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1. 1Oct 25, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP93Public hearingApproved

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   Approved Staff’s recommendation including the addition of a sentence to the DA that within six months of this approval or prior to the first preliminary site plan approval that they would enter into a DA amendment that addresses the requirement for sidewalks and/or multiuse paths within the red and blue areas shown on the graphic.

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   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   26:41in favor? Aye.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   26:44P ninety three. Item P ninety three was published in the Tampay Times on September eleventh, twenty twenty two. And by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   26:58Did you all want a presentation for this Renner DA?

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   27:01Yes. Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   27:03Good thing I prepared one.

   27:09All right, we have the Renner MPD DA, PDD 230565. Here's a location map. It is just south of an abutting Wisteria Loop. The purpose of this DA is to provide for the design, right-of-way dedication, and construction of Bexley Road Wisteria Loop realignment improvements, and to allow the developer to receive reimbursements in the form of mobility fee credits for 100% of the actual reasonable eligible amount spent by the developer for

   27:39the Bexley Road Wisteria Loop realignment improvements. The Renner MPUD was approved by the board on January twenty-fifth, twenty twenty two. The primary access will be on Bexley Road with Steria Loop. When the runner MPUD went to the board, the board was very clear that the new alignment of Bexley Road with Serial Loop must be established through this runner DA. Therefore, the BCC, per the BCC directive, the DA establishes the new alignment of Bexley Road with Steria Loop, including

   28:10the specific improvements to tie into the existing roadway. And here is one of the exhibits submitted with the DA. Shows the different roadway segments. Another exhibit shows their w right of way cross section. The LPA heard the item at the September 22nd, 2022 PC hearing and voted to recommend approval to the board. And the proposed DA is consistent with the applicable portions of the comprehensive plan and the applicable conditions of the

   28:40MPUD. With that, the PDD and the LPA recommend approval.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   28:46Okay, well I know that we're gonna have questions about the s sidewalk, but we do have um d if anyone doesn't have any other questions, I think we should hear from the public first and then bring it back to us. I did go out and walk this with the engineers, the landowners and others uh in that area. Um developers, engineers, so normally

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   29:09normally you would hear from the applicant and then the public.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   29:12Oh yeah, the applicant is welcome to speak. Then we'll hear from the public.

   What

   29:17Shelley Johnson, 6400 Madison Street, and I have been sworn. Um yeah, we were approved in January on this MPUD. We've spent the last year since September working through this DA agreement pursuant to the um Approval and a pursuant to the direction of the board. I submitted I think in September. So it's almost a year to a little bit over a year to date that we submitted. We've worked with um the County Attorney's Office. I think we're in agreement on terms with the uh the actual DA agreement. And then we've also worked with the county coordinating with the design that's attached to this as exhibits

   29:47A, B, C, and D, as well as the applicants, the residents in the area, Mr. Couch and Mr. Gadd. I think as Chairman, as you mentioned, we we actually met out at the site. My client did and the engineers did with Mr. Couch and Mr. Gadd to discuss their concerns with regards to design. We actually went back and did a redesign after that meeting. which is exhibit D to the agreement. And so here we are. Um we went to the Planning Commission in September, as Tammy stated. And at that Planning Commission, for the first time, to my knowledge, and I think to my

   30:17clients' knowledge, we were asked to look at a different design after a year of this and put in place of a bike path a sidewalk. So obviously on the spot we couldn't agree to that. We told the Planning Commission we would go back and look at it, which KB Homes and their engineers have done. I know staff was privy to a lot of the emails going back and forth in terms of some of the engineering semantics that were gonna go into it. Um ultimately it can be done. I think we all agree with that. Can it be done today? No, and that's the problem. We're

   30:48gonna need time to do to do the engineering. We're gonna need time to look at what's going on. There's um right-of-way that's gonna need to be acquired because I don't know if anybody realizes it, but what the request is is not just to do a sidewalk replacement of the bike path of the existing design, but it's asking us to add a whole nother segment to The sidewalk design, which is the part portion from Arden Loop out the US 41. So right now where we're at, and and of course there's gonna be issues with that with right-of-way, there's gonna be issues um with cost. I mean, we uh I my understanding is

   31:18that that there's some entertainment that the county will go ahead and agree to pay for this because my client cannot agree to traffic impact fee credits at this point, um, and we've discussed that um with with the county. I mean, it's just not something that they can do. because they don't have anywhere to utilize that stuff right now. Um, you know, there's just there's no with the market and the housing industry, there's no there's nowhere for them to to entertain even using it. So and they're gonna have a lot of impact fee credits left over right now just from this particular the the original improvement that we agreed to and discussed during the MPD process. So Um I have had conversations with

   31:48David. I've had conversations obviously with my client. We can agree to come back in six months, 12 months, whatever the period is that everyone's comfortable with, and do an amendment to the existing DA that would be approved today. Um and to address some of the redesign concerns that um Mr. Couch had raised in regards to doing a sidewalk in place of a bike path. Well I that's a

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   32:07that's the first time I'm heard hearing of that. I I do wanna I do wanna under you to go more in depth about wh why we would be taking out a bike tri Oh, you're talking about on the road? Yeah, on the road. Okay, yeah. Um back

   What

   32:21lane.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   32:22Yeah, which I don't think we're gonna do.

   What

   32:24Okay.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   32:24Um, but I definitely want the bite the Fight The multi use path to stay. So I need to understand today what's going on so I can vote on it. And I have talked with Karbala And um with some of our staff And I don't think it should all be on the developer, but I want to have a plan. And I wanna I need to know what the plan is today that we're gonna connect all that up.

   What

   32:49Okay. So I mean we're here you can tell we're here just to try to we're trying to do the best we can. I mean we've been put in a really bad position again because we had this all worked out. We were on consent agenda when we went to Planning Commission. So we thought everyone was in agreement. So we were completely caught off guard by this. And for us, this DA it needs we need to get it approved today. I mean this is this is D. I mean, we have to get this done. We've been a year in process just on this, and we were over a year in process on the MPD. So Um we're willing to continue to look at it and work at whatever you know y'all

   33:19want us to look at and work at and try to address concerns, but um our main goal right now today is to get our our development agreement approved, but we're here to answer any questions.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   33:27Yeah, so I see Brad coming up and some of the challenge here is we I think we have a um We have a rural road section. Clo connecting into an urban road section and some other challenges. So someone tell us how that's gonna work out.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   33:43Yeah, there there's gonna be a little bit of complicated engineering that goes on to this. Like they said, it is able to be done. There's an engineering solution for everything. Uh some of that does come at a cost, however. Uh but I just want to clarify one thing is that the information on the sidewalks and the exchange of taking the bike lanes out for the sidewalks was something that was recommended by one of the citizens. The county does not agree to removing the bike lanes at this time. So we'll move forward with that, trying to add the sidewalks in with whatever needs to happen to to make that occur.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   34:13Well um I wanna be sure we're talking about because there's a multi-use path coming down one of these sides. So I want to make sure we're talking about we're talking about the multi-use path. I don't care so much about the sidebock, but I care about the multi-use path. So just wanna uh and I and I get that maybe there may be an area where we get constrained where we have to squeeze in for a little bit.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   34:37Right.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   34:37But um I can't really tell what's going on with that with what I have in front of me, so Someone's not going to be able to do And I think others have questions too. And we do have the public that will be saying something too, so Hope.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   34:51Yeah, J Hunting uh 3030, Starkey Boulevard, Newport Ritchie. I'm with Florida Land Design and Permitting. Just to clarify.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   34:59And sir, you've been sworn. You've been sworn, right? Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   35:03Yes, I've been sworn. Um just to clarify, as I understand the uh request or the proposal from Mr. Couch. It is that They would uh Typical cross section of Division Road. be revised to eliminate Bike lane. In order to provide Sidewalk.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   35:30Sidewalk or tr or path?

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   35:34The typical cross section has a five foot sidewalk on one side and a twelve foot multi-use path on the other side. Yeah, that you and I met in the field and we discussed this. And I think the the proposal that uh we just got yesterday was to uh Substitute Side eliminate bike lane and substitute sidewalk for the multi-use path. Okay. We've we've talked to staff about this. Uh we know staff does not support that

   36:04that uh That idea. Um there is a there's a number of as Shelley said, there's a number of obstacles um to providing the additional sidewalks along the area of Bexley and Wisteria that's that's not being affected by the Vision Road. And that again has to do with right-of-way, potential wetland impacts, engineering drainage issues, which we have not worked out

   36:34yet. So I I hope that clarifies at least somewhat. What uh and and I believe that the the proposal for the For the additional sidewalks was something that was suggested by Mr. Couch. So if I'm misrepresenting what his proposal is, I'm sure he's here to speak on it. He can he can correct me and then we'll

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   36:56I wish I had some more diagrams to understand and this is kind of complex, but Uh and and Jerry may ha may have some I see, but I don't think I don't think there was ever a thought that we shouldn't have Th I mean the multi use trail continue or a sidewalk continues. So Whether it's your responsibility or not. Uh you know, I I'm sure all of it isn't And I understand that we Um and I want to get it it's gotta get all the way to 41. And that that

   37:27comes through some property owned by the county. You you know, we have that site where we f we have the commercial kitchen and we feed some of our elderly folks on Wisteria Loop. And then there's a commercial piece on the corner. Um and I just I just need to feel comfortable that my staff that we are committing that it's gonna get to forty one. So Um

   37:52Both of 'em. Well I I don't care so much about Sidewalk as I do the multi use. That's Alan. And I Does any do you have any maps or anything, Brad? Or does anyone to show where we're talking about so my fellow commissioners can see what's going on.

   Mike Carballa

   38:11There's section A P C

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   38:15Yeah, we we we received this yesterday as well uh from the citizen

   Sally Sherman

   38:22and then this is

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   38:32I guess maybe it's no show

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   38:35can they show the aerial map?

   Mike Moore

   38:39Yes. Do you have that? it?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   38:43And

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   38:48There you go. Sorry there.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   38:50Did you want to do that?

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   39:00See it ends before it g goes further.

   39:05See.

   39:12Oh, okay. See if that works. Okay, so the transition from the proposed vision road to uh down to Wisteria is in that location and it it we're we're doing we're doing substandard road improvements on on uh Bexley Westeria itself. Okay. And then I think where we're talking about is the transition between

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   39:42The pink and the green.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   39:47Yeah. Oh this okay, this is the map that

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   39:52And um board members, the green They let out the the it was approved with a sidewalk even though we had a A plan for a multi-use trail to be on that. So it's kinda frustrating. It's kinda That was a mistake. I think.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   40:08Yeah, I think we're I I think we're Mr. Couch. Yeah. Sidewalk. on existing wisteria And this is not working right now.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   40:25See, uh my map stops before it gets to that piece. So

   Mike Moore

   40:29Madam

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   40:29Clerk I'm sorry, it's between where our vision rows are. And where the sidewalk begins at the Alden Subdivision. So the area in pink. Is where is where uh Mr. Couch is suggesting that we do sidewalk. And then but from the from the north side

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   40:53Uh wait and and what a sidewalk on which side of the street?

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   40:57On the north side of the street.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   40:58So it it'll transition from a twelve foot wide trail to a sidewalk right there?

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   41:02I believe so.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   41:03Why why? When we own uh we're getting all that property to the north. Or to the east. Why would we why would we go from twelve foot to five there?

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   41:14I'm sorry I can't answer that because we we Yeah, we're

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   41:16Because they're that all that land was donated to us from the Clark MPD. That big crescent?

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   41:23So this was a a request by uh one of the citizens. This is not something that the county was in agreement with. Um but we brought it here for it so it could be discussed. So Madam Chairman Mariano.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   41:39If the the if the team is done with their presentation as the applicant Let's hear from Mr. Couch during public comment and whoever else might be out there and we can get to the bottom of it.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   41:54Okay. Um so we will now take public comment. I think we have at least one person who has signed up.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   42:00Yes,

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   42:00Mr. Couch is the only one that I have signed up. And I did speak to Mr. Gadd about this last night. He couldn't be here today, so

   project engineer

   42:08Jeremy Couch, [address removed]. Can I have a little bit of extra time because I need

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   42:13to have Gat's time.

   project engineer

   42:19So, you know, I I don't want to be here today, but this is my neighborhood. Yep. And I live out here. And I just don't wanna get this all foobarred up the way that it looks in the DA. I mean God bless 'em, but So if you can pull up this map right here. Really you have Three segments, four segments. One of them isn't colored. So there's a segment of road from forty one To the edge of Arden Preserve. which was built with Art and

   42:49Preserve. It was done substandard road improvement. So They made the pavement nice. They put a sidewalk in front of Arden Preserve. Looks good.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   42:57Yeah.

   project engineer

   42:58The second segment is the pink segment in front of my house where essentially the proposal is just To widen the pavement. No trail, no sidewalk, nothing. That's in the section. Um If somebody turns the Elmo on I can show you what that looks like.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   43:15Do we have an Elmo? Yes, you do.

   project engineer

   43:18And so it's it's just a rural section, just eleven foot lanes. Then then you're gonna get into this is the vision road that the county's by is just the yellow segment. So for just the yellow segment We're going to have the typical section and bless the staff. They're doing what they're supposed to do. They do what you tell them. But they're just gonna have the yelp they're just gonna have the path and the sidewalk in just the yellow segment.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   43:44Not in the blue?

   project engineer

   43:45Not in the blue. So then you're gonna have another gap. You see where that little uh blue that goes like this is, the little upside down U. We're just gonna have regular pavement widening there. We're not gonna have a sidewalk, we're not gonna have a trail. Then when you get in front of the actual renter property, you're gonna have a sidewalk. So ultimately You know, my heartburn is is when you're done. This is what you're gonna have. So the corner is being built. It's

   44:15site plan 22-003. It's a self-storage. They're going to build the sidewalk on the hard corner. They're not going to build the sidewalk in front of the elderly center. Art and preserve is Bill. Then you have a gap in front of my place, which there will not be anything. Then you're gonna have this little loop-de-loop where you're gonna have something. Then again you're gonna have nothing. And then you're gonna have something. This is what it looks like. This is what we're proposing. And I just it puts me in a bad situation to be here. No,

   44:45it's this is my client. It's they g they're not my client anymore, obviously.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   44:51No listen, I I'm I'm embarrassed. If that's what's in front of us, I am like embarrassed. And I I will tell you that I have I have asked for us to have a trailsperson who over who is over all the trails. over the MPO trails, over the parks trails and over These kind of trails. And this is why we need that kind of person. Because someone's gotta look at the whole picture. And I I'm just I am astounded that that w that this is coming

   45:21to us like this. I don't

   project engineer

   45:23and and

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   45:23so

   project engineer

   45:24the the second part of this

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   45:25worse than I thought.

   project engineer

   45:26It's bad. And so the second part of the story is what they were saying, what I suggest is I understand there's only so much money in their mobility fees. And I don't want to get in the way of their project and their progress, and I would like to see the road fixed, because the road is a mess. And for the most part, the widening that they're doing and the overlay that they're gonna do is gonna be a huge benefit to everybody. But it is gonna be really goofy to have this rural section And then we hit curb and gutter for it's only a thousand feet. We're gonna have like this curb and gutter bike

   45:56lane situation. And then we're back to rural. So what I was suggesting was look, it's nobody's gonna come along east of the yellow and curb and gutter it and build trails. It's not gonna happen. You have to condemn everybody's property. There's no right away on the south side. It just it would never happen. Same with the West. of their there may be Clark is on the north side of them, but there's a bunch of small lots on the west. So you probably have to condemn that too. So You know, with the money that's there. doing a minimum

   46:26eleven foot lanes, and tying the sidewalk in, Whether that sidewalk is five foot or twelve foot, However we can fill in the gaps. That's the best situation.

   46:37And I see these people every day. Here's what they do. They come out of Arden Preserve. And they have a sidewalk in front of Arden Preserve, but these folks, they're not inmates. They don't want to be stuck in their neighborhood. Arden Preserved Sidewalk goes nowhere. And they don't walk on it because they gotta cross a giant ditch to get out to the road. So they come out and they go straight to the road and they walk down the road 'cause it's nice.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   47:00I saw I saw I saw the mom with the stroller.

   project engineer

   47:04They the cross country team trains out there. Right. People walk with strollers. I mean a sidewalk of some sort. connecting all the way to forty one where we do have the trail. which will hook into fifty two and ridge and It goes into Connerton. Like that network is there. It's just getting from Renner It's a forty one. And it's a lot cheaper to build that than pavement.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   47:26Let me ask our staff a question and maybe I jumped the gun. Um, what is the trail plan out here?

   47:38Yeah, see that's the you see why I'm asking for that person, Mike? I'm sorry.

   Mike Carballa

   47:46I mean I will say that this is part of a vision road network. Yeah. And along that vision road, as you can see from the section, there is in that section contemplation for a 12-foot trail and a five-foot sidewalk. I think what you have here is the the way that development is occurring. Yes, it's a bit uh it it may appear to be a bit patchwork, uh, you know, as as Mr. Calvin. You know, points out. However, at some point it is the county's vision to connect. I will tell you on the other end of this particular segment of road in Bexley. It looks exactly like

   48:16that eighty foot segment. So if it is the plan and what the staff is doing is trying to fulfill the vision of that plan. We will have transitional areas. Now based on some of the stuff that I saw from from the public that was presented, um I I get the issue between Arden Preserve and that yellow segment. I have no issue with the county working out a deal with the developer to pay the developer to connect that five foot sidewalk so there's not a discontinuity there. But we will have discontinuities and transitions as we move to fulfill this vision, which

   48:47is what staff is doing. But

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   48:49why why is the trail only coming if I understood him right, the trail only coming in the yellow and not in the blue?

   Mike Carballa

   48:56I would suspect, and I'll I'll defer to Terry and the team that we lack sufficient right-of-way in that area.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   49:02Well then why aren't we getting some of the purple for the right of way?

   Mike Carballa

   49:07Again, it's it's a chicken and the egg. I mean at some point you have to fulfill the sections and divisions, and we will come later. I I promise you, if we do it the way that Mr. Couch is, we will be paying for that right-of-way in the future and we will pay a significant penny for it.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   49:19But the but the northern part is the clerk and PUD and the southern part is the runner. So where are you going to get the right-of-way if you don't get it now?

   Mike Carballa

   49:26I'll I'll have to defer to the team. I would assume that we would work that out as part of the development agreements, but I don't know where those stand.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   49:35The yellow part th is that the yellow part and the pink part is that's in the Clark M P U D as well?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   49:40Nope, they're in the north. They're building a road to the north.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   49:43But

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   49:44Right?

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   49:47Yes, that's in the Clark M P MPUD.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   49:50Are you just asking if the Clark M PUD is paying for that?

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   49:53No, I'm just a no we got I I know we had the right away from it, but I'm just saying that that's if that's part of the Clark M PUD. If we're getting the right-of-way for the pink and the yellow, I'm sure we gotta be getting the right away for the blue. Section C you're talking about.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   50:06Section A that so

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   50:08if they can pull up the updated Vision Road exhibit, it shows the Clark property M P U D. I'm Can they pull up this?

   Mike Moore

   50:19Is this ready for prime time here? Because we're having a lot of discussion on this.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   50:24Mm-hmm.

   Mike Moore

   50:25I'm just being honest. Can you pull up the easy thing?

   50:29It's on the agenda before. We're not having to make engineering decisions on the dais.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   50:34You know when I when I walked it with our engineers it it was discussed that they were gonna have to figure out Meeting the two. But it doesn't sound like that was figured out.

   Mike Carballa

   50:49Yeah, I mean I think the blue segment seems to be the issue here at this point. I think we have the yellow and the purple worked out. Um The blue segments go through. Brad, can you perhaps explain a little more?

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   51:00Sure. The again, this is a a what we consider a very small project. Uh so they only had to come up with the substandard road improvements. The substandard road improvements do not mean adding all of the ultimately desired amenities of the county. Uh they're just to bring that up to what's the substandard road uh level. Um it's different than our typical section. So what's happening there in the blue is that substandard road improvement that they were required to do.

   51:30What the board then requested was that they pick up from the end of that and put in the vision road segment. Uh so the yellow is the Vision Road segment, which has the typical Uh there. Um and then where they're tying that back in to the other road, uh, they weren't including that. And that's what uh Mr. Karbala said that we'd be willing to work with them on adding that sidewalk back in so there's a connection there on that north side. Uh okay, but but that's why they're they're three different things.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   51:58I need I need to I need us to be talking about the the multi-use. trail and the sidewalk, right? I mean so just when you say add the sidewalk on the north side, the multi-use trail is on the north side. So I use Is there a sidewalk on the blue site or is there nothing but road right now in the blue?

   52:22I mean doesn't every neighborhood have to have a sidewalk in front of it right now?

   52:27At the minimum.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   52:31Jay Hunting again. This we have sidewalk in front of our project along their frontage.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   52:38Okay, as you go along so we have pink and purple. So I'm I'm now talking about the purple. The purple and the blue. So um and I'm sorry I guess we don't have a diagram of it and maybe it's buried in here. You have sidewalk from in only the blue section or from the corner of your purple all the way To the other corner of your purple on the north side.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   53:02We have sidewalk from the west side of the purple on the left. to where to halfway up the purple right before that bed. So everyt along the entire frontage of the purple.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   53:18Okay. Madam

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   53:19Cair.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   53:20And what about the multi use trail on the north?

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   53:23The multi-use trail in in the in the is only being proposed for the yellow section.

   53:32It's on the south side of the road, and there's also it as as per the Vision Road typical section we're being asked to build, there's a five-foot sidewalk on the north side of the Vision Road. So what we're doing?

   53:50What we're doing is we're building a section of future vision road.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   53:56Madam Chair, if he pulls up the other if they pull up the other map,

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   53:59it

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   54:00might be a little easier. I I asked them what exhibit they need, but I'm I'm feeling a continuance is coming because

   Mike Moore

   54:07Yeah.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   54:08This is kinda messed up. I'm sorry.

   Mike Moore

   54:10Yeah, I agree. I mean I know you gotta get it done again, but now we're we're sitting it's kinda like last time.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   54:17Uh uh you know, two hundred yards of multi-use trail. So just it doesn't connect on the on the ends.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   54:22The the portion on the north side of the road along the front edge of this property, there are other properties. There are other owners there and it would pretty much require the condemnation of some of those properties or at least a portion thereof to be able to do that full multi use on the Well then the road needs

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   54:38to come south a little bit.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   54:39Okay and that was not what was agreed to do the M PUD. Yeah.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   54:45Guys. You can't plan to have a multi use trail that's only two hundred yards long.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   54:52It starts somewhere. Every sidewalk starts with a sidewalk of a block. It's not ten miles long to begin with. There are pieces that come and pieces that get filled in. I

   55:00think

   55:00Mike Carball has made a commitment that we're gonna do what we need to do to create this vision and make this happen.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   55:06Why didn't we swing Bexley down a little bit?

   55:12I don't know.

   55:15Yeah, we're not gonna fix this today and

   Michael Dadey

   55:18hi Mike D, KB Holmes, 19810, Morton Bless Drive. I have been sworn. Um, thank you all for your patience today. This came up at the last minute. The Vision Road, as you know, was an off-site road. It's three million dollars of cost that we're building, and that's been planned and we there's been a year of work into it. The sidewalk just came up. Could you please approve, if possible, or consider approval of the DA as presented with this three million dollar vision road and we'll agree to come back and do an amendment to

   55:48the DA within six months. That should give time for staff to work on the sidewalks. Get Jeremy Pouch's input and some good exhibits for you for the next time we come up here. We just have three million dollars worth of impact fee credits. We can only utilize seven hundred thousand so We'd like to talk to you in six months about how that can be done working with the county. But we're we're here for the long haul, but please let us move forward. It's been a very long process and we're cooperative. We just can't

   56:19possibilities and eventualities that no one knows yet. Madam

   Mike Moore

   56:21Clerk.

   56:25Mr Mr. Steinsnyder, um

   56:30thinking about his suggestion about approving the DA Somehow in the motion to s within six months bring back an amendment. How will we do that? 'Cause I'm not familiar I've never seen that data.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   56:41It can be done. Um Mr. Goldstein and I had the conversation about doing it. Uh it may be more appropriate to say To trigger it to a stopper. Okay. As well as the uh six months, but David, did you have some language for that?

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   56:57I don't have exact language, but we could add a section to the development agreement, which it sounds like you're in agreement with that um within six months here prior to the 15th of the cycling approval, the the land to include a development agreement amendment to the direct.

   57:17Red area.

   Mike Moore

   57:19But is the district commissioner okay with that? With his his suggestion?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   57:29But Well I have I still have let me ask a few questions, but I'm gonna be okay with that. Um When I look at the map, And uh Where your M P U D is? No, come Mike, come back up. I see s I see a very nice house there and I'm guessing that mess might be Mr. Renner.

   Michael Dadey

   57:46It's Mr. Renner's house who's anxious to find green pastures.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   57:50Sure. And is his house staying or is his house going?

   Michael Dadey

   57:53No ma'am, it's going.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   57:55Oh looks like a nice house. Um It is. So and I'm not saying that you guys need to take on more costs. 'Cause I understand that Your your project only generate so much um that you're and you're already putting a lot in. What I'm saying is county has to have a plan. And um And I I don't I I wish that that was already worked out.

   Unidentified speaker

   58:23I was intentionally vague when the language was drifted because I didn't say it was your credits. I mean it may be that the county could use

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   58:31Some bicycle pedestrian mobility fees in this area to assist the developer with those costs, but that's something we'd have to work out through the

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   58:39All right. And I and I'm okay with that as long as we We and I know it's a lot of our responsibility to figure out how to connect that but It just You know, I just feel we need to have a plan. And

   58:55With that I'm gonna let the resident commissioner make the motion.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   59:00Just for for future as well. We had the Ardent M PUD coming in. Those c the connections should have been made out to forty one.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   59:07Agreed.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   59:08And we should we should have been part of that mix. Right at the foot of that that should have been done at that point in time. When the Clark M P O D was out here. All this roadway improvement is coming on their property. Why didn't the why didn't get that that get included when they were coming in, even if we had to give MP fee impact fee credits? Now I understand we can get the right-of-way we need because they are not building anything, especially in the red section and part of that yellow, but Again, that that's something that in a master plan unit development We should have done that.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   59:35That's why I feel we need that that person that we don't have right now. Yeah. So originally

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   59:42the road was not cutting through. It was m borderline and adjacent to the Clark property, just like the red. The yellow originally went down until

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   59:53Yeah. And uh and we're being donated that All that land to the left of the red stripe, that's been donated to the county. So there's plenty of room for a multi use trail on that north side.

   Michael Dadey

   1:00:05The county still has to request that land, ma'am.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:00:08We have now requested it.

   1:00:11It's not his land to be, but Hey, whoever has to ask. Let's make sure we do the asking. I would be more comfortable. I think we can figure this out. Um I w you know, it would have been good to be figured out ahead of time, but I uh I understand.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:00:28I would be more comfortable if it was resolved prior for me to make that motion.

   Mike Moore

   1:00:33Um I'll make the motion that on I'll make the motion on to approve the DA under um with that the cons the consideration of Mr. Goldstein. Can you repeat that please?

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:00:44Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:00:46To add a sentence to the DA that within six months of this approval or part of the first preliminary site plan approval, they'll enter into a DA amendment that Addresses the requirement for sidewalks andor multi-use paths within the Red and blue areas shown on this graphic.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:01:05Sorry. Okay, and I'm and I'm sorry, under discussion, I'm gonna say something to Mr. Couch, because I'm not sure you finished your presentation. But um I did talk with staff about getting rid of the bike lane. and um they're thinking about just changing that name and not calling it a bike lane 'cause who wants to bike there. um and calling it the what do you want to call it the shoulder or something. They feel it's necessary to have that in case there's a car issue. So I think that's a discussion w we need to have that does every

   1:01:35road have to have that extra six feet on the sides? I don't know. Um

   1:01:45I think we're giving up a lot to have that three foot. I think it's three foot on each side on every single road.

   Mike Moore

   1:01:51Well we can do this and the this is what we're gonna get worked out when it comes back now. So it is

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:01:56cut off Mr. Koutman's presentation.

   project engineer

   1:01:58Commissioner, I would just ask if you could say also to 41, because if we're gonna spend sidewalk money, the last segment is in front of county owned property. And um the way you just said it, they don't have to build that. If we give them the money, it'd be nice for them to build that too.

   Mike Carballa

   1:02:13I I don't think that's gonna be them. I think that's gonna be us. It may be more appropriate to handle that as a as a project in the future. I understand that that connectivity is important, but I also understand there are some technical challenges and some right-of-way issues on that side as well.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:02:24But if he say if that if that property, guys, is coming in Uh we gotta make sure uh that who whatever staff is working on it knows that that's gotta connect to forty one.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:02:34So Madam Chair, I wanna be clear about why I did not include any area other than the red and the blue, it's because the developer is already doing construction in the red and blue area. So it makes sense that if they have a contractor out there anyway that they put in the sidewalks. They are not planning to do any construction east of the red area.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:02:52Yeah, no, I I know. That's on us in my opinion. And if we wanna hire the contractor to continue, if we have the money. We can do that. And I

   Mike Moore

   1:03:01agree.

   1:03:03You've got to put that in your in your um Yeah.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:03:06And where is the school located? It's uh it's uh uh Arden M P has a trail, a connecting trail behind there. And then Clark has one as well. So

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:03:17there will be a connected trail for st students to

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:03:20walk across the

   1:03:21colour.

   1:03:21There isn't right now in the blue. That's part of the problem.

   1:03:25All right. All in favor? Aye. Aye. All right, good luck, guys. All of y'all. Okay. All right. We're back to the R's.

   1:03:38And I'm gonna have to keep this straight.