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1. 1Oct 26, 2021
   Board of County CommissionersR59Regular businessNo disposition in the minutes

   An Ordinance Amending The Presentation - Planning and Development - Pasco County Comprehensive Plan; Providing For A Large-Scale 2050 Comprehensive Plan Amendment To The Future Land Use Map (Map 2-15 And Sheet 05) From RES-1 (Residential-1 Du/Ga) To PD (Planned Development) On Approximately 178.13 Acres Of Real Property Located At The South Side Of County Line Road; And A Text Amendment Creating Subarea Policy Flu 7.1.65 Update - Northridge; And A Map Amendment To The Future Land Use Map 2-9 Adding Subarea Map 2-9(65) Northridge; And Providing For Additional Text Amendments As Necessary For Internal Consistency; Providing For A Repealer, Severability, And An Effective Date. No Funding Required

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   OakleyChair

   1:40:59Okay. Appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. We move on to R fifty nine. Mr. Pitos?

   Nectarios Pittos

   1:41:09Good morning, Mr. Chairman. Niktarios Pitos with the Planning and Development Department. I'm happy to be here today before the Board of County Commissioners to give you all an update on the work we've been doing with the comprehensive plan itself.

   1:41:25So before I get into uh some this update uh for the folks at home, just to give them a heads up on what the comprehensive plan is, it's the long range plan to manage growth, improve quality of life, and ensure long term sustainability for the county. Both economically, fiscally, et cetera, et cetera. And it's a state mandated plan. Um Florida State statutes uh requires in Chapter 163 that we have a comprehensive plan that considers all of the elements that you see on the overhead, future land use,

   1:41:55transportation, housing and conservation, coastal management, recreation and open space, public facilities, capital improvements, intergovernmental coordination, and economic development. And these are what's required.

   1:42:09And so you get the idea that the comprehensive plan, being comprehensive, encompasses quite a bit of information that will help r uh guide the future growth of the county.

   1:42:21So we've been working on the comprehensive plan update uh this past year for a number of reasons. The current comprehensive plan became effective in nineteen ninety one. And it was last updated in 2006 with an established horizon year of 2025. And in December of uh 2019, we entered into an agreement with HDR Engineering, who are our consultants, to help us do this project. On December eighth of twenty twenty, the Board of County Commissioners

   1:42:51approved the first task order to proceed with the comprehensive plan update that established it for as a five-year project. And so today actually uh task order for year two was on the agenda, on the consent agenda, and that was that was approved. So why are we doing an update of the comprehensive plan? Um, we want to understand the current conditions and address the changing needs and reassess the vision um that the current comprehensive plan has. It's been 16 years

   1:43:21since the last update, 31 years since the establishment of the plan, and a lot has changed since 1991 and 2006, and a lot is changing right now. And because the nineteen ninety-one plan took us to twenty twenty-five, we're looking at the next plan to take us to twenty fifty. Hence the new name of the U.S. future comprehensive plan being the Pasco twenty fifty plan. And you can see the logo of that up in the in the corner of the slide and we'll have more on that in in just a second. So

   1:43:52the purpose of the Pasco 2050 plan is to guide future growth in Pasco County, which is a similar purpose to the current 1991 plan. Um to do that we've done a number of uh projects this year, um particularly one known as the Outreach and Engagement Plan, which was provided in your packet, and that one was to support the creation of the new strategic and thoughtful plan that we're that we're going to be proposing in a few years. That'll be inclusive of our county's collective vision. Public involvement is

   1:44:23critical at every stage of the planning process, which is why we put together the outreach and engagement plan. And so we want to be able to solicit the feedback, involvement, and the public input that'll serve as the foundation for the content that's going to be created for the Pasco 2050 plan. The outreach and engagement plan is a first of its kind for this sort of effort here in Pasco County and this will be something we carry on carry out throughout the entire comprehensive plan updating

   1:44:53process over the coming years. And so um we're going to work to ensure tomorrow's Pasco represents the community's or the public's vision. Um and we're committed to working with our community members to plan for our future as we work to become Florida's premier county. So we're bringing a lot of what the strategic plan is calling for. to make Pasco, Florida's premier county, we want to bring that into the update of the comprehensive plan as well. And so we're going to be re-revisioning the county's long-term plan, and we're going

   1:45:23to be looking at uh a number of data, asking lots of questions, uh, and studying the county, where we've been and where we're going.

   1:45:36That is going to require a particular multi-year process that I've outlined on the overhead above. And it starts with year one, which we just completed, and we're going to present uh some of those updates to you today. Year one was all about diagnostics. Planning for the plan itself, understanding the opportunities that are ahead of us here. And we'll uh present in just a few minutes the outreach and engagement plan itself. We completed a diagnostic report for the comprehensive plan.

   1:46:06We've done market anal analysis. as well as establish a best practices report and we'll go into all of those uh just a minute. In years two and three, which begins today after the board approved the t the task order for year two, we're gonna be doing visioning and framing for the comprehensive plan. So this is where we're gonna develop the visions and values for the different areas of focus and actually plan the framework. of the comp of the Pasco 2050 plan. So year two, the

   1:46:37task order that was approved this morning includes deliverables that we can present um in the future. W uh regarding issues and I in issues and ideas report. a planning and growth challenges report, as well as your preliminary plan framework, map and report. And see so these will be foundational documents taking us into Year Three. And years three and four will be actually doing the plan drafting itself. So we're still not at that phase where we're going to be um

   1:47:07creating new goals, objectives, and policies in the comprehensive plan. We're still learning and and updating and getting the information so that we can make those updates. Years three and four will have the future land use map updated. Uh we will draft plan elements and themes. Uh a couple of ideas we've been bouncing around include Um either keeping to the way the current comprehensive plan is organized in terms of elements, like those I showed previous on the previous slide. or grouping those elements together thematically so that there's a comprehensive

   1:47:37picture on each uh um Portion of the uh it's each topic of the comprehensive plan. And then in year five, uh which we anticipate to be uh about twenty twenty-five-2026, uh, will be the plan finalization where we will be looking at the plan, seeing what we've come up with, is it feasible, asking those types of questions, refining the plan. And then bringing it forward in 2025-2026 for final review and adoption. And so I'll stop here

   1:48:07and hand the mic over to Valerie Brookens, who's a planner too at the Planning and Development Department. She's been working on this project. and helping us uh move it forward and she'll give you an overview of the year one activities. Mr. Chairman Mariano. Yeah.

   Moore

   1:48:24I remember when we first brought this up. Was it fourteen or fifteen?

   1:48:33Yeah, you weren't here. I don't know if you commissioners remember.

   1:48:38And I thought initially we were gonna get that thing rolling within about two. So we could be done by twenty three or so. Now we're gonna roll into

   1:48:50Twenty what's the right-of-way.

   Nectarios Pittos

   1:48:51Twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six.

   Moore

   1:48:58A lot of changes we requested. This is before your time. A lot of things we requested. So now we're gonna wait until twenty twenty five for a lot of these things. Not putting the heat on you because I don't even know if you were here. I wasn't. There you go. Uh so it's unfortunate That a lot of things that I know at that time there was three of us here. um asked for to get done and now we're gonna wait until twenty twenty five.

   1:49:29The big project? I mean if you see the Land Development Code. It's a good one. We're pretty thick. Books. But this is a long time to

   Nectarios Pittos

   1:49:42wait. It is, but I think it's important to be able to go through the public outreach and development process w With the community. Oh I don't disagree, but

   OakleyChair

   1:49:55it just takes a long time.

   Moore

   1:49:56We're going on you know four four four years or so. from when it was first brought up and first asked to initiate changes.

   1:50:07So in that in reality, you know, you're looking at about nine years time frame from when it was when we first uh put this up.

   OakleyChair

   1:50:13So to your point, and it takes a long time, like you say.

   Moore

   1:50:16Mm-hmm.

   OakleyChair

   1:50:17I started working on just getting a road paved. When I first got elected in sixteen. It's paved now.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:50:29Let me talk to to you about a bathroom in Starkey Wilderness Park. Um but um I I we brought this up before and if you if you remember I I think I said it here at the meeting. I wondered if there were ways to speed up the process by hiring more people High. Do we have an outside from helping us? Um What what is there a way to put more resources toward towards this so that it can be sped up? Because I can tell you. Um as

   1:50:59you're seeing I'm I'm putting some stuff in at develop at a p when we have approvals here for I think it's David Goldstein has to help me here, but there's certain kind of um approvals that we give where I'm putting in you gotta have a tree in front of your house and now I'm gonna talk to you all about having architectural elements on your buildings and having to do it Um from here because it's not in the LDC.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:51:25Right. Yes, but that's land development code. That's not what Terry's presenting to you today, which is comprehensive plan. Well Yeah, but it is our You've got you've got a workload on both halves. Land, but this is the comprehensive plan which is a much broader tool. Yeah, I know this is huge.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:51:43And we definitely need, I mean, n most people don't amend their comprehensive plan every board meeting like we do. uh that that I'm aware of. It's it's a couple of times a year or once a year. It's a very special event. Um I was on the ear I was part of the ear when we redid that part of the comprehensive plan. environmental what was that what's the ear?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:52:03Evaluation and appraisal report. Yeah, evaluation and appraisal

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:52:06report. Yeah, I I don't uh that took forever. We had so many community meetings and that was just one little piece, I think. Uh do you have any is there any way we can speed it up?

   Moore

   1:52:23I

   1:52:23mean

   1:52:23we all said that. Because they

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:52:25both need to be

   Moore

   1:52:25fixed. Yeah, all that works up. We're gathered around the table. Remember that? I think it was up in Well it was in Dade City or something, I think, when we had that discussion. I not Dade City. Yeah Dade Cityo. Saint Leo, thank you. Yeah.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:52:37But every one of the steps that he's saying here is very important.

   Moore

   1:52:40Of course.

   County Administrator

   1:52:40Yes.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:52:41And we want you to go through all of

   1:52:42them.

   1:52:42We're just is there any way to speed it up?

   1:52:46Right.

   County Administrator

   1:52:47Yeah. He was looking at me for money.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:52:49Well

   County Administrator

   1:52:50we did take today we we approved a task order. We approved the task order

   Moore

   1:52:54this

   County Administrator

   1:52:54morning on consent. Right. To add another year. We have fun you funded it last year for phase one, this year or year two. And then you know, it'll be in the budget for the next two or three years until we get this done. But it it's not a short term process.

   Moore

   1:53:08Right. So Commissioner Starkey's point, sorry I'm jumping in again, is uh if I'm not correct, that task order was for two fifty two two twenty eight. Two twenty-eight this morning? Okay. So how many how many um consultants do we get for two twenty-eight? So we Because I'm sure they're not only working on our project.

   Nectarios Pittos

   1:53:25Yeah. So we have HDR engineering on tap for this project. They have uh at least three or four other con subconsultants under them helping them with the project. HDR is a very large, uh reputable firm that has done a lot of Florida comprehensive plan. Um By way of comparison, the long range transportation plan that's conducted every five years by the MPO is typically about a million to a million two hundred thousand dollars. And we've estimated that updating the

   1:53:56Pasco County comprehensive plan itself is going to be something on that magnitude, on that order of magnitude. a million to a million two hundred thousand. Now we've also gotten a

   1:54:10From the Florida Department of Economic Opportunity. Uh to do resiliency planning. And so there's a lot of money coming in from the state to help us upgrade our resiliency plan. Which is going to feed right into the uh comprehensive plan. We also got another eighty thousand dollars. from the state as well to do parallel flood mapping and planning. Um that will also be built into the comprehensive plan. We're doing the housing market study on on the other, the multifamily issue,

   1:54:41but we're gonna be leveraging those resources that we're spending in that direction to inform the comprehensive plan as it relates to the the housing uh situation here in the county. Um so we're we're looking at multiple areas wherever we're doing work and seeing where we can leverage that information and bring it into the comprehensive plan.

   Moore

   1:54:58But some of those things are gonna by the time we get done in five years and we we do portions of this and map four in year four and five It's gonna change again.

   OakleyChair

   1:55:07The

   Moore

   1:55:08housing market's gonna be different

   OakleyChair

   1:55:10in four or

   Moore

   1:55:10five years years from now.

   OakleyChair

   1:55:17We all agree it takes a long time.

   Mariano

   1:55:19But should should it take that much time? Is there a way to speed it up? I mean with with the research we have done between ULI looking at all the market areas, all the market things we had. I mean me I remember meeting down at Homewood Suites talking about the West Market area. Here's what we want, here's what we want to see get done. Take that information and go speed this process up. As far as like doing all these meetings, we've had these meetings. Go take the information from those meetings and start structuring stuff. One of the things I brought up many, many times is the way we're uh dealing with the growth on our coast. I mean I've got a guy who wants to put

   1:55:49a seawall up three feet. And I get engineers saying, no, you can only go a foot and a half. And logically, no simple reason for that. FEMA would want you to go higher. So Let's go look at what we've got out there. We right now have a coastal high h high hazard area done in our comprehensive plan. That hasn't been updated. to match the definition that the state's got. We're imp we're putting more restrictions on ourselves instead of working what's already with the State. We shouldn't be more restrictive than what the State is. And

   1:56:19it should be simple. As a matter of fact, I'll share that with you later on when we get done. to go push it forward. Um so I I think we should really take What information do you have that you can look at that's we've already done these outreach meetings up and down the coast? Let's go use that data to bring something forward rather than going through this longer step. And then when we get to the end of it, we can go through the public hearing process to get more information from it. But th we're gonna study in five more years. Now that information's gonna be antiquated? We

   1:56:49can't use that now. We've got to get new stuff again. We get enough stuff on the shelf. I think to work at right now with what we've got.

   OakleyChair

   1:56:58We've got to continue this meeting so we can finish by noon.

   Moore

   1:57:01Well I I know I do too. But we also did say and I uh I mentioned at that time is that no consultants, let's hire enough FTEs so they're here full time to do the job. But we didn't do that either. That were dedicated to these projects, L Development Code and Comprehensive Plan.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:57:16Where are we on this five-year?

   Nectarios Pittos

   1:57:19Well we're beginning year two today. So we're in In the visioning and framing um portion of the of the sequence that's on the overhead.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:57:31So is it possible to do visioning in uh six months instead of a year?

   1:57:38Mm.

   Nectarios Pittos

   1:57:39So that's the right-of-way. The year two i is going to include uh visioning and we anticipate the issues and ideas report to come out sooner than next September, the end of the fiscal year. Um Valerie could probably speak to some of the task scheduling associated with the task order two that was uh approved today. Um But are we anticipate that these products are gonna be coming out throughout the year and we'll be able to provide updates as they're being established.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:58:11What um so when when do you meet with us to Will you be meeting with us at the beginning individually? For our own. Yeah, w

   Nectarios Pittos

   1:58:20that's part of the the project management aspect of the project to sit down and you know, once we've got these reports available, we'll be reaching out to the commissioners and providing updates along the way.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:58:31You know, if we can cut each year in half. That could be a good thing. There's a prize at the end.

   1:58:41I've got an

   OakleyChair

   1:58:41idea of how we can go quicker than that if you just turn it over to me and I'll make the decision.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:58:48So

   Mariano

   1:58:49moved.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:58:49Y'all need to go to some

   OakleyChair

   1:58:50ULI meetings first.

   1:58:55But uh but it's all a process and I understand, I think we all do. It just takes time and and we need to hear from the public as we're moving forward.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:59:02And and you know guys, um because when you change the comprehensive plan, you change people's land use underneath it. And There has to be a dialogue, right? That's why there needs to be the public But you gotta

   OakleyChair

   1:59:15know both sides.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:59:16Yeah. So you know,

   Moore

   1:59:18Yeah. Yeah. And there's a lot of errors and emissions.

   OakleyChair

   1:59:20Yeah.

   Moore

   1:59:21In the if you d if you did not notice those.

   OakleyChair

   1:59:23There's things that this board done in the right-of-way.

   Moore

   1:59:25No

   OakleyChair

   1:59:25airs

   Moore

   1:59:26emissions in the

   OakleyChair

   1:59:29Ten or twelve years ago and in some areas that that they didn't think it would look like it does today and some of those things gonna have to change, so It looks different after you go through a ten year period. So what you're planning for the future. So Mr. Chairman

   Moore

   1:59:44Mariano We have a twelve o'clock meeting, we have to go with other constitutionals, but again, there needs to be corrections and then at I know Andy sent you those guys cause those corrections. I mean they had a They had the population of of a county, I think it like Five hundred and thirty? Oh was it right? Let me let me see the number. I mean it wasn't even correct. Five twenty eight. So it sounds like a In their in their in the backup item it says the county's twenty

   2:00:14twenty estimated population was five hundred and twenty eight thousand. Well It's not even it's not it's not even right. It's not even close to being right. Now we're using a census of five fifty three, which we don't I don't even think that's correct.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:00:26I think you gotta add another hundred to that.

   Moore

   2:00:30So we've already started off With this comprehensive plan of Lily having heirs. Mr. Chairman Mariano.

   County Administrator

   2:00:37Commissioner Yeah. Mr. Chairman Mariano. We table this for now, we'll go back and we'll come back and brief each individually with where we are, where we're going, what the plan is, get feedback from you directly, and then bring you back something at a later date to kind of wrap up all those discussions.

   Mariano

   2:00:53Mr. Chairman, one quick comment?

   Moore

   2:00:56No, it is fixed. But I've I've got a list of things that aren't right. Right.

   Mariano

   2:00:59Yeah. Mr. Chairman Mariano. And just one Mr. Chairman Mariano. Something that Terry and I talked about yesterday. When you look at the map on page forty-four of the uh regional congestion, The intersection of fifty two and forty one. Now, if you go to the east in the morning, it's backed up from Sun Coast Parkway all the way to forty one. Yes. If you come from the east coming over, especially in the afternoon, I don't know about the morning, it's jam packed for three or four sets of lights.

   OakleyChair

   2:01:25Morning is not as bad.

   Mariano

   2:01:27Right. In and then and on this map though, it's not even listed as a congested area. So if that is not in is not good, which

   County Administrator

   2:01:35one

   Mariano

   2:01:35we got an issue.

   County Administrator

   2:01:36Which one's that?

   Mariano

   2:01:44But but on the map it says no problem.

   County Administrator

   2:01:46Because Because it's the assumption was the the contracts that are underway right now that have been executed are going to fix that because they bring four lanes on forty one to fifty two and six lanes on fifty two to forty one. And so that will resolve that interchange. And then we have the one gap left to fix. So that's probably why that's not there.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:02:07Okay.

   OakleyChair

   2:02:08That's why it's not because then it's planned in the very near future to be complete. So that'll straighten all that up.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:02:17That's gonna help all those intersections.

   OakleyChair

   2:02:23We can continue this

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:02:23afternoon if you want.

   County Administrator

   2:02:25Commissioner, I would just say let's take this back. And we'll come back and brief each one of you individually. Gather the information from you, the feedback from you. Revise that and move forward with year two, which that may include some schedule adjustments to accelerate.

   2:02:40Right. Okay.

   2:02:41We don't need to come back this afternoon. Excellent.

2. 2Apr 5, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP55Public hearingApproved

   An Ordinance Amending The Pasco County Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan; Providing For A Plan Amendment (Consent) - CPAL21(23) Northridge - Transmittal of Proposed Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment … 2-15 And Sheet 05) Changing From RES-1 (Residential-1 Du/Ga) … Of County Line Road; And A a Text Amendment Creating Subarea Policy Flu 7.1.65 - – Northridge; And A and a Map Amendment To The … Adding Subarea Map 2-9(65) Northridge; And Providing For Additional Text Amendments As Necessary For Internal Consistency; Providing For A Repealer, Severability, And An Effective Date. Northridge.

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   Approved the Public Hearing Consent Agenda which included item P55.

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   Preston Baker

   2:17:15Hold on. Yes.

   StarkeyChair

   2:17:16Thank you. Item P55 was published in the Tampa Times on February 16, 2022.

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:17:24Item P 55 is a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment. C Pell 2123 Northridge transmit is the transmittal of the proposed large-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map of Map 2-15 and Sheet O five, changing from Res One, residential one-dwelling unit per gross acre, to PD plan development on approximately 178.13 acres of property at the south side of County Line Road X amendment creates sub-area policy through 7165

   2:17:557.1.65 uh titled Northridge and it is a map amendment to the future land use map two dash nine adding sub area map two dash nine sixty five Northridge. And this comes to the Board of County Commissioners with a recommendation of approval.

   StarkeyChair

   2:18:13Okay.

   2:18:16Any questions?

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:18:17Consider.

   StarkeyChair

   2:18:19All right. Does anyone wish to speak to this item? No one is

   StarkeyChair

   2:18:24I have no one signed up for this item and no one on WebEx but

   StarkeyChair

   2:18:26that's Okay. We will keep it on the consent. That's your

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:18:29only consent. And that's our only consent. Second consent agenda. Second.

   StarkeyChair

   2:18:34All in favor? Aye. Opposed? All right. We are done with the consent. P fifty seven.

   Neil Corella

   2:18:42Fifty six.

   StarkeyChair

   2:18:43Fifty

   Neil Corella

   2:18:44six. Sorry.

   StarkeyChair

   2:18:46So item uh P fifty six, um my office was not provided proof of publication, but my understanding is it's being continued.

   Andrew Baxter

   2:18:54That is correct. Uh Andrew Baxter, Facilities Management Director. Item P fifty six will be continued to a future meeting due to a publication error.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:19:04Okay, do it. So Andrew, you're readvertising this. You're st you're basically you're start starting over for another for another agenda. So then we don't

   StarkeyChair

   2:19:11need a motion?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:19:12There's no action to be taken.

   StarkeyChair

   2:19:14So then we are On to

   StarkeyChair

   2:19:17P fifty seven. Item P fifty seven was published in the Tampa Bay Times on March 2nd, 2022.

3. 3Jun 7, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP81Public hearingContinued

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   Approved to continue the item to the July 12, 2022 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City.

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   StarkeyChair

   19:06Okay, thank you. Um P eighty one.

   Denise

   19:09All right, so P eighty one is um it was actually scheduled today for ad for adoption uh by roll call vote, but we've received a request for continuance. Um I I'm sorry, the I guess you need the is Barbara online? We do have

   StarkeyChair

   19:23proof of publication of uh in February sixteenth uh edition of the Tampa Bay Times for this manner at this time.

   Denise

   19:33So PAD1 is PDD 220029. It was scheduled for adoption. This is for North Ridge for a comp plan amendment changing the future land use from Res 1 to PD. The applicant has requested a continuance to the July 12th, 2022 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 130 in Dade City. Move to continue time certainly. I think you may need to call. Public comment.

4. 4Jul 12, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP92Public hearingAdopted

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   Approved to adopt by a roll call vote.

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   StarkeyChair

   12:29Item P ninety two was published in the Tampay Times on February sixteenth, twenty twenty two.

   Denise

   12:33P ninety two is P D D twenty two zero zero two nine. Uh this item is the adoption for this uh comprehensive plan amendment. We're asking that you accept uh public comment and adopt by roll call vote. This was presented to the local planning agency on March third of twenty twenty two and um it was transmitted by the board on April fifth, twenty twenty two. Sorry for the feedback, not sure what's happening. It's an ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan, providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use

   13:04map, map 2-15 and Sheet O five from Res One, residential one dwelling unit for gross acre to PD Plan Development and approximately 178.13 acres of real property located at the south side of County Line Road. And and the text amendment creating sub-area policy flu 7.1.65 North Ridge and a map amendment to the future land use map two-9, adding sub-area map two-nine sixty-five North Ridge, and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency, providing for repealer separability, and an effective date.

   13:34If you would please accept public comment and adopt the item by roll call vote.

   StarkeyChair

   13:40All right. Uh

   MarianoVice Chair

   13:41Commissioner Mariano. Thank you. I

   13:43got

   13:43a couple of questions. Um in the agenda item it it talks about how the county line uh the sewer agreement we had with Hernando County has now been extinguished. Uh I know Mr. Carbella's gonna be working with uh Hernando County to try to bring something back to us maybe better and stronger than it was before. Uh I'm just make I want to make sure that we're not bound by anything here that they can get back to us to say that this is a bad development to be because of that being done. Because the development just can't take place until that

   14:13sewer lines are in. Is that correct?

   Denise

   14:16That's correct and you will see that in the MP the M P request that happens in P one hundred. So there's um there's things that will

   MarianoVice Chair

   14:26keep that from happen.

   Denise

   14:27Things that will have to happen before.

   MarianoVice Chair

   14:29Okay. Uh on an on another note and I'm trying to get my computer so I'm pulling it up, but when I as I was reading it Uh it said that uh if they built the rear entry uh product that they'd be uh able to use moderum discounts. And I will tell you for the area it's gonna need a lot of transportation improvements. Um and I want to make sure that we take that clause out. Um I did talk to the applicant about this. Um

   Denise

   14:59I think my colleague is telling me that they that might not be in the comp plan part of it. Is that accurate? That's in the MPUV? No complaint. I think we need to discuss that in P100.

   MarianoVice Chair

   15:09That would be your in your MPV. P100.

   15:14So if I'm looking at ninety-two, it's also got listed as retail commercial office at forty thousand square feet. I think that number's supposed to be four hundred thousand square feet. That shows on the map is like for ten acres, which would be more appropriate. More um accurate.

   Denise

   15:33So my my colleague who did the comprehensive plan amendment is shaking his head in the negative. It should be forty thousand square feet.

   MarianoVice Chair

   15:40No, we need a discussion about that. 'Cause it does show ten acres of land which closer to the forty thousand number I mean four hundred thousand number. I don't know how that would get missed.

   Denise

   15:54So I believe you have the applicant here as well that can address that. I but um again my colleague who wrote the comprehensive plan amended the sub-area policy is telling me that the intent is for forty thousand square feet of commercial. But no when we go to the MP. What's going on with the

   StarkeyChair

   16:10SAM?

   Denise

   16:12Sorry, I'll I'll walk away. My voice majorly carry so you don't really even need me on that microphone.

   Moore

   16:16It's dope doing it.

   Denise

   16:19And Am I o am I okay?

   16:23So my understanding, and of course this isn't within the MPUD, that there's a possibility of having a loom as well to get more commercial square footage by reducing residential square footage. But again, my colleague who proc processed the comprehensive plan amendment is telling me that 40,000 square feet is the is the max.

   MarianoVice Chair

   16:43So I when I had my meetings, this was all designed to go to 10. acres which is more than forty four hundred thousand square feet, so I have an objection to that. Um And I'm not looking for all residential, I want to see commercial up there. And I'm and and I'm told it's supposed to happen in the MPUD anyway, so I I'd like to see get get that adjusted or have the conversation about it.

   StarkeyChair

   17:10Okay. Does anyone else have any questions? We'll have the applicant come up and talk about the project.

   17:17Okay. Let's hear from the applicant.

   Barbara Wilhite

   17:23Barbara Will Hyde, sixty three twenty seven, Graham Boulevard, Newport Ritchie, three four six five two. Good afternoon, Commissioners. So the number is that we included in our traffic analysis was forty thousand square feet and that was based upon five parcels at eight thousand square feet apiece, which is common Um square footage for uh the acreage um that they have there. If if if the county wants us to add more, um, as long as staff didn't object, we certainly could change the

   17:54number. Do

   StarkeyChair

   17:54you have the Do you have any site layout or anything? So

   Barbara Wilhite

   18:00I don't have staff has not given their presentation. I just came up to answer the question. I mean well I guess Denise did, but it was a it wasn't a PowerPoint presentation.

   MarianoVice Chair

   18:08Alright, so if I could, let me ask talk ask the alpha kind of question? So Barbara, how do we see it on the map which shows 10 acres? Which equates closer to forty thousand square feet, but at the same time we see this here at forty thousand. And that was something I told you was a

   Unidentified speaker

   18:23Mm-hmm.

   MarianoVice Chair

   18:24What what what what are we missing here as far as why is why isn't that show that number showed to be four hundred thousand exposed to four?

   Barbara Wilhite

   18:31Well it's it's forty and that's the that's the number that the The team. For those acreage based upon their experience in laying out commercial uses for those acres That's the square footage they thought was appropriate for that location.

   MarianoVice Chair

   18:46So the ten acres of land is supposed to get forty thousand square feet of commercial? Yeah,

   Barbara Wilhite

   18:50five parcels at eight thousand square feet apiece is where they come up with came up with forty. Now I could bring up

   StarkeyChair

   18:57Is that like five drive through something?

   Barbara Wilhite

   19:00Well it's not they don't have it's it's approved as commercial, we don't have it breaking down into us users yet, but it is that's how the numbers arrived at. And I can have our engineer who you know worked with the client to come up with the appropriate numbers for that because you don't want to overentitle it. So there's the

   MarianoVice Chair

   19:21master plan the map.

   Denise

   19:22Yeah, I mean we're not really talking about P one hundred, but if you wanted to see what the complexion is proposed, because yeah, that's where it would be.

   Barbara Wilhite

   19:33But the Com Plan does set those numbers, so I wouldn't want you to go past the and say let's just deal with it in the M P D when the Comm plan's a P D, so it sets those numbers as well.

   19:45It doesn't set the acreage for the commercial, it sets the number, but it says forty as the number.

   MarianoVice Chair

   19:53I'm thoroughly confused. Um Denise, let me ask you another cut question.

   20:01So so if I'm gonna set this up for Ten acres of commercial. They can fill it as intense as they want. I'm not worried about that. Why would it have such a low number there?

   Denise

   20:12Um I I I believe Barbara stated that her that's the analysis that her transportation team put together. For forty forty thousand square feet of commercial.

   MarianoVice Chair

   20:22On ten acres of land. On on four for four parts. So let me say this. So th the the ten acres of land that's set up there, it can't be anything else except for retail or commercial. They can't for residential.

   Denise

   20:32That's correct.

   MarianoVice Chair

   20:33All right. We'll deal with MPD

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   20:35next.

   20:38But understand you're capping it. In the comp plan.

   20:42Yeah.

   20:45Because this is a this is a P D comp plan. Okay. So their entitlements will be forty thousand square feet of commercial. Unless they unless they switch it to the metal take and matrix unless they take residential and convert it to commercial. Um Madam Chairman

   Moore

   21:03M

   StarkeyChair

   21:03Commissioner Moore. I'm getting dizzy. I

   Moore

   21:06don't

   StarkeyChair

   21:06I'm sorry.

   Moore

   21:08Maybe Denise or Robert you can answer this. Just going back to um Commissioner Oakley's statement about about the forty thousand if but Mr. Steis here said it would be capped at forty thousand. Is that correct, sir?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   21:20Yes.

   Moore

   21:20Okay. You can actually I would assume on ten acres you can probably fit more if you wanted to, right? Just just just on the ten acres, this is you might go vertical or something like that. You c you can always raise the maximum to satisfy probably commissioners concerns. Doesn't mean you have to fill it.

   Barbara Wilhite

   21:38Yes, if the county was comfortable they wanted to change the number in these documents, that could occur. And we probably need to make sure we add to the sub-area policy the loom language. So if you if you do adopt this sub-area policy in this comp plan, let's reference the loom and if you do want to do the different number, um

   Moore

   21:57In case the market changes or something like that and there's a there's a larger need for and you realize okay, well we we need there's a there's the there's a need for more, you know, whether it be sixty or seventy or eighty thousand, you could move it up. Right. Hmm.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   22:14Madam Chairman Mari Commissioner Moore. The the problem with that is all of their analysis was done on forty thousand for this comprehensive plan amendment that we sent to DEO was based on forty thousand. So unless they use a loom to convert All these numbers need to be recalculated for whatever the

   Moore

   22:32It would have to go back it would have to go back to DO again.

   22:35Yeah. In theory,

   22:36yes. Okay. I got you. Okay. Just

   MarianoVice Chair

   22:39I'm not a slower guy. Look at t try to help look

   Moore

   22:41for

   MarianoVice Chair

   22:41solutions. No, appreciate it. Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   22:48Okay.

   22:50Um is that your That's I'm I'm gonna I don't know if there's any public comment, so I'm just gonna Okay wait. We'll see if there's any public comment. I'm looking I'm here looking at the map.

   StarkeyChair

   23:03Uh i are there any other public people who wish to speak on this P ninety two.

   StarkeyChair

   23:09Madam Chair, I do not have anyone signed up and no one's on WebEx with this item.

   StarkeyChair

   23:13I it's to the board. So no one will approve. Well. Second. Sorry. All in favor? Aye. Roll call vote. I'm sorry it's an ordinance. It's a roll call vote.

   StarkeyChair

   23:23District One, Commissioner Oakley.

   StarkeyChair

   23:25Aye.

   StarkeyChair

   23:26District two, Commissioner Moore. Aye. District four, Commissioner Fitzpatrick. Aye. District five, Commissioner Mariano. Aye. District three, Chairman Starkey.

   StarkeyChair

   23:34Aye. All right. Um P ninety three. And that's a rezoning I think. No, one more ordinance. Okay.