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1. 1Dec 7, 2023
   Planning CommissionPC16Consent agendaNo disposition in the minutes

   An Ordinance Amending The Pasco County Comprehensive Plan; Plan Amendment (Consent)– CPAS23(14) Boger US 301 – Providing For A Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment To … 2-15 And Sheet 23) Changing From Com COM (Commercial) To PD (Planned … Real Property Located East Of of US 301 At The … Amendment Creating Subarea Policy Flu FLU 7.1.77 – 301 East; And A Map Amendment To The … Subarea Map 2-9(77) 301 East; And Providing For Additional Text Amendments As Necessary For Internal Consistency; Providing For A Repealer, Severability, And An Effective Date. East.

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   Ebro Stevens

   1:32:45Good afternoon again. Ebro Stevens, Planning and Development. Before you is PDD 240002, a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment in the name Of C Pass twenty-three fourteen, Bozier US 301.

   1:33:01The proposal is a comprehensive plan amendment to amend Map 2-15 and Sheet 23, as well as a text amendment to creating sub-area policy 7177-301 East. We are looking to go from Calm commercial to PD plan development to allow for 200 townhomes and 18,000 square feet of retail office and commercial on approximately 26.12 acres. The location is a northeast intersection of

   1:33:31US 301 and Roanoke River Way. There will be a company rezoning RZ 7764 from C2 General Commercial District to MPUD Master Plan Unit Development. Just to note, the MPUD conditions of approval will include a live local condition. Yeah.

   1:33:53Mm-hmm. The subject site is located in the East Market area.

   1:34:00Here is an aerial.

   1:34:08Quick context map. To the east we have two rivers and to the north we have cobblestone. as well as Deer Springs and PUD.

   1:34:22Access to the site will be on US 301.

   1:34:32There are portions of category two wetlands on the property.

   1:34:44Surrounding future land use, we've got planned development to the east. To the north, we have AT major attractors. I think I got that backwards. To the west is Plan Development. To the north is AT Major Attractors. To the east is Res 3 and to the south is Calm Commercial.

   1:35:07As mentioned before, the existing future land use is commercial.

   1:35:16The proposed is P D.

   1:35:26The proposed amendment is consistent with the following comprehensive plan of policies. Policy flu 161, commercial development. Policy through one six three. Transitional land uses, as well as Policy Blue 814, the East Market Area Establishment.

   1:35:45And with that, staff recommend the local planning agency find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommend approval to the Board of County Commissioners. I'll be happy to answer your questions.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:35:57Okay, is there any questions up here?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:36:10For the record, Barbara Will Hight, sixty three twenty seven, Graham Boulevard, New Port Richey for the applicant. Thank you for that very great good presentation. This property is already allowed to have residential uses on it under Live Local. This project will take that the ability to do that and now it will be platted townhomes. So this is definitely an improvement. Today if you try to get a con a call land use designation on this property, it does not fit with the comprehensive plan. So It wouldn't be allowed. It's just it's

   1:36:41old. Um But we intend to do townhomes, planted townhomes in a in a small commercial area to serve the residential that's that's down that road. Um to our east is a K B Home, single family detached. So we have a classic Land use pattern of single family detached single family attached town homes and then a small commercial to serve those to zer to serve serve those homes. So that was our approach when bringing forth this project.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:37:14Okay, thank you Barbara. Any questions up here for Barbara?

   1:37:20Okay. Is there anybody else here to speak on this item?

   1:37:25Okay.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:37:26My question for Chris on schools says right now that Chester Taylor's operating at 133% and will be 136%. With the next K through eight opening in twenty twenty nine, so

   1:37:44Is there anything on the horizon quicker to give relief to the elementary school?

   Chris Williams

   1:37:49So a couple things were

   1:37:53Currently negotiating with the two rivers folks. Not sure how that's gonna wind up. Um We're also getting ready to rebuild West Supper Hills Elementary. Um and completely building brand new school behind the current school. and add capacity to that. And that is projected to be done twenty twenty.

   1:38:20Probably twenty twenty five or six. And then potentially when that reopens, my intention might be to um

   1:38:30rezone those schools, uh Woodland uh West Seth Weightman, Trester Taylor and try to redistribute some of those um Populations and then also add a wing to Chester Taylor. Adding a wing won't solve the problem in a in of itself, but um add a wing plus do some rezoning will help us. So that's kind of years. Yes. Okay. Yes.

   1:39:01And then also we're opening the new K-8 on our Kirkland Ranch campus. uh where the new technical high school is off of Curley up in north part of Wesley Chapel across from Epherson Ranch. That's gonna be a magnet. That could have a a little bit of impact on the Zephyrhills area, of course more more the San Antonio West of Chapel area, but it could have some impact on the Zephyrhills area. But we'll see come next year when that

   1:39:32school opens. Okay. So those are our those are our current plans. Hopefully. We can reach some conclusion with the two rivers developer and and and Well would

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:39:46that be sooner? I mean if if you if you came to a deal tomorrow with two rivers, I mean by the time you actually design, plan, and construct a school.

   Chris Williams

   1:39:54that would be another probably three years or so. But it sounds like there could be relief in the

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:40:01off

   Chris Williams

   1:40:01two years. Yes. Okay. And and then if if we do reach conclusion with two rivers then then we'd Potentially they I'd like to do a whole campus there but again, depending on what happens, at least uh maybe a K A Um and we just have to figure out the timing of that in association with all those other ones.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:40:25What's the time it would take. We're at comprehensive plan amendment stage with this site so they're at least a couple years before their their burden on the school system right

   Chris Williams

   1:40:37head. But yes, I agree, but the at issue is places like Two Rivers who's already approved and going, that's coming to Chester Taylor immediately, so

   1:40:54But long term long term I'm fine with this, but um in the short term we're working on those plans. Okay.

   1:41:07Thank you for checking. Well was that a deal killer for the school board? No. Okay. No, but I always appreciate everybody checking on that 'cause that is important.

   Chris Williams

   1:41:18Help help me understand just for one moment here. Two rivers is more towards the Western Chapel area, correct?

   Chris Williams

   1:41:25Well, it's kind of the south end of the Zephyrhills, but yes, a little bit

   Chris Williams

   1:41:28toward

   Chris Williams

   1:41:29Wesley Chapel.

   Chris Williams

   1:41:32Three oh one is more east.

   Chris Williams

   1:41:34So 301 is on the um eastern boundary of two rivers. Two rivers lies between 301 and Morris Bridge Road.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:41:43Yeah. I think there was a slide that shows the the boundary of two rivers in relation to this project.

   1:41:51It's right across the street. It's right on the other side of three oh one.

   Chris Williams

   1:41:53Yes. Okay.

   1:41:57I better look at a map again, that's all I'm fine.

   Chris Williams

   1:42:03It's that large swath

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:42:05between 301 and Morris Bridge. So let me ask this question. Maybe I didn't ask the question correctly.

   1:42:14Does the twenty-three twenty-four projected enrollment include what's projected from two rivers? Yeah.

   Chris Williams

   1:42:23So what that is is a Um percentage increase based on historical growth at those schools. And when would we expect the load

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:42:32from

   Unidentified speaker

   1:42:33So

   Christopher Poole

   1:42:33it's fully market?

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:42:34Yeah, that's not the right term. The student body addition from two rivers to start hitting the elementary school.

   Chris Williams

   1:42:45So uh it'll start in next yeah in the in the

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:42:48But I mean is it is

   Chris Williams

   1:42:49it But it I mean obviously

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:42:51it won't be the whole thing. You know, isn't it'll be So these number the numbers that are in our report do not reflect the students that would be coming from Toot River.

   Chris Williams

   1:43:04No, but you know, there's already a lot of growth in Chester Taylor's boundary, you know, along like other other developments that are already been going and so the per s we don't anticipate necessarily a a hu I mean certainly all that's gonna hit, but it's gonna be

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:43:20over several years. Right. I guess what I'm asking is this is saying that I assume that if I'm reading this correctly, bate that in this coming school year you're gonna be operating it up. Maybe above a hundred and thirty three percent capacity? Potentially.

   Chris Williams

   1:43:36Depending on the growth. Now I've projected some growth in there. Um But we expect similar growth in the next And then how are you

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:43:46dealing with that? Portable classrooms and

   Chris Williams

   1:43:48correct and then like I said we're we're working on a wing to be completed in twenty twenty five. Um again the Kirkland Ranch K eight is opening this coming year. Will that impact Chester Taylor? Probably not a huge amount, but could have a little bit of impact in that region. Um So you know, buying time until West Seth Hills gets completed and then doing probably doing some rezoning to redistribute those populations.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:44:24Yeah, I mean obviously I think we're fortunate here that this gets brought to light at this point in the process. The comp plan process in the very beginning and you're like like you said, it's two years out probably at least. But it it is an issue that obviously you you've got under control and you're looking at so

   Chris Williams

   1:44:39And also just to back up on that, so Chester Taylor is a smaller capacity school, it's an older school, so it's only like

   1:44:48five hundred or six hundred most of our elementary schools are more along the seven or eight. hundred and so that's a small and that's why again why we're adding a wing to that. Uh same with West Effort Hills is on the smaller side, so we're adding capacity when we rebuild that one.

   1:45:06It won't solve the whole problem, but

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:45:08it solves part of the problem. Well, I'm looking seems to me that you have an existing problem. Oh yeah.

   1:45:20project might exacerbate that problem, but if you're able to meet the schedules you discussed, then this project may not Substantially impact that project. Correct. Right. This particular project. Agreed.

   Unidentified speaker

   1:45:36Okay.

   Moody

   1:45:39So m I I'm I'll voice my reservations or concerns. I know that um Miss Wellheite very uh she mentioned uh live local and so in theory, you know, under the current um zoning that this could be potentially developed into the multifamily with a much higher density. Um but we're also dealing with the current issues of oversaturation of residential To commercial um in the county and all the issues that that's that's creating. So it I have some reservations

   1:46:09about um converting good commercial property that we have over into residential. The other issue too I'm seeing is um it looks like the property to the north on the future land use is designated major attractor. Um thank you for clarifying. For me. So, you know, if if I guess it's currently the flea market, but you know, if this is potentially developed into some sort of major attractor on future land use, I don't know if you know it looks

   1:46:39like everything else around it is is residential with very little commercial. Um and you know, and a lot of future land uses for residential as well, except for this this. one little spot of commercial so I don't know if it would be prudent to give up this commercial.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:46:57You're missing a s an analysis in your staff report. We actually hired I knew that would be an issue and we hired a planning expert and you're missing that report unfortunately so you can't see this. Okay. So you should get to see that. So if you would continue this matter, we'll make sure you get that. Um they went through that and and can it goes through all the commercial that's there, what's in two rivers, what's the commercial comm capacity of the north, what's going on with State Road fifty six 'cause it it intends to be to be um extended. It's a thorough analysis and

   1:47:27unfortunately you're missing that because it wasn't included in your packet. So um we are happy to continue it so you can get that information.

   Moody

   1:47:36Yeah, I I personally like to see that. I mean I think that's 'Cause you know, you you do heard a good point. I mean this this potentially will cause it to be a lower density that would potentially could be used under Live Local.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:47:47Yeah, under we're about ten nine, ten units per acre and Live Local would allow twenty four units per acre as in in garden, you know, multi story, multifamily. Um so you know this provides the platted townhomes fee simple ownership that the board wants, but I do understand the question of what's going on in this area regarding office and um commercial and I think you'll find all those answers in this very detailed report that we did.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:48:12Based on The decision of the commission on Tuesday is live local an imminent threat.

   attorney to the tourist development council

   1:48:24Well, Th the the we we have to wait for a a bona fide real local application before we file any suit. So it's basically in the develop developers court right now.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:48:40I guess I'm I'm asking for more practical standpoint if the owner developer were to come in and say, Well, I'm gonna develop at the maximum intensity under Live Local And then you file for this declaratory action What's the estimated time they'd be tied up in litigation while all that gets figured out? A

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:49:02couple of years probably. Yeah, I'm not threatening I'm not threatening Live Local. I'm not threatening Live Local. I've I have a report that just

   1:49:11Live Local is the right-of-way. I'm just saying there you know Live Local people have approached. You know, we started this project well before Live Local. We've actually been at this for a while. Um this report that you don't have is dated March twenty uh March of twenty twenty three. Took like four months to put together. Um it's pretty it's a very has a lot of analysis in it what's going on in that area. It answers your questions exactly and your concern exactly. I had the same concern when I brought this project forward. Um You know, w we don't just take commercial and

   1:49:41make it residential in this county without looking at it very specifically. Well

   Moody

   1:49:45also considering it's around the area, I mean it doesn't look like commercial

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:49:48opportunities. Well that major attractor that attractor, the AT will become a commercial project. It's it's at, you know fifty six is in t is going to be extended. It's already D O T's already working on it. Um so there won't be a That won't be an intersection that's just, you know, a three legged intersection, it'll be four legged. And that property will be where the commercial goes and this property is is off of that intersection quite a bit to the south. But I'm happy to we have an M P D, the M P D's got a catch up anyhow, so we don't have

   1:50:18to rush um this this land use amendment. It was ready to go. Staff works hard to get these things moved forward. So we're happy to uh continue it and um so you can take a look at that report and make sure you're comfortable.

   Moody

   1:50:31Would you be amenable to continuing it forward to the companion?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:50:34I can do a time uncertain and then I will bring it forward with the MPD. I think how many acres do we have? Make sure it's not large scale, right? It's thirty. Okay. It's small scale, so we can bring them back together. It's fine.

   Moody

   1:50:46Okay.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:50:47I appreciate staff. Like I say, they They want to move their stuff forward and that's why it's here today. But happy to continue to a date on certain so we can bring them back together and you can have all the information as well as that analysis that we did.

   Moody

   1:50:59Yeah, I'm not a big fan of kicking the can either, but if it's amenable to you guys. It's

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:51:02fine. It won't hurt the project.

   Moody

   1:51:04So I I'd make a motion that we continue to do uncertain. Okay,

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:51:08is there a second?

   Moody

   1:51:10A second.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:51:11Motion and a second to continue continue to date uncertain. All in favor? Aye.

   Chris Williams

   1:51:15Aye. Aye.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:51:16Opposed? Motion carries.

   Chris Williams

   1:51:18Wait, I I vote I'm gonna vote negative on that one. So often we kick this can down the road, going to kind of rehash the whole situation out. So that's why I'm voting no on it. That's good.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:51:33Okay.

   1:51:39Very good. Uh PC seventeen.

2. 2Jan 9, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP51Public hearingContinued

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   Starkey

   16:20Okay, P fifty one was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times November twenty second, twenty twenty three, and by affidavit certified mailings and site postings.

   OakleyChair

   16:29Thank you, Mr. Chairman Mariano Speedos, Planning Development Director. Item P51 is an ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan, providing for a small-scale conference of plan amendment to the future land use management after the 15 in Sheet 23 from COM commercial to PD Plan Development on approximately 26.11 acres of real property located east of US 301 at the northeast intersection of US 301 Gall Boulevard and Rollinok River. Way and a text amendment creating sub-area policy flu seven one seven seven three oh one east and map amendment to

   16:59the future language map two-nine adding sub-area map two-nine seven seven three oh one east and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency, providing for repeat reservability and effective date, and this is a request to continue to a date uncertain.

   OakleyChair

   17:14Okay. Do we have to have a motion for a continuance?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   17:20Move the continuance to a date uncertain.

   OakleyChair

   17:22Date uncertain.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   17:23Okay. Second. All

   OakleyChair

   17:25right, good. So motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed like sign. Uh 5-0 pass. Move on to P52.