PDD-20-7475

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1. 1May 5, 2020
   Board of County CommissionersP9Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

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2. 2May 5, 2020
   Board of County CommissionersP9Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

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3. 3May 21, 2020
   Planning CommissionP2Public hearingApproved

   ZONING AMENDMENT (CONTINUANCE) - (REGULAR) – Little Lake Thomas MPUD Master Planned Unit Development - – N & Z Corporation … Two Sisters Land Trust - – Rezoning Request from an … on Approximately 45.52 Acres

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   Denise

   8:33Mr. Chair, on the following item P2, which is PD D 20, 747475, it was placed on the regular agenda, considering that perhaps there would be We would get some opposition on the item and there has not been any opposition on the item received. In fact. Uh we do have a letter that um we have Uh that someone in the area, the president of Pine Glen, has asked us to read into record, which is in support. I

   9:04can do a full presentation on the item or we can read the item title. It's at the pleasure of the Planning Commission.

   GirardiVice Chair

   9:12Okay, so we have uh item P two. Um the uh applicant is present. And uh we have One letter of support.

   9:26And I've got And I understand we have no letters of opposition or nobody registered to speak. Is that correct? Uh Deborah.

   Denise

   9:35That is correct. Well I agree that I don't get into

   9:40Yeah. Read the letter.

   GirardiVice Chair

   9:47All right. Let me just see if the young cookie has anything to Obviously at the same time. Do you have anything you'd like to say at this time?

   Barbara Wilhite

   9:57Now just hi Planning Commission members, great to be back with you all again, even though it's virtual. I have my full team here in my conference room. We have PowerPoints short and long. We are ready if you have any questions, if you'd like a presentation. We have done a lot to uh get to this point working with the neighborhood and uh we are ready to move forward and uh we're glad that we were able to participate in this forum forum.

   GirardiVice Chair

   10:22Okay, great. Um So Does anybody have any questions uh before we read uh into the record the items that were uh submitted?

   10:34I think

   Denise

   10:35Okay, I will go ahead and read the item into the records.

   GirardiVice Chair

   10:38Yeah, no,

   Denise

   10:38I'm 27. Go ahead and

   10:42PDD 27475, it's a zoning amendment. Little Lake Thomas, MPUD Master Plan Unit Development, NMC Corporation, and two Metrust for a zoning rezoning request from R1 Rural Density Residential District to an MPUD Master Plan Unit Development District to allow 218 single family attached townhome units on approximately 45.50. two acres comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions as uh included in your packet and

   11:12again if you would please allow me to read uh the letter that was provided uh to be read into record that is in support.

   GirardiVice Chair

   11:19Yes, go ahead.

   Denise

   11:21This letter is from Jeremy Couch, the president of Pine Glen HOA of [address removed]. He wrote this to uh Chairman Mike Moore and I believe he may have copied the Plan Commission members. I am right-in who was a resident resident of the area and president of the Pine Glen HOA. Pine Glen is a community of 110 single family homes at Drexel Road and Lake Thomas Road in Land O' Lakes. Many of my neighbors and I have followed with much

   11:52interest the proposed little Lake Thomas Town Home Project on US 41. I understand that this developer has voluntarily agreed to several conditions that will be an improvement over how the property could be developed under the current land use and zoning. Having a townhome project at this location will not only benefit the surrounding property owners and the owners on Lake Thomas, it will benefit the property. benefit our community as well. US forty one needs continued advanced investment to be the place that our community desires it to be. With new homes, hopefully

   12:22more

   12:27We look forward to this project and additional developments on US 41. We appreciate your efforts on the county's vacant building demolition program that will also have a positive impact on our community. Very truly yours, Jeremy Couch.

   GirardiVice Chair

   12:42All right. Thank you. Anything else, uh Denise on that? That's all. Okay, that's okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   12:49Just one question, Mr. Chair. This is David Goldstein. Yes. Um, there's a couple of ex party forms in the packet for Mr. Hansel and Chairman Gray.

   GirardiVice Chair

   13:01Right.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   13:03Did were there any other ex party meetings that need to be disclosed that w that are not in the packet? With the applicant or with any opponents?

   GirardiVice Chair

   13:15Did anybody else speak to that?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   13:18I did not receive any additional. Those were actually from the Comp Plan amendment. But since it was a a hot deal back then, we went ahead and included them with M PUD and also.

   GirardiVice Chair

   13:32Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   13:34I was saying. I just want to make sure that all the ex party meetings were disclosed and it sounds like they have been. That That was

   GirardiVice Chair

   13:42to my knowledge, yes. All right. So with the board uh be interested in seeing the full presentation or Are we prepared to to vote on this?

   Christopher Poole

   13:52Mr. Chairman, I've I've got a couple of questions or comments on it if I if I could. Okay, go right ahead. So I live directly up the road from this uh development, as I mentioned when it came before us um before. So my concerns are really related to the transportation aspect of the uh of the project. Um, you know, the the essence putting 400 additional vehicles on on the road at a very difficult and dangerous intersection. Um the

   14:22geometry of that intersection is not not the best. Um they've also um widened the road recently and they've they've uh limited the merge on the northbound side. So There they're concerns I have related to that. Um, I understand that they're gonna extend the uh the length of the of the uh turning lane about 300 feet additional from where it is, but from the main entrance of the development across that turning lane, it's really doing a kamikaze exercise of of

   14:53going across three lanes of high speed traffic to get into that turning lane. to be able to uh track back north. Um My final concern is related to uh uh really transit access to the to the property. I'll see you mentioned in the conditions in twenty six. I don't see any real definition as to how that's going to be accommodated within the uh within the development. Um if the buses are going to transit the development or if they're going to uh be expected to to uh you know, stop within

   15:23the the deceleration lane going into the development or how that's gonna be uh how that's gonna be managed. So those are my three primary

   GirardiVice Chair

   15:32All right, let me see if we can get some direction on that from the applicant.

   Barbara Wilhite

   15:38Sure. I have uh Steve Henry here. Um I know if Denise has the long presentation, there's some slides. Um That are tailored to the transportation discussion.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   15:51Oh If this is Steve Henry and I can kind of go through it uh fairly quickly. You know, one to talk about the the traffic. Um Like to know that right now the the site could allow uh up to a hundred single family homes on it. which would generate about a hundred and two PM peak hour trips. What we're proposing is about 118. So the the difference between what could be put there today versus what we're proposing is insignificant, less than 0.3% of

   16:21the capacity of the road. So an insignificant increase in the amount of traffic. We are proposing to put a southbound right turn lane into the project to get people out of the crew traffic on US-41 as they turn into the project. As you'd indicated, we are looking to extend the southbound left turn lane for the intersection. In addition to that, we have made contact with DOT about make right now the southbound

   16:52and northbound left turn lanes. uh movements are are protected permissive, which means you can turn on a green. And that's what we we found that that's that's part of where the accidents happen. People are trying to beat the yellow light. there and making either a left or or U-turn. So we talked to them about making that a protected only and therefore you're only making that U-turn or that left on a protected arrow. So that helps eliminate the accidents of people trying to beat the the uh the yellow light.

   17:22So from that standpoint the the increase is insignificant. And we are looking to make improvements in the area to accommodate the project.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   17:31I have a comment. Maybe I hear wrong. You say that is the land is approved for 100 or 200 right now.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   17:39One hundred.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   17:41100. And you ask it for 218, correct?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   17:46Correct. Right now it's 100 single family homes. We are asking for 218 townhomes. So the trip generation between the townhomes generate per unit significantly less than a single family home does.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   18:00I I don't I don't understand that formula, to be honest with you. Based when you say, first of all I hear that you say 100 to 118. But now that I know it's 218 before uh when I read the agenda memo, I would like to know how this works because again, every single family who live in a townhouse is basically the same number of people that live in a single home. So I don't know when you say from a hundred and one hundred uh to two hundred eighteen, the impact

   18:30will be Uh zero point three percent. I really don't don't get it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   18:36Okay, I'm sure I can explain that. Our our rates come from the Institute of Transportation Engineers that have done thousands of studies on residential land uses, single family and townhomes. Based on those studies, it has been documented that single family homes generate a certain amount of traffic and a town home generates less traffic than a single family home. It's it's been documented in numerous studies. And in fact, if you look at your

   19:07mobility fee, you would see the exact same

   19:10thing.

   19:10The mobility fee rate is significantly less for town homes because the trip rate for a town home is less than a single family home. So it it's it's national data, it's local data, all documents that they town home. per unit generates less traffic than a single family home.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   19:30I don't have a doubt that you need a regular traffic that a single home. But again, we still if you see that three compensation that you have here. Uh again, it's 218 town houses is more than double a single home. Again, I don't know how old I know a civil engineer or or traffic uh expert. I an architect, I have more knowledge about vertical structural, but the logical that applies here I don't really understand.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   20:01Okay. Again, it it it's based on national data. No, no, yeah. Hundreds of studies that have been done.

   GirardiVice Chair

   20:09All right. Um Res.

   20:16Concerns or do you have more concerns?

   Christopher Poole

   20:19No, I think it does, Mr. Chairman. I I tend to side with Roberto on not I I understand the national data aspect and like, but I don't understand how putting two hundred eighteen units only generates a hundred eighteen trips. I I'm not quite sure, you know, under the presumption that there's a one uh vehicle per per each one of those units. So um I I understand what the data suggests and the the the appropriateness of the data, but uh I I tend to side with Roberto and

   20:49his concern in in that regard as well.

   Barbara Wilhite

   20:53Well I would only add that, you know, we're we're following these are the methodologies that the county code has us follow. So

   Christopher Poole

   21:00I understand.

   Barbara Wilhite

   21:03We're in the planet, we we can't requirements.

   GirardiVice Chair

   21:07Yeah, I think uh I've been spending it. Yeah, if it was on a binding argument, we'd have to Yeah, right. Around it.

   Christopher Poole

   21:17Find the basic thing. Uh yeah, yeah Mr. Chairman. I think the only other comment like I said was the transit related because I know that they're you know under the conditions I think some are 28 specifically says that it's going to be transit served. And I guess the movements of how that's going to happen, or if PCT PCPT has a has a route in that area, how they're going to service that development. Again, thinking of it from a traffic safety perspective with the buses uh you know moving into that development,

   21:47um, coming down a very, very uh heavily traveled and quick roadway. So did they answer that question for you?

   Barbara Wilhite

   21:55No,

   Christopher Poole

   21:55no, sir.

   Barbara Wilhite

   21:56I can't we did not, but I but I can. This is Barbara Will Height. That is a standard condition and what it says is that we have to coordinate with your PCPT department. to accommodate to the extent that they decide that we need to accommodate any bus routes and put a bus stop on our property. So that accommod that coordination happens at site planning. And but this is the general position. So there's Yeah. C C P T will be in control of of what

   22:26needs to be done there and what's uh what things. If any

   Christopher Poole

   22:32Okay, that that uh makes sense to me. Okay.

   GirardiVice Chair

   22:36All right, good. Roberto, what about you? You're okay?

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   22:41Yes. Okay. I hear the explanation. I have my doubts, but here aspiration.

   GirardiVice Chair

   22:47Yeah, I understand. I understand. That'd be It's hard to understand it, but it Right. So that's the name. From the national database.

   Barbara Wilhite

   22:57Yeah, we would be happy. We do have a slide that shows, you know. what can be done in the existing zoning and what can be under done as MPUD. So as you weigh out, you know, precision here, you we can go through that. You will see if you look at that slide. that the proposed project is an improvement over what can be done today for many, many reasons. Um So I'm happy to go through that if you have, you know, any uh remaining questions or concerns, or we can answer any more specific questions.

   GirardiVice Chair

   23:26I suspect that's not necessary, but uh it's uh obviously open for discussion if anybody on the board wants to see that.

   Cox

   23:35Mr. Chairman Mariano

   GirardiVice Chair

   23:36Yeah.

   Cox

   23:37Michael Cox here. Um all due respects to Mr. Henry, but I think that um traffic engineers were put on this planet to make uh stock analysts look like they're uh like they're geniuses. So You know, it is what it is. I'm not touching that one.

   GirardiVice Chair

   23:57No.

   24:00Does anybody want to make a motion?

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   24:02I had a question, Mr. Chairman Mariano. Yeah, yeah, go right ahead. And this question's for Denise. Denise, when those houses are built, how many parking spaces are allowed for each unit? So what would be the total amount of parking spaces out there?

   Denise

   24:17I think that question can be answered by Tammy, who does site review.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   24:21Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   24:24Generally it's two, this is Tammy. Generally it's two parking spaces um for regular one, two, or three bedroom. unit. If they have garages, that of course is a a parking space allowed and then in the driveway.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   24:41Okay, thank

   GirardiVice Chair

   24:42you. Okay.

   24:45Anything else from anyone?

   24:49All right. If there is not anything else, um do we have a motion?

   Cox

   24:54Mr. Chairman Mariano Cox. I will move for approval.

   GirardiVice Chair

   24:57Okay, we have a motion to approve. Uh we have a second.

   Chris Williams

   25:02I'll second it, Ansel.

   GirardiVice Chair

   25:04Peter Hansel's second. Any further discussion on the motion? All in favor of the motion signify by saying aye as we are Reads the role of all.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   25:21Jamie Girardi. Hi. Michael Cox?

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   25:26Aye.

   Clerk

   25:27Peter Hansel.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   25:28Uh hi.

   Clerk

   25:30Roberto Saez.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   25:32Aye.

   Clerk

   25:33Christopher Poole.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   25:36Hi.

   Clerk

   25:38Chris Williams, represented by Richard Canello.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   25:40Hi.

   Clerk

   25:42Chairman Charles Gray.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   25:44Hi

   GirardiVice Chair

   25:48Okay. Thank you. Everyone? Thank you.

   Barbara Wilhite

   25:52Thank you very much.

4. 4Jun 2, 2020
   Board of County CommissionersP5Public hearingContinued

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   Continued to the June 16, 2020 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City by roll call vote.

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   Oakley

   34:02Item P five was published in the Tampa Bay Times on March thirteenth, P twenty.

   Denise

   34:06C D 20, 7475, Little Lake Thomas, MPUD, NNZ Corporations and Two Sisters Land Trust, rezoning from R1 to an MPUD. It's a request for continuance to 16th virtual BCC meeting at 130 PM.

   Mariano

   34:23Move to continue time certain.

   Mariano

   34:26Oh motion by Commissioner Marion to continue. Second by Commissioner Starkey. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

   Oakley

   34:33Um I just wanna state for the record it was june sixteenth, twenty twenty. It kind of cut out on her audio for the record. District one, uh Commissioner Oakley.

   Oakley

   34:41Aye.

   Oakley

   34:41District three, Commissioner Starkey. District four, Commissioner Weightman. District five, Commissioner Mariano.

   Mariano

   34:48Aye.

   Oakley

   34:50To Chairman Mariano.

   Mariano

   34:51I motion passes five zero. Items five uh six and seven are on the consent agenda. Madam Clerk, do we have proof?

5. 5Jun 16, 2020
   Board of County CommissionersP8Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   ZONING AMENDMENT (CONTINUANCE) (CONSENT) - Little Lake Thomas … on Approximately 45.52 Acres

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6. 6Jun 30, 2020
   Board of County CommissionersP13Public hearingApproved

   ZONING AMENDMENT (CONTINUANCE) (CONSENT) - Little Lake Thomas … on Approximately 45.52 Acres

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   Approved Staff’s recommendation including the addition of attachments missing from SIRE by roll call vote with Commissioner Oakley absent from the vote.

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   Mariano

   1:04:26I motion passes for zero. Now the X item I might pull was P13. Yeah, P13. Um Little Commission P U D and it was because um Ms. Will Height represents the um developer, had some questions for the team. I think she's on the line now, if I'm not correct. I did see her earlier. There she is.

   1:04:50So Ms. Wilhai, I will go ahead and let you speak.

   1:04:56Your m your your m mic is muted. We can't hear you now.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:04:59Right.

   Mariano

   1:05:01How about

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:05:01that?

   Mariano

   1:05:02Barbara

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:05:03Heights, 6327, Grand Boulevard, New Portie, Florida, 34652. Actually was just trying to get recognized. I have eight items on and for some reason I'm not being recognized for any of those items. So there's some glitch going on with the county administration. So um I don't have anything particular to say to this item. I do I I can see and hear that there's some issue with paperwork, hopefully uh sharing with staff. They told me this morning there was an issue with paperwork and they had to get that in place so that this item could be go

   1:05:33forward and get approved.

   Madam Clerk

   1:05:36Commissioner Yeah. Please

   Mariano

   1:05:37go ahead and

   Madam Clerk

   1:05:39Um Ms. Wilhite needs to be sworn in.

   Mariano

   1:05:43Okay. Go ahead and we'll we'll swear in.

   Madam Clerk

   1:05:47Sorry about that. Um do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth, so help you guide. I do.

   1:05:57Thank you.

   Mariano

   1:05:58So she had obviously uh just to restate what Ms. Will had stated, you know, she wants to make is this paperwork in order now for her items that way um if this is approved. Um it does not have to come back obviously because of any mistakes. Breakfast white.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:06:17That was my question.

   Tampa Bay Times

   1:06:23Can

   Mariano

   1:06:23somebody?

   1:06:27Let this yeah.

   Madam Clerk

   1:06:29We have the paperwork, yes.

   Mariano

   1:06:31Okay, so the clerk's office does have the paperwork. Okay.

   1:06:40Any other questions from um the applicant's representation, Ms. Wilhai?

   1:06:47Okay. Okay, we're good.

   1:06:53We can go ahead and do this for a vote. Honor to vote.

   1:06:58So moved. Doggets. and a motion by commissioner wells a second by commissioner mariano madam clerk please call the roll

   Madam Clerk

   1:07:06District three, Commissioner Starkey. Bye. District four, Commissioner Weightman. District five, Commissioner Mariano. Aye. District two, Chairman More.

   Mariano

   1:07:17Aye, motion passes 4-0. Thank you.