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1. 1Aug 19, 2025
   Board of County CommissionersC22Consent agendaNo disposition in the minutes

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   StarkeyChair

   55:32So wish us luck. All right. Um we are now onto the consent agenda. And we have a poll sheet, which I have here. Yeah, I got mine, I think. Okay, uh we have C6 withdrawn, C14 withdrawn, C22 pull and discuss. C twenty-four by Weightman, Pull and Disgust. Let me guess what these are. Oh yes. C twenty-eight, pull and revised, and

   56:03C thirty-one by Weightman, pull and discuss. Is there anything else that we would like to see removed?

   56:09Madam Chairman M38.

   56:11Uh C thirty eight.

   MarianoVice Chair

   56:12C thirty eight, yes. Thanks.

   StarkeyChair

   56:13Is that a I guess it's discussed. Okay. All right. Um seeing no others, I will take a motion for the second. All in favor?

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   56:24Aye.

   StarkeyChair

   56:25Okay, so first one up, C22. C

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   56:29C22. We've had this conversation a number a number of different times. Um the sale of surplus land. or a dollar amount that I'm not satisfied with selling surplus land for for ten dollars. Um even if it's too a a not for profitness cause, I just I'm opposed to it. The county taxpayer has over eight thousand dollars invested in this site. Um the appraise value is a lot higher than that. And um

   57:00just based on the on the policy and and philosophically I I think the taxpayer needs to be made whole and we should have sold this property for a minimum of eight thousand dollars that the taxpayer has invested uh in this in this particular property. So

   MarianoVice Chair

   57:17Mm chair. And I concur a hundred percent.

   StarkeyChair

   57:20Well, I'm gonna disagree because I think it's probably been sitting there for a while and that um it would be better for us to get a house built on there and get the revenue from the taxes on a house sitting sitting here and it won't be a trailer, it'll be a home and someone will be on their way to building individual wealth or or family wealth. Commissioner Oakley

   Oakley

   57:46with you that um This deduction of this price is actually gonna allow people to get in this home at a lesser rate that can afford homes. That's who get these homes and helps them, helps the citizen, and then they will start bringing in taxes, like you say, that I think is very good for our community.

   StarkeyChair

   58:07So um that will require a vote and if it's two two, what is the resolution on that?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   58:15It would have to come back to

   Mike Carballa

   58:17a

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   58:17full b board.

   Mike Carballa

   58:21Yeah, we'll we'll if it fails we'll bring it back. However the board wants to handle it, I can withdraw them now.

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   58:27Just I just Madam Chair, it's just it's just an interesting conversation because we discuss how the county loses money on residential housing stock all the time. We need higher utility rates, we need higher this, we need higher that because residential is a lost leader apparent to the county budget as far as what this, you know, the county leadership says. So to sell it for ten dollars. It's just compounding a problem. That's why I I think a fair trade off for when we sell these properties a tremendous discount to

   58:57these not for profits, which are businesses that have million dollar plus fundraisers every year and they brag about it on social media. and they're raising funds from all over the place that they can pay the minimum investment that this county taxpayer has on this property. In this case it's eight thousand. A little over eight thousand and the other property that's on here is a little over fifty six hundred bucks. I think that's that's a fair trade-off. The lost revenue to the county as monopoly money, it doesn't really count until we get

   59:28it. And so I I'm not gonna back off of this. Every time I see one of these I'm gonna pull it. I'm gonna bring it up for spirited discussion and hopefully one day we'll we'll get this policy changed. So

   Oakley

   59:39in this uh east Pasco

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   59:46There's two one east and one on the west. Oh there's two of them? Yes.

   StarkeyChair

   59:49If this one's in Port Ritchie, it's ours? If it's the city of Port Ritchie?

   Andrew Baxter

   59:54Yeah, so

   StarkeyChair

   59:56Well that's interesting. I hadn't seen that one.

   Andrew Baxter

   59:57City of Port Ritchie, with the way the process works, has the first right of refusal if they want to accept it or not. But that is that was not accepted.

   StarkeyChair

   1:00:06Okay. All right. Um so we'll have to bring these two back then I guess.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:00:11Madam Chairman

   StarkeyChair

   1:00:12Mariano.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:00:13So I d I I'd suggest we talk about the next one too. But thinking about this one here, I would love to see us approach the nonprofit and see if that eight thousand dollars would be acceptable to them. And maybe if it doesn't make a difference, because I don't think it is going to kill any sale anywhere, anytime, that I think it's worth worth it for the taxpayers to easy even ask them if they'll pay what we owe. What would be invested? Yep, I have taken that as a note.

   StarkeyChair

   1:00:37Okay, so then we'll move on to C twenty eight.

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   1:00:40I won't I won't belabor the point for uh oh C twenty four.

   StarkeyChair

   1:00:45Well it's the same thing, right?

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   1:00:47Well, for C twenty-four, so are we are we taking a vote on this, Chair? Are we looking to

   Mike Carballa

   1:00:54Well it's That's the board's call, but I mean I guess I would say that we see where that's gonna go. So I was I mean I draw it and I can bring it back when we have a full board for consideration. Yeah.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:01:04Let's say I have a conversation quick.

   Mike Carballa

   1:01:07C

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:01:07twenty-four.

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   1:01:08Oh well C C twenty four, same same issue, sounds property for for ten dollars. County taxpayer has over fifty six hundred dollars invested into this site. And The praise value. uh for C twenty four this land uh is twenty four thousand one hundred and sixty two dollars. The appraised value for C twenty two Is uh Thirty-three thousand five hundred and thirty-nine dollars. Uh so put that on the record. I know it has it says what

   1:01:38we've lost on there. Technically the county hasn't lost anything because it hasn't provided any services to the sites and I won't belabor those other points. So

   StarkeyChair

   1:01:47so here's here's my little problem with with all this is that we already had these discussions and we voted on a policy. And we m uh m have moved forward on a policy that we voted. Now some now two of you might have been on the losing side of that policy decision, but to do this every time this comes up and try and change the public decision, I don't think is I mean obviously it's your legal right, but of course we're going to be able to do that.

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   1:02:13So we're

   StarkeyChair

   1:02:13gonna

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   1:02:14this is great government. I disagree with you. We d I disagree with the policy. I'm gonna pull it. I'm gonna bring it to the public's attention and vote no. Okay. I think that's fair.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:02:22Madam Chairman coming up this afternoon that was something that was a four to one vote I was on the other side of, and it's coming back because new conversations come up about what what the merits are. And again, if we can save our taxpayers money by getting value instead of just giving it away to a uh a non profit, I think we should try to Recoup whatever we can.

   StarkeyChair

   1:02:42Okay, so we'll bring those back.

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   1:02:44Thank you, Chairman Mariano.

   StarkeyChair

   1:02:50Good morning. Carrie Roberts, Purchasing Director for the County. This is a poll and revise to change the title from exempt purchase of ACE Opportunities Inc. for the residential transitional housing program to the drug court treatment program. It's just a uh changing of the department's name.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:03:09Move approval noted change. Second.

   StarkeyChair

   1:03:11All in favor? Aye. Uh C thirty one, Commissioner Weightman.

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   1:03:15Thank

   1:03:15you.

   1:03:15A little less tension around this. This is I just want to highlight this on the work of the MSTU that was that was voted on last year and it's showing the MSTU and the and the road paving assessment dollars that um Uh that the uh the county has assessed the taxpayers uh going to work. So whenever we see the MSTU money at work, just like the penny, uh I think it's important that we we highlight those efforts and that the county and Jason and his team aren't wasting any time spending that money and getting our getting our roads

   1:03:46uh back in good shape, which is the expectation of our customers. So thank you guys.

   StarkeyChair

   1:03:51On that I do have a question. Um when will you post the roads for the next fiscal year? I'm wondering where Green Key is on that, I just but I do have that question.

   Jason Mickle

   1:04:01Good morning. Um, good morning, members of the board. I'm Jason Mickel, Public Works Director. Um Thank you, Commissioner. I appreciate uh pulling that and acknowledging that this this project um isn't designed for some road-related drainage and some improvements of the road, and we'll we will be using MSTU dollars to um improve that community. Um I just want to give you a quick fact, if I could. Uh you know we set out to do about 120 lane miles for fiscal. We're at 132 lane miles as of right now. Um we spent our money, so very

   1:04:31successful program this year. Thank you very much for supporting us um and and giving us a chance to get out there and execute and improve the community. So it's been it's been a very successful program this year. Um our published plan is on the website right now. Uh the Green Key Road that you heard about earlier today, um that is a project that we have in for stormwater um capital as well. So what we need to do out there is improve that area, improve that road's drainage before we could pave it. So that's not gonna be on

   1:05:01our list yet on the MSTU. We have to um we have to Pursue the capital uh part of that project first, which would improve the stormwater drainage along that road.

   StarkeyChair

   1:05:12Uh is is there an issue with a flapper? Is am I saying that right?

   Jason Mickle

   1:05:16Yeah, there there's two different there's two different projects. Um really good news on uh sorry, Commissioner. Oh go ahead. Uh there's two different projects. One is the Green Key Estates neighborhood, which we are really close to going out to bid. We're just waiting on some some permitting, but not just normal stuff, no no big deal. Um that we're hoping to go into construction next year. So that'll that'll help the drainage and Green Key neighborhood. Um the Green Key Road project is a little bit further along. We gotta we gotta wait a few more years before we can get

   1:05:46that project going.

   Oakley

   1:05:47Hmm. You know, when we did this uh new paving assessment. projects that we did with the MSTU. We chose a lesser number than probably we should have because We ran out of money before the end of the year. And I don't know if we tweak it or not, but I'm I'm gonna tell you this is one of the best projects we've ever put forward to the citizens. Yep. I've had people that are always telling me that we don't do anything right and everything's wrong. to actually tell

   1:06:18me that's one of the best projects we've ever put through to the citizens and they certainly appreciate us doing that. That's great to hear. Yeah. I'm telling you I'm talking about people that are no on everything we do to coming out and say that's one of the best things we've done. And the way the department's carrying that on it's been very good and uh very proactive in doing it. So

   Jason Mickle

   1:06:44The team's eager to execute more, so they're they're ready to go.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:06:47Commissioner Mariano. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Yeah, Jason, you did a phenomenal job executing um I would have supported more funding this year. Hopefully next year we'll kind of look at it a little bit closer and maybe we'll make the move next year, but I thought this would have been a good year to do it. Um I was disappointed it didn't. But anyway, what you did is phenomenal. like to talk to the board about with so the the estates project is one that's going on. There's a flapper valve that was replaced once, helps the water flow back in, but stop it from coming in, uh let it flow back out and those are tough to work with. They

   1:07:18they just continually are, especially with all the growth uh in that i in the area that's uh sea like growth that goes on go on around a plug it. So that that is a tough thing. But I would like you to and I brought this up before Um is there's a big stormwater program that could happen on the Green Key Road that would restricts water flow up and back that could be eligible some from federal funding. is importantly, you've got the community development block grant disaster recovery money. That

   1:07:48project I think would qualify and I think it should get done under that funding. And that's funding you can apply for now. I don't know if you applied for it for the for this coming thing. I mean I I would like to see it applied for and put in the list of the items to do. You've you've got all the c you've got all the numbers on it, you get everything for it, and it would be a good economic benefit. It would benefit the city as well as the county, and it would take a big uh negative area for a very poor area, which seventy per seventy percent of the money has to be spent, that's just one of the poorest neighbors you're gonna

   1:08:18find, it would help that area quite a bit. So I think I would like to see you bring it forward and then put it put on the list.

   Jason Mickle

   1:08:25Understood.

   StarkeyChair

   1:08:27Okay. Um let's take our vote. Approval

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   1:08:31for uh C thirty one.

   StarkeyChair

   1:08:32Second. All in favor? Aye. All right, and then we have uh C thirty eight, C thirty eight, correct?

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:08:38Yeah, Jason. So I I get to it's a it's a big report that we're looking here with the Stormwater Master Plan. Uh there's one item that I didn't see on here and I called you on it and I know I didn't expect an answer right away, but I don't see anything on here as far as that closed basin by Jasmine Lakes and Lutter Road. That I want to take a look at, maybe?

   Mike Carballa

   1:08:59Well, no, I was just going to suggest, Commissioner, it sounds like you you may have an older version of the agenda if that's the stormwater master plan item you're referring to. We have I've made that a regular item, so we'll discuss that fully in front of the board. Okay. C thirty eight on the official agenda is actually a multi-use path item for I think laptops. It is

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:09:17the old agenda from before.

   Mike Carballa

   1:09:18Yes, sir. Yes, sir. So we're we're going to discuss the we'll discuss that, but I I need the board to take a motion to uh uh formalize the lap agreement then move approval second all in favor aye aye