PDD-22-7542

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1. 1Apr 21, 2022
   Planning CommissionP12Public hearingApproved

   Zoning Amendment (Consent) (Regular) – Swope MPUD Master … an A-C Agricultural and AR- 5 AR-5 Agricultural-Residential Zoning Districts to … a Maximum of 953 Single-family Single- family Detached Units, 119 Single-family Attached Units, 336 Multi- family 600 Multi-family Units, and 116,882 120,982 Support Commercial Uses on Approximately 493 Acres.

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   Approved as part of the Public Hearing Consent Agenda.

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2. 2May 3, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP59Public hearingApproved

   Approved minutes

   Approved the Public Hearing Consent Agenda which included Agenda item P59.

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   Denise

   1:40:43Okay.

   StarkeyChair

   1:40:43Okay. Um now this is uh P fifty nine is a consent? But I had um heard that some of you might want to speak on it, but if you don't then I'll leave it on consent. But I thought you would have to be.

   1:40:59Okay. Um did

   Denise

   1:41:00you want a full presentation or just want to ask the questions? I

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:41:03can just I can ask two questions. Sure.

   Denise

   1:41:05Let me let me read it if it's okay and we'll get the advertising and thank you, Commissioner.

   StarkeyChair

   1:41:09Thank you. All right. Item P fifty nine was published in the Tampa Bay Times on April 6, 2022.

   Denise

   1:41:15So P59 is PDD 227542 is for SWOP MPUD Master Plan Unit Development, Running Dog Ranch, Inc. S. Morris Kit Kythendale Inc. and SWOP 535419 is for a rezoning from an ACAR districts to MPUD Master Plan Unit Development to allow a maximum of 953 single-family detached units, 119 single family attached, 330. six multifamily units and one sixteen eight eighty two uh thousand square feet support commercial uses on

   1:41:45four hundred and ninety-three acres approximately comes through with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet. Maybe you have some questions.

   StarkeyChair

   1:41:53Okay. Um Commissioner Mariano had some questions.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:41:57Yeah, first of all, uh the traffic study um and Brad you and I talked about this before. Um was the traffic study done at the appropriate times, meaning peak hours?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:42:10Uh Brad tip in planning and development. I'm gonna have our our team come up. Uh Essen, I believe, can speak to this very specifically about that for

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:42:19the study. And for the board, while you're coming up, the reason the reason I I I question the study is is I look at all the traffic that runs coming from the east side to the west side. Uh if you're at 430 traffic, 530, it's happened to me several times. times it takes me over twenty minutes to get to the intersection at forty one. And I just want to make sure that you guys have accounted for at proper timing with your study.

   Asin Khalil

   1:42:44Commissioner O Mariano, Board, my name is Asin Khalil with current planning. Uh yes, Commissioner Mariano, when we do these types of traffic analysis, we are looking they're based on PM peak hour or the peak hour actually. Could be AMP in both. So the studies are done in two parts. One is looking at the Roadway capacity, whether the roadway, whether it be a two-lane, four-lane, whether it can handle this added development traffic,

   1:43:15you know, through the build out year of this development. And the second phase of the study is looking at their specific access. meaning how many cuts they're gonna have on a particular highway. What improvements are they going to be triggering? uh which may include turn lanes, which may include signalization of the intersections, so on and so forth. When we reviewed this specific project, we did look at the segment of Highway 52. and the intersections that are included in it. Uh

   1:43:45specifically US 41, we did not go that far out to look at that segment. Uh And I think the reason for that was because one, the impact of the traffic we did not believe are going gonna go out that far and plus that segment of 52 is under construction right now for improvements. Uh and it is scheduled to be completed, if I'm not mistaken, by year 2023. So that will drastically you know, improve the level of service at that intersection and

   1:44:15the delay that you're experiencing. In the morning heading east, PM heading west. And the same happens on US forty one. the northbound delay that you experience in the peak hours. Uh this segment that's along this project along fifty the the 52 segment uh east of US 41 going to Bellamy uh there are no signalized intersections. and per our guidelines is considered to be a free flowing segment. uh

   1:44:45uninterrupted flow. So when you look at these studies and you review these traffic studies, We're looking at a much higher capacity because it is free-flowing. In d in that segment. uh when we reviewed this sp specific traffic study through their build out year that segment of fifty two does not show failure. Um The intersection that you're talking about may show specific spots, may show certain failures for certain movements. In the case of US forty one, uh, it

   1:45:16is gonna be improved as under construction. There was a delay because there was a contractor that

   1:45:25Right. So now it is under underway and it's gonna be done. Uh So does that answer your question?

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:45:32That's that's good, thank you. Um so again, that was a concern of mine. I want to have it addressed. Certainly we know, but I I get the verification. We did talk about it yesterday. Um and one of the point I want to bring out in the future. If somebody has industrial land desires in the in this CPEV, I don't want them to have to go to a public hearing, have to do a swap. I want them to just get it real easy to get themselves industrial land to bring in more jobs. So it's not the upsetting of

   1:46:02this particular one, but I thought was appropriate for the conversation, especially what we saw today.

   Moore

   1:46:06Yeah. Madam Chairman again, like we mentioned earlier, I mean I had expar ex parte communication with the with the uh applicant ex ex parte communication with the um Neighboring. parcel as well and that's even the neighborhood parcel parcel we were having that conversation is like hey you know in the future like you stated and that's what we brought it up earlier today in and make sure everybody's on board you guys are all on board right um is that we don't have to go through that process 'cause we want industrial, we want to continue an industrial new industrial. Them having in my opinion, again this

   1:46:36was done by a long time ago for you were here and you were here and and most of us were here, but them having to go through this swap thing, I mean the top When we want more industrial, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Yeah, you sure it's a it's it's a lot of work for people. So, you know, with if the neighbors and I see some neighbors sitting out of the audience, if they want to be able to put industrial, they should be able to do that, do it tomorrow if they want to. You know.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:47:02So we staff dictate. So Madam Chair, I'm I'm comfortable with it. So

   StarkeyChair

   1:47:05No, I I have questions. Sorry. Sorry, Joel. Um but I have some questions for you. Um, looking at the um outline of the property, I see you've grabbed um an interesting part of the trail. So I just want to understand what's going on down there.

   Joel

   1:47:24Yeah, we jol to two and associates for the applicant and the property owner uh Yeah. I don't know what you mean by grab the trail. Well, I it's a good idea. See

   StarkeyChair

   1:47:35that red little tail, how it I mean, so that's the that is the orange belt trail, right?

   Joel

   1:47:40Yeah, yeah, I think that's the right-of-way. What's going on there? I got it. Um a good while ago the property owner part of the acquisition of this parcel had that that piece with it as part of the property ownership. And we recognize that and we are included. including that in the MPD plan. We are accommodating that and planning for that future trail system and we of course will tie our project into that and we're happy to have that future trail system be there on that southern piece. So the

   1:48:10good news actually is is that this MPUD owner owns that much of it. So ours is being committed in this MP MPUD zoning.

   StarkeyChair

   1:48:19Okay, so uh and it'll be more than I mean I I I hope you're really planning to amenetize that portion of the trail three years.

   Joel

   1:48:27I I figured you would be building that trail up to uh Hernando and Citrus County. We we have the land. We're we're setting aside the land and obviously we will we will do whatever we're required to do in that section of the trail. Uh you just need to make sure as all these others come in that you get the rest of that piece along that southern boundary. Yeah. Because you've got all these divided ownerships. The good news is Mr. Swope has a large chunk of it for you. So you're you you're getting your first piece.

   StarkeyChair

   1:48:54All right, and also I noticed in your conditions that you were asking for a reduction in the park for the multi-company.

   Joel

   1:49:01It it we unfortunately have to ask for it as a variation, but what we're asking for is exactly what this board has approved on the last eight or ten projects that we've brought through. We're getting exactly the same thing, which is it's what is supported by parks and natural resources. were complying exactly with their current requirement. Frankly, they just haven't had time to get around to updating your code to make that the norm for multifamily projects. But they're they're approving that condition

   1:49:31in every one. We just approved it at Newport Corners and Two Rivers and everywhere else.

   StarkeyChair

   1:49:37Um and um lastly uh and this is kind of for Terry too I guess um last night um some of the planning staff and I attended the talk about town that Frank Starkey had with the executive director of the Congress for New Urbanism. and we got into a discussion about parking and over parking And it seems to me we still are over parking our um apartments and it's just a shame. I saw I saw I think two point two percent

   1:50:07apartments.

   Joel

   1:50:08Your standard right now is two point two or two point two five, but but what what staff has been doing consistently in what they have agreed to here is one point nine. Yeah, I saw that. We still we still think that's too high, but that's what they will give us so that's what we've been taking on all these is one point nine.

   StarkeyChair

   1:50:25So I'm wondering if some of that um when when uh this layout is done if some of that could be done in a format for maybe uh some trailhead parking For the trail. And um an as overflow for the apartments, maybe we can get some parking for the trail. There because I think it's over parked for apartments. I know Frank was saying he has f um forty five units in his building in downtown New Port Richey has forty five cars. So,

   1:50:56you know, we're at two point two per per apartment. So Um I I really think we need to reduce that. It's uh it's over parked.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:51:05I I agree, uh Commissioner uh Brad Tippen again. Um we are looking at parking in the very near future. Uh we are working through the landscape uh code changes first. Parking is gonna be one of the next pieces on that agenda, so we will we will address that in more detail. We have heard that some uh parking for certain apartment complex, they've been able to show studies saying that they're at 1-6.

   StarkeyChair

   1:51:27Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:51:27Uh, you know, in some cases lower, but it's kind of the the area, when you're in a suburban area it's a little bit different. The walkability, you still need to have cars. So there's you know, even if you can walk somewhere you need a place to park your car for when you can't walk somewhere. So it's a little bit of a mixed bag. So we look at each case individually and independently, and right now 1.9 is where we feel comfortable for the time being. But we will certainly look at that again with the parking that comes in with code. As to the little piece of trail that you're talking about, we have talked about that extensively with

   1:51:58uh Tina Russo and MPO and the trail system and the parks group as well, related to the uh common. that Joel made uh on the uh 10%, using the 10% of the the acreage at the multifamily spot for that. That is something that we do consistently. Um so to you know incorporate what we can into a a park system or a trail system we'll do if there's some parking that we can accommodate for a a pseudo trailhead type of scenario, we can certainly look at that

   1:52:28as well at time of site plan. We can see what space is there and how it works. Uh I did speak with Tina with MPO and she said that she was comfortable uh with this uh the way it was because uh the southern edge there is all Swift Mud property. That's not going to be developed. And Swift Mud is generally okay with trail systems that kind of uh meander into their property. So we we think that we'll have an ability to be able to make some stuff work, but we can't really get into that until site plan. So uh I believe the applicant is that they're they're willing to discuss that at

   1:52:58Site Plan and and we can look into all those details, making sure that they have connections to the trail where they're reasonable and and whatnot.

   StarkeyChair

   1:53:04Okay. Well that'll help their project sell very quickly.

   Moore

   1:53:07We'd approve the consent agenda. Second.

   StarkeyChair

   1:53:09All in favor? Aye.

   Moore

   1:53:11Aye.

   StarkeyChair

   1:53:12Okay, thanks.

   project engineer

   1:53:27Yeah.

   Oakley

   1:53:30I guess we're a little business.

   StarkeyChair

   1:53:36Yeah. Commissioner Oakley.