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1. 1Jan 9, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP70Public hearingApproved

   Approved minutes

   Approved Staff’s recommendation including additional language in the Condition that has to do with the applicant not seeking the tax exemption for Live Local for this project with Commissioner Bradford absent from the vote.

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   Ron OakleyChair

   1:36:45Yeah.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:36:49You hearing that, Mike? Mike, are you getting any any news? Nothing yet. My staff told me there's trees down last time.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:37:02Okay, we're on P seventy.

   Gavin Covey

   1:37:03Commissioner Starkey, did you want a full presentation for me or did you want uh me and Joel to answer any questions for you?

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:37:09Um well what I was wondering was Can you know, like the discussion we just had this morning or earlier, sorry. Um how How is this relating to the property around it? Say again? Well is it gonna be This this is a multifamily, right?

   Joel

   1:37:27Well it's some of both Joel II 4700 Ridgeview Road, Palm Harbor for the applicant. This is in Village C. It has both town, it has a townhome section and a multifamily section. It is bisected by the New Clinton Avenue extension. So you've got one parcel on the north side, one on the south side, and it is just adjacent, just almost adjacent to what will be the new

   1:37:57Hancart Road. intersection because Mr. Galvin is building Hancart Road up to the new Clinton Avenue extension. Okay. So even even though it looks like it's sitting in the middle of nowhere, no now it's actually going to be at the intersection of Clinton Avenue and Hancart.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:38:15So you know when I see McCabe I forget that that's Clinton.

   Joel

   1:38:18That's the new extension. So when you drive over here on that extension, you literally drive through the center of this property and there'll be a segment on the north that will have access off New Hancart. and the segment on the south will have access off Clinton Avenue. And so it's both town homes and multifamily. It's in the village it's in the neighborhood core and the neighborhood general, so the density is there to support The plan density's already there to support this. But actually even though it has apartments,

   1:38:49when you do the math, it's ninety acres with five hundred and twenty three units. I did the math this morning, it's only five point eight units per acre. Well I'm

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:38:58not I'm not I I'm not sure. So it's not

   Joel

   1:39:00it's not terribly dense?

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:39:01I have no problem with the density. Okay. I just want to know how it's gonna feel. Is it gonna be um connected to the properties around it. It has to

   Joel

   1:39:10be see everything out there kinda like what we did. Everything in V OPH has to have cross connects Per the code. And per the VOPH plan, unless you, the Board of County Commissioners agreed to delete any of those cross connects. And that actually has to be a variation that you approve. I mean we go through those every time. So unless somebody stands up here and asks you to delete a cross-connect and shows you the wetland or whatever reason it is that

   1:39:41they think they can't connect, those connections are required. I mean Brad can answer that, but when the when the preliminary plan and the site plan come in, they're gonna have to show staff that that cross connect unless you've waived it. Alright, so will the buildings be pulled up

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:39:58to these

   Joel

   1:39:58roads that are going through it? There is there is no

   1:40:05Developer Builder. I mean there is no pre existing plan. See we're at the zoning stage. So until there's a preliminary plan and proposed construction plans, that whole design is not done. Okay, so I have one more question. If

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:40:20this is this is on Clinton New Yeah, the extension. And uh and our trail uh the the trail stopped on which road?

   1:40:32Where did the where did the trail stop? The county had D O T stop it. What was what's that north south road? It's not Prospect Prospect King. No. What's the r what's the big north south road west of Prospect? Carly. So this is east of Purley? Yes. This is where we have to figure out how we're gonna put that trail, missing trail back in. So Uh Where is Prospect on this? Because it's

   Joel

   1:41:01east. Prospect is east. This is between

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:41:04Curley and Prospect. Okay, so then on this section they're putting the trail in on the north side. DOT's gonna come back in and put it on the north side. Okay. And then once we get to prospect, I think they told me they're gonna have to put it in on the south side.

   Joel

   1:41:19I think that's what you said at a prior meeting.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:41:21Yeah. So I just want to make sure that there's right away here

   Joel

   1:41:26Uh Well that Clinton Avenue right away is quite substantial. I I

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:41:30think that DOT has the right

   Joel

   1:41:32of way already. That's what we were told until they get to at least a prospect. Yeah.

   Mary Mcknight

   1:41:42Mr. Chairman M

   Joel

   1:41:43Yeah, it was just pointed out to me that in condition number twenty six you've already apparently extracted ten more feet of right away from us on the landscape. So congr congratulations. We can

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:41:54put some shade trees on there.

   Joel

   1:41:56I won't file a Namekus I won't find a Mikas brief with the pending US Supreme Court case on that subject. And if you I'll let you know

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:42:03if you were still acting as a lawyer object to the condition. I

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:42:08think Mr. Waven had a question over here.

   Seth Weightman

   1:42:10Thank you. Just to appreciate what side of the road is multifamily on 'cause this is one of the highest points on the new State Road fifty two. Beautiful. Oh really? Oh, I depending on what side the multifamily's on, I'd hate to see the South side. of this project. There's a hayfield there now. I mean the view the views there are just fantastic as you guys don't go over. And you see that end up with multifamily potential multifamily concerns.

   Joel

   1:42:39Even though the plan already allows that density in that village center? I'm just asking what side of the road is going to be. Uh I believe the current plan contemplates the townhomes on the north side due to that topography that you mentioned. The north side would be going down. Well the north side is contemplated for townhomes and the south side for multifamily and that's where the density is allowed under the plan. So that would protect your view? Right?

   Seth Weightman

   1:43:04Looking north?

   1:43:08The apartments will be going down the hill and the town homes will be on the south side, uphill overlooking.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:43:14No, north side. Didn't you say the town homes

   Joel

   1:43:16are on the north side? Correct.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:43:17Yeah. Oh wow.

   Joel

   1:43:18And it makes those multifamily buildings look shorter if they're below you than if they're b above you. Okay.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:43:25Okay. Mr. Two, can you just confirm for the record that you were sworn? I was sworn. Thank you. Thank you for reminding

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:43:31me.

   1:43:32It's a compliment

   Joel

   1:43:33amendment. Any anything else? Commissioner Starkey?

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:43:37No, I just wanted to um I just wanna be sure where Talking about an emphasizing seventy.

   Joel

   1:43:48And that's why, as I said on the earlier plan amendment item, my suggestion is that you ask Mr. Pitos to add that to our topics Friday afternoon about how the planners and the stakeholders out there can work together to get all of you comfortable because clearly you're all uneasy. Right.

   1:44:11Well I understand that. I get it. That's why I'm saying it. I i I i there needs to be a planning discussion on that topic. It's my suggestion. And I have to ask you to do that. It's very hard to do that at the Dais on zoning approvals on an ad hoc basis. It's just difficult. We

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:44:29um We we you know I keep catching s m missteps on the trails and sidewalks and so when I'm not comfortable I just have to bring it up until we get our s our our whatever we're gonna call this person in place that has their eyes on all these things.

   Joel

   1:44:47And I appreciate that and that's why I usually reach out and poke you about five days before the hearing to say these are my Mine, take a look at 'em and let me know if you have questions. Yeah. Thank you. Okay.

   Seth Weightman

   1:45:00Is this on your list for Friday?

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:45:06That's specifically my gap. Not

   Seth Weightman

   1:45:09yet.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:45:09Not yet. No. Uh right now our Friday land use round table meetings are targeted to our the Comprehensive Plan updated so

   Seth Weightman

   1:45:18Well with conversation I think the warranty

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:45:22Yeah, some of it it'll be a topic that will come up though. And we'll we will talk about it. We can have extra Friday meetings, meaning Monday through Thursday, to to talk about it with uh the different stakeholders.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:45:35I think he's saying it's not on the current agenda but it will be on a future agenda.

   Seth Weightman

   1:45:42The conversation's going to be done.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:45:45Okay. We um we finish with P70s to uh entertain a motion. P70s

   Seth Weightman

   1:45:52second.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:45:52Got a motion second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed, like, sign? Motion pass 4-0. Move on to P71.