PDD-23-0216

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1. 1Feb 16, 2023
   Planning CommissionPC7Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   An Ordinance Amending The Pasco County Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan; Plan Amendment (Consent) - CPAS22(07) SR 54 Black Lake Road - Providing For for A Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan … 2-15 And Sheet 19) Changing From RES-3 (Residential-3 Du/Ga) Du/Ga), To PD (Planned Development ) Development) On Approximately 33.72 Acres … On The South Side Of of State Road 54 At The Southwest Intersection Of of State Road 54 And and Black Lake Road And … Amendment Creating Subarea Policy FLU Flu 7.1.69 – SR 54 … SR 54 Black Lake PD; Providing For Additional Text Amendments As Necessary For Internal Consistency; Providing For A Repealer, Severability, And An Effective Date PD.

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   Denise

   19:28And if I may, I'm gonna go out of order because this is a companion item because you have to have the land use in place in order to have the zoning. Okay. So the companion item to this item was properly advertised, but we want them to track together. So PC seven, which is PDD 230216, small sale small scale comprehensive plan amendment um from from um Res three residential three dwelling units per gross acre to PD. This item also is a request to continue it to the three sixteen twenty-three

   19:58local planning agency meeting at one thirty in Newport Ritchie.

   Moody

   20:03Okay. Move to continue item PC seven.

   Denise

   20:06Do you want to call for public comment? I'm sorry, just in case.

   GreyChair

   20:10Um well I didn't see any on the last one, but I'll go ahead and call for it. Thank you. Uh any comment on this one? See none.

   Denise

   20:19And I do want to mention, I apologize, that there

   20:21is

   20:21no one signed up to speak on these items other than the applicants for the items on WebEx. Okay,

   GreyChair

   20:26thank you. All right. So we have a a motion and a second. Any further discussion on the motion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Motion carries.

2. 2Mar 16, 2023
   Planning CommissionPC4Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   An Ordinance Amending The Pasco County Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan; Plan Amendment (Consent) - CPAS22(07) SR 54 Black Lake Road - Providing For for A Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan … 2-15 And Sheet 19) Changing From RES-3 (Residential-3 Du/Ga) Du/Ga), To PD (Planned Development ) Development) On Approximately 33.72 Acres … On The South Side Of of State Road 54 At The Southwest Intersection Of of State Road 54 And and Black Lake Road And … 54 Black Lake PD; And A Map and a map Amendment To The to the Future Land Use Map 2-9 Adding adding Subarea Map 2-9(69) SR 54 Black Lake PD; Providing For Additional Text Amendments As Necessary For Internal Consistency; Providing For A Repealer, Severability, And An Effective Date PD.

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3. 3Mar 21, 2023
   Board of County CommissionersP44Public hearingAdopted

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   Approved to adopt by roll call vote.

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   Starkey

   38:09P forty-four.

   38:14Item P forty-four was published in the Tampay Times on March 1st, 2023.

   Starkey

   38:26Is this mine or yours? This is yours. That's mine.

   Amy Heiler

   38:29Good afternoon, Amy Heiler with Long Range Planning. The item uh that you are going the presentation for the item today is going to be for a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment. This is the adoption hearing for CPASS uh 2207, State Road 54, Black Lake Road. And I will read the ordinance into record. An ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan, providing for a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map, Map

   39:002-15 and Sheet 19, from Res 3 residential 3 dwelling units per gross acre to PD plan development on approximately 33.72 acres of real property located on the south side of State Road 54 at the southwest. Intersection of State Road 54 and Black Lake Road and a text amendment creating sub-area policy flu 7.1.69, SR 54 Black Lake PD, and a map amendment to the future land use map 2-9, adding sub-area

   39:30map 2-969, SR 54 Black Lake PD, providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency and providing.

   39:42Mm. And the subject property is located in the South Market area and the urban service area. The proposal is a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the uh to change the future land use designation from Res 3, uh residential three dwelling units per gross acre to PD plan development on approximately 33 acres to allow for the development of 135,000 square feet of retail commercial office uses, as well as a 250-room

   40:13hotel. As previously stated, it's located on the south side of State Road 54 at the southwest intersection of State Road 54 and Black Lake Road. And the resolution to the applicant's proposal is a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map 2-15 and sheet 19, a text amendment creating sub-area policy flu 7.1.69, and a map amendment to the future. Land use map two-nine, adding sub-area map two-969. There is also

   40:43a rezoning petition to MPUD following uh after this presentation. These are the policies that the proposed comprehensive plan is supported and consistent with. Here is your existing zoning. The existing future land use of Res II. the proposed future land use of P D, And this is the proposed conceptual plan for the planned development. As you can see on the west side, that's where the commercial

   41:13retail hotel uses are proposed. And on the east side of Black Lake, that's where the commercial retail is located.

   41:26I wanna give him a minute to take a look.

   Stephen Olsett

   41:32Can I ask a question? What what are you saying this is supposed to be right here?

   Amy Heiler

   41:36Uh commercial retail uses. Commercial retail and

   MarianoChair

   41:40Sir we sir we g we can have this discussion.

   Amy Heiler

   41:48And that's the end of the presentation. So with that, we do recommend that the Board of County Commissioners find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and adopt by roll call vote. And I'd be happy to answer any questions.

   MarianoChair

   41:59Any questions for Amy? Mr. Starkey.

   Starkey

   42:02Uh well um okay, well here comes the applicant. But maybe we'll let the applicant do her presentation and then I'll share with you and maybe she'll share a little bit of the work that we've done on this, so Sure. Um of course this is the comp plan and then we're gonna go to the site plan, but it's right after, right? Yeah, so are you okay? Um

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   42:25I

   42:28M, I guess. For some reason I thought this was county initiated.

   Starkey

   42:32Oh no, that's that's though Desert Town Center. I at first thought that was this too for getting. I I I was so excited that maybe that was it, but I I don't think we're there yet.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   42:44Yeah. That's transmittal. Okay. But get stuff

   Starkey

   42:46coming to my district.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   42:47That's

   Barbara Wilhite

   42:48all I can say. Chairman

   42:48Mariano.

   42:49District Chair Commissioner's Barbara Willheid, sixty three, twenty-seven, Grand Boulevard. Very happy to um represent this project. We're going from residential land use to a commercial a land use that allows commercial and hotel. Fits all the policies, all the things that you ask us to do and to bring forward to you. We are at two signalized intersections on State Road 54. We spent many, many, many months working with the District Commissioner Starkey and your

   43:20planning director and really laying out this property because it has its it's narrow, but they really wanted it to orient what's going on in Astoria as well as what we can do on this property. And having to make sure make sure we had more than one use. So we'd have a hotel use as well as commercial retail, which also can be office. So my client is here as well as our traffic consultant Steve Henry. We can see what public comment brings, but uh all I can just add to what the staff has already presented is that this is. is

   43:50what you have asked and this is what your com plan has asked us to bring forward. We also brought forward the MPUD at the same time. We get asked about that a lot. So we have both the Com Plan before you today and the MPUD.

   MarianoChair

   44:03Commissioner Starkey.

   Starkey

   44:04I'm gonna suggest that we just go ahead and roll into the MPUD because we're gonna get comments that are probably I mean I I feel like we should understand what's coming in here. And What do you think of of her going ahead and doing the Well no, you'll have opportunity to speak twice, but you can't do that from there. Um Uh just so um you

   Sharon Sukhil

   44:30I

   Starkey

   44:30It's kinda like what we just asked the other applicant to do, so

   Sharon Sukhil

   44:33you don't have to be so rude.

   44:37What is the person I ever

   MarianoChair

   44:39Ma'am, please

   Sharon Sukhil

   44:40my gun.

   MarianoChair

   44:43I know, but ma'am, there's a public hearing. You will have your opportunity of public comment, ma'am. Please.

   Starkey

   44:50What do you think of hearing the MPUD or do you want to go with the comp plan first?

   MarianoChair

   44:54I I think we should do

   Starkey

   44:55the comp plan

   MarianoChair

   44:56first. I think you should do your best. If that's your whole presentation of the comp plan, so be it. That we'll take public comment for the comp plan, and then I think we can go right to the MPD.

   Starkey

   45:03Okay. Well I'll save my comments then for the MPD.

   MarianoChair

   45:05Okay. Well applicants all done? Okay, so we're gonna do public comment now. For item P forty four. After that we'll be here in the M PUD will be more details to it, but Has anyone signed up for P P forty four?

   Starkey

   45:19I do not have anyone signed up for P forty four, but they are there are individuals signed up for P forty five.

   MarianoChair

   45:24Okay. So to be clear, P forty four is the comprehensive plan use plan for the same property That will be P forty five.

   45:36ordinance for the comprehensive plan And you want to talk about P forty four?

   45:42After that we'll have the presentation for the MPUD for P 45.

   Sharon Sukhil

   45:49I don't uh my name is Sharon Sukhil. I live on Chesapeake Drive, [address removed]. My property uh is right next to the property that um is the park. Okay, there's supposed to be a right of way in between my property and the park. Okay. I've lived on that property for twenty one year, twenty th two years now. I worked for this county for nine and a half years. I was very proud to work for this county. I worked

   46:19for the IT department and we had a very good a very good rapport. Okay, now I see what's happening to my neighborhood. I've been retired for 10 years and I'm seeing what's happening and I am ashamed of this county. I see. People getting hit by cars trying to walk to our park. We have a beautiful park, but we can't get to it because we can get killed by all the vehicles going up and down the street. They start at Black

   46:50Lake and they see how fast they can get till they get to the park. 70 miles an hour. Okay, nobody has been listening to me. I've been asking for a boardwalk to go in from the end of the road, from the end of my property to the park, which is in front of the woods. Just woods. You have a boardwalk. in that park that you advertise as natural a nature walk. You can have a nature walk walking to the park.

   47:20You can get bit just as many times too. You can get thrown into the into the gully that's along our road, up both sides, I might I say. We don't even have a pullover lane. And you want to add more traffic, more commercial stuff to our to our tiny little piece that you won't even help us repair and keep beautiful. We can't even use bathrooms at our park. There's nothing. There is nothing at a park. And you want to

   47:50put up more commercial, I'm sick of it. We don't have any vibrant places left. We don't have any open spaces left because you're cementing them all in and you wonder why the globe is warming. I have nothing more to say except I am disgusted by the people that run this county now. Thank you.

   MarianoChair

   48:15Quiet, please. Any does no one else signed up?

   Starkey

   48:19No, but uh I don't know if that would be a little bit more than a little bit.

   MarianoChair

   48:20Anyone else want to address P forty four?

   Starkey

   48:23Because it's not showing up.

   Stephen Olsett

   48:25Uh

   48:27Am I allowed to speak?

   MarianoChair

   48:28Yes. My name

   Stephen Olsett

   48:30is Stephen Olseth. I live in Pasco County. I have a lot of questions about the address? I'm sorry?

   MarianoChair

   48:35Your

   Stephen Olsett

   48:35address? [address removed].

   MarianoChair

   48:38Thank you.

   Stephen Olsett

   48:40My wife told me about this hearing was happening because she found out about on Facebook last night at ten o'clock at

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   48:46night.

   Stephen Olsett

   48:47Okay? There are no public hearing announcement signages in our neighborhood or anywhere around there that you I found out about this on Facebook. Okay. I don't see anybody from my neighborhood here. I apparently Hi guys, how you doing? Um How are you supposed to do this behind everybody's backs? Why why aren't the signs up? I I really I ask you guys to to po postpone this until you make a public announcement

   49:18that this is hearing is gonna happen and reschedule it for another day.

   49:24I'm outraged.

   Starkey

   49:30Name and address for the record, please.

   Stern Summers

   49:31My name is Stern Summers and my address is [address removed]. My wife Lori is with me here. We've lived and owned this property since two tausend one. We have to do that. We bought the property when it was fifty-four. The county decided to move fifty-four away from us and put it where it's at right now and take our commercial property away from us back then. We lost thousands of dollars then.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   49:56We had a gift shop.

   Stern Summers

   49:57We had a gift shop there. We have never had flooding in our neighborhood. And the proposed plan from what was shown on Thursday last week or when the last hearing was is that it's going to flood our area. We're going to put us in a flood zone. That's right. That's ridiculous. It's insane. There isn't anybody in our neighborhood that's millionaires that can afford extra insurance or extra uh potential problems with their property for repairs, anything like that. And if they're gonna go through with this, there needs to be a slush fund. Put

   50:28up for us. And protecting us.

   50:33Black Lake Road is not a major business road. The entrances going into these properties are mostly coming off of Black Lake Road. We're We're a we're a residential community mostly there. We don't need the extra traffic. We don't want the extra traffic. This was never posted. I live there, I drive around that whole area every single day going to and from work, and there has never been a sign saying that this was happening. There's a very few people, maybe

   51:04twenty, that knew or had any kind of a letter saying this was gonna happen and we happen to be one of 'em. It is unreasonable to flood, putting our whole area into a flood zone, all the way down Chesapeake, all the way over to east of us, past our neighborhoods, and south past Geneva Lake. Nobody has told us about any of this. And if you guys approve this, you're not even thinking about the people who live there now. And how we feel and

   51:34how it's gonna affect us.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   51:36Why and why so many hotel rooms? Two hundred and fifty in that

   Stern Summers

   51:39small area. Ma'am, you'll get your opportunity if you want to speak. So there's two hundred and fifty hotel rooms put in. The whole hotels around us don't even come near that. Why do we need two hundred and fifty rooms? So that they can sneak in in later like this other community they talked about earlier and try to change it to So Condos or Uh apartments. Later on down the road. Are we serious? There's not enough That area over there has been saved for agricultural. I don't even remember a sign going

   52:09up saying it was changed from agricultural to residential. When did that happen? We've been here twenty-three years and we never knew that happened. That was farmland.

   52:20And we've known it as farmland up till now.

   52:26It's just a little bit more than that. And what about the Has there been a road study for traffic? And how it's gonna affect us? I don't think so. I don't ever see no ropes going across the road measuring how many people are going up down that road now. And how fast they're going. I mean they're going 70 miles an hour down Blake Lake Road now.

   Barbara Wilhite

   52:45That's right.

   Stern Summers

   52:46Come on.

   52:50You gotta start looking at the people who are in these communities and how it affects them and not going for taking care of people who have the money.

   MarianoChair

   52:59Your wife can speak if she wants.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   53:02What? You could speak if you

   53:04wanted

   53:04to three minutes.

   53:11Um Now if there's an accident on State Road 54 and they use Black Lake as the road to get out of the accident area, it turns into a parking lot now. And you're gonna have three entrances on Black Lake that will enter the hotel, enter the commercial, and then on the end where the cell tower used to be. The it's gonna turn into a parking lot. It's already a parking lot now. It's a small road and like my husband said State Road 54 was moved and straightened out better because there's so many curves on Black

   53:41Lake. How do you expect all these businesses to have people coming in and out safely on a road that you wouldn't use before as the state road to it widen it? So we that live there it's a huge concern. There's gonna be accident after accident. When you try to pull out on that curve you can't see people that well and if they're coming fast, are you gonna put speed bumps on? Are you gonna do a Black Lake study? Because I if you surveyed anything for this property, you did 54. You didn't do anything on the Black Lake side. So it is a huge

   54:12concern and what's gonna happen when there's a flood, I believe I was here at the meeting and I was shocked that this was all done because I I thought it was like changing it to changing the zoning. I didn't know it was going to be that huge of a zoning change. So when I came here I was shocked to see that the flooding's gonna change So If it is a flooding area and it floods all the way to 54 gun all the way over to Ogden Loop, uh please tell me how the people that live on Geneva and Black Lake are gonna get out. When we're flooded in now. Again, we've been

   54:42here since 2001 and we you know our heart and soul is in that area as well as the other neighbors that weren't notified. I've only had since Thursday. to Sunday to tell people. And some of these people that said they found it out on Facebook, that's true. I told the Lake Associations, I I I was telling anyone I could because they weren't even notified and there was never, ever any signs. When we did a garage, we had to put up a sign for 30 days saying we were putting up a garage. Where were their signs? They're putting up a 250-room

   55:12hotel in a commercial strip, two restaurants in another commercial strip, and no notification? I'm I'm a I'm disgusted with that as well. So I thank you for hearing us. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   55:29Good afternoon, Commissioner. Sorry I'm unprepared. I just found out about the meeting yesterday. I just moved to the name and address for the remote. Yes, Irene Culianos, [address removed]. And it's a very beautiful area, and the reason I left Charpon Springs was to get away from the flood zones. My home is not in the flood zone right now, and I am very concerned for the news that this might be turning into a flood area.

   55:59So I don't know what we need to do to address that. That would be number one. And number two, 250 room uh hotel right now. Um I fear for my life when I take my bike on Chesapeake. There's no sidewalk. So I can't imagine the issues that we're going to be facing if the uh county doesn't address some of the basics. Uh also I

   56:30went around to my sweet neighbors, no one knew about this, so perhaps we can readdress letting proper notification for something as big as this. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   56:51Uh I'm Ben Mercadontoe at [address removed]. I've lived in uh Port Lake Estate since the eighties. And have been a part of the Lake Association uh for a few decades now. All these flakes are connected and uh We're concerned about the impacts that this might have. And of course, as everybody has already said, no one's been aware of this. uh development change. So I don't know how we went from a uh Residential

   57:21to a C two. There are rules about this and I hope this comprehensive change is being justified. and looked at because there's a lot of people. that this is gonna impact. So I hope you guys you do your homework and uh Look at this a little bit more thoroughly. And really this neighborhood really needs to be addressed about what's going on here. I never saw any signs either. I don't know what that's about, but Um that's why a

   57:51lot of us are not that prepared because we just found out about this. And you know, this is a big change. Some of us have lived there for many decades. And this is gonna impact us in on lots of different ways and you you've heard a lot of them already. So I do hope you do more homework. This gets put off and studied and looked at a lot closer. Thank you. Thank you.

   Barry Jackson

   58:17Hi, Commissioners. Um I uh my name is Barry Jackson. My address that I'm here to speak about today is [address removed]. Um but I currently own well over a million dollars worth of real estate in Pasco County. This one's the my primary, so as you can imagine, this one it's it's home. I'm also the president of the association he just he just referenced because I started asking questions a few years ago. And what I my questions are or if I can ask questions along

   58:47the way. So this is currently residential and by my math it's thirty three acres and it's approved for three houses per so that's about a hundred homes could be built there. Is that current? Is that right?

   MarianoChair

   59:01Public comment we don't have discussion, but we'll address it later on. Okay. So if you couldn't you can f ask your question, but just a lot of people.

   Barry Jackson

   59:06And the reason okay. The reason I asked that is being the person that manages our funds for maintaining our waterways, which if they've as they've said, we're well over a hundred acres and I'm the person that allocates our funds. Well because of the development and it's been directly reported.

   59:23Acres of Okay.

   59:29So we have over a hundred acres of that that that I I'm I'm responsible for, pooling all of our funds and taking care of. And through this process I've been educated from geologists and biologists and as such and Directly related to a lot of the development in our area, the Asturia and the other. it's created some challenges for us that we have to foot the bill for, to the tune of Tens of thousands of dollars in the last twenty-four months. which is more than what was alloc what was spent in the last twenty

   59:59years. And so it's not really gonna be sustainable for the hundred and fifty homes that have to take care of that. So what consideration if this is stayed if this remains as residential and you could put a hundred homes? That almost seems to be the the more evil of the two, right, when we're looking at at this. Um So I wanna to know what levels of consideration and or efforts can be put forth and or language and and your approved plans can would we

   1:00:29would we be able to put into this to maybe make some type of financial responsibility if we see elevated levels and we have data that show where all of our levels are in all of our water, we collect it quarterly. And if we see a spike that is gonna continue to have us spend tens of thousands of dollars a year. to try to manage just so we can use Could we pass some of that responsibility on to the approved plan of such? Um That would be my primary question. Obviously living here

   1:01:00and having kids What additional constraints or as resources can we put to address some of the problems that they're putting in? Because you know Black Lake, that's a chuff I'm sure we're gonna see a red light there. Egress, regress of all that as well That's making it more pedestrian friendly in that area 'cause right now, as she said My kids have been run off that road once or twice by people s speeding, which I know isn't really your problem, but we're creating an environment that that per that that can perpetuate that, right? So that would be my question is what

   1:01:30level of what level of effort can we put into addressing the challenges we're already experienced and how they're gonna be exasperated because I can pr show the data from us what we're doing and what we have where our levels are now and when we see an increase would we be able to put some language in that makes whatever you approve Share in that responsibility. Okay. Thanks guys. Thanks for what you do. Thank you.

   Stephen Olsett

   1:01:57Um sir you spoke to this one. You can wait till the next one to speak. It'll be you can talk however you want, but it'll be on under P forty five, but right now it's just P forty four.

   1:02:07I haven't had a chance I just got this. I haven't had a chance to read this. I don't know Okay. What the next topic is. I want to I want to address the flood zone.

   MarianoChair

   1:02:15You'll be able to address that at the at the next one coming.

   Stephen Olsett

   1:02:18Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:02:21My name's Larue Terry. I live at [address removed]. We do not need another hotel in our area. There's two hotels now, two point eight miles from this property. If you go take Highway fifty four from nineteen to forty one, you will see S um strip malls. that have four lease signs out. They are not all occupied. The property should remain as agricultural. Where are we gonna put the cows in

   1:02:51the crops? People have to eat, whether they have a hotel room or not. They have to eat. Agricultural property is going to be extremely valuable. much more than commercial. If the rezoning meeting uh and the last rezoning meeting I asked about the Swift MUD Study. And Mr. Fraser s did call me yesterday and stating no it has not been completed. I asked about the environmental study that was never even addressed in the last meeting. I don't understand

   1:03:22why there's not a traffic study because the traffic is

   1:03:28No rezoning signs were ever posted. We understand that the ethics committee has asked us that if the rezoning does go through We are to contact them because there was no rezoning signs. Mm-hmm. And I do have signed petitions. Be glad to give them to you. Move to receive and file. Pardon me. You can give those petitions. And

   MarianoChair

   1:03:49I'm gonna do a roll call vote

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:03:50real quick. I have copies. You have all the originals.

   MarianoChair

   1:03:54Just

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:03:54across from the hotel we have a stage company which has very large semis. We have an excavating company which has large equipment. I mean, is that really the view? That they want to see from a hotel. Or you could look at a six lane highway. Thank you for your time. I'll get you the petitions.

   MarianoChair

   1:04:16Okay, thank you. And we'll roll call vote for the petitions.

   Starkey

   1:04:19District One, Commissioner Oakley. All right. District two, Commissioner Weightman.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:04:24Right.

   Starkey

   1:04:24District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Bradford. Aye. District five, uh Chairman Mariano. Aye.

   MarianoChair

   1:04:32Thank you. Next speaker. Is anyone else to speak to this item? Please line up behind this gentleman.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:04:39Corey Catz [address removed]. Just coming to um also point at the fact that signage noticing was not there. And I think the community as a whole needs a little more time to get some information on this and have a chance to have a voice heard. Thank you. Yeah, thank you.

   MarianoChair

   1:04:55Okay. So that's it for public comment for this item. All right. No one no one on WebEx?

   Starkey

   1:05:00No one on WebEx.

   MarianoChair

   1:05:01All right. So before we go further to hear the next item. Um clearly you've had a lot of people. Everyone say they haven't seen a sign out there. Um I don't know if the applicant wants to address it or staff had seen him or put him out there or not.

   Amy Heiler

   1:05:16So I did um email Amy Hyler Longrange Pellemane. I did email Desiree the affidavit of public noticing. It was mailed out within 500 feet of the subject property to appro a little over 70 people. Um some of the addresses I did cross-reference them. They are within about 2,000 feet of the subject property, which is probably why they didn't receive noticing. There is affidavit and proof of The sign in front of the site as well.

   Starkey

   1:05:42And and I did listen to the Planning Commission meeting. Maybe some of you all did too. And there were people at the Planning Commission meeting. So there was there was It was a I'm sure Barb will show you the pictures, but they they did have the sign out. Mr. Chairman

   MarianoChair

   1:05:56Mari Commissioner Bradford.

   Starkey

   1:05:57Thank you.

   Bradford

   1:06:01There's no sign.

   MarianoChair

   1:06:03Quiet, please.

   1:06:09Quiet, please. Commissioner Bradford.

   Bradford

   1:06:12Thank you. Mm sure. Barbara, it's very simple from from my point of view. In your opinion Were your signs that you represent this client were they posted properly?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:06:24Posted in requirement with the requirements of land development code. We posted per pursuant to the requirements in land development code, we sent out the letters Pursuant to land development code.

   MarianoChair

   1:06:35Where were the signs posted, if I could ask?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:06:38On fifty four.

   MarianoChair

   1:06:39Nothing on Black Lake Road.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:06:41On state route fifty four. That's your it's that that's our main entrance, that's our main access.

   MarianoChair

   1:06:49Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna say that I think we should look to continue this. Um Let's get signs out on both sides of the street, bring it back again where at least the people get a chance to look at this ahead of time.

   Starkey

   1:07:02Um well

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:07:06Barbara, I I you can answer all of their questions. I mean what would you like us to to answer their questions? I mean the end of the day you heard the same themes. I did. And you can have more people and you'll hear the same themes. So I think we should talk about the items that you did hear and hear our rebuttal and our answer to those items. I kind of misinformation. There was. Because that's what happens on social media.

   Starkey

   1:07:27Yes.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:07:27Is you get misinformation spread. So maybe we can straighten out some of that.

   MarianoChair

   1:07:33Well I I really

   1:07:37Yeah I think we may have to change our code, frankly. Because if the people on the back side of this property where I hear this entrance is coming in which I don't know yet, haven't seen it. Um as far as descriptions go, but if all these people didn't know about this and we just had signs in fifty-four Um Maybe we need to re-look at our code how we're setting it up. 'Cause clearly the the whole item to this public hearing process to let people know what's coming on to get 'em in before you. Now clearly just putting one fifty four. These people are probably turning right or left. into it

   1:08:07before they get to the sign, they're not gonna see the sign. So the very people it's affecting never get to see it. From what I'm seeing.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:08:14Be very happy to comply with whatever noticing the code requires. That's what I do. We do it noticing all the time. But again, we can respond to all of these comments. There's a lot of misinformation. So we'd like to have our opportunity to respond.

   OakleyVice Chair

   1:08:27I will give you that opportunity, Mr. Chairman. Go Commissioner Oakley. You find this happening in in other projects too, when when y they only are required to notice people or send out letters to people within five hundred feet of a property. And there's a lot of people that get left out on those letters. that are interested but they're not within five hundred feet. So that happens all over the county. So maybe we need to revisit how we send out those notices in the future

   1:08:57that It would cover more people, I guess. So

   MarianoChair

   1:09:01I think in the committee reports today we're gonna have that discussion. Um I'd say because of everybody here. Um I think we should let the applicant talk. Yeah.

   Starkey

   1:09:13Yeah. And I and I agree. I think Um, The parameters should be But I think I think we should put signs on both sides. So we that's something we need to look at. But I do agree with Barbara that she needs to that there w there were a lot of things said that She may be able to clear up and so Rather than let it grow on social media with some incorrect statements, I think we need to let Barbara speak. Thank you.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:09:43And the th the two main things are I'd like to have my client address the drainage. There was some confusion at Planning Commission. I think that's people picked up on that and and ran with that. Um so I want to do that as well as our our traffic consultant is here. We do all the studies that are required, cultural resource. In an environmental study, we also have to do the traffic studies and all those things were done for this property. So let me start with having Kevin come up and tell you about the drainage for this property because it's pretty black and

   1:10:13white and he can explain that to you and to uh the folks here and get that cleared up.

   Kevin Frazier

   1:10:23Uh good afternoon. My name is Kevin Frazier with Axiom Real Estate, uh address thirty-seven fifteen North Side Parkway, suite four-five fifteen. Atlanta, Georgia.

   1:10:35Pardon me. Uh thank you for everybody's time. Um we did have questions at the Planning Commission hearing uh most notably on the potential for flooding. And there was a diagram that was pulled up on the screen that I think is the genesis of a lot of the um The speakers in terms of their being concerned that we're actually causing a floodplain or causing their homes to then fall into a flood zone. Uh that map is an existing map of flood events. That is not a FEMA flood zone map.

   1:11:06Um we will be required as a condition of our permitting both with the county, with Swift Mud, and with F DOT, that when we design and construct this site, that we cannot create an adverse event south of us. We cannot cause flooding to the properties to the south. So I will categorically state we are not putting any homes into a floodplain that are not already in a flood zone. Today. The standard that we're going to have to design because the outflow of Black Lake itself

   1:11:36flows north to Highway 54. In fact, there's a concrete plume that you can see today where that outflow occurs. And we will be designing to the F DOT standard, which I'll add and ensures one, that all of the water flow from our site will flow north, not south. Nothing.

   1:11:57It is true. Please don't speak from the audience. That is a requirement in order for us to obtain permitting, as you all know. The F DOT standard, I'll also add, is much more arduous than the county standard and the Swift MUD standard. We are required to adhere to what's called the critical storm duration. The county and Swift Mud only require a design to a twenty-five year flu uh event. Or a 24-hour event. The F

   1:12:27DOT standard requires that I design to a 100-year storm event and a 10-day volume event. So it's substantially higher in terms of the threshold that I have to meet. In my design to ensure that no flooding occurs south of our property as a result of our project. And again, all of our retaining ponds will retain on site. All the off-flow or outflow from those ponds will flow north to State Road 54 and again will have to be designed to the

   1:12:58Florida Department of Transportation standard.

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   1:13:01Mm mm.

   Kevin Frazier

   1:13:03So again, the map that was shown, that was uh that was not a map that was taking into consideration anything that I'm proposing to do on site. That is just a flooding event that has been observed over the years of what's happening out there. We again will be designing to ensure that any flow from our property that is generated is going to flow north to State Road 54, and that's going to be a requirement by law. They will not give me a permit unless I design it to that standard. Yeah, I'm sorry, what was the other question?

   Starkey

   1:13:31Was it traffic or would that be

   Kevin Frazier

   1:13:32the traffic question? We had to perform what's called a traffic methodology as a stipulation of our submittal to the county for the zoning. That is public information, it is with the county. that report has been done in its entirety. It is finished. As a result of that report, I have to install improvements to ensure that the traffic generated from my property again Similar to the situation with respect to the to the uh to the flooding, does not create an invert an adverse impact on

   1:14:03the surrounding properties. We're gonna have to install D cell lanes to ensure the safe navigation of cars heading east and west on Black Lake Road. We're having to do the same thing for the entrances on State Road 54. What I'd also add is the lion's share of the consumer traffic that we will be pulling in is going to be coming off of State Road 54. We're going to have three points of ingress and egress, two traffic lights, the ability for people to actually turn into our project from 54 and then exit back onto

   1:14:3354 without ever going on to Black Lake Road itself. But we still understand that we're going to be pulling in some traffic from the south. I hope the neighbors that are here today will get to enjoy some of the new uses that we're going to be bringing into the market, but allowing them to enter the property without having to go on to 54 and enter the intense speed zone that 54 obviously creates. So again, this is being designed in an effort to get cars onto and off of the property as quickly and efficiently as possible. The

   1:15:03county is also going to take into consideration that traffic methodology report, and they're going to impose improvements on me that I'm going to have to install again to ensure that there is no adverse impact created. And that will all be done on my dime.

   1:15:18In addition, we also had to perform uh what's called a species survey as well as a historical preservation survey, again, requirements of the county. All of those have been done and have been submitted. And uh with respect to Swift MUD, uh there was actually not a Swift MUD report required. We do have to get a permit from Swift MUD. We did what's called a wetlands delineation, which is what I shared with Ms. Terry. And in addition, there'll be one of the three governing jurisdictions that obviously has a say over when we go through permitting on this project. So we've done every

   1:15:48reporting standard required of us by the county with respect to traffic, with respect to delineation of wetlands, historical preservation, and species surveys.

   Starkey

   1:16:01Um

   MarianoChair

   1:16:02Mr. Stark.

   Starkey

   1:16:07Well, I'm just thinking if this is Res three and they had X amount of homes, which generates more traffic? Um, homes or or businesses because this this land is going to be developed. And Um and I appreciate the woman who talked talked about the importance of vagland and I agree, I think it's really important that You know, we this country keeps Agland. Um we heard Commissioner Simpson speak about that when we were up in Tallahassee. But as a former cattle

   1:16:38rancher, this is not the place to put cattle. Yeah They get out on State Road fifty four, someone's gonna die. We've seen it w happen. No no one would ever This is not a good place for ag um and this land will will be developed. This landowner has the rights for it to be developed. So That so then our responsibility is what can we put here that is a benefit to the community. And not negative for the community. I do want to say my in laws

   1:17:08used to live down on Point Anne? And um so I I I've driven Chesapeake many times. And I used to g when I first started dating my husband, there were two restaurants in West Pasco. Pit Boss and Ronados. And I'm sure all of y'all remember no Ronados no Ronate actually Ronados just moved into my neighborhood, but The Branados used to be on that corner. And it to me it's kinda sad to see what's happened to that corner. I'm not even sure

   1:17:38that's legal with all that stuff on there, but Um I I'm gonna agree and and give you a little history. Sorry I'm sorry I'm gonna wax on here for a second. Um when when that when they were speaking about that park. And now this was before I was here, but Pasco County did a a referendum, I think in the seventies or eighties, for parks. And Odessa was supposed to get a regional uh a regional park. And they ran out of money. before they got to the Odessa Park. And

   1:18:09so what they have now is a community park. And it's like the forgotten park in this county. And um I'm kinda interested when they said the restrooms weren't working, so I'm gonna find out what that's all about. But Uh The so and I and Chesapeake would greatly benefit from a sidewalk. So we need to uh get that on the county. County list. Um But I just want to give that little context to this air to

   1:18:39this area. So okay. have

   Kevin Frazier

   1:18:41one more second? Uh with respect to um self-containing on site, I think there was some concern from the community to the south. Uh the gentleman that got up and spoke about the lake, um, um that there would be some adverse impact for uh water on my site coming off that site and then thus contaminating their lake, that is not going to happen. Everything will be self-contained in our detention ponds. Those ponds will outflow north. into Highway 54. So again, ensuring that everything is

   1:19:11self-contained and there's not going to be any flows of water from my property south into the neighborhoods or into that lake.

   Starkey

   1:19:19And so the comp plan, uh Steve, you got up to speak. Did you want to speak about traffic?

   Henry

   1:19:23Well, Steve Henry, Links and Associates, 5023 West Laurel, Tampa, 33607. So as far as the traffic study. So just so you know that uh what we did as far as the traffic, we had a needs assessment that was done for the comp plan, which is a requirement of your code. And then in addition to that, for the zoning, we then had a timing and phasing and access management analysis. Done. Both were submitted to the public record, both were reviewed by your staff. Um now as far as the access for the project, real quick explain to you. So what one the first access is to Lake Point Parkway. So

   1:19:54that one is a signal that was recently put in. We actually designed that signal, and it was designed to add the fourth leg to that intersection for this project. So this project will connect directly to a signal on 54 at Lake Point Parkway. In addition to that, we have got two right-in-write-out accesses to 54. We have already met with DOT, we have had a pre-app with DOT, and they are okay with it with the additional two right-of-way. Right in, right outs to 54. And in addition, we've got the uh signal at Black Lake. So the reality is, uh as indicated,

   1:20:25the majority of the traffic is going to be oriented to 54, which is the main highway. Will we have access to the rear? Yes. But the primary traffic will be from 54 through the signals that are there and through the direct access to 54 that is there. Unless you have any questions.

   Starkey

   1:20:44Uh another context that I want to put for all of you uh in this area, and if you could put up Get rid of Seth Weightman. And and put up the aerial map. Um And and uh here's some other context too. So uh st Black Lake Road used to be a D O T road until recently when they realized I think maybe when you guys started working on this They realized whoops. That one needed to go back to the county. I don't know

   1:21:14if we could store those credits for County Line Road or something, Jack. But But uh we took over the maintenance of Black Lake Road in this last year. I believe it was this last year. So if you look if you look here, I just want you to see what's around it. So Across the street is um remind me the name of that project of the people from Atlanta. Asturia and and that's that industrial um facility that we gave

   1:21:44money, Pats to Poor's there on Lake Point. Then you have pa that's um That landfill or whatever that is that you know they're leaving there and that's We don't know what that's gonna be, I don't think. Um you oh okay, I don't wanna see this one. I wanna see the real map because I wanna be looking even further north.

   1:22:12And um and to Lake Point. Lake Point and Rangeland.

   1:22:19And why that that road there and that hotel Well probably Be a very, very successful hotel. Um to the north. Um there you see Starkey Ranch to the left. And you see Rangeland Boulevard coming? That's tower or rangeland is gonna go all the way to the Sun Coast and over. And that's that property that we own that the school district bought a part of And where the youth sports complex was going.

   1:22:49That hotel's and walking distance of that that property. And um that will be A uh pedest uh that will be a pedestrian cor corridor. when we finish out Lake Point. to that to access whatever y'all cannot speak from there. And we have two bailiffs here and it's very disruptive to us. We did not interrupt you when you were speaking to us. So um so that will be uh Kind of a pedestrian interesting

   1:23:20corridor as it goes to to the north. So um just to give you a little context of the area where this is.

   1:23:28Okay.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:23:30I would just add the most.

   MarianoChair

   1:23:32Uh Commissioner Weightman.

   Weightman

   1:23:35Could y'all zoom in and help me understand where this park is?

   Starkey

   1:23:39It's down Chesapeake to the staff. If you move this north. You'll see that right there. It has a softball field. a tennis court and a little community house that's been there for a long time.

   1:23:55And there are no sidewalks on that road.

   Unidentified speaker

   1:23:59Yeah, I I agree with you, Commissioner Starkey, about

   1:24:04Is there a lot of bulked in in the theory?

   Starkey

   1:24:07Yeah, I don't think there is.

   1:24:10Well I can't.

   Unidentified speaker

   1:24:11So what's the distance, approximate distance from where this project is to this park?

   Amy Heiler

   1:24:17Well

   1:24:20I did measure it earlier. It's approximately twenty five hundred feet. Amy Highly long range.

   Starkey

   1:24:26But um Well,

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:24:29probably chancer. So I one thing I want to point out is just look at the land use. And I don't know if you can put the land use map back map back up that staff had or just put the land use layer on which you have up there on Pasco Mapper. But what you'll find is this property is res three and it's res three for a reason, because you designated that in nineteen ninety. When I was a high graduating from high school no graduating from college. And you just never updated your comp plans. When when fifty four was now became the new fifty four. You

   1:25:00had Res III in between, but you never updated your Com plan. So I'm hoping sometime you'll update your comp plan so that we don't have thirty year old comp plan And we cr have these issues when we have these public hearing, because your comp plan's just old. This would have never been designated like this, res three next to fifty four. And the reason I know that is

   Starkey

   1:25:19when you

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:25:20look to the south on Black Lake. There's a bunch of ROR in C two. That used to be the state road. When the comp plan came in it knew the comp plan knew thirty years ago. that you you do these types of uses You do the retail, you do the office, you do the hotels on the state road. So this is just an an issue of your comp plan not catching up and now we have to come in here one by one and and irritate people. To get your Com Plan consistent with all of your plans, urban service

   1:25:50area arterial roadway, two signalized intersections, south market area prioritizing this type of development, requesting this type of development. Um all those reasons support and there is a lot of context and I think The commissioner did a good job. She took that away from me. I was gonna do that context, but uh thought she did a very good job. It's her district and she knows it well. So That's the actual information. Regarding this site.

   MarianoChair

   1:26:22Commissioner Weightman.

   Weightman

   1:26:25Thank you. Uh Ms. Wilhai, uh the are there conditions around this project that the hotel will be a hotel and There won't be any multifamily on this project site.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:26:37There will be no multifamily on this project site, no car washes, no self-storage. Staff went through and Made us take away all those things that you talk about that you don't want. I had many people ask about this site for for mul for multifamily apartments. When this client came I said, Oh thank goodness, this is actually what you want. Um and so we brought this project forward.

   Starkey

   1:26:58And you and you won't see it until you see the site plan, the next the next um

   MarianoChair

   1:27:06Right. So we'll go w let's go to the next item, but before we get there, just to touch on one thing as far as As you say, the the the old fifty four as it was, now it's changed, that's why we get the difference. There are the two industrial light parcels right beside it.

   Starkey

   1:27:21And across the street,

   MarianoChair

   1:27:22retail across the way. even run on the other side of Black Lake Road, so um Those purple lines up there show that there was a Thought of differently from before. All right, so let's do this. Let's go to P forty five.

   Starkey

   1:27:37Right, do you want to give the a publication for P forty five?

   MarianoChair

   1:27:39Please.

   Starkey

   1:27:40Item P forty-five was published in the Tampay Times on March 1, 2023.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:27:54Mr. Chairman, since you've taken it out of order, do you want me to read read the rezoning procedures?

   MarianoChair

   1:27:59Yes, I think it's clear to say that this one here will not stay on consent.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:28:05It's okay. Rezoning procedures, please. There are two rezoning agenda agendas, regular and consent. Staff will present each application to the Board of County Commissioners. If staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition, the application will be considered by the board without further presentation. if staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application. The applicant will be given five minutes for presentation. The opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative. And the applicant

   1:28:36will be given three minutes for rebuttal. Any individual disagreeing with staff or planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning may at this time request the petition be pulled. On the consent agenda, in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during meeting. Otherwise, all resounding applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion vote. If you wish to speak to any petition, please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record. These are quasi-judicial

   1:29:07public hearing. The law in Florida is mere public support or opposition of an application. is insufficient for this Board to take action, Please limit your comments. to those criteria found within the board's land development code. Madam Clerk, would you like to swear them in, please?

   Starkey

   1:29:23Yes, uh Mr. Steinzeiter, if you are here to speak on this item or not this item, the rest of the items on the agenda, please stand and raise your right hands.

   1:29:35So the individuals that spoke prior, you're probably going to want to speak again.

   MarianoChair

   1:29:41You're going

   1:29:41to

   1:29:41be s need to be sworn in this time.

   Starkey

   1:29:43There you go.

   1:29:49All right, I see a lot of people sitting down, but I'll go ahead and swear in the ones that are standing up. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth, so help you God. Thank you.

   ▶ 1:31:3856m2/2

   MarianoChair

   1:31:38right. All right, back to item P forty five. Read the title, please.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:31:42Yep, you got it. It's not. It's regular.

   Amy Heiler

   1:31:53Good afternoon. Amy Heiler with Long Range Planning. P45 is a zoning amendment in the name of SR 54 Black Lake MPUD Master Plan Unit Development. P and B properties of Pasco County LLC. It is a rezoning request from AC Agricultural District to an MPUD Master Plan Unit Development to allow for the development of 135,000 square feet of commercial retail and at 250 room hotel um or 250 hotel rooms on

   1:32:23approximately 33.27 acres, we do uh recommend or this does come with a recommendation of approval with conditions. And I will go through the presentation for this one. So as stated, this is State Road 54 Black Lake Road MPD in the name of PDD 22-7648. It is a rezoning request from MC Agricultural Residential District to MPD Master Plan Unit Development District to allow for the development of 135,000 square feet of commercial

   1:32:53retail and 250 hotel rooms on approximately 33 acres. the subject sites located in the South Market area.

   1:33:04This is your visual for the aerial showing where uh State Road 54 and Black Lake Road is on the subject property. Your current zoning district of AC. And the proposed uh or I'm sorry, existing future land use of res three, which is currently being heard to propose an amendment to P D. Here is your surrounding development, identifying all the MPDs with the within the area with Legacy to the north, Ashley to the south, Starkey Ranch to the west.

   Starkey

   1:33:34Well legacy is Asteria.

   Amy Heiler

   1:33:37Yes ma'am, thank you.

   1:33:40So the application the applicant has requested a couple variations. I will go through those from the code. The first variation is LDC section 805.6, restrictions on post-development wetlands and upland buffers within residential lots and non-residential parcels. The developer has added within the condition that they may enter into a reciprocal easement and maintenance agreement in the form. Acceptable to the county. This meets the intent of the LDC as the LDC seeks to place those operational maintenance responsibilities

   1:34:11of all open space, drainage areas, common areas, landscape areas, wetland areas, buffer areas, preservation, conservation areas, recreation areas, and park areas, and other special purpose areas under the responsibility of a single representative entity or for the enti for the entire Of the parcels, such as a HOA or CDD, the property owner is beholden to the approved site plan to operate and maintain all noted areas without exception.

   1:34:38And the second variation request is to section LDC 905.2, landscape and buffering, to modify internal landscape buffers since this is a mixed-use project with integrated land uses that should not be separated from each other by a landscape buffer. Further, the applicant proposes a variation from this section in order to allow the landscape buffers to be counted towards the minimum. Back requirements, which will further intent further the intent of the mixed-use project by making the most

   1:35:08efficient use of the property. The proposed development is intended to be designed in a manner that provides for pedestrian connectivity, walkability, and internal capture through the placement of buildings in close proximity to each other. The intent of LDC Section 905.2 is to ensure sufficient buffering standards are In place to separate uses. However, buffers increase distances between structures. So staff supports the variation request from LDC Section 905.2 as standard buffering

   1:35:39does not lend itself to a walkable environment and takes away from the overall goal of the Black Lake MPD development. This is the submitted master plan that identifies where your proposed hotel commercial retail uses are located. As you can see, the yellow areas are going to be where those uses are proposed. The green area is your buffering along the wetland and boundary or border of the subject property. There is a walkable boardwalk,

   1:36:10pedestrian. Access being your brown area, and then the blue area is going to be your open space drainage.

   1:36:21And to go through the findings of fact of the with that's that's in your agenda right now. Um so starting with number one, finding of fact, the future land use is currently Res 3. There's an accompanying proposed comprehensive plan amendment to PD to allow for a mixture of commercial retail office entitlements and a 250-room hotel. The subject site includes approximately 14.54 acres of wetlands that are calculated. Category 1 that's identified as Black Lake and Category 3 wetlands. The site is located in

   1:36:51the urban service area and within the Sun Coast Transit Center Overlay. The subject site contains three archaeological sites. The project is located within the El Nino 95 or 98 observed flooding area. The subject site includes a conceptual trail planned along the northern portion of the property. in the name of SR-54 Trail, whose segment extends approximately 3.29 miles from Trinity Boulevard and Suncoast Parkway, as identified on the Greenways Blue Ways Trails map. And

   1:37:22with that we recommend approval with conditions. And would be happy to answer any questions.

   MarianoChair

   1:37:28Any questions?

   Starkey

   1:37:30Um is the apple

   MarianoChair

   1:37:31working.

   Starkey

   1:37:32Yes, thank you. Is the applicant gonna show any more detail detailed maps? Okay. Can we see those? Okay. Um and y and you remember earlier today when I said

   MarianoChair

   1:37:42All right, anyone's up a question for staff first? No? Okay.

   Starkey

   1:37:46Well okay. Um is there a connection between the hotel and the commercial?

   Amy Heiler

   1:37:52Uh yes, ma'am, I believe there is or yes, Commissioner Starkey, there are going to be um uh they're going to connect the trails between each side of the uses. Um I believe it's along State Road 54 is where we're gonna have that connection occur. So it is going to ensure that The Black Lake isn't going to dissect both of them. You're gonna or bisect both of them. You're gonna be able to access the hotel and the retail commercial uses by walking and not having to get into your vehicle.

   Starkey

   1:38:18Okay, and that may be part of the applicant's presentation.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:38:23We're having a bit of a technology challenge here, but I think maybe we're getting close to being able to bring up our concept planning.

   Mike Carballa

   1:38:28I just have to

   1:38:28turn

   1:38:28off my Barbara Willheight filter.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:38:32Barbable Height for the Applicant, 6327 Grand Boulevard. We have some pretty unique uh conditions. Not only what I mentioned is a a whole list of prohibited uses that are very marketable um relative to car washes and self storage and the things you hear about all the time. We prohibited those out of this project. The other part of it is we have a specific connectivity and amenity plan that will be reviewed by staff as we move forward in connection with our site plan approval. So

   1:39:02they'll be looking at our plans, unlike everybody else, it just meets the code. We have a specific plan that gets looked at regarding how we orient our uses, how we connect. We do have a a category one wetland right in the middle. That's between our hotel and our retail, but we want our retail to be able to Walk. or our hotel to be able to walk to our retail. We want our neighbors to be able to walk and to be a walkable place.

   1:39:29And this is our concept plan. We actually worked quite a bit on it. Um and I I won't be able to do it justice, but I can bring my um client up who can go through uh the plan and and the different um components of it. Again We show you this, although this is not the MPD plan, because staff has an extra conditions in here and condition 34, they'll be looking at our plan when we come in later for site plan, unlike other projects.

   Kevin Frazier

   1:40:12Hello again, Kevin Frazier, Axon Real Estate, Atlanta, Georgia, 3715 Northside Parkway, Northwest, suite 4-515, Atlanta, Georgia. And you have been sworn. And I, yes, I'm sorry, I have been sworn in. Thanks. Thank you. Um so as uh as Barbara mentioned, uh we spent a lot of time uh with county staff in terms of the uh the construction of this site plan. Um I've been doing uh commercial development for 15 years. Uh this is one of the more challenging sites uh that I've had to site plan just based on the dimensions. Usually

   1:40:43in real estate development, we deal in squares and rectangles. This is kind of more of a not a parallelogram, I would say, but trapezoid is probably a good description. And we were also tasked with creating interparsel activity, basically activating the spaces in between buildings. And um while some of our users traditionally don't Um engage in site plans like that for the right sites and for the

   1:41:13right markets, they are willing to compromise. And um so what we've done is we've created uh communal gathering spaces in between the two uh restaurant buildings that you'll see uh that are just to the um east of the larger box. That large pond feature you see to the rear, that is our detention facility, but we're also using that as a water feature. And again, speaking to the last item that was before you all in the comp plan, everything will be self-contained on site based on requirements

   1:41:43from FDOT standards. Um We've also employed obviously landscaping, which will be a requirement of the county throughout the project itself. I did hear somebody mention large parking lot right before I stood up to speak. These uses, commercial uses, require parking. Restaurants require parking. They can't thrive, they can't function without it. And what I'll say is we've actually skinnyed this down right to the threshold of where those users would start to

   1:42:13get uncomfortable. So we've done everything within our power to reduce the amount. while still having something that is functional and still meets the intent of what the county tasked us with, which was having a vibrant Walkable project, but also one that does not have an adverse impact on the surrounding community and is more of an amenity. to that community. Um Again, we've designed it in such a manner, uh even though it is bifurcated by the lake, which we can't control,

   1:42:44uh, we will still be required to uh to install pathways along the north side and south side. Of that lake so that a person could walk from the western phase to the eastern phase without having to get into their car and drive either on Black Lake Road or on State Road 54. We've also created internal paths, uh a dock feature on the lake itself, uh, so that this can be a communal gathering spot. Um one item or one um speaker that I heard at the last hearing was the Ambutz facility to the south of

   1:43:14us and that they when the lo the road changed and stay route fifty four was pushed north. they actually lost their exposure to the line share of the traffic that generates and drives their membership. and uh that by developing and activating this site in the right way. They will actually have an enhanced profile and again an amenity for their membership that will draw in more members, but will also give them the ability to, rather than having to drive um, west to Trinity or

   1:43:44east to Wesley Chapel, you know, they'll be able to stay in one place. And so what that actually does, it has the effect of taking cars off of the road. It reduces the trips that are frequenting on f highway fifty four. The uh the county standards, um we designed this to county standards. There's gonna be more input uh when we work through the permitting process with county staff. But we are committed to being one, a great neighbor. We're committed to bringing a great project to this part of Pasco

   1:44:14County. And we have a very exciting cast of users that are looking to come in. And so with that, I'll answer any questions that the County Commission has.

   Starkey

   1:44:28Okay. Okay. 'Cause you probably knew I was gonna ask you about the parking. Yes. Because 'Cause everyone knows I I And I said it earlier today, buildings surrounded by parking. So This does seem to have a lot of parking. Um What are what is the ratio that we're at?

   Kevin Frazier

   1:44:46I don't know the number off the top of my head, but I'll have my civil confirm that. Um we are required uh at a minimum to build to a certain parks per thousand with county standards. And um oftentimes the county standards are less than what these restaurants require internally to meet their corporate approval. Um restaurants that have uh seats, these are casual dining restaurants, these are not fast food restaurants. And so um people are coming in, staying, uh, and the intent would be, you know, once they finish their meal, they'll

   1:45:17have an amenity that they can spend some more time or they can go to another part of the project that may satisfy another need that they have at that point in time. Um but again, these restaurants cannot survive without parking. Uh if they don't have parking, the people that will come by will just continue to drive on.

   Starkey

   1:45:33So the um the big The big yellow square, that's not a restaurant, right?

   1:45:41Wouldn't the would that be open at night or would that close seven o'clock or something?

   Kevin Frazier

   1:45:46It's gonna be it's gonna close at normal business hours. It will not be open late. And so But

   Starkey

   1:45:50wouldn't you count those parking spaces towards the easier?

   Kevin Frazier

   1:45:53Well we had to to get the tenant to agree to the site plan.

   Starkey

   1:45:56We had to what?

   Kevin Frazier

   1:45:57We had basically had to show them that they've got a use that's going to be adjacent to them that's not going to conflict with their peak hours and that that tenant will be able to utilize the parking that that larger box will not be utilizing after it's closed. so that they can satisfy their parking requirement because they are actually a heavier parking requirement than the tenant that's to the immediate east, but that shares that same little kind of patio field area.

   Starkey

   1:46:21And um And Would would that Would those two restaurants not benefit being pulled down closer to the lake?

   Kevin Frazier

   1:46:30No, because these tenants require and rely upon visibility from the main road. Again, the line share of the traffic is going to be pulled in from State Road 54. If those tenants and their sight lines are compromised, that's the very first thing that they confront me with. when I'm present presenting a site plan to them and oftentimes that is codified in their lease that I cannot build any other structures in front of their linear profile that would compromise those sidelines. So um no, they can't be pushed back to the lake.

   Starkey

   1:47:00I and board members um When this first came in it was Pretty much a building. Is is like your typical stripped out, you know, fast food circles around each building and I I I tasked them with And we we met quite a few times, building a place that people would want to go to on a Saturday night. Um

   1:47:25you know, with your family or date night or something. We just don't have enough of those. So Um that is why you see this patio area between the two, right? I don't I if you want to describe your project in more detail. the area between the two restaurants that's

   Kevin Frazier

   1:47:42It's just a shared community space. So the So the intent being that um both of those uh restaurants will have patio features, but this will be a place where families can congregate maybe after they're finished with their meal, uh places for children to play, uh just pay basically places for people to congregate. Now I know nobody's gonna do that for um to alleviate uh any pressures, perceived pressures on the community to the south.

   Starkey

   1:48:06All right, and you have two entrances off of 54?

   Kevin Frazier

   1:48:10Yes, ma'am, including a dedicated left median or dedicated left end as you head westbound on State Road 54. So that would allow somebody rather than having to turn left at the traffic light and come in on Black Lake Road, enter from the rear. Customers heading westbound towards Trinity can actually enter from 54 as they're making a westbound movement. So it's not a full access point, it's a three-way access point. Um which is, I mean if you w you all me to point it out, I don't know if it's clear on the plan where that's located. But it's right

   1:48:40in front of the larger build I guess. Yeah,

   Starkey

   1:48:42it's right it's right over there. It's kinda goes in, then you curve around.

   Kevin Frazier

   1:48:45It's right here. So that way we keep people again keeping cars off of Black Lake Road allowing somebody to travel into the project as they head westbound rather than having to get onto Black Lake that they would have interpreted.

   Starkey

   1:48:59Okay, so um anyone else have any questions?

   OakleyVice Chair

   1:49:01Yeah. Commissioner Oakley. Thank you. Uh so all the water on this property actually moves Driven or north. Yes sir. Across pitch four.

   Kevin Frazier

   1:49:10Yes, sir.

   OakleyVice Chair

   1:49:11Are there any inlets or exits on the south side of this property that that goes the other way?

   Kevin Frazier

   1:49:17No, so the None whatsoever? Uh none that we're designing and to my knowledge none that are there today. Um the flume that is the outfall for Black Lake, and I can show you exactly where it is.

   1:49:31And you can see it when you drive. It's located, you just kind of make it out, but it's kind of right north of my finger.

   MarianoChair

   1:49:36Just north of where it says Black Lake.

   Kevin Frazier

   1:49:38Yeah, yes, sir. Correct. And that flows under State Road 54 and outfalls into um, I'm not sure what the what the water district is there on the other side of the uh on the other side of the road, but everything flows. north. Close to north. And our detention pond will have pipes that outflow that outflow to fifty four as well. We're not going to be outflow outflowing into the lake directly. There will be a pipe that runs from our detention pond north that outfalls into the kind of the ditch there with 54 and runs into that same flume. that

   1:50:08is the outfall for Black Lake Road itself. So nothing will be heading south.

   OakleyVice Chair

   1:50:12Okay. 'Cause I think that's some of the worries or concerns they had environmentally if if anything was coming from this property back

   Kevin Frazier

   1:50:19to the south. Yeah. I think that's a good thing. And again, we'll be required to design to that F DOT standard, which is going to impose on us a much higher level of scrutiny and um sustainability than it would if we were only designing to Pasco County or to Swift Mud requirements. I understand that. That's good.

   OakleyVice Chair

   1:50:39Okay. Commissioner Starkey.

   Starkey

   1:50:41Yeah, so um one of the um thoughts that we had as as as we asked them to massage this to make it better for the community. is that the community to the south Could access it. Easily. And um I don't remember what the speed limit is on Chesapeake. Um do you rem Steve, do you remember what the speed limit is on Just Peak? Okay, so Um You know, more and more communities are becoming golf cart communities. And um

   1:51:12and right now I think Chesapeake has to be You know, we need to look at it to make sure it's safe for um people to access to the north without being afraid of getting run over if they're on a bike or walking. Um but I certainly can see and hope that residents to the south Can have a nice place to go for dinner. or to lunch or breakfast. I don't I'm not I don't recall what's coming in here. I'm not sure you've even told us yet. Um

   1:51:43without having to get in their car. and drive on fifty four. And ultimately that you know, that's the goal to create nice communities like that. So

   MarianoChair

   1:51:52So let me lead into where I was gonna go was you you're talking to that. Um on the southern part of the property we talked about Black Lake Road, people having access to it. Yes sir. Um it looked like you said you were gonna put a s a trail or a sidewalk Around Black Lake so you can connect from one to the other. Uh I I think it should probably run all the way from the The front of fifty four, which I I think you need to do anyway, right?

   Kevin Frazier

   1:52:16So we have to so so F DOT is gonna require that I continue the sidewalk along the entire frontage of my property. Okay.

   MarianoChair

   1:52:22So I'd like to see it also be coming down. And then also going around the back so that anybody down below you

   Kevin Frazier

   1:52:28Well, so there's a wetland um area, which you can see it's kind of it just to the east of where the tree line ends on Black Lake Road, there is a there is a wetland buffer there that I cannot touch. I can't put any improvements uh in that area. That's a county and a state requirement. Um we talked about this during the um planning commission hearing. that um that we because we originally had that ordinance written or had that written in as one of the conditions of the zoning and

   1:52:59uh that it was removed because we're not allowed to construct in that area. All right

   MarianoChair

   1:53:02so what area are you speaking of?

   Kevin Frazier

   1:53:08Everything basically that rings the side of the lake. There's a wetland buffer area. You can just see a dashed line here that that identifies the limits of the wetland. Uh state law and county law will not allow me to do any construction.

   MarianoChair

   1:53:21Oh, so I'm just talking along Black Lake Road.

   Kevin Frazier

   1:53:24Oh no, we're already we're already showing that. Okay. We're already showing that. Oh

   Starkey

   1:53:26yeah.

   Kevin Frazier

   1:53:27Sorry about that. I misunderstood the question.

   Starkey

   1:53:31So

   MarianoChair

   1:53:31anybody accessing from down below will be able to get

   1:53:33on

   1:53:33there. How wide is it how white is it going to be? I'm sorry. How wide is it going to be? How

   Kevin Frazier

   1:53:37wide is the sidewalk? Uh that's gonna be a county standard. I don't know the answer to that, but I can ask my civil engineer. They'll be able to get that answer. But it but there's a a minimum standard that F D O T is gonna require that we build to and then the county will require us to build to.

   MarianoChair

   1:53:51Commissioner Starkey, are there are there golf carts in the community?

   Starkey

   1:53:54I don't uh probably not right now, but um I don't know if they've never come in and asked to be a golf cart community, which you kind of we can designate you that. Um But um I'm certainly open to helping you become one if you would like to zip around in golf carts and get to these restaurants without having to start up your car.

   MarianoChair

   1:54:15So how I mean if we've got one chance to get this pathway, how how wide do you think the pathway should be?

   Starkey

   1:54:22Um that's a Tina Russo question.

   Kevin Frazier

   1:54:24Well and I'll also add that the that the wetlands on Black Lake extend all the way up to Black Lake Road. So again, I'm gonna be confronted with the same issues. So there's gonna be a limit to how wide I can make it. Um that's gonna be completely outside the realm of my control. That's gonna be a state and county

   MarianoChair

   1:54:42And that would be part of it, but the rest of it. So I'm t taking away that part of it, how wide can

   Kevin Frazier

   1:54:47we make it for the rest of it on the back part? Again, that's I that that's a question I'm gonna have to ask my civil engineer. Because I don't want to give you a a response that I can't stand by a hundred percent. And I just candidly I don't know that answer right now. Okay. Is it you ready to share? That's not driving engineer. Okay.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:55:04I have an idea.

   Kevin Frazier

   1:55:05Good.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:55:06Because we have to do a connectivity and amenity plan. We can add language that We're feasible we can do or I can come up with language I know sometimes where feasible may not be um strong enough, but that we have to evaluate with staff a multi-use path as opposed to just sidewalks. Then we can actually be doing it in a real time. But because we have this extra step, I think we can do it there.

   Kevin Frazier

   1:55:29And I know that the minimum standard is spot feet. Right.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:55:32Yeah.

   Kevin Frazier

   1:55:33I was just informed.

   MarianoChair

   1:55:34Okay. Yeah, we'll look gonna go a little bit bigger. Yes.

   Starkey

   1:55:37We actually have a fair amount of um what was D O T right away there, so there may be More space than you think.

   Kevin Frazier

   1:55:44I think my biggest concern is the wetland because we can't

   MarianoChair

   1:55:47Yeah.

   1:55:51But as far as like as much width as we can get, uh it makes it better for people that if it does become more golf cart and just makes it better access for your customers anyway.

   Kevin Frazier

   1:56:00And again, I it's that that that's a designing question. I mean there's gonna be obviously a cost clearly associated with that that I'm gonna have to to to factor into everything else that I'm that I'm putting in stalling with respect to enhanced landscaping amenities, et cetera.

   MarianoChair

   1:56:15Okay. Well we'll see how it goes from there. Okay. Any other questions for the applicant?

   Starkey

   1:56:22Um just to our staff, when I look on our Pasco property appraisers uh map, it's still showing that Black Lake it oh hey Derrick. Uh it's still showing that Black Lake is F D O T property, so It should I don't think it should be showing that. I'm pretty sure we're going to

   Mike Carballa

   1:56:39property crazy website so we can

   Starkey

   1:56:41see it.

   Nectarios Pittos

   1:56:43For uh the Terry Pito's planning development for Pasco Mapper at least uh segments of Black L or Yeah, Black Lake Road are showing up as local residential now. So it could be in the process of updating.

   Starkey

   1:56:57All the way D O T.

   MarianoChair

   1:57:02And Barbara, one one more question I have.

   1:57:05When you're talking about the stormwater, That was going on. Yes, sir. Being connected to DOT. Yes, sir. W this would tie you into where you have to do the requirements of the basin of special concern?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:57:18No. The the fact that he has to do it to he to be able to outfall into F DOTs right away, he has to meet F DOT standards and he explained to you what those are. So and I asked Mr. Moody after Planning Commission, I said, do I need to add any language? 'Cause I can write. It's something I can do. And he said no. He said he was satisfied with the answer and he knew when the F D O T we had to follow F D O T standards and get a permit from them that we would be going through that higher standard.

   MarianoChair

   1:57:45Yeah.

   1:57:48Okay.

   1:57:51Uh so for everyone in the public who wants to come forward, please state your name and that you have been sworn. Uh grab a list. Name and address, I'm sorry. Name and address, and you haven't sworn. Anyone go by the list first?

   Stephen Olsett

   1:58:02We can.

   MarianoChair

   1:58:03Let me go by a list, sir, and then we'll get right to everybody that I'm s I have a hard time hearing. We're gonna get we're gonna list off the people that signed up and then we'll take everyone else after that.

   Starkey

   1:58:11I think he actually might be first. Um oh no. Uh Ben Mercadante. Okay.

   1:58:20Following um Mr. Mercadante it is uh Stern and Lori Summers.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:58:35Uh I have been sworn in in [address removed]. Um in your name, sir. Pardon? In your name? Ben Recognition. Thank you. Um But my concern still is to the traffic. I mean I I talked about the lakes Uh originally but Uh West Central Florida attracts people and their destinations are like Durban Springs, Safety Harbor, Dunedin. These are real hot spots.

   1:59:06And Our Chesapeake goes right down, hooks right into Glen Highway. Everybody has a phone these days and they get their little map thing out and it Was it the quickest way or people like back roads? Uh my issue is Um When we have a traffic problem on Chesapeake, what will be done about it? Because it's a small road and I'll tell you the the uh I believe the uh Speed limit now is thirty miles an hour. Uh in other parts of our

   1:59:36residential area it it goes down to twenty-five. And in other parts where there's like some blind curves and stuff, it gets down to twenty.

   Gerald Speer

   1:59:44But

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:59:45um I don't know how you're gonna keep all these people off of public road. Uh It's being used a lot now by people that are cutting through as other people have mentioned. And when you put that many people concentrated That closely to it. I mean I I I don't know how how anybody's gonna be able to guarantee that our neighborhood's not gonna get that kind of impact. And that is one of my larger concerns. And I don't really know

   2:00:15how anybody can address that. It's like well we'll build it and then we'll see what happens. That doesn't work out too good for us. But Um

   2:00:26I I'm not convinced that Even though they have the outlets to fifty four, I understand that. Uh people will be looking for these other destinations. I lived here my whole life. I grew up in Pinellas County. I know where people like to go and They they visit all these spots. We visit those spots, you know, my wife and I. So They're popular and uh How are we going to keep people off our road? That's all I have to say.

   Starkey

   2:00:58Stern and Lori Summers.

   2:01:04Following the summers I have Sharon uh Suckle.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:01:11Are we supposed to state our address again?

   Starkey

   2:01:13Yes, and you have to state your name, address, and whether or not you've been sworn in. You can do it one at a time, please. Um my name is Lori Summers. I live

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:01:19at [address removed], and I was sworn in.

   Stern Summers

   2:01:27Stern Summers, [address removed], and I've been sworn in also.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:01:32Thank you. Um, we just have a couple little concerns. I don't know if they could tell us they didn't know the parking ratio, but I'd be very interested to know the parking ratio and the number of parking spaces for all those buildings. Um and then we live directly across from this new drainage that fountain feature, which looks and sounds great, but if the water's flowing north. why is the water on the south side? Wouldn't it be better to be on the State Road fifty four side? So I'm really just concerned about that. We have lived there since what, two

   2:02:02thousand and one and Other than the streets flooding a little bit during the storms, we've had no issues and we have no flood insurance and now the map they posted on Thursday, I was here Thursday, there was concerns from some commissioners about that. That is totally swampy lamb now. All summer it's wet, you could it's like a sponge, you could walk in it and squish down. And they're gonna be putting in lots of dirt to build that up. that water is gonna somehow flow into that water feature, but I feel like it's gonna

   2:02:32overflow. Black Lake. I mean I just can't visually see how much they're putting on that and how much concrete parking they're having when I've lived there for twenty some years and see how wet it is. So I'm just really concerned about the water. You're building on a swampy land and adding lots and lots of parking spots. And I know there's gonna be progress, there's gonna be commercial on fifty four. I get that, but I just think it's way too much. on the Black Leg side. You know, with It's just too much. And then he

   2:03:03had one more question.

   Stern Summers

   2:03:06So they stated that they're gonna have the water flowing north from a pipe to the ditch on fifty four. That ditch goes around. And if you guys have been there That is all banked up like Daytona Speedway out there and that's the way they drive. But the ditch follows to the right. over to a retention area that's at the end of the cul-de-sac. When that overflows That flows right into Geneva Drive.

   2:03:32All that water is gonna flow to us. You can't tell me anything different. I've lived there for twenty years. And what flows around and it's also gonna flow around the ditch line. around Black Lake to us as well. That whole area over there was like a buffer for waterland, and I it's not enough. They're they're using up too much of the land and not leaving enough for water absorption. And it's all gonna affect us. I don't care what they say. I've seen it. I

   2:04:02know where that water flows and how it goes. No matter what they say. We live there. We know how it's gonna affect us and we know we've seen it. And how it goes. So

   Starkey

   2:04:14can I ask him a question? Uh you said you had um a gift shop there? Yes

   Stern Summers

   2:04:18we did.

   Starkey

   2:04:19So is your property zone commercial?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:04:21The b the Black Lake side? I don't think it is anymore, I'm not sure. I think it I I don't know, but that that's

   Stern Summers

   2:04:26we had it changed because actually we had three different addresses there because we had multi use at one time. And we add commercial. And wha what's your address? [address removed], but it's also [address removed] and [address removed].

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:04:42It was multi

   Stern Summers

   2:04:42use. So we're between both both roads.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:04:44But when they changed the State Road fifty four to Black Lake, we had we had to live there. Or we

   Stern Summers

   2:04:49were gonna

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:04:50lose our We

   Stern Summers

   2:04:50lost our business.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:04:51Yeah, so we we it's our home now and You took you didn't, but the D O T took our business away and a road away. Now they want to bring it back to make it a ha uh commercial high That's what killed Ronados. Yep, yeah, yeah. Well

   Stern Summers

   2:05:04that's exactly you know Ronado's and

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:05:05that's why

   Stern Summers

   2:05:05they

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:05:05went out of business.

   2:05:09So chan we we understand there's gonna be change. We understand that, but this is just way too much for that swampy of an area. That's all we have to say. Thank you.

   MarianoChair

   2:05:17Thank you.

   2:05:22Next question?

   Starkey

   2:05:25Um Sharon Suckle or Suk nope, she left. Okay. And then I have I think it's Laura Terry.

   Starkey

   2:05:35While this person's walking up, I just wanted to say um I checked and we did contact um that woman, Sh Sharon. Was that her name? And we uh sent her to Margaret and we also um We've had quite quite a bit of contact with her. We did respond.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:05:53La Rue Terry, [address removed]. I said mostly what I needed to say earlier. But Black Lake Road is a st uh state lake. It's not a county lake. Lakes that feed into each other and there's six lakes that feed into each other as long as a hundred acres or more is owned by the state and we're way over a hundred acres on all six lakes.

   Starkey

   2:06:20Ms. Terry, I'm sorry, I'm uh I missed it. Did you say that you were sworn in? Did you say that you were sworn in for the record?

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:06:27I can't hear you.

   Starkey

   2:06:29Did you state that you were sworn in on the record? I didn't. Okay. So yes. Thank you. Thank you. That's all that I have that's signed up.

   MarianoChair

   2:06:38Okay. Anyone who's not signed up, you wanna start mining up maybe three at a time?

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   2:06:45Irani Coolanos, [address removed]. So I just have a question. Have you been sworn? Yes, I have. Okay, thank you. Thank you for addressing some of our concerns. I appreciate that. So j just to make sure though, Waterloo is not going to be rezoned for flooding, correct? No. Not touched. Excellent. And then while that project's going on, please, if we could do something about the sidewalk on Chesapeake. Work

   Starkey

   2:07:14on that. I'll put it on the list at our next MPO meeting.

   Stephen Olsett

   2:07:21How y'all do?

   Starkey

   2:07:22Hello.

   Stephen Olsett

   2:07:22My name is Stephen Olsett. I live in [address removed]. And

   Starkey

   2:07:27sir, you've been sworn. Yes.

   Stephen Olsett

   2:07:29I saw you stand up. Yeah,

   Starkey

   2:07:30for the record, thank you. I have been sworn in.

   Stephen Olsett

   2:07:32Yes, ma'am. Um okay, so you want to build a hotel. Is has there been any talk about how tall this building's gonna be?

   2:07:42Does anybody know how tall the building's gonna be?

   2:07:49Is there a limit? What would be allowable? Yeah.

   Mike Carballa

   2:07:54Oh I'm sorry, you don't comment on Go ahead and finish your comments around I should have done that.

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:07:58Well, this is in the urban service area of the South Market area, so height restrictions for non-residential structures have been uh modified that to they're allowed to increase above What zoning would regulate. We need a number.

   Bradford

   2:08:14Yeah, give me a number on that.

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:08:18I'm not sure that the I haven't seen any plans to be able to tell you what the vertical height is gonna be right now. I'm just telling you what the noise is.

   MarianoChair

   2:08:24Is there a height restriction?

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:08:26no. Not for

   MarianoChair

   2:08:29the right-of-way.

   2:08:32Uh Brippin, go ahead.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:08:35All right, red tip and planning development. Yes, there the there's no height restriction on it. However, they do have to design as they go beyond a certain point, they have to extend setbacks from certain areas. So there are some things that will restrict heights in certain areas. Okay. Uh but there's no technical height restriction.

   Unidentified speakerVoice J

   2:08:52Thank

   Stephen Olsett

   2:08:52you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:08:54Okay.

   Stephen Olsett

   2:08:55Um so if they build a high rise hotel and they get a waterfront view of the lake that I'm on, do I get a hotel view? From my backyard? I mean, 'cause that's that's a serious concern I got. Um how about the sound, the noise? Every year Fifty four gets louder and louder and louder. It's absolutely roaring now. I can smell diesel when the wind blows a certain direction. I'm smelling the fumes from all the dump trucks. I mean, w when is it gonna slow down? You

   2:09:26know When is it going to slow down? Can can you restrict a little bit about what you're building? Out here, okay? It's car wash, gas station, grocery store, fast food. Car wash, gas station, grocery store, fast food. And these 15-minute cities that you're building. Okay. It it's like a dystopian nightmare to me. When I see these places. Okay. Um I'm not prepared for this. Nobody knows that this is going on right now. Okay, there'd be a lot more people here if

   2:09:56there was some signage up. Okay, I don't care if uh they met the requirement and there's a little sign that's this tall on 54 that nobody could see or read as they drive by at 75 miles an hour. Okay. Nobody in our community knows what this is fixing to change into. And it seems like there's not a real plan either. It seems like it's kinda like, Well, let's just approve it and then we'll see what it'll be. You talked about the the big yellow square next to the little yellow square. Does anybody know what it's gonna be? Do you know? I do. What is the yellow

   2:10:26what is the big yellow square? So we're gonna get a furniture store and two restaurants. Okay. Uh you haven't added anything of value to the community for us. Okay. It's r rinse and repeat all the way up and down fifty four. It doesn't matter where you go. There's nothing social to do. There's there's maybe what, the s the Starkey market

   2:10:50Th there there's nothing good to do. There's one road and it goes up and down it's just fifty four. That's it. All this traffic, it's getting It takes so long now to get to seventy five. That it's not even a viable option for people anymore. Nobody wants to even drive that. It's it's just so they're now they're taking Chesapeake too. And uh if you've seen the traffic on Lutz Lake Fernandes. I mean I grew up there. Okay, it used to take ten minutes to drive down and now it takes forty-five

   2:11:20minutes sometimes. And those people are cutting through Chesapeake to get to fifty four 'cause they don't want to go the long way around and it's gonna get a lot worse.

   Barry Jackson

   2:11:41Hi, Commissioner's uh Barry Jackson again. I've been sworn in. Um so your when you flashed it up, you said that it could be approved with conditions. So my request, we have a an official organization, and he's as Commissioner Oakley confirmed with him that he's done all the necessary steps he can do now to confirm that everything he's gonna do is gonna go forward. So I don't think my request is unreasonable to say, look, I can use data. I'm not gonna make an unrealistic request out of the blue. We can show if this

   2:12:11negatively affects, right? Because we take quarterly samples of our waterways, right? We have all of that data, we have it going back several years. If we can show that this is affecting us South, right, using data. They've got 135,000 square feet going in. They have con they have cam uh common area maintenance charges that are gonna go in. Can we put something into verbiage with approval in some way that some of those funds can be allocated if there's an increase? Hopefully he never hears from us, right? But could we not ask

   2:12:41for that to say, look, if we can show this, right? We're not gonna make something up. Um we can show that this is effective. us in a way that needs to be managed, right? And if we can do something along those lines, that would be my my my continued request. Hey can we add something in? They've got 135,000 square feet I'm not talking about a lot of money, man. We're not we're never gonna spend more than twenty thousand dollars in a year, I would hope, unless this thing is really bad. So that would be a condition that I would try to

   2:13:11request, you know. Obviously as I as I stated before and I think you you confirmed This might be the lesser of two evils. If you could put a hundred homes there, we know, I know, because I've seen the data how that's been affecting our waterways and what all of that does because you have to manage all of those yards and and stuff and that's been the negative. But if we could potentially we have an organization and we have data. add into those conditions in some way. Right.

   2:13:40Good.

   Starkey

   2:13:41Are you on septic or sewer?

   Barry Jackson

   2:13:43Septic.

   Starkey

   2:13:44Yeah. That's a problem.

   Barry Jackson

   2:13:47Yeah. We're all we we all are and many of us have the old systems that have been grandfathered in. So

   Starkey

   2:13:54I I'm not sure you can put the quality of the the the responsibility of the water quality of your lake. On a community that's on septic. They're gonna be on sewer, I would guess. Yes, they're gonna be on sewer. And frankly, uh we here in Tallahassee that anyone near a water body is gonna have to get on sewer. Um I'm not sure when they're gonna r make that happen, but that's coming.

   Barry Jackson

   2:14:21Okay and to clean

   Starkey

   2:14:22up the l to clean up the water. So

   Barry Jackson

   2:14:25and so my and so I I get that. So and if that was the case and obviously the county's gonna take on the expense and and extend those utilities to us. My concern is the waterways, right? The use of our waterways. We've had a problem in aquatic. The the problem I'm referencing is being able to even use and walk into our lakes. We were not able to do that without spending this money. And we can show Mm. where an invasive species is taken over and and and with data I can show if it if it exasperates beyond the level that we're tracking currently, would be

   2:14:55we be able to officially make some type of a claim to that. So we're not bearing the cost of something that's happening external is all I'm saying.

   Starkey

   2:15:02You know, my my in laws lived on Point Anne.

   Barry Jackson

   2:15:04Yeah.

   Starkey

   2:15:04Lake Ann?

   Barry Jackson

   2:15:05We were getting point out.

   Starkey

   2:15:07And uh those are private lakes and they had to pay to have that is it hydrilla?

   Barry Jackson

   2:15:12Yep.

   Starkey

   2:15:12They they

   Barry Jackson

   2:15:13I helped them out I helped navigate them with that process. I made the interesting thing. So

   Starkey

   2:15:16they so those lake owners on the private lakes pay for the hydrilla removal. Yeah.

   Barry Jackson

   2:15:21And it's only getting it's in in the biological.

   Starkey

   2:15:24I think I think the septic is not a good thing for your lake. All right, let's let's get it.

   Barry Jackson

   2:15:29Okay. Well we can show data that shows where we are now and I'm just referencing if we see an increase, right? I'm not saying that what we're doing is good good, better, or indifferent. I'm saying if we see a s a marginal or a significant increase, can we make some type of a claim Two, they have 135,000 square feet. They're gonna have common area maintenance charges. Can we make a claim that it's not gonna be great?

   Starkey

   2:15:48Probably not. They're gonna be on sewer.

   Barry Jackson

   2:15:50We'll we'll discuss at the end.

   MarianoChair

   2:15:51Yeah. Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice J

   2:15:53Thank

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   2:16:03Uh core cats have been sworn in [address removed]. I just want to bring up the point of the noticing again. There's probably 95% or more of the community has no idea this is going on. Um if there was a sign placed. I'm front fifty four where there's no stoplights, people driving by. is not the place to put it. at the two corners where all of us are turning on to 54, right where they have the for sale signs and four leasing signs, highly visible spots. But instead they put the noticing sign where we can't see it. Postponement seems to make sense when 95% of the community at least has no idea what's

   2:16:33going on. Just thinks it's appropriate that common sense would be put the stop the noticing signs at the stoplights where we're stopped looking instead of driving by seven miles an hour. So again, ninety five percent of the community has no idea this is happening. Thank you.

   OakleyVice Chair

   2:16:47They did what was required of them.

   MarianoChair

   2:16:51Any of the public want to speak to this item?

   2:16:56Okay. Anyone on WebEx?

   Starkey

   2:16:58I have no one on WebEx for this

   MarianoChair

   2:16:59item. All All right. So we're going to close public comment.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:17:03Barbara Wilhite for the applicant. The only new thing I think was the question about are we on um septic or on sewer. We will be on central water and central sewer. Those um facilities are already at you know, at this location. Um so and No, we can't add something relative to their lakes in our project. We were designed to all the requirements. There's water quality as well as water quantity um and um I mean I know the county's looking at areas for septic and

   2:17:33the state is too, trying to get people off septic. That is a an issue and that's gonna continue to be an issue for the county. Um that's why we always I mean, don't put more people on septic. Um we're not putting any are we not on septic, we're on central water and sewer and we have to spend the money to be on central water and sewer. I have my team here if you had any questions if it was more questions that we hadn't already answered. Answer any questions you might have.

   MarianoChair

   2:18:00I have a question. Um On the parking. You need the number of spots you get. Can you make m some of those spots on the outside border pervious?

   Kevin Frazier

   2:18:15Sorry, Mr. Chairman Mariano I heard the question. So you're asking if I can make any of those parking spots pervious spots. Um that's a county I I'd have to reference the code. I don't know the answer to that.

   MarianoChair

   2:18:27Um I know you can. Would you is more of the question?

   Kevin Frazier

   2:18:31Oh no, I'm I'm not opposed to doing that. Okay. Um I just again I don't know the number. I know that usually in my experience there's a minimum number that you can actually make as pervious for it to count towards your pervious impervious ratios. And I would just have to reference the code. I don't know the ordinance by well enough to be able to state it by memory to you right now. But no, I would not be opposed to doing that. Okay. Thank you.

   2:18:57Any other

   MarianoChair

   2:18:58Uh any of the questions for the applicant? Well

   Starkey

   2:19:00uh Brad's coming up to answer that question.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:19:06So yeah, Brad Tippett Planning Development. Uh generally when we have a project that's coming in putting in more parking spaces than our code requirement, we require those uh pervious spaces to. be anything over a hundred percent or over a hundred and ten percent I believe anything beyond that would need that. We don't have any requirement at all for anything below that, so you could actually request a percentage of the parking that they're going to have to be that in a location if you want it along the lake or wherever you want. You can certainly do that as part of this process.

   MarianoChair

   2:19:34So what would you recommend? With all what you've heard, what you what would you recommend we ask the applicant for?

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:19:40Hmm.

   2:19:42So uh

   2:19:45I think that I think that we can well here here's here's the situation. We're we're kind of again down a rabbit hole. This is a site plan issue. Right. We don't know exactly the square footage of these buildings, so we don't know the number of parking spaces yet, technically. Um Um once we see that we can consider, you know, where it's right to do it, where it works, where it needs to happen, and we can absolut absolutely take this direction and and and put some in, you know, and I think they've said that they'd be willing to work with us on that.

   MarianoChair

   2:20:13And the no norm is over a hundred ten percent. That's when you're making it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:20:16Right. And I believe we're setting this up with this project to try and decrease the parking so we're using shared parking and some other things. So they're not gonna be over that hundred percent. So We we wouldn't impose something. Um but we can certainly work with them to to create as much of that as as we can that that makes sense once we get to

   MarianoChair

   2:20:32the engineering

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:20:32station.

   MarianoChair

   2:20:36The ones on the outside borders closer to the lake.

   Kevin Frazier

   2:20:39Yes, again uh uh as um as uh Ms. Wilhite uh referenced. So we're designing it to reduce it to the point where it's functional as far as the parking's concerned

   OakleyVice Chair

   2:20:49basically that is a restriction or You're gonna make that as part of a restriction or conditions.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:21:02But we can certainly my client has put on the record that he's interested in doing it. Brad's put on the record they're interested in doing it. Everybody's under oath here.

   OakleyVice Chair

   2:21:10I can't be good at anything you do in particular this spot the way it is, so So Yeah.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:21:16Again we have to go through a plan an extra planning effort with staff. Um Because we have to do the amenity and the connectivity plan so that element can be looked at as well.

   OakleyVice Chair

   2:21:26Okay.

   Starkey

   2:21:31So I I'm not sure what the procedure could be if we if we're you know because we took this after

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:21:37You need to you need to go back to the comprehensive comprehensive plan and make a motion for that. But I want to go down and then go on to the zoning. Are we through asking questions

   MarianoChair

   2:21:47on

   2:21:47the item? Um

   Starkey

   2:21:50and well I just will make this comment that remember that this was on the north side of fifty four. This was part of the um Banke Ranch that um which is why it's res three. and should have been changed the minute it should have been changed when that road came through. Um no one's gonna put houses there. Um To mi not having storage. You know, we can't we can't control the car wash situation, but

   2:22:20I'm glad they did. Um S say they're not putting one in I I don't understand how that Model is good every five hundred feet, but Um This is to me, this is exactly what we want um to see and I have asked them. to massage that just like that gentleman said there's no good places to go hang out. We have a few coming. To me, this is one of them. We got the um escape breweries building a pretty cool place over on Trinity. And we'll s we'll see a few

   2:22:50more down fifty four, but To me this is a really good use for this piece of property and most of the traffic is gonna be on fifty four. N m the vast, vast majority of it's gonna be on fifty four. So

   MarianoChair

   2:23:04And I'll and I'll say uh you know you you look at what could come.

   Starkey

   2:23:07Yeah.

   MarianoChair

   2:23:09You would have tons of traffic. It would I would think would ruin the property. Up and down. You'd you'd clog up your intersections. Uh at least this here is a pa is a positive step. Um the hotel down the street I think there's like ninety seven percent occupancy, so I think there's a definitely a market for it.

   Starkey

   2:23:25Yeah.

   MarianoChair

   2:23:25Um The Uh the the the opportunity here compared to what you could get could be a lot worse. I will tell you, uh in my committee reports I'm gonna be talking about the uh the fact of the signage. Um we need to change that. Uh there's just no excuse for it to go and maybe we even need to increase the boundary from five hundred feet to a thousand as well. Uh something like this, frankly, uh, I think that's a good thing Could have been warranted a town hall meeting, so that may be part of what we talk about for a future as well. People need to get noticed to what's going

   2:23:55on. Um

   OakleyVice Chair

   2:23:58Any other comments

   MarianoChair

   2:23:59from the board?

   OakleyVice Chair

   2:23:59I wouldn't mind seeing this on the east side of Pasco County. So No.

   Starkey

   2:24:03Yeah, no, it's a it's it's uh

   OakleyVice Chair

   2:24:05We don't have anything like this, I can tell you.

   Starkey

   2:24:07Yeah. It's much better than Kentucky fried chicken drive thru and a car wash.

   OakleyVice Chair

   2:24:13So uh Commissioner Starkey, it's your district?

   Starkey

   2:24:15Uh

   Starkey

   2:24:16Mr. Chairman

   MarianoChair

   2:24:18here. Um Um Amy Heiler? You submitted a rise. Uh P forty five but did not note it in the revision. Can you state the revision?

   Amy Heiler

   2:24:29I'm sorry, can you repeat your question?

   MarianoChair

   2:24:31Yes, you you there was a revision that you had sent us?

   Amy Heiler

   2:24:33Oh yes. Um the revision on there is just removing the language from finding a fact number six that says passive recreational uses shall be um located surrounding the wetland, being trails and whatnot. It is

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:24:48a

   Amy Heiler

   2:24:48it is a

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:24:49strike through. On the on the document that was handed out.

   Amy Heiler

   2:24:52Correct. And I provided the clean copy

   Starkey

   2:24:55to the clerk's office as well.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:24:56Okay. Thank you.

   Starkey

   2:24:58And uh and so I did wanna want you to notice that the hotel Um because the gentleman was mentioning that. Um the hotel overlooks the wetland to the south. And that C two use that frankly staff I'm not sure that's allowed on the corner. uh Chesapeake and Black Lake Road. Um And the area at Black Lake and State Road 54 to the left. That was uh where we worked,

   2:25:28we frankly sued them to get that wet concrete. um mixed guy out of there because they were coding all the residents with concrete dust and it was very dangerous for the community. And um We're looking at that property and continuing to um make sure the uses that are happening in that part of the um former Banke property. Is um Our legal uses, so I hope you'll see that getting

   2:25:59cleaned up for you because I know you're driving by that, and frankly, we all think it's a mess. And it doesn't represent our community well to have that. those properties looking like they do. Um So I think this property's gonna also enhance your property values and it'll be a good asset to the community. So I would uh move approval of is it forty-five, forty-six, forty-four and forty four, forty-four. We gotta do one at a time. Yeah, so for the four.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:26:28So you're you're approving the comprehensive plan amendment. Um

   2:26:36Number forty four for this project. Yes. Second.

   MarianoChair

   2:26:40Okay. Any further discussion? Roll call vote.

   Starkey

   2:26:44District One, Commissioner Oakley.

   MarianoChair

   2:26:46Aye.

   Starkey

   2:26:46District two, Commissioner Weightman.

   MarianoChair

   2:26:49Bye.

   Starkey

   2:26:50District 3, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District 4, Commissioner Bradford.

   Unidentified speaker

   2:26:54Aye.

   Starkey

   2:26:54District 5, Chairman Mariano.

   Unidentified speaker

   2:26:56Aye.

   Starkey

   2:26:58I um on to P forty?

   2:27:02No?

   MarianoChair

   2:27:02Okay.

   Starkey

   2:27:03I was just gonna move

   MarianoChair

   2:27:04to

   Starkey

   2:27:07P forty five. Yeah. I just was trying to rem gonna ask you the number. Uh um I would make a motion to approve P45 with the conditions um listed here today.

   MarianoChair

   2:27:18Second. And roll call vote.

   Starkey

   2:27:22District one, Commissioner Oakley.

   MarianoChair

   2:27:23Aye.

   Starkey

   2:27:24District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District 4, Commissioner Bradford. Aye. District 5, Chairman Mariano.

   MarianoChair

   2:27:34Aye.

   Starkey

   2:27:35And

   MarianoChair

   2:27:36we will fix that

   Starkey

   2:27:37signage problem

   Starkey

   2:27:38because I think that's a problem.

   MarianoChair

   2:27:39And we work on the road on Trail in South Chesapeake too.

   Starkey

   2:27:42Yeah, and we'll work on Chesapeake.

   MarianoChair

   2:27:43Yeah. Okay.

   Starkey

   2:27:47Okay.

   Starkey

   2:27:50Could we that one?

   MarianoChair

   2:27:51Yeah, pointy section.