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1May 3, 2022
Board of County CommissionersR52Regular businessNo disposition in the minutes
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David Engel
Good morning Madam Chairman Board Members, David Engel, Economic Growth Director. As a result of unprecedented residential demand uh for land in our region. The Office of Economic Growth and Planning and Development Department engaged the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council to conduct a strategy analysis for the preservation and optimization of light industrial and employment center properties and zoning in the county.
The study does an economic analysis of the fiscal and economic impact to the community when we Take industrial land and modify it to allow residential. It looks at the market conditions in our area and then it does an analysis of our quality of our zoning and has some recommendations. So rather than give us spoiler alert, I'd like to introduce Randy DeChazzo, Chief of Staff of the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council.
Randy DeChazzo
Good morning, Commissioners. Thank you, David. Uh thank you to the plating staff for your assistance with our uh study. Um I'm gonna try to work out our presentation here and we'll go ahead and get started. Um First, uh this is our project team that uh worked on the study for you uh just as a sort of a general um alert that uh our effort here is uh strictly advisory. Uh so we're not here to tell you what to do, but to just provide you with some
information. Um that's important because there's a lot of information to absorb today. Uh Basically, our central focus here is on what we'll call generally industrial land, but we specifically mean uh the future land uses of employment centers, EC, and Light Industrial IL, as your main tool and your land use planning toolkit uh to promote the development of target industry jobs. Target industry jobs. Are those higher-paying
jobs that span a range of blue-color manufacturing to high-tech kinds of jobs that help raise the average wage in the county and provide what we'll call an employment multiplier. They create more jobs through their own spending down through their own supply chains and household spending. So that gives you a little bit of an idea of. Yeah. of generally what our focus is, but we do need to get a little bit into the background. And this is
a a few observations about what's going on in Pasco County. One out of ten jobs in Pasco is what we would call a target industry job. The uh percentage of those jobs in Hillsboro and in Pinellas County is about one out of every four jobs. Um Pasco County has the longest commute in the Tampa Bay area. It actually has one of the longest commutes in the entire state. Um it has the lowest
jobs housing balance. Um What we're really talking about today is what's called jobs employ residence. Can you say that one more
Kathryn StarkeyChair
time? Yeah, say that sentence again and I wonder.
Mike Moore
Lowest go ahead and say that.
Randy DeChazzo
Yeah, uh lowest jobs housing balance. So the number of jobs compared to housing units. Now
Mike Moore
we're s so you're saying uh we have more homes than we need than we we need more jobs.
Randy DeChazzo
You
Mike Moore
need
Randy DeChazzo
more jobs, is where we're going with that. And
Mike Moore
I've been saying that for the last five years, haven't I?
Randy DeChazzo
So but uh what I'll getting into the uh the nerdy details of this, I'll refer to it as jobs employed residents. As the labor force changes, there are fewer people who are actually working. Uh and so it's probably more appropriate to call it jobs employed residents. So that's a little bit of our metric that we use. About 70% of your employed residents work somewhere else besides Pasco County. And then I want to emphasize that those points are all related to each other. And we'll talk about
how that plays into our recommended strategy. And then as David mentioned, we're facing a close to unprecedented change in demand for residential uses. Single family prices have jumped by 30 per 33%. uh over the past year and have increased substantially uh over the last twenty years. Um the overall Tampa Bay metropolitan area has also increased faster
than uh the US uh rate of change and housing prices. I will mention sort of in passing that um last time that happened was in late 2007. So just to give you a sense of what may be going on here. All right, so again going back to the the impact of all of these uh changes in residential market, uh you see a lot of demand for change uh from future land use amendments, and so
this is just a graphic showing you some of the recent changes. You've actually had a slight increase uh over the last two years in light industrial, but you've seen some losses in heavy industrial and and in uh employment center uses. Um but For our purposes, the two key questions we're going to focus on today are how many jobs does the county need, and then how many acres do those jobs need? And the point of all of this exercise is to not just to help you
think about What? what uh potential expansion of Light industrial or employment center you might consider in the future, but they help you think through the balance of overall land uses. So that's where we get to what I'll call the multiple choice piece of this. Planners often talk in terms of what's going to what the county will look like in 25 years, what is the overall build-out. It doesn't necessarily work for you as decision makers as you consider. The next
acre of land. And so what this table here shows you are what are the various potential kinds of development scenarios as a result of development of single family versus different kinds of industrial uses. You can see that there's an escalating impact based on how much of the target industries you might have in terms of their overall impact. on wages and on taxes and again this to give you a sense of what could happen on
a single acre of land versus single family development. Now, yeah. This is a lot to to absorb all in one go. Uh so what we did is we also tried to boil it down into a single number. The idea here is that we take the the average of of what those wages might be in a target industry, stretch it out over the forecast period that we look at through 2050, uh, and then we do a little bit of financial discount. to give you
a sense of what the value per acre is every time you change it from some industrial land use to some non-employment use. And it's about two million dollars in lost personal income. That's direct and indirect and it's also discounted.
Jack MarianoVice Chair
Can you go back go back to that slide again? The
Randy DeChazzo
previous one?
Jack MarianoVice Chair
Oops. Uh
Randy DeChazzo
Nope. Going forward. Going forward. Okay, I don't know if somebody can help me out here.
Jack MarianoVice Chair
Right here, this one here. So I mean h let's really look at that. Okay. I mean for residential single family homes, the far right column at sixty five grand. the next one down upscale retail is in one point five million sixty five
Randy DeChazzo
thousand.
Jack MarianoVice Chair
What's that?
Randy DeChazzo
That's sixty five thousand.
Jack MarianoVice Chair
Sixty five thousand, sorry. Yeah. Um one point five million for the next one, two point two million for the next one, three million for the next. That's huge jumps. That we need to look at. Like
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Well, I think that's it's always been that way. Oh
Jack MarianoVice Chair
yeah, but I'm just I'm just saying is like when you really
Kathryn StarkeyChair
look at
Jack MarianoVice Chair
those numbers though, didn't
Kathryn StarkeyChair
that strike you?
Jack MarianoVice Chair
I'll I'll wait.
Randy DeChazzo
Yeah. I I I don't think uh this part will be all that surprising, but again to go back to where uh I we were before, just to give you a sense of it's about two million dollars. uh at one go uh and loss of personal income. Now Again, getting back to the earlier point of well, how many jobs are you talking about? Because you do have to balance your land uses among employment and non-employment uses. So the point of setting a goal then is not to establish some mandate
or a time table that you have to accomplish. The point is to help you give focus to your future land use decisions and then And to think about how those decisions ultimately impact your balance of jobs within your county. And so we're gonna focus on two kinds of stats for lack of a better term: the jobs, employed residents, and what we call job match. So 70% of your residents go out every day
to work somewhere else. And that is not just a case that there's not enough. jobs in the county, there are not enough well-paying jobs. So the point of ECIL or industrial land in general is that you want to increase the share of target industry jobs in your economy and this is your main land use tool to do that. Alright, so this is a lot of information to look at in one chart, so I'll try to walk you through it here. On the left-hand side are counties, those little
dots, that are jobs poor. They have higher commute times, average commute times, than people who are down in the center. uh and those higher commute times will call jobs poor because they are they've got less than one point oh of that Balance between jobs and employed residents. Now, of course, they're going somewhere. They're going to Hillsboro, they're going to Orange County. Those counties are jobs-rich. And what happens to their average commute times? It goes back
up. So there's this kind of happier middle point, which is those counties that are more or less jobs balanced. So that doesn't mean that you have free flow traffic. Pinellas County is pretty busy during rush hour, but it does actually have a lower than a lower average commute time than Pasco County does. So this this gives us a sense of what that range
looks like. Alright, so what does this mean in terms of how many jobs? From the target industry jobs perspective, you're thinking about uh planning for an increase of about 35,000 jobs over the next 25 years and to plan land uses accordingly. Now to get to that overall one-to-one um uh uh ratio between jobs and employed residents. Adding those target industry
jobs actually helps you to get there because they create other jobs through their own spending. Now that gives you a sense of how many jobs we think you need to have to balance your jobs with your future housing needs or your future employed residence need. Now, what does that mean in terms of how much land do you have? Well, we did a lot of GIS analysis, we'll get to it in another slide, where we looked at what are the available acreages of ECIL
and the PUDs. And we see that overall you actually do have a lot of land that is buildable. fits within those categories. But target industries don't necessarily come and say, well, we'll take one acre at a time. Their demand for land is lumpy. They usually don't want one acre at a time. They need usually large sites. And then it may be hard to see
in this slide here, but the average for industrial parks throughout the country is about 550 acres in size. And then in in this expert that we're quoting here, they're looking at 10 to 15 acre parcels that fit within a 200 acre park at a minimum to be qualified as an industrial park. That's a bit of an issue here, uh, because not only is a quarter of your industrial land that it that is already developed. Uh
tends to be a bit older than average. Some of it may be approaching obsolescence. There may be a cons a need to consider uh redevelopment. But the really big issue here is that you have got a very fragmented pattern of industrial land. The overall distribution is that half of your parcels are less than four acres. 40% of all those parcels are actually less than two acres in size. So they're
scattered across the county, they're not easily assembled, and so that is really your land use supply issue. It's not so much the total acreage, but where those acres are and how they're divvied up. So what we did is we um took a look at where your existing concentrations of industrial land were and we we put around buffers around those properties and along uh railway and along um truck
routes to identify areas that you might consider adding future EC and IL. Uh and the point here is not Just to add acres, but to look at larger sites that might better fit the needs of future industrial land use. So that leads us to the overall points about our strategy. Those areas that I showed you in that previous map might fit into what we'll call an industrial sanctuary.
the idea there and we're borrowing it from Jacksonville where they also had a uh a sanctuary concept is that these are areas that you want to protect from uh redesignation to residential or other uses to consolidate industrial land so that you can get to those those scales that industry needs to operate and to To work with each other and to attract labor. And to do that, you need to identify
some basic criteria, such as perhaps establish a new land use and zoning that has a very significantly larger minimum lot size than what you currently allow for a light industrial or heavy industrial, which is about 30,000 or 40,000 square feet. And talk about a minimum lot size of 50 acres, or perhaps higher than that. You want to also consider adding through a
long-term process another 2,000 acres that sort of keep that in your back pocket as a reserve for future job growth. And then make sure that when When developers come or when industry comes, you you can point to areas that are essentially easily changed to industrial use. Uh and then we talk a little bit about uh interfill and redevelopment um uh incentives, um,
but a lot of that is also about broadening permitted uses and to think of different ways to to encourage redevelopment.
All right. So these are our takeaways. Um again, just drawing your attention to um EC and IL is the the main tools that you have. for developing um your target industries. uh to set a g a job goal. It doesn't have to be one job per employed resident. Any progress you make towards leveling up your jobs to employ residents will likely uh result in an in an improvement in your average commute times. Uh and
then the think about where you might uh add future industrial land uh and the process that we've suggested includes uh trying to consolidate around existing areas of or concentrations of industrial land. And then finally to consider hybrid districts. So to look at how you might uh encourage more flexibility in your in your land uses so that uh land
uses that might be classified as uh heavy industrial or light industrial can actually work within the same district uh and and also meet minimum size requirements for industrial or corporate business parks. Now, I will close with one downside because um if you do increase uh your share target industry jobs, you're likely to increase your average housing prices because you will be uh more attractive to future residents. So there's that. Yeah
that's it. Thank you.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Um
Questions? I have some questions.
But I'll let you guys go first.
Mike Moore
Thanks. Question for you. Um When we talk about industrial sites, you said in in addition to industrial sites, we're also talking about maybe office and some commercial as well, correct? How important is to maintain the current entitlements on those industrial sites as well as office and major corridors. I'll use this for an example, I-75, State Road 56, right? um easier access for people to get on two seventy
five and seventy five to get to work, correct? Correct. Easier to traverse the area um across the county. using roads like State Road 56, State Road 54. How important is it to
Randy DeChazzo
maintain those and not convert those? So uh that is part of the concept behind the industrial sanctuary that uh Jacksonville uh has pioneered in the state which is that those areas that are around the main points of access to the statewide uh economic market is uh absolutely Yeah. uh make sure that you keep those. Some of the more scattered parcels that are too small you may want to consider converting to uh other uses based on market demand, but you
really need to uh um keep an eye on what happens with those areas that are at crossroads.
Mike Moore
And another question too, you may not have looked into this. Um you may have to give your opinion or not give an opinion. Okay. Um when it comes to these okay say job creating sites, again, whether it be industrial office, whatever, um when it comes to you showed on there that the return on on the investment for the county or city is much greater, correct? At the same time, when it comes to the the use of resources. County and city resources. I'm going to assume there's much less the majority of time on these sites as well. Is
that correct?
Randy DeChazzo
That is correct. We did not look specifically at cost of community services as part of our overall analysis. Um apparently it's it's hard to do for a variety of reasons, but um it is a a simple fact that um industrial uses tend to use fewer public services than residential.
Mike Moore
So we when we say public services, we could use, for example, um fire rescue, we could use um the sheriff's office would have there would be less of an impact on those services than there would be on say a multifamily apartment complex.
Randy DeChazzo
Not just that, but I I think in a lot of cases industrial uses actually subsidize the cost of those services. for residential. Right. Thank you.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Commissioner Oriano.
Jack MarianoVice Chair
Thank you, Madam Chairman Mariano. Yeah, Randy, I and I love the expansion part of the areas that we have currently, uh, but I've got a concern And let's say in the Hudson area, you've got some industrial property. One of the roads you showed is long on Diagonal Road that's there right- right across from US nineteen. It doesn't have water in the sewer. There's a lot of 10-acre parsels that connect to it. Uh there's the parcel and Denton we just gave up some commercial to get some residential going along along that area. that maybe if water and sewer was there, how important is water
and sewer to that infrastructure as well? Um but
Randy DeChazzo
I I am quite certain that it's quite important.
Jack MarianoVice Chair
I mean it's critical, right? Yeah. So do others take, let's say, policies to say, okay, we're gonna look at industrial land and make those investments like we did at the Z the Zephyrhills Airport? Is that a common practice? I I I don't know,
Randy DeChazzo
to be honest. I would assume so.
Jack MarianoVice Chair
I mean it's something I think we oughta consider. Um You've got industrial land. It's located to a major highway. It's not near a rail line which so obviously you want but it's near the major truck routes and it's you know, probably good potential land. They could create jobs right in that area too. So thank you.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Um so one of my questions, I I used to know this number of years ago, but prices have changed so much and it's it's always been that residential uses more services than job than office, retail, industrial. But there used to be a value on a house that you could kind of set where it was taking or it was giving. Do you happen to know what that is these days?
Randy DeChazzo
Uh no, but I would say that it changes.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Yeah.
Randy DeChazzo
Um because I've seen that uh a lot of organizations like American Farmland Trust have trying to put a specific number on that, but it does change based on the community and and where you are in the community.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Yeah, I remember um years ago when Michelle Baker was here, I think that number was at three fifty.
But I I'd be very curious to know what that is today. I'm sure I'm sure it's different. Uh Commissioner Oakley.
Ron Oakley
Yeah. I appreciate your uh presentation. The um And it fits right into where we've been in Pasco. We have more residential. It seems to be easier to get residential, as we all know. in into our county. But we also at this time and period in our history here now, we're starting to see more and more jobs come our way and the tuna east Pasco County within the next few months we'll start seeing like five million square foot of warehouse and jobs and boarding jobs
and jobs that paid more will be coming to the East Pasco County area. So with all this We don't need to give up any of our uh industrial park area or any of our place for commercial or our businesses and all because we need those jobs and we don't have so much that's set aside for that. So if we give it up, we lose it. And if you give it up to residential, it's going the wrong way. It's the balance is
out of the way. So commercial help pay for what the service R for all the residential we have and we have more and more residential coming. but we also have a lot of jobs coming to east of Pasco County. When I grew up here in Pasco County in Dade City. Um when you went off to school, you if you were not already in a business or your family in a business in in this area, y whatever you studied at school you might have to go somewhere else to get that job. I think we're changing that. I
think we're gonna go past that and have jobs for our our students and all that come out of schools here and we got more technical schools happening. So we'll be able to keep a lot of our young folks here near near home and near their families. So I think that's all good and it it's the progress of uh what happens in the future as we're growing. But we gotta be careful and and real careful about not holding up. I I've been thinking about the vision for the Northeast Rural Area
and everybody sees it one day, but if you'll remember last year, it was either last year or year before, the state took the right of the facts of solar farms. to be governed by the state. on any agricultural property. Right. And our northeast rule is full of n of rural. Agricultural property. So we've got to move forward with the vision. Or we'll lose it to solar, which I don't think we really There's nothing wrong with solar in the right place. But I don't think we want it
in that northeast rule very much of it. So I think it's something we need to move forward, have very good housing and ideas out there that keeps it in a rule. Something very special for Pasco County. So but all this goes along with our growth and what we're seeing coming. So there's nothing wrong I've always said there's nothing wrong with good planned growth. So Yeah, look out for the future.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Commissioner Mariano.
Jack MarianoVice Chair
Thank you. And uh you know another another good point you brought up and and Commissioner Oakley, I think we're we're all thrilled to see that Overland Overpass Business Park exploded instantly as soon as we put on the market. Right. What's going on at the Pasco One Center is tremendous and I I'm glad to see we're looking at expanding those areas. Um The Central Pascoal Employment Center coming up for a hearing later on today. One of the things that was done was there was a trade-off from one person have an industrial land to get the other one coming in to help Moffitt come in. And in
your presentation you made a r a real good point about trying to make it easy for people to take it from non-industrial to get it to industrial REC. And I think it's something we need to do. We need to make it simple. Like if you want to go change it and if and it fits whatsoever, we need to s stave off the process. Maybe even save them the money of doing the conversion. Maybe we need to like make make these things board initiated that if you want to go take your property that you think you can make it industrial and have the services to it then We make that process where we
take care of that expense and go through the process and set it up to make it easy for people to go make that shift. Yeah.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
So did you look at the um Madam
Mike Moore
Clerk, can I just follow up on this? Sure. Thank you, ma'am. I think and Dan, why don't you jump in real quick here? And y you guys may have as well, but I had conversations with um Mr. Biles, um, Terry, Sally, and I think we there's a plan in place and they're working on that because that was one of my concerns as well about always having to do that swap in that central Pasco um employment, whatever we want to do. But um But I talked to you about hey they shouldn't have to swap, they want to do industrial. Let's
do industrial. Thank you. So We've you're working on something, you may have that finished. Can you respond to that?
County Administrator
Well you obviously work on some stuff with the property owners there. You have a public hearing this afternoon. Yeah, forget the property owners
Mike Moore
talking about in the future if somebody wants to add an industry without doing a swap.
County Administrator
Right. You know, we've we've I think we've been clear that the board, if somebody was coming into industrial, then we want to maximize the square footage as best we can on the site. A lot of the challenges uh revolve around transportation. You hit the you start dominoing into transportation impact to a certain square footage. That's part of the CPV's issue, is at some point the the square footage of industrial dominoes into transportation impact. that you have to fix off site to make it work. And we don't get mobility fees on industrial property.
They're they're right there effectively zero. So yes, we are working on that. Uh Terry can have some more details, but effectively, you know, if you come in for target industry or light industrial, we're trying to do our best to make it work and maximize the the value on the piece of property.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Um Terry wanted to add a comment to that discussion. And we have plenty of time this morning, so.
Ron Oakley
Uh McDonald's Pito's Planning and Development Department. Thank you Madam Chair. Uh to answer the question for CPEV Central Pasco Employment Village specifically, we are uh to Dan's point looking at um what we can do uh from the county's perspective to enable additional industrial entitlement to move in. To the CPEV area without having to do swaps. Right? Because CPEV established a maximum threshold back in back
in the day of 2006-2008. That was around 3.7 million square feet of industrial, which at that time was a lot. The economy certainly has changed for Florida in general, but also for Pasco County. And so we want to be able to update that uh those statistics. This has changed even since last summer when we listen when we last looked at the Central Pasco Employment Big Village sub-area policies. So we're we're we're definitely looking to that point, uh Commissioner.
Jack MarianoVice Chair
Senator Chair. Yeah.
You know, if we're making industrial land go through looking at transportation issues. Now if there's some things that need to be done between a turn lane coming in or something like that, I think it's something Maybe we should look at the the future penny for Pasco as far as an allocation where we can put money or even but Transportation budget for industrial land to actually come in to help them come in and cut down the cost. When when I When we'll look at the hearing later on today, but w the transportation numbers If I've got residential
homes coming in. We need all the transportation studies. We need them done right. Right, to to make sure they make sense. Um for industrial land, if we're creating jobs right here. I don't know why I even need a transportation study. I'm gonna keep people working here instead of going somewhere else. What what am I s why do I why do I make them spend time and money on engineers for that when we know it's gonna reduce your number of trips? And cut commute times down for people.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Yeah, good point.
Ron Oakley
Madam Chair, j just for clarification, in in terms of the transportation analyses that are done for employment generating land uses, specifically industrial and EC type target industry uses, we as the Planning and Development Department we exempt the transportation needs assessment that occurs with the company. It's a planning stage. We also exempt the timing and phasing analysis that occurs of the zoning phases for those uses. I think for when we get to the actual site planning, we do have to take a look
at how access is getting in and out from the from the actual site that's being designed, accessing the arterials or the collector roads. Um but for the most part all of the transportation analyses for those uh industrial uses um are being exempted currently.
Jack MarianoVice Chair
Okay.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
And um David, did you wanna add some stuff to this list? Well I
David Engel
I just wanted to thank the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council. I think they did a great job and they did it quickly and they used a substantial portion of the remaining CARES Act funds to fund this project and we had a very small amount of contribution out of the the community's funds. Um so we're gonna work with planning and Bring bring more work forward, but this is a good starting point and I thank you for allowing me to do this study.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Well um you know something that wasn't mentioned well I still have some questions on this industrial study, but um We have millions of square feet of job creation space come uh in the pipeline, right? I mean I have pretty high number
David Engel
We have a substantial pipeline.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Yeah we have we are about to see in the next few years massive amount of job creation here. Uh and I I I'm still a neophyte but I'm trying I think that houses typically come before the jobs. The jobs they don't Typically build the jobs and then then the houses build around it. So because they look for the workforce that's the right-of-way.
David Engel
Based on the projections.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Yeah, that's why we're going to be able to do that.
David Engel
Based on the projections in this study that that Randy's uh staff prepared, we need 150,000 jobs to meet that one to one ratio. So that's a substantial amount of jobs and well over our pipeline.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Yeah, so um so how can we what are the best and did you wanna add something?
County Administrator
Well I was just gonna say you just need to be mindful, you need to stay balanced. You you d we've I think as a county we've been a little out of balance.
And no jobs. Yeah, right. And so we're starting to see that balance shift a little bit. As you mentioned, there's a lot in the pipeline. I think there's probably stuff David's working on that probably you may not have even seen yet. So there is a lot out there that's coming in interest. And we are using, uh Commissioner to your point, we are using various incentive tools to help leverage that to help bring these these jobs and these projects in. So there we are working on a lot of things. So with various tools that we have available, I mean we're wrapping up I think a development agreement
in the next few days or weeks to bring to the board. Um that you'll see probably in June. Uh so there there is a lot happening out there and we are leveraging our tools as best we can to help get the right industries in the right spots.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Yeah and um and And so if a part of our problem is a lack of large tracts of land, how do we go about Um making sure that we're We have more places coming in as these ones take fill up what we have. How are we gonna look at putting together large tracks?
David Engel
Well that's part of the planning process, and we've started to engage that process. Planning and development, the MPO, Office of Economic Growth, we're working together to identify freight carters, road systems, and look at the marketplace and look at the Land available because there's not a lot of vacant land left in the region besides up here in Pasco for industrial and situate uh new new industrial development at the right place and do it on a nodal basis. So that'll be part of your comp plan
and zoning process.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Yeah, so I think that's really uh important for us to focus on.
Of course you have to have landowners that will participate. Commissioner Mariano.
Jack MarianoVice Chair
Yeah, Madam Chairman Mariano, many, many years years ago we did the Year Amendment, uh one of the things I was trying to caution everyone on is the northern part of the county. It's all rural all the way through, even the Hudson area, et cetera. And I had referenced look at what happened at Hillsborough when they protected everything to the northern part of their county. And now we're paying Big losses for it with all the traffic coming from Penels in Hillsborough using fifty four the was gonna struggle with for a while. And I think that's a good thing. I've
talked to several businesses that want to have utilities up along County Line Road. if the governor signs the kind line road budget to get that road done. It's going to be critical that we start adding in that water and sewer up there running up and down. We shouldn't have to dep have our business depend on getting water. From across the street. And if we don't get the sewer in there. you're not going to get the industrial development you could we even along that along that road. Yeah. So I think it's something we really need to look at and as the next month or two plays out to
go that way. But again, David, I want to thank you and Regional Planning Council too for doing the study. I think it's great to have this conversation amongst us to to get kind of reacclimated. Our jobs uh ratio is is low and I don't think we need to be cautious, Dan. I need to do the thing full throttle. Let's focus jobs.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
And uh a c question, is that a historical number or has it gone up, has it gone down? Did we look at you know Thirty years of Housing to jobs or
David Engel
Well that's a sliding scale. I mean it's up that's a policy decision by the board whether you want to do a one-to-one. No, I'm
Kathryn StarkeyChair
just wondering if we've gotten better or if we've gotten worse.
David Engel
Um we've we've gotten worse actually. Um so bet from nineteen ninety to now, we're worse off than we were in ninety. We had more agricultural related, heavy industry type of jobs here in the county to the proportion of population. But now it's gotten worse.
Christina Fitzpatrick
Madam Chairman Yes. Okay. So if can we go back to slide ten please? 'Cause we were talking about transportation and this is based on commute times in minutes, but do we have anything in commute times in distance?
Randy DeChazzo
Not on any chart that uh we prepared for this. Um uh in a lot of cases uh I I guess the the tr the way we think about it is time is money, uh and that people tend to value the how much time they're spending um versus the exact distance and and so like if the distance is longer but there's no traffic, you're still gonna get there sooner than you would.
Christina Fitzpatrick
Okay, 'cause I was gonna ask for Pasco County. We have a longer commute time.
Randy DeChazzo
Mm-hmm.
Christina Fitzpatrick
And where we where are the majority of Employees driving too.
Randy DeChazzo
Uh mostly Hillsboro.
Christina Fitzpatrick
So if we look over at Hillsborough, Hillsboro is still consistently high compared to the other counties continuing the graph. So
Randy DeChazzo
Right. As they become job rich, uh everybody comes to their county slowing those commuters down. And so that's part of the the price you pay for being jobs rich, which is kind of why we are suggesting try to shoot for jobs balanced, which is a one to one ratio, where the commute time is generally less than the really jobs rich areas.
Christina Fitzpatrick
And that's why we would prefer to keep the jobs here. even it being industrial, considering the traffic studies, even if they are higher, they're gonna reduce the traffic on the roads. And it'll be more of a beneficial instead of driving all the way an hour away. Thank you. Commissioner
Jack MarianoVice Chair
Mariano. Could you go to the very last slide again? What was your stop?
You just went by it. Go back. The one with the with the back with the ten segmented areas.
That's the m the the map.
Right there. All right. So I I'm looking at your ten different segments you have, but I'm just a little curious as I look at it. On the Suncoast Parkway and Conline Road, there's an EC area EC area up there, but you don't put that on the map. And there's a lot of open land around it. That could be included. Any reason that didn't make the uh cut?
Randy DeChazzo
Uh n not a real strong reason unless um uh it it was lacking some other major transportation facility. It could have just been an oversight.
Jack MarianoVice Chair
All right. If you could take another look at that, I'd appreciate it. And then if there's a way is taking a look at that Hudson area where those things are. And if there's shortfalls that need to be addressed, if you can address those, it'd be great. Thank you.
David Engel
Any other questions?
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Well I I guess I I am surprised we don't have more industrial opportunity out on the east side. But that's a discussion we can have later. But it seems like that. There's a lot of open land out there and couldn't we find some more industrial out there?
County Administrator
On the east.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Yeah. Along that railroad scur. I see seven, eight, nine and some little little nines. I guess that's around the airport, but Just hoping we can find some more.
Mike Moore
That's true. You mean about the C S X. Yeah,
Kathryn StarkeyChair
the C S X rail line, yeah. That's that's a really important rail line to C S X and
County Administrator
Coochie's not highlighted up there either. You're also you so there's some things that are They aren't in those specific categories that we're working on right now that aren't necessarily up there like the Lacucci area that we're working on with with with with Lakuchi Power, um, you know, the the whole Moffat Angeline parcel, which is all high paying target industry jobs. Now that's not Technically light industrial. Right. But um and so I think part of
the challenge you have with uh that area between Dave City and Zephyrhills is you you're not really connected very well to ground transportation, which we're working on with the state to fix to a certain extent, but
David Engel
And this map isn't zoning recommendations. These are just areas of interest. It doesn't preclude the the board to move forward with a more comprehensive look for industrial.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
You know, there's this little parcel. Um I my doubt that my commissioners on on the east side are gonna know about it but Jack, uh we're alternate nineteen and nineteen are right on the border of Penellas County. It's it's um there's some houses in there but surrounded by industrial and I think we really need to look at that area. to um see if we can't get some um interesting interesting things happening because that's right on the border of Pascoa and Penellas
and on the Penella side there's a lot of big industry. But we just have little teeny Little teeny. little pockets surrounded by substandard housing and I think that's a that's an opportunity we need to look at. Excellent. Yeah. Okay. Um now we're gonna go on to your next one, right?
David Engel
Well that's Terry Petos will present that. Thank you very much.
Kathryn StarkeyChair
Okay, thank you.

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