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1Dec 5, 2023
Board of County CommissionersR65Regular businessApproved
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Approved Staff’s recommendation including that the County and the City would cooperate to apply for a septic to sewer grant in advance of the $2,000,000.00 payment.
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Ron OakleyVice Chair
Now we're gonna move to um I believe we're gonna take R sixty five first, is that right?
Mike Carballa
Yes, sir.
Ron OakleyVice Chair
Okay.
Mike Carballa
Sonia, can I get R sixty-five up, please?
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Perfect.
Mike Carballa
Okay, Mr. Chairman, members of the board, uh Mike Carbala, County Administrator. Um R sixty five is a is really a joint initiative to help the city of Newport Ritchie and and County to a certain extent to uh redevelop a blighted area. Uh we we refer to it as as the town and country area, uh but it's more of a funding partnership, and so item R sixty-five is is Uh codifies through an interlocal agreement a a funding initiative to assist with this. So
the county uh is agreeing to put up two million dollars of county general funds uh as a contribution towards water and sewer infrastructure in the area. Uh in the past, you may have recalled that there were uh Habitat for Humanity uh lots that were going up for sale, and part of the part of the issue with Developing the area was there were no utilities. There were also some stormwater and and and other infrastructure issues. So in return, uh the city would not only um annex the areas, take and assume control of the roads, but they would also
contribute uh at least one and a half million dollars towards other infrastructure improvements, such as roads, stormwater, trees, street lights, I think even some park facilities in there. Uh so during uh The fiscal year 23 budget discussions and and starting back uh to a joint city-county workshop, uh the the uh county commission uh put two million dollars into the FY23 budget as a contribution to this effort. And so what's before you today are are two interlocal agreements, and the first, which
is R65, and I would like for you to to take that action first because if you uh if that doesn't Go forward, then in which case I would ask to withdraw R64 because the city would probably not annex without the contribution. I'll let them speak to that, of course, if I'm wrong on that. So we brought that to the board on uh September 19th. Uh the board subsequently had a lot of discussion about it. There were some questions on funding, other funding sources. Uh I know there was some meetings that were requested with the city and board members, and so uh We were
asked to bring it back to 12.5. And so that's what we're doing with that. This is just a quick visual aid so you can see where the area is. The high areas highlighted in yellow are uh city of Newport Ritchie city limits. These are in the city of Newport Ritchie. The area highlighted in red is the subject area, and so it would include the roads, the properties in there would be annexed into the city, and the county would make a contribution of two million dollars under the current. Situation to fund infrastructure improvements and uh namely water and sewer. And
with that, um I that's really all I have in terms of a formal discussion on it. I can bring, I'd like to bring up the city manager Debbie Manns, who could probably tell you a little more detail, uh, Mr. Chair, uh, about what what they intend to do with the area. All right.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, members of the commission. I don't travel alone. Ha ha. I brought with me uh the mayor, the deputy mayor, and councilman Peters to represent this agenda item. Um this afternoon, in large part driven by the fact that this is a very important project to the city of Newport Ritchie, in spite of the fact that it is property that is located in the county. Um it is as was indicated by the
county administrator. an enclave Which represents 185 residential lots, basically a four-block area. If you don't think you're spending money on the property now You are You have ordinance-related issues which may or may not be being addressed. Um but you do generate on an average eight hundred and fifty calls
per year between your police and your fire service. for a four block area, a hundred and eighty-five lots. This is more than an eyesore. This is an area that has been allowed to deteriorate to a condition. that it just defies human habitation. The city is committed, and we stand before you today as a committed community. in our civil
Responsibility And when we started having discussions about this problem. That was two thousand eighteen. It is now two thousand twenty-three and the only thing we have is further deterioration. At that time the city was committed to spending one point five million. We no longer can achieve. what we obligated to do for one point five million. We
know it will cost us more. We know the sanitary sewer That you committed to Fund Will no longer cost two million dollars just because of the escalation. of costs that have ensued over the last few years. We are willing and stand before you willing to make that additional investment. because the water table is so high there. There's
no no possible means by which to establish appropriate housing in that area without the benefit of the establishment of appropriate infrastructure. That's the first step. And we believe it needs to be tended to. With that, I'll allow the elected officials, if they have words, Um to add them to my plea to you for your consideration to go forward with the partnership that I believe
was negotiated in good faith. And allow you to join me in our responsibility for um civic responsibility.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
Chopper Davis. Um I just want to add one thing that's is that um only if you know or in the know do you know that this is not in the city. Because it's so surrounded by uh um the city is in itself, everybody says, Why don't you take care of it? Why don't you take care of it? And they've said that for years to me, and I have to explain the situation. This is just one of the areas that we have, but this is a real important area to straighten up, also with all the commercial in the in that area. So we're looking for your support. Like we said, it'll probably cost us at least two million
when it's all said and done, maybe even more.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Okay.
Unidentified speakerVoice E
So um good afternoon. It's Mike Peters. Um this area of the city is uh as you saw from the map is on toward the westernmost portion of our city, but it it does lie in a strategic area around um it's just just north of the Southgate Shopping Center, which is one of our largest taxpayers. And um th w the the the that area has and just the nature of the area and the nature
of folks that attracts, you know, that fil they filter in and out some of the commercial properties there that has caused the city to to pay closer attention on policing and other activities uh to to make our our uh residents and the visitors there, the shopping centers and the other commercial areas uh safe. And um it's it it just w you know as you know we have a large CRA area in the cities it's it's the bulk of the city. And
um and we're trying to redevelop and improve various parts of the city. But but this, you know, you say, well, why would we take this one area on, right, when it's not in the city. Uh we just think it it is such a level that needs to be brought up that uh it you know you tackle the worst first, right? And um we think that this is a a great opportunity for you to partner with us. Um I know that's always it's always about the money, right? Where are you gonna find the money? Well in in this case, you know, you
have an opportunity to get this property taken care of for half the cost. and and with with without the um uh the expenditure and not have to follow through and watch it and get it done and monitor it and work it through it, we're willing to take that on um as we think it's such such important. So we appreciate your consideration, greatly appreciate the the strong working relationship your your um administrator and your former administrator has with our city manager on this project and We we greatly
appreciate uh your consideration.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
If you'll allow me, Mr. Chairman, I have one additional comment. I did take note of the fact that in your agenda the effective date of the agreement is noted as October first, two thousand twenty-three. If you determine that it's appropriate to go forward with an agreement. The effective date should be October first of two thousand twenty-four.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Okay.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Thank you.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
And finally, uh thank you commissioners. Um this is this is a a win-win for both the citizens of New Port Richey Pasco County. This is an area that's been applied to for a very long time, as you know. Um and we really would like your help in uh putting this together and revitalizing the area. As you know, it does butt up to US 192, which we talk a lot about revitalizing that area so this would be part of it also. So like I said, um we'd appreciate your consideration and we look forward to working with you.
Ron OakleyVice Chair
Okay.
Jack MarianoChair
Mr. Chairman Mariano. Mr. Mariano? Got a few questions. Okay. What percentage of the city is uh is uh on the C R A?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Actually probably between eighty five and ninety percent of the city is designated. as blighted
Jack MarianoChair
Okay. Um and when you say a good faith agreement you had with a previous administrator, um Two things happened in negotiations with that.
Actually, before even Habitat was there, we had like all sorts of code violations, et cetera. Right. So the couple of landowners that came to me, actually met in Cracker Barrel and talked about You gotta get code enforcement off our backs. I says well there's nothing I can do about code enforcement. You gotta meet the code. Or they're gonna keep on coming after you. I says you may want to reach out actually I reach out to Hab uh Cobus Abelgren from Habitat. And I said, Colbus, you might want to go talk to these folks. Maybe they w wanna sell, maybe we can do some type of redevelopment project. He w Cobus went in there and bought seventy-one,
got the rights to buy seventy-one parcels. of which the County Commission stepped up Because it's such a low level area, it floods out. Um you gotta raise up the structures that we did build out there. They had to um Go try to try to work something out. We couldn't do C D B G funding. 'Cause it wouldn't work for affordable housing because of the elevation. Um I said from the get-go, what we need to do in that whole property, all the way from Bracker Bell all the way up is we've got to raise the structure, raise the land up. We actually had to bring we brought in I think eight
truckloads of fill from Timber Oaks to come in there just to build those four houses on the back of our on Van Doren. By the way, the agenda and says a couple of different names, it's Van Doren on the road. Um So we did all that. Um And there was one time we had a meeting we had Um Habitat was there? Uh Debbie Mans was there, as fur former city council person was there. Um We had uh USA water that was there. Um U
S water was there. US Water had agreed to do the engineering for us, no charge. Uh did that in the Gulf Harb Gulf Harbor's meeting, Woodlands meeting we had, said he'd do the same thing. I asked Debbie and the councilman if they would go to the aboard and see if they would waive the impact fee because part of the $1.9 million number was their impact fee to reimburse the sewer. I says, Well why g are we gonna go spend one point nine million dollars and three hundred is gonna go into your pocket for the for the for the facility? Now It
kinda like broke down from there. Nothing much happened from there, other than we cleaned it out probably one more time. And a lot of those people that we cleaned out And I think the calls well we can talk about that, but the calls have gone way down. A lot of those people down at Oldsner now and you've probably seen the emails about Green Key, et cetera. Uh from one of our Uh very prominent people. and they've moved down there and cities battling to try to to g to get rid of 'em now. So it kicks the can down the road a little bit, but One of their commissioners, uh Councilman, mentioned the meeting and it
makes a lot of sense to me. When we have a developer coming in, right, we have the developer build the infrastructure to us. in infrastructure for us and they give it to our water system. And solar system.
their system that's sitting there has been sitting there for a while. They could have extended for many, many years, right? It's their service here. They could have extended that pipe out. They decided not to. Why? You'd have to go to a previous council to go figure it out. But it's their service area. We protect our enterprise. We don't wanna We don't spend money. Outside our enterprise and and the enterprise got it reimbursed the way it's all bonded out. Why and this is asked by their councilman, why would we expect the county
Service area. Why would we do that? We should do that. We should put the charges in Get re collected reimbursed. I'm mad in the city now. They should be collecting their fees they need to collect to go put the sewer in. Why are we doing it? Now the other thing is Way back when, when we had some elected officials from the state house, matter of fact the appropriations chair Um There now we talked about let's go ask for money. Let's go get septic to sewer. And also right now, resiliency money. Because if
you just go put the sewer lines in there, you get these elevated homes. You can have the homes like Habitat right now, they got the homes that are out there on a one good flood, one good rain. The yards are flooded out, the kids can't even play in the yards. So do I really want to go do it this way and just go put the sewer lines in? you're still not gonna solve the problem. But again, it's their service area. They could have done it, they should have done it. Why are we spending our money? If you want to spend something to help the city out, I say let's go and spend the money like we talked about Green Key. The road's
in horrible shape. It takes them out to the county park It'll improve that road. They approve two boat ramps that you can't get to and you have issues parking up and down. If you want to help the city out, let's go that way because there's a county benefit. This here is their service area in their enterprise. It doesn't make sense why we do it.
Kathryn Starkey
Um so this is not my district, uh but it is my neighborhood since I live in Gulf Harbors. and I shop at this public's all the time and I see what this very, very blighted area does to the community. Um The publics has and and these stores have to hire security guards. To keep the drug deals from going down in the parking lot. Um And um I recall
I don't know, are we in the hundreds of drug overdoses that have happened on these streets?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Actually, we have the manager from the Southgate Shopping Center in attendance if you'd care for him to speak.
Kathryn Starkey
Yeah, I I I I would. Um so
I think I think that we have an opportunity here to partner with the city to clean up the most blighted area. in that area and it's a good deal. And you know, at first I I I I was upset And I think Jack was too in Habitat. You know, they offered us back our lots and we didn't take it. I would have ta taken them. So they s they sold them and Um at but at the end of the day. It doesn't really matter to me. Um
who is building the uh uh the new homes in this community. I will say one thing, I would put a restriction, no trailers. homes that lift lift up the community. But I would ask our staff, how much would it is it how much does a new road cost per mile? I mean, I think if we came in here when we do our PVAS, our new program and we pay for those roads to be fixed, 'cause they're some of the worst in the county. Those roads.
They if we go if we go by um a criteria of s you know, how bad the road is. These are gonna be right up there. So how much is a road? to redo a road, because this is gonna be full depth reclamation.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
Yes, yes. So so it's it's supposed to talk about two million bytes if you have to build on the base.
Kathryn Starkey
So so it's kind of a wash in a way. We're giving two million dollars to put in that's gonna put in the infrastructure, right? The water and sewer. And then they're gonna pay for the roads to get fixed. So This way. It's two million dollars either getting the roads fixed or two million dollars getting the water utilities in and you start to clean up a neighborhood. So You know, be be careful. And well I I would love to hear from the Southgate manager who
also lives there. And I w I wanna correct you. And I know I know Debbie lives there too in the in the area. So
Ron OakleyVice Chair
Just a minute. Um So are y'all going to if we do this Are y'all going to build that land up?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Yes, that is part of the plan. It would have to be built up as as Commissioner Mariano indicated.
Kathryn Starkey
I I would also say that uh and talking a septic to sewer. Um Well we're gonna b we're gonna be put this are gonna come off the septic, right? I think that's a good thing.
This is polluting the water around it when it rains heavy, so and the bayou there and and while you're looking at that map, I hope one day we're gonna be talking about pretty soon this waste this water treatment facility, 'cause that's gotta get out of there too. But Um anyway I Mr. Mariano. Yeah.
Jack MarianoChair
To go back to years ago when I first got elected, that place should flood all the time. the road from the Southgate Plaza going up was concave. All the water would sit in there. When the wood water would finally build out, it would flood. It was a Marine that used to come in all the time. Um And God bless me passed away. But he lived in one of the homes and he would get flooded all the time. It go in under his house, under the trailer, Mold, whatever. I mean it was just a sad, sad thing. So when I when I say health wise it's not good. We
worked to do our road. We paved the road all the way from the the South Gate all the way up to Gulf Drive. We cleaned out the ditch. And by making the road pitched, the road went into the ditch, it went up. We then work with the city. City was great bringing it all the way down to to Van Doren. Uh it got stuck there.
uh condos apartments across the way to get them to participate and then we finished it off. Tropical storm Debbie. Debbie. I think it's when uh f Little uh fifty four a little went out.
That same storm I was down there that night 'cause I used to have a loop going all the way down. That road was dry as a bone. That neighbor was dry as a bone. That water flows out. So the water you can make it flow. The flooding is not the big issue other than the land, as you just mentioned. I'm glad you mentioned it. If you sit it down low and it needs to go up five feet, it's a lot of fill. Frankly, If we could have set this up way ahead of time and kind of worked something together, There's a lot of filletimbroaks that we could probably use. that we did use that
may be applicable to It will be a very very low source rather than the trucking to get it down there to raise it all up. But if you don't raise it up, you create a slum. Now the wastewater treatment plan. They wanted to they applied to increase the amount of sewage they could actually dump into the cross bayou. I've got many calls from the cross-bayou people that smell the sewage water going in there. I've seen the reports where the water goes in there and it's killed the fish from around there and the w and the wild left that's in the water. So to put more residential development on their sewer
system, which can't handle it now. And you heard K Kelly Mothershed came before us at our workshop meeting that she she would like to help s help on that. If you really want to make this project go and be the best way to spend the public dollar, Go get resiliency money. Go get septic to sewer money. It's out there. You heard Walton Simpson talk about it. We went to see him. That money's out there. Why go spend the money our own money when we can go get the federal money or the state money. Let's do that first and improve it. Let's get the
groundwork set and then we can go work on improving it. But right now To go just build out this service here? It doesn't make sense.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Mr. Oakley, with all due respect, if you'd allow me to respond, I'm willing to host a discussion about the wastewater treatment plant at any time. I'm not certain perhaps that now's the best time. Um but I do know that we did not apply to expand the amount of discharge into the bayou. That is not factual information. Um I will though at any point talk about the wastewater treatment plant and our future plans
for that facility. The e but we do have appropriate capacity To handle the development. and the redevelopment. of the town and country villas area formerly referred to as the leisure lane Van Doren area and even more residential development in that area. We've had all of our calculations done by
the engineers and we're certain of that fact. So to represent something different than that is just not true.
Ron OakleyVice Chair
Ms. Whiteman. Thanks, Chair.
Seth Weightman
Maybe to me. I guess it could be a tradition in the agreement. To Commissioner Mariano's points about applying and Commissioner Starkey brings this up quite often about applying for funds for Well it be septic to sewer or something. Uh restore iPhones, what have you Is that We have a condition that the city maybe we can use our county's grant department and you know as a as partnership If we approve the money today, But then We
need you know, we see measurable Um uh applications for grant funding. If we capture that funding then that's just money that, you know we could bring back to the county and not spend the kind of offset dollar for dollar but We kick it off with a two million dollar base. And we know it's there, and then try to capture uh federal money or state money that might be out there. It could be a good exercise for our newly formed. Grant writing department and working with the city. Um But some
something needs to happen here to Commissioner Starkey's points. But if there's an ability to to capture money that our taxpayers have already spent, we bring it here, we don't have to spend our full two million. I I think that's a that's a win. Just just a thought.
Kathryn Starkey
Well there would be at least a year. uh of time to apply for the grant and um And so you know I I personally think it's important for us when we negotiate and we do a deal with the city. Any city. That we're going to do. We shouldn't back out of it. There are so many positives to cleaning up this neighborhood. And and I say again in my opinion Um it's a bit of a wash because now they're gonna be responsible to To
build those fix those roads. Not us. This is y you heard the community member come who's lives around there. Um And I'd like to hear from the public's manager or the Southgate manager, whichever that that I got I I'm just wondering, is this the worst neighborhood in your city? Is this the slum of your city?
It is. Yes.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Um as a form of it's a negative deterrent to our economic growth. Um but it's county property. It just happens to be surrounded by cities.
Kathryn Starkey
Right. Right. But Uh as the one councilman
Unidentified speakerVoice B
was saying
Kathryn Starkey
residents don't really realize that.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
They don't realize that and our number one taxpayer in the city is the Southgate Shopping Center. So is it okay if we hear from the
Ron OakleyVice Chair
businessman? Is it also um Part of the part of the ask is Is that land gonna be built up?
Kathryn Starkey
It is yes.
Ron OakleyVice Chair
So that's part of that two million dollars.
Kathryn Starkey
Do you wanna mention what so we're gonna put in the if some of the infrastructure and you wanna mention what you're gonna be putting in? Sure. Just to go over that again. Yeah.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
As part of the city's commitment um to the project. We would be establishing um that the sewer impact fee would be waived for the parcels that will be redeveloped. We'd establish a sidewalk system, we would install a roadway system, street lights, a neighborhood park and stormwater improvements.
Ron OakleyVice Chair
And does that include um houses built at a certain elevation?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Yes, it does. And that would be
Kathryn Starkey
Yes. And can we is is it legal and uh do we have the ability to say no mobile homes?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
We are passing an ordinance in the city where that would be precluded from being built. Okay.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
It becomes their zoning authority.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
For that zoning classification.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Okay.
Jack MarianoChair
Mr. Chairman Mariano. So Debbie. Why haven't you guys applied for a septic to sewer grant or a resiliency grant?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
We have applied for a grant. We were denied for the grant. So we've only applied for one grant. Um and right now you're the owner of the property. And you'll continue to be the owner of the property until October of twenty-four. So we're hopeful that maybe we can work with you and you'll apply for some grants before the city takes over the property, if that's the wishes of the group.
Jack MarianoChair
But is your service here, wouldn't it be under your realm to to go after a grant for the septic to sewer?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Um, we probably could have went on it together.
Jack MarianoChair
Well, what do you say we do that now?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Absolutely. That's the best thing to do.
Jack MarianoChair
All right. And so on this exhibit C we have in front of us, it says total cost of impact fee to be charged or to be or to be forgiven. So we can say that the fees will be forgiven?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
That's correct.
Jack MarianoChair
And to what elevation are you gonna build the homes to? Is it gonna be ground level or they're gonna be have to elevate it up?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
It's gonna they'll
Kathryn Starkey
be elevated up. 'Cause that's the law. I mean it's in the I mean it's the FEMA rule. So
Jack MarianoChair
And again you el you've elevated up when the waters come in, like as you see right along here? That water that's right there is in the yards. Um
That's right. It's so low that's not a good thing. one good rain, the kids don't have a place to go play. You elevate the house up, the house is safe.
Kathryn Starkey
Oh, nice. Yeah. Okay.
Jack MarianoChair
It's not a question of elevating the house to be safe. It's elevating the ground. If you have the ground if it's on the
Ron OakleyVice Chair
low ground they flat out. Does it include the ground being raised also in this agreement?
Kathryn Starkey
Mm-hmm.
Ron OakleyVice Chair
How high?
Kathryn Starkey
Yeah. Jack, most of Gulf Harbors is at six to eight feet. So I mean and that's a very dis desirable place to live. The houses have to be uh any new house the m Bottom floor has to be about thirteen, but my my elevation is on my new lot is eight. It's not precluding me from building a house on there. So um my pool You know, I've never had water in my pool. I mean, I've never had the storm come up to my
yard yet. So Uh you know, that happens but exactly but it's it's very important they get it they quickly get off of the septic in my opinion. And we clean up that neighborhood. Can we hear from the the South Gate manager?
Ron OakleyVice Chair
Uh yes, we can.
Jim Hanson
Certainly you got things to work out, there's no question. My name is uh Jim Hanson. I'm the regional project manager for Wilbright Development. We are the managing partner at uh Southgate Shopping Center. Okay. Uh it was interesting and I won't take too much time. I I hear's a lot of conversation here that I would love to be in the middle of, but uh No thank you.
When I did due diligence on this property before we purchased it, um It was very interesting and entertaining, so to say, on a negative side. First let me tell you I'm an ex cop. Oh and I look at things a lot differently when I look at properties. And this kind of bothered me a little bit because as you say, uh, you know, you you see things going on. And we saw it. Um And we can't control it. We didn't know where it was coming from until after we bought it. And we watched
it. We hired the police department, we hired security, we spent a lot of money. We spent a lot of money every year for that purpose to help reduce if we can um some of the people that come there. I can certainly tell you that the police departments have have been great. The cops are great over there. Everybody that responds is very good to work with. But you can't do that. Always catch people. And it wasn't too long ago, um, following up on what you said, Flying
a drone taking pictures for our partners And I'm watching a young lady on a motorbike. Driving from the leisure area, we'll call it, into the parking lot, over to the bank. Basket had something in it. Went back, it was empty. It happened four or five times, and I called security. And they said, Yeah, we've been watching her. Apparently after a short time afterwards and doesn't really need to get into it, he got a hold of the police department they talked about, and it I believe the police department or the sheriff's
department, I don't know who did it, and arrested some people. But they're still here. When the publix has to increase the security Uh Uh TJ Maxx has, Burlington Code has. It's difficult. You know, for them to say Geez, what are you guys doing about it? Well, The police department can only do so much.
Unidentified speakerVoice F
Yeah.
Jim Hanson
There's there's only so much anybody can do. You have have a start and a finish no matter what we do. Um We started here at the shopping center. Fortunately we worked with Debbie Manns and her team to make sure we improved the center. uh trying to follow the guidelines that they do their improvement on nineteen. And uh you know, we still see that exposure. We hate to see it to the customers that are coming there that aren't happy with it. And they mention it and they talk about it.
Unidentified speakerVoice G
Yeah.
Jim Hanson
Uh as you probably heard. I know that Debbie Manns has heard. So it is difficult. I I can tell you that and I hope that something can be resolved. Uh, because like I say, you gotta start. If you don't start, you'll never get to the end and it'll never change. And uh Flooding. Let's we have other centers that I work at that experience flooding. You may be lucky this year, might be lucky for the next five years, but you may end up having water in your pool someday. There's nothing you can do about it.
Kathryn Starkey
Better my pool than my house.
Jim Hanson
There you
Kathryn Starkey
go.
Jim Hanson
So I don't know what else I can add. I know that uh everybody's trying and uh It's a tough area. My property manager won't go down that street anymore. Yeah. I'm
Kathryn Starkey
not supposed to but I still think.
Jim Hanson
We do because l listen, we want to try to figure out what's going on. Because I have partners that not my partners, I don't own it. We have to answer the people. We have to try to explain what's happening. And I know that uh Debbie Manns has talked with our executive vice president. Give it helpful, they try to work. But him here to, you know, tell you what Debbie's saying or what you're saying and everybody knows A start and a finish. Till you start it, you can't finish it, the problem won't go away.
Kathryn Starkey
Yeah, and we have some new families that have moved in on those habitat homes and they're on their way to uh self sufficiency, you know, building equity in their new home. But then your neighbors, you know, they have the sofas out in front and they're passed out on drugs. Oh yeah. Uh or or their their trailers burning down 'cause they had a lab in it or something. So
Jim Hanson
Well just to give you this last one is that we had to call the police department not too long ago because there was a young lady that was holding on to a column. With an ankle bracelet. Having withdrawals.
Kathryn Starkey
Oh.
Jim Hanson
Yeah. True story.
Kathryn Starkey
So
I think I can make a motion. Yeah, I would
I would move to approve the deal. Excuse me.
Gary Bradford
I'm an ex cop too.
Jim Hanson
Good for you, thank you.
Gary Bradford
I know exactly what you're talking about. But uh so let's get this done.
Kathryn Starkey
Um so I want to make sure we um capture in the motion. There's two there's two motions that have to occur, right? So let me ask the county attorney um where is it appropriate to add the additions that we talked about. You know, one I want to be sure we don't put mobile homes. Mobile homes are excluded, which they're gonna put in their ordinance. Um but until until it gets to them. It's on us, I think. We have a year to protect ourselves. And the other is to work together. towards
applying for grants for septic to sewer.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
So
You have executed interlocal agreements. Um if you wish to modify the interlocal agreements and send them back to the city for signature. Um I would say that we can craft language in the neighbor neighborhood improvements uh interlocal agreement. Um Two to add language
about To try and add language that indicates that this two million dollars would not supplant further grants. Um
Um as for the As for the mobile home issue, that would be more appropriate in the annexation agreement.
Kathryn Starkey
That's the
Unidentified speakerVoice D
second one.
Kathryn Starkey
Okay. Okay. So um what he said.
Um so I I move to uh approve R sixty-four. With the 65 with the uh agreement that we will work on a gr we'll try for a grant for septic.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
That's sixty five. For sixty sixty-five it would be that the county and the and the city will cooperate to apply for Uh a septic sewer grant. Um In advance of the two million dollar payment.
Kathryn Starkey
Okay, so that's my first motion. Then I'll make a motion on the annexation. Okay. We have
Unidentified speakerVoice H
four seconds.
Jack MarianoChair
More d more discussion.
Kathryn Starkey
Did someone second it? Yeah, we have we have
Jack MarianoChair
second. They want to second it.
Kathryn Starkey
Gary seconded it. Okay.
Ron OakleyVice Chair
Um Gary's second.
Jack MarianoChair
Yeah.
Ron OakleyVice Chair
So I got a motion to second. All those in favor?
Jack MarianoChair
What discussion? Discussion. Just one quick mention. So I t I talked about a Uh report that was done. This is done by the City of New Port Richey Water Discharge Study, one year summer report, July twenty twenty. Are you familiar with that report?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
I don't know what report you have now. I do not.
Jack MarianoChair
Okay.
Kathryn Starkey
I I I don't think that's relevant to this.
Jack MarianoChair
Oh it
Kathryn Starkey
is.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
From nineteen twenty one.
Jack MarianoChair
Twenty twenty
one.
Tim Driscoll
Yeah.
Kathryn Starkey
I I I remember that. There was treated w there was a couple times when treated water. Good. was um
I think it or
Jack MarianoChair
I
want
everyone to get a copy of
this
yet so when something comes back to us you'll see it. Um and I want Stab to take a look at it. David L, are you familiar with the report?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Let me
Kathryn Starkey
let
Unidentified speakerVoice B
me say that.
Kathryn Starkey
There's a couple of things that have improved at that water treatment facility. So uh one was when we uh so Gulf Harbors goes you know we're we're fifty percent in that facility or forty-five percent or something.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Forty-nine percent.
Kathryn Starkey
Forty-nine percent in that water treatment facility. Gulf Harbors was having a lot of saltwater intrusion into our u uh utility system and was really causing a big problem in that facility. So um I was able to secure millions of dollars from the legislature and they came in and they sleeved all the pipes. I think we're done. Um sleeved all the pipes in Gulf Harbors, which has greatly improved the functioning
ability of that Water treatment facility. And um and that part of the reason they had to let water out was all the salt water that was swamping them. So Um so that that has made improvements in that facility and given them more capacity. I still think we need to move that off. But that doesn't mean we need a moratorium of growth in the in the in that area, in my opinion. Um Which is kinda what You're saying don't add any more business to the facility, which is ours as
well?
Jack MarianoChair
I'm saying we should fix what we have. I'm I'm saying we should go for I mean, I think if if if you're gonna make a motion about septic sewers you should do one for the wastewater treatment plant too. We should be going after that for those funds.
Kathryn Starkey
And
Jack MarianoChair
I I think that is part
Kathryn Starkey
I've I've had this discussion with the administrator and I think that is one of the big big I think they're already working on it and talking about it Is um Another great project to work on together is moving that that off of the water. And I I think that'll be a slam dump. Yeah. Yeah.
Ron OakleyVice Chair
Now's the time to do it. So I have a motion and second. All those in favor say aye.
Kathryn Starkey
Aye. Aye.
Ron OakleyVice Chair
Aye. All opposed like that? Okay, on R six.
Kathryn Starkey
On R sixty five in the Annex agreement. I don't know how I have it backwards. In the annex agreement, I move that we um restrict restrict the ability to put it.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
You move to approve the annex the interlocal agreement on annexation, adding an additional paragraph which uh the city commits that it will take rezoning efforts to prohibit mobile homes in this area. Okay.
Kathryn Starkey
And
Kathryn Starkey
changing the effective date to October twenty four. And the change the effective date to October one at twenty four.
Jack MarianoChair
Yeah. What about elevations? Yeah, we agree.
Kathryn Starkey
Well they have to, that's the FEMA code.
Jack MarianoChair
That just raises the structure. I'm talking about the ground.
Kathryn Starkey
I don't know uh I don't know what the law is on raising the fill in the land. I think that's a swift is that a swift lead permit? I that's not as important to me. Um As well. As uh to you. Like I said, my my house is at my lot is at eight five in Gulf Harbors. My new one, my current one's at six five. So above elevation, what are these?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
We have not done any topography yet on the site. So I can't tell
Kathryn Starkey
you. But you can't raise those lots up to thirteen. No, they're probably about seven though. Maybe six. Well I would think the builder would wanna Do that. I don't know I don't know how we pick a number today of what you have to raise your lot to.
Jack MarianoChair
No
Kathryn Starkey
yeah. Yeah.
Ron OakleyVice Chair
Okay. Is that your motion?
Kathryn Starkey
Yep.
Ron OakleyVice Chair
I need a second.
Gary Bradford
One second.
Ron OakleyVice Chair
I got a motion and a second. Um all those in favor say aye.
Gary Bradford
Aye.
Ron OakleyVice Chair
All opposed? No. One day. So motion passed four to one. Okay. That's it.
Kathryn Starkey
All right. All right. Well let's hope this is the first of many deals we do together.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Thank you. We look forward to working with you.
Ron OakleyVice Chair
Yeah, thank you.
Now we move to uh public items.
Kathryn Starkey
Okay, so where was I missing it?

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