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1. 1Feb 8, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP40Public hearingApproved

   Approved minutes

   Approved Staff’s recommendation.

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   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   27:56Forty. Is the companion item. To the one you just heard. On consent.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   28:05And Hi, good afternoon. Wesley Hanks from Real Property and Planning. This is an agreement for exchange of real property. of Gateway Drive requested by MHC Forest Lake Estates Expansion LLC.

   28:24The developer is seeking approvals to develop its property and has proposed constructing a new alignment to connect CR-54 to Frontier Drive. which then connects to Marks Avenue. And upon completion of the frontier drive expansion. to exchange the newly constructed frontier drive extension. with the gateway drive parcels. This is a sketch of the proposed land exchange from the developer. Along the western edge of the property is the

   28:54proposed New Frontier Drive extension. The current alignment is south from County Road 54. where it then curves to the east along the southern boundary of the parcel and connects to Frontier Drive. The eastern edge of the parcel depicts the closure of Gateway Drive. The Pasco County. Owned parcels of Gateway Drive are to be conveyed to the developer. And on the western side is the frontier drive extension

   29:24that MHC will grant to the to Pasco County. A few key points to consider are MHC to obtain easement releases or terminate the agreement. The Frontier Drive extension is subject to site plan review. The new road is to be built by MHC. and Gateway Drive to be closed only after the new road is open. The team recommends approval. Thank you.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   29:53Okay. Um Do you wanna applicate? I know the applicant's here, but do you want to see if someone is here to object to this?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   30:04Madam Chair, Clark, Hobby, Hobby and Hobby, PA 109 North Brush Street, Tempo, Florida, have been sworn. I think we have a couple of residents that wanna speak in favor of it. I just was gonna say very briefly, uh The s land swap agreement that you see on the agenda now was a product of a community meeting that we had almost two years ago before COVID started. Commissioner Oakley was present that night and the residents all told us that they really were in favor of creating a system that

   30:34would create the possibility For a better view shed into their rural lots south of the project. And that's what this land swap is all about. We've spent a bunch of time and money working with the neighbors. And the only question after today is whether we can get the consent from the last few people uh who are holdouts. And I'm hoping after today's vote that you've already taken on the rezoning. that they will come along. If they don't, we will we won't be able to finish the land swap

   31:04and we'll have, you know, the the road system more or less as it is today. Anyway, thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   31:14So but you can move forward with a rezoning that was just approved with or without

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   31:19that's right. We set it up both ways in case because we realized about a year and a half ago that we had to get these private consent. So we set it up so it could work either way.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   31:27Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   31:28Thank you.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   31:29Um Mr. Steinsnyder, just to clarify the uh public notice on this, uh the the notice that I have was actually for and then there was a subsequent resolution that it was adopted by the board. So how does that resolution cover this meeting?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   31:51Mr. Shemple, I have the notice from the newspaper that we ran twice and it was continued last time. Seth We

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   31:59The continuance last time it wasn't noted on my sheet, so maybe we should use it on the back. Okay. So the uh this was continued from the January eleventh meeting to this date and time. Correct.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   32:12Okay.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   32:14So the notice was published uh for

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   32:21For f it was it was published for the January uh hearing and then at the January hearing it was continued to today.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   32:30So it was published in the uh December twenty sixth and January second, twenty two editions of the Tampa Bay Times to be heard on the eleventh and continued to the That's right. Okay. Just clarifying the record. I understand.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   32:43And I have a question on that to the county administrator. Shouldn't that be in under our notes here? Shouldn't it say continued from? I mean we used to do that. So two of these now don't have that today in our agenda. But seems to me we used to have that record as well. That it was continued from Okay, so do we have anyone uh wishing to speak to this item today?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   33:07This is item P forty and I do not have anyone on my list.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   33:10Here

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   33:11comes somebody.

   Ron Oakley

   33:13I'd like to speak also.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   33:14Okay. Hi, I'm Joanne Hopper. I live in Forest Excuse me, Frontier Drive Acres, which is affected by We need your um address for the [address removed]. Um, I want to thank you all for letting me speak. And uh I'm interested in having the new road adopted. And the reason is because when you add 120 new homes,

   33:44that is going to affect the ability of people to get in and out of the property, their own properties. So um there are 50 Three lots in Frontier Acres, and of those 52 homes are occupied, and one home is going to be built. Um the remaining thirty-seven there are only fifteen people. having the deeds of right of passage. The remaining thirty seven residents have a prescriptive

   34:14right of passage in accordance with Florida law considering the access to be a prescripted easement after twenty years. The present access road is through the middle of Forest Lake Mobile Home. They have generously offered us a new access road on their property to ease the burden of the traffic. Forest Lake is a retirement community. The residents of Frontier Acres are mostly working. And therefore that will cause a a real um

   34:45as it is now when be when the um f winter residents come back, I mean it really is difficult to get out. And you add 120 more, it's gonna really make it difficult. Um In addition to this, I believe that when a home does come up for sale in the development, and they realize when they're selling this home that the people who are looking at it have to go through a mobile home park and find the amount

   35:15of traffic involved, that it would decrease their desire to buy the property and therefore decrease eventually the value of the homes there, which of course will decrease the taxes that you all receive. So um we would really appreciate it if you would be giving us some consideration to adopt the part of the plan that they have to um put the road on the west side or the east side of it. And um I

   35:47think there was more here. Oh, and also said the deed of passage owners. Are required to maintain this access. And that deed of passage owners have not maintained the access of this property for 20 years, but the non-deed passage holders have, fixing the holes in the road and mowing it right away. A non-owner has I am requesting that since the majority of the users of the present road would like to have um

   36:17separate access to our homes. And there are 15 that have the deed of access, but only six are the people who are not willing to sign. it over. um the development. Then we want to see if Time for me to go. Thank you very much. Well good job.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   36:33Very good job. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. Is there anyone else wishing to speak to this item? Please come up uh name and address for the record, please.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   36:44My name is Bob Oris, O-R-O-S as in Sam, Z as in Zebra. I live at [address removed]. And the meeting two years ago, Mr. Oakley was at the Neighborhood asked me to speak for them. Um and so over the last two years, many arduous discussions. Ам, и вив із тмсь.

   37:09Gotten the a Democratic vote that would agree with this because the bottom 37, which don't have the deeds that have to be signed over, 35 of those 37. want it badly. Several of those people are here right now. On the top side of the 15, they have the deeds, they basically have the bottom half captive. Because unless they sign, it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks. So my approach was to go to all of them and say. You

   37:40know, don't we have an American flag? I mean, don't we think about things what's best for all of us? Don't we think about what Everyone wants. I understand if it's at 51%. But this is that. Ninety percent.

   Lisa Moretti

   37:53Mm.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   37:54Okay, but still these six that won't sign. are have odd reasons. I'll give you some. The lights will shine in our windows differently. It will be unsafe for us to pull out from where we are. Which was a whole nother discussion how that means. We hear that I like watching traffic drive by my house.

   38:21You are running me, running for county commissioner or The mayor of Zephyrhills. Both untrue, severely untrue, no offense. Um, these are the things that have come back as reasons why they would not sign. these deeds. And then lastly, two of 'em said, Waived $10,000 or $15,000 in front of us from this billion dollar company. And we'll consider it. All

   38:53of them are unacceptable in the way I think, ethically, and every other way. All right. Um I'm happy to have another minute. Yeah, another minute. But I believe, I firmly believe that that equity has been over backwards. to try to please the neighborhood and the six people Strong six people, there's a couple that are being pulled one way or another, but the strong six people that don't want to are illogical. They're not considering anybody else. And these guys have

   39:23been good. These guys have really tried to make it a win-win by saying, let's combine them together. Let's move you over here with the road. You'll have your own access. It'll look better. The road will be in repair as opposed to disrepair. There there really should be a no-brainer. It's almost ridiculous to have to L road go by the wayside, the new road, because six people are holding fifty three captive. So I don't know if there's anything I can do. I

   39:53have three seconds, gladly be out.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   39:56Thank you very much. I appreciate everything you guys maybe now with these approvals maybe they'll see the light. So let's hope. Um is there anyone else that wants to speak to this? Is there anyone on WebEx?

   Ron Oakley

   40:08No.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   40:08Commissioner Oakley?

   Ron Oakley

   40:10Yes. Um I met with Bob and also Gordon Hyde. in those community meetings and Mr. Hobby from two years ago, and we had several of those meetings, even one in the street one time. With all the neighbors and we work Very hard to try to meet the needs of everybody. And it finally was determined that we'd do this road on the west side of the Mobile Home Park where you wouldn't have to drive through the center. and it would give you a better access to your

   40:40home for the estate properties in behind the Forest Lakes. And uh it's a very good settlement for 'em and I uh appreciate all those that work with us because they were very sensible, Bob and and Gordon led that and Clark did all the work he can he can do to get that to happen for us. 'Cause at first it wasn't something they were just willing to come out and build another road, but They finally agreed on that. And that's the best result for the people in behind Forest

   41:10Lake. So

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   41:11and maybe those six holdouts will change their minds.

   Ron Oakley

   41:14And and with that, I would uh move approval. Second.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   41:18Second and with a quick discussion, aren't they also paving an additional one mile south? of that at no cost to the homeowners and the residents. Because if we were, he as he gave the scenario to waive a 10,000, if there was a PVAS out there, I'm sure the PVAS would cover cost probably about $10,000. So the developer sounds and the applicant sounds like they're willing to pay that cost. Nice.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   41:47Yeah.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   41:47Okay.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   41:47All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. P forty one.