PDD-21-0225

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1. 1Mar 4, 2021
   Planning CommissionP8Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   An Ordinance Amending The Pasco County Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan; Providing For A Plan Amendment (Regular) - CPAS 20(02) Meadowbrook – Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment To The to the Future Land Use Maps (Map 2-15 Ad and Sheet 20) Changing From from RES-3 (RESIDENTIAL-3 (Residential-3 DU/GA) To to COM (COMMERCIAL) On Approximately (Commercial) on Approx. 1.67 Acres Of of Real Property Located On The at the Southwest Corner Of of State Road 54 And and Meadowbrook Drive; Providing For A Repealer, Severability, And An Affective Date. Drive. (Public Hearings: LPA: 3/4/2021 at 1:30 p.m., DC/Hybrid; BCC: 3/23/2021 at 1:30 p.m., NPR/Hybrid)

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   Denise

   24:08Thank you. So I think we're gonna ask a couple of questions on this one. On this particular next item, we've got items P8 and P P9. P8 is the comprehensive plan amendment and P9 is the companion rezoning. We do have several folks that have signed up to speak on both items. We also have an email. um of objection to be read. It's three pages. So when I start reading it, I'm gonna ask that I be timed on that. So just

   24:38wanted to ask the chair and the Planning Commission members what's how how do you want to handle the item?

   GreyChair

   24:47Okay. Well the applicant's present, correct? Right.

   Denise

   24:51The applicant is virtually present. We do have two objectors at the kiosk as far as I can tell. I will double check for that as well. And we do have an email to be read into record and we have several folks who are on WebEx to speak in opposition to the item also.

   GreyChair

   25:14Okay, um this applicant has not requested extra time, is that correct?

   Denise

   25:20The applicant has requested extra time. Ms. Wilhite has been granted 15 minutes of time. And Mr. Press Pressman has been uh has asked for 12 minutes of time and that has been granted as well.

   GirardiVice Chair

   25:34Denise, Mr. Chairman I want to make sure Denise's question was answered. Are you asking whether the funny To open up the public hearing for both items at the same time. Is that what you're asking the chair?

   Denise

   25:47Yes, David, that's what I'm asking. I I don't I don't know if we should like ask for objections on P eight and ask for objections on P9 because they're basically the same objection.

   GirardiVice Chair

   25:57Does does the applicant have any objection to us opening up the public hearing at the same time?

   Barbara Wilhite

   26:03The applicant does not.

   26:07I think that's a better way to handle it. Should do the public hearing. The to combine the public hearing for both items.

   GirardiVice Chair

   26:15That would be the pleasure of the chair if he wants to if he's okay with that.

   GreyChair

   26:19Yeah, I mean I I think it makes sense to could deal with both of them since they're related, um, at the same time, if we can. Um so my question about time is Uh d would Barbara uh want to reserve her time? Do you respond to the people that are gonna speak against it or have questions? Or would you like to make some comments to begin?

   Barbara Wilhite

   26:43So Mr. Chairman, that's a very good question. Uh this is Barbara Will Heights. I think your staff both you have two staff members, you have Amy Heiler and Christina Acostas, and they have their presentations. I think the the best way to order this would be allow them to each do their presentations, one on the comp plan, one on the zoning, and then open that up for public comment and then I can present And in rebuttal. My presentation is combined as well. It's just one presentation that addresses both lands and zoning.

   GreyChair

   27:12Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. All right. So Amy?

   Todd Pressman

   27:19Mr. Chairman Mariano.

   GreyChair

   27:21Yeah.

   Todd Pressman

   27:22Uh sir, my name is Todd Pressman. I'm representing residents and neighbors in the area. Um we would much prefer to hear what the applicant is presenting. The residents need to be fully at the speed, and with all due respect, that is the normal, typical manner in which the applicant then has a chance to revive.

   GreyChair

   27:40Sorry, but we're we're the applicant has an opportunity to choose when they like to speak. That's our tr that's been our tradition, so that's the way we're going with it. So uh you must already have in mind what you have objections to, so um there's really no reason to go over that again. So we'll we'll give you all your time to speak and ask questions. And then Ms. Wo Hide I'll have an opportunity to uh respond to each and every one of your questions.

   Todd Pressman

   28:07We appreciate your consideration. Thank you.

   GreyChair

   28:09Thank you. Amy?

   Amy Heiler

   28:13Hello, hi, Amy Heiler here with uh Planning and Development. And once the slide starts I can get started.

   GreyChair

   28:31Who's following you, Amy? I didn't get the

   Amy Heiler

   28:34What is it?

   GreyChair

   28:34Who do they say was gonna follow you?

   Amy Heiler

   28:36Christina Costa.

   GreyChair

   28:37Oh okay. Christina Costa.

   Denise

   28:40Okay, I was sharing my screen, so let me try again. I I'm I know there's a delay, but let me let me try again.

   Amy Heiler

   28:46Yeah, we do see the PowerPoint. You do, okay.

   Denise

   28:49All right, great, thank you.

   29:01Do you have what you need, Amy, or you can't see the screen?

   Amy Heiler

   29:04I can see the slides. We can use this, but it hasn't like officially started, so it's just the normal PowerPoint program.

   GreyChair

   29:11Yeah, we're just seeing the cover sheet.

   Barbara Wilhite

   29:13Oh

   Amy Heiler

   29:14okay.

   GreyChair

   29:14All right.

   Amy Heiler

   29:15Yeah when you press that button on the bottom it didn't pop up as the PowerPoint. So we're still looking at the slides.

   Nadine Ferguson

   29:21Sherman.

   Amy Heiler

   29:22Yeah.

   Clerk

   29:31While we're waiting, can I just swear everybody in who plans on speaking?

   GreyChair

   29:35Sure, that's a great idea.

   Clerk

   29:37If you plan on speaking on the items today, could you please raise your right hand? Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is a true so help you God? And just say th yes.

   Jennifer Robertson

   29:52Yes.

   Clerk

   29:53Thank you.

   Denise

   30:05Okay, so it looks like you're seeing just individual slides for whatever reason. I'm not sure why you're seeing it like that. Um let me do It just moves on to Can you see it now?

   Nadine Ferguson

   30:16Yes.

   Denise

   30:17Okay, fabulous. All right, so now I'm gonna probably have to go through the entire Thing to get you where you need to be. Mm-hmm.

   30:31All right. Is this where you want to be?

   Amy Heiler

   30:36Yes, thank you very much. Um okay, so item uh P8 is gonna be C Pass 2002 in the name of Meadowbrook. You can uh slide.

   30:49It's uh item PDD 21-0225. It is a small scale comprehensive plan amendment. Slide.

   30:57The proposal for this small-scale comprehensive plan amendment is to amend the future land use maps 2-15 and sheet 20 from Res 3, residential 3 dwelling units per gross acre to Calm Commercial. It is located at the southwest corner of State Road 54 in Meadowbrook Drive. And the amendment or to this, the resolution to this proposal is as stated as follows: amend the future land use map 2-5. 15 and sheet 20. There is an accompanying rezoning to C2 commercial district that'll follow after

   31:27this citation. So the comprehensive plan consistency, these are the following policies that the proposed amendment is consistent with. I do want to go through them in detail. So policy flu 162, location for commercial development, how the comprehensive plan states. It says Pasco County may allow comprehensive plan amendments to Calm commercial future land use designation only under the following conditions. And so there's three conditions in this set that the

   31:58uh proposed amendment must meet to allow for a commercial development or an amendment to calm. So in this case, the first uh condition states that it must be located At an existing collector and arterial roadway. State Road 54 is an arterial roadway, and Meadowbrook Drive is the intersection that is going to be your clowny collector roadway. And so after through some of the uh conversations and research that we had, just to be clear, intersection is as stated.

   32:29Um, I confirmed with F DOT on how they define intersection as well. And it's in essence an intersection. Any types of roadway that do intersect, bisect. Um, it's not necessarily county collect or arterial. It actually just has to have that intersection. And I do have the definition if necessary. Um, oh, I have it right here actually. So how FDOT defines it is uh multiple different ways. It says an at grade connection or crossing of a local road or state highway with a state highway. So Local road being

   32:59the southern portion of Meadowbrook and State Road 54 being your arterial or state highway. Then there's also a conventional quote at grade intersection being three legs, four legs, or multi-legs. In this case, we have four legs. And then also the third definition is areas that include not only the physical area where the roadways cross each other. But also the area upstream or downstream of physical interaction, meaning where the driver interacts with that intersection. So, with that

   33:29being said, based on that definition and the arterial and collector status of Meadowbrook Drive and State Road 54, it meets that condition. The second condition states that it may not detract or it shall not distract from existing TC town. Center. So what this means is actually our town center flu designation. We have a town center flu designation out by Curly Road. That's the only one that's existing right now. So in this case, it does not detract from our TC town center

   33:59flu designation. And then the third one is it shall not proliferate strict commercial development. In this case, it's at the southwest corner of Meadowbrook Drew. Drive in State Road 54. It won't proliferate strip commercial because it is uh to the to the south of it. There's like a little canal or a hydrological feature. So it won't end up going strip southern and to the um uh east, it's going to Uh I'm sorry, to the east, it's Meadowbrook

   34:30Drive. So Meadowbrook Drive, it cannot extend past Meadowbrook Drive because of the roadway segment, so it won't proliferate strict strict commercial there. And to the east, there's only about three properties that are adjacent to this property along State Road 54, and then you have your storage unit and wetlands. And it's a category one wetland, so you can't develop past that as well. So it will not proliferate strip commercial. So in its simplistic form, with that one policy

   35:00that allows for an amendment to calm, it Meets those three criteria, which is why we're we're moving forward with this. With the other policies, the next slide you'll see the transitional land use. Policy flu 143 provides us with the foundation to address proposed comprehensive plan amendments and identify whether it would be considered a suitable transitional land use adjacent to. To following other transitional or other land uses that are existing.

   35:31And so in this case, the abutting res the abutting land use would be considered residential three or res three. The proposed amendment would be COM. As you see, there is a plus sign in this table, which basically means it can be a compatible transitional land use, but it does have to have sensitive site design, so in additional buffering and whatnot. And then in uh as a companion to this policy, we also have policy 144, which establishes the buffering requirements for residential

   36:02properties. And in this case, it directs the LDC to establish those adequate buffering standards. And so adequate buffering standards will be provided on this site given the LDC code. So slide please.

   36:20And then these are going to be some of your visuals. So as you see, it's located in the South Market area and urban service area. Next slide. And it is at the southwest corner of Meadowbrook Drive and State Road 54 is highlighted. Slide.

   36:38Its existing uh zoning is AR Agricultural Residential or AR1 agricultural residential. It is being uh proposed to rezone to C2 a general commercial, which you'll be hearing that next slide.

   36:54And the existing future land use as you see is res three um and the proposed amendment is to commercial. That's like

   37:05And with that, we do recommend that the local planning agency find this amendment consistent with the policies identified in the comprehensive plan and approved the Board of County Commissioners. If you have any questions or

   Chris Williams

   37:17anybody,

   GreyChair

   37:18go ahead, Chris.

   Chris Williams

   37:19Amy, is the uh the the two parcels immediately to the west? Are those residences?

   Amy Heiler

   37:26Currently one's a resident that's for sale. Um, and then the one next to it is a resident that is active, and then the one right next to it is an office. It's already zoned PO1 office. Okay.

   GreyChair

   37:39The and I have a question, Amy, that the Thing that looks a little bit like a road. Is that just an easement behind the property?

   Amy Heiler

   37:47The s the diagonal portion

   GreyChair

   37:48itself,

   Amy Heiler

   37:49that's actually like your canal or or hydrological feature that's there.

   GreyChair

   37:54Gotcha. Okay. Any other questions from anybody?

   37:59Hmm. And I guess not. Thank you, Amy.

   Unidentified speaker

   38:02You're welcome.

   GreyChair

   38:04Okay, who do we have next?

   Denise

   38:13Mr. Chair, did you want us to do the presentation for the following item? Is that what you want us to do?

   GreyChair

   38:19Yes.

   Denise

   38:20Okay, thank you.

   Christina Costa

   38:28Good afternoon. This is Christina Acosta with Planning and Development, Current Planning. This is the companion rezoning to the CPAL that Amy just presented. It's PDD 21-7516 in the name of Kitty Campus University Inc. The request is for change in zoning from AR1, Agricultural Residential District, to a C2, General Commercial District. The property is located on the southwest corner of the intersection of State Road 54 and Meadowbrook Drive.

   38:59The site is currently undeveloped and contains approximately 1.67 acres. The applicant proposes to develop the site in conformance with the C2 General Commercial District standards for development. The site has been reviewed by the Long Range Planning Division and was found to meet the location criteria of Comprehensive Plan Policy Flute 1.6.2 for commercial development because of its location at an intersection of an existing arterial roadway, State Road 54, and an existing collector roadway, Metterbrook Drive.

   39:32Comprehensive Plan Exhibit 2-2, traditional land uses, general guidelines, states that the commercial uses are appropriate near residential areas with special consideration to buffering and screening. Pursuant to flu 1.4.4, residential compatibility, buffering standards between residential and non-residential land uses. At the time of site plan review, the site will be subject to additional screening and buffering conditions exceeding. meeting the minimum requirements of the land development code. On March 23rd, 2021, the Board of County Commissioners

   40:02will consider comprehensive plan amendment CPAS 2002, amending the future land use of the subject site from RES 3, residential three dwelling units per acre, to Calm Commercial. If the subject opening is approved, it shall not take effect until the companion C Pass is adopted by the BCC and the appeal period has ended.

   40:23And this is just a visual showing the surrounding zoning. It is all the adjacent neighbors are zone PR1. And then on the north side of State Road 54, you have an MPUD, which is entitled for a multifamily development. And then two lots to the west, you have a professional office. And as Amy pointed out, there is a high a water feature, a canal located. adjacent to the south of the property. And the the next slide is going to show the current future land

   40:53use, which is Res3, but as as we know, we're the companion rezoning or the companion C Pass would change this future land use to Calm.

   41:05And the last slide is showing your access from State Road 54 and Meadowbrook Drive. And this is going to come to you with a recommendation of approval from the Planning and Development Department.

   GreyChair

   41:15Thank you.

   41:18I have a question. Anyone else got a quick question. Oh,

   Christopher Poole

   41:22yeah, great. So Christine, could you speak to the buffering requirements that you mentioned a little bit? That was my more detail for the residential properties.

   Christina Costa

   41:30So the the additional buffering requirements would be at the consideration of the person who's charged with reviewing the site plan. So we we don't have a site plan at this time, so we we can't put, and it's also a Euclidean rezoning, so we can't put any specific uh conditions on there. Right. They they would be required to do whatever the uh the site reviewer felt was appropriate for the site based on the adjacent residential neighbors.

   GreyChair

   42:00Okay. And is that that is that handle at a public hearing meeting or is that Is that uh Uh conference. Yeah, a separate conference. That those decisions.

   Christina Costa

   42:11The site plan review would not come to the Planning Commission or the Board.

   Chris Williams

   42:17Could you go back to that intersection photo, please? You had a photo of the intersection.

   42:24Like the last one you had up.

   42:30Is that a that's a four-way intersection I could see. Is there a signal light there?

   Christina Costa

   42:35There is a signal.

   Poole

   42:40Christine, I I guess going back to the buffering, I mean, isn't isn't the buffering outlined in the land development code under section?

   Christina Costa

   42:48Yes, there is buffering out outlined in the land development code, but uh based on the uh compatibility requirements of the flu, it would be subject to additional buffering at the discretion of the of the site plan reviewer. So I can tell you what the minimum requirements would be. They would be over and above that. And as we saw to the south, there's um there's the the natural water buffering as well.

   43:28Okay, so a residential to a C2 would require a uh a 10 foot wide buffer. Single row of trees, maximum 60 feet, continuous row of evergreen shrubs, and no more than 30% of the landscaping could be grassed. And then In addition to that, there are specific restrictions to how far a structure or a driveway could be located to a residential lot.

   GreyChair

   43:57Okay, any other questions?

   44:01Okay, hearing none. Thank you, Kristen. Appreciate that. And If we could now uh hear from the Members of the public?

   Denise

   44:13Mr. Chair, how would you like to handle this? Um I we do have a letter to be read into record. Do you want to start with that or how how would you like to um approach that?

   GreyChair

   44:24Yeah, we could start with we could start with that. So we need to let you know when three minutes is up.

   Denise

   44:32Yes. Um let me first start by saying if you want me to read the letter, um let me just first start. It's gonna state who it's from and then we can start the um the clock if that's all right.

   GreyChair

   44:42Okay.

   Denise

   44:43Okay, so um the letter I'm going to be reading into record is from a gentleman by the name of D W. Douglas Grant. He is a Meadow Group Estates resident who resides at [address removed]. And I will start reading the letter now. It states, I oppose rez rezoning the two parcels, subject parcels at the southwest corner of State Road

   45:1454 and Meadowbrook Drive Lutz, Florida from agricultural residential to C2s. The following describes my understanding of the current circumstances in opposition to rezoning. Understanding of the circumstances. The subject parcels 29-26-18-0010-50-0580 and 29-26-180010-50-0590 are currently vacant and zoned agricultural residential, consistent with the zoning of adjoint adjoining

   45:44parcels and other parcels future east, southeast, southeast. And southwest. The adjoining and surrounding parcels are part of a residential community informally known as Meadowbrook Estates. The residential community of Sierra Pines is further south and southeast of Meadowbrook Estates. Meadowbrook Drive is a sole northern entrance to both the Meadowbrook and Sierra Pines communities. I understand that the rezoning application seeks new C2 zoning, but the applicant does not specify specify an actual process. Proposed land use. Consequently, we assume that the parcels

   46:14could be used for any type of C2 business, including relatively high impact land use. If the parcels are resumed as requested, I consider high impact uses to be developments that create excessive noise or traffic and or generally not conforming with nearby land use. High impact use might include a child care daycare facility. The current owner of the subject parcels, Kitty Campus University, Inc., could conceivably apply to the county to construct a large child daycare facility at the parcels if rezoned. The county rejected that land

   46:44use before, but the landowner might try again to construct the daycare after achieving C2 zoning. Surface water drainage from the subject parcels is south to a creek that Traverses Meadowbrook Estates. Water in the creek flows 0.2 miles southwest to a floodplain and wetland, which is adjacent to many homes. Surface waters at the floodplain and wetland recharge the underlying aquifers and eventually flows to tributaries of Anclote River. Why I oppose the brief zoning, nonconforming land use and potential environmental

   47:15risks. Many of the TC2 land use is bottom. Sales or garage, car wash, candle, child daycare, but starkly contrast with the adjoining and surrounding residential development. Certain C2 land uses could present an environmental risk to the surrounding community, such as dry cleaning, auto service, and a fuel station. Because activities of those businesses have a relatively greater occurrence of polluting soil and groundwater. It's possible that a chemical discharge from a C2 development at the subject parcel. Could pollute the soil, creek, floodplain, wetland, and aquifers.

   47:45There are many homes along the creek and floodplain, and many animals depend on those natural systems. The people at Metaphor Estates and Sierra Pines depend on private wells for potable water and irrigation, so polluting the aquifers would be devastating. There is no public water supply for those communities. Noise. Many types of sea to development might increase noise for the nearby homeowners. The distinctive noises from some C two businesses. Okay, we're done. Time.

   GreyChair

   48:11Thank you. Okay. Any questions concerning that reading?

   48:19Okay, so we'll hear the other public uh comments.

   Todd Pressman

   48:28Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, board members. I mean my name is Todd Pressman. I'm here representing uh

   48:45Point for you, if we could bring that up, please.

   Denise

   48:51Yes, give me a moment. Thank you.

   GreyChair

   48:59Just s just so you'll know, we're we're having a little bit of uh Or at least I am, having a little bit of difficulty hearing you but with that mask on, so You can choose to leave it on or take it off. But um It's just we're having a struggle here to hear what you're saying.

   Todd Pressman

   49:14Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So again, my name is Todd Pressman. 22nd Avenue South in St. Pete, Florida. I'm here representing working with the Sierra Pines community, the Meadowbrook Estates community, and many other nearby residents. Mr. Chairman Mariano and board members And I did did indicate, Mr. Chairman, that I had extended time, I believe ten minutes. Thank you. This rezoning application will be devastating to this community. It will literally destroy this community. Considering

   49:46a C two zoning, which is profiled by the uh kitty organization, but as you all well know, C two includes many intensive uses. So if we could go to my PowerPoint please.

   50:02Uh you're familiar with the site on State Road forty, next slide please.

   Denise

   50:11Todd, give me a second. I'm having some difficulties. Just a moment.

   GreyChair

   50:14No, no. Take your time, Denise. No pressure.

   Todd Pressman

   50:17Thank you.

   Unidentified speaker

   50:25Yeah, I just have

   Todd Pressman

   50:34Do you wanna try next slide, Denise, if you can please?

   Denise

   50:47Are you seeing the slide that says that says site? Is that is that not the slide you're seeing?

   Todd Pressman

   50:53I'm seeing yes, I'm seeing if we could move on to the next one, please. Okay.

   Denise

   51:11So you should now see a slide that says residential homes, residential homes. Is that what you're seeing? Yeah.

   Todd Pressman

   51:17No, it's the same slide, unfortunately.

   51:23Okay. A little closer view of the site. That's fine, we can stop there. So To draw this point home.

   51:31The site as indicated in yellow is surrounded by residential homes. Next slide, please.

   51:39And as a report notes, zoning is primarily AR one, which is low density. Next slide, please.

   51:47Future Danny's categories primary res three. You can see the entire area is res three as residential. Next slide, please. The zoning staff notes the surrounding area is characterized as residential development. That's very clear. Next slide please.

   52:02R three, the residential the intent of R three is to recognize those areas suited for single family detached residential development, which this entire area is. Next slide, please. Let's talk about past land use activity which has not been raised. Next slide please. A request came through for this property for a daycare in preschool.

   52:25in January eleven. That was denied seven zero by this bull.

   52:33the same request came through one year later for daycare and preschool and that was denied. So Mr. Chairman Board members, this board, some people may have been members at that time, This property was denied for a use that is far less impacting than what you're considering today. Mr. Chairman, board members, this request could allow a gas station operating on this property in this residential area. That would be nothing less than devastating to this community and this residential area. Next slide, please. Let's

   53:03look at impacts. Next slide. please be aware that this is the Meadowbrooks Estates plat. This location, both of these parcels, is inside and part of this plat and part of the subdivision.

   53:19Access is right in, right out on State Road 40. But they would have they are proposing a full access on Meadowbrook Drive. And there's submittal notes, the study assumes a reasonable access plan of a right in only City Road 54 and full access on Meadowbrook. That would be a tremendous infusion and impact of vehicles involved with all C2 activities. Next slide, please.

   53:46Policy official landings 1.6.4, neighborhood commercial uses, shall permit small-scale neighborhood commercials only in areas permitted for commercial development. Note number two, new neighborhood commercial uses shall not be located internally within existing single-family neighborhoods. And This commercial zoning supposed is located internal. Next slide, please. For their own numbers, they're looking at almost 2,500 daily trips, 165 in the peak hour AM and 208 in the PM, coming in both uh involved

   54:17with both those access points. Next slide, please.

   54:21Problematic uses involved, I told you already, is gasoline station. I believe that would include car washing, automobile washing, body and painting, barbecue stands, amusement facilities, contractors office, dancing halls. Next slide please. A long list of really problematic upsetting impacting and pieces that

   54:47Next slide, please.

   54:50We hired uh Patricia Artiz. Um, that report is in your files. We submitted that early, along with her resume. We had her look at this request. She is an AI C P planner, and she made some conclusions for us, which we want you to know. Number one is that the zoning designation, the log disturbless, long-established residential neighborhood character, make these subdivisions unique. These class recreated in the early 1970s while most of the running development occurred in the late nineteen nineties, early two thousand. Next slide please.

   55:20Looking at transitional land uses, she knows the commercial land use and zoning reclassification proposed does not provide a transition of use between the existing and well-established residential neighborhood. Mr. Chairman, I've been to the site. This hydrological condition is

   55:35a three or four foot wide little creek. Uh as I served on Swift Mont for eight years, one year as chairman, I would hardly call this any kind of substantial hydrolog feature. And quite frankly, it provides more

   55:50It does not provide a buffer for noise, light, or impacts of any kind. And for the staff to use that as a buffering element, we think is wrong in all respects. Our planner also tells you Residencial compatibility of buffer standards between residential and non-residential uses shall protect these uses but we just found out today that we will not even have input for any kind of review or consideration for the buffering for any kind of CT use. Next slide please.

   56:22Uh our planner, private planner, also notes the commercial zoning is proposed be located in turtle to the neighborhood, which I told you. Allowing this zoning will set a precedent for future commercialization of properties with frontage lawn fifty-four and within the Meadowbrook Estates neighborhood. Next time.

   56:40We also reached out to a real estate expert, which is also in your file.

   56:47That is Mr. Rene Carpina of Florida's first choice realty. He is a broker and founder of the company. He has determined that the approved applications will be a negative impact on surrounding residential value property values and will be much more impacting on those in the immediate area. Next slide, please.

   57:07He indicates there is no question in his mind that home values will be negatively affected and some seriously negative impact. By incompatibility, impacts, and inconsistency, and the loss of residential and suburban harmony. Next slide, please.

   57:24Planners private conclusions that is not consistent, it is in conflict with policies, and is it is incompatible with the surrounding residential designations. Next slide, please.

   57:36And also notes that this change has potential to be inconsistent, incompatible with the neighboring residential designated land uses as well. And would create would result in the creation of an isolated district. I think that's pretty clear from the land use maps and the zoning maps. Next slide, please.

   57:56Uh next slide please. Oh I'm sorry.

   57:59This is important. Neighborhood commercial uses under this policy shall be located collector arterial with preference given the locations at intersections. The subject property is not located at uh intersection and is proposed to be located internal to the neighborhood. Next slide please And next slide after that. So Mr. Chairman, next slide, please. There you go. Mr. Chairman, these are the closely located, abutting, and near adjacent owners. These are all owners who are opposed and are on petitions that have been submitted

   58:30to the county. Beyond that, we have submitted almost 140 petition signatures of residents in the immediate area who are absolutely, positively. against this application. And I have more to submit in the record today, which will take it to one hundred and forty. Next slide please.

   58:49So in summary The future land use categories and zoning categories are all residential in the immediate area. There have been repeated and much lesser land use applications that have passed that have been further denied by this board. There will clearly be significant and tremendous impacts in the residential subdivision under a wide-ranging C2 uses. We've got comprehensive policies and planners, private planners, conclusions of incompatibil incompatibility and inconsistency, and

   59:19there's tremendous neighborhood opposition. And I like to mention Mr. Chairman, board members, it was very, very difficult. Where's it? Is all with hearing today? to be on virtually or to be out here today. There was confusion where people were to go and how to sign up. But luckily we were able to get that writing for you. We appreciate your uh allowance took a little bit longer on this request and we're happy to answer any questions you might have. Thank you, sir.

   GreyChair

   59:45Thank you. Uh so before you step away, are there any questions from Madeus? Or or anybody on uh On the web.

   Poole

   59:54Mr. Pressman, I have one question. I I think in your presentation you made a comment or there was a point made in your presentation that said This property is not located at the intersection of a collector and an arterial?

   Todd Pressman

   1:00:06I I think that was an air. That was an error, sir. I'm sorry. Okay. Yeah.

   GreyChair

   1:00:12Okay. Anybody else? Roberto, anything from you?

   1:00:18No, sir. No. All right. We have any who's next to speak. Thank you very much.

   Chris Williams

   1:00:27State your name and address for the record.

   Nadine Ferguson

   1:00:29My name is Nadine Ferguson. I'm at 17550. Oh, sorry.

   Chris Williams

   1:00:36My

   Nadine Ferguson

   1:00:36earrings caught.

   1:00:40So sorry. My name's Nadine Ferguson. I'm at [address removed]. I'm gonna just speak to you since Mr. Pressman covered, I think, all the legal reasons is completely wrong. I will speak as a resident and the impact to my life. Um, I don't think you all can understand by looking at the aerial shots and the pictures how very small Meadowbrook Drive is. It represents the only in and out for many of us into that neighborhood. And I will say that this board before when we came before them

   1:01:10looking for help. With flooding issues, with traffic issues, It's not a county maintained road. We did privately pay that. I've paid for that. So I do not know how then we can call this a public road all of a sudden when businesses want to access it. The buyers of those properties, I welcome them to our neighborhood, but if you bought that as is, it was bought as agricultural, it's still agricultural. You should not have expected to be able to drop this in essentially what is my driveway. And I will say this again,

   1:01:40gentlemen, that road is about the size of a large driveway. I wish you could really see it. The buffer that they're talking about, the stream, I have hopped over it. It's that small. It is not a stream, it's not a big buffer. It is a small little dribble of water that goes across the street that occasionally floods our area. I want to just say, imagine if I drop this in your driveway, even if it's to the side, imagine the traffic that's going to block up your single lane access in and

   1:02:10out of your house. because that's what you'd be doing to me. So I ask you to please represent my community in this sense and do not approve these changes.

   GreyChair

   1:02:22Okay, thank you. Uh before you step away, any questions? Any questions? Mr. Chairman

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:02:29I have a question for staff, Mr. Chairman

   GreyChair

   1:02:31Mariano. I'm sorry, I should have asked you when you stepped up there, have you been sworn?

   Nadine Ferguson

   1:02:37Yes, sir.

   GreyChair

   1:02:38Okay, thank you. What was it, David?

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:02:41Um on the issue of the maintenance of that roadway, um the agenda memo says that it's a county maintained residential road. I just want to make sure that I'm asking staff whether that's With whether that's accurate given the representation that was just made. I'm asking staff the question, not not to speak

   GreyChair

   1:03:05Could the staff respond to that, please?

   Unidentified speaker

   1:03:11Hello, this is Stacy Burgess. From my understanding, it is a maintained. I'm looking at Pasco Mapper right now and it's saying that it's a road maintained by Pasco County.

   GreyChair

   1:03:22All right. Well we have a conflict of information here. Um State. So are we sure that that's a county maintained road or is are we just right now we're supposing or we're sure?

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:03:32Well I'm wondering if it's just if it's maintained only for a certain distance and maybe that's the source of the confusion. Do we know? I guess I'll ask Stacy. How do we maintain the roadway?

   GreyChair

   1:04:03Chris, did you gonna say something?

   Christina Costa

   1:04:05Yeah, I just I believe that the answer to that question will have to come from project management. So it and they're not on the line. So that's something that we'll have to research and have ready before the board. I I don't think beyond what we can see on on Map, we can know exactly at what point. the county stops maintaining it and and David's probably correct that that's the case.

   GreyChair

   1:04:26So that that's a that's a that's a pretty central uh

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:04:30presentation. I can address that in my presentation.

   GreyChair

   1:04:35Barbara, okay. All right. So let's go let's continue to move like we've been moving and then Barbara, that'll be one of the points you'll need to address, okay?

   Chris Williams

   1:04:45We have to do that.

   Sharon Honeywell Johnson

   1:04:50Hello, my name is Sharon Honeywell Johnson. I've been a resident of Middlebrook Estates for thirty years. Um

   GreyChair

   1:04:59have you been sworn?

   Sharon Honeywell Johnson

   1:05:00Yes, sir.

   GreyChair

   1:05:01Okay, thank you very much. And your address was again, I didn't hear the address.

   Sharon Honeywell Johnson

   1:05:05My address is [address removed]. They've been a resident of Metal Brook for thirty years. We have fought kitty daycare like the prior speaker back in 2011. I want everybody to realize that this is not going to be a daycare center. I do know what the intention of this property is going to be, which is a gas station car wash. The exit for this development is going to be on Metal Brook Drive. And nobody I think has addressed that to the board.

   1:05:36The entrance will be off of State Road 54, but you will have an additional entrance and exit off of State Road off of Metal Brook Drive. It is a single lane in, a single lane out. We have traffic backups now. We cannot even imagine allowing commercial use coming into there with the exit coming onto our little residential road. We for the most part maintain that road. The county maintains the first I think fifteen feet or you were when you first come in, but after that we have called

   1:06:06and complained about flooding, but they say it's not their their job to maintain our our neighborhood.

   1:06:14And the I know that the notice that is posted currently they never changed the date out there. You have James that lives directly behind this parcel that drove all the way out to Land Lakes Boulevard because it still has the February eighteenth date on it. We were all notified of the change of the date. But they never sent out a letter to this gentleman. He never received a letter and he is adjacent to this property, which I thought was the requirement for the petitioner to also do, which has not been done. We believe our neighborhood

   1:06:44has been fighting. Let's continue. Keep this residential. We cannot have any more traffic coming in and out at this intersection. We will not be able to get out.

   GreyChair

   1:06:57Thank you very much. Uh next.

   Chris Williams

   1:07:04That is all at the kiosk, sir.

   GreyChair

   1:07:07Okay, that's everyone? Okay.

   Chris Williams

   1:07:10All right, Barbara, I guess you're up. There may be people online, sir. There

   Denise

   1:07:14are speakers, yes. There are speakers online.

   GreyChair

   1:07:18All right. Who's first online?

   Denise

   1:07:22Um, I do see for this item, I do see Wanda Neal.

   GreyChair

   1:07:27Yeah. Wanda Neal, is that what you said?

   Denise

   1:07:30Yes.

   GreyChair

   1:07:31Okay. So we'll need her to be sworn, if not already.

   Denise

   1:07:37Yes.

   1:07:41So, Ms. Neal, if you can hear us, would you please state your name and address for the record and the clerk will swear you in?

   GreyChair

   1:08:03I'm not hearing anything.

   Denise

   1:08:04Okay, I see uh uh Ms. Stempion uh being on there as well. So Ms. Stempion, would you please state your name and address for the record and the clerk will swear you in?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:08:15My name is Jessica Stempion. I live at [address removed], and I have been sworn in. Uh good afternoon, commissioners. I want to make the point of flow through traffic for this item. Our neighborhood connects to Loot Slake Bern. concerned about the amount of traffic that will be cutting through to avoid traffic on Highway

   1:08:4654 or going in the opposite direction, trying to get to a new gas station or whatever other commercial use there might be there. Our Maryland has no sidewalks, no bike lanes, and that is a concern for safety to me. I am also a part of the Sierra Pines Coalition in our neighborhood where we have been working on flooding issues. Fine. canal,

   1:09:18it's the Sandy Branch tributary canal and I am concerned about the flooding impact from whatever gets developed on that property. I just wanted to make a point and point out to you all that Cut through our neighborhood. People do it all the time. You know, we are just two miles east of the south coast.

   1:09:44And then the Sun Coast light. And then there's a balantray light when you go further east on Highway fifty four. And I don't know if you're familiar with the traffic conditions of Highway Fifty Four along that stretch. I just believe that changing it to commercial use is going to further add to that traffic. We have buses coming in and out of our neighborhood. And like another speaker said that Meadowrook

   1:10:14is very small.

   1:10:17is going to lead to some safety concerns that need to be considered. And if we were to keep it residential, it would fit more with what our current conditions are. So I just wanted to make that point and thank you for your time.

   GreyChair

   1:10:35All right. Thank you very much.

   Denise

   1:10:38Okay, now we'll try Wanda Neal again. Ms. Neal, if you would please state your name for the record and your address and whether you've been sworn.

   1:11:02Okay, so we'll try then uh Jennifer Robertson, Ms. Robertson, if you would please state your name and address for the record and whether you've been sworn.

   Jennifer Robertson

   1:11:13I've been sworn my name is Jennifer Robertson. [address removed].

   1:11:26Um, I do wanna state that uh no one has mentioned the delivery trucks that would come and go from a commercial property. No one has really given a good example of how wide Metabrook is. Metabrook where the in and out would probably end up for that property. It is so narrow that if a car comes from a side street You

   1:11:57have to stop and wait for a an oncoming car so that you can make a turn because it's not wide enough for two cars. It would It is um maintained by the residents. It's news to anyone that lives there that our that when we have to pay for our our uh Road to be paved? Um, I don't understand where the county thinks that they're paying for it because it comes out of our pocket.

   1:12:29Um The there's just no room for commercial property on that intersection. I do not I do not believe that that is a collectorode. I think of a collector road as the neighbor the neighborhood, the residential properties come off of a side and then collect like um Ballantre or Bexley. Uh these residential houses lie exactly

   1:13:00and directly on that property. I am one of the ones that have contacted um James Collins about the meeting. Um, but he didn't get all of the information since I've been out of town. That the meeting had gotten moved. Um It it seems to be we're having to chase this meeting, which seems quite unfair to us. They're not changing their notifications. They're not

   1:13:30notifying the residents, uh, eva even directly um adjacent to the property. They're not putting the sign that's posted that's supposed to be posted. I took a picture of it just yesterday. It still says February date. So I don't see how You can continue um and agree that this this hearing this um meeting has been um publicized

   1:14:01Yeah, oh.

   1:14:04And h I don't understand how you can put a commercial right in our next door lot.

   GreyChair

   1:14:18All right. Thank you very much. And did we have one more person that wanted to speak?

   Denise

   1:14:23Mr. Chair, let's try one more time for Ms. Wanda Neal. Uh let's see if um I I I still see her on, but it doesn't show as if she has a a way of speaking. It doesn't show a microphone or anything like that. Um, so Ms. Juan Daniel, if you're there, would you please state your name and address for the record and whether you've been sworn?

   1:14:53Let's try this again. We do have a call in number and we've just unmuted that person, just in case it's Ms. Neil. Ms. Neil, would you please state your name and address for the record and whether you've been sworn?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:15:12Hello, can you hear me?

   Unidentified speaker

   1:15:14So those

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:15:15can hear Neil. Can you hear me? Yay! I'm so excited. Sorry. Hi, my name is Wanda Neal. I am a resident of Sierra Plains. I live at [address removed]. Um, I have been resident for seven years and um I I just like to state a couple of things. One, since my time here as a resident, I was not aware of the age of the subdivision. I didn't look into that when we purchased and I was not aware of all the flooding issues that we have been battling apparently long before I started. Um it's interesting that um

   GreyChair

   1:15:46before

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:15:46you

   GreyChair

   1:15:46continue just want to make sure you've been sworn.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:15:50Oh yes, I've been sworn, I'm sorry.

   GreyChair

   1:15:52Okay, that's fine. Go right ahead.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:15:55Sure. Um there have been numerous attempts and and as Jessica stated, Jessica Sempion stated, there has been a coalition that has been formed to try to help alleviate a lot of these issues, which she has been a big part of. And I thank you for those of you who have participated in helping us alleviate these issues. But as an older subdivision, we are not privy to a lot of the privileges that a lot of the newer subdivisions have, and therefore any time that they There is a new subdivision, they dewater. When they dewater, that water comes into us and it leads to more of our flooding

   1:16:26problems. Um, I've done some research about potential um uses. For example, if that were a gas station, there has been a study by John Hopkins University that shows that even the little drift. Um that people, you know, when you go to shake off the gas from your when you're pumping gas, those little drips seep into the concrete and that and those little drips c accumulate and in a ten year period of time, a huge amount of that water or of that of those gasoline Go into the groundwater system, um, including Ben

   1:16:56Benzopene. I'm sorry, I don't know if I'm saying it correctly, but it is a carcinogen. Carcinogen, excuse me. Since we are all um responsible for our own potable water, our drinking water, our you know, usable water, the water that our pests and our animals drink, that goes into our well systems, which trust me is a pain in the butt to con to maintain. pain anyway if you're not a scientist. Secondly, um I heard mention about the roadways and as the other speakers have stated, um it is a very narrow roadway. In fact many times

   1:17:26when they opened up um construction behind um Yeah, no, no, no. um the area north of us, I'm sorry, it would be to the east of us, um, where the little restaurants are, there have been trucks that have made a wrong turn and come into our subdivision and have had a very difficult time finding a way to turn around because there are narrow and small roads. Third, um, there are no other exits onto 54 for our entire subdivision, which is a pretty big subdivision. We only have that one exit. It's a a single,

   1:17:56you know, two-lane road, like right and left. Um, and there and it just recently was expanded to include the traffic light and a turning lane at the traffic light at 54. The other exit to our property is actually at the back of the property, and I think Jeff Jessica mentioned that. That is on Hillsborough County Road. It's a Hillsborough County property um zoning area. So They get no Pasco County taxes and so therefore they do not maintain that road whatsoever. That people come in off and dump and it's our residents that

   1:18:26are cleaning up that road. They do not maintain their spotholes and all sorts of things. The only reason that they are allowing us to maintain that or keep that road open is because we have um agreed to maintain it because it is the only exit way out of our subdivision. So God forbid there's a flaw. or a an emergency or a fire or the roads are blocked, we have no other alternative unless we try to fly away. So those are three main reasons I would love

   GreyChair

   1:19:00Okay, that beep was that the time. That was the time. Okay. Thank you very much.

   1:19:08Okay. Anyone else, Denise?

   Denise

   1:19:10Mr. Chair, that was the the last speaker that we had on our list that is actually on WebEx at the moment.

   GreyChair

   1:19:20Okay.

   Denise

   1:19:22You've heard from all the kiosk um Folks.

   GreyChair

   1:19:27Okay, so we can hear from the applicant now.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:19:31Yeah.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:19:32Mr. Chairman M

   GreyChair

   1:19:34Yes.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:19:35Before the applicant speaks, can we get her to confirm she wants still wants to proceed with rebuttal given the audio issues we're having with WebEx? I just want to make sure. Did she heard all the opposition?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:19:46Yes, I did and I'd like to proceed.

   GreyChair

   1:19:50Good. Okay. Thank you, David.

   Denise

   1:19:54Can you uh put our PowerPoint up? Yes I will. Just give me a second.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:19:59Thank you.

   1:20:06As Denise was putting that up, there's some I can address um comments. um questions that are I don't necessarily have a slide for, so I can start with that. We did follow all the county's notice requirements. The notices that are sent out were sent out as required by the county. The notices specifically state the times meeting dates contain. And so the responsibility is to contact the county or myself, because I signed the letters with my phone

   1:20:36number and email on them. Or you can obviously they can check the website and see that's been continued as well. We as far as um flooding goes. We would be happy to meet with the residents. Um the counties and our engineer and the residents. Um design has not started on this parcels. This would make it a perfect time to share information. So uh we would all kind of do that, done that in the past successfully um It's just focused

   1:21:06on flooding. And concerned about flooding, it can be productive. As far as the transportation issue. State um Meadowbrook Drive from State Road fifty four to Rainbow Lane, which is south of these parcels, is accounting maintained sixty feet of right away. I think the confusion that you hear is Because just because it's a county maintained road doesn't mean that that the residents don't get assessed a test for

   1:21:36improving it. So maybe they were assessed before for paving uh paving improvements. I think that's all over the news right now that are called banking. about that procedure. So I think that gets confusion when when when residents are pay paying assessment. Okay, it happens on kind of maintain roads, but all the records, I don't think there's any confusion, the records are just kind of maintained. We went through a substandard road review um in connection with this application. And staff looked at and

   1:22:06determined that the segments that our project would use of Meadowbrook is standard. And as it's been pointed out to you, the that intersection is signalized. There's a left turn lane, a dedicated left turn lane, as well as a right turn lane coming from Meadowbrook going north to State Route 54. We also want to finally a phasing review in connection with this application, which deals with the capacity of these roads and intersections

   1:22:37to handle the project traffic. And at the time of act at the time of site plan construction plan review, we have to go through the third review, which is the geometry of proactive management. So we will be going through that review.

   1:22:53Thank you, Daniel. Next slide.

   1:23:01So as you've heard, I'm just going to summarize a few things and just point out a few things um to give perspective. As you've heard from staff who did a very thorough job of giving you two very thorough reports. Um and I I put this presentation together not to duplicate, but just to try to bring some perspective to a few things. We're located in the South Market area, urban concentration area. this property fronts on State Road fifty four, a six lane arterial highway. It's located at a signalized intersection, approximately three quarters of a mile east of the Suncloth

   1:23:32Parkway. There are no other commercial uses at this signalize intersection. This is clearly an underutilization of the counties and FDOT's investments in infrastructure at this location. This is a six-lane arterial roadway, signalized intersection, and an intersection with a collector road, which has not been disputed now. I guess it's been admitted to. Staff's been very clear that the status of the roads. Um I think the neighbors clear that they're object to any use but residential.

   1:24:03This is absolutely not the place for residential use. I also want to point out think thinking about it, that if you do not place commercial uses at signalized intersections, then you put pressure on unsignalized intersections to become signalized. So totally uh a waste of a signalized intersection if you're not locating your not your commercial uses at that location. The property is currently zoned AR1. Oh, I got a

   1:24:32typo there, excuse me. An AR1, you can read what the description of that is. The important part of that is it talks about curtailing urban development in areas which lack facilities until such time as those facilities are available. So Even the very zoning district that's on this property, that's been sitting on this property, recognizes. that there's a a change in circumstances when infrastructure is invested in by the government. Water and sewer is

   1:25:03is right at this location and as I've explained, you know, what type of roadway we're talking about and what kind of intersection we're talking about. Conditions of change in all facilities. our at this location. And so I just you have multiple uh rezoning considerations. They're not criteria, they're considerations, but I put a couple of them there. Um as to what you would consider uh four and thirteen relative to Um Those considerations. Next slide.

   1:25:35What's kind of unique about this Comprehensive Plan amendment that I don't get to come before you and say very often is that there's a clear policy direction from the board adopted into the Comprehensive Plan that specifically directs where they want commercial land uses. This application strictly complies with that direction. The board weighs out the policy decisions of what should go where and prioritizing land uses. And they specifically said

   1:26:05this is a location when you meet this criteria that this would be a location where we want to see commercial. Not only want to see it, you're only can do commercial in these locations. So it's a it's a very interesting.

   1:26:21That has lots of specificity to it. There's three criteria. Staff have gone through it with you, the A, B, and C, and we meet all three of those criteria and it has not been disputed, that policy 1.6.2 has not been dis was not disputed in Mr. Pressman's presentation. Um Uh there is policy one point six point four that has been cited. I know Mr. Pitos is on the line and he certainly can explain uh we're complying with

   1:26:52one point six point two. Um we do not have to comply with 1.6.4 because we're complying with 1.6.2.

   1:27:01The subject property is the location for C two uses. And that I've I've did the re rezoning considerations that uh relate to that. C2 is clearly consistent with COM land use. I think I've said this to the Planning Commission before. When you look at consistency, COM C2. You know, they go together. You know, you could if you have a residential land use and you're doing certain things zoning wise, sometimes it's a question, but here C two is absolutely consistent with the comm land use. And quite frankly, maintaining an existing zoning of agricultural residential In

   1:27:31this location is is absolutely inconsistent with the comp plan. And that's why you have rezoning actions and that's why you have comp plan changes, because things change.

   1:27:43Next slide.

   1:27:47This complies as staff has told you with the with uh the transitional land uses. They've gone through that very clearly with you. With regard to the residential compatibility and buffer standards, I've I've I've um Listed all the LDC requirements, buffering, building height, lighting, on-site parking, stacking, loading outside of ref loading outside, loading, outside refuse storage, trees, landscaping, those all apply. And this isn't the first time we have ever had a commercial use next

   1:28:17to a residential use. They coexist often. And so the the code has already been written to address these concerns. With regard to the additional buffering discussion, I would be happy to work with staff and and And neighbors, the neighbor and uh to our South to add a deed restriction. to talk about what we can put within our buffer. You know. And we can have that conversation and added these restrictions. It's absolutely Um Absolutely

   1:28:48fine to do and reasonable. Next um Five.

   1:29:00This is a a quote from our um real estate experts. And what's if you compare it to the expert that Mr. Pressman presented to you Those are all conclusory statements that were made. But I actually want to read to you what this expert put forth because I think the facts that he puts forth here. put a lot of perspective on this location. So this is this is the expert, the real estate expert for the applicant. With regards to the value of the adjacent properties,

   1:29:32The three properties are located because we have three adjacent properties. The three properties are located located approximately zero feet, 180 feet, and 370 feet from a six-lane Arterial Highway and are next to vacant unmaintained parcels. As such is our professional opinion that the development of the subject property for C two uses would not result in lower property values. As for non-adjacent properties in the general vicinity, it is common for commercial uses to

   1:30:02be located at a signalized entrance to a neighborhood and is our professional opinion that the residential and commercial uses can coexist without creating a negative impact on their respective values.

   1:30:15With that, I think I I've responded to the different things that were raised. If I didn't address something, I'd be happy to. Um But we would ask that the um Planning commission sitting at the LPA. um make a recommendation that the comp plan amendment is consistent with the comp plan and then I think it's a separate motion required to make a recommendation um for the rezoning.

   Christopher Poole

   1:30:51Specific use of the future for the property is gonna be

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:30:55One minute.

   Christopher Poole

   1:30:56Sorry.

   1:31:00Okay. Barbara, can you hear me?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:31:02Something ask me now.

   Christopher Poole

   1:31:04Okay. There was uh discussion by the by some of the residents that the specific to the future use of the the property being a gas station. Is there any plan for future use that that that you could share with us?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:31:18So that isn't um a permitted use in C two, which has found been found to be consistent by your staff. So that is a that is a potential use.

   Christopher Poole

   1:31:28Do you have any uh are there any plans for your that your your applicant is is considering there? Is is gas possible use there?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:31:35It is possible. It is a possible use of the location. There are no when you you p you all have to think about this in your mind. When you're driving east on State Land fifty four and you pass Sunclift Parkway. You're going east on your right-hand side. You're driving along, you're driving along, you're driving along. You have to go all the way to Collier Parkway for there to gap. So this is It should be a location where you would have a convenience store with gas pumps.

   Chris Williams

   1:32:07Well I have a question, Peter Hansel.

   1:32:13Is there a the there is a there is a large, there is a significant jump between the agricultural current zoning for that area to a C2. And I think it's common knowledge that when you go to a C2, you open a a large variety of facilities that can go in there. And perhaps that's what the residents are concerned about, going to a C2. Is there a possibility that it could go to a C1, which reduces the number of commercial construction businesses

   1:32:44that go into that facility and may reduce the anxiety of residents there?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:32:51So my answer to that would be that they opposed daycare. And they clearly said to you today that they want it to remain a residential use. My other thing my other my other comment to that is that this is not a place to underutilize property. This is not a location to underutilize property.

   Chris Williams

   1:33:08I concur with your your logic and the fact that it's a f four way intersection and that it that it eventually will lead to some type of business going in there. That's a given because of the commercial uh Businesses like those faraway intersections like that. You brought that up. That's a extremely good point. But they also, I hear the residents have a concern on what can go in there. And that's why my concern is the C2. zoning for that area.

   1:33:38So I just that's how I feel about it.

   GreyChair

   1:33:45So I guess the question uh anybody else have any questions?

   Poole

   1:33:49Obviously this is a When it comes down to land use, it's always a a difficult use and and land use and zoning. Um I mean a lot of the points that were made today were Dwelled on the fact it is the intersection, it's a signalized intersection of an arterial and a collector roadway. Mm. I mean, from a planning perspective, I think it makes perfect sense. Um, a lot of the issues that were raised today for traffic, for stormwater. For pollution. All those items will be hashed

   1:34:20out during the design process, and that's important for everybody to know. Um, I mean, the stormwater concerns, the flooding concerns. When I look at it it's GIS for the known flooding problems, they're quite a bit south. Yes, they're within the neighborhood, but they're south of this intersection. And there are regulations out there and there there are things that the developers have to follow whenever they want to develop a piece of property. Um as far as, you know, design standards they have to meet. Um I guess the the only question that I have and and maybe this is for staff, but

   1:34:50when this use does come in As far as the landscape buffering Is the landscape buffering on the south of the property? What what standard would that fall under? I mean, I know there's an adjacent waterway to the south. So therefore are they buffering the waterway or are they buffering the residential use that's on the other side of the waterway?

   Saez

   1:35:12Mr Chairman M this is uh Brad Tippen Development Review Manager. I can speak to that. Uh thanks, uh Commissioner. Uh Essentially. What will happen is is until we actually know the use that's going to be there and we actually see a design layout that essentially will show us uh where structures may be on the site, where parking might be on the site, playgrounds if it's a daycare type of facility, other things

   1:35:43where those things are actually on the site, and where stormwater is proposed on the site, things of that nature. We would look at all of those items when we're when we're considering a buffer. And there's a basic buffer between uh and the Land Development Code between a commercial and a residential area. So they they're that the comprehensive plan requires that this actually have an increased buffer. So

   1:36:13what we would do is we take that basic buffer that's required between commercial and residential, and that is going to be there. Uh that's gonna be there all the way around the site, uh wherever the commercial abuts residential. Then we're going to look at what is actually physically on the design, what is where, and we're going to at that point say, okay, with this piece, to properly buffer, you're going to need to do these types of improvements. And we're going to have a kind of a unique plan

   1:36:44that will buffer the pieces that need to be more heavily buffered to make sure that those residential areas are at adequately buffered. Now we do that again based on this. This is a rezoning. So based on this zoning, we would do that same process for any use that were to come in here. Additionally, in that regard, the access management, I heard that was mentioned a few times with the road and people being able to get to and from the subdivision and traffic

   1:37:14and things of that nature. No matter what use comes into this site, the access management would need to be addressed at the time of those site plan reviews. If something is going to put more traffic onto these roads, then they may need to improve those intersections and make some improvements in that area to ensure that all of that can be done safely. So all of those issues are actually addressed at the time of site plan review

   1:37:45for any type of use that would come in under this zoning. And if for some reason a use comes in that can't meet the standards that we set for them in that regard, then essentially that use isn't going to be able to be there unless they put in some additional deed restrictions or something to limit their impacts or come back to this body for some form of rezoning to be able to work through those.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:38:14Mr. Taylor, can I ask Mr. Trippett a question?

   GreyChair

   1:38:18Sure, of course.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:38:19Um, Brad, could you address the public notices provided at the time of site plan approval and Yeah. Is it closing to weigh in on the site plan conditions or landscaping or Got the Thomas St. Plan approval.

   Saez

   1:38:36Yes, at the time of uh site plan review, uh there is a another notice that is required to the surrounding area based on code requirements. Uh and the individuals that would receive that notice would have uh a minimum of 30 days to contact the county and and make arrangements to look at the plans and see what's being uh being provided for and then they can also provide feedback at that time. Uh that

   1:39:06is one of the the opportunities that that still exists. I believe that uh Ms. Wilhite did say uh that she was going to or was willing to possibly meet with the neighbors ahead of that time, possibly even before a site plan would be submitted at all. To come up with some plans as to how to buffer those areas and some deed restrictions as to what could go in those areas. So some of those things may be addressed

   1:39:37with some of the residents ahead of time, even before it's submitted to the county for review. But even after it's submitted to the county, 30 days, a minimum of 30 days prior to any approval that we would offer. will be additional notice that would go out uh to those that are certainly abutting the property within a particular distance uh to to be able to see that information.

   Unidentified speaker

   1:40:00So

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:40:00Brad if you If a resident thought that staff's buffering was inconsistent with the comp plan Um could that be appealed to the Planning Commission?

   Saez

   1:40:11Absolutely. The first step that we would do is the resident may make comments to us during that review process after they receive notice, and we can forward those comments to the applicant. If the applicant is willing to address and look at some of the uh some of those concerns and maybe make some changes, uh that is certainly uh uh the applicant's prerogative. They they can do that. Applicant does not want to do that and everything else is within the requirements

   1:40:42that we're expecting of them, then yes, once we issue the approval, anyone can appeal the decision if they believe that we applied either a comprehensive plan policy or a land development code element incorrectly.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:41:00That answers all my questions, Mr. Chair. Thank you.

   GreyChair

   1:41:03All right. Thank you, David. And uh Um thank you, Brad. Um Anybody else have

   Christopher Poole

   1:41:11any

   GreyChair

   1:41:12questions?

   Christopher Poole

   1:41:13I I've got one more comment that I think it's important to 'cause I mean we heard I think from uh at least Ms. Robertson and and Miss Neal, I believe, about the seems to be uh conflict between maintenance of the the road, the county or or public. They clearly seem to think that they're they're paying for maintenance of the road, so That's something that should be reconciled before it it goes beyond us.

   GreyChair

   1:41:35Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:41:36Mr. Chairman, this uh can I speak?

   GreyChair

   1:41:40Yes,

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:41:41please. This is Emir Jamali, transportation planner with Planning and Development Department. I just want to confirm Middlebrook Drive is a county maintained road from SR-54 to half mile south of SR-54.

   1:41:58And this is a 24 foot wide rod and the piece advantage of the subject parcel has been recently resurfaced and it is in a good shape.

   GreyChair

   1:42:11Okay, so how far do you maintain it from fifty four? Half mile,

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:42:16half mile.

   GreyChair

   1:42:17I have a mile, okay.

   1:42:21Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate that information. Proper. And that clears that up. So otherwise it's a county maintained road for half a mile.

   1:42:32All right, that's my understanding. Is that right, Res? Thank you very much, Amir. Um

   1:42:40Yeah, my I mean my input is basically that um Yeah, in trying to I've tried to always put myself in the r position of the Both property owners, the residents and the person that wants to develop the property. It's always a balance of Of a property rights and uh I'm a strong proponent of property rights. But I do think that uh we need to provide some kind of protection from For the residents. that live in that area. They're

   1:43:10very, very close to this property and uh And I certainly wouldn't want Um people walking back and forth from a seven eleven, for example, to Yeah, to my home. walk across my property or I know how that how that gets. I um deal with that all the time. So um Yeah. I would like to make sure that that if it's voted to be approved. That's right. Uh we We

   1:43:41agree right here and now today that That the buffer uh conversation is gonna come back before uh this board before any f any final approval. Otherwise. I wouldn't vote to approve it unless there was at least a solid wall. between this property and the residential property. So that's my that's my opinion. Just sharing it with the board.

   Nectarios Pittos

   1:44:06Mr. Chairman

   GreyChair

   1:44:07Mariano. Well.

   Nectarios Pittos

   1:44:10Yes, Mr. Chairman Mariano. Mariano,

   GreyChair

   1:44:12yes, hey

   Nectarios Pittos

   1:44:13Terry. This is Terry Pizzo's planning and development. Um to bring the buffer yards back to the planning commission. W uh before any final approval could take Um very long time.

   1:44:28It's usually handled during the site plan review process as Brad had previously indicated. which follows the land use establishment in uh living establishment as well. Okay.

   GreyChair

   1:44:42Terry, I misunderstood. Then I thought Brad said that uh um if there's any disagreement between the property owners and the applicant that it would come back to the board for for consideration.

   Nectarios Pittos

   1:44:54During the site plan review process, there is the opportunity to appeal. And bring the actual site plan to the planning commission. At that point. Okay. All right.

   1:45:07Okay.

   GreyChair

   1:45:08Uh and c let me ask the applicant, d would the applicant have any objection to uh putting up a solid petition between uh this subject property and the residential properties. That you know of?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:45:23The B buffer, that's the minimum buffer, requires a um Six foot. Yeah, as I I'm trying to pull up the Yeah, requirements. Yeah again, I if if if we need to to sit down before now on the board and come up with a need restriction and go through this with staff, we can make it a minimum. Um and we can have the conversation again. Uh we we absolutely agree with you, with Chairman. I just a little hard to do it on the fly. But um absolutely agree with you that

   1:45:54approach buffering's important and the land the comp plan agrees with me that buffering's important. So we'd be happy to do that.

   GreyChair

   1:46:02Okay. Um All right, yeah, my you know my my vote would be not to approve it unless I know there's gonna be some kind of a solid buffer between the The property answer. Let me see

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:46:15if I can let me see if I can get an answer here.

   1:46:20So

   GreyChair

   1:46:21I understand I understand, Barbara. Yeah, take take your time.

   Saez

   1:46:24Uh Mr. Chairman, this is Brad Tippen. I I can maybe speak a little bit further to that if you like. Hey

   GreyChair

   1:46:30Brad. Yeah, go right ahead.

   Saez

   1:46:32Uh yeah, the the type B buffer that would be required, uh it requires a six-foot-tall opaque visual screen uh at a minimum. And like I said before, uh the Mm the comprehensive plan, because this is a commercial use in this area, very specifically says that. go above and beyond that standard. Uh so it would be perfectly reasonable for us to at the time of site plan uh review to request that this be a uh a

   1:47:02wall and also that it be anywhere uh from six to eight feet, depending on on what would be visually appropriate uh in the area. Uh again, until we actually have the plan in front of us, it's difficult to tell where some of those things would be. necessary um because uh a wall is often unsightly as well. Uh so you know there there may be a place where where certain types of combinations of landscaping are more appropriate and there may be places where

   1:47:32other features such as walls would be appropriate. But until we actually have that design down the road, uh we can't necessarily say what that would be and what would be appropriate where. So that's that's why we like to go ahead and do that. And then we can allow the appeal process to proceed after the fact, uh, if indeed the neighbors disagree with the way that we applied that.

   GreyChair

   1:47:54Okay. Yeah, I'm I'm doing one I'm doing one right now where where we're requiring a green wall. Basically it's a wall with a W you know, that with growth on it. So it it's always green. But uh Barbara, did you say something?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:48:07Yeah, I can add to that. You know, I w in looking at the type B The type B requires screening to six feet at installation or within one year. But it allows you a variety of ways to do it. And I think this is what you're getting at, Chairman. It allows you to have a pig fence, wall, berm, or hedge. Some combination of those. So it sounds like what what you're asking is supposed to be to do the opaque fence or the wall so that we actually have a barrier and not just a landscape or

   1:48:37barrier that somebody could go through. And so again, I we can do a deed restriction that says, you know, we do a fence Or a wall. Again, we can kinda work on that exactly which one is best and not be on the fly. But I guess I get the point which is that you want to see something more than landscaping there and we're agreeable to that.

   GreyChair

   1:48:58Yeah, because I I know how that happens with people hanging around a a convenience store. you know, walking across people's yards and it's just not It's not appropriate, so I I think we have an obligation to protect The residents there was and still give the landowner an opportunity to develop his land properly. Obviously he's not going to build a house there. Yeah, it's not appropriate for that either. So Um is a as I say, it's a balancing act and I think it's our responsibility to make

   1:49:28sure that we try to balance the interests of all parties. So Uh Mr. Chair Correct.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:49:34Text a question. So

   GreyChair

   1:49:37sorry, David. Yeah, go ahead.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:49:38Yeah. Um so what you're asking for would require a deed restriction, as Barbara mentioned. Are you comfortable with staff working on that deed restriction with the applicant between now and the board meeting, or did you want to see the deed restriction? Before you vote on it. That's really the question.

   GreyChair

   1:49:56Is that a question to me or to Barbara?

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:49:59Well to you and the planning commission because What you're doing because if you want to see the derestriction first, you'd have to continue the item. If you're comfortable with staff and the applicant working on it between now and the board. That's it. Just let it proceed.

   GreyChair

   1:50:16Um, I'm comfortable with the staff uh working on it, but if the residents, you know, have a have a strong opinion or don't agree, then I wanna make sure we have an opportunity to Take another bite of the apple.

   1:50:33Otherwise. I'd like to see what it is before it's Work goes to the commission.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:50:39Well I think If they're not happy with that, I mean I guess it's possible the board could remand it back to the Planning Commission. Um If there's a disagreement over the D restriction, but Control. Planning commission as to how you want to handle this. If if

   1:50:57You can either d continue it until you see that deed restriction or you can let it move forward. Student and staff will work out that issue with the applicant.

   GreyChair

   1:51:07Okay. Um well let me see what kind of emotion that we can get from the from the board here.

   Christopher Poole

   1:51:12Well one one question before that, Mr. Chair, if I if I could. So David, that continues to be under the zoning amendment, correct? So we could let the uh the comprehensive plan amendment go forward and continue the zoning amendment. Is that what you're suggesting?

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:51:28Well, I'm not suggesting anything. You could let them both go forward. I'm just but yes, to answer your question You you the deed restriction would not be Part of the complaint amendment. It would be part of the zoning. So yes, you could let the Com Plan amendment move forward. And and hold back and continue the rezoning if you wanted to.

   Christopher Poole

   1:51:49Okay, I can make a motion. Sure. Okay. I'd make a motion to approve the uh the comprehensive plan amendment as presented.

   GreyChair

   1:51:59Do we have a second?

   Poole

   1:52:02Amy Gerardy, I'll second that.

   GreyChair

   1:52:05Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any further discussion on the motion?

   Chris Williams

   1:52:08Well my only concern is I hear the words. Request Nothing compels The developer. to do any action really, 'cause request is not an action word for the most part. Once we approve this. To a C two.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:52:27Well to be clear, he he he did not make a motion on on the rezoning yet. He only made a motion

   GreyChair

   1:52:33amendment. This is not the rezoning. Well that's the next thing we gotta deal with. Okay. So if there's no further discussion, Let's vote by roll call. All in favor signify by saying aye. Nay, in opposition.

   Clerk

   1:52:51Jamie Giordi. Aye. Peter Hansel?

   Chris Williams

   1:52:54No.

   Clerk

   1:52:55Roberto size.

   Chris Williams

   1:52:57Hi.

   Clerk

   1:52:59Christopher Poole.

   Chris Williams

   1:53:00Hi.

   1:53:01Chris Williams? And Chairman Charles Gray.

   GreyChair

   1:53:11Okay now um

   1:53:14About the uh Um the actual rezoning itself. Uh we need a motion to either continue or Um Or approve that motion. Did I understand it? Is that right, David?

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:53:31Yes, you would either continue it or move for approval. Or denial, one of those three.

   GreyChair

   1:53:37Or deny him.

   1:53:40Okay. I hear a motion.

   Chris Williams

   1:53:46I'll make the motion to continue. Yeah.

   GreyChair

   1:53:50Okay, we have a motion to continue. You have a second. I second. We have a second. Any further discussion of the motion?

   Poole

   1:53:59And just for clarification that the request is for The applicant to come back with a deed restriction for the buffering requirements. On the property? Is that right?

   GreyChair

   1:54:12That David, that's that's right, correct?

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:54:14Well, uh yes, if that's the Planning Commission's direction to the applicant, then you're continuing it so that you can see that eat restriction. Then yes, that that would be the reason for the continuance. You do need to state how long you want to continue it though. Is this thirty days or to win?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:54:29So if I could jump in as the applicant, we are agreeable to a continuance. It looks like your next planning commission is March twenty fifth, which is three weeks from now. Um so that's plenty of time for us to diligently work on a deed restriction. And if for some reason we still weren't there, you could continue it again. Um but we asked for Tuesday twenty fifth.

   GreyChair

   1:54:52Sounds good. Bay.

   Poole

   1:54:55The only thing I'd like to add to that is I I think just for clarification, we're talking about the buffers on the west and the south side of the property, correct?

   GreyChair

   1:55:02Yeah.

   1:55:07Originally I was thinking of all four sides. I just wanted to make sure the waterway at the south wasn't easy to position.

   Saez

   1:55:15Mr. Chairman, can I uh comment briefly?

   GreyChair

   1:55:18Yes, yes, sir, Brad.

   Saez

   1:55:19I I apologize. This is Brad Tippen again. Uh in regard to developing a deed restriction, uh to really do that effectively, uh it is going to require uh some level of a knowledge of what use is going to go there again and and what the site design may be. Uh, to really have the best. uh the best use by by actually going in this direction, you may un uh unwittingly uh tie our hands

   1:55:49as staff into a particular type of buffering. When the final design comes in, may not be what would be best for the site. Uh we can we can certainly pursue that. I would also just like to know that uh uh however whatever timeline you're looking at as far as the continuance does allow us. To meet on this with the applicant and the neighbors as necessary. Uh, and also allows us enough time to get that documentation into the various

   1:56:20systems for public notice that we need to, civic folks, et cetera. We have some deadlines for uploading documents. Uh, so I don't know how quickly we can turn that around. I would say at the very earliest, it would be. uh the next hearing in Dade City uh in April. to be able to meet all the deadlines that we would need to meet, possibly longer.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:56:43There's April Four. Do you say the April first, is that yeah there's March twenty fifth or April first. They're one week apart, interestingly enough. Um, you guys have your meetings one week apart. But I would I would just say a couple of things we can do, Brad, is we can work on minimum language. We can always put the unless otherwise approved at the time of site plan in case we get it wrong. I mean, I think there's different things that we can do. I mean you can hear I want to work this out. I agree with the the comment. And and

   1:57:14um if it's April first as opposed to March twenty fifth, that gives you more time, let's do that.

   Saez

   1:57:21That that would that would be preferable uh for for our team.

   GreyChair

   1:57:26Okay. All right. So um I would say uh I would ask for a motion then. For somebody to mo make a motion that we continue it to the April first meeting.

   Chris Williams

   1:57:39I am in the motion to April first.

   GreyChair

   1:57:41Okay. And the motion is amended to April first. And we s have a second. Who is the second?

   Chris Williams

   1:57:48Chris seconds whether it was me

   GreyChair

   1:57:50or uh Roberto's

   Chris Williams

   1:57:51Roberto did too.

   GreyChair

   1:57:53Okay. Well we got a second and a third, so we're good.

   1:57:58Okay. All right. So we have a motion. We have a second. Any further further discussion of the motion? All in favor of the motion signified by roll call, aye or nay as as you wish.

   Clerk

   1:58:11Jamie Giardi. Peter Hansel. Roberto Sides.

   Chris Williams

   1:58:17Aye.

   Clerk

   1:58:18Christopher Poole.

   Chris Williams

   1:58:20Hi.

   Clerk

   1:58:20Chris Williams.

   Chris Williams

   1:58:21Aye.

   Clerk

   1:58:22And Chairman Charles Gray.

   Chris Williams

   1:58:24Aye.

   Denise

   1:58:29Okay, Mr. Chair, just for clarification and for everyone who's listening, um the um continuance date is April 1st, 2021 at 130 in Dade City.

   GreyChair

   1:58:40You got it. Okay, thank you.

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   Approved to continue the item to the April 20, 2021 BCC Meeting in New Port Richey at 1:30 p.m. by a roll call vote.

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   StarkeyVice Chair

   5:58Item P forty nine was published in the Tampa Bay Times on January twenty-seventh, twenty twenty one.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   6:06Sure.

   Amy Heiler

   6:15Good afternoon, Amy Heiler with Long Range Planning. Uh the matter that you see before you is PDD twenty one-two two five. It is the adoption hearing for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment in the name of CPASS 2002 Meadowbrook.

   6:35Slide. I can do it. Yeah, cool.

   6:55Okay, um since this is the adoption hearing, I'll go ahead and read the ordinance into record. An ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan, providing for a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps, map 2-15 and sheet 20, changing from res 3, residential 3 dwelling units per gross acre to COM commercial on approximately 1.67 acres of real property. Property located on the southwest corner of State Road 54 and Meadowbrook Drive, providing for a repealer

   7:25severability and an effective date. So the proposal before you as stated is requesting an amendment from Res 3 to Calm Commercial located at the southwest corner of State Road 54 and Meadowbrook Drive. There is an accompanying rezoning petition that was heard at the LPA and PC that was previous that is continued now to April 1st. So you will hear that shortly.

   7:51With the comprehensive plan that's being proposed, we evaluated the policies in our comprehensive plan that allow an amendment to calm and identified these as being consistent. So I'll go into detail with respect to those policies. So location for commercial development allows for an amendment to calm. In our comprehensive Of plan, there are three criteria that are specific to allow for an amendment to commercial. Um, the proposal

   8:22must meet all three criteria. In this case, a location for commercial development should not uh prohibit or impact any TC future land use. The only TC future land use that is in the county is on the east side of the county, so it's not going to retract from that. Um, a detract from that. Yeah. Uh town center. Town center future land use. And then the second one is going to be it cannot proliferate strip commercial. I do have a visual visual in here of the zoning district. So where the property

   8:52is located is along State Road 54 and Meadowbrook Drive. It is at the southwest corner of that sorry. It's at the southwest corner of that intersection. And so proliferating strip commercial, where the site's located, there's two residential Parcels that are to the west, and then an office parcel, as well as an existing storage facility, and then a Catwan wetland. So it can't proliferate outside of that criteria. Um, and then it's adjacent to uh Meadowbrook, so it can't go past the roadway.

   9:22There's also a creek that is to the south, so it's not going to proliferate south from that as well. Um, and then the last criteria is that it needs to be located at an arterial and an uh Our arterial and collector roadway intersection. And so where this is located is at Meadowbrook Drive. The north segment of Meadowbrook Drive is classified as a collector roadway, and State Road 54 is classified as an arterial FDOT roadway. So with the definitions from FdoT, that it meets

   9:52the criteria as being defined as quote an intersection. The second is neighborhood commercial. It also meets the criteria for neighborhood commercial, which in essence is the same, but it limits neighborhood commercial to allowing it along an arterial or collector roadway instead of it being at an intersection. And then transitional land use policy flu 143 speaks to allowing or implementing a Proposed amendment within the area and

   10:22ensures that those land uses are accurately or transitional between each other. And so the next slide will show you. This is our transitional land use table, and as you can see, commercial land use of proposed land use is adjacent to an existing residential three land use. It's classified as being compatible with the As a transitional land use, however, it does need to have sensitive site design. With that being said, the property owner, the applicant, has agreed to doing a deed restriction

   10:52to enhancing buffers against the residential uses. And so here's your location. As you can see, it's in the South Market area and urban service area. It is located at the southwest corner of Meadowbrook Drive and State Road 54.

   11:11And this is your existing zoning, as I stated before. Uh the existing zoning is agricultural, and then the two parcels that are to the west are still agricultural as well. You have a PO1, which is an office use, and then your existing storage, uh budding a category one wetland, which as you know cannot be developed in.

   11:34And the uh visual for the proposed future land use to calm um from res three.

   11:41And so just to give you a little rundown of what happened at the local planning agency back in March 4th, so they found that the proposed comprehensive plan amendment is consistent with the policies set forth in the comprehensive plan. They did recommend staff to continue the rezoning petition because they were going to develop a deed restriction on that. So that was continued from March 4th to April 1st. And with that, we recommend that the board find the Comprehensive Plan amendment consistent with the

   12:11Comprehensive Plan and adopt by roll call vote. I'd be happy to answer any questions that you may have.

   Moore

   12:19Any questions? Thank you. Yeah, what do w what do they want to put there?

   Amy Heiler

   12:23Uh, we don't have a specific use right now. They're just going to commercial. They're looking to get commercial use. At this point in time we don't regulate the uses at the comp plan level.

   Moore

   12:33Right.

   12:35Is it known what they want to put in there?

   Amy Heiler

   12:37For us, no. I I do not have that information personally.

   Moore

   12:41Do we have people signed up to speak on this item? Oh yeah. Yes, we

   12:44have to do that.

   12:44Okay, this is a bit more. Okay, this is the one I think we're gonna hear about what they're looking to put in there.

   OakleyChair

   12:56speaking for some of the uh citizens in that area. I've given uh Todd Pressman twelve minutes to speak. And uh then there's other individuals I think sign up to speak. Gotcha.

   Amy Heiler

   13:08Yeah. Yeah, at this time we just review the policies in the comp plan to ensure that it meets those criteria. So

   OakleyChair

   13:14Yeah. Okay. All right. I guess we need to hear from uh The applicant would like to speak or

   Barbara Wilhite

   13:24Mm Commissioner Oakley, 6327 Grand Boulevard, Newport Ridge, Florida, three four six five two. Um what I'd like to do, I think um Amy Hiler's presentation was very thorough, going over the comp plan consistency. Um what I'd like to do is if you may, we could go ahead and listen to public comments and then I can come back and present on rebuttal. If not, I'm just gonna duplicate a lot of what Hiler just said. Um I think that's the best way to present. And I would as as

   13:54the discussion we just had. is this is the complan level rezoning we still have to go to back to um Planning commission and get their recommendation and then come back to the board, probably the better time to discuss specifics regarding the zoning at a property would be at that time. Um but of course in rebuttal when I present I'm happy to answer questions as well. Is that an acceptable procedure, Chairman?

   OakleyChair

   14:19Yep, that'll be fine. So

   14:23So you have some to be read in.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   14:26I have um a couple of individuals on WebEx. I do have uh nine emails to be read in. Um one, two, three, four so four on WebEx. There were s uh five, however the indiv one individual is at the kiosk, my understanding. But there were a couple other people who registered, but they're not on WebEx.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   14:49Um Mr. Chairman, I would suggest you take the WebEx and kiosk testimony first. And then do the red and

   OakleyChair

   14:58then do the read

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   14:59in ad work in case they've decided that they want it appear live rather than cutting the stuff red into the extra. Right. Okay.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   15:07Yeah. Okay, so uh WebEx first then? Yes. Okay. Uh the first um registered um citizens we have is Douglas Grant.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   15:23Yes, I'm here.

   OakleyChair

   15:24Okay. Name and name and address for the record.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   15:28I'm Douglas Grant and I live at [address removed]. I have a presentation and if the can put that up for board please.

   15:45Okay.

   15:48Thank you for the opportunity to speak about environmental conditions. Next slide. I'm against the proposed comp plan amendment rezoning because it will likely lead to development that can create environmental risks that affect groundwater. This neighborhood relies on groundwater as the only source of drinking water. We have no alternate sources. Next slide. I'm qualified to speak about environmental impacts. I have degrees in environmental science and pollution control and extensive experience. I live in Meadowbrook

   16:18estates near the subject parcels. Next slide. I request that the board seek the truth about the pending commercial development. It is vitally important for the neighborhood to know the facts about the development at that location because certain land uses, especially pollution sources, will threaten neighborhood's well-being. The Kitty Campus Representative has not been forthcoming about the development. A reliable source says Kitty Campus has arranged to sell the property to a gas station developer, and Kitty Campus has made misleading statements

   16:49suggesting a need for a gas station there. Next slide. There are three gas stations within one mile of subject parcels developed under starkly different circumstances compared with the subject parcels. And all three gas stations have environmental compliance issues, and the two two closest gas stations are relatively new. Next slide. You might know that all fuel stations have chemical releases. You might not know that leaks occur from the very equipment designed

   17:19to protect and contain leaks, and many discharges happen during delivery and dispensing. This is important because a moderate sized gas station can receive multiple fuel deliveries a week and 2,000 vehicles daily. Next slide.

   17:36This is a conceptual site model showing the media that will be impacted by fuel mixed with stormwater at the subject parcels. As you can see, all surface fuel discharges at the site can affect groundwater. Brownwater is the sole source of drinking water at five adjacent homes and the rest of the neighborhood. Next slide. This is a site model for fuel discharges from underground systems. Again, discharges profoundly affect groundwater. Next slide.

   18:07The state of Florida and Pasco County have common sense rules to protect public potable wells, but the rules do not protect the hundreds of private wells of Meadowburger States. We need the county to apply common sense by not allowing development at this location that can lead to contamination. Next. If the county does not act to protect us, then we might seek broad relief from Kitty Campus, the new property owner, the site developer, and the site operator. Next slide. Especially because Kitty Campus

   18:37and the future property owner can avail themselves of many types of land uses that do not include pollution sources, we need the county to emplo Those limitations now. Next.

   18:50Thank you for your time. Thank you. Next.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   18:56The next uh registerant we have is Patricia Ortiz.

   19:04Um hi there. My name is Patricia Ortiz and I'm here to speak in opposition of this request on behalf of the Meadowbrook Estates and Sierra Pines neighborhoods. Ms. Ortiz, we need your address for the record, please. Oh, I'm sorry. My address is [address removed]. Thank you, ma'am. Okay. So um and I'll just kind of jump right into this. While lot 58 is on the periphery of the neighborhood fronting State Road 54,

   19:35lot 59 is wholly inside the residential neighborhood. And I feel that that is in direct conflict with future land use element Goal One, Foundation for Growth Management, which specifically

   19:54I also feel that it's in conflict with Objective 1.4, which seeks to ensure the long-term viability of neighborhoods by regulating future development. Policies 1.4.3 and 1.4.4 address transitional land uses and residential compatibility. And require that the county evaluate comprehensive plan amendments to ensure that the

   20:24transitional land uses are provided as a buffer between residential and non-residential uses. Um As staff noted, objective 1.6 speaks to non-residential development and seeks to provide criteria. We feel that this petition does not qualify as commercial infill because one of the two characteristics of commercial infill

   20:55requires that the The site does not set a precedent for further strip commercial development because either the site is surrounded by existing built commercial development or geographic features which would prevent the commercial development from encroaching into the neighborhood. In this instance, commercial infill does set a precedent for further strip. commercial development because all abutting uses are residential

   21:25and uh there are no geographic features which would prevent the extension of commercial uses into the neighborhood. Um

   21:35I'm trying to keep it short here, but in conclusion, I would like to state that the area residents oppose this petition because it seeks to allow unrestricted commercial general uses, which will extend into their established residential neighborhood. Their primary concerns are associated with compatibility. Neither the petitioner nor staff has addressed concerns. categorical or precedent setting. And we feel that approval uh will allow a

   22:05a myriad of general commercial uses to be located adjacent to this long established neighborhood without mitigation for use, uh that it will negatively impact residential property values and that's a significant concern because the uh primary Or or maybe the single largest investment of the average person overtime is on a phone. With that, I'll conclude it. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

   OakleyChair

   22:36Thank you for your comments.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   22:39Thank you. The next citizen is Danielle Walker. Please state your name and address for the record.

   22:55Oh she's not on you want it. Okay.

   OakleyChair

   22:58Okay, go to the next person.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   23:00Okay. Uh the next uh citizen is Beverly Camp.

   Beverly Camp

   23:08Um hi, my name is Beverly Camp. I'm at [address removed]. Um I don't have labor presentation for you. I'm just um voicing my for the neighborhood that I've lived in since nine. Um I believe if the lot at the beginning of the neighborhood is zone commercial, it's going to create detrimental traffic getting in and out of the neighborhood as that's the only entrance and exit that's viable that we have. And I also do have a concern for my children and my pets in the neighborhood

   23:38as we have no sidewalks at all in our neighborhood and that's just gonna create traffic and danger for my family. Thank

   StarkeyVice Chair

   23:45you.

   OakleyChair

   23:45Well thank you for your comments.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   23:49That um is all that has been uh pre-registered for P forty nine. And that are on.

   OakleyChair

   23:55Well I have um

   StarkeyVice Chair

   23:57sorry.

   OakleyChair

   23:57Todd Pressman.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   23:59Um the he's at the kiosk, is my understanding, is that correct? Right, so we're gonna go to kiosk next. That's all I have for Webb. Thank you.

   Todd Pressman

   24:09Mr. Western Georgia, [address removed]. Can you hear sir?

   OakleyChair

   24:17Could he repeat his name? Uh Todd, could you remove your mask because uh it's hard to understand what you're saying. Thank you.

   Todd Pressman

   24:25Todd Pressman, [address removed]. Can you hear me okay, sir?

   OakleyChair

   24:32Yes, sir.

   Todd Pressman

   24:33We give up top. I do have a PowerPoint for you. Brother comes up, let me tell you that your lobby is basically filled with a bunch of supporters.

   24:45Please don't. All your constituents. I'm Mr. Chairman Mariano for the Metal Estates community

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   24:52and

   Todd Pressman

   24:53Sierra Pines community and many other nearby residents. Next slide, please.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   24:56What could

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   24:57you

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   24:57do?

   Todd Pressman

   24:58Two critical points. The applicant at the planning is zoning portrayed the citizens and neighborhoods as not wanting anything but residents. That is not correct. But the applicant or contracted proposed owner, Mr. Jallo, is an avid gas station developer, as we understand it, and C-Store developer. Our opinion, our surmise is that the targeted use under the cloak of a C2 zoning and under ownership of Kitty Campus is a gas station, C-Store, or other more intensive uses. And you should know that the P and Z vote was a mixed vote of four to two. Next slide, please.

   25:32The comm future land use you know contains many, many possible uses that are incompatible and inconsistent. Once you vote today, commissioners, you open the barnyard doors. for gas station sea storm, car washing, body paint repair, mechanical garage, and drive-through fast food restaurants. That's your vote today. And the uses that would be permissible. Next slide, please. Some other uses are automobile washing, kennels, poultry and seafood stores, retail sales as well. Next

   26:02slide, please. Character of the mediary. Next slide please.

   26:09Uh we're at state fifty four in Meadowbrook. Next slide, please.

   26:14And next slide, please.

   26:18As pointed out, this site is within the subdivision and is surrounded by all residential homes. Next slide, please.

   26:28This is the Plat Metter Book of States, as you can see as part of the plat, it also enters and is becomes an integral part of the subdivision. Next next slide, please.

   26:39The character of the area is rural suburban, as you can see from these pictures. Next slide please.

   26:48And next slide, please.

   26:52Commissioner, what's interesting in the middle of this picture is you see part of the style of the home which is abutting this property. is a barnyard architecture. Next slide please.

   27:03That should give you a good idea of what this neighborhood and community is like. Again, this style of architecture is abutting the the uh subject property. Next slide, please. So the entire area on the side of the road is res 3. Next slide. The entire area. Next slide. Which your zoning staff says recognizes those areas suitable for single family detached residential development. Next slide, please. And the zoning in the entire area is A R one, which as you know is a very low density. Next

   27:33slide please. Past land use activity. Commissioner Oakley this yet. Next slide. In two thousand eleven A request came through which is equivalent to a C1 use and was denied by your P and Z, denied 7-0 for daycare and preschool. Then they came back roughly a year later. Next slide, please. For the same request. It was denied by staff and again denied by the P and Z. Next slide, please. So it's very curious and

   28:04it's a very good thing. Quite frankly, we are amazed that your staff and PRZ PNZ denied a C1 use twice, but now they're suggesting an approval for C2, which seems to be out of sync and out of character. Next slide, please. Impacts. Next slide, please.

   28:22Um the materials entered into the record by the applicant show one access on State Road fifty four and a full access on Meadow Brook Drive. Next slide please.

   28:33And per their numbers, that would be twenty four hundred, almost twenty five hundred daily trips, hundred and sixty-five in the AM peak, and two hundred and eight in the A in the PM peak hour. Next slide, please. And that's the applicant's uh math and their figures.

   28:48The

   28:48P and Z rationale was very interesting because all the P and Z wanted to do was to add some buffering and consider the natural stream buffer. But there's as you've already asked, Commissioners, you were already at the speed that there's no choice of use or activity here. How do you provide buffering and buffering for use that hasn't been determined and could be any of the CT uses? It's a case of the cart way before the horse, and unfortunately your P and Z did not do well with this vote. Again, was the split vote. Next slide, please. And

   29:18this is the famous stream. This is the famous creek. that your staff and the applicant can partially rely on as a buffer. You can hop over it. A lot of the small women and girls could hop over this thing. Furthermore, being an open area with water, it doesn't provide a buffer. If anything, it creates more less of a buffer and less of a noise element between properties. That is the residential home directly behind the subject property. Next slide, please.

   29:46This is what the site looks like as compared to the nearby residential. If see, if you allow a complan amendment today, this is one particular use that can go in. Next slide, please.

   29:57How do you buffer this? To a rural suburban neighborhood. Our conclusion that you can't. And by the way, Patricia Ortiz who spoke, she is our private planner. We hired her. I'm going to go through some of her points. But the point is, in this community, you can't buffer like your PNZ wants to do for all the uses that that that could occur. Next slide, please. Comprehensive plan policies. Next slide, please.

   30:24Patricia Ortiz, who spoke before, is a uh established planner and her resume is in the record. She notes that the zoning and land use established residential neighborhood character make these subdivisions unique. The plants recreated in the early nineteen seventies and most of the surrounding development occurred in the nineteen nineties, two thousands. Next slide, please.

   30:43Comp policy 1.6.4, new neighborhood commercial uses shall not be located internally within existing single-family neighborhoods. Says it all because this will be. Next slide, please.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   30:57Good at all. Yeah, probably.

   Todd Pressman

   31:00Policy one point four point four the county shall protect resident uses from sensory intrusions of adjacent uses. Could you imagine a fast food or restaurant? Belching out hours and hours and hours of dinners and steaks and hamburgers that is gonna destroy this neighborhood, let alone an auto mechanics uh garage that would be handling tigers and major repair and or a drive-thru restaurant with a speaker box or a convenience store that's open twenty-four-seven, the noise, the lights and people hanging out and attraction. Next next slide

   31:30please. Policy one point four point three. Ensure transitional uses are provided as a buffer. Commissioner, ensure transitional land uses. As a buffer. Your P and Z only looked at the actual buffer. This comp plan says you have to have land uses that act as a buffer, a nice office, quiet office or other neighborhood potential support uses between residential and non-residential designations. That is not occurring here. Next slide, please.

   Jody Riddle

   32:00That is not a role.

   Todd Pressman

   32:02Allowing this rezoning will set a precedent for future commercialization within Meadowbrook Estates neighborhood. Our opinion of our a professional planner. Next slide please.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   32:13Yeah.

   Todd Pressman

   32:13Yeah. And under those categories, particularly 1.6.4 commissioners, all of those standards must be met. Not cherry-picking one or two or three, but all of them must be met. I showed you already, it's our opinion that they aren't met. Next slide, please.

   32:31Negative impact on residential property values. Next slide, please. We engage a real estate broker and founder, Mr. Renee Carpina, and he has submitted a letter to you. It's in your record, but I'm gonna ask for it to be handed out again. He knows that the home values will be negatively affected in some cases. Property values will be seriously negatively affected due to incompatibility, impacts, and inconsistency between uses and the loss of residential and critically suburban harmony. Next slide, please.

   33:02Private planners collusion or conclusion is that it has potential that the use is and has potential to be inconsistent or incompatible or result in creation of an isolated district. Next slide, please.

   33:17Our private planner also notes it's not consistent. It is in conflict with policies to maintain neighborhoods, transition of use, limit strip commercial, prevent commercial development from locating internally, is not consistent nor compatible. Next slide, please.

   33:32Neighbors community opposition. We have 144 petition signatures in opposition. There's a bunch of nice people wearing red shirts here today that we're very proud of. Next slide, please.

   33:44These are only the closely located neighbors. As you can see from the site. Predominantly they are all opposed unanimously of the closely located neighbors. And that's in your petitions that you have in your record. I'm going to ask them to be handed off to you as well. Next slide, please. Remember the polymac uses that are going to pack this site under commercial. They're very dangerous to the community and will Will be a tremendous detriment. Next slide please.

   34:14So in summary The categories surrounding are residential, Repeat that land use applications in the past have been denied. A split planning and zoning vote dependent upon inadequate impossible denote buffering. We expect gasoline. Tremendous negative and damaging impacts, presented many comp plant policies, and there's tremendous neighborhood opposition. Mr. Chairman, I would ask that you would receive and distribute copies of all the petitions in the real estate letter which I have here to hand in to you, if you may please. Thank you.

   Barbara Wilhite

   34:44I I actually object to that. I object to that. I think.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   34:52She's allowed to do it.

   OakleyChair

   34:53Okay. Pleasure of the board.

   Barbara Wilhite

   34:56Well Barbara?

   OakleyChair

   34:59Oh go ahead. Go ahead, Barbara.

   Barbara Wilhite

   35:03So the board has very the very the board has very strict procedures in these hybrid um times about submittal of documents for the record. Um all of our documents that we wanted to be received and filed had to be submitted to you by five PM yesterday. staff has provided me with what has been was received by that time. These documents were not received by that time as far as I'm aware. So unless staff can let me know that these documents that we have were properly submitted, because I

   35:33was restricted on what I could submit. Unless they were properly submitted pursuant to procedures, I'd ask that you not receive and file them.

   Moore

   35:42Okay.

   35:45We sh we we received something th this morning, I don't we so I don't know.

   Todd Pressman

   35:51That was a resolution. That was a public hearing. All the petitions have been submitted to staff electronically prior to five PM yesterday. And they were a part of the planning and zoning record.

   Fitzpatrick

   36:02I think we have it.

   OakleyChair

   36:03If we've already got it then we don't need to receive it again. So

   Todd Pressman

   36:08Whatever's your wish, Mr. Chairman, thank you.

   36:12All right.

   36:15We have um supervising our You are muted

   Beverly Camp

   36:18you are muted, sorry.

   Todd Pressman

   36:19Mr. Chairman Mariano is the attorney chosen by um to uh work with us and coordinate on the legal side. Thank you. Okay

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   36:29Members of the commission, my name is Luke Lerot. My address is [address removed]. And I'm here wearing my hat as a land use attorney to talk about the issues that are before you today.

   36:43As my colleagues have indicated and I think the planning and zoning report that we gave you and the issues first brought up about the possible environmental impact. Of the conforming use that may or may not be used in this particular area. I think that's the biggest issue. The fact that there's no specific use identified really casts the whole application of a comp plan amendment on its ear. If you don't know what's going to be there, how can you establish whether it's going to be consistent with your view?

   37:14And I think the statutory requirement that this county may Sure, that whatever development takes place is consistent with the comp plan. Not knowing what will be put there makes it a complete crapshoot. And there's just no way that you can know that. Now, I know that Mr. Mr. Pressman said that these residents are not opposed to any development. They're opposed to the vast majority of the conforming uses that would be allowed there because those would have such a negative impact on not only on their property. property values but on their quality of life. And I've spoken

   37:44to a number of them, and candidly, what they've said was if it's a doctor's office or something else that wouldn't be open deep into the evening with noise and smoke and fumes and things of that nature, if it's a professional type of a development, there's no problem whatsoever. Nobody wants to deny the property owner of the use and benefit of that particular property. What they want to make sure is that under the guise of this very general requirement. request there's not a conforming use established there that would be allowed if you grant this today that would cause

   38:14permanent irreparable harm to their continued residency in that area. Now I I looked at a lot of the comp plan issues myself And I think without that specific designation of what kind of use will be there, I don't know how anyone can actually vote on this for the future. The one the ones that stuck in my mind were uh the

   38:38And there's no way to establish what mitigation would be necessary because you don't know what will be put there. My consideration and something that I had thought of as an attorney and I did hear it remarked before was that As part of this proposal, the applicant, from my understanding, is willing to place a restrictive covenant on the buffering requirements. It seems certainly within the province of what you can request and what the applicant can offer. Is that if you want to make sure that we don't allow

   39:08one of these adverse uses to be developed there, consider a restrictive covenant that will limit the many, many options available to only those options that would not have that negative and adverse impact on these residents. So that's certainly something that. you can s consider and you can ask for it. I think that if that takes place and there's sort of a give and take about what are we really going to be looking at that's going to be developed right up the cusp of our neighborhood. Maybe there would be no opposition. But the way it

   39:38stands is nobody knows what's going to be put there. That puts you in an awkward position because you don't know what's going to be put there. So to

   OakleyChair

   39:45Thank you for your comments. Your time stuff.

   39:50Uh we have someone else sign up yet.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   39:55This may be an opportune time. So Mr. Larot has uh indicated that it would be a Crapshoot. Mm you wouldn't you don't know what the use is. I'll remind you you are in a comprehensive plan hearing today. not a zoning hearing, you never really know what the land use is. You have to you have to see whether that future land use cla category is or is not compatible with what surrounds it. And

   40:26do and do an analysis of what could be there. Yeah, what all the category uh all the uses that could be in the comm category and is its placement in that particular area consistent with the neighborhood before you would vote to To approve or Or deny it. It but you never know in a comp plan hearing, you n you're never gonna know what the use is until unless the applicant discloses it to

   40:56you and sticks with it. But once you Once you put com on the site, anything that could anything you c that could go in com could be there.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   41:08Okay.

   Moore

   41:09Mr. Chairman Mariano. Clarify something with Mr. Steinsteiner then uh or might be planning staff. Um

   41:20Tell me about that office use. again, I wanted staff to say it or Mr. Steinsteiner, if it was office, just strictly office, that would be categorized as

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   41:35you could be you could have a a future land use of of what the O L

   Amy Heiler

   41:41Yeah, we can do if you do office use it would be OF flu.

   Moore

   41:44OF Flu,

   Amy Heiler

   41:45yeah.

   Moore

   41:46Okay.

   41:49So If you do it.

   41:54I was gonna say, well yeah, I was gonna say so the office is allowed in comm, but if you restrict certain types of commercial and just go to office, it's OF flu. Okay.

   Amy Heiler

   42:02Right. And then I also wanted to point out as well that even though uh an amendment to com, if you do approve that today, it's still gonna be subject to the uses in the zoning. So right now it's still AC zoning. So even if you approve it to COM, it still has to be compatible. compatible with the zoning district as well.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   42:22Um Ms. Chairman, are we done with the comments and is Barbara gonna present? I'm not

   OakleyChair

   42:27sure if we're done with them because you need to go back to the kiosk. Because I

   StarkeyVice Chair

   42:32have questions for staff, but I was gonna wait till

   OakleyChair

   42:34the presenter presents. Get all the comments first. Okay

   StarkeyVice Chair

   42:37emails.

   OakleyChair

   42:38Okay. Is someone else at the uh kiosks to speak?

   Barbara Wilhite

   42:42Yes, we have a lot of people, so I'm gonna send the next person up.

   OakleyChair

   42:55Name and address for the clerk.

   Sharon Honeywell Johnson

   43:00My name is Sharon Honeyball Johnson, [address removed]. Commissioners, I have lived in this neighborhood for 30 years. We have where we you know we have a large group of people here. We have been fighting as far as the development of this property. We would not be opposed to something like an office or something in that nation. But I do know firsthand I was called by the person that Barbara I believe uh represents and I was told that this was going to be a gas station slash car wash. Okay. We cannot

   43:30have a gas station car wash within our neighborhood. I do know that the three people that are adjacent to this property and two of them are here today, okay, um, never got notices of any sort about this property being uh rezoned and anything of that nature. We have two people here today that currently bought within the last six months, which will not have purchased if they would have known that this could be a gas station coming into our neighborhood. The side street for delivery trucks, gas stations. It's hard enough now when

   44:00somebody comes in, a UPS comes into the neighborhood to try to turn around because the streets are so narrow. Can you imagine thousands of cars, as they have already stated, that would be coming. In and out on the side street, that is the only way that we have to get in and out of our neighborhood. So I'm asking for the commissioners to please deny the comp plan at this time. Thank you.

   OakleyChair

   44:22Thank you for your comments.

   44:26Mm-hmm. Name and address for the clerk.

   Jennifer Robertson

   44:30My name is Jennifer Robertson. My address is [address removed]. And I'd like you to um look at the intersection using their map that they gave you. And the adjacent across the street. And all of the um The other at Ballantry and Bexley. The um

   45:00Is the double right road? They have gas stations there right across the street. There's no reason to have a gas station where we are. The new neighborhood that's being built right next to us is called Cypress Ranch. There is already planned to be commercial at that at that location. There is also a Free standing car wash. There's a gas station going in there. So

   45:31we don't need five gas stations within a mile?

   45:36Um

   45:39Also right at that intersection at the bottom half of that. There is a school bus stop. for elementary school and also high school and middle school. They but children, there are a lot of children in this neighborhood. Um any kind of any commercial. You're gonna have cars that are not only gonna stop in the business, they will go into the neighborhood and explore the neighborhood, which would be

   46:09a detriment to any of our kids. In the neighborhood.

   46:17I know that Um They want you to believe that our neighborhood that our road is wide enough. And just the same as the entrance to Bexley. It's just the same as the entrance to Ballantry. But I know that some of you commissioners, including uh Commissioner Starkey have been within our neighborhood and they do know that our neighborhood is very

   46:47much a rural neighborhood and we would like to keep it that way. Thank you.

   OakleyChair

   47:04Name and address for the clerk.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   47:07Jessica Stimpion [address removed]

   47:16I um have been a resident of Sierra Pines for over 35 years. I grew up on Woodfield Court, now raising my family on Wildwood Lane. Wildwood Lane is one of the main roads that people use to cut through our neighborhood from Highway 54. Do you And vice versa. I'm opposed to this comp plan amendment mainly because I feel like it's a safety issue for three reasons. One, we have no

   47:46sidewalks. Nor do we have room to put sidewalks. A lot of our residents use our roads for walking. Right, Bay. To catch the fight? I believe that Approving the comp plan amendment will increase The trap area. And put our residents at risk. You're not going to be able to do Highway fifty-four is the only access for emergency vehicles. get

   48:17to our neighborhood. They cannot access our neighborhood from Lutz Lake Vern, that Hillsboro County. I believe if you increase the traffic in this area, you're going to increase congestion and slow down emergency access to our residents, especially those in Sierra Pines. And three. Visibility is an issue at this intersection. It is way lower than Highway fifty four. In

   48:47fact, there was a serious accident at this interception last week. I believe somebody was airlifted, right? Increasing the traffic there is going to increase the potential for accidents. In fact, Commissioner Starkey proposed raising Meadowbrook Drive.

   Unidentified speakerVoice J

   49:06She's

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   49:06aware of that issue. We are not opposed. Like Mr. Preston said, to commercial development. We are not opposed to private property rights. We are asking commissioners to consider our safety and to deny this comp plan amendment. Thank you.

   OakleyChair

   49:25Thank you for your comments.

   49:31Name and address for the clerk.

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   49:33Hello, this is Mark Aglarte, [address removed]. I'm actually gonna be directly impacted as the site at hand is directly across the street from my house. I'm a father of a nine to seven-year-old, so you can imagine paying north of uh approximately $400,000 for a house to have a gas station or an alternate use put there is unfavorable and of course unsafe. Additionally, it'll set the precedence for the adjacent property. Um To also become a commercial use and of course negatively impact the value and of course the stability of um

   50:03what we expected to have. Um I'm very familiar. I came to Pasco approximately six, seven years ago to lead the true simulation efforts. And many of you know me as FITI. So I am very familiar, I've worked with many of you to make true simulation what it is. So I just ask that you know you consider that you know we we moved to Meadow Brook specifically because. of the exclusivity of having a rural, uh very quiet neighborhood, and this would detrimentally um impact you know the the way of life that we are expecting to have there. And again, setting a negative precedence moving forward. So again, I appreciate

   50:33you guys' consideration to oppose the the uh c two um consideration too. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice L

   50:47I do.

   OakleyChair

   50:48Name an address for the clerk.

   Unidentified speakerVoice L

   50:51Judy Floresek [address removed] My husband and I submitted four uh two ourselves and my sister and brother in law submitted two letters. I hope you have them. I won't read them, but they are in depth. about our objection to this proposal. We've recently purchased this our our forever home in retirement. At the corner of Raintree and Rainbow Lane, we our backyard

   51:22and back door is in plain view of the parcels. That are being proposed for development. We object to the use of gas station or anything that is Intrusive use of that land. We are certainly not opposed to dental land use as suggested, you know, businesses that would be Okay. or safety concerns. I'm a senior, husband is a senior Yeah.

   51:53Well Meadow Brook Drive. I walk it, we bike it, we walk our grandchildren, our pets, there are no sidewalks. More traffic. They brought up at the entrance and on down the way is going to be a serious safety concern for me and I would imagine a lot of other people. We're also concerned about the noise pollution, the twenty four seven lights. The the the dumpsters, the you know the the I'm sorry,

   52:24but gas station. Stuff, litter, anything else that happens. You know, that I think that's an extreme intr extremely intrusive use of that land, especially because it is residential. I didn't move into that area to be subject to that kind of commercial activity. So I would respectfully request that you deny this petition. Thank you.

   Unidentified speaker

   52:50And I'm our husband, Robert Forsick, at the same address, and I respectfully respectfully request you deny this. Thank you. Thank you for

   OakleyChair

   52:59your comments.

   53:02Mr. Files don't know if they had letters. Hi, my name is

   Unidentified speakerVoice M

   53:04Patty Kaylor. I reside at [address removed]. I have lived there for almost five years with my two little girls, twelve and ten years old, and it is our Little piece of heaven in a world of chaos. Please don't allow this to happen. We do not want a gas station on the corner. The light was actually put in for safety reasons. It doesn't make it a residential or I'm sorry. It doesn't make it a commercial intersection just because a

   53:35safety light was put in. It was mainly because of all the accidents that people have been talking about at that corner. So again, keep it peaceful. keep it quiet in our neighborhood. I have goats across the street. I have chickens in my backyard. And it is our little piece of heaven. So please keep it that way. Thanks so much.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   53:51Ma'am I need your name real quick. I just need her name I want to

   OakleyChair

   53:54ma'am

   StarkeyVice Chair

   53:55what was her name.

   OakleyChair

   53:55Have her comeback.

   Unidentified speaker

   53:56Hi my name is

   OakleyChair

   53:58I live

   Unidentified speaker

   53:58at [address removed]

   OakleyChair

   54:00[address removed]

   Unidentified speaker

   54:01[address removed].

   OakleyChair

   54:01And again I

   Unidentified speaker

   54:02also um Can they hear us? The uh the comp

   OakleyChair

   54:05can Can you hear me? you hear me?

   Unidentified speaker

   54:09Yes.

   OakleyChair

   54:12there before you to come back and give us her name again. Oh

   54:16sure. My name is Patricia Kaylor. I reside at [address removed].

   54:23All right, thank you. All right.

   Unidentified speakerVoice M

   54:25All right,

   OakleyChair

   54:25thanks.

   Unidentified speakerVoice M

   54:26Thank you, sir.

   OakleyChair

   54:27Now start over again and uh repeat your name and address for the Clark.

   Amanda Grayson

   54:31Yes, my name is uh Amanda Grayson and I live at [address removed]. Uh so I'm opposed to it. Uh my husband and I bought the house 70 years ago. We thought this was gonna be our dream home. Uh I'm a fourth generation loops. From Lutz, yes. Um I grew up here, I've seen all the changes. And I am just bewildered at everything that is going on and then the fact that our community is right on fifty-four. There is not there is no buffer. We are not a mile off,

   55:01we are not half a mile off. We are on fifty-four. And so this is now gonna be an intrusion into our community, let alone everything going on right behind our home with the Cypress Ranch developed.

   Unidentified speakerVoice N

   55:12Okay.

   Amanda Grayson

   55:13We are concerned about foot traffic. From outside people. There's a bus stop down the road. There's we don't want just you know people walking down the sidewalks that y'all put in and coming in to our community straying through. We don't want to see an increase in crime because of this. But we don't have a ma or like a We don't have a wall between us, we just don't have much of a buffer between us. And let's call it the outside world. We are a little Community. We have chickens. Where else can you find two acres

   55:43of residential agricultural residential in loops? You can. It's all gone. It's all parceled up where there's ten homes on one itty bitty little acre. And so we're just asking that you would respect this decision and our little bit of punch hand that we have. And we are also on a shallow well. Our home was built in the nineteen seventies. And anything that's gonna go there is gonna imp impact our well potentially. Either dry it up Or it could be something that's gonna leak in. I am constantly checking it. I have a three and a half year old, a

   56:13one and a half year old, and a baby on the way. We all drink well water. And that's one of the questions that they asked for the pediatricians, is are you on well water, potential land contamination or other contaminations? And so thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak.

   OakleyChair

   56:28All right, thank you.

   56:36Anyone else?

   56:39Name and address for the clerk.

   Jody Riddle

   56:42I was doing that if you will give me a moment. My name is Jody Riddle, [address removed]. As stated by Jessica. The a road we have into and out of our subdivision of Meadowbrook. is again our only source for emergency vehicles to come in. On my street alone, I've had the ambulance there twice in two weeks. Our

   57:12roads are so small that the ambulance has to go to the end of the street to turn around to go out. They cannot back out. So how is a tanker truck? Supposed to pull out and go across two lanes and try and turn left. to go back out and not go into someone's yard. How are you going to stop? The litter, the contamination. And everything as they said that's associated

   57:43with this business. How are you going to do that? Are you looking maybe, everyone on the council, to, you know Build up your coffers, hoping that we all get tired of what you're doing to us and we all get rid of our land and then you can come in and suck it up and put ten houses on an acre. Is that what you want us to do? because we're not going anywhere. You may not like it, but we're not going anywhere. And you need to start respecting

   58:13us as human beings and young women that are having babies to keep their wills clean. That's what you have to do. You're a human being. And if it was going into your front yard or your backyard, would you vote for it? No, because your property value would go down, and that's not what you want. And we don't want it either. So don't put these things on us. We don't need another gas station or a car wash or any of that. And

   58:44the traffic. People are going to not know how to get out. They're going to turn right, they're going to drive around the neighborhood and get lost because they don't know how to get out. And then again, more traffic and people in our neighborhood we don't need. Thank you.

   OakleyChair

   59:00Thank you for your comments.

   59:06Yes, I think

   Unidentified speakerVoice N

   59:08sir. Lowish Schweitzer, I reside at [address removed]. I also work in Lutz. Actually Land De Lakes, but right next to Lutz. I'm a traffic control offer at the school. Now I know the school's not impacted by this, but I come in that development two and three times a day. Do you know how many cars drive around me because the light's too long and shoot in that neighborhood? You're gonna have a lot of traffic coming out

   59:38and they're all on their phones and they're all not paying attention. The first thing you know you're gonna have accidents. What happens if one of them accidents contains one of them tags loaded with gasoline. Now we have gasoline in our well water. And then our water is going into our wells. We need to maintain our area the way it is. Them roads are too small, they have no sidewalks, and we don't need any more congestion in that area, or you're gonna have more Helicopters

   1:00:09flying in to take dead people out, and that's what it comes down to. There's been a lot of bad traffic accidents at that intersection. Yes, the light is there. Half the time it's flashing yellow. It doesn't stop anybody from stopping. They cut across in front of everybody. So that's my what I'm saying. Just beware the people living there have been there many years and they don't need this intrusion into their neighborhood. Thank you.

   OakleyChair

   1:00:36Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice O

   1:00:39Hello Congressmen and Women. Uh I I'm Brandon Grayson. I reside at At um

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:00:52And And women's right-of-way.

   Unidentified speakerVoice O

   1:00:56reside at uh [address removed]. And uh I wanna respect you for your position. Uh I thank you for the decisions that you have to make on a daily basis that require this much thought. And um there were a lot of points today that were brought up that um Our That will take a lot of thought. Um And I I

   1:01:21I caution you because We reside here, I know y'all don't um necessarily, but if you could put yourselves in our shoes um the wells have been brought up a time and again and I wanna second that because as my wife stated we're bringing up a third child now. And not only do our wells We we drink from our wells, but I feed our fruit trees and bushes from our wells and if That those are contaminated. Well

   1:01:51it's gonna be contaminating the fruit. that we are now consuming, so it's double fold. Um We're we're and I know this has nothing to do with this proposed but um the Cypress Ranch there is gonna be commercial buildings one, two, and three right behind our home that um We don't want to see the same. for the entrance of our community. And uh we respect your decisions. Um we're praying that um It

   1:02:22uh it is an office. Or rather than um a C two. And we thank you very much for your decision. Have a blessed day.

   OakleyChair

   1:02:31All right, thank you.

   Lisa Sloan

   1:02:35Hi, my name is Lisa Sloan and I live at [address removed]. And um I just do um concur with the neighbors and citizens that have expressed their concerns and ask you to consider denying for the reasons that have already expressed. There are two points I'd like to reiterate. Um a couple people spoke about access, and uh one of the issues is that when people come into our neighborhood. They don't know how to get find their way out often. And

   1:03:05um I don't live on a cul-de-sac, but I live basically on an elbow into a cul-de-sac. And we've had issues with large trucks being unable to turn around. And we've had to actually get neighbors and help and even a semi-truck that got um literally stuck. They thought that they could get access to MetLord Corlito and their Google Maps was wrong. So this is this is a considerable issue. Um it's it's it's an issue of practicality as well. Um people come in the neighborhood and they can't find their way back out of the neighborhood. So the

   1:03:35traffic concerns are very real. They're ongoing right now, but they'll be amplified tenfold or a hundredfold if a gas station is put in there. You know that people are not going to be able to make a left, and they'll wind up coming into our neighborhood and bringing some of the concerns the neighbors. already expressed. Um so I just wanted to reiterate that. My um son sent me a message and said just be myself. So as being myself, I'm asking you to please consider Please consider this of your fellow citizens and Pasco County residents

   1:04:06and preserve one of the few vibrant places, open spaces that we have left in our county, that hopefully serves as a jewel that you would want to preserve and not throw away. I would also like to say that we do not have the luxury of the newer developments to put in a buffer. You already saw that. I won't re go over those at points again, but the signage, the lack of the buffers creates added confusion for the traffic and identification and preservation of

   1:04:36the neighborhood and the safety of its residents. And on that note I'll also say the well water is important because I want to continue to get three. Make it from the Starfruit Brandon.

   OakleyChair

   1:04:48Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice P

   1:04:52My name's Christy Honeywell. I reside at [address removed]. Um, I grew up in this neighborhood for my entire life and one of the points I didn't hear anybody bring up is right there on the corner of Rain Tree and Meadowbrook Drive is a school bus stop that kids get picked on on a daily basis and dropped off there. So I would like to just uh have you guys imagine people flying through that street with no sidewalks with

   1:05:22kids getting on and off the bus on a daily basis. So and I concur with everything everybody else said. Thank you.

   Yolanda Hodges

   1:05:35Hello, my name is Yolanda Hodges and I'm on [address removed]. I'm actually one of the neighbors. Um the direct impact with this. I the new owner as well. I reside I moved here with my two kids thinking that this is gonna be my forever home and peace for me and my kids and I I don't agree with this. I am Very

   1:06:08Sad that I find I found out about this after I closed my home. I closed my home on January twenty-ninth. Yeah. Two weeks later, I have a neighbor one of my neighbors came to my door and informed me about this, and I thought that I was gonna have peace for me and my children and now uh I'm I'm concerned about my safety and my children's as well. Thank you for your time.

   OakleyChair

   1:06:34Thank you.

   1:06:39Is there anyone else to speak? Okay.

   Linda Shalk

   1:06:44My name is Linda Shalk. I live at [address removed].

   1:06:52My husband sent a letter in which you probably will be reading into the record at a later point in time. And so I don't have much additional to say other than what the neighbors said, other than Um gas stations or laundry um laundry cleaners are known for um linkage as well as dumping things that they shouldn't dump in the back of their properties. Right

   1:07:22up against this property that they want to have changed is the Sandy Branch tributary. And that takes water eventually from there it goes under State Road 54 and eventually winds up in the Anclo River. Can you imagine a gasoline leak? Other than our wells being contaminated, it's also going to contaminate drinking water for many other people down the line. It also goes into, I believe, the South Branch tributary.

   1:07:54Um and which goes off into Penellas County. But just in our neighborhood alone a gasoline. Link could Just destroy all the homes the wells. the values of the property can make homes um valueless even. So um my husband's letter will explain some other issues that we have. So that's that'll I have. Thank you for your time.

   OakleyChair

   1:08:24Yeah,

   Jody Riddle

   1:08:24either.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:08:36There's no one else at the kiosk.

   OakleyChair

   1:08:38Okay, thank you.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:08:42Right.

   OakleyChair

   1:08:45Is well right?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:08:46I've uh emails to read to you.

   OakleyChair

   1:08:48Oh wait a minute, got Some emails?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:08:51Yes.

   OakleyChair

   1:08:52Yeah. Or the emails of people that just spoke?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:08:56So um nine emails submitted for requesting to be read to um Miss Judy Florsky, I I don't know how to pronounce the last name, and her husband Robert Flores F L O R C Z Y K.

   1:09:13He did not.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:09:14So

   OakleyChair

   1:09:14they didn't and he didn't.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:09:15I'm just letting you know.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   1:09:16I would read the husb I would read the husband's Okay. They requested it just because he said he concurred with his wife. I don't think that

   1:09:29Okay.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:09:30So I have eight emails then, uh total to how many? Eight.

   OakleyChair

   1:09:34Eight?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:09:34Yes. So the first one is from um Robert. I'm gonna spell the last name F L O R C Z Y K [address removed]. To whom it may concern the current issue to consider high traffic commercial land use at the entrance of Um fifty four and Meadowbrook Estates is disturbing. A heavy traffic business would turn the main street of a quiet residential neighborhood into an unsafe thoroughfare. My wife frequently

   1:10:05walks our small Yorkie and baby carriage down Meadowbrook Drive. She waves to everyone and gets much needed exercise as she travels one mile down the road to visit her sister. If you allow a plan to develop the entrance of our community for any business that causes fast and frequent traffic flow down the primary road of our r our neighborhood, it will, in my opinion, cause regretful loss. Of use for our community. Myself, I am concerned with any business established that maintains outside normal daytime business

   1:10:35hours. I didn't retire to this property to pick up trash and worry about break-ins. I live on the corner of Raintree and Rainbow. One block from the proposed development site, if any commercial businesses causes intrusive use with unsightly dumpsters, heavily light li heavily lighted parking lots, and loud noise of any kind after nine PM and before six AM, I will more than considerably damage I will be more than considerably damaged and inconvenient. I manage I imagine

   1:11:05that many of our I imagine many in the immediate vicinity of the entrance to Meadowbrook Drive will feel the same way. While I am retired and have plenty of time to complain to whomever I need to hear my concerns, that is not the way I wanted a peaceful retirement. I wanted to peacefully retire. My investment in this property, which I just purchased in September 2020, is substantial. I was not aware of the process.

   1:11:32If I had been made aware, I would not have relocated to this address. I am more than upset about potential loss of security, loss of sleep, and a decrease in my property value if any intrusive land use at the entrance of this residential neighborhood is approved. It's isn't there any way anywhere else to locate such high traffic? Long hour businesses at State Road 54 Has anyone considered the hundreds of vehicles emitting carbon my monoxide at the entrance of our residential agriculture neighborhood?

   1:12:02Our beautiful wildlife will have to move on. I would sincerely appreciate your consideration of limiting the commercial land use to Route 54 at Meadowbrook Drive for purposes that are consistent with the current low-key residential uses atmosphere. Thank you.

   1:12:19Next email is from Michael Killian, [address removed], to whom it could make concern. I moved my family to Meadowbrook, Sierra Pines area to enjoy the peaceful country neighborhood. This neighborhood allowed me to have the serenity as well as be near the growing array of businesses being developed in this area of Pasco County. I have pets that can Can roam free in my yard without worry, and I feel very safe. I love my home. I am concerned about the unconditional

   1:12:49land use proposed for parcels at the entrance of our neighborhood because this residential neighborhood is not construct is not structured to accommodate high traffic businesses and other problems that could come from high commercial establishments. I was surprised to hear that this land was being considered for anything other than. than gentle business services. Will the future developers be required to consider a costly negative impact on the residents of this neighborhood if traffic is pu is pushed into the Meadowbrook's Sierra Pines residential community

   1:13:19and becomes a cut through to West Lutzlate Fern Road. Will we be compensated for the serious change in use of our primary road and lifestyle? The traffic could that could potentially route itself through the neighborhood will be hazardous to the residents and could cause security concerns for many. While I don't live at the entrance of Meadow Brook at Route fifty four, I can certainly appreciate the other negative impacts to those who do and myself as I battle my way out to go to work if a high traffic type business is

   1:13:50established on either corner. Your consideration to limit the land use to businesses that would truly add value to the area and not negatively impact an established residential neighborhood would be greatly appreciated. I don't believe we are lacking convenience stores or gas stations. They have already been established elsewhere and are plentiful and easy to access regards.

   1:14:13Next letter is from Joanne Killian, [address removed]. To whom it may concern, approximately two years ago my husband and I left the city of Tampa to escape the many attributes.

   1:14:28We located our new home to Cedar Loop in Lutz because it allowed us to have a much larger property with peaceful atmosphere. We are now faced with the front We are now faced with the front door of our neighborhood potentially lit up with gas station traffic, noise, debris, litter, and loitering. I am voicing my objection of this intersection I am voicing my objection. If this intersection would benefit from a gas station, it might be harder to argue with however There is no shortage

   1:14:58of gas stations in this area. And the entrance to our Metaborks Sierra Pines neighborhood is hardly conducive to this type of business. It is a private residential neighborhood, not a high-volume rental unit community. Many residents in this community have pets that live outside. I'm extremely concerned about their safety for a few reasons: traffic, noise, and potential curiosity to torment. Or feed our animals is a huge concern. My husband and I both work and use Meadowbrook Drive to enter and exit the neighborhood.

   1:15:28It's the only option. Increased traffic caused by any heavy volume business at this inter at that intersection would never negatively impact our daily commute and take away precious time in our schedule. A gas station or any other business that creates high traffic, high noise, and personal safety issues should be disallowed. The land use at the entrance to our residential neighborhood would be better suited for mile traffic to professional services. Thank you for your consideration.

   1:16:05Next email is from James Collins. Address is [address removed]. This is in reference to the proposed Comp Plan amendment being considered by the BCC. I strongly oppose the CPA. which would produce increased traffic congestion, not to mention increased noise and light pollution, like a gas station for instance. I live n right next door to the subject parcel the last twenty years and I've seen firsthand the congestion that builds at the Meadowbrook um SR

   1:16:35intersection. Thus the FLU should not include commercial activities such as gas stations, auto repair, dry cleaners, and those commercial activities that would increase noise and light pollution as well as excessive traffic. Uh James Collins. Okay.

   1:16:58Next email is from Lynn Morrissey. Address is [address removed].

   1:17:09This is in regards to the uh March 23rd meeting to discuss the Comp Plan amendment related to the property at the State Road 54 and Meadowbrook Road. I request that a Pasco County representative read this letter to the BCC during the meeting. Thank you. My name is Lynn Morrissey. I live on [address removed] for the past five years. We have seen tremendous growth in the area in these years. Most being positive improvements. I'm open to growth in this area, but in a well thought out

   1:17:39manner. I believe the amendment to the comp plan to change the parcel at the corner of 54 and Meadowbrook to commercial will have detrimental effect to our neighborhood. I am opposed to the change to the comp plan to commercial and sub and subsequent rezoning to C2 zoning. I believe any change to the comp plan would allow commercial would allow commercial would Sorry. I believe any change to the comp plan to allow commercial would have adverse impacts to the traffic pattern in and out of the neighborhood. Meadowbrook

   1:18:10Road is the only entrance and exit to the neighborhood. With the widening of fifty-four, we have seen a significant increase in traffic and accidents in the area. My fear is that high tr that any high traffic commercial use such as gas stations would completely clog the only ex entrance exit. Mm-hmm. We are an older neighborhood and do not have any space between the subject parcels and our homes, like unlike newer Uh unlike newer neighborhoods in the area. As a result, we will have significant

   1:18:40noise and light pollution from the commercial development. Gas stations operate twenty four hours a day, tw seven days a week, and three hundred sixty five days a year. I don't believe planting trees to offset the noise and lights would be sufficient to offset this impact. In addition, Meadowbrook estates is on well water and I'm fearful that high traffic retail, especially a gas station, will put our water at risk. Again, I am not against progress, but hope the progress can proceed in a well thought out manner. If the committee feels still feels the

   1:19:10need to amend the comp plan allowing commercial use, I would hope the committee would consider only those businesses that conform to the neighborhood appearing residential in nature and the minimal traffic implic implications, i.e. professional offices. Again, please keep in mind the Metal Brook Estates is an older community without the road systems in place to support the high traffic commercial that C2 zoning would bring. We are not a Bexley or Ballantre. Thank you for your time and consideration.

   1:19:44Next email is from Charles Hoffman. Address is [address removed].

   1:19:57I, Charles Hars H Hoffman of [address removed], strongly oppose any such commercial rezoning to the subject parcels for the following reasons. Safety. A. The current intersection is not designed correctly for current use and further commercial activity will increase our residential risk of entering and exiting our community. B In conjunction with the traffic increase, we currently have obstruction of view verify Uh obstruction of view verified by Pasco County

   1:20:27DOT due to Highway fifty four being elevated above Metal Brook. C, the elevation has also made our entrance unusable blocked due to flooding, which the county has been aware of for years and still fails to fails at correcting the poor engineering. D Our current egress model is not adequate and adding more traffic can jeopardize emergency travel. Water, safety, quality. A commercial use in any form that would allow contaminants into the groundwater or

   1:20:57drainage can jeopardize our already fragile aquifer which feeds our wells. B draining the drainage adjacent to the property feeds major tributaries throughout the county. Pithliacucci and Anclo could be affected. Water drainage. A. The drainage adjacent to the subject parcels is is already overwhelmed and not maintained in a timely fashion. Current flow situation is poor and improvements have been on the table for years, but money is never available even though the boom in residential commercial development

   1:21:27should have increased money available from impact fee alone. Established Neighborhood Respect. A. At this time our neighborhood consensus is that Pasco County does not take into account of the effects of the surrounding development. Although we continue to pay our taxes, which continue to increase beyond any added value to us, the County Um allows flooding traffic safety. Traffic safety, traffic planning, quality of community, and our overall safety to be sacrificed. Most of us realize the property will be

   1:21:58developed commercially as it is no longer attractive from a residential standpoint. But we, the community, request that you consider the impact to our established neighborhood and do the right thing and not only make an educated and responsible decision on rezoning, but also move forward with correcting the

   1:22:18With Highway 54 corridor, the infrastructure cannot support the development. I strongly oppose any development at Meadow Brick 54 until the road evaluation, drainage, and intersection engineering is fixed adequately.

   1:22:34And Next letter is from Bill. Шлак. Шок. It says S-C H A L C K. Address is [address removed].

   1:22:51I have been a resident in Meadowbrook Estate subdivision since nineteen eighty. I object to this amendment to the comprehensive plan use plan to change this parcel from Res 3 to commercial for the following reasons. This land use change would allow heavy commercial uses such as gas stations, car washes, vehicle repair. garage, dry cleaners, pawn shops and many other heavy commercial businesses. We now know that the intended use for this parcel is a gas station per a pending contract contingent upon this change. This parcel

   1:23:22is the very first residential lot at the entrance to Meadowbrook's Estate Subdivision. There is n not a long road between State Road 54 and the first house or entrance to the homes. Like Ballantray and Bexley where they have a long road between the commercial corner at fifty four and the entrance to any homes. In this case there is a house directly across the street from this parcel. Safety issues. All homes in Metalbrook estates are on wells. Allowing any commercial use, particularly a gas station or dry cylinders known

   1:23:52for leakage and environmental contamination, can contaminate many, if not all, of the residents drinking water with carcinogens. This could also make their homes worthless. There is a school bus stop just a half block away from this parcel, which would make it very dangerous for children, not knowing who may accidentally or intentionally turn into the neighborhood instead of turning left on State Road fifty four from the proposed entrance exit on Meadowbook Drive. Traffic concerns. There is already a traffic problem

   1:24:22at this intersection with residents of Meadowbrook Estates, 85 plus or minus homes, and Sierra Pine subdivisions at the south of the Which is three hundred and fifty plus or minus homes, plus school buses trying to exit Onto State Road 54. Traffic backs up at the light because Meadowbrook Drive into Meadowbrook Estates is one lane and in and one lane out with a very short left turn lane. Traffic from a commercial business will only make the problem worse. With a gas station on the corner

   1:24:52parcel, it would mean gasoline tankers, trucks, dump trucks. trucks, delivery trucks and all other uh vehic vehicular traffic exiting directly into the neighborhood rather than exiting onto State Road 54. Miscellaneous. Contrary to a statement made by Miss Will Hight, representative of Kitty Campus at the Planning Commission hearing on 31821 there that there was only one gas station on State Road 54 between the Sun Coast Parkway and Collier Parkway, there are actually five gas stations in this area, two of which are within a half mile

   1:25:23of the interstation uh of intersection of Meadowbrook Drive and State Road 54. While it may be inevitable that the lots facing State Road 54 in Metalbrook Estates, including this parcel, could be changed to some type of commercial status in the future. I hope that any change would not allow any heavy commercial businesses. I ask that the com commissioners please vote vote not to approve the request change to the comprehensive plan use plan at this time. Thank you.

   1:25:56And I believe this is the last email. It is um sent in by Daniel Honeywell, no address provided.

   1:26:07To all the to all of the board. I wanted to attend in person, but currently I am on a plane traveling home from Colorado. My name is Daniel Honeywell Junior and here's his address. I own a home at [address removed]. I grew up and have lived in the neighborhood for thirty years since I was six years of age. My family owns several homes in the neighborhood and five years ago I sold my home on [address removed] located Located in Meadowbrook and built my new home next to my mother's

   1:26:37home. I wanted my kids to grow up in the same neighborhood that I did. This neighborhood is all about family. I am pleading with the board to deny the comp plan for this property. We cannot have commercial in our neighborhood where our kids ride their bikes and play. Never mind the delivery trucks, gas trucks, and everything that goes along with gas stations. We are aware that this is what Uh this is what wants to go into the property. It will be literally destroyed in our neighborhood It will they will literally destroy our neighborhood and the values of our home. I'm

   1:27:07concerned with the underground gas tanks directly in the vicinity of our wells where we get our drinking water. Can you imagine the loitering that happens at convenience stores and gas stations? Would you want that within your neighborhood and around your your children? We already have issues with traffic even though we finally got a traffic light. We fought for years to get a light just to get in and out of our neighborhood. It is a small two lane residential road that cannot handle more than any more traffic. So now the county is saying because we put a light

   1:27:38in we can have commercial C2 zoning directly within our neighborhood. Please remember this has a Meadowbrook address, not State Road 54. The exit for this parcel will remain on Metalbrook Drive. I am pleading to please deny the comp plan so the C two cannot go into my neighborhood. I will it will destroy our neighborhood and the value of my home. Please deny PDD zero two two six. Thank you. That's it. For this item.

   OakleyChair

   1:28:07Okay, first. Made it.

   1:28:12Ms. Railhank? For rebuttal.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:28:17Yes. Um does staff have my PowerPoint?

   Unidentified speakerVoice Q

   1:28:31Okay.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:28:34Thank you. So I would like um we do have our transportation inter Mike Razor on the line. Mike, are you there?

   Mike Razor

   1:28:44I'm here, Barbara.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:28:47Could you please Um, provide some perspective and responses regarding, you know, what you've done to review the access and the transportation issues.

   Mike Razor

   1:28:57Sure. Uh and for the record, uh Michael Daniel Razor with Razor Transportation Consulting. Um Today's hearing is regarding the comp plan and land use, so I'll start with that. That requires a transportation needs assessment. Uh that study was prepared by my office dated October twenty-seventh of twenty twenty. It was approved by staff on January 20th of 2021. That evaluated the collector and artery roadways in vicinity of the site, which would be the adjacent segments of State

   1:29:27Road 54 and Meadowbrook Drive to the north, as Meadowbrook Drive to the south is not one of the regulated roadway segments. It was identified through that analysis that either with or without this comprehensive plan land use amendment, those two roads would operate at level of certain Therefore being acceptable. We also prepared a timing and phasing analysis to accompany the Euclidean rezoning application for C2. Given that the rezoning is Euclidean in nature, it does not include a site plan, it does

   1:29:57not include a specific use, and it does not include specific site access. Um, so therefore our study relied upon the Land Development Code's reasonable yield calculation. which resulted in just under thirty thousand square feet of commercial land use. And that reasonable yield calculation does happen to trend worst case as it takes the area of the site, multiplies it by the maximum flowary ratio with a small departure from that. Um the study

   1:30:28assumed a one potential reasonable access scenario which consisted of a write-in from State Road 54. and a full access to Meadowbrook. Um, which happens to provide for a worst case scenario in regard to both Meadowbrook Drive and its intersection with State Road 54. in that all traffic exiting this potentially commercial parcel or parsels Would have been assigned to Meadowbrook Drive again for the purpose of a worst case scenario where

   1:30:58only during site plan permitting would we get to the specifics on l on the actual use, its actual trips, and its actual access configurations. But again. Study we've done thus far relied on the reasonable yield calculation for the LBC as is appropriate for Euclidean zoning. Um The findings indicated that the signalized intersection at 54 will continue to operate acceptably in regard to the the Pasco County's transportation performance standards

   1:31:29as defined in the Land Development Code. Um so therefore that finding states that under today's conditions. That intersection operates acceptably for the county standards and will continue to do so based on the assumption of 30,000 square feet with all of that exiting to Meadowbrook Drive. And I do realize where the the neighborhood folks would say that, well, it's it's it's not adequate, we have long wait times and whatnot, but we have to remember that this is a signalized intersection on State

   1:31:59Road 54. which is one of if not the heavily have most heavily traveled corridors in the county and any traffic signal on State Road 54, the minor street is going to wait to to access that roadway facility. P predetermined based on F D O T setting the priority on throughput on State Road fifty four. Um Meadowbrook Drive south of State Road 54 was reconstructed and improved by FDOT in 2016 as part of the improvement State

   1:32:29Road 54 at that time, including the six-lane widening and the signalization of the intersection at Meadowbrook. Um those limits are from City Route 54 south to the creek. along the project site frontage about 350 feet more or less. Within that segment, the lanes are 12 foot in in in width, therefore they're they meet and exceed the the required standard by the county, which would be 11 feet in this case. So they're 12 foot lanes within a 60 foot right-of-way. While there

   1:32:59is not sidewalks within this right-of-way, there would be if the county chose to do so You know, there there is additional room available within that cross section. Further to the south, there's two-lane section. So there would be 36 feet of additional pavement, 18 feet more or less on either side. And as you approach State Road 54, there would be approximately 12 feet on either side because there are separate left and right turning lanes, increasing that's that cross-section to a three-lane cross-section at 54. Um as part

   1:33:29of our substandard road analysis. It was found that this segment of Meadowbrook Drive, which would potentially be relied upon by this particular project if it was to have a full access connection to Meadowbrook Drive, was found to meet the county's roadway standards in consideration of LDC 901.4. Um Also to note, um, in in in my professional opinion, it is highly unlikely and atypical for non-residents to turn right into the neighborhood onto

   1:34:00Meadowbrook Drive. Um it was stated that Meadowbrook is the sole means of access to uh to Meadowbrook Estates, I believe it was Sierra or Pine Bluff. Um and that's true with regard to State Road 54. However, there was also a comment regarding neighborhood intrusion. due to a cut through route to plenty through the road. So um maybe a bit uh couple different perspectives there, but I will say that Lutz Lake Fern Road is approximately four miles more or less to the south using

   1:34:30seven different streets. So it's a highly circuitous route with most of them most of those roads being front loaded with residential, uh single family residential. Um That would conclude what I had planned on presenting, but of course I will be here for any any questions in regard to traffic.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:34:50Thank you, Mike.

   1:34:54Well let me go on with my presentation. Just wanted to summarize some of the planning items. As you know I'm I'm also a landing

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:35:02I I do have a question for the transportation guy, if you don't mind Okay. Because I I recall this very similar Somewhat similar discussion. When the McDonald's was wanting to come in on State Road fifty four in front of Country Place. and they were gonna share the driveway with the entrance to Country Place. What just happened? how you get in there, you turn left into the entrance

   1:35:32to Country Place, then you turn right into the McDonald's. and the residents of country place were very, very concerned that they would all die in car crashes and not be able to get into their house. And um And so we had a very similar experience like this today. Um And and so I I drive that area frequently. I've never seen a backup. I don't know of any accidents there in front of Country Place. And I and I've never seen people make U-turns

   1:36:03which I think the residents were really afraid they were gonna drive into into their community. Um

   1:36:11People are concerned that if there's C two on that corner that there's gonna be more traffic into the neighborhood. What D is there any science that shows that? Any data that shows that because there's a use out on 54 Their neighborhood becomes commercialized as well.

   Mike Razor

   1:36:35Uh was that the was that the question uh commissioner

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:36:39Yeah w will more people

   Mike Razor

   1:36:41driving to their neighborhood Sure. In in my experience, no, uh, that does not happen. Um it it's more of a perceptive fear at the onset of change, which does not materialize into um an actual neighborhood intrusion. If you can imagine this particular corner, once it is developed, it would be very evident as to where State Road 54 is in regard to this particular site. Anyone that would turn right into the neighborhood, not not every

   1:37:11single vehicle, but the great majority would be residents returning home. It would be like like I said in my initial presentation, based on my experience, it'd be very atypical. For traffic to enter the neighborhood for no for for no purpose. Okay.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:37:28Right, thank you. Okay.

   OakleyChair

   1:37:33All right, Barbie.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:37:35Do you like me to proceed? Thank you, Commissioner. Barbara Will Hight. Um I previously gave my address. Uh before I start I would just again like to say this is the the land use amendment. It's a land use amendment to COM C O M as we kind of touched on before, the rezoning still has to go b back before your planning commission to make a recommendation to you. consistently farm could do P O One, P O two, C one, C two. All of those uses

   1:38:05can be done in the common land use. Um And so y those decisions are in front of you and in front of your planning commission. But let me go through for the land use amendment why the land use amendment Andrew Staff has very um thoughtfully put forward why the land use amendment is consistent with your comprehensive plan and actually follows your comprehensive plan pretty clearly. I too am a land use attorney and an expert in planning. We're all my years, including my years writing this comprehensive

   1:38:36plan for you. Um so I bring that forward, that expertise forward and take that obligation very seriously when I look at the comp plan, I don't very pick policies. I don't take a policy excuse me, I don't take a goal and make it a policy. I don't take an objective and make it a policy. Policy policies are implemented by the by the code. And so you have a very a very structured complaint, even though sometimes when people present to you, they they do away with all the structure. So let me go through the actual Why

   1:39:06this project is consistent with the comp plan. and why this is a location for the for the commercial use that's being proposed. Uh the other thing I would say is that you all know that I'm a very transparent person. I don't um I'm always forthcoming. I don't mis mis miss looking my things. And I was asked about the news. At Planning Commission? And because comp planning and zoning isn't person We'll always answer

   1:39:36with You were making a decision on in that case the ac they were considering C two. They they were a step ahead of where this hearing is. But they the the question was asked About A specific use, and I said, and they asked me about gas stations, uh convenience for a gas station, I said that's a likely use in this location. Um it's a C two use, it's a likely use. My my testimony regarding um gas stations in the loc in the area was limited

   1:40:07to south side of fifty four. Mr. Razor can explain that when people access gas stations, they access and turn right in. they don't want to cross over to another side. When they're driving eastbound on State Louis four they want to turn right. And there is no gas station from Suncoast Parkway to Collier to Collier Boulevard. There is no system gas station on the south side. Miles and miles and miles of roadway. So with that kind of a backdrop, uh let

   1:40:37me go into my my presentation and and try to walk you through my thoughts on this. This part was located in your south muscle area, you're over the concentration area. What you will recall about the presentations that you received regarding the neighborhood, you heard about the neighborhood. But what you didn't see really a perspective given at is that this property fronts on 54, which is a six-lane arterial highway. It's located at a signalized intersection approximately three fourths of a quarters of a mile, three-quarters

   1:41:08of a mile east of the Sun Coast Parkway. the second light from the Suncliffe Parkway. There's no other commercial uses at the Signalize Intersection and it's an underutilization of the county's and the F DOT's investment in infrastructure at this location. It's a big deal for the F D O T to do improvements as Mr. Razor um stated in that were done by FOT to signalize and improve this intersection, including Meadowbrook Drive. And if you think about it from a Planning perspective,

   1:41:38if you underutilize your signalized intersections, on along a arterial roadway, a six-plane arterial roadway, you are going to cause demand for more signalized intersections. That's why you have vocational criteria in your comp plant. We're very specific about that. So as I put in that last slide there, you're gonna have pressure to locate these at other non-signalized intersections. If you don't fully utilize your signalized intersection across state route fifty four. Next

   1:42:09slide.

   1:42:13The property is currently zoned AR. But I think it's really important to look at the um AR zone districts. It tells you about how you structure your zoning and your comp planning. So the AR zoning district talks about curbing urban development areas with LAC facilities until such time as those facilities are available. It's very clear that the conditions have changed since this property these properties were zoned

   1:42:44AR one Um In fact many, many, many years ago, all the facilities are at this location. Water, sewer, Signalizable section, six lane arterial roadway. So your own zoning code recognized the limitations of AR and that it doesn't mean it can't change. It's actually understood right in your zoning district that that the area will change until facilities become available. It's only natural that growth follows

   1:43:14your infrastructure and your investments. Next slide.

   1:43:21This is the Compound policy that that Ms. Tyler went over with you, 1.6.2. I noticed very clearly that there was a lack of any presentation by Mr. Pressman or Ms. Ortiz about this policy. Um And and they didn't ha I'd not seen the reflections in this particular policy that they present today. This policy is very unusual to your comp plan construction. This policy specifically directs where you want a specif a particular land use. Y

   1:43:52I can't think of any other situation that's so specific in your comp plan about where Where our land use should be should occur. And so when you look at this policy, we strictly comply with this policy one point six point two point A. This policy is adjacent to an existing selector and a Chair River Roadway intersection. 1.6.2B. As Mikyler said, the only TC designation is over on Metro P property on Curlian Overpass. And one point six point two, see this is not

   1:44:22strip development, this is at a node. and the south boundary is county property and the north and eastern boundaries are roads.

   1:44:30The subject for that policy, the subject property is the location for your policy, your own comp plan, your own directory. The subject property is the location for C two commercial uses. Next slide.

   1:44:46We've also heard about transitional land uses and residential compatibilities. read some experts of language, but if you look at one point four point three and one point six point three in exhibit two point two, com is a compatible trans transitional land use to compliance with your code and also With an addition to your code is we propose that we're working with planning commission audit on a deed restriction for the property.

   1:45:16Comply with 1.4.4. Policies are implemented by your land development code. You as the board take a policy that you put in place and you determine how you're going to implement it in actual regulations. And you have a whole cluster of regulations that will apply this parcel. Buffering, building height, lighting, on-site parking, stacking, loading. Outside refuge doors, sea, landscaping, well health protection requirements, water quality, So all of those things are how you

   1:45:46create compatibility and you tell us how we have to create compatibility by complying with those requirements. Next slide.

   OakleyChair

   1:45:55Barbara, your time's time's running out.

   Unidentified speakerVoice R

   1:45:59Chase now? Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   1:46:00I have fifteen minutes. Okay.

   1:46:02That That was fifteen minutes, Barbara. That was

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:46:05fifteen.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   1:46:08Okay.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:46:08Okay. I have well there was but Commissioner Starkey talked to Mr. Razor in between, so Can I just finish my last slide, please?

   OakleyChair

   1:46:16Finish you may finish it.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:46:19It's the last slide.

   1:46:23I think this is a significant slide for you all to read and understand. This is from another broker's opinion But it's very specific as to how he reached his opinion. With regard to the value of adjacent properties, the three properties, adjacent properties are located approximately zero feet, 180 feet, and 370 feet from a six-lane arterial highway, and are next to vacant unmaintained parcels. As such, it is our professional opinion that the development of the subject property for C2 uses

   1:46:53would not result in lower property values. As for non-adjacent properties in the general vicinity, it is common for commercial uses to be located at a signalized inner entrance to a neighborhood, and is our professional opinion that residential and commercial uses can coexist without creating a negative impact on their respective values. which is what Mr. Starkey referenced as the McDonald country place example is a pretty good example of how they are coexisting, despite all the perceptions and fears that you heard about that, those youth who

   1:47:23are coexisting, I've gone to that McDonald, they're able to get in and out quite well. And so with that, I would ask that you recognize that we're talking about land use. We can talk about zoning when it comes to zoning. Let your planning commission hear the zoning case and make a recommendation to you. But we absolutely are following your comp plan, like where you told us to put POM, and we're bringing this application forward. Thank you.

   Moore

   1:47:47All right, thank you.

   OakleyChair

   1:47:49Mr.

   Moore

   1:47:50I have a question. Thank you, sir. Um this is for the team, for staff, if you don't mind.

   1:47:58Why are we um originally we're gonna hear forty nine and fifty. Why are we continuing fifty and not hearing it with forty nine?

   Amy Heiler

   1:48:06Uh forty nine is the adoption hearing for the comprehensive plan amendment.

   Moore

   1:48:10Yeah, I understand that. But why why is the fifty being continued?

   Amy Heiler

   1:48:12Fifty should be continued. It should say continued on there.

   Moore

   1:48:16It does. I say w so why is it?

   Amy Heiler

   1:48:20Go.

   OakleyChair

   1:48:21Uh Nicario Speedos Planning Development. Fifty is the companion rezoning to the C two zoning district, which did not get out of the Planning Commission as it was continued. to uh establish deed restrictions for the property. Okay. So regarding buffering standards.

   Moore

   1:48:39So forty-nine was the whatever four two or whatever was vote and then P fifty was continued by the Planning Commission. Yes. See I this is just my personal opinion. I I'd I'd prefer I would prefer to hear them both of the same day, I mean 49 and 50. Eight.

   1:48:58You know

   OakleyChair

   1:48:59it's only choice.

   Moore

   1:49:05Um If I'm not correct, it's Mr. Larue um that's representative of the neighborhood as well as Mr. Pressman and then Miss Walhite obviously is is representing the um applicant. Um No, since we haven't heard fifty, it's gonna be continued. Any chance you guys, and we've you know we've done this and made these suggestions in the past. Any chance counsel on both sides can maybe get together and put their heads together a little bit, come up with a compromise between the

   1:49:35two and bring this back, and when you bring it back, we'll be hearing forty nine and fifty. As what uh together because it'll get through Planning Commission. Just a thought, a suggestion. I don't know if uh both sides are willing to.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   1:49:50Mr. Chairman Mariano. I don't normally recommend, in fact, I'm sort of surprised that the planning staff would be bringing the two of them together because in an in a Euclidean zoning you have to assume that the Complant Amendment is effective. It won't be effective on the same day. The only time we normally track two together is if it's an MPUD, where you can condition the MPUD on it not taking effect until after

   1:50:21the comp plan okay. So that normally it would be council legal counsel's recommendation that that the the that that they they not be tracked together. And it maybe they were only tracked up to Planning Commission together. That

   Moore

   1:50:34sometimes.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   1:50:35But

   Moore

   1:50:36you're right. I I thought it was different.

   1:50:39But at the same time, I'm just wondering, I'm just I'm just throwing this out here. Is there a chance that um I don't know if both sides of council have both of both sides have met and are they willing to get

   1:50:51Have a compromise. I know sometimes we're not they're not all in the audience today and sometimes they'll walk out the side and have conversations and come back to us. Um

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:50:59That would be nice.

   Moore

   1:51:00So I don't I don't know if there's a w what I just want to know if there's maybe a willingness there. So I and I guess that's a question to um Mr. LaRue or Mr. Pressman that's uh in in the hallway and Ms. Will Hight that's online right now.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:51:13Mr. Chairman Mariano.

   Moore

   1:51:15I I'll just wait their answer if they're willing to.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:51:18Mr. Chairman Mariano. Um some questions because and and also for the folks who came and spoke today, and I appreciate their passion and Um we we know We know the growth in the county is sometimes difficult to see and experience, but nonetheless. We have rules that we follow and Florida is a high growth state and we are a high growth county and State Road fifty four is one of

   1:51:47our most important roads. in the county. But I do think there are some questions that are legitimate that I would want to be addressed um But I'm assuming that those things happen not

   1:52:05a a hearing that would be with P fifty.

   1:52:09I mean, right? lighting, buffering, all those things, that's not what we're considering today. We're considering if it's appropriate for a piece of land on State Road 54 at a signalized intersection. Should be uh a different use than what it is today. Is that what is in front of us today?

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   1:52:32That's correct. That's what's in front of us today. It is a change in your future land use classification. Is COM appropriate for this site? Now I will tell you when you get back here In the Because it's a Euclidean zoning None of the stuff that you've just mentioned will be appropriate to to be discussed there either because you can't condition a Euclidean zoning. Well that

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:52:55makes it tricky because I do think

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   1:53:00Yeah, that's why there was a discussion about that they had proposed a deed restriction. Okay. You can't you can't condition This isn't an MPUD. You can't uh if they're if they're seeking C two, anything that is acceptable in C two would be acceptable in this.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:53:16So if we waited today we could get some restrictions on buffering. Well, let me ask you this. Does our do our codes already contemplate protections like what the citizens were asking for? For example, lighting. Do we not have a lighting ordinance already that says you cannot you know Well I mean I know that our I cause I helped work on it when I was a citizen activist. Our lighting ordinance for commercial requires

   1:53:47down lighting. You cannot have big lights that interrupt a neighborhood or your your v visions as you're driving down the road. Is that correct?

   OakleyChair

   1:53:56Right.

   1:53:58Concerns raised by residents have to do with site planning aspects of it, lighting, landscaping, buffering, et cetera. Uh and our land development code does have ordinances and provisions that address a lot of those things specifically because uses can impact neighboring uh properties. In this particular discussion, the comprehensive plan in Exhibit 2-2 does have language in there that mandates specific site considerations between the transition in

   1:54:28the transition between the commercial land use to the Res III land use that's surrounding. So the comprehensive plan is already mandating that activity to occur. That's part of the reason why there was a discussion at the Planning Commission for deed restrictions.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:54:42Um So and I think that's important. I mean no one wants to be uh living next door to lights that are intruding into their their own priv private space. That's why I objected to some of these billboards that go up on a neighborhood lot where that's what when you look out your living room window that's all you can see. And we have that all over the county, sadly. Um Okay, so emergency vehicles and I I think it's an i i they raise a point and I will tell you we

   1:55:13got a letter before. about needing to work with Hillsboro County. To get Sierra Pines Boulevard paved. It's not a county road. It's not a Pasco County Road. It's a Hillsboro County Road. But if something were to happen at that intersection of Meadowbrook and fifty four, They would not be able to get out. And uh if that road keeps deteriorating. As badly as it was. As it is. It's really bad. So I do think we need to try and um

   1:55:43have some discussion with Hillsborough about. uh fixing that road so that these people have two safe ways in and out. Sidewalks. Is is Is it common? When development comes in in a situation like this that that they would put in sidewalks or we would put in sidewalks.

   Unidentified speakerVoice S

   1:56:06It does.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:56:08I don't know. I'm asking back whatever's the buff. I mean typically when the county's putting in roads right now, we put in sidewalks. I don't know why that wasn't included when DOT improved this intersection.

   OakleyChair

   1:56:21A you you're referring to State Road 54?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:56:23No, I'm concerning to th there are sidewalks on State Road 54. I looked. There's a trail actually going all along there. Um

   1:56:32What there what I what I don't see are any sidewalks on the improved part of Meadowbrook that goes down to this the creek.

   OakleyChair

   1:56:43Yeah, so site plans you can re request and in many cases require sidewalks to be built as part of the site development that takes place. But the question becomes does the sidewalk go anywhere? And so if the neighborhood has no sidewalks because the neighborhood never had sidewalks. Would you require them to build a sidewalk that would not connect to anything?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:57:04Well if if there was some attractive uh use at that corner. that attracted the kids of that neighborhood to go there and put them in more harm's way because there would be More cars coming out of there and driving on to fifty four. I would want to be sure that there were some sidewalks there so the kids could be be out of the road. I mean we're trying to encourage pedestrian and s cycling activity and if there's more use there, I think they need to be um

   1:57:35protected. Um let's see what else was there? Crime. Well, that's I think that's a fear that

   1:57:44reality a as is the traffic issue that we talked about. And I would think w if We could put um no through trucks. And I don't know what kind of signs we could have so that people Well they can't go through. So that they Well no they can. You can drive to Lutz Lake Fern. There is another exit out of there.

   Fitzpatrick

   1:58:01See they keep saying

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:58:02there's

   Fitzpatrick

   1:58:02a one way in, one way.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:58:04There's not there's not one way in. There's two. But it's you wind through the neighborhood. And I and frankly those neighborhoods, they're very wide roads in there. Wider than normal.

   Moore

   1:58:18Oh.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:58:18Um, so I'm sure a lot of people are going to work in Hillsborough, go out Lutz Lake Fern and and get on the Sun Coast down there instead of driving down fifty fourth. So I'm just going through the list of things I heard. Light pollution Um I do I do feel the ha for the house that's not right on the corner, but it is I think it was Fitty's dad's house. I'm not sure whose house that was. The gentleman from True. Um Um and so I think that consideration

   1:58:50has to be taken for um Yeah. I don't know what the site plan would look like on the use that comes in, but I think that

   1:59:01He he needs a little consideration of aesthetics and buffering in front of his house, um across the street. I mean like they sh I mean imagine if they put a dumpster across the street from this guy's nice house. I think that would be very inappropriate. So I think the site plan becomes very important. Um And and looking at that map, and actually if you put up Todd's map, but or if you just go to Google Earth. And you look at this lot. It

   1:59:32does. If they preser I don't know what it would look like when they cleared it, but it has a lot of trees that if they could preserve 'em along the buffer would be really good. And we've had that in in other areas where we've done where um commercials come in next to residential. And I think that they would have to have a sixty foot landscape buffer between a C two And Residential.

   OakleyChair

   1:59:58Uh I don't know the answer to that off

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:00:00the top of my head. I think it's I I'm pretty sure it's C two. I mean uh sixty feet, but I'm thinking that one of those houses there is already commercial because if you look at it If you zoom in. Two or three parcels to the left of that. Okay, you so you see that now there's our there's the storage facility right there. That that's what that white thing is right there. Smart. Stop storage. And then you look to the right. I want you to look at that lot. And

   2:00:30these are these homes are fronting State Road fifty four. And I you know, I'm sure when they first moved there that was a One lanes or two lanes sleepy road. But can you zoom in more?

   2:00:44Um okay, yeah, and now go now look at that that that's gotta be commercial or what or what's going on there. We need code over there, but something's going on. See where it says two cool designs? What's the clothing store website. But the house to the right

   2:01:04Banato R I don't know what's going on there, but that's not residential.

   Moore

   2:01:09Oh, right

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:01:09there. Facing fifty four.

   Amy Heiler

   2:01:13So that site um is P O one, it's zoned P O one office, and then that's abutting the um the storage unit.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:01:21So what is all that stuff in the backyard?

   Amy Heiler

   2:01:24That is actually the resident right next to the office. And so that's residential. That's that's residential? Correct. That's a fraction. That's a home. Um so there's three lots between the corner site and the storage unit. Uh two cool designs is currently zoned office. Then you have your two residential sites. Um, the site to the right of the um one with all the stuff in the yard. That's actually the same owner as two cool designs. They own the same piece. That was

   2:01:54previously listed for sale, but it's no longer, it's taken off the market. Yeah.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:02:01Okay, so that so But you see what I'm talking about with the trees. Um and it's a heavily canopied piece and it's buffered on the south by the stream. Um and it's buffered to the east, west. Um and my concern is this house over here to the right.

   Amy Heiler

   2:02:22Um and then just to um make sure so that stream platted is measured to forty-five feet per the plat. So the stream to the south is actually platted as being uh forty five feet in width.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:02:38Oh it's not. Yeah. Yeah it's not. Jump

   OakleyChair

   2:02:41across it.

   2:02:51Oh

   2:02:52to accommodate the infrastructure. Even though

   OakleyChair

   2:02:54the

   OakleyChair

   2:02:54streams

   OakleyChair

   2:02:54don't very big it covers forty five feet.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:02:58Oh so so I'm inclined to have Some kind of deed restrictions.

   Amy Heiler

   2:03:04And um from my understanding, um this the commercial zoning district uh requires seventy-five foot buffer from

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:03:11residential. Yeah. So it's seventy-five foot buffer. How would that which is substantial? you

   OakleyChair

   2:03:16fit that? I unless you're supposed to Patrick's got a question.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:03:21you had mentioned McDonald's. At that location? No, not here. I know. I sorry. It's on the other location you were talking about, McDonald's on C Row 54. That was on the east, but on the west of fifty four uh

   2:03:38Okay. We're on State Road fifty four looking north. You have McDonalds and then you have Country place.

   2:03:46Behind is the actual

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:03:49Yeah, but they share the they share the entrance.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:03:52Yes, they show the entrance, but it's buffered. What my concern is is what they're showing you here And what we have here is there's a home directly across the street. There's a home and a home and a home on all sides of the property. So when this person gets up right here on the corner of fifty four in Meadowbrook, they're gonna look directly at Oh,

   Moore

   2:04:14can you put that back up? Okay,

   Fitzpatrick

   2:04:15yeah, can you put that back up? They're gonna look directly at

   2:04:25We're

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:04:25not allowed to.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:04:25We're not allowed to. Okay. So

   2:04:30Regardless. That's why I think the site plan is important. There's no other pla uh uh from what I can know of, what other community has a home and then commercial in within their plates?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:04:45Well, I just took I just w did a a a thing around the county on my Google Earth And we have commercial in front of residential neighborhoods all Over the place. In front. All over Little Road, yeah. This is the side. Um all over. It's it's So th this is state road fifty four. Um

   Fitzpatrick

   2:05:09Yeah, but usually it's all of the front is retail. This is the I can send you the front is residential. And now you're gonna put retail directly next to the residential.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:05:22Well are you saying that should be a house on fifty four at I mean, no one's gonna build a house there. Right. At this point. But you have a house

   Fitzpatrick

   2:05:32directly across the street from it.

   OakleyChair

   2:05:34Well Mr. Moore.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:05:35So one point one point four four policy does have that stipulation of it needs to go gradually.

   OakleyChair

   2:05:45Mr. Moore.

   Moore

   2:05:46Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh question for either staff or Mr. Steinsnyder. Um we s we stated before that what we're going through today is amending the comp planned um to move this to calm. Um Let's just go over again what's allowed and calm.

   2:06:06And then I'll follow up with a c a comment and a question.

   OakleyChair

   2:06:09Mm-hmm. In terms of the the types of land uses that uh that com permits. So the commercial yeah the There you go. So the commercial land use according to the comprehensive plan. Uh the general range of potential uses are commercial uses, office uses, hotels, motels, compatible Light manufacturing, processing, and assembling of goods, no uses which have a primary purpose of distribution of goods shall be permitted in commercial. Uh

   2:06:39residential uses are only permitted when constructed in combination with commercial uses within a single building of two or more stories. We're in the first floor uses our commercial office andor other non-residential uses. Parking areas do not count as non-residential uses in this context.

   Moore

   2:06:55Okay. So to continue on, go ahead and explain to um you know the the commission and and and those watching at home or in the audience um what P50 would mean uh uh moving from a change of zoning to AR one to C two.

   2:07:17Explain why We go through P forty nine today and come back and actually do a zoning change to C two.

   OakleyChair

   2:07:29Uh in order to effect a zoning change to C two, the future land use uh must be in place first so that the zoning is aligned and implementing the vision of the comprehensive plan. Uh so in in the case of C two, C two can go in future land use categories such as com today as well as ROR. and uh occasionally in uh other Future land use classifications

   2:07:59such as a um

   2:08:03Usually they come in P Ds but uh or M P Ds in the P D flu or in the TC flu and in other such flu. Okay.

   Moore

   2:08:13So today if we allow The um if we pro if we approve the uh amendment And change from res three to com

   2:08:27If we go to P50, what limitations, if any, can be put on this parcel when it comes to

   2:08:38I will just pick a few things out, say restaurants, filling stations, office. multifamily

   2:08:51Yeah, right. Um

   2:08:55What limitations could the board put on when this when P fifty comes back to us?

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:09:02Um

   Moore

   2:09:04Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:09:07I mean besides and that's why you have voluntary deed restrictions in some cases is because i i if in fact this is a Euclidean C two district that comes back before you whatever is a permitted use under five twenty five correct is

   2:09:30Maybe it's five twenty six. I got C C one pulled up here. Yeah, five twenty six. Five twenty six. Um I scrolled a little too high. Uh anything that is that is in as a permitted use would be allowed for that applicant to go straight to the planning department with their site plan and and get permitted. Those that are conditional uses in that category, like currently multifamily, would have to come back before you.

   Moore

   2:09:59Right. So without P without hearing P fifty could anything happen? If if P fifty was denied they could still move forward. Or can they not move forward?

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:10:10So the the the problem you will have is i if you grant the change to the future land use classification to comm

   2:10:24And then they come back for rezoning to move out of AR one. AR one is really not a consistent future land use classification to come. Right. And so it would have to be

   2:10:41It would have to be another You another zoning district that is permissible in comm for for them to pick and and It may just be the commer the straight commercial categories. it

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:10:55it

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:10:56it you might be able to do an office zoning and PO two yeah Um So it become you set you sit you set the trend by approving the small scale amendment. But on the other hand, I'm not i i you mean It does sit right on fifty four. So, yeah. Res three may not be appropriate either. It's that's the balancing act that the board has to do. Right.

   Moore

   2:11:22And I think, you know, and I hate to get off subject here, but when we matter about when we're re when we're um obviously rewriting the land development code and things, some things need to be, as you would have probably agreed, cleaned up versus having to go through this process twice, essentially, my opinion. Um

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:11:37You'd still have to go through it t twice regardless of how much cleanup they do. You've still gotta make a s you've still gotta make a change to their zoning. Yeah.

   Moore

   2:11:46Let's fix it all, Mr. Dynam. Right. So I so I do I do have a Chairman Mariano. I I am Jack Mariano. Oh sorry. Hi Commissioner Weightman, one second.

   2:12:03So just y uh you know, I do have just like the residents and and both Commissioner Starkey and and Commissioner Fitzpatrick did mention this, you know, I when I first heard about this and you and you you say fifty four, you think fifty four, right? Okay, fifty four, easy enough. Um but I do have concerns for the house obviously directly across the street and then the one that essentially will uh you know uh abut this uh it's right next to it. I just I there's I'm

   2:12:33trying to figure out this buffer. I don't know how you're gonna be able to get the the buffer, a 75 foot buffer on to the home to the West. Um

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:12:45Well that's all gonna change.

   OakleyChair

   2:12:46Well where where would the buffer where would the buffer actually s start? Would it start at the property line across the road? Or would it be on the west? I don't know which one.

   Moore

   2:12:56See the home hidden in the woods kind of there? On the west? You see the driveway?

   OakleyChair

   2:13:00Yeah.

   Moore

   2:13:00But

   Fitzpatrick

   2:13:01does the property line start at their property?

   OakleyChair

   2:13:06Buffers are typically along the periphery. So it begins at the property lines. And the copyrights of plan already mandates That attention to the buffer in order to transition from commercial To the r from the com to the res three. In exhibit two dash two.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:13:24So if there's seventy

   OakleyChair

   2:13:27Well Commissioner Mariano

   Moore

   2:13:28was asked.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:13:28No, a a after I'm just trying to get in the line. I'm getting in line. Sorry,

   Moore

   2:13:32Commissioner Mariano. Commissioner Mariano was after me. Yeah. I don't want to forget about him.

   OakleyChair

   2:13:39All right.

   Mariano

   2:13:43Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um I'd like to say I I did meet with the applicant on site and uh I think when everyone else looks at f fifty four commercial, you think commercial all the way through. I thought it was just a rezoning when I met with him as well. I didn't know it was gonna be a land use change. And generally speaking, I think we need we need to do a lot of stuff on zoning and the comp plan. But there's one item here that I can't get past that uh Mr. Pressman is also with Ms. O. T.'s brought it up. is uh and I thought staff did a good job presenting. I mean It had been no counterpres

   2:14:14presentation, but this would have been a slam dunk in my mind. But here's what I can't get past. Policy One point six point four Section B uh paren two On the neighborhood commercial. And uh Commissioner Fitzpatrick actually touched on this and I think he's she's on the money with it. It said, New neighborhood commercial uses shall not be located internally within existing simily single family neighborhoods. This is clearly internal, especially

   2:14:44the second parcel we're trying to change. Um it's right across from the again that gentleman from truth. There's a reason you can't buffer it because it's internal, so you're gonna be limited there anyway. But I haven't seen anyone get past that argument there, so I'd like to ask staff to see what they thought of it 'cause I think it's I I think I think you just I think it just kills the whole um Then going forward. So staff if you'd comment on one point six point four B two, I'd appreciate

   OakleyChair

   2:15:10it. Uh, Chairman Mariano, thank you, Commissioner Oriano, for that question. Um The

   2:15:20The proposed amendment is predicated on uh policy flu one point six point two, which identifies the location of commercial development noting there that Calm shall be limited to areas adjacent to existing collector and artillery roadway intersections in order to maintain roadway capa road capacity and not set a precedent for further strip development. Um 164 is in detailing neighborhood commercial uses. Um

   2:15:50in this particular future land use policy. Uh it's talking about the commercial uses specifically until you get to point B where it does talk about the application of of COM. to permit small scale neighborhood commercial uses. That's occurring in situations where you're not at Uh the intersections of c uh arterials and collectors. So the the the policy flu that that we're focusing on here is on 162,

   2:16:21which is uh The primary policy used to appropriately locate COM within the comprehensive plan on the future land use map.

   Mariano

   2:16:33All right, so I understand what you're focused on, but I think your focus is missed and I think Mr. Pressman especially brought up the pictures. Showing the gas station would be right next to the neighborhood, right next to the guy who's across the street to true. You can't buffer that guy if you allow this to come in. I want you to focus on section number two that says new neighborhood commercial uses shall not be located internally within existing single family neighborhoods. How do you get past that statement?

   OakleyChair

   2:17:01So the comprehensive plan has a In some of the policies and in some of the definitions, it identifies what constitutes internal within existing single-family neighborhoods. And uh for instance in the in the case of office, um it has to be between two residential uses, not on the periphery of residential uses. And having roads uh or other physical infrastructure that separates you from uh

   2:17:32single family from directly abutting single family and single family on either side. Uh is a consideration when we're talking about whether the use is internal to a neighborhood or not. In this particular case, um and and and this kind of speaks also to the commer the proliferation of strip commercial. The commercial infill definition uh sort of illustrates what I'm talking about here. Um where the infill site does not set a precedent for further strip commercial development

   2:18:02because either the site is surrounded by existing built commercial development And this is the part. Or the geographic features, including physical infrastructure such as roads adjacent to the site, preclude any extension. And so the idea is that these this physical infrastructure, the roads, the the geographic features, other uses pen or limit the land use.

   2:18:29And therefore it's not Interior or internal to a uh a neighborhood.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:18:39Um

   2:18:41I think um There was a suggestion about

   2:18:47Mm-hmm.

   2:18:49And in my mind one of the things that could be worked out Is the protection of the gentleman. Okay, we don't know We don't know what's gonna come here. It's been suggested it might be a gas station. We we don't know and I'm not sure how much we can take that into consideration when we do this. However, um uh the parcel that is to the south I there's two parcels, right? There's one on

   2:19:20the front and then there's one to the Adjacent to it. Um

   2:19:27depending on what they put there could be fined for that house across the street. The devil is in the details of of making sure that gentleman is protected. And They can either Be very sensitive, and I don't know how we require that, but that would be my goal is to require them to be super sensitive on the site plan. Sighting. And potentially maybe they provide him a buffer, which would be an opaque fence and landscaping. And so he be has a gated home, which might be very nice when you're

   2:19:58that um a fenced home in the front, right? Which he may like being so close to fifty four and having everyone come in and out right there. Maybe Uh if they if the attorneys talk or people talk, that can be part of the package, is is that that guy gets protected in that way. That would kind of throw in a hint out there.

   Moore

   2:20:21Yeah.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:20:21Yeah, yeah, because that's that's that needs to be considered. That gentleman.

   Moore

   2:20:25Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Chairman Mariano. I do wanna I do wanna commend both both the applicant and and the counsel, um Mr. LaRue and Mr. Pressman and the residents, except the one lady, she was a little feisty. But uh Everybody else when it came to the residents, very respectable, we appreciate, very knowledgeable on the on the issues. Um I I think if Ms. Wolhe and um Mr. Lerue and Mr. Pressman, you probably see your you probably I I can't really tell which way the sport's

   2:20:55going this right now. I I would probably Take our suggestion and Commissioner Starkey just I think she agreed with that too to just to maybe see if you guys can meet both council um see if you can come to a a reasonable agreement and bring this back to us. If you can't, you can't. It is what it is. But I think allowing us to give you one more shot um to put your heads together and see if you can come up to a conclusion. Commissioner Mary uh Commissioner O Starkey did make a great Point a second ago, yes, we've heard what could

   2:21:25possibly be there, but this board is not allowed to take that into consideration. We're really not supposed to know what's gonna be there.

   OakleyChair

   2:21:31Right.

   Moore

   2:21:31Um So with not actually knowing what's supposed to be there, you know, that's we know it's gonna be calm, but we don't know

   OakleyChair

   2:21:40what the

   Moore

   2:21:40actual product is.

   OakleyChair

   2:21:42Yes.

   Moore

   2:21:42Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:21:48There's no there's no commitment to what's what's there. Correct. What you can c take into consideration is the uses that The fact that you're having all of these discussions about a particular use that is allowable in this, that's something you can consider in whether or not com is appropriate for this area. Right.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:22:08But it can't but if it's not com, it it can't be residential. Well office could be part of response. We can't take away the property rights of the person who owns it.

   Moore

   2:22:17Office can be comm.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:22:18Oh office. Oh office can be com.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:22:20Yes. Well but office can be a separate designation through your comprehensive plan.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:22:24Yeah, but there's there's other things that could be very there's there's many things that can be appropriate there. It just depends on what it looks like, how it's cited.

   Moore

   2:22:33Yeah where they'll have

   2:22:34to

   2:22:34Are you guys willing to have that conversation? Ms. Woolhigh. Mr. Press, Mr Laroe.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:22:42Commissioner Moore, you know I will always have conversations. Yeah,

   Moore

   2:22:46I know you will have

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:22:48Happy to have conversations.

   Moore

   2:22:50Okay.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:22:50I um Ms. Kevin

   Moore

   2:22:53Ariel.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:22:54Can you put those pictures up?

   OakleyChair

   2:22:56Who Who was that?

   Moore

   2:22:57Mariano? Well, Ms. Wilheit

   OakleyChair

   2:22:59says she was.

   Moore

   2:23:00Okay.

   Mariano

   2:23:01We can't.

   OakleyChair

   2:23:02All right, Jack.

   Mariano

   2:23:04I I just wanna say if uh we can get the two parties to meet and maybe make something work and bring it back to us, I'm comfortable with that too. I think there's two very professional sides that that are there and I think there's a there's a win out there, but it's not a d not's not an easy one. But if they're willing to meet then I think it'd be a a great opportunity. Mr. President's at the time.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:23:21And um I have I have all these pictures I want to show you. Uh Uh here's one, just go through them quickly. Here's a gas station with houses next to it. Here uh what ho where was this one? Uh Oh, this is in Longleaf. This is a daycare n right across the street from houses. So I'm just showing you C2s. Um in within neighborhoods. Um keep going. Um this here's one here. I don't know what that is, but there's houses right there,

   2:23:51all around it. All all four sides. Um all three sides. Keep going. Uh here is a um Walgreens across from this house right here. And next to this house right behind it. So um we have here we have boats, boat and RV storage right across the street from all these houses right here. Another one? Um there's our Department of Health right right there. Is

   2:24:22that is that it? Is that my last picture? Anyway, I just did those real quick. Just going around the county. There's a lot of examples where residential is up to it. I'm a fan of mixed use and putting things near where people don't have to go down on the highway to go get stuff. Um and where you can walk to it and So depending on what goes here, you know, it could be it could be beneficial for the

   Moore

   2:24:46Pressman is at the microphone. Mr.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:24:48Pressman. Why don't we see the boxes?

   Moore

   2:24:50Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what happened to it.

   Todd Pressman

   2:24:55Can you hear me, sir? Yes, sir.

   Moore

   2:24:58Yes.

   Todd Pressman

   2:24:59Sharon Honeywell's here. She spoke with Mr. Paul Jello, who's we understand as a contract holder. Mr. Jalo told her his point blank and she's right here to confirm this as she's told me we can that the use was But the use was to be a guest in the station convenience store. The C two uses once you approve com today. Will allow C two and industrial uses on this property. Com is not appropriate for this site. It needs to be the question, Commissioner.

   2:25:30I

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:25:30mean what specific line is not

   Todd Pressman

   2:25:31appropriate.

   OakleyChair

   2:25:33Wait a minute.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:25:35Okay,

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:25:35the question that was asked to you are is are you willing

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:25:38on behalf of your clients to talk with Ms. Mill Hype? If the board continues this matter about what we make this appropriate, if the answer is no to this board, that's fine. But you hear the argue your case, but the public comment is closed.

   Todd Pressman

   2:25:58If we're gonna discuss that, we need to know what the use is going to be.

   Moore

   2:26:06Okay. That's the co that's the Mr. Pressman, that's the conversation we're suggesting you have. With their council. We remember what Mr. What Mr. Stein no, hold on. What Mr. Steinsteiner said. I'm trying to help you guys here. Uh across the board. Mr. Sander just said we are not supposed to know that it can't come into play with our decision making. We cannot use that. That that that cannot be part of the testimony. That's the fact. So And it's up to you on behalf of your clients to have that conversation and see if you can

   2:26:36find out from council and work through this and then come back to us.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:26:39And and I wanna say I'm not so hung up on the use as I am the site plan. The buffering. The aesthetics, the lighting

   2:26:52'Cause for me it's I'm okay. I'm actually I mean I'm okay with I well I don't want light and I mean I don't want it to be a little bit more.

   2:27:02But but I want I want it to fit I mean it needs to fit within the context of that neighborhood. And in that vein, we can't put the

   Todd Pressman

   2:27:12cart before the horse. How do you make a site plan or

   Moore

   2:27:14Mr. Tressman?

   2:27:18Are you willing to meet with Ms. Willheit? She's willing to have this conversation. We could continue this, or we'll come to a decision now. I can't tell you where which way this board's going to move.

   Todd Pressman

   2:27:25We're willing to meet, but you're putting

   Moore

   2:27:26the meetings with the

   Todd Pressman

   2:27:26owners, not the applicant, of what the use is. They can't have the cake you need it too.

   Moore

   2:27:31Trying to assist to come to some reasonable conclusion. Are you guys willing to meet or would you like us to move forward with our decision today?

   2:27:42I can't tell you which way this board's going 'cause I'm looking at I'm not seeing anybody shake their head, yes or no.

   2:27:49Take your shot take your shot or or or at meeting with the appearance.

   Mariano

   2:27:56I'd like to go Mr. Pulsman for a second. Okay.

   2:28:03sure. Uh Thank you. Uh Mr. President, I strongly recommend take the opportunity to meet with them. Otherwise, we vote on it now. We don't know where it's going to go yet. If you take the opportunity to meet look at all your concerns, we don't know what's gonna happen. That'll be between you guys. We can't get into that. But I I strongly recommend you take advantage of that. Let us continue it and then we can have another another meeting another day.

   Todd Pressman

   2:28:24We get around one point two. I hear you, Commissioner. And with that, I I don't think we have a choice but to meet and talk. But I'm gonna say again, as you're putting the onus on the applicant for buffering and site plan elements, you need to put the onus

   Moore

   2:28:37out for use.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:28:38Yeah, I disagree.

   Moore

   2:28:39Well that would come back to us. We're just giving you guys the opportunity. Okay.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:28:44Move to continue.

   2:28:49Um should we save times uh to an unknown date or

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:28:55I would be like thirty days.

   OakleyChair

   2:28:59Mr. Terry. We're looking for a date right now to continue that matter.

   2:29:04If if I may. Um

   2:29:06Okay.

   OakleyChair

   2:29:07The P item P fifty, the Kitty Campus University rezoning, That is continued to April twenty.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:29:14Well.

   OakleyChair

   2:29:16So

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:29:18Table twenty. Or pass

   2:29:22Well he said not to bring him to the vote. This is an odd duck right here. I don't think I've ever had this in eight years as a commissioner. I

   2:29:29just wanted to

   2:29:29let you know

   OakleyChair

   2:29:31that that the the right-of-way.

   OakleyChair

   2:29:36Is that what you're saying?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:29:40Mr. Steinsteiner, you said we can't have them at the same meeting. I mean I've never s I've never seen anything like this.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:29:46Uh what I said was I can't have you take action on a straight zoning cla classification before the comp plan becomes effective. And if so if the comp plan is gonna be heard Okay.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:30:01So motion to continue this to April twentieth. And then the continue the continued to the following month.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:30:06P fifty is going to have to be continued. Right. All right. So we'll my motion is to move this to April twentieth. And then y'all have to And then when we get to fifty, we'll have to change the continuing date, I think. To May eighteenth. Yeah. Okay. That's my motion. Second. Second.

   OakleyChair

   2:30:23Okay, I got a motion and a second. My roll call vote.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:30:27District two, Commissioner Oakley. District three, Commissioner Starkey.

   OakleyChair

   2:30:31Aye.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:30:32District four, Commissioner Fitzpatrick.

   2:30:37Sorry, my mic was off.

   Unidentified speaker

   2:30:39We heard.

   OakleyChair

   2:30:42All right, District Five, Commissioner Mariano. Aye. District one, Chairman Oakley.

   2:30:47Aye. Motion passed five zero. To continue April twentieth.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:30:53So

   Fitzpatrick

   2:30:53they

   OakleyChair

   2:30:53need

   Fitzpatrick

   2:30:54So basically they need to meet prior till April twentieth.

   OakleyChair

   2:30:58Well they they know that.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:30:59Well he seemed a little confused.

3. 3Apr 20, 2021
   Board of County CommissionersP47Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

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   OakleyChair

   1:02:44Okay. Yes sir. We'll move on to P forty seven.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:02:48Item P forty seven was published in the Tampa Bay Times on January twenty-seventh, twenty twenty-one.

   OakleyChair

   1:03:09Okay.

   Amy Heiler

   1:03:17Good afternoon, Commissioner. Amy Heiler with Long Range Planning. Uh item P uh or item 47 is gonna be uh PDD 21-0225. This is the adoption hearing for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment in the name of CPAS 2002 Meadowbrook. And I'll read the ordinance into record. So an ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan, providing for a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps,

   1:03:47map 2-15 and sheet 20, changing from res 3 residential 3 dwelling units per gross acre to Calm Commercial on approximately 1.67 acres of real property located on the southwest corner of. State Road 54 and Meadowbrook Drive providing for a repealer, severability, and an effective date.

   1:04:08So this item was previously heard at the March 23rd meeting and continued to this public hearing. So we'll go through the PowerPoint again as previously done. So the proposal is to amend the future land use map as previously stated on maps 2-15 and sheet 20 from res 3 to Calm. It is located at the southwest corner of State Road 54 and Meadowbrook Drive. And maps 2-15 and 20 are the maps that are going to be amended. There is a companion rezoning petition to C2

   1:04:39commercial as well.

   1:04:43So to go into detail, the proposed amendment is consistent with the following uh subair or with the following policies in our comprehensive plan. As you see up there, it's the location for commercial development, transitional land use, and residential buffering. So Just to give you an understanding of what the comprehensive plan is saying. So policy flu 1.6.2, location of commercial development, states that any plan amendment to COM future land use designation shall only be allowed under the following

   1:05:13conditions. There are three conditions that allow an amendment to COM commercial. In this case, the three conditions are as follows. Possible locations for calm future land use shall be limited to areas adjacent to existing collector and arterial roadway intersections. So this subject property is located at the intersection of Meadowbrook Drive, which is a county collector, or portions of it is a county collector, as well as State Road 54, which is an FDOT arterial

   1:05:43roadway. An intersection, you know. We ended up uh reviewing it with F DOT, getting the definition so we understood intersection. And there are three intersections that follow. Um, at an at-grade connection or crossing of a local road or hate or state highway, um, a conventional at-grade intersection, including three legs, or an area that includes not only physical area where the roadways cross each other. Also, an area upstream or downstream of physical intersection.

   1:06:14So in this case, it does meet that qualification as being located at an intersection of an arterial collector roadway. The next uh provision is commercial uses shall not be located in a manner or type that will detract from or limit uh the development of designated TC flu or town. Center flu. The only town center flu located in the county is out by Curly Road to the east of the county. So this does not deter from the existing

   1:06:44or any existing town center future land uses. And the proposed development or proposed commercial shall not designate strip commercial. And if you guys recall, the location of this proposed amendment is located at the intersection of Meadowbrook and State Road 54. Along the frontage of State Road 54, there are only a couple parcels that would be inter that would be impacted, two of which are currently residential, one is um uh office and then the other is an existing

   1:07:14storage unit. Anything outside of that it will not um be impacted because of an existing uh wetland that can't be developed on. And then transitional land uses. So transitional land uses, we have a table that is set in place that allows us to navigate our future land uses and proposed amendments and ensure that they are transitional or compatible adjacent to each other. If you go to the next slide, please. This is the table exhibit 2-2 transitional land uses. As you can

   1:07:44see, the proposed land use being commercial is considered a compatible transitional land use adjacent to residential or existing residentials three future land uses with sensitive site design. And as previously noted, in our meetings before, the applicant has agreed to a deed restriction to uh impose buffering and other other development standards. So this is your locator map that shows that the property is located in the South Market Area Urban

   1:08:15Service Area.

   1:08:18Uh this is your aerial where it shows the um location being at the southwest corner of Meadowbrook Drive and State Road 54. Here is going to be your existing zoning. As you see, the site is currently zoned AR, one agricultural residential. It is being proposed with a companion C2 zoning district.

   1:08:40And the future land use current or the current future land use is REST III, as you see. The proposed future land use would be to calm commercial. And it is, it does meet the locational criteria set forth in policy flu 162. So this is just to give you a little rundown again or a refresher as to what had occurred previously. So at the March 4th public hearing, the local planning agency did find the comprehensive plan consistent or the proposed comprehensive plan amendment consistent

   1:09:10with the comprehensive plan. They did also recommend staff to continue the proposed rezoning, which you will hear in a couple days. as well as directed the applicant to draft a deed restriction.

   1:09:24And then the BCC action, which was previously made on March or on 323, I'm sorry, that's a typo, or but it should be March 23rd. Staff, they directed staff to continue the item, which is why we're here today. And then on April 1st, we did confirm that the applicant and the development's representation did meet. So I'll let Barbara Will hide.

   1:09:49Mm-hmm. And with that, we do recommend that the board find this consistent with a comprehensive plan and uh adopt by roll call vote. I'm happy to answer any questions.

   Calvin Branch

   1:10:01Thank you.

   Mariano

   1:10:03Yeah, sure. Can you go back to the map that shows the parcels?

   Amy Heiler

   1:10:09Or do you want the zoning map or future?

   Mariano

   1:10:16That was fun.

   OakleyChair

   1:10:17Mm-hmm.

   Mariano

   1:10:18So When we were discussing I was I was concerned about the intrusion of residential I mean commercial into a residential neighborhood. Right. And what I was most concerned with say on the two parcels that are highlighted in color to the right side. The one parcel on 54, I mean that should be commercial all day long. No one's going to build build a residence there. Uh I did meet with the applicant in the uh applicant's attorney uh and they informed me that on the parcel that's right below the

   1:10:49one at Butting 54, that's actually a commercial use. It's not the gentleman we thought from true simulation, but it's a parcel that's right there. Um Hearing that, that that dramatically changes my interpretation because I thought if he was right across he was residential. it was a different scenario. knowing that that has been given some type of commercial designation because the person is operating a business out of their home. Uh that to me that changes quite a bit. So um Terry was unaware of it,

   1:11:19but him and I had talked about extensively because I really wanted to really delve into that one point that I thought they had made that was super strong. I'm still concerned about the environmental stuff, but looking at that point there, that does uh effect to meet that intrusion argument that we had before.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:11:36Agree. So just to confirm coming on now, Southeast Interstate. Are we gonna do comments now or are we

   OakleyChair

   1:11:43gonna have

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:11:43Barbara

   OakleyChair

   1:11:44speak? Barbara let's hear from the applicant.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:11:49Hi, this is Barbara Bell Heights, 6327, Grand Boulevard, New Port Richey Florida. um for the applicant. So In the effort to not be repetitive, because my presentation is a lot like Ms. Heiler's presentation, what we did before was we have a lot of public comments, a lot of receiving files, a lot of read things into the record, a lot of people I think are on WebEx, you have people at kiosk. So I think the most efficient way not to be to repetitive for the staff presentation you just had was to go ahead and let's hear from the public and then we'll um

   1:12:19do rebuttal with our presentation.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   1:12:22Okay. Mr. Chairman M that's fine if that's what Ms. Will Hyde wants to do, but they're they were directed to I mean it was continued for a reason and we probably should address that reason before the before public comment.

   OakleyChair

   1:12:37Ms. Wellhock we had asked you and the the folks in in that neighborhood to meet and see if y'all could come to agreement. And get back to us. That was the main reason for continuing it. Um It doesn't seem like that's happened. So

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:12:55So we well we have a minor reaching agreement. We did um Mr. Um Pressman put together the folks that were gonna attend from the neighborhood and we did have a WebEx. Um we were not able to reach an agreement. Um ultimately the residents were looking for no commercial uses. Um they were w wanted to wanted office uses and then to discuss what office uses would be um allowed and so we weren't able to reach an agreement. But

   1:13:27we have in pursuant to what Commissioner Starkey found very important, which is the actual neighbors, um the neighboring properties, we've been working on it's not really a comp plan issue, so it's not really in our presentation for today, it's in our presentation for Planning Commission on Thursday. But we have been working on bu buffering plans. um to go into deed restrictions. So that's where we're at. We will present that to Planning Commission. Remember this is just the comp plan for you to decide Is this appropriate the

   1:13:57current land use in it is uh on the property is residential? Is it appropriate to go to non-residential? If so, you would support the the comm designation that we've applied for. And the rezoning issues are to come back to later and the and Planning Commission is going to be talking about the rezoning on Thursday.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:14:16And um if you if I may, uh just kind of piggybacking on what Commissioner Mariano just said and w one of the reasons why I wanted them to go back's was because I was concerned about the impact on that lot. to the east of this one, but learning that that um is a business and probably will come in for commercial zoning maybe as well. Um and that Fitti's house or his father's house, I don't recall whose,

   1:14:46is is not the one that's across from this that That um puts me uh much more at ease and um although there's the uh still discussion about buffering that property um because the other house Just south of it, uh on the other side of the the canal or the ditch or whatever stream, whatever you wanna call it. Um they have a a a fence already. Um

   1:15:17But it made me much more comfortable. and um, you know, all those parcels along fifty-four. Uh of those parcels along fifty four. Barbara, between the storage unit And this corner.

   1:15:34Take either off businesses or going to be commercial or businesses, correct? That we know of.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:15:43That's correct. Two of the three parcels along fifty four are owned by uh a doctor. Um one of them already has PO zoning. Our the property adjacent to the west is owned by a doctor. Um it's a vacant, he's it's not being used for residential. And then there's a parcel in between the doctor's parcels that still be used for residential. And and the one that is

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:16:08apparently still residential um I don't know what's going on there, but if you look at it on Google Earth it looks to me like it's I I don't know, an auto repair uh building or company or uh Something something's going on there that I don't I personally don't think it's zoned for and Maybe we need to look at that. Um it looks like it's already in a some kind of commercial use.

   OakleyChair

   1:16:32All right. Let's hear from the other public. Uh is anybody on WebEx to speak to this item?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:16:37Yes, Mr Chair, we have um eight people had pre-registered but only four are are logged in. We can take the first one if you would like. I have uh Douglas uh Grant. Mr. Grant, if you could

   1:16:55Is your own?

   OakleyChair

   1:16:59Okay.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:17:01Mr. Grant, can you hear us?

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:17:10I can hear you. Can you hear me now? Great.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:17:14Um if

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:17:14you could state your name and

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:17:15address for the record and then you may proceed.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:17:18Yes, and there's a presentation, please. Thank you. Uh that's not it.

   1:17:27Uh I have a different presentation, please. Is that top first one?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:17:34No. Uh Douglas Grant.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:17:40Thank you. I'm Douglas Grant at [address removed]. Spoke before. Uh, Kitty Campus Company signed a contract to sell two lots to a fuel station developer. A fuel station is one of several C2 land uses that cause groundwater pollution. Consequently, the required Complant Amendment will lead to a groundwater pollution source with the subject partials which are in a community that uses groundwater to drink, wash, and irrigate. Next slide, please.

   1:18:11I previously told you why I'm qualified to address this matter, but this time I'll show you what the EPA and DEP say. Next slide.

   1:18:21The greatest hazard from a leaking underground storage tank is groundwater contamination. Next slide.

   1:18:28There are more than ten thousand petroleum tanks subject to an assessment or remediation in Florida. Next slide.

   1:18:37Here's the DEP's map of the sites in Central Florida. It's not whether contamination will happen, but when. Next slide.

   1:18:48Here's a map of the hundreds of petroleum restoration sites just in Pasco County. Next slide.

   1:18:55There are already three fuel stations within a mile of the Kitty Campus Company lots, with a fourth fuel station under construction at the New Cypress Ranch development one quarter mile to the east. Now the board is contemplating allowing a fifth station in this area and this one will be inside our neighborhood. Next slide.

   1:19:16It's important to understand that at the Kitty Campus parcels The fuel tanks will be submerged in groundwater, which is only approximately five feet below land surface. The fuel will impact the adjoining creek and groundwater and the impact of groundwater flows to our wells. There are six wells adjoining the Kitty Campus Company lots. There are nineteen wells within five hundred feet, with many more wells nearby. Next slide.

   1:19:44Here's a summary of the county inspection results for the five fuel stations closest to the Kinicampus Company parcels. All have issues that relate to contamination. The shell didn't test overfill protection devices. didn't perform the required integrity testing. The nearby racetrack is only two years old. It has inoperable components that have or can cause a release. No response to a leak alarm. Next slide.

   1:20:14The Circle K is only four and a half years old and it has compliance issues related to contamination, including fuel release detection not conducted. Next slide.

   1:20:26The seven eleven and the racetrack, the same pollution related issues at every gas station. This station will be no exception. Next slide.

   1:20:37The Florida Legislature has already established that the protection of groundwater resources is vital and the protection outweighs any economic burdens. Next slide.

   1:20:50The board would not allow the construction of a fuel station at the South Pesco well field. But if the county allows the Complant Amendment and rezoning, then you're allowing the construction of a pollution source right within the Meadowbrook Community Wall Field. When our groundwater is contaminated Ask yourself, how will you explain placing the financial interest of Pitty Campus Company above that?

   OakleyChair

   1:21:14Mr. Ranch, your time's up.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:21:18The um next um person signed up is Todd Pressman. He was approved for five minutes. Mr. Pressman, if you could state your name and address for the record and then you may proceed.

   Todd Pressman

   1:21:31My name is Todd Pressman, tourist of 2nd Avenue South in uh 2nd Avenue, number 451, St. Petersburg, Florida. Before I begin a presentation. Mr. Chairman, it's very difficult to follow some of the comments. So I need to ask, if I may please, a clarification from Mr. Mariano. uh on exactly what he was referring to in terms of other parcels and having business activity, if I may, please. It was very difficult to follow.

   1:22:00Okay. Restate that.

   Mariano

   1:22:02Okay. On the parcel directly across the lowest parcel that we're looking at. That parcel that we thought was residential. Um it's It's residential but there's a commercial business being run there that has a special uh classification that was done to it where they can do bona fide commercial work there. Um So whereas we th where I thought that was residential before and a the person actually from true simulation we thought was living across uh that I thought was living

   1:22:32across the way was not the case. He's actually the partial down on the other side of the canal. In light of that, to me the commercial intrusions already happened beside it. And if that's been approved, it's hard not to approve the one right across the street from it.

   Todd Pressman

   1:22:47Okay, sir. And just to further clarify, is that the park what we're referring to across Meadowbrook?

   Mariano

   1:22:52Across from Meadowbrook, yes.

   Todd Pressman

   1:22:55Okay, I understand. And if I may respond to that, this is new information for us, but I was sent information uh from a resident there that and I'm just being referring what I'm being told that that was a special exception for a real estate office. And that was rescinded when the property was sold. I haven't confirmed that, but that's what I've been told. I don't know the credibility of that, but I think that's important, first of all, because it's a lesser commercial use, it's an office use, which that type of use is acceptable to the residents. And I have an understanding it's been rescinded.

   1:23:25So with that, if I may move forward with a presentation, sir. Yes.

   OakleyChair

   1:23:29Go ahead.

   Todd Pressman

   1:23:30Okay. Commissioner Starkey brought up a really, really interesting point, and it's it's also tangent to what Commissioner Mariano brought up, which is how the site that's proposed is situated in regard to the neighborhood's residential. And she referred to specific site of McDonald's, a country place. So we started to research this. If we go to the next slide, please. And what you'll see is the McDonalds are country place, and you'll see that it is a single parcel. It is not a parcel that

   1:24:00intrudes into the residential. It's built with the commercial along 54 and no intrusion or lots into the subdivision. Next slide please. Again, no interior lot is a part of that McDonald's. Next slide please. If it was, this is what it would look at. This is what it would look like. Next slide please. Now here's today's site. This is the plat. As you can see it involves a site on 54, which is much more commercial oriented, but also involves a a

   1:24:30lot that is completely interior to the residential subdivision. Next slide, please.

   1:24:37And this is a slide so you can see uh that the intrusion of a heavy commercial, and let's talk about this for a second. The applicant was supposed to come forward for your motion and give you specific uses. That's what staff told me this motion was. The only use specific use we heard from Ms. Wilhite was a gas and convenience store. She referred to taking CT uses and excluding them. We have not seen that. I didn't hear her say that. So the only use that we specifically heard from her as required by your prior motion is what the use would be, and

   1:25:07that is gas and convenience. Next slide, please. If that's incorrect, I would ask Barbara to direct that. So I look further to the east at Crestwood, I look for any other type of similar scenario. Of residential close to commercial on 54. And I follow one further down by Crosswave. And same thing, commissioners. The commercial lot is equidistant with all the other commercial lots. There's no lot intruded into the plat or the subdivision, as you can see here. Next slide, please. The

   1:25:38next one I found was a carpenter's run to the west. Same thing. The commercial uses all contained along 54. There's no intrusion to the rear neighborhood residential. Next slide, please. Then I found one further to the east of Madison and Rochester. Same thing. You'll see the commercials line up. There's no further use for the residential to the rear. Next slide, please.

   1:26:02Seven Springs intersection to the east. Same thing. You'll see the residential is a little bit better buffered, but no commercial lot intrusion. Next slide, please. And our planner told you. That this residential subdivision, next slide please, was was planted in the seventies. So this very brings us a very unique and singular site. That the Platte and residential community have been there a long time before this applicant came forward to try and

   1:26:33Present this lot for commercial development. And Comp Policy 1.6.4 is very clear. New neighborhood commercial usage shall not be located internally within existing single-family neighborhoods. As you can clearly see, there's a tremendous distinction between this site and the many others that I found, along fifty-four that are similarly located. Next slide, please.

   1:26:57The county shall protect resident uses from the sensory intrusions of adjacent uses. Uh we don't believe it is any way possible that you can buffer or protect this residential new neighborhood when you're intruding into it directly from an intensive one of the most intensive uses you can have, which is a twenty-four hour gas station and convenience store. We believe that's impossible and no form of buffering will be able to do it at this particular location. That's why we didn't agree with the applicant. The applicant is supposed to go forward

   1:27:27with the specific uses and I have not heard those. Next slide please.

   1:27:32Remember the uses are very intensive that are under the com. Next slide please.

   1:27:38And ensure transitional uses. Next slide, please.

   1:27:42Next slide please.

   1:27:45So we reject the applicant's claim that both parcels, particularly internal, are due for the infrastructure improvements that have been provided on fifty four, they should not be utilized there in the front lot, perhaps yes. But along fifty four or behind it Because this site's singular and as pointed out would be terribly negative negatively affected with lower property values. that it is different than what you see around fifty-four and it should not be approved. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice T

   1:28:15Okay.

   OakleyChair

   1:28:18Uh you got

   Todd Pressman

   1:28:18another.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:28:19We have uh two more on WebEx. We have Luke L uh Laroe. Larau, thank you.

   1:28:30Mr. Leraux, if you could state your name and address for the record.

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   1:28:36Yes, it's Luke Larode, 2240 Bel Air Road, Clearwater, Florida, 33764. And I also addressed you at the left hearing. I I just want to express my appreciation. Ms. Wilhite was kind enough to meet with a number of the residents of the area and Mr. Prestman and I. And it was at that point that rather than the general descrip the description of a commercial use, it was revealed that this would be a gas station and a convenience store, which was a suspicion that my client certainly had

   1:29:06from the get-go. One of the reasons that I have a concern with this, and certainly what's been elicited by the folks that live in that neighborhood is that there were two prior efforts to try to get this property zoned in a more commercial fashion for a significantly less intensive use. Both of which were unsuccessful. And I think that the whole concept of what you're doing here, as far as the fact that the comprehensive plan is supposed to be designed to preserve and enhance the public health and

   1:29:36obviously to work with the neighbors, this is a small-scale amendment. So I would respectfully suggest that there has to be some sensitivity to the small-scale impact that this use would have. Yeah. I have to agree with Mr. Pressman. I don't know what buffering would be able to protect those residences in that area that would have to bear the actual impact of a business that would operate either 24 hours or as many convenience stores are open

   1:30:07to eleven. It's a real difference than any kind of a real estate office or whatever the other so-called commercial intrusion was. And quite honestly, I I don't know that that there'll be any success either in the comp plan considerations that you have. Or any way to buffer this because when you we frame something in the context of commercial, we all know that that covers a vast expanse of different types of uses that vary greatly in the impact that they have on the properties near them. These

   1:30:37residents are terrified that this is going to have a dramatic negative impact on their property values. And it's not so much the NIMBY thing that we all know. Know about this is a very clear and unequivocal impact, especially when it comes to the hours of operation of a place that's going to be noisy. And you can't get away from that. I mean, obviously a gas station, a convenience store is a lot different than a dentist's office, which closes at five or six or whenever. So I think that to just simply say that this is consistent with the plan certainly

   1:31:07overlooks those components of those.

   1:31:13The transitional aspect of this, this isn't more of a hit in the head than a transition. And I would urge you to reconsider this and either deny it now or when it comes to the planning consideration, demand buffering components of a restrictive covenant that protects these residents from the adverse impact of such a use. Thank you.

   OakleyChair

   1:31:34Thank you.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:31:37Mr. Chairman's Wanda Neal.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:31:43Uh good afternoon. Actually uh we had signed up uh my myself and my mother Lily and Oldakowski and my daughter Alexandria Neil um who is eighteen. Um we are all here. We just signed up on one camera. Do we need to sign in? I we had all registered, we were just using the same camera. Do we all need to log in separately?

   OakleyChair

   1:32:02Well. If you're basically gonna say the same thing, it would be better if one of you spoke for the three minutes. Well

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:32:10we actually have a presentation. There's a slide. Thank you. We have a we

   1:32:14have

   1:32:14a slide presentation. Thank you, sir. Um and I was going to start it, my daughter was going to continue and my mom will finish up if that's okay. Um and it's just the first couple of pages are just showing the um Introduction. My name is Wanda. There is a there's a very loud background noise. Are you guys hearing that as well? Because it's very distracting. Is there a

   OakleyChair

   1:32:37little bit more?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:32:38Okay. And ma'am,

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:32:39just when everyone when each individual comes up to speak if they could state their name and address for the record and then they can begin. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:32:47Okay, my name is Juan Daniel, [address removed]. If you could fast forward to slide number three. We would like to cover time permitting, a description and comparison of our 50-year-old non-HOA subdivision to others within the area, including traffic environmental issues and a specific issues with specific commercial entities as well as alternative uses slide. Casco County has rapidly gone from a rural to a heavily commercial area. Slide please. Our the county's motto is open spaces vibrant places. A commercial

   1:33:17property in front of an agricultural residential neighborhood is not fitting with that motto. We are the only subdivision in this area without space between the main road and homes, as we'll show, and we'll there are no parks or community areas within our borders as other have others have. As you'll see, we are overwatered and underserved. Slide. Um we do have some suggestions on a future use, one or future planning for the area. One for us would be a nice place to for our community to meet, like a park area. Slide. Many

   1:33:48of our residents have been here for decades before with rapid expansion. Our subdivisions enjoy spaces between our homes. We're not looking into each other's windows, and we have space for our farm animals and pets as well as enjoying wildlife regularly slide. The next several slides will compare the entrances into Sierra Pines, Meadowbrook, and other neighborhoods. This is the entrance into Sierra Pines. There is a narrow two-lane road. There's a turning lane recently added in the last couple of years with the new traffic light. The remaining roads through Sierra Pines are narrow two-lane roads. Meadowbrook

   1:34:19Drive at this point measures 30 to 24 feet, with the additional turning lane makes it 33 to 34 feet for the Pasco. Planner, on in comparison, an average semi is 72 feet, and I do not see how a semi could turn into this and come out on Meadowbrook to be able to make that right hand or left hand turn onto 54. Um And in addition, because the roads are small and curvy, there's no place within Sierra Pines to for a 72-foot truck to turn around. There's winding streets, dead ends, sharp curves, and narrow passages.

   1:34:49Slide. The next several slides show the differences. This one is a balantray. It's 124 feet wide. The entrance crosses a three-lane with a median and signage slide. Oakstead is two-sided, two ways and sixty feet slide. And Suncoast is two-sided medium with sign and landscaping. It is a two-way road as well. It's 121 feet. At the last meeting, Ms. Starkey showed pictures of properties with commercial and residential nearby. However, all of those properties had multiple roads, entryways in and out. They were

   1:35:19not in residential agricultural subdivisions. They were not in a wetland with flooding issues and were not dependent on well water. While the combination of commercial and residential is appropriate in some areas, it is not appropriate.

   1:35:31And Metaplooks, excuse me. Realtors compare properties for appropriate pricing models. We are completely different from the rest of the models. We do not have parked areas, public ponds, walkways, sideways, public streetlights, or bike paths. Sly. Bexley's entrance is similar, as you can see, to the other subdivisions. I don't have the exact width, but I do believe it's the widest in the area slide. Uh there is a comparison sheet that is included, slide. And next several slides, you

   1:36:02can go through that. The next several slides starting on page thirteen. Okay, next next speaker.

   OakleyChair

   1:36:09Yeah, next speaker. Okay.

   Moore

   1:36:13Mr Mr. Chairman Mariano. This is Commissioner Oakley before we start the clock. Yeah. The last speaker um mentioned that there's it's hard to hear and there's a lot of rustling. That's almost all I hear is somebody rustling papers. So I highly suggest that if somebody could mute their microphones, whoever's playing Orgami or whatever they're doing because it's really, really left.

   OakleyChair

   1:36:41Okay. We don't hear that at all here.

   Moore

   1:36:45But everybody so I can hear is that means everybody else can hear it. That means they're hearing it at home, that means they're hearing it on WebEx, that means all the all everybody's hearing. Instead of a microphone with somebody speaking, it's rustling a paper.

   OakleyChair

   1:36:56Okay.

   1:37:00All right.

   1:37:02Next speaker.

   Moore

   1:37:04You

   OakleyChair

   1:37:04know there?

   Alexandria Neal

   1:37:08Um hi, my name is Alexandria Neal. I'm at um [address removed]. I'm continuing my mother's presentation. Um can we start on slide thirteen, please?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:37:21Keep going. Next slide. There you go.

   Alexandria Neal

   1:37:24Okay. So the next two pages still maps with gas stations nearby. A lack of gas stations on the south side of um SR fifty four was mentioned at a previous meeting. Like gas station. A gas station is planned at Ballantrain SR on the south side of the road, 0.4 miles away from the subject property, therefore there will be a gas station on the south side of the road. That will make five gas stations within four miles and three within a half mile. A gas station is not a necessity. Slide.

   1:37:50Our racetrack convenience store and gas station is half a mile away. Slide. This is just examples of everything. X seven eleven just opened it, Oakstead. Slide. You go. Okay. And in addition, rain is a huge problem on Meadowbrook Drive as well as many other places throughout the subdivision.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:38:09That's actually gone. This is the five foot

   Alexandria Neal

   1:38:11stream. So this is the five foot stream that happens like during flooding season.

   1:38:17Which is directly adjacent to the subject property. I can send it back slide, sorry. Um concerned with that would be Um sorry. Yeah, I know, but Seth. Points to consider how will large truck or other vehicles turn in this without ending up in the stream? How will cars navigate? When water is contaminated, where will it go? Because it's just neighborhood. Um the residents directly adjacent or near the property, how will they be protected? Slide.

   1:38:48And there's another flood uh or there's another road flooded in Sierra Pines, it goes all around. One slide. And then there's more flooding and debris. The roadway in the top picture is completely overrun and it is also adjoining another waterway. In addition, there are two ponds, including one on our property behind the house where the water overflows. Slide.

   1:39:10Can you imagine multiple lost vehicles trying to navigate through this? Slide. Um there are multiple environmental concerns previously shown. Researchers at Johns Hopkins University found that a typical gas station, gas droplets add up to an estimated fifteen hundred liters of gas spilled over a ten-year period, including seven or eight liters of benzene, a carcinogenic component of gasoline. Additionally, there are concerns of toxics in the air for nearby residents and as they're As there is no barrier or space between the property and several residences. Earlier studies have found gas additives in the groundwater

   1:39:40in urban areas without a plausible explanation of where it came from. This new research wanna explain it slide. The residents in both in um Sierra Pines and Meadowbrook and nearby communities would prefer that there was nothing to d to see here. And next door next door online poll, they voted overwhelming to leave the sites in their natural states. However, if they had to choose, they'd rather see a garden or a park. There were two hundred and fifty-seven participants in the survey and about three hundred and fifty participants between the survey and um comments, slide.

   1:40:11What if what if we could raise public interest and purchase this property, then make it into a community garden or park, teach sustainability, science and hydropolics to children and save property from commercial development? Next business. What if the owner don't

   OakleyChair

   1:40:26Next speaker.

   Fitzpatrick

   1:40:32We can tell again up the show.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   1:40:36That's that's that's the problem with muting the room, is it's Go ahead.

   OakleyChair

   1:40:41Um your time's up on the second speaker, so it's time for your third speaker.

   Laura Slain

   1:40:49That's the that's the problem.

   OakleyChair

   1:40:59Name and address, please.

   Livian

   1:41:02Yes, my name is Livian L. Oldakowski and I live on [address removed].

   1:41:15Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:41:17Uh slide. My mother is hard of hearing, so if you hear me in the background, it's just because she is a little um hard of hearing. You need to get to slide, she's gonna start on slide 24.

   1:41:32There you go.

   Livian

   1:41:33So Meadowbrook and Sierra Pines and nearby communities have expressed their concerns regularly to next door traffic and environment. are top concerns safety is another concern. In Meadowbrook a Sierra Pines especially as there is no alternative access to Route fifty four. And the legal drive throughout this division

   1:42:04takes about fifteen minutes from uh uh s Route fifty-four Lutz Lake to to Lutz Lake uh Fern Yeah. Uh Sierra Sierra Pines Boulevard. Recently an alligator was spotted in Meadowbrook and Riddlepath Court. And uh for a short time there was a concern of passing through while uh animal control attempted to

   1:42:35retrieve the uh uh gauger and uh uh take it to a different spot. Yeah. Property values. The continual growth on the heavily increased traffic on Route fifty four are also valid concerns of all who live in this area. Right.

   1:43:02We two residents here choose our home because of the rural feeling and the different with other properties in area. It is unfair to change the rules of the game after the Keep on whistle. Whistle. has blown to start again. This time it's a little bit more than a little bit Jane.

   Unidentified speakerVoice U

   1:43:29This

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:43:29committee.

   Livian

   1:43:32This um this committee is charged with doing what is right for the

   1:43:40Communities as a whole. It is clear that uh Only entry to entity. The only entity, I'm sorry. would b benefit from this change is the in the zoning and and this property is the owner of this property and the one benefit would be financial gain for the owner of the property and Probab perhaps does?

   1:44:11they support while the residents suffer both uh financially and Hmm.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:44:19Well how press

   Livian

   1:44:20it. Um sorry, I'm hearing honey.

   OakleyChair

   1:44:28Yeah.

   1:44:32Mr. Chairman

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:44:32Okay. Okay. Are the mics on?

   OakleyChair

   1:44:38No, they've been cut off because

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:44:39that's time. All right. Uh Mr. Chair

   OakleyChair

   1:44:41time's up. All right, thank you.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:44:44There's no one else on WebEx for um this item.

   OakleyChair

   1:44:48Okay.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:44:48And I do have um emails that were submitted for item P forty seven and I believe they are individuals at the kiosk.

   OakleyChair

   1:44:56Let's go to the kiosks at this time.

   1:45:11Please state your name and address for the record.

   Sharon Honeywell Johnson

   1:45:15Okay, my name is Sharon Honeywell Johnson, [address removed]. Uh Want to talk about the special exception that the commissioner, the chairman brought up that was adjacent across the street from this property. It was rescinded in 2009. I did send a copy of that to Amy that is with Pasco County last night. It was for the use of be able to use it for a real estate office. No signs were permitted. It was not zone commercial. It was a special exception that

   1:45:45has been gone now for 13 years. meters. So there is no business across the street from this property. Also, this pro this property does have two separate parcels. Okay, so you have 0.6 acres that is abutted up to j uh State Route 54. The parcel behind it, it's two separate parcel IDs, two separate taxes that they pay. And then the second parcel is 100% within our neighborhood. It does not abut up to State Route 54. Just because one person owns it.

   1:46:15It's till two separate parcels. This p gas station and we know it's gonna be a gas station and you see the floods that the prior uh slides were showing you, those that water is right there. And that will whatever contamination is gonna go into our well. The road there, I would love for the county commissioners to come out there and see really how wide this road is. That this is going to be an exit for this service station as well as an entrance, because they're only allowed one on State Road

   1:46:4654. There is accidents at this intersection almost. Every day, multiple times a week, and then we're gonna allow all this activity to go in. Can you imagine being directly across the street from this parcel, not more than 20 feet away and having your children? Because Mark that spoke previously has two kids that you're talking twenty feet away from the front of your property, you're gonna have these big lights and everything that is in there. You're not gonna be able to buffer that when it's 20 feet from your property. This

   1:47:16is a residential neighborhood. This does not go in line to what Commissioner Starkey said as far as, you know, like McDonald's and so forth that they everybody else has presented before. Um The adjacent property behind there as well. I mean, you're gonna be able to see all of this. So I am begging the county commission to deny the compliant. We did have conversations with Barbara if they wanted to bring like an office in there and so forth, but not the highest

   1:47:46zoning and allow a gas station to come in here when you have another one being built, not even a quarter of a mile. Mile from here, just on the other side of our neighborhood, that's directly across from the Circle K at Ballantray, they're putting in another Circle K gas station. How many gas stations do we need within this area? So I beg the County Commission to please deny the motion, the the Comp plan adoption. Thank you.

   OakleyChair

   1:48:12Thank you for your comments. Next individual.

   Unidentified speakerVoice P

   1:48:17Uh yes, my name's Christy Honeywell. I reside at [address removed]. Um, I just want to address the fact that when um The must not be. the people that were um presenting their case in favor of this gas station seem to have a lot more attention from the commission than our arguments do with you guys. So just wanted to point that out.

   OakleyChair

   1:48:44Thank you. Next individual.

   Jennifer Robertson

   1:48:50My name's Jennifer Robertson. I reside at [address removed]. And I wanted to point out first of all it can see that Meadowbrook is not at grade. allowing that flooding to go across the road. That can get as deep as eighteen inches on the road. So you do have to have a tall vehicle. to be on that road during flooding season. The

   1:49:20other thing is the residence that is across the road. It was her residence. When it was a real estate. allowed exception, she saw maybe two or three Um people in a month. Possibly. That also expired in two thousand and nine. that was um not allowed to have any signage, not allowed to have anything like that. Um

   1:49:50she was partially retired. Um Also write on behind the where the gas station is, where the uh the next residence is, where the white fence is on some of the pictures. There is a school bus stop there. It has elementary, middle, and high school bus children there. Um There's there's the road is

   1:50:20not what I would consider a collector road. I consider a collector road is being collecting different pieces of a neighborhood into one road. to uh like Bexley or like Ballantry. We are one straight residential road. Every single

   1:50:47residence after that that entrance is all residential. I I can understand the half an acre being You know, the front half an acre being commercial. The other three that have an address on met on fifty four, uh I can understand those being commercial. And the most logical thing to collect all of those frontage commercials would be an office. If you allow a gas station

   1:51:17there, you will mess up your future um commercial options for those other three. So I I disagree with allowing this comp plan to go through. Thank you.

   OakleyChair

   1:51:34Thank you.

   Jennifer Robertson

   1:51:37Yeah.

   OakleyChair

   1:51:38Next individual.

   Amanda Grayson

   1:51:40Or a continuation. Hi, my name is Amanda Grayson. I live at [address removed]. Um we've been in Meadowbrook Estates for seven years now. Um it's already been pointed out. Well first I want to say that my husband and I are both opposed to this. Uh you'd probably remember my husband, he's the one that addressed y'all as congressmen and congresswoman last time. But he is off working, so he is doing his best to provide for our little family that is growing. We have a third on the way. It's already been pointed out that our community is right off of

   1:52:1054, with the first home being less than 100 feet from 54. Ballantray is 0.4 miles to the first home, Bexley is 1.1 miles, Concord Station is half a mile. This is from 54 to the first home in the subdivision. Long Lake Ranch is 0.4 miles and like I said, Meadowbrook Estates is a hundred and a hundred feet from the uh fifty-four to the first home. I would like to point out that last time it was considered the little piece of property that's the drainage ditch was called a canal last time.

   1:52:40And it was told that it was 45 feet by Ms. Starkey. Well, according to the Pasco County website, on the property appraisers, it's only 35 feet, which is 10 feet less. And the drainage ditch itself is 18 feet. My husband and I measured it today with a hundred foot measuring tape. So to say that this is a canal is not accurate at all. And you can see that when there's a lot of rain, it does turn into a canal because it goes over our street and it floods everything. Uh you can also,

   1:53:10as someone had already mentioned earlier, we don't have any street lights. It is beautiful in our community at night. There's no street lights. We get in our backyard lightning bugs, which my husband and my kids think are the greatest things. And more street lights, this takes it away. That's what's going in next door. at a Cyprus ranch. Um did you also know that there are nine lots on fifty-four within Meadowbrook Estates? So your vote today sets the stage for what's going forward. Let's say that you approve it today. That gives all of the other

   1:53:40landowners on 54 within Meadowbrook the opportunity to come to you and ask for a change. We are the second lot off 54 on Riverstone Drive. There's a lot just north of us that's vacant. This will give the opportunity for that person to come in and say, I want to change mine to commercial. And they are right next to uh The Cypress Ranch. And lastly, I'd wanna say that uh it was pointed out last time that You know, it's great to have something like a gas station or convenience store

   1:54:11there. Because like your children will be able to stroll up to it. Well, my children are not strolling up there. Miss Starkey, I just wanted to let you know. No, that's not the way that our family works. There's too many, there was a child abduction in Newport Ritchie last week. There's too many hit um hit and runs. There's auto accidents. It is just not appropriate to assume that my family is going to do something like that to pursue your agenda. So I hope that you would just see that all of us are here. There's one person there from the other side. We have had people speak for us. We

   1:54:41had a huge group last time. We have positions. We care about our little community and we wish that y'all would Appreciate that.

   OakleyChair

   1:54:52Thank you for your comments. Is there anyone else at the um kiosks?

   Unidentified speakerVoice V

   1:54:59The um last speaker um declined to speak and there is nobody left here at the kiosk for this item. All

   OakleyChair

   1:55:05right, thank you. We have some emails to be read into

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:55:11Yes, Mr. Chairman Mariano. We do. Right. All right, so the first email is from Angela Miller. Uh address is [address removed].

   1:55:29Over Our over 50 plus year Meadowbrook subdivision cannot support the type of intrusive commercial development that this proposal would allow. We would agree to a less invasive comp plan instead. New subdivisions along 54 are double lanes, having several entrances and exits. Our neighborhood has only one maintained by the county. It is impossible to add lanes to accommodate the extra traffic flow. And if this business brought considerable traffic and two lanes existing Meadowbrook would have

   1:55:59to be changed to only right turn lanes. Emergency vehicles will have restricted access to Meadowbrook to people in emergency situations since passenger vehicles at the light will not be able to get out of the way, putting lives in jeopardy. Also the nearest ER in hospital are to the left, making it a liability for the county if there are only right turn lanes. In Comp Plan amendment. This comp plan amendment allows for the most intrusive types of businesses such as a gas station. Therefore a gas

   1:56:29station will be used as my example since the land could easily be sold to one. This land will never be a kitty campus daycare since it is on a major highway and there are already two within blocks and one in the development. There are five gas stations within four miles of our homes. None of these gas stations are just are just feet away from a waterway eventually f um funneling into the Anquote River. Any pollution would cause a natural disaster, polluting every waterway

   1:57:00connected. This will be a huge problem to the NMFS, the National Marine Fisheries Service, a federal agency. None of the gas stations along 54 are this close to a subdivision. Fact in quotes: Due to the high crime statistics involving gas stations, Florida has a statute, the Florida Convenience Store Statute, caught a as section eight one two point one seven one which requires convenient store owners and gas station operating between the hours of eleven and six to prevent

   1:57:30foreseeable crimes. There is no way to prevent foreseeable crimes. What if this was your home? When there is a vehicle or pedestrian accident or fatality, our Hundred and Fifty Plus Member Coalition will show the grieving family the Commission knew full well This interaction or this intersection would have never been allowed to become even worse via this comp plan amendment and the great increase in traffic it would it will cause. In response to your denial vote, We voters will s

   1:58:00will help support you with a less intrusive type of comp plan. If you want the vote for our relatives, friends and coworkers, you will not approve this comp plan.

   1:58:13Mm. Next email is from Kevin Miller.

   1:58:18Address is [address removed]. I'm not opposed to commercial development. As long as the area can support the traffic it brings, entering and exiting this parcel solely from Meadowbook Drive would bring an enormous amount of traffic. to a roadway that just isn't designed to support that kind of traffic. The intersection would need to be widened, especially on the Meadowbrook side, to accommodate the increased traffic. The only way to accommodate for the traffic that this type of plan would allow without traffic congestion is to remove the

   1:58:48left turn lane and make two right turn only lanes existing from Meadowbrook Drive. This would not only be an inconvenience for drivers headed west, but will also put lives in danger as our closest ER in hospitals are. are to the left. When emergencies happen, time is of the essence and with an underdeveloped intersection with increased traffic, this will put lives in jeopardy. Based on the location of the parcel existing into Meadowbrook will only be possible near the traffic light. Just a few cars lined up at the traffic

   1:59:19light will prevent cars from exiting the parcel, therefore blocking cars entering Meadowbrook from 54. The data that Beacon Civil Engineer provided to you regarding traffic volumes was during COVID when many people were working from home, is of dubious accuracy and does not account for the dozens of homes, apartments being moved into daily along fifty four, or the snowbirds coming in droves. The annual growth rate of two percent is underestimated. The Comp plan would have to take away Our left turn lane because of the eval

   1:59:49the Elevation was performed based on the turn lane warrant criteria indicating that the impact would be so much traffic that they will have to remove our left turn lane, making two right turn lanes. Engineers stated it will operate acceptably. Waiting behind eight cars is considered acceptable. What four way intersection on a state road has a street that only turn that only right turn lanes? All of the gas stations along fifty four have double

   2:00:20lanes to enter and exit. Many of my neighbors and myself would support turning this land into a business that would have less traffic, such as an office complex. Please do not approve this comprehensive plan since it would allow for the most intrusive and busy business such as a gas station. The voters living in Meadowbrook Sierra Pines would support Our commissioners with this process if you could support us right now in voting against this comprehensive plan amendment.

   2:00:50Next email is from Teresa Muzio. Address is [address removed].

   Unidentified speakerVoice W

   2:01:07Okay.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:01:11Um regarding the proposed commercial development of the two parcels at the north entrance of Meadowbrook Estates, I'm opposed to this development in addition to the negative impacts this development will have on the community with increased traffic. Loud noise, contamination of groundwater because of spilled gas. Everyone in the community relies on wells for our water pollution. intersection flooding, etc. It will also cause safety rule safety issues for all of the for all of the community. Meadowbrook Estates only has one main road on and off Highway 54, which is

   2:01:41Meadowbrook Drive. In the event of a medical emergency, medical personnel as well as individuals in the community need to be able to enter and exit the community quickly and easily, having a direct path to the closest hospital emergency, which is to the left. Allowing more traffic. To enter and exit on Meadowbrook Drive intersection will cause a backup of traffic and make it impossible to quickly enter or exit onto Highway 54. I live in Meadowbrook Estates with my handicapped husband and elderly mother. This safety issue is a risk I

   2:02:11do not want to experience. I am sure other citizens in Meadowbrook estates have the same concern. If Pasco County approves this development, how is this safety how is this safety issue going to be addressed? The community must be protected. Safety can only be cannot be overlooked. Please. Make sure this issue is documented and addressed to the com community's satisfaction.

   2:02:35Uh the next email is from Terry Grant.

   2:02:40Address is [address removed].

   2:02:48I believe that misinformation has been used to support Kitty Campus application. My purpose to is to address contradictory or imprecise statements expressed during the board meet during the board's March 23rd meeting. The BCC says that they must consider Kitty Campus property rights, but that's invalid. The parcels were zoned AR one with Kitty Campus per when Kitty Campus purchased them. Kitty Campus seeks the land use changes for their economic advantage. Florida courts have held that the property owner creates Uh creates

   2:03:18its own hardship when they knew the zoning when buying property. We know that Kitty Campus entered a contract to sell the property to a fuel station developer. Pasco County staff Say say that the county is supposed to apply the principle of highest use when an applicant fails to satisfy a land use. as is the case with Kitty Campus, and that a gasoline station is the highest use at their at their lots. Therefore, the BCC and Planning Commission should assume that a gas station will be constructed at the two lots.

   2:03:49The southernmost of two lots is not at the intersection, so it cannot benefit by being classified as located at a signalized intersection of a highway and collector road. Kitty Campus has not provided results of any studies to that match the circumstances of a fuel station built at a narrow local road within an already established neighborhood whose homeowners depend on groundwater. No matter, it's obvious that traffic will increase substantially and nearby home values will decrease when a fuel station

   2:04:19is built on vacant lots next to residences. Few people seek to live next to a significant source of pollution when a home is served by well water. The board only acknowledges two homes next to the lots, but there are six homes next door. A board member showed aerials that proposed. uh purportedly illustrated situations like the applicant's proposal, but they were dissimilar. One aerial set was said to be an operating gas station, but it is abandoned. In fact there are no

   2:04:50signalized intersections on State Road 54 with a fuel station and homes immediately adjoining the fuel station. But even if the app scan can't demonstrate that a fuel station, a pollution source, was constructed at an established neighborhood that depends on groundwater, then a prior injustice doesn't justify another. The board did not acknowledge the critical groundwater quality issue. And when the Board summarized our complaints, they categorized them as perceived, not reality, insulting insinuating that our concerns are not legitimate.

   2:05:21But in a profound contradiction, a board member relied on their own false perceptions, declaring that Meadowbrook Estates has very wide streets. We measured the streets in Meadowbrook Estates and Sierra Pines, and they are narrower than any nearby neighborhood. The board and applicant rely on the county place development in McDonald's as a precedent, but it's completely different. County country place is further from 54 and their entrance road is much wider. Commercial development preceded the McDonald's. A gas station typically draws greater traffic volume and a

   2:05:51McDonald's doesn't cause groundwater pollution.

   2:05:57The applicant falsely asserted that there are no other commercial uses at the signalized intersection. Was that three minutes? Okay, thank you.

   2:06:08All right. The next email is from Melinda Grantham Holmes. Address is [address removed].

   2:06:20My name is Melinda Grantham Holmes. I'm a law lifelong resident of the Lutzland Lakes area. I have owned my property in Meadowbrook Estates since two thousand. I enjoy the feeling of living in a more rural area with shopping, restaurants, and amenities close by. I have seen and understand the growth of my area, but I am deeply concerned the change in zoning of the property located on the southwest corner of State Road 54 and Murderbrook Road. The need for the traffic light at the intersection of fifty-four and Ritterbrook was brought on by a number of traffic

   2:06:50accidents when drivers attempting Crossing the multi-lane highway. I do not agree with the argument the stoplight provides for adequate and entry and exit if the proposed change of zoning allows for retail, i.e. fuel station, convenience store, or car wash. In addition to increased traffic, I suspect there will be an increase in crime in our neighborhood. There is no buffer between the property for rezoning and our neighborhood. as with nearby communities. As mentioned in the review of said proposal, my property value

   2:07:20will be negatively impacted if the zoning is changed and commercial development is allowed to be placed within a designated development or neighborhood. I'm asking the Board of Commissioners to deny this request and denote the lots in question be safe, be left residential agriculture for the foreseeable future.

   2:07:41The next email is from Beverly Camp.

   2:07:46Address is [address removed]. I'm writing this letter as I am not able to attend the meeting in person due to work commitments that I must keep. I am concerned with the proposal to again attempt to turn the lane used. at State Road 54 and Meadowbrook to Drive to C two. My family has resided in Meadowbrook Estate since nineteen ninety two and I live not far from the entrance at the neighborhood. If the property is changed to C two I am concerned being the parent of a

   2:08:16young school aged child That there is no sidewalks in our community and that adding something to the property at State Road 54 and Middlebrook Drive would create more traffic that would put my child in danger. I'm concerned that this is the only viable and quickest entrance exit for my family from the neighborhood. God forbid an emergency should arise. And I'm concerned that my child's bus stop is just down the street from this property. Traffic in this area, due to it being an exit. for the property at

   2:08:46the corner to return to State Road 54. Meadowbrook Estates is not a master plan community. Like all the others along fifty State Road 54, and the homes do not sit back from the entrance of the neighborhood like the others. I would love to have peace of mind that when my child is out and about in our community, that he is safe from additional traffic from non-residents. I have heard repeat uh reputedly that the proposed land buyers plan to buy a gas station on the property, which also concerns me as

   2:09:17All the neighborhood use uses wells to obtain water for their homes, including drinking water. Thank you for your time to allow me to express my concerns.

   2:09:27And This is the last email that I have to read for item P forty seven. It's from Linda Shellack.

   2:09:38Mm-hmm.

   2:09:40Her address is [address removed].

   2:09:51Okay. Um it looks like she's sent an email and then corrected it so I'll read the original email.

   2:09:58First.

   2:10:03Okay.

   2:10:05I have been a resident in the Meadowbrook Estate subdivision since 1980. I object to the comprehensive plan use plan change for this parcel from Res 3 to commercial. This change would allow heavy commercial uses such as a gas station, car wash, Vehicle repair garage. uh dry cleaners and many other heavy commercial businesses. The intended use of this parcel is a gas station confirmed by Christina Acosta in the planning department who had a copy of this sales contract which is conditioned upon the property owner Kitty Campus University Inc. achieving

   2:10:35a comprehensive plan amendment to commercial and rezoning to C2. This parcel is the very first and second residential lots in the entrance to Meadowbrook Estate subdivision. There's not a long road between State Road 54 and the first house. or entrance to the home, like Ballantray or Bexley, where they have a long road between the commercial corner at fifty-four and the entrance to any home. In this case, there is a house directly across the street to the east, a house directly to the west, and a house directly to the south of

   2:11:05the parcel. There is insufficient footage along State Road 54 to accommodate an entrance and an exit on State Road 54. So any business would have to exit directly into Meadowbrook Drive into the residential neighborhood. Environmental issues. All homes in Metalbrook Estates are on wells, allowing any commercial use, particularly as gas stations or dry cleaners known for leakage and Environmental contamination could contaminate many, if not all, of the residents drinking water with carcinogens. This

   2:11:36could also make their homes worthless. Safety issues. There is a school bus stop just a half block away from this parcel, which could make it very dangerous for children. Traffic concerns. There is already a traffic problem at this intersection with residents of Meadowbrook Estates and Sierra Pine Subdivision. to the south. Total of four hundred and thirty five plus or minus homes. Plus school buses trying to exit onto State Road fifty four. The traffic backs up at the light because Meadowbrook Drive into Meadowbrook Estates is one lane in and one lane out with a very short

   2:12:06left turn lane. Traffic from and commercial butt businesses will only make the problem worse. A traffic study contained by obtained by the applicant or the purchaser estimated that 2,400 vehicles per day could exit onto Meadow Brick Drive into the residential neighborhood. This could mean dump trucks, semi-trucks, delivery trucks, tanker trucks, and many other types of vehicles. Miscellaneous. The property owner's Kitty Campus University Inc. has already been turned down twice. for rezoning the property to see two commercial because of the amount of traffic into a residential

   2:12:36neighborhood. While it may be inevitable that the lots facing State Road 54 in Meadowbrook estates, including this parcel, could be changed to some type of commercial status. I hope that the change would not allow for heavy commercial business. A professional office would be much more suitable for this parcel due to its proximity to the residential neighborhood. I ask that the commissioners please vote not to approve the requested change.

   2:12:59Then she says I wanted to correct uh some information that was included on the attached letter to be read at the four twenty twenty-one Board of County Commissioners.

   2:13:11That's it. Time is up on that one. I have no further emails to read on the record for item P forty seven.

   OakleyChair

   2:13:19Okay.

   2:13:24Um Ms. Wilhout?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:13:31Yes, Commissioner, thank you.

   OakleyChair

   2:13:33I'm

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:13:33gonna start with having Mike Mike Razor, our transportation consultant, speak to he's been on listening to all the public comments, and I'm gonna have him do a presentation to you to uh to um answer some of the questions raised.

   Mike Razor

   2:13:47Okay.

   2:13:49Uh good afternoon. Um My name is Mike Razor with Razor Transportation Consulting. I am a Florida registered professional engineer with a specialization in traffic and transportation. Today's hearing is regarding the Complant in Land Use, which requires a transportation needs assessment for the code, where that study was prepared by my office dated October 27th, 2020, and approved by staff on January 20th, 2021. That study looked at the collector and arterial

   2:14:20roadways. In the vicinity of the project, specifically State Road 54 and the segment of Meadowbrook Road north of 54, that is the collector roadway, both were identified to operate at level service C with and without the comprehensive plan amendment. We also prepared a time-in-phase in analysis, which is to accompany the Euclidean rezone application for the C2 zoning. which is not the subject of today, but I did prepare that and have additional information that may help

   2:14:50in today's hearing. Given that the rezone is Euclidean, it does not include a specific site plan, specific land use, or specific access. So that study relied upon the Land Development Code reasonable yield calculation, which resulted in just under thirty thousand square feet of commercial land use, which that re reasonable yield calculation does tend to trend worst case. Um the study assumed one potential reasonable

   2:15:20access uh scenario, which consisted of a write-in from State Road 54. and um full access to Meadowbrook, which provides for a worst case scenario in regard to Meadowbrook as and its intersection with State Road fifty four as all exiting traffic would have been sent to to Meadowbrook for this scenario. And I I do note that specific access would be worked out during site plan permitting. as would other items such as site distance, the grade

   2:15:50of the connection, and other similar items. And we would be coordinating that with DOT as we would be seeking a connection from Saber 64 in addition to the Meadow Growth. The findings of that study indicate indicated that the signalized intersection of 54 and Mobrook will continue to operate acceptably in regard to and specifically the county's transportation performance standard pursuant to land and development code. The traffic counts that were used in that study were adjusted

   2:16:21to reflect COVID-19 and atypical traffic volumes per simplicity to DOT criteria. Meadowbrook Drive south of State Road 54 was reconstructed and improved by FDOT in 2016 as part of its improvements to State Road 54, including in the six-lane widening and signalization at Meadowbrook. Those limits. Or from State Road fifty four. southward to the creek along the project tonnage at a distance of about three hundred and fifty

   2:16:51feet. Up within that segment, the lanes are 12 foot in width. There's a 60 foot ride of way. And at the intersection with 54, there are three lanes. So there's 36 feet of pavement in that area. And as those lanes converge back to the two-lane section, 24 feet. Uh we have reviewed that segment of road as that would be the segment that any traffic from this project would would use other than perhaps folks that live in the neighborhood returning home. Um and we

   2:17:22had found that the roadway conditions meet the county roadway standards in consideration of substandard road criteria. Um Also uh there was a brief discussion about potential neighborhood intrusion and whatnot. And I I find that highly unlikely to occur given the orientation of the site, the You shed the state road fifty-four. Um And that concludes my presentation. And

   2:17:52of course I'll be happy to answer any traffic questions that you guys may have. Thank you very much.

   OakleyChair

   2:17:58Thank you. Thank you.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:18:00Thank you, Mike. Daph, do you have my PowerPoint?

   2:18:10So Commissioner Oakley again, Mr. Preston had just asked for me to address you know, what was discussed during our meeting. And I've always been very receptive to discussing anything related to the um deed restriction that I've been working on. and absolutely would go through uses and discuss those. Um however, what stops the conversation is I've been very transparent that a potential permitted use of this property is

   2:18:40convenient store with gas pumps and that stops the conversation. The other non starter with Mr. Pressman and his team was not starting at office and then and then pulling uses out of office. So, um 'cause w our rezoning application is the C two. So Next page?

   2:19:01Next slide, excuse me. So as you've been has it's been explained to you that this property is located in your South Market urban concentration area. It fronts on fifty four, a six-line Arturo Highway. We're located at Signalize Intersection and there are no other commercial uses at the Signalized Intersection. Commercial use has a very specific definition. And so when I say there's no more commercial uses, there are not. The Northeast there are some professional office uses. and underutilization of the counties and FDST investment and infrastructure at this location

   2:19:32by not having any commercial uses. It may lead to more unsignalized intersections being signalized if we don't locate our commercial uses at already signalized intersections. Next slide.

   2:19:46Property is currently zoned AR1. The purpose of the AR1 district, as you can see, is to curtail urban development in areas which lack facilities until such time as those facilities are available. So conditions have changed and all facilities are at this location. Next slide.

   2:20:08The comprehensive plan, your comprehensive plan specifically directs where you want to see calm land uses. And this um application applies with that. The board has said this is where we want to see commercial land uses. They want to see them at intersections. The this is The subject property is adjacent to an existing collector and arterial intersection. Your staff has gone through that with you and explained that that is the case here. Um the other two policies D and C staff has gone over as well.

   2:20:39And per policy flu 1.6.2 subject property is the location for C two commercial uses. There has been A discussion of policy 1.6.4 that talks about new commercial uses should not be located internally within single family neighborhoods. A couple things there. One, that policy is written for when you don't comply with 1.6.2. And and the second one is that it talks about internally. I can tell you I had a hand in drafting that condition and

   2:21:09the thoughts of what that meant was internal and not edge. This is an edge condition and a changing edge because of the signalization and because of Of the development that you see on fifty four and the type of road that fifty four is. the example that comes to my mind when when that policy was written internal was if you think about Regency Park Boulevard. At Glenmore there's an internal commercial piece there. And that was the thought was that if if you weren't complying with one point six point two and the

   2:21:39board was trying to give direction where they wanted to see, so you're not at a signalized intersection on State Road fifty four, the board was trying to give direction their comp plans to where they'd want to see commercial uses and so that they did not want to see them replicating what was what happened on Regency Park Boulevard. Although, interestingly enough Mutterum now comes along and and you have a c ordinance that that wants to see internal um commercial uses in neighborhoods. So So

   2:22:09we we are not in in violation of one point six point four. Next slide.

   2:22:17You've heard about transitional um land uses and the policies in your comp plan regarding that. Uh you can look at COM is a compatible transitional land use through compliance with your LDC requirements and the proposed ED restriction, which It keeps getting stricter and stricter as I continue to work on it. We're not presenting the deed restriction to you all today because we're here at the comp plan hearing. Your decision today is whether Res 3 is your vision for this property is going to be residential or non-residential. So

   2:22:48our application is to commercial, which is a non-residential category. So we've not brought forward the rezoning discussion. that Planning Commission is going to have on Thursday and then it'll be back before you in May. But we'll continue to work on those deed restrictions and the buffering and and the like. You implement your comp plan through your land development code and The the policy one point four point four is implemented by your L D C requirements for buffering, building height,

   2:23:18lighting, on site parking, stacking, loading, refuge storage, trees, landscaping. Drainage. as well as um groundwater quality, all those things are are in there. We are looking at um whether there's an additional um we can exceed the standards for drainage instead of we're looking at storm events greater than the twenty five year, twenty four uh twenty four hour event. which would be what the requirement is for the development

   2:23:48of this property. But if we can exceed it and provide a benefit or potential benefit to the community, we are looking at doing that. Again, not really a compliment discussion, a discussion Um more better had at the time of zoning. Next slide.

   2:24:05This is the example that was given at Country Place and that example was given for a couple of reasons. One to show that commercial uses can be um coexist with residential uses and I think that example was given because those residents were very concerned about how the traffic from the McDonald's Um which is a high traffic generator, wood interact with their traffic on Country Place Boulevard. And I've been to that McDonald's at all times and they interact and coexist very well. So I think that's was mostly the

   2:24:35reason why that was discussed. Next slide.

   2:24:40It's the same picture of that same that's just the country place that's behind um that McDonald's. Next slide.

   2:24:51So so I wanna give you this perspective. Can you hear me, Commissioner?

   Tim Wilfong

   2:24:55Yes.

   2:24:57We hear you.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:24:58Can you still hear me? Yeah. I had I had been granted extra time so I wanted to make sure that my mic wasn't cut off. So this is a picture that you don't see, um I haven't seen maybe. This is what it actually looks like at the intersection of Meadowbrook and State Road 54. I could even go back further. This parcel, the subject parcel has trees on it that will be removed with any development of the property. Um and so there is a four-story apartment complex directly at this intersection that's visible from from

   2:25:28and will be visible whenever trees are removed from some of those neighboring parcels. Next slide.

   2:25:37Wanted to have a picture of whether you rec whether you call it a creek or a ditch, I think I've no reason to dispute the the neighbor who said that it's thirty-five feet of county property and most days an eighteen foot wide um piece of eighteen foot wide water body. No reason to just use that. but it also is a separation in and of itself. So what you see there on the on that picture is you see

   2:26:05You see um a fence, that's Mr. Collins property to the south. He's he is fenced. We intend to buffer on our side as well. So we'll be buffering with a solid masonry wall, then the county property, and then Mr. Collins fence. Next slide.

   2:26:24This is a slide that I think the commissioners have already had up talking about what's going on with with the adjacent properties. Um there's been discussion of the special exception that was previously previously f Adopted by the Planning Commission finding that a business was an appropriate use. for the property directly to the east. Um And we talked about the properties to the west. As here, [address removed] and [address removed] are both own owned by a doctor. [address removed] is already P O one two. Um

   2:26:55so that just gives you the same discussion about about um what's going on. Um and you can see in that picture to the north, you can see the the fourth story building. Next slide.

   OakleyChair

   2:27:04You've gotten uh your twelve minutes are up. So if you could close.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:27:08Okay.

   OakleyChair

   2:27:09Okay.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:27:10Sir? Next slide.

   2:27:16This is an opinion of value. Um you've seen it before. I showed it the last at at the last one talking about how the the three adjacent properties are already located so close to State Road uh 54 and to these unmaintained vacant parcels um that their professional opinion is that it wouldn't affect in their property values. And for the community as a whole, it's it is common to have a non res uh non residential commercial use. at um at the intersection, at the entrance to a subdivision,

   2:27:46um, so that also wouldn't create um a decrease in value. With that, I thank you for your time and uh Would ask you that you support the Comp Plan Amendment. This is step one, which is the adoption of the Comp Plan Amendment. We still have to have a rezoning commission. Planning Commission recommended that you do adopt. the the um the comp plan amendments they have not made a recommendation to you on the zoning yet um so we'd ask that you Make a decision on the comp plan and then w we'll go to Planning Commission and continue on with the process on the rezoning.

   OakleyChair

   2:28:16Okay. Thank you for thank you for your presentation. All right, board. Discussion or questions?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:28:26We'll have some questions.

   2:28:30I don't you know have the whole process memorized. So uh on something like this would uh timing and phasing, you know, the a traffic analysis be required? at the zoning or does it happen here at the complan level? And here comes Terry Pitos. Just uh

   2:28:49kind of weigh in on what kind of traffic would be here.

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:28:52Uh Nictorios Pitos Planning and Development. Uh timing and phasing is usually usually an anal a transportation planning analysis done at the zoning level. At the comprehensive plan level, a transportation needs assessment is conducted typically.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:29:07So if um if so different uses would be So how d how does just for everybody's edification, how does that affect uses on this property? In a rez in a rezoning.

   2:29:25Yeah.

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:29:27The traffic study is going to identify the type of trip generation that's occurring and what's coming and going from the site generally and what kind of impact it places on the on the local street network, the local road network.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:29:41So if certain Um you says were too much, then that kind of um use would not be allowed? I mean that's where that study happens, not h at this point, right?

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:29:54Well the timing and phasing would identify what would be needed to mitigate the impact to the local network.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:29:59And and then then someone has to say whether those kind of impacts are even are allowed or not and therefore a use could be allowed or disallowed. if the impacts couldn't be.

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:30:12Yes, but typically when they do those types of analyses, um it's the most intensive use is utilized

   2:30:22the the maximum amount of impact that a commercial property could have on the local road network. So that if something comes in lower, we know that it's beneath that maximum threshold and so it would work.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:30:35So this is not where something is decided because of traffic?

   Unidentified speakerVoice V

   2:30:39Mr. Chairman Mariano.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:30:41Right? I mean that comes in a zoning hearing.

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:30:43Yes. Okay in a zoning hearing.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:30:44This is just is a a commercial use appropriate. for this kind of property At a signalized intersection on State Road 54.

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:30:56Right, this is con a consideration of a land use.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:30:59And the Planning Commission said it was, and our staff is recommending that it is.

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:31:05Consistent with the comprehensive plan.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:31:07Consistent with what our plan is. Correct. And then um certain conditions and requirements depending on what comes in are applied later.

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:31:20Yes. Right. We don't apply we don't necessarily apply conditions outright at the comprehensive plan level. the condition usually at the comprehensive plan level, the comprehensive plan itself includes various provisions that we have to then implement as we move down into the deeper parts of the process.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:31:38Aye. Thank you. Mr. Chairman Mariano. Thank you. Um so did Mike Razor already do an analysis because that would tell us the current trips and then how many trips would increase or with the gas station compared to how many trips would be happening if it was an office building?

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:31:59I I think I would defer that question to the traffic engineer.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:32:03Mr. Razor, I I believe testified that testified that it w that his analysis was done on thirty thousand square feet of retail. Uh Uh We should have that study.

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:32:18We we do. Uh well it would be part of the zoning case and not necessarily part of the comprehensive plan case.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:32:25Do we have the current trip?

   2:32:28Numbers and then what it would be if there was a gas station or whatever else they would have.

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:32:36But the traffic engineer is online. He'd probably be able to pr to provide that answer more faster than us. Okay. While they reset while you're going to be able to do

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:32:44Mr. Razor is here.

   Mike Razor

   2:32:48Yeah, hello. Uh again, it's Mike Razor for the record. Um For the zoning case, we did already prepare the timing and phase and analysis, and as I had mentioned in my prior testimony, because that zoning case is Euclidean rather than an MPU D It doesn't cite specific uses. So the way the land development code 901.12 handles that there's a term called reasonable yield. And

   2:33:19so the traffic study is based upon a calculation of generally a worst a worst case scenario for for a particular parcel, which takes into account the acreage of that parcel, the maximum area ratio, and there's some calculations associated with that. So In this particular time in phased analysis, again for the Euclidean rezone application. the square footage that was assumed based on the county's

   2:33:49reasonable yield calculation methodology is twenty seven thousand two hundred and eighty Square feet. And that results in the generation of approximately 2,500 daily trips, 2,484. to be precise. Um our Study takes that volume and adds it to the background traffic condition, which consists of existing traffic counts, factored for seasonality, factored for COVID, factored

   2:34:19for growth, adds traffic generated by that 27,000 and change commercial site for the analysis. And as I'd mentioned previously, the results of that analysis identified acceptable operating conditions. in cons in specific consideration of the the length of the level of service transportation performance standards within the code.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:34:45So there's currently twenty seven thousand two hundred and eighty trips, and then you're saying the gas station would yield another two thousand four hundred and eighty four?

   Mike Razor

   2:34:55the existing trips in that particular study. would be zero in the in the in the sense that that you're referencing uh the trips. We start again the this particular study looks at existing traffic that's on the road and at the intersection factored with or several different items, COVID-19, seasonality and background growth and then adds the trips estimated to be generated by that twenty seven thousand two hundred and

   2:35:25eighty square feet of of commercial. where those daily trips are two thousand four hundred and eighty four and during peak hours it's either ab just above or just below two hundred depending on which peak hour you're referring to.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:35:38So what are the current trips going on fifty four in Meadowbrook right now?

   Mike Razor

   2:35:44Um at that intersection, existing traffic volumes. identify

   2:35:52It's an intersection, so there's twelve different movements. Was there s was there a particular traffic volume that you were interested in hearing or would you like me to just go around the intersection or what what would you like what information would you like?

   Fitzpatrick

   2:36:04The ones that are gonna go closest to Meadowbrook.

   Mike Razor

   2:36:09Okay, so we'll we'll we'll go with the the the PM peak hour. That looks like it's the worst case. We have currently 48 right turns from 54 to Meadowbrook Drive, 49 left turns from 54 to Meadowbrook Drive, and 12 turns through movements from Meadowbrook north of fifty four to south of fifty four. And in the opposite direction, accessing 54 or crossing 54, you would have

   2:36:3927 left turns, two through movements, and 51 right turns.

   2:36:46during the AM peak hour. We would have currently there are 13 right turns from 54 onto Meadowbrook Drive, 21 left turns onto Meadowbrook Drive, and there were no vehicles heading south through the intersection. In the northbound, again approaching 54, there were 33 lefts for Meadowbrook Drive onto 54 for through movements and 45 right turns. Those are the existing factor

   2:37:17traffic volumes.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:37:19And what do they think what is the estimated trips if there is a gas station there?

   Mike Razor

   2:37:27Well, again, we don't have information specific to a gas station because it's a Euclidean application. So again, this study relies upon the code reasonable calculation.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:37:40Mike, if I can if I can help you. I think the I think what what you need to answer for the Commissioner is the analysis you i if true The analysis you did is worse than if a gas station was there. You That twenty seven hundred square feet is More transportation impact than you would expect at a gas station, correct?

   Mike Razor

   2:38:08And it it it that is a That is a difficult question to answer because it depends on the type of gas station on this particular site. With this acreage and square footage, I don't know what size gas station we would be able to construct. Again, there's no site plan associated with this.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:38:29Okay.

   Mike Razor

   2:38:29So And that's that's why the reasonable yield calculation takes into account the size of the site. So if we were talking about a typical 7-Eleven type site, I would based on my experience, I don't have this information in front of me, but in general, based on my experience, I would say that this would be a worst-case scenario compared to that. But when you come towards a a Wawa or a racetrack type situation. it it would be either uh those may generate more trips. Um or or

   2:38:59about the same. Again, I don't have the information in front of me to to to to make the th those those particular statements with uh With one hundred percent accuracy, but I will also say to make it even more um of a Not a straightforward type of comparison when you're dealing with gas station sites, you have traffic that will operate in a certain pattern where most vehicles will end up making right turns. So it does have different traffic implications. So you for this particular site and why it's specifically

   2:39:29on the south side of the road, we had heard there are several other gas stations in the area, but there's none other on the south side because you get closer to Collier, several several

   2:39:40Yeah. Um these gas stations are set up for convenience and most of the trips occur through right turns from fifty-four back right turn ultimately back onto fifty-four, whether that's direct or through um Through through Meadowbrook. So these items are all typically handled at the uh site plan permitting stage, much further on down the road. Um for Euclidean zoning, we look at uh code code uh demanded

   2:40:10level of traffic which gets readdressed at the time of site plan permitting through the county access management regulations where we look at the very specific trips, the very specific impacts, and the very specific mitigation.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:40:27Yeah, that's gonna be my question, that's like Mr. Chairman Mariano. Yes. Ms. Darkey. And thank you. I know you didn't have to go into all that traffic stuff at the comp plan hearing, but uh we appreciate hearing it. Um the uh Concerns about The environment I note that the parks and natural resources had no environmental concerns, but Um You know, how when do those kind of things, uh, Terry, get addressed? I

   2:40:57mean obviously the county is concerned that people have clean drinking water and does s is there some assessment about the possibilities and are we la uh you know how does that happen? Just

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:41:14so every comprehensive plan amendment that comes in gets circulated to other departments and agencies for them to comment on. At the comprehensive plan level, we're talking about the calm land use. Um but when we start going deeper into the reviews down to zoning um and then furthermore down into the site plan review, circulations are still happening uh within the Um within the organization. Uh just technically. As you get to the site plan level and you identify what

   2:41:44the site plan is actually going to be. Whether it's a retail uh strip mall or a gas station or whatever else might be in a C two zoning district. Um at that point there would there would be a circulation and comments would be collected. where the different agencies would identify what issues there might be on the site plan that have to be addressed.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:42:07So um You know, w we don't ru typically I'm not R I don't recall ever hearing about A gas station leaking gas into someone's wells?

   2:42:23I've been here thirty years. I don't know, I I haven't heard it uh heard about it. Um, but I would imagine that they have safeguards that they have to put in place and that there are requirements for safety with gas stations. Um that will be discussed at some point so people's fears can be East. If one comes in here?

   OakleyChair

   2:42:46I've got um Mr. Morrill wanted to speak. Okay.

   Moore

   2:42:52Hey, thanks. Thanks Mr. Chairman

   OakleyChair

   2:42:53Mariano.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:42:57And I'm I'm getting a qu question on the gas station. So

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:42:59I just wanted to clarify because it's not my wheelhouse per se, but Um The Land Development Code is gonna set up what's gonna happen horizontally. The building code's gonna look at what's going on vertically. up and vertically down. So the building code is going to have all of those types of safeguards for the different types of uses that are Constructed in the county.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:43:20Okay, so we may have safeguards that a gas station storage tank can't be so near. Right. And

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:43:28there are industry standards.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:43:30There are industry standards. Okay, so that will be addressed.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:43:33Yes. Okay.

   OakleyChair

   2:43:34If they put a station there that'd be addressed.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:43:38That would be regulated by state law. It

   OakleyChair

   2:43:39wouldn't

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:43:40be your code.

   OakleyChair

   2:43:41Yeah, it wouldn't be us, it would be the state. All right.

   Moore

   2:43:48Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um just a quick question. This was mentioned a couple times that

   2:43:57Kitty King if if I'm not if I'm not correct the name of it had been denied um previously um Or a complaint amendment. Is is there any truth to that? Or actually got that from rest to command? Was there any truth to that? Why would that be if it was? The history on that.

   Denise

   2:44:20Sure, Denise Hernandez Planning and Development. So uh Kitty Campus University, it was the name of the um the proposed. uh daycare at that location. So that Um outfit applied for a special exception in 2011 and that was denied by the Planning Commission. And uh they also subsequently applied for the same special exception. uh less than six months later in 2011 in December and that was denied. So that part

   2:44:50is accurate.

   OakleyChair

   2:44:53But

   Denise

   2:44:53it's not a comprehensive plan amendment. It was a special exception. And um to And and I believe that that could be addressed at the Com plan or the rezoning, but the location, it's now a signalized intersection. A lot of things have changed there since then.

   OakleyChair

   2:45:09Okay. Mr. Moore.

   Moore

   2:45:10Okay. Thank you. Okay. I was I was just curious because I heard that and I that was the first I've heard of I saw that an email that came through I think a day or so ago. And then it was mentioned today as well. Um so that was a daycare. I you know, listen, I'll be honest with you. I've gone back and forth on this thing, I can't tell you how many times. Um I did have the opportunity to meet with the um applicants instead of meeting with me yesterday and I appreciate that. I appreciate Uh obviously um Miss Wilhite and Mr Jallow. He and I I

   2:45:40will say, you know, Mr. Jallow does um I've seen his products in the past and what he puts out there and he's he's a you know, he puts out a good product and he's a he's a he's a good businessman and and obviously wants to do with the community and I feel that, you know, generally do. But I do have concerns and I'll be honest with you. You know, I've I I've I've been flipping back and forth during this public hearing as I said it here. Um I'm really, really cons it was mentioned about this parcel being exterior and not internal to the community.

   2:46:11Which I can see. We know we're on fifty four frontage. But what keeps getting me is directly eat Is this home directly east? Obviously there's one south and one southeast to this parcel across the metaphor graph. This is what you got. Is that when I think about exterior, I don't think about this a commercial product being directly across from another home. And I'm just being honest

   2:46:42and just giving my opinion. If you give that house away to me and I wouldn't live with it if there's a d uh extent uh intensive use. I I wouldn't. I wouldn't buy it. if I was gonna buy a home. Yeah, I wouldn't buy it. You could I would actually just wouldn't live there. Um if you got kids and in the in the traffic coming in and out. So that's highly, highly concerning to me. Um Yeah, I understand it's on fifty four frontage. I tell you what, if those if those houses weren't across the

   2:47:12street, which makes me feel like it's more internal to the community since it is, or the southeast, I would have no problem. But right now Yeah, I'm I'm wavering against this right now. I mean I really I really am. I mean just be it's honestly it's because of those really those two homes, actually three homes, but really those two homes that really concerns me.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:47:33Thank you, Chairman Mariano.

   OakleyChair

   2:47:33Ms. Fitzpatrick.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:47:35On the southeast, both of those I've looked up. I know Commissioner Mariano, you mentioned they might be commercial, but when I looked it up on the tax appraisers website, um the sorry, property appraisers website, it does say it's AR one. So do we have clarification if that's AR one?

   2:47:55'Cause I see A R one to the east, to the west, and to the south. It's not until one, two, three lots down

   Denise

   2:48:04it's a P O one. Denise Hernandez, you have clarification that it's AR1. That particular piece of property applied for a special exception for home occupation. for a real estate broker and a notary and one of the conditions of approval is that it would expire upon transfer of the ownership and there was an ownership transfer in 2009 and then another one I believe in 2019.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:48:27Oh but would the if that owner were to come in for rezoning for commercial on a signalized intersection on state road fifty four with the Planning Commission and the Of of our county next time?

   2:48:45The the other corner.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:48:49Likely it would need a compliant amendment too. Yeah, it would have to do the same thing.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:48:53Now there's two parcels to the right. It's actually a little s sliver at the top and it doesn't look like there's a home on it, but there's a house right directly south of it. So if it was two plates in That would be very difficult to change it to commercial because they have that little sliver of platinum front of

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:49:14it as well. I I I think they would both come in for commercial, but I

   2:49:21Petition. Um and And I w I guess I would ask that applicant as well. That owner did not object. I can find no objection from that owner for this parcel becoming commercial. And my guess is because that is a What that's gonna be eventually. No one's gonna wanna live on the corner of a signalized intersection on and it seems to me that the that where the um I don't know what

   2:49:51you call is it a slough? What someone tell me what the correct word is for the ditch, canal, slough. Um channel. Um to me that seems like the barrier on that street from a land use change. uh you know, obviously anything below that to me would be very intrusive in the neighborhood, but that seems like a b uh a buffer. And I was I was pretty much gonna be maybe against this because of that home across the street and I

   2:50:21asked them to go meet go talk about buffering. I thought it was Fiddy's house. Um but, you know, absolutely could they not have their driveway you know, come out of your driveway and look at a dumpster or or s or, you know, something like that. But that is not the case here. That house is south of the Yeah. And I believe that you're gonna see that corner home Um Who did not object to this unless someone tells me they did, but I can't find it anywhere. Uh Become

   2:50:52commercial as well. Or change use anyway.

   Mariano

   2:50:55Do you have something to say? Uh a few things I guess. Um So Where is the other parcel across the street now doesn't have the commercial that does Change my theory as far as how the com commercial intrusion's already been there. Um but I will tell you the the The drainage was something I I talked about extensively as far as um When I talk talk with the applicant as well? And it's not just the drainage that's going to happen now, from what I can see. I mean, because if they could hold this stormwater

   2:51:25to a certain point, it's still going to be sitting low. The pictures that were just shown um

   2:51:33You know, all that rainwater that is down there, and I looked at the maps before and I saw there's rainwater around, but If you're not going to be able to

   2:51:41The gas station. and the rain's just coming down and now it's gonna go from the spillage, et cetera, it goes down along in the street, it's gonna get into the roadway, which is gonna get into the water, which is gonna get into the canal. Denix, maybe you remember this, but I remember we had a sta uh station that was gonna come in and neighborhood. It might have been North Point, it might have been somewhere else. Um not n North Point, but maybe North Wood. Do you remember where we put it had a gas station that wanted to come in? And because of the wellheads were around the area Maybe it was a s uh some type of

   2:52:11thing that we could not put the gas station in that place because of that, and that kept that gas station from coming in.

   Denise

   2:52:19Yeah, that that is accurate, but that was actually within the wellhead protection area and this specific parcel is not.

   OakleyChair

   2:52:25Right. So

   Denise

   2:52:26it was a within the designated, I believe that one was within uh the WPA area five uh the five-year wellhead. So what was it? And it was denied and then they actually came to the board um on appeal and the board denied it as well.

   Mariano

   2:52:40Uh so tell me what what was the theory of the Wellhead Protection Area? What were they trying to do in

   Denise

   2:52:45I would defer to Mr. Karbala on that.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:52:49Do we have a distance? You weren't here when we did that. I was like the committee when we did

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:52:53it. It's public supply well. It's generally the Wellhead Protection Ordinance applies to public supply wells, I believe, not individual. Home wells. Residential wells. I think that's the difference.

   Mariano

   2:53:05Okay, but but I just want to hear the what was the thought process around that? And and because If we're gonna be looking to protecting it the health safety of our people. if we have a well protection as public supply, it really shouldn't matter if it's a private supply or public supply if the same thing is gonna happen. So I want to get the f theory of w what that is.

   Mike Carballa

   2:53:32Mike Carball of Public Infrastructure. So when it when you formulate a wellhead protection zone, you you are looking to prevent pollution, as as Mr. Steinsteiner said, to public supply wells. And so usually it's a it's a distance that's offset. uh you know from from those wells. Now I don't know if we've got public supply wells in that area. I'd have to research that but that I mean that's the theory. The theory is is distance to protect the the aquifer on the ground uh you know for when we withdraw water.

   Mariano

   2:54:03So it's the withdrawing of the water. Does it affect Um With these private wells that are there all over the place. Um does it does it affect as far as

   2:54:16The same way. Well well let's say like a gas station pollution getting into the water system, getting into the groundwater. those wells that are out there, are they still Are they vulnerable?

   OakleyChair

   2:54:28It

   2:54:28depends on where the

   Mike Carballa

   2:54:29there's there's a lot of factors. The depth of the well uh and the construction of the well. Typically public supply wells are deeper and deeper aquifers. Uh wells for homes are typically shallower. Uh so you know, i i th there's a lot of variables uh in including migration of contaminants and how those how those things would work. Public supply wells typically suck more water out of the ground. Therefore the the movement is is greater versus uh versus a home well that might be you know, a few gallons a minute. Well like you say it's it's

   2:54:59also deeper

   Mariano

   2:55:00as well. So as far as a private well should be b could be more sensitive. Or it wouldn't have to travel as far down into the ground to get to the Bottom of the well. On a public supply.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:55:14There wouldn't be as much migration Because it's not sucking as much. Right. But if you have but if you have it Your drawdown. Your drawdown is a little bit more. Your drawdown is is smaller.

   2:55:28There may be a direct connection.

   2:55:33It's hard it without doing that analysis it's really hard to hard to tell.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:55:38I heard in the past week that if you have farm animals on a sewer or well, if the well is only fifty feet Deep, then it's maybe more susceptible to being affected.

   Mike Carballa

   2:55:52So if if it's helpful, if it's helpful. So a lot of homes with wells have septic systems. Typically the septic system is is separated from from the well by a certain distance. I don't know what the codes are, but typically they're on the same property for what for what it's worth.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:56:10Commissioner Oakley, this is Barbara Wilhite. I'd also add that this is a F D E P regulated activity you're talking about. It's a regulated use. We have to get a permit from Swift Mun regarding the drainage, but we also for for that use we'd have to get D E P permitting. So we'd It is a highly regulated use.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:56:29Which doesn't happen at the comp plan stage, it happens at the next stage.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:56:36It happens actually at the third stage, which would be construction plans and permitting. Okay.

   OakleyChair

   2:56:41All right. That's um We're in discussion with the board only. So Barbara you kinda can't be a part of this uh discussion now. Is

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:56:52there anything

   OakleyChair

   2:56:52else

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:56:52from

   OakleyChair

   2:56:52the board?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:56:53Yeah, I d I just wanted to bring up that the reason I brought up the McDonald's again and just to say this in general and I'm I think we're not going to be able to do Our uh our Attorney kind of told us this la at the last meeting, and it's difficult because we sit up here and we have to make decisions that um Sometimes neighborhoods or folks are against but In reality the um the outcome is not nearly

   2:57:24uh as bad as what they were thinking and we and there's we need to take I think our professionals opinions um into our our thought making and our decision making And um the reason I brought up the McDonalds was we had the same kind of incidents of

   2:57:42a hundred people coming to the board meeting or more, very concerned that When that McDonald's and I don't know if we can put that picture back up, but it was in Todd Pressman's presentation. When the McDonald's was proposed to come in right in front of that um mobile home park with hundreds I think that's a good thing. Probably more there than are in um

   2:58:09The residents were extremely concerned that there would be lots of accidents, they wouldn't have access to their home and that the traffic generated from a McDonald's, which is a lot of traffic, and you've got all the other fast foods in there. was gonna be very detrimental to their quality of life. And If you drive by there, you you must notice that there is no backing up. There's no I've never seen an accident there. Uh on the contrary, I see residents coming in their golf carts to the McDonald's

   2:58:40without having and all the other stores there without having to get on 54. Um So I I know it's s it it may scare you that there's gonna be lots of crime and lots of traffic in your neighborhood. Uh I've I've been in this kinda seat for many years and I feel pretty confident that people aren't gonna get gas and then start driving through the neighborhood. and robbing people and doing things like that. Um As far as the entrance,

   2:59:10this is not the only entrance into the community. There's another one on Sierra Pines Boulevard. Um it comes out onto Lutz Lake Fern, so God forbid there were an accident there. Um there is another exit out. Um Um And um yeah that that road flooded in in our big rain event. Um I don't think it's been like that since that year. I think that might have been twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. I don't remember the year that picture was taken. Uh but I do hope

   2:59:40that we um can fix that entrance and uh right where it goes over the crit creek or ditch or something that maybe one day of swift mud um If if they think it's G a good idea we raise just do a little hump over that. Um But I will tell you that the when True and the others came in, at first we had a little hiccup. Um but there was a a berm that was too high. We went in there and fixed it. That the flooding in that neighborhood has been much better.

   3:00:11That ditch has been cleaned. Um and uh we cleaned out under the Sun Coast. There were frankly trees growing in the Um The big um

   3:00:26going under the highway. There were literally so much muck and stuff in there that trees were going in there hadn't ever been cleaned out. So we've we've done a lot of work in that area to c to clean it out. Sierra Pines and Meadowbrook are are built in a very low area. So uh I don't think we should be too concerned about that. Um so with that I would recommend approval and a lot of these things and a lot of these questions will be answered F in further detail in the zoning hearing. This is

   3:00:56a comp plan hearing, not a zoning hearing.

   Fitzpatrick

   3:01:04Um

   OakleyChair

   3:01:09Mm.

   OakleyChair

   3:01:13Okay. That motion dies for uh lack of a second. Pleasure of the board.

   Mariano

   3:01:25Uh I'm on the fence of this one. I know it's a good thing. Commissioner Starkey, I think you brought up some really good points. Yeah. And and I know you've worked diligently on the drainage down there. So not knowing that when I first went down to that area, that was the first concern I had is What's the flooding like here now? And you know I think all of us in our own districts have really worked hard in our districts and kind of respected everyone to kind of get this stuff done and you've done a good job with it. So your your your latest comments again cause me To think it through. Um Drainage is

   3:01:55a big concern. I wanna I wanna know what could we do to put dr extra drainage on this property at this point in time.

   3:02:05Hold on, hold on. If the uh applicant was willing to agree to do something like that.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   3:02:10This is a comprehensive plan

   Mariano

   3:02:11amendment. It's not appropriate. Okay. Again, I I just I want to say they're flexible in and I didn't know if it was appropriate at this time either, but Um, some

   StarkeyVice Chair

   3:02:21other since you asked about the draining l drainage, let me tell you that there are some um homegrown issues in that neighborhood. A lot There are a quite a number of Um The pipes that go under the driveways, a lot of them are sealed up. In the ditches, and the conveyance of water out of some of the areas of the neighborhood has been impeded by some of the things that. uh have happened over the years and the county um has George Thomas

   3:02:51uh has and we we have a Sierra Pines Coalition, we meet to work through each layer and they have plants to go in and Um work on clearing those driveway um driveway culverts and and so you'll see continue to see more and more improvement. Um so but I don't think that should a affect whether

   3:03:18a property on fifty four and Meadowbrook should be commercial or not. Um But those are important issues to solve for the neighborhood. But that but this, you know, this is separate and I think I think that you saw what that intersection looks like. No nobody's gonna live there.

   Fitzpatrick

   3:03:39Is there a separate entrance or exit that leads back into Pasco or is the exit only go into another county?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   3:03:48It goes to Lutz Lake Fern Road, which is right near the border. But the the issue is if there was an emergency or an accident and people couldn't get out of the neighborhood, they can't they can't. So that's there is another if you look on a map you'll see it. It's called Lutz Lake Fern Road. I mean uh Sierra Pines Boulevard.

   Fitzpatrick

   3:04:05And I for some reason I thought the gentleman that lived across the street was here last time. In the crown.

   3:04:13I'm still On the fence with both of the plots being changed to commercial? Because the second one in is directly across the street. From that plot.

   3:04:27And so the first plot that's directly to the east, that home.

   Mariano

   3:04:34Okay. Mr. Mariano. Mm. Mr. County Attorney. So as far as if we wanted to even talk about, even though it's been brought up, and I know it's probably not the appropriate time either, but as far as lighting, buffering, that's all something at the next stage down the road anyway.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   3:04:47That's that's rezoning. And they have applied for Euclidean, so it's probably not even appropriate at Okay.

   3:04:58I mean th they've agreed to put things in deed restrictions, but uh but traditionally Euclidean you it Is C two appropriate for the site? That's that's the only decision the board has.

   Mariano

   3:05:11All right. So as Commissioner Starkey states and The end piece up on fifty-four is not gonna be AR. What's gonna change? It's gonna go commercial. How much of the next parcel it's gonna need to do something viable? It's gonna take something. Um the parcel here on fifty four should be c commercial as uh a c a commercial product as well. Um

   3:05:38Mr Chairman

   OakleyChair

   3:05:38Mariano. Mr. Moore.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   3:05:40Well Mr. I'm I'm just I'm trying to figure out

   Moore

   3:05:43what's going on. Yeah, I'm just I'm trying to figure out what's going on now. I thought the motion died because there was no second.

   OakleyChair

   3:05:48That's correct.

   Moore

   3:05:50So We're back to the right-of-way. So

   StarkeyVice Chair

   3:05:52we're we're we're kind of We're

   OakleyChair

   3:05:54back

   StarkeyVice Chair

   3:05:54in discussion. We're back in discussion. We're

   OakleyChair

   3:05:56back discussing it.

   Fitzpatrick

   3:05:57So there's two plates to the right on the east side. The first plat that's closest to northern, that's closest to fifty four is only point three four acres. And it's not the same owner as a person two plats in. So they would have to sell both of those lots to have commercial use on the front.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   3:06:16I think that one plaid is un unusable in its size.

   Fitzpatrick

   3:06:20Well it's point three four. Yeah.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   3:06:22Yeah. So it it's gonna get combined with the one to the south.

   OakleyChair

   3:06:28All right. There's the board. We can stay here till tomorrow if you want to, but I'd rather not.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   3:06:32Okay, but so so the motion is for it to become commercial and let the zoning of this um determine The youth. I'll second the motion. Come again.

   Mariano

   3:06:51What was the motion? To approve to go to commercial

   StarkeyVice Chair

   3:06:54staff's recommendation. Okay. And let all these issues be hashed out in the zoning. Okay.

   OakleyChair

   3:07:02I have a motion to approve and a second by Mr. Mariano. Um By roll call vote.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   3:07:13District two, Commissioner Moore.

   Moore

   3:07:15Not with this motion.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   3:07:17District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Fitzpatrick. Nay. District five, Commissioner Mariano.

   OakleyChair

   3:07:24Aye.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   3:07:25District One, Chairman Oakley.

   OakleyChair

   3:07:27Right.

   3:07:32I said nay. So if motion fails by three, two.

   3:07:41Okay.