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1. 1Nov 14, 2023
   Board of County CommissionersP104Public hearingApproved

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   Approved Staff’s recommendation as modified to include the verbiage read into the record by Mr. Clarke Hobby which included to add in Condition number 37 where it presently ends the following language, “notwithstanding the foregoing if additional single-family detached units become available for construction in Connected City prior to the issuance of the first preliminary Development Plan/prelimin

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   MarianoChair

   3:23:43We have a motion second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Item P one hundred four. Thank you, Commissioner. Thank you.

   OakleyVice Chair

   3:23:54Item P one oh four was published in the Tampay Times on September twentieth, twenty twenty-three.

   MarianoChair

   3:24:03If I could, why don't we just take a five minute break?

   3:24:09Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:24:11Rather you take it before the Before we

   MarianoChair

   3:24:13get started.

   3:34:49For the here.

   3:34:53For our two regular agenda items. the Lacucci plan as well as the opioid plan. Um I think Lakuci Plan is gonna take some time. And I've got a lot of questions about the Capitol with the opioid plan. So we're we're gonna have a discussion about continuing. We can discuss that now or later. Right. Um I I think to give this full dialogue and like I said, I I I really want to make sure we're protecting the county. I think the plans are great, but I just want to make sure we're protected every step of the

   3:35:23way. So for all those here we still got a couple more regular public hearing to go through so if the board wants to and we agree then we'll continue those two items.

   Starkey

   3:35:34We have do you have controversy on the opioid plan?

   MarianoChair

   3:35:37I I have some big questions about the capital money. I love the plan, but the capital money is my big big concern with it. I think what what what the opioid committee's done is great, but I think there's protections we need to put in for the county for making a huge capital investment of those millions of dollars to make sure that we're gonna protect what's gonna happen at the end. Because some bad things could happen. And I don't think those protections are in there. And I know the contracts have been written to show us full protection either. So that would give them time to even address my concerns for the next time we meet.

   Joseph Disano

   3:36:07Okay.

   MarianoChair

   3:36:08All right, we'll continue then. Okay. Okay. So anybody who's here for the opioid or the uh Lakci project, those would be continued. So if you don't want to wait around Okay. All right, item P one oh four.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:36:19Just for clarification, opioids are coming back in December. Do you want a Lakucci back over here or do you want

   MarianoChair

   3:36:27any Likuchi? No, we only put Lakuchi right here.

   OakleyVice Chair

   3:36:30Should it be here or the Ku Lakie would hit you?

   MarianoChair

   3:36:33Northeast Rule will have to be here. Okay.

   Mike Carballa

   3:36:36January ninth for that

   MarianoChair

   3:36:38Yeah. Well it's December, okay. December fifth.

   3:36:42Okay. So item P one oh four.

   OakleyVice Chair

   3:36:47Item P one oh four was published in Tampa Times on September twentieth, twenty twenty three.

   Gavin Covey

   3:36:53And I do have an updated master plan for you guys. Um we are just adding a note that the internal roadways are conceptual. Um passive now.

   3:37:13So this is a P D twenty four seventy-six fifty. This is the Kenton C C M Penny for Pasco. Yeah. And so the proposal is a zoning amendment, and we're going to be rezoning from an AC agricultural district to a connected city master plan unit development district to allow for 800 multifamily dwelling units and 106,286 square feet of service ready site acreage on approximately 176 acres. And this is located at the southwest corner

   3:37:44of the intersection of Kenton Road. and Tendle Road. Again, those background slides we talked about earlier, Florida State Statute in 2015. Board of County Commissioners uh adopts enabling documents um previous or subsequently after that. Um so here's the site location uh within the county.

   3:38:07The site location within Connected City.

   3:38:12Here is a location in the SPA zone. It is located in the community hub. It is fairly close and bordering the business core district.

   3:38:25Here is a picture of the aerial.

   3:38:30The current zoning which is A C

   3:38:34The future of land use was which is A G. And then here's a picture of the master plan for you. And then the service ready site acreage, which is the non residential uses, is gonna be uh in that northern parcel with um apartments and then to the south will be some townhomes. Uh just to highlight again uh the community uh hub zone. This is medium density and intensity, uh educational uses, multifamily, single family residential, um mix of

   3:39:04uses, supposed to be, you know, the main neighborhood area around uh King Lake.

   3:39:12So this application is asking for three variations from section 805.6 to allow for parcels under single ownership to retain responsibility for the maintenance and upkeep of common areas instead of a community development district or homeowner association. Uh and then section 907.1 to reduce the number of required parking spots to 1.9 spaces per multifamily dwelling unit. And then section nine oh one point six D eleven to provide inter uh to not provide interconnections to the east or west of the property. And so uh the first section that they're

   3:39:42asking a variation from is uh eight or five point six. So parcels under single ownership such as an apartment complex may act as a responsible entity uh for the maintenance and upkeep of common areas instead of a C D D or HOA. Uh and then section 907.1, the new minimum for required parking is still above the eighty-fifth percentile according to uh the Institute of Traffic Engineers. And then section 901.6 D11. To the east exists a large category one wetland, and to the west is the existing Kenton Road with single-family residents.

   3:40:13Uh instead of you know connecting each house uh to that road, they will provide one single connection for them to access the new constructed Kenton Road. And so there are two added conditions from the Planning Commission. The applicant has agreed to prohibit industrial uses from this MPUD on that service-ready site acreage. And then number two is the applicant has also agreed to not construct homes and buffer requirements near the southern boundary of the MPUD, and I will let the applicant discuss that a little bit

   3:40:43more. And this comes with approval with conditions.

   MarianoChair

   3:40:48So I'm gonna ask a couple of questions.

   3:40:53Connected cities they say is built out with single family homes. And I know there's a desire to put single family homes. I know there's also a desire to step back some of the density and some of these developments we've got coming in. What it would it what is it going to take for that gentleman to be able to come to us and ask us for single family homes and and get it approved?

   Gavin Covey

   3:41:11So we would just have to one make sure that we would have those in our entitlement tractor which as of right now, what I've been told since I've been hired is that we don't have any. Um I am in the process actually of updating our entitlement trackers with um some other long-range staff, so we will have a concrete number. if we are overentitled or we still have any remaining.

   MarianoChair

   3:41:30Okay, so let's let's go with the assumption that we're gonna be overentitled for residential. What is it gonna take for these guys to get what they really want to build out there? 'Cause I think it's a benefit to most single family compared to just apartments.

   Gavin Covey

   3:41:42Um In my opinion, I believe we would have to update the financial plan and making sure that if we add single family detached entitlements, that it makes sense in the financial plan and that the roads could be built with these single family detached entitlements.

   MarianoChair

   3:41:55Okay. So that'll be when we have a connected city workshop that should be a major part of the topic to uh w to get that. So if you would Work with the developer to kind of take those steps down the road.

   3:42:08Can can Kenton Road, you're protecting that for the residents so that they can access and they'll still build his own road going all the way up. Yeah,

   Gavin Covey

   3:42:16they'll be constructing the new Kenton uh road and then they'll have the existing dirt road connect to it so that the residents can use that new road to go south.

   MarianoChair

   3:42:24Yeah. Okay.

   Gavin Covey

   3:42:26All

   MarianoChair

   3:42:26right.

   Gavin Covey

   3:42:26Very

   MarianoChair

   3:42:27good. Any questions for staff? Commissioner Weightman. Thank you, sir.

   Weightman

   3:42:32The uh proposed word that bisects is property, that's not

   3:42:38There's an opportunity to not, you know, to maybe run it straight up that way and keep this parcel whole, right? This is we're not obligating ourselves Maybe you have a picture of it up there?

   OakleyVice Chair

   3:42:52What are you talking about a road?

   Weightman

   3:42:58Instead of splitting that potential parcel in two Or maybe that's a better question asked for the applicant.

   Gavin Covey

   3:43:06I'm sorry.

   Weightman

   3:43:07I just don't wanna you know, I'd like there to be some flexibility. I want to make sure there's flexibility in this plan to not necessarily cut this Northern property in half, maybe wonder straight if it makes sense for a commercial kind of you know opportunity zone within this project. So I just want to make sure that we're not cementing this.

   Gavin Covey

   3:43:28No, exactly.

   3:43:36Thank you. Yeah.

   MarianoChair

   3:43:37Commissioner Weightman point because if you did that, as well as making that part hole, you could actually put probably a roundabout that someone might like around the very top to bring 'em over and then that parcel could get the better density and better eateries that we want to see in there too.

   3:43:54Yeah. Any other questions for staff?

   Starkey

   3:43:56No, I'm I think I've met with the applicant on this, but I'm Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   3:44:11Commissioner's Clark Hobby Hobby and Hobby PA as you know I have been sworn. Um I'll make this brief. You've already seen this file map, shows you where we are in the community hub. The point that staff has tried to make on this project all along is that it's approaching the uh bus the urban core where there's supposed to be the most intense and dense areas of connected city and it really envisions an area that's more like Midtown or Water

   3:44:41Street in Tampa. It's supposed to be that kind of vertically mixed use high intensity, high density project. So we started meeting with staff uh two years ago this month. And the original proposal on our project was to follow the other areas of, see if I can get this work, yeah, of this area and this SPA, which were built out at a more suburban density. And staff was adamant because of the planning objectives in

   3:45:11Connected City that we needed to raise the density as we approached this intersection. here. So staff instructed us um as we went through the process to not just follow the develop development pattern generally for the community hub.

   MarianoChair

   3:45:27Clark if I could stop you for a second. Yep. Can you just go back to that slide? And just kinda draw the line exactly where that where the parcel is in relation to the

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   3:45:36Sure. Yeah. It's this um and I let me see I'm probably gonna screw this up. They were trying to show me how to do this and and make it more of a pointer. But basically it starts right around where this there you go. Well

   MarianoChair

   3:45:47you see, try this.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   3:45:49Yep.

   MarianoChair

   3:45:51A tool from Commissioner Weightman.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   3:45:53That's proved it's worth it.

   Roger Mendoza

   3:45:57Okay.

   Jennifer McCarthy

   3:45:58No,

   Janet Gibbs

   3:46:01no.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   3:46:08So uh our property starts right here and comes up through here to this intersection right here where there's plow plan to be a roundabout and remember that This is what you all approved last year with similar density on the uh Up um yeah, the Aprilli M P U D and then there's a townhouse project that's down here. I'll hold on to this for a minute if it's okay with you all. I I promise I won't blind anybody. Um so again, uh we

   3:46:39heard from now this doesn't wanna work. Come on. See if it'll let me flip back. If I can get there we go. You've seen the transportation plan, and you previously heard staff's argument was that we've maxed out the single family detached in this area, and staff really had two points about this. You've maxed out the density uh that's allowed for single-family detached in Epperson and Mara, but moreover, staff feels, and they still feel today,

   3:47:09that you need to raise

   3:47:13from what would have been single family detached to townhouses on the bottom. and then go even higher as you get to the the northerly part of the site. And we have emails from staff. They were made very transparent with us, and we're talking about Ernie and Brad primarily. And if you read this series of emails, they tell us straight out, you know, I I love what you're doing now. You changed your plan and went from, you know, what was a suburban form density to higher. And

   3:47:43they were very clear that that's what we had to do. So anyway, I won't believe labor that point. but I did want to make it on the record. But let me let me just talk about uh a little bit about how things have changed here over the last little bit and I think they're gonna benefit the area as a whole and the planning objectives that the board has. My main client on this deal is D.R. Horton. And D.R. Horton, and I'm working with Ann Mys, we're in all these meetings with you all, and we know about the board's concerns about apartments,

   3:48:14you know, just doing the same old thing and just having a sea of townhouses, even though townhouses and some board members is better because it's you know fee-owned product and that kind of thing, as opposed to just apartments. So, what we did was we went out and got a development partner to work with D.R. Horton, and what he wants to do. is as we get up in this area, if we can make this road go further north, we we had already planned and have to have the

   3:48:44service ready site up in this area and it already allowed some retail. What he would like to explore doing is just what you all were talking about. Bring the road up here, build a roundabout on our site, open up the middle of this property and that does a couple of things. Number one. It protects our neighbors over here by giving them the greater setback that the folks down here have that I'll show you in a minute. Number two, it opens up the whole middle of the site and what The development partner, Michelle, and

   3:49:14his group would like to do is to create what they believe is a sorely missing location place that's different, a gathering spot. They view this as being the hole in the donut and connected city, and they don't want to just build another public center. They're trying to build something that we believe all of the neighbors and the other folks who will move into. connected city will find to be a real amenity. Um so that's our we're really what's driving our come

   3:49:44on this is good there we go. That's what's driving our design in this area and again we're trying to be more mindful of what the board has an objectives not just from public memo number twenty six, but how can we make this the best site that it can be for our neighbors, okay? So now let's see if we can get this together Okay. You're gonna hear from some of our neighbors and you know it's stuff we've heard from other people who live in this area, some

   3:50:14of whom have lived there before Connected City existed. But on this site, just because of the special facts of this site, we can do some things to protect our neighbors to the east on the other side of Kenton Road. As you'll see, this graphic is showing you because of the buffer that we agreed to on our eastern buffer. the right of way that's there and that leaving the existing Kenton Road that provides all of our neighbors to the east access, we create a minimum

   3:50:45two hundred and thirty seven area between where any of our units would be and their property lines. Not even their houses. That's just their property line property lines. We feel like that's unprecedented uh in an area that's urban. and we feel like we've really been able to take advantage of the what the benefits of the Connected City Master Roadway Plan because if you look on this exhibit, what you're seeing is we'll have our own landscape on our property, then there's

   3:51:15three more landscape rows in there. So I will find it hard to believe that our neighbors are going to see our units from their properties. And that's in my mind doing the right thing by our neighbors and being protective of them. Excuse me one second.

   3:51:36We have met extensively with our neighbors. And in just a minute, I'm going to ask Joe Semino to come up and talk about drainage concerns that we've heard from them. But I also want you to know that we have a neighbor to the south and we've met with them several times. Let's see if I can get two of one. I'll leave that. We've we've met with them several times and and talked with them extensively and as you heard from staff we agreed to four

   3:52:06parts of a special condition to try to protect them. Uh what we agreed to is from their property their home is located more on the let me see if I can get back to the master plan. There we go.

   3:52:25No, this their their home is located generally in this area. Okay? And then there's a larger wetland system that runs in the back. So we know that they have children in here and it and you know th they'll explain their uses and stuff. the topography of the of the site is falling off this way. and we're very likely to just have a retention pond in here and our units we're probably going to be fairly far away from them up here but I just want

   3:52:55the board to have me read in the special condition and what we're doing for our neighbor there. Because we want to be good neighbors. First of all, we said we'd have no units within two hundred feet of their existing home. Two hundred feet, no units. If we do build a retention pond within 200 feet of their existing home, we'll put a fence on the south side of that pond. So if they have children that happen to get onto the site, there'll be a fence there and it

   3:53:25will provide provide not only privacy on our end, but hopefully safety for them. We will also install a six foot fence on the south side of any of our units that are anywhere within two hundred feet of their boundary. So we're gonna put a privacy fence up to shield them from any of our units on the south side And because they have some ag units and some hog wire along their boundary, we just agreed to leave that in place. So we don't want their animals getting

   3:53:55out, and all we're doing is supplementing it with more fencing and safety on our side. So with that, I you know it's been a topic of discussion for several years now about the basin that's over in this area and King Lake and some of The uh water rise from King Lake that's affecting some of these partials, and I want you to know. that Joe has looked at this extensively and I want Joe to tell you what his view of the water issues are and how

   3:54:25our site is not even in the same basin and cannot contribute to their flooding issue.

   3:54:32Yes I can

   3:54:35There you go. Pointer.

   Joe

   3:54:40Point it down and test it. All right. Good evening everyone. Uh Joe Simeno, WRA Engineering, uh 12363 Hampton Park Boulevard, Tampa, Florida. 33624 and I have been sworn. Um I know drainage is always a really important concern and discussion we have to have on any MPUD. Uh we've got a good story to tell on this one, so just want to air it out before we get into all the other stuff. Um I'll cut Keep pressing on it.

   3:55:10I'm gonna push it like this. There you go. All right. So this is King Lake here, and I know that uh you guys have I know that the board has been hearing a lot of drainage concerns about King Lake. Um they're valid. It's it's got some issues. There's a lot of water running into there, it's getting higher than it's ever gotten in the past. Um so it's understandable that there's some concern about that since we're in such a Close proximity. What I just wanted to point out is there's a topographic ridge along the eastern neighbors here, and it's about anywhere

   3:55:40from I'd say four to ten feet higher than portions of our site. So none of our drainage whatsoever crosses this divide and drains into King Lake. That's very, very important because if it did, we'd have to have a very long discussion about our drainage plan and how. It's not affecting King Lake. But we just got good old-fashioned gravity on our side here, and we are not draining uphill and over this ridge into King Lake. In fact, King Lake's one of King Lake's only overtopping points is actually through our sites, actually right up there. This is just a big general

   3:56:11line to show it goes from east to west, but it's right through here. So topographic divide, we do not drain into King Lake. King Lake actually overtops through Us and the portion it overtops through is actually a protected wetland. We will be building a road over it, but there'll be massive box culverts in there, will be regulated by Pasco County and Swift Mud to make sure those are designed correctly. Um but nothing else is going to be built over that conveyance system that takes all that King Lake drainage off to the west. That's it. Just wanted to.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   3:56:42On

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   3:56:42the other

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   3:56:43train.

   Joe

   3:56:44Oh yes. Um so something that we cannot directly do, but we can demonstrate the benefit of it. is I'm just gonna say right where about where that uh red big red line is crossing that discharge that needs to come from King Lake across to our property, there's a very small culvert under Kenton Road right now. Um we don't have the ability to increase that because that would be increasing discharge downstream, but Pasco County Utilities in coordination with Swift Mud could authorize something like that and we'll be doing all the design and we'll have all the data

   3:57:14to help them authorize Yeah. But um that would be a potential component of this property too. Again, we can't just go do it, but we have a lot of data that shows what needs to be done and between Pasco County Public Works and Swift Mud that would probably provide a great benefit to getting more water out of King Lake faster.

   MarianoChair

   3:57:30Commissioner Oakley.

   Joe

   3:57:31Yeah.

   OakleyVice Chair

   3:57:32Are are y'all building a Ditch or something to take that water to take it on pasture property or Because I know it it spreads out on your property now. Yes it

   Joe

   3:57:42does.

   OakleyVice Chair

   3:57:45I wish this was working a little bit better.

   Joe

   3:57:46Yes. And I'm talking about the

   OakleyVice Chair

   3:57:47water coming from King Lake at that callper.

   Joe

   3:57:50Correct. It spills through um there is a there's a wetland system that meanders through the pasture. Right. And in a low flow it's contained within that. In a big flow, it spreads out beyond that. We'll be showing that in our pre existing design how that spreads out and anything we build around there we'll have to demonstrate how we're not constricting How that's the right-of-way. channels through our property. So absolutely, absolutely that will be channelized through our property.

   3:58:21Oh, actually if we can actually clean out the ditch. Um well if it were a big cypress head, we probably couldn't ream it out, but the fact that it's just a s small wetland system running through the pasture with basically just grasses in it and some um non-native species in there, that would be one of the easier ones to actually clean out without any sort of major permitting implications for environmental dictionary. So you're

   OakleyVice Chair

   3:58:44not building in that area whatsoever?

   Joe

   3:58:45That's correct. We're not building in that area. We do have to build New Kenton Road over it, but that's where you're gonna see big giant box culverts to get water going through.

   MarianoChair

   3:58:56Any other questions?

   3:59:03Okay, this is a public hearing. Is there anyone else who would like to speak to this item?

   Jennifer McCarthy

   3:59:07Um Mr. Jim was signed up again.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   3:59:16Jim Arinary, [address removed]. Um okay, I'm just gonna read part of of this um because it concerns the this property with the traffic and the construction. Uh Elam is designated as an intermediate road on the Master Roadway plan and Boyette, McKendry, Kenton, and Overpass are considered primary. Kenton Road Was supposed to be extended from Elam to Overpass back when Epperson was built. Apparently it

   3:59:46was not enough benefit to Metro at the time since it was pretty much outside of their uh uh subdivision. Uh so there was they transferred the money to the county. This was back seven years ago now. I believe I found the document that said that it was 400. $179,000. It's about a quarter of a mile extension that is critical to Everything that we've been talking about. uh uh today, uh with these two developments

   4:00:16that I'm sandwiched in between. Uh without that being done, every single vehicle that is on this property If they are going south, they are going to use Kenton. And when they get to Elam, they have no choice but to turn right and go past private driveways. Can can

   MarianoChair

   4:00:37I

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   4:00:37pause you

   MarianoChair

   4:00:37just for a second? Can we get a map up to what John was talking about?

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   4:00:46the aerial may show it better.

   4:00:50Sally.

   4:00:55There you go. And and if uh uh the property is a little bit higher yes, so where you see King Lake Range, that little bend, that's the beginning of this this property, I believe. So The option, even when the if they had built the road to go through as it was originally not amended, but gone through and connected with Tyndall and uh McKendry there which would be a straight shot to get up to 52. Anybody that's on that property

   4:01:25that wants to go south on 75 is not going to go north a couple of miles to 52 to an unsignaled light and make a left-hand turn to get to 75 to then go south. They will all come down Kenton Road. To Elam Road. Which is you gotta go up a little bit there or Uh down I'm sorry, down toward Which will come out right there. Now you can see the right-of-way that was that was given right between

   Starkey

   4:01:56a pointer because you know he's pointing

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   4:01:57out. Is this it? Okay, there we go. So right here is the right-of-way. And if you go down, move it up a little further. There you go. So here's Kenton Road, and right here is the right way to get to Overpass. without that connection, which is designated as a major primary road from uh Everybody is going to come down here and go around this S curve that you've previously heard about, this

   4:02:28right hand or this 90-degree turn to the south to get to the intersection of Overpass and Boyette at that point.

   4:02:42Construction traffic. Depending upon where the the material may be coming from, whatever they may be coming down 75 to come back around here, it's all gonna go. I suggest, and I think the board has the ability to to put a condition, to have any construction traffic come from Curley. This is a A, it's a newer road. Elam is failing, it's cracked, it's delaminating, it's rudded, and it

   4:03:12was only built several years ago uh when when this was uh taken over by the county. So at this point, uh we are going to be at the Brunt until this little section here, I believe it's a quarter of a mile. If we can get this done, it will alleviate and to the benefit of the applicants and to the benefit of of uh the this project over here. that transportation mobility

   4:03:42and ability to get from point A to point B will be greatly enhanced everybody's life at this point. So I thank you for your time. Thank you.

   OakleyVice Chair

   4:03:55Roger Mendoza? Mm-hmm.

   MarianoChair

   4:04:01And who's after Roger?

   OakleyVice Chair

   4:04:02Uh I think it's Rayla or Kayla Mendoza. Kayla?

   MarianoChair

   4:04:08We're gonna get double teamed.

   Roger Mendoza

   4:04:49You ready? Yeah, put number one up there first.

   4:04:54Everybody, my name is uh Roger Mendoza, [address removed]. I'm actually the uh owner of the property. Um where the development is going to be north of us. Currently is RV, right. And you have been sworn? Nothing to see. Huh? And you have been sworn? I've been sworn. Yes I am. And just off it here so I can stay within my screen minutes. We live at [address removed], and this is our view. We've lived here for uh 13 years. We moved here because we wanted

   4:05:24a rural view of the Florida landscape for our kids and for um just us to be able to get out of suburbia. We used to live in Meadow Point that grew really big and uh we wanted to get out of it. Um one of the things I did want to remind you as that HAPRES first actually brought up was according to the comprehensive plan, all right, 163.3246. is encouraged to retention of rural character where rural areas exist. And then number 11 says and

   4:05:54assure protection of key natural areas. One of the things that's happening is that it's been talked about so many times. Rural, rural, rural, right? And then all of a sudden you have all these homes coming in. You have seen all these complaints. You have seen everybody talk about it, right? My wife and I are proud Haskell County residents. We've lived here for a long time, right? uh community advocates we are also business owners we own and run and operate a nonprofit called Nature's Haven out of

   4:06:25our home, Nature's Haven of Florida. We provide youth services to the children that are neurodiverse. You guys know what neurodiverse is basically kids that are have autistic, are are attracted to water, runners, people that are fight or flight kind of thing, behavioral issues, emotional issues, right? So we we cater to these kids because there's a way that nature speaks to them. Because when they interact and

   4:06:55are afraid of certain things, like for example, chickens. We have chickens, dogs, ducks, possibly goats near soon. We also apply for a class three license we can have a Capibera and skunks, right? So this is supportive for our kids to do. Uh we have um

   4:07:14the sensory activities that for the kids and of course their self-esteem and is growing their social amongst other kids as well. So if you go to pick number two there. The New Kenton development, 800 homes, the other way.

   4:07:28Well paste it down the other way.

   4:07:33Uh eight hundred homes. Uh the original plan was two hundred and fifty. So that's a big big a big jump. Across the street, the preliminary that's five hundred and twenty-five homes. That's pretty big too, right? Um

   4:07:48The ten acres that are bordering let's see if I can discover. The ten acres

   4:07:55Okay, 10 acres right here, that is bordering right here, that's my entire property line. According to the conditions, right? It's 200 feet away from my home. My home is not just this little dot. My home is like property line. Inside of the conditions, they just put property of my home. But they actually put the parcel. Right? So the parcel is not just this little tiny thing. The parcel is my entire 10 acres. Right. So what I am asking for is our request. We want just not the 200 away from

   4:08:25our home. We want anything near our boundary. Have a hundred-foot buffer, just like the uh Tony Rivers were asked for. Currently 25. Feet away from our roundary according to Joe when we were on the call. This is a safety and security issue, especially for our kids. Our home is not just the house, it is entire property. We asked uh we only talked to Joe one time on 1023, not several times, like you mentioned. Uh and in just the last 24 hours we got an email. So I didn't have anything to really plan according to it. I know he was in the hospital, I

   4:08:55don't know, some personal issue. According to Mr. Hobby, he asked if I was satisfied just a minute ago. And he said and I said no. He said that that's going to be the best we're gonna do. I don't know if that's just him saying that or he's just taking the power away from you guys. We're asking for a along the four hundred and twenty feet right here. Think the thing's running out of batteries.

   4:09:22Four hundred and twenty feet from here to here, that's uh that's the really big retention pond. That tree that you see behind there is this little dot. Right? That's humongous. Our kids are possibly, like we were talking about, autistic, possibly attracted to water. Uh one of the moms has told me he's attracted to water. And you can see it. He plays in everything, even puddles. Or whatever you have out there, water. Right? If he's attracted to something like this. It's gonna be a

   4:09:52a pain of suing going on. nonprofit against this big conglomerate, they should be able to push all the stuff a hundred feet off my bundle line. Okay? We want a concrete wall here, eight foot. We want a uh eight-foot middle rod, one of those ornamentals we could actually still see through the actual Wetland, right? We wouldn't be a nature's haven if we didn't have see any nature. In front of me there's the two lake.

   4:10:24left of me or north of me is this big property, right? That's not but as you guys see. Nature's paying. So you gotta

   MarianoChair

   4:10:30you gotta wrap it

   4:10:31up

   4:10:31the time's up, sorry. Okay.

   Roger Mendoza

   4:10:32I appreciate it. Thank you guys for listening to what I have. Uh Halo.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   4:10:49Hello, my name's Kayla Mendoza. I am the daughter of Carolyn and Roger Mendoza, my dad. And I'm here because And you've

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   4:11:00been sworn?

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   4:11:00Yes I have.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   4:11:01Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   4:11:02Okay, I am here because um last time I was here you guys weren't here and you guys didn't get to hear what I said before. And so I'm here more about the animals that you guys are all misplacing and so that all these subdivisions are coming and so I've wrote an entire list of animals that I've seen in my head that I remember their exact names of that I've seen outside the property and in the property that is soon going to be developed. And

   4:11:32so I have a list of about seventy eight animals, not including the ones I don't remember. So some are snakes like black racers, corn snakes, eastern coral snakes, even the the venomous ones, yes. But th they all count as nature. Birds, we have and green herons, cattle egrets, snowy egrets, sandhill cranes, grey egrets, scarlet ibis, turkeys, a lot of them we see them pass by, they're pretty funny looking. Um we have a whole bunch of warblers,

   4:12:03sparrows, wrens, mocking birds, vultures, we have eagles, we have uh ducks too, yes, ducks on our property, but we also have ducks that live in the ponds that your the ponds um We have animals that are also not birds. We have bobcats that live in the back of our property. We have raccoons. I've seen them in the trees. We have skinks, which is a type of like lizard, salamanders, skunks, cottontail rabbits,

   4:12:33swamp rabbits, marsh rabbits, chickmunks, nine-banded armadillos, which sadly I've seen on the roads because the cars that come by. Um cotton, the cotton rats, old beal mouse. Actually we've seen a lot of rats, which our cat gets, which is pretty funny. Um Anoles, which is um lizards. And there's a whole bunch more that I can't say because it'd be like ten minutes worth. So out of all these on my list, 10 of these

   4:13:03are threatened, 15 are endangered, and 20 more are declining, and then 22 are protected. Um I know it's um my dad said something about an ornamental metal fence and so I would like to say that if you guys are building all these stuff I'd like to at least make a fence so the a certain fence so the animals can get through so we can see them still as these subdivisions come.

   MarianoChair

   4:13:34So I have a minute, I just I just asked your question because it's important. You're asking for a fence you can see, but you're worried about the kids being able to see it to be attracted to it.

   Roger Mendoza

   4:13:43They can still see it, but they put a fence on a Mr. Howby put put a uh last on a quarter

   4:13:57Go jump over a barbed wire, go wherever the water is. If you put an ornamental fence eight foot high, you know that have the ones that have the points on the top. They're not gonna go over that. Right? There's still a lot of snakes, craps, everything else can go through it. So

   MarianoChair

   4:14:13you're okay.

   Roger Mendoza

   4:14:14I would like to have an eight foot concrete wall. Everything is a hundred foot away. Twenty five feet.

   MarianoChair

   4:14:22I'm confused. So w from where the tree is, you want what kind of a fence are there?

   Unidentified speaker

   4:14:26Uh from the tree I would like to

   MarianoChair

   4:14:29southern now.

   Unidentified speaker

   4:14:30The southern word.

   4:14:34Right here between this

   Roger Mendoza

   4:14:36guy and this guy.

   MarianoChair

   4:14:37Right.

   Roger Mendoza

   4:14:37It's about uh about four hundred and twenty feet or so. I would like a metal rod ornamental. um metal rod fence. In front of it there could be some type of evergreen for some kind, three to four feet by burning for some kind. That way the kids don't actually see the water. They can see the nature. That makes sense. So essentially this is the fence. This is the fence. This is the shirt

   4:15:08that in front of it for Penny for Pasco. They can still see the wetland, but they won't be able to see the water. Make sense? And in the back we're asking for hip foot concrete wall.

   MarianoChair

   4:15:19Why white concrete. But but but what what do you mean by the back? I'm looking at the southern border. Oh to to the other side.

   Roger Mendoza

   4:15:26Yeah, so it's all

   MarianoChair

   4:15:27side. No, no,

   Roger Mendoza

   4:15:28I

   MarianoChair

   4:15:28get that I'm just trying to do it.

   Roger Mendoza

   4:15:29We have access to this pond. So if we go back to the pond, we still have access to go all the way back here. We have we're gonna have town and everything else back here. So I don't wanna see a resident on your side. If you have a P flimsy P D C thing podcast. So

   MarianoChair

   4:15:50Okay. Thank you.

   Roger Mendoza

   4:15:55Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

   OakleyVice Chair

   4:15:57All right. Next person I have is uh Jennifer McCarthy.

   Jennifer McCarthy

   4:16:03And I got a lot of exercise. Why? Uh I requested and I had another

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   4:16:11I had a neighbor

   Jennifer McCarthy

   4:16:12wave their time. Yeah. Um who's the neighbor which isn't for it. Who's the neighbor, if you don't mind? Uh s uh I believe actually two e two neighbors emailed but uh Sue Singletary and uh Andorra Emma Horton. Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   4:16:29Uh Make it too? Okay, my name's Jennifer McCarthy. I live at [address removed], and I have been sworn in. Um so as I said I live on Kenton Road and I'm asking for following conditions to be added in writing before the development has approved. So, one thing that Clark mentioned is that the Wildcat Groves is not in the rural area. Kenton Road is, and my specific area is in rural area four, and I would like that for that to

   4:16:59remain. So, as uh Mr. Mendoza said, I I do agree that he should have a hundred-foot space buffer between the AC parcels and the proposed development. Um I also agree that he should have the fence per his require per his specifications. This is not only for the protection of the agricultural properties and but for those living in the proposed development to discourage trespassing on our properties and the category one wetlands on the west side of our properties. We don't want to see

   4:17:29ATVs and other people using these lands that they're not supposed to. Um Kenton Road South of the Bend is currently a private non-county maintained road. I would like in writing that there is no construction traffic for these new neighborhoods, as well as Mara and Epperson that should be using this road. There are currently signs that say local traffic only, but there is no way to enforce this and I'm sick of getting run off my road by cars and trucks speeding by me. If you allow the construction of the neighborhoods to begin before the new

   4:17:59Kenton Road is complete, Uh From from Elam to this new development, it's almost guaranteed that we will be dealing with our road to be used as a hall route and construction as this already happens regularly. I-75 Interchange, they shut down construction for three days while they figured out a haul route. I was in the middle of our road on 911 with construction trucks trying to run me over coming from both ways. We are a single-lane road, a single lane, it's not a two-lane, single lane, glorified driveway. As you can see for a couple

   4:18:30days ago, there's a gopher tortoise on the side of it. Everybody's gonna run this stuff off. It's not fair. So I want to keep the I do not want our private road improved. I want to keep this to local traffic only, residents that live on Kenton Road as it was originally intended. It's a huge liability that you placed on the homeowners that own this road. Also, IASA construction does not close our road without warning. As recently on 1025, the entrance to Kenton Road was closed at Elam, going both east and west, without any notice to the county

   4:19:00or emergency services. Had there been an emergency on our road, it would have been a 10 to 15 minute detour to reach our home. That could have meant the difference between life and death, a small fire versus a house completely consumed. It's not a situation that should be happening. Control. During the construction of the New Kenton Road, it should also be required that this road extend south straight from Elam to Overpass, as uh as as Mr Mariani um So cars avoid the very dangerous section of Elam Road west of Kenton Road. The county traffic

   4:19:30people from the Planning Commission said that Elam can handle the number of cars, but that isn't the issue. It is a very dangerous road. And I don't want to risk my life driving on this road with what will be an exponentially higher number of cars. And I believe if you don't require this extension of Kenton Road as a condition of this new development, there will be accidents and people will be gravely injured or die because you made the decision to allow houses before safe roads existed. Also, since Eland Road has been closed for over a year, there might be thousands of other households coming

   4:20:00from Epperson that try to use it to avoid the four-way stop at Overpass Road and Epperson Boulevard, which is a mess to drive through nearly any time of day. Before this development is approved, I would like to see a finalized representation of how Kenton Road will be designed. I would like our private road to have a single entrance, six hundred feet north of Eland Road, as was planned last year in the April rezoning, and to dead end um at the Mendoza's property with an area for garbage trucks, etcetera, to safely turn around. A

   4:20:31couple things about the traffic study for this development. One, it was done under the assumption that it was going to be single family detached homes, but now with the rezoning to 800 multifamily, this is likely to be apartments. Um the number of cars on the roads has changed. The traffic study continues to reference Kenton Road. I live on Kenton Road. I'm assuming at this point our private road will be renamed, but this document can be misconstrued that the existing Kenton Road can be used for their. right of way. So I would like verbiage added that they are not allowed to use this road. On a personal

   4:21:01note, I'm not moving. My neighbors are not moving. What we, these 10, 10-acre parcels on the south end of Kenton Road, are trying to do is protect our neighborhood, just like I'm sure you would want to do for yours if you were in the same situation. It's not about keeping the entire area rural, it's about keeping our street rural. We are a neighborhood and should be treated like one. So when I hear county employees make comments in the media that we should cash it in and move, or Members of the Planning Commission whisper that this is for the greater good. It's not only frustrating, but offensive and really scary that this is the viewpoint. The US

   4:21:31has a bad history of running off residents from areas to make room for what they believe are more worthy as wet residents. This shouldn't be the case here. Again, I ask that my conditions be in writing so they are enforceable. I'm tired of having promises stated to me that aren't followed through because when time goes by, the lawyers and developers get together. And they will always do what's best for them and what will make the most money, not necessarily what is best for the citizens.

   MarianoChair

   4:21:57Thank you.

   OakleyVice Chair

   4:21:58Thank you. Thank you. No clapping. Please don't clap. Uh Michael Polterek.

   Jennifer McCarthy

   4:22:08Can I

   MarianoChair

   4:22:08borrow your pocketer? Uh this should be right up there, I think. Is it?

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   4:22:14Right, cool.

   MarianoChair

   4:22:18Thank you, Commissioner Weightman, for that tool.

   Weightman

   4:22:22I don't even know how it got up there.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   4:22:26He

   Michael Pultoric

   4:22:27gave

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   4:22:27it to

   4:22:27Clark and

   4:22:28Clark

   Joel

   4:22:29left it up

   Michael Pultoric

   4:22:29there. There we go. Okay.

   4:22:35Good evening. We're there. Uh Michael Pultoric, [address removed]. I am sworn in. If you can put yeah, thank you. Um Commissioner Starkey, to your point about some upper scale single family residentials, we would love to see those on this property. Up until the last planning commission, this was two hundred and seventy-seven townhouses and it It's grown to over three times that in residences plus 106,000 square feet of commercial on the same piece of property.

   4:23:05This was the um revised traffic study for Epperson Ranch. The reason I point it out is I'm sure you guys have gotten complaints because of the Epperson Boulevard and Overpass Intersection. It's eight lanes plus turn lanes and it's a four-way stop sign. It is a disaster. That came from this.

   4:23:28When this study was done This is basically the metrics behind it. Okay? This was the 2025 projected traffic flow. Unfortunately, these traffic studies we keep getting and you keep making decisions off of, they don't come off of the additional projects that continue to be added to this. This is actually the federal DOT. Manual right here, which is very important, and I'm going to give you the metrics and why. This project

   4:23:58now doubles over the appreel property, which was 527 on residences plus 106,000 plus square feet of commercial. This is now asking to add an additional 800, which puts us at 1,327 residential units plus 213,000 square feet. Yeah. on a two lane road, that dead ends in a stop sign. DOT, rule of thumb, straight out of the manual, says you cannot exceed 450

   4:24:28cars on a stop sign on a two-way stop. That does not take into effect the traffic on Elam Road, which is going to obstruct traffic. Now, when we default back to charter schools, on top of the 1,327 units of volume traffic in morning and afternoon, you now have Parents commuting their children to school at the same time. Why is this important? If we have 1,327 cars going through the stop sign, it's going to take three hours to get to out of the intersection to get to work

   4:24:58in the morning. Now, the part that I really have to get to you is this is the overview of where we're at. As everybody said, this is where it dead ends. That's important because this is my property. We have cattle. I lease and own property on both sides of this street. I'm the one with the John Deere tractor that goes up and down here with rolls of hay. We have a farm in Michigan. We have agricultural property here. This is all on record with the property appraiser's office.

   4:25:29We have equipment and trailers that exceed 40 feet that come out of here. The proposed intersection is going to be right about there. I do not have room to come out and straighten out our trailers and equipment and get out of the opposite direction traffic for a safe intersection. This is going to be a 90-degree turn right here. And the problem is people will come through that turn. They will not see the equipment coming in and out, and somebody's going to get killed. On October 6th, I reached out to Mr. Hobby's

   4:26:00office. I had several concerns. This was one of them. What I asked for in one of those concerns is this is the applicant's current driveway. Across from it is two lots, and I have cattle on both of these properties, the record. This property right here is two lots. It's been vacated, it's gonna be conservation, it will never be developed. What I asked Mr. Hobby for, one of the six items I asked for clarification on, is for this intersection to go to Kenton Road, to be moved up here, opposite

   4:26:30of the vacated property, so that A it keeps the traffic away from our equipment coming in and out of our Operation and also there's no homes here. So as cars go in and out, headlights will not be shining into the front windows of these homes. I think it's very fair to ask this intersection goes to this point right here. The second issue is on the next slide: this is the original traffic study map for 2030.

   4:26:59How do we get there? It was up there. Please. The 2030 traffic study map for the roadway called for

   4:27:11Okay, right here is the road that the prior speakers were talking about. It connects Overpass Road to Elam Road. This is part of the 2030 plan before we were even talking about two and four lane roads going up in Kenton to replace it. The reason this is important is because there's a traffic light there. That traffic light is what's going to stop, as in preventing everybody from All of these developments and everybody from the connected city that needs to get south from getting out of here because

   4:27:41with a stop sign we cannot get the traffic flow through there. On the flip side This k Old Kenton Road because the new Kenton Road is going to dead end before it hits Tyndall The scary part here is all of this traffic from the south is gonna hit the old Kenton Road to go over to Curley. Apparently now it's gonna be a six lane highway. or to go west on McKendry or Tyndall to get to McKendry to go out here. So all of

   4:28:11this traffic flow has to go onto our true two-lane dirt road, and that's the traffic I'm actually going to deal with that's going to create a safety issue with us put taking 40-foot gooseneck trailers with hay on and off the property. And when I look when I order pallets of agricultural products, all organic by the way When they come, I don't get to pick the truck that brings it. Sometimes it's a semi. And I have to as quickly and safely as possible on our little two-lane dirt road, use my forklift, take the product off or move it onto

   4:28:41our property to get it out of the flow of traffic. So I'm asking you please, first thing, is to move that intersection north so we don't create a safety issue. The second thing is please make it four lanes to start with for traffic flow reasons and give us some form of traffic flow where it hits Elam because we will never get in and out of that. Area. Those concerns and about four others were sent to Mr. Hobby's office via email on October 6th. I did not get a response from

   4:29:11that email or any of those concerns whatsoever. Some were the schools, some were the fire station. Traffic flow was a big one, and I would like to thank them for working with us on the watershed from King Lake. that Epperson and Biscayne Bay helped to create the situation of. They can't control that. So I appreciate the fact that they're helping us with the drainage. The traffic flow Is on you guys, we need your help with that. Thank you.

   Stephanie Shatzman

   4:29:42Uh Mr. Chair, I don't have anyone else signed up.

   MarianoChair

   4:29:48Okay.

   4:29:51So I see three other people for public comment. If you w want to line up behind the current current speaker, that'd be great.

   4:30:01Yeah, yeah, three minutes name adjustments.

   Tanya Riddlesworth

   4:30:08Uh first I wanna say that I most certainly do live there, okay. Um I do list my home for rent for short term periods when my family and I want to go away in our R V and I don't think I need to apologize for that. And I'd like to see

   Starkey

   4:30:22legal. Sorry, what? It's illegal. You cannot have a homesteaded property. It's also a rental property.

   Tanya Riddlesworth

   4:30:29It's not a a rental as in long term rental.

   Starkey

   4:30:32I I I saw the nice comments people love staying at your house. But that yeah, that's that's so even short

   Tanya Riddlesworth

   4:30:37terms.

   Starkey

   4:30:37You better be very careful because you're gonna pay some huge fines. But I'll

   Tanya Riddlesworth

   4:30:41Hm. I thought that was just long term, but I guess we can talk about that after. But I do want to reiterate that the 104 foot 140 foot setback has already been done as we showed you before. Mara has 10 foot setback all the way around except for in this one rural area where it's 140 foot setback. Um so I wanna know why wouldn't it why wouldn't you approve a one hundred foot setback that the Mendozas are asking for here? Also, I want to say that there's only multifamily left,

   4:31:11as we've kind of been talking about all here. All the single family entitlements are gone. There's only multifamily left. So, what does that mean for the connected city? Well, if we thought it's been growing a lot in the past few years, now we have multifamily only left. It's only going to grow exponentially. The schools and the roads need to be addressed now. Wait any longer. So most of the people that have been up here have been talking about the roads. This is an area where we haven't had this issue with Epperson and Mara as

   4:31:42much because they weren't on dirt roads. This area that everybody wants to start building in now, the business court, the South Innovation Zone, the Urban Court, it's all on dirt roads. You're only going to hear more and more of this. We have all the dirt roads that we're talking about: McKendry, Tyndall. um Kenton that need to be addressed and need to be thought out properly before we can put all these multifamily homes on these roads. We cannot wait until twenty fifty to pave McKendry or to um fix uh Kenton Road going south uh to Overpass. Uh

   4:32:13one more thing I I wanted to uh mention. I thought the connected city was supposed to have a committee with residents to help regulate it. I want to know how do I become part of this and uh who is the current private residents that that are on the committee. I question the master plan and how this is anything but suburban sprawl, which was my fear that I vocalized when it was originally passed seven, eight years ago. And note that it is this has been years and the world has changed since then. Gigabyte internet is available everywhere.

   4:32:43Office space isn't needed as much because people are remote. The entire connected city needs to be re-evaluated. And this should be done before more piecemealing rezoning are approved. I don't see anyone looking at this area as a whole, other than Mr. Weightman has called for this audit that hopefully will. Will happen in January. Otherwise it's just housing, housing, retail to support the new housing, etc. This is not a uh an innovative area if you're looking at it like that. That is just suburban sprawl that we're trying

   4:33:13to avoid here, is my understanding. Thank you.

   MarianoChair

   4:33:19Thank you.

   OakleyVice Chair

   4:33:20Mr. Chair, um for any of the speakers that have come up and they've displayed anything on It unless there's been a a motion to accept it, I just wanna make sure that they know that they it will not be in the permanent record. So if there's anything that you've displayed that you want to keep into the permanent record We need to know so that the board can do a motion to receive and file that.

   MarianoChair

   4:33:42Yeah.

   4:33:45You can't. You can you can break that you can

   OakleyVice Chair

   4:33:48ask

   MarianoChair

   4:33:49that.

   OakleyVice Chair

   4:33:53So the items that you showed you would like those to be?

   Michael Pultoric

   4:33:55Yes, I'd love for those to be on the record. Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   4:34:00All in favor say aye. Aye.

   OakleyVice Chair

   4:34:03And Sonia, are those electronic or are those paper? That that he that the gentleman sent. Electronic okay, if you could email that to Donna Lee in the office, thank you. But anything else that was presented will not be in the permanent record unless you want it. So you have to make sure you ask for it. Thank you. I have not pressed warning. All right. Well raise your right hand please. And anyone

   MarianoChair

   4:34:25else gonna speak to Ben Swan? Oh, Ben Swan, okay.

   OakleyVice Chair

   4:34:29Okay. I'm sorry

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   4:34:30if they cut

   OakleyVice Chair

   4:34:30from you.

   4:34:33All right. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth, so help you God.

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   4:34:39Yes. Thank you. Thank you. My name is Michelle Burquette. I live at [address removed]. I've lived on this road for 45 years. I'm probably the oldest. One to lived there. But anyway, I have seen everything that's happened on this road. I've seen the traffic increase. This is a one-lane road. This is a one-lane road. The picture that's up there with the governor tourists? That's one lane. We have had so many dump trucks, semi trucks, flatbed trucks. You name it. I can't even walk down our road. I can't even walk down the driveway with my dog and

   4:35:09ran over. So anyway. We need to have that Kenton Road, the new one, since someone decided maybe that new Kenton Road and Maraud, Kenton instead of realizing that our Kenton Road is actually Kenton Road and the County doesn't own all of it. Whoever did that screw that up big time. They should have checked out investigated on it that half of it is all private road, county main not county maintained, the other half is county maintained. And people don't go thirty miles an hour like on a dirt road like you're supposed to. They'll

   4:35:39go about sixty, about a hundred miles an hour because they are going to Maraudha, they are going to McKindry Road, they are cutting through Overpass, they are cutting to fifty-two, they are cutting you name it, they are cutting it through. Because we went through this for eight years, well five years with Eberson. They were getting dirt from Overpass over at 52 and they're flying J's. They were getting dirt coming off of well, I don't know about the new Oakley Pass. But anyway, what I'm trying to get at is we need to have Canton Road, the new one, fit before anything else

   4:36:09gets put down this road. It's ridiculous. If you look on the satellite thing, you can see how our part I'm talking about, the person, the people, residents, of what we're going through. Anyway, let me just go to the next one. I had a whole list here. Um have any of you guys ever like gone down Kent Road or checked out it out just to see what it looks like? Have you uh I saw heard you say something about your team riding around, right? Do you do it all the time?

   Starkey

   4:36:36And I just I've just um been looking at it on the map. So I see it. I see part of it is not a it's not a county road. It's yeah, and

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   4:36:44a lot of you have got a lot of uh people in your county didn't know that. I had to tell And then they finally went, Oh yeah, and like yeah, not all of it's county maintained. Right. So anyway, if you look at where I live at [address removed], they have a driveway there and that driveway is a driveway, it's not a road. We have had everybody and anybody dump trucks from Epresent come down our driveway, and I've contacted you guys to tell you that someone needs to fix it. Get it off of Google Maps as a road, it's a driveway. So we've had

   4:37:14people coming down our long driveway, you turn in the middle of the road and go back out. So recently, the past two years, we finally put in a gate, and that has helped out a lot. We shouldn't have to do that, you know. If someone realized But you know, there's just a lot of things that need to be done. Please do kit and road. Rick do the new one. We can't handle our little road no more. Am I done? Yay! Okay, thank you. Anyway, I have more on my list, but thank you for listening to me and thank you for driving around the DOT, you should come visit me.

   OakleyVice Chair

   4:37:51Need help with that mic.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   4:37:54She's got a handmake. I just got a hand mic on the floor. Oh she's got a mic.

   Sarah Sevener

   4:37:58Yeah.

   4:38:01My name is Sarah Sevener. I live at [address removed] and I have been sworn in. My I have three special needs children. I don't know if any of you have experience with special needs children, but when you're dealing with special needs children, you have to look at them completely different from your neurotypical child. I have two on the autism spectrum. One with ADHD and some sensory issues. kids on the autism spectrum, they may know the rules, they

   4:38:32may know what's expected of them, and eighty percent of the time they'll follow that. But they have certain triggers you can call them or obsessions that when they see that, it's like a tunnel vision. Everything else goes out of their mind and no matter how many people are watching them, they are small, they are quick, and they can escape out of anybody's sight, no matter how many people you have watching them. Um My son my all three of my kids go to Nature's Haven at the Mendozas

   4:39:02and it has had The most impact I have ever seen with my boys. They spent numerous years in public school, never once made a friend, couple months in Nature's Haven, not only are they more comfortable socializing with their peers, they're more comfortable socializing with adults. They have gone from a pure fear of Bugs, insects, the outdoors, like um panic not being

   4:39:33able to move if they see an ant on the ground, can't even get to the car because there's an ant between them and the car. to running through the grass picking up bugs. And even academically their improvements in home school have been so much more than all of the years in school, just in the last couple months since we've started going to Nature's Haven. It is important that we look at, even though this is a small thing, it's a small co-op, a

   4:40:03small camp for these unique children. We want the best for these children. These children are striving to be productive members of society. We want them to be able to live on their own. And these early interventions at places like Nature's Haven is the only way that they're going to become productive members of society. And we need to keep them safe when they're there, which is why we really need to look at what the Mendozas are asking in order to keep these children safe. Safe. Thank you.

   MarianoChair

   4:40:33Thank you.

   4:40:36Is there anyone else to speak to this item?

   OakleyVice Chair

   4:40:39I have no one else signed up and no one on WebEx.

   MarianoChair

   4:40:42Okay. We'll close public comment.

   Starkey

   4:40:46I thought you had to be somewhere. I thought you had to be somewhere.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:40:51Me? J right here. Graham. Yeah. I had to be somewhere. Uh I'm here. I'm here for the duration. Clark Clark Hobby again. Uh uh just I'm gonna have Steve Henry respond to the traffic issues, but I did want to um Just respond to a couple of things. Number one, we are very mindful of the issues with the Mendozas and their property, and that's why we've agreed to all these conditions. Again, I want to reiterate for the

   4:41:21board what we've agreed to do there. We will not have any units within two hundred feet of their home. No units within two feet of their home two hundred feet of their home. That's a significant amount, and I think it's actually more than the neighbor was looking for on the on the other project. If there is a retention pond within two hundred feet of the home The con present condition says that we'll install a fence on the south side of it. Now, based on what I've heard tonight,

   4:41:52I think the condition should be changed to say that that will be a six-foot vinyl fence. I heard Mr. Mendoza, but honestly, I'm more worried about on our our side having a safety issue, and I don't want kids to be having a fence that they can get through. So I'd rather have a s a continuous six foot vinyl fence there.

   MarianoChair

   4:42:13Well let's let's talk about that for a second too, because as the lady just mentioned, when they see something, the visual goes away and they can't control where they go.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:42:20Right.

   MarianoChair

   4:42:21So that Fence that someone can see through. I d I don't think it makes sense either.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:42:26I I'm very concerned based on what I've heard, and that's why I think we'd be better served to use a six foot vinyl fence like we wouldn't normally have. We wouldn't normally put those, by the way, around retention ponds, but we don't want any of the special needs kids. having any issues on our site. So I just that's why I want to change that condition to be more specific. But I just want to reiterate the rest of what we're doing. We're gonna have a six foot fence on the south side of any units within 200

   4:42:56feet as well. So They won't be near their house, but if but they're on the western if the kids are on the western end of the Mendoza partial, which is a wetland that really can't be built on, but if they're back there running around, we're gonna have a six foot vinyl fence on the south side of our units if there's any unit within two hundred feet. All

   MarianoChair

   4:43:16right, but Clark, let me stop you though, because when you when you talk about their their house, it really doesn't matter. It's really the property line. What's the difference gonna be from the property line Going back to Yos. That's what's gonna matter.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:43:28So that well we're what we're trying to identify is there's two different scenarios because of the wetlands. Here we go. So their house is right here, Commissioner.

   Leonard Road

   4:43:39Mm-hmm.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:43:40This because of how the topography of the site goes will likely very likely be a pond, okay? This area is all in a wetland. Can't be built. So

   4:43:54It's a wetland. I mean I've we've looked it up online. It's a wetland. So we don't believe there's gonna be anything ever constructed as far as habitable structures back here. And again, that's why we're saying if we have any units within two hundred feet, we will put a a continuous six-foot vinyl fence on the south side of those units. So what we're trying to do, and this was based on on what we heard at Planning Commissioner Weightman this thing not work. W they told us in some areas they wanted to

   4:44:24look over our property, okay? and if we don't have any wetlands in there, if they want to look through their barbed wire fence or whatever it is back here, If we don't have units until they're up here, we put the fences between us and the units. That's all we're saying. But they did say at Planning Commission there were parts of the kids that like to be in the rear of their property and look over our property. And if there's not a water body there, I'm not that worried about it. Where I am worried about it is if there's a pond. Okay. So that's why that

   4:44:54reads that way.

   Starkey

   4:44:55Well they have a pond in the back of their property.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:44:58Right. Right. I'm but I'm just I'm I'm solely focused. I'm solely focused on the issue of what we're gonna have on our site, Commissioner, just for safety purposes and I'm trying to respond to what I was told in the previous hearing. Okay. So

   Starkey

   4:45:12um Clark, how how far back would you put the white fence?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:45:17We were gonna I mean I don't know that I have direct will we put it directly behind in at the end of the lots?

   Leonard Road

   4:45:23Yeah, everywhere there's a

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:45:25Oh, you want to put on the property line?

   Starkey

   4:45:28No, I mean I mean the whole length of the property or just up in the front?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:45:32Just where we have lots.

   4:45:39we have any units within two hundred feet of them, then there will be a fence between where the units are and the Mendoza property.

   Starkey

   4:45:47But it's what back in that

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:45:48we're three, four hundred feet up there. I don't know why we would need a fence out in the middle of a pasture. That's that's the only point we're trying to make. So there were a lot of questions brought up about the traffic, and there's a lot of misinformation there. And I'm gonna have Steve speak to that in in just a minute. But I want the board to know, because this is not my first rodeo in this area, the MPUD that's down here, a prili, was approved last year, and most of the people you heard speaking-not

   4:46:18all of them, but several of them, are the folks that live in here and they're actually going to live closer to where the Aprilli development is and we already worked out a series of conditions within to satisfy their concerns from where any of our development will be. Now with regard to where the access points are the reason why we put these notes in that Gavin you know changed today, these are just conceptual. If we can work it out so that the access point is where uh Michael

   4:46:49was showing where a wetland is so it doesn't go into lights aren't going into someone's house. We would love to do that. Our initial thought was for safety purposes it was better to have them come down the way the road presently is and come to a stop there. But these are all the kinds of things you have to work out with the county engineer when you get into site planning. We're speculating on a lot of this stuff. I I will say what Michael's comment about bringing his hay in. This is his only way to get in now. So he's some finding

   4:47:19some way to go around a ninety degree turn there right now and we're not going to change any of that. We're not going to change it. So whatever it is now is whatever it will be going forward. Okay?

   MarianoChair

   4:47:31But but Clark, here's the here's the thing. If you if you were trying to do this development in a regular way Substanded road analysis should get stopped. Right. You would because it's a single lane road. What is your

   Starkey

   4:47:43construction of the right-of-way?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:47:44You mean if I if I was proposing access on the right-of-way, pardon me, I have

   MarianoChair

   4:47:48the floor. Let me let me let me finish my comment. Okay, sure. So if it's a single lane road going all the way in a dirt road as well, and we're hearing about already the traffic issues that are out there, not even from you guys, but just from what's going around there, it's definitely going to be an issue. And I and I really love that you've got a side road built in that's gonna separate it from so that have their own private road. All said and done. But I'm concerned about what's going to happen now. And I think we we need to address it. When can you build at least One layer of the road going

   4:48:18north south up on your side of the property.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:48:21We're required to build it up front. We we we can't access this site without building the new road. And there's a condition that requires us at all times to maintain their traffic flow through the existing roadway. So that's so like as an example, just we may have to give them access over a portion of our site. to cross over it so they can maintain their way out while we're working there. So absolutely we understand it. Again, went through this on the Aprilli M P U D to the south and know how to do it.

   MarianoChair

   4:48:50Yeah and we'll just make sure we're going to say so you're going to build your own separate road anyway.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:48:54That's right.

   MarianoChair

   4:48:54That's not going to affect what they've got over there. You're going to allow him the access to do what he's got to go do. That's right. That's great. Now Going up to the top part of the property, right. Uh where the road then goes to the angle. Right. Mm I I I'm I don't want to wait for you guys to redo it, but I I really think as as we've discussed, going straight up and taking the left, putting the roundabout in, and going out that way, uh is the way to go from the get-go. But where are you going to go from the end of your property? Would you catch Tyndall or is that connect later on?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:49:24It would it would go to there. That's where the interconnection. There's another uh circle that's going in right there that another developer to the north is is building.

   MarianoChair

   4:49:33So the road's gonna then continue from that point then go up?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:49:36It will go north and go and and it's still called Kenton. It's it's kinda interesting. And again, I understand the neighbor saying we're not trying to rename roads. That's what it's called in the Master Roadway Plan. But it goes there's a roundabout just off of our property adjacent to it and it's gonna go up and go to the connection point that's already built into Murata right there. It's already existing.

   MarianoChair

   4:49:57So it's existing hard pavement's already there? Yeah. Okay. Now let's go to the south.

   OakleyVice Chair

   4:50:01Nope. Yeah, because I have a question on the south.

   MarianoChair

   4:50:03Okay. So let's go to the south of how can we make that connection all the way down to Old Rash.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:50:10Oh, you're talking about Yeah. Uh south of South of your property going

   MarianoChair

   4:50:14down.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:50:15The the next segment being built down is being built by the April developer all the way down. So we've already coordinated with them And that between the two projects they end up building like, I don't know, it's like a mile or a mile quart. Are you talking uh just to make it clear, are you speaking about

   Starkey

   4:50:34Elambus overpass.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:50:35Okay. That section wasn't studied. We didn't we didn't assume that we needed it and there no and Steve can comment on it, there's no failures, it's not needed. For our study purposes, okay, and for access. And the way Connected City works, we wouldn't be required to build that in any event. However, I have told the neighbors several times that I'm working with the county and several other developers to try to coordinate a process to bring it to fruition. We don't need it for this project. But

   4:51:06I would like to have it for connected city and if I can get the county to help me, just so you guys know, Building this extent of roadway, even just as a two-lane road, we will generate far more in mobility fee credits than we can ever use. So we will end up spending several million dollars we can't ever monetize to build a road that's for the county's benefit. So my client can't go also out and build another two and a half million dollars worth of road that we don't even need for our traffic

   4:51:36study. Yeah. But here's where I need your help. And I've been talking with staff about this. There are fees that are paid in from Mara, and I know a lot of them are going towards the interchange and the cost there. But if you came to me and the county could find a way from the fees that are being paid in from within Connected City to provide the funding, we will construction manage. the project to build that next segment. that again, we don't need it, but we'll help out and do

   4:52:06it. But we just don't have the money to do it. That's the problem. But i it's a convenience issue for the county and I think the neighbors would like it too. I I how it didn't get built, it was part of Epperson and they just dedicated the right-of-and it looks like the ponds, but for some reason they didn't build it and I don't know the back story there.

   MarianoChair

   4:52:25So I'd say I I think the I think the extension from existing McKendry where it's a to where it's gonna connect, where it's a dirt right now road now right now needs to be done. And I think this connection needs to be done so

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:52:35I would I really need the county's help. Again, I've talked with staff about it at length and so far the answer I get is we don't want to do anything. We we don't we don't have the funds we don't want to do anything and over the over time the county is gonna really want that connection to be

   MarianoChair

   4:52:51all right so continue on thank you

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:52:53okay so I I wanted Steve to just answer some of the traffic

   MarianoChair

   4:52:56okay

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:52:56uh issues that we brought up.

   Henry

   4:53:02Steve Henry, Linkson Associates 5023 West Laurel, Tampa, 33607. Um just answer a few of the questions. And first to kind of again give you a broad brush of the connected city. This is different than any other part of the county other than V OPH in which we did a master plan, but financial plan, master roadway plan, analysis was done to evaluate What roads are needed? And then what we do is is unlike any other area in the county, we actually use the 2045 model to evaluate as we move forward. So what we're required to do,

   4:53:32we've established under the master plan how many lanes are needed for each road. So then what we do is we come in with each project, we add those projects to what's already approved in the model, and we run the new model on 2045 and look at what roadways necessary. To be able to build the project. And so we keep building on that as the projects continue to get approved within Connected City. So from this one, we looked at that. We included the April property that was already previously approved. We added this one to it. And one of the comments

   4:54:02was that we did single family. We in fact used multifamily and townhomes, which is what we're asking for. That's what was in the analysis to evaluate. What sections of road we needed, what intersection improvements are needed. And from that standpoint, we didn't need that segment of uh Kenton from Elam to Overpass. Agree ultimately that in the model and in the long range plant that's needed and I agree with uh Mr. Hobby that if there's a way to get that done and we're working with a number of developers within Connected

   4:54:33City that may be able to get something done there. But right now, as part of this project, it was not needed. We we did are adding turn lanes at Elam and and Kenton in order to make that work as an unsignalized intersection. But it did operate acceptable level of service from that standpoint. Uh one of the other things that that came out was uh the Epperson Overpass intersection. Just to let you know that we've already actually submitted the signal plans for that. Uh the uh developers hired a contractor and we're working as fast as we can with your staff

   4:55:03to get that one signalized as soon as we can. And

   MarianoChair

   4:55:05that's Epperson and Epperson

   Henry

   4:55:07Epperson and Overpass. Okay. So that that's being done. So um then the um As far as the hu the four hundred and fifty homes at a stop sign, I I've I've been doing this for thirty years. I've I've never heard that that criteria for a stop sign. We we ha we use the uh highway capacity manual software to look at that which is the federal guidelines to look at what what geometry is needed and what level of service are the intersections, and that's what your staff looks at too when you look at these intersections.

   MarianoChair

   4:55:35Federal guidelines, what could go wrong? Yeah.

   Henry

   4:55:39Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:55:44Commissioner's just one last thing. I I I I hate to be like this, but I just want to make it very clear. This property in this area has never been in a rural plan. People keep saying that. It's not true. I was here, I've been involved in all the comp plan stuff. This was never in a rural area. And even if it was, the legislature changed the rules in. 2015 and we adopted comp plan policies six years ago and we have to follow those.

   4:56:15We're doing the right thing here and you're going to see a project that you're proud of. Like I said, Michelle, the guy that you all met. Wants to do a quality project that's lacking in Connected City that we believe is going to be a focal point on bring community together. We need that in this area. So I think this is going to be a great project. And uh you know I'm happy to answer any other questions you might have, but I think that it's entirely appropriate that the board support it at this point.

   MarianoChair

   4:56:43Any questions, Ms. Dobby?

   Starkey

   4:56:45How many um how many units are going in here?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:56:48Uh well I that's a little bit influx, but I think it's eight hundred was under the traffic study, which was a combination of apartments and townhouses. As we t as we said I think publicly, we would likely convert a number of the apartment uh units for retail, which we're allowed to do under the land use equivalency matrix because we're going to need more retail up at the top of the project. So that's

   4:57:18where Michelle's mindset is up in that area.

   Starkey

   4:57:22Well I guess I'm gonna say the same thing again. Do we does it have to be apartments? Can it be another form of multi use?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:57:30Well yes it can be. It's it could it can be town I mean that's not the only thing it could be, Commissioner. I'm just telling you that's what the traffic study said. Up in the northern area that's called partial two. And let me find the list of uses it could be up there. FYI, the retail uses are extremely limited. There's a bunch of stuff that you all wouldn't want, car dealerships and all that kind of stuff. Stuff can't be in the retail area, so it's going to be the kind of retail uses you want. And partial two, you

   4:58:00can have villas, townhomes, row houses, commercial retail, apartments, and then the service-ready site acreage, which includes Commissioner Starkey. Vertically mixed use stuff is allowed. You just can't in the service-ready site acreage have first floor-only retail. That's what it basically prohibits.

   Starkey

   4:58:23And I'm just just wishing that someone would come in I think I know who the user is and I don't think they do that, but I wish that we'd see garden homes, uh a walkable community that has something with front porches and tree lined streets and set

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:58:42up Commissioner. I I I understand lots Commissioner, I understand, but just again that's why we brought in someone who's got an urban background to help with all that stuff and they're going to be our development partner. That's why they're there. That's

   Starkey

   4:58:56on the north, right?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:58:57No, they're gonna be the development partner on everything.

   Starkey

   4:59:00Oh, okay. I thought they would just take a little

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:59:01bit of no th he's primarily interested in the retail 'cause it's that's his background, but he's gonna be our partner on everything.

   OakleyVice Chair

   4:59:07On the northern piece, you're gonna have um commercial use along with some apartments, whatever, on both sides of the road up there.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:59:18If if it's split, yes, and and we have to have the office up there as well.

   MarianoChair

   4:59:22Right. Okay. So I I will say I'm uncomfortable with what I see that we're looking at. Right. And for the reasons we've talked about Right. I I wanna find a way that we can tell them, look, we're gonna let you go put your single family in. Right. I want to see that we can go change the road, set the way he wants it. I want to see him put all the intensity he wants in that to upper quadrant to make that A piazza, uh whatever you want to call it. Right. But something that's gonna be the heavy duty retail with

   4:59:52the eateries and the and the r in the place to be that the people wanna come to be. Without demanding all the apartments that we'll like would say and you gotta put 'em in. I don't wanna even go there because what if they decide they walk out out this door here and they say, you know what, let's go put apartments here. It'd be crazy if we didn't 'cause we'd make more money. I would like to find a way to tell him now or as quick as possible that you can put your single family in and you can put that high intensity commercial up above with your retail, with your office and whatever residential

   5:00:22you want to put above it. Commissioner Oakley

   OakleyVice Chair

   5:00:25I think I think the issue in doing that is the fact they have a financial plan and if you change that density to a lesser density Then somebody's gotta pay more money because that changed their financial plan. Is that right? It

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   5:00:38what I've been told from staff is you You have to take this very carefully because of the considerations on the financial plan and it could create a shortfall that might result in assessments of everyone in connected state. But hold on, Commissioner. I I will say this.

   5:00:58I've heard your comments. And if the county determines that more single family detached are allowed We would have no objection on our end to having that be an allowable use in partial I believe it's partial one, uh which is the the blue one on the south side, the larger partial. I just I gotta make sure that the county The

   OakleyVice Chair

   5:01:19real issue is if it falls short on the financial end, somebody's gotta pay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   5:01:24That's right. And and so I can't just we can't we should not willy nilly just say we're gonna do that. We have to understand what w the effects could be.

   MarianoChair

   5:01:31And like I say, I know we've got a meeting coming up. Well we're gonna look at this. So we're gonna study that and it's gonna have to get looked at. We looked at it,

   OakleyVice Chair

   5:01:38but the same thing and V OPH has the same issue. They have a financial plan too. You change densities, then you change their financial plan and everybody if you're in a already have your entitlements, you could be paying more for those if you reduce them somewhere else. That money's gotta be spread over the entire development.

   MarianoChair

   5:01:58And Commissioner Oakley, we actually did that at the OPH. They actually had they decided they didn't have enough money, they came back, they said we're gonna charge more money so we can get what we need. But I think it's so important for us, just let's face it, who knew It was gonna be this hot for growth every step of the way, right? And it's it's it's a great problem to have. But let's think about so let's think about how to solve it. There's some things that in here that V that V O P H and Connected Cities I'm not going to be able to fix in time. that doesn't impact these residents tremendously.

   5:02:29Now we've got an MST you are coming up with roads that could help. You've got money in there, again, your hospital right across the way that you could say for economic development. You could say you want to build this E to replace and to get that, you need to have that uh that help as well. There's sources to way to find the funding to make these other connections, and I'll say the Southern Connection and then the McKendry one to the to the north. I'm okay with looking other sources to fund it. Not even from from waiting for connected cities. And and we should do that because

   5:02:59we got a great we got two awesome plans, like talking to our engineer, county engineer Nick. He says, man, I sa I don't know how to deal with the V OPH and this here, you got special rules here, special rules there. 'Cause he's never seen that before. This is great creative development, but again, after twenty uh eighteen years needs to get looked at again, maybe needs to be tweaked again. But I think we as a commission have got enough great things going on with other things going around the area that we should look to find a way to make these things work. So connected cities can build the

   5:03:29best product that's good for the area. Not just for the initial plan, but what's best for the area. And the same thing for our citizens all around it. And we can do that but And I'm flexible with it to to find the other sources. We need to make these connections to make it better so every day I reson for in better shape.

   5:03:47I mean we've seen great great traffic studies, but guess what? Reality is reality. We can look but

   OakleyVice Chair

   5:03:53concerned about who's gonna pay that extra

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   5:03:54buy. May may I offer something so uh a couple of thoughts here on this. Uh number one, uh we work with your staff every day and as you've heard, this has been a two year process to get to here, and we're trying to be responsive to staff's understanding what the planning vision is for the area. So I don't want to undercut them and I know Brad in particular feels very strongly that this area shouldn't have single family detached. And so I just want you all to understand that in the spirit

   5:04:24of full disclosure. However, you all know I do a lot of work for DR Horton, and DR Horton is one of the largest single-family detached home builders in the country. We do not object to having the ability on the larger partial to the south is partial one from having the option. So having said that, I did create language that I could read in that would allow that to be a possibility if the board determines, based on this study you're talking about,

   5:04:55that more single family detached might be available in Connected City. So is it proper for me to read this into the record as a potential condition to allow it?

   MarianoChair

   5:05:07I I definitely want to hear it. Um I'd love to put it in and if you can put a timeline to give us to make it available Maybe that puts the urgency we need to make that happen too.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   5:05:17Right, okay. And and maybe what we would do in Yeah, I know. I got that. So I think what I would add in condition number thirty seven. where it presently ends, i I would add the following language. Notwithstanding the foregoing, If additional single family detached units become available for construction in Connected City, prior to the issuance of the first preliminary development plan, slash preliminary site

   5:05:47plan, in partial one, Single family detached units shall be in allowed use and partial one, and in such event the applicant developer may submit a non substantial modification to the MPUD to provide for the conditions for the same, But in any event, forty five and fifty five foot wide lots shall be specifically allowed, subject to the applicant developer's compliance with the requirements of PD

   5:06:18D Memo PM twenty six. concerning such forty-five and fifty-five foot wide lots. That's the memo you just adopted with the most regulations in it. And then we need to add one other thing in speaking with David and Steve Henry. The non substantial modification shall include Modifications to the Loom or Land Use Equivalency Matrix to allow the conversion of the approved multifamily and townhouse

   5:06:49units to single family detached.

   5:06:53I know it's a mouthful, but if you all determine that there are more single family detached units out there, this would give us the option of doing it and converting some of our entitlements for those purposes on partial one.

   MarianoChair

   5:07:06Or if we allow the creation of the

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   5:07:09you see where I'm going with it. If it if you don't if don't if there aren't any and they're adverse financial plan considerations, we won't do it. We'll build what staff told us we had to build. Well we gotta go through that study.

   MarianoChair

   5:07:23Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   5:07:28I think it's a smart thing to do. I mean it's the it's within the board's purview.

   MarianoChair

   5:07:31I think we've got flexibility. That's why people elected us to make these decisions and we got we got plans that we can adjust and I think if we work together to look at 'em, it's worth it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   5:07:42Okay. Well if you all make a motion if you would please include that language to achieve you know meet your objectives.

   MarianoChair

   5:07:49Any other questions for the applicant or staff?

   OakleyVice Chair

   5:07:53No. Well I'll make a motion to include that verbiage he just had. So if we can get a copy of that.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   5:08:00Yeah, I'll get it for it. Okay. Thank you. All

   OakleyVice Chair

   5:08:02right.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:08:03Second.

   MarianoChair

   5:08:04Okay. Any further discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:08:10That's an approval of the project as modified. As modified with Okay.

   OakleyVice Chair

   5:08:17If it works. If it doesn't work, we're still with the same project. Yeah.

   MarianoChair

   5:08:29No, just I appreciate that. P uh uh P one oh five we approved today as carried out.