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1. 1Jan 9, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP75Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

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   Kathryn Starkey

   2:25:56Oh my gosh. P seventy five. I didn't put my iPhone. P seventy five?

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:26:01I thought we didn't do it.

   2:26:06I thought we did do that.

   2:26:12Oh okay.

   Liam Devine

   2:26:13B seventy five. B-75, Lim Divine, Planning Development. I don't know if you want a full presentation or to jump back to Commissioner Starkey's comments. Interesting.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:26:23What the what questions?

   Liam Devine

   2:26:25This was about the sidewalks.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:26:27About the what O

   Liam Devine

   2:26:28The Sidewalks.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:26:30On which one? Seventy five. P seventy five. Yeah, but I don't yep I don't have memorized.

   Liam Devine

   2:26:35Okay, no, it's okay. I can uh go over it. P D twenty four-seven seven five two in the name of BMC um three one seven two two two two two two two two two two two two state road fifty-two L L C

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:26:48Oh, yeah.

   Liam Devine

   2:26:49Do you do you want a presentation?

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:26:51No, I just wanna make sure that we're gonna be able to have mobility

   Liam Devine

   2:26:55other than a car. So so what I I think the orange belt question was already answered by Terry Pitos that it's gonna be on the north side of fifty-two. Um for your question on if the developer would be wanting up to an eight-foot sidewalk, um I I'll let the developer uh answer that question, the applicant. But I will note that the project to the west, which our has approved site plan which is an MPUD is LEO at San Antonio. That already has a site approved site plan and that already has an approved five foot um wide sidewalk.

   2:27:26To the east is under, which is a let me show on here so we can see.

   2:27:34To the east, that's currently not highlighted in um to the red, that is a MF1 zoning district that was approved probably two years ago. Um and that is currently under site plan review and are Um reviewers have commented that they are required to put a five foot sidewalk as well. So there will be five foot sidewalks on either side. So if you require an an eight foot here, it would be an eight foot by itself.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:28:01Do we want do we wanna talk to um is that that mixed use that Mr. Landis is involved in?

   2:28:09There's two nice projects coming in there. Is this this this uh rental Was this the Rental community that's a like a village?

   Liam Devine

   2:28:18So the east?

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:28:20Yeah.

   Liam Devine

   2:28:20Yeah, so it I'm I'm not sure if it's a rental community, but it is Villa's that um connected city. It's within the connected city boundaries.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:28:28I think it's a bill to rent

   Liam Devine

   2:28:29I think so, but I'm not a hundred percent sure. sure.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:28:32Where's this at the end?

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:28:33And it has a lot of and it connects There's a commercial to the west on that corner of public school.

   Liam Devine

   2:28:43I I don't know. I know that there's commercial components to the LEO at San Antonio, so I'm not sure, but the MF One doesn't have commercial. That would be to the east.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:28:54So I just I just think we should be trying for eight foot minimum and

   2:29:03Just I think we should ask for that and if we don't use it we give it to 'em and but until we until we're a little further along we should be asking for eight. Not I'm not saying twelve, but I'd say eight.

   Mike Carballa

   2:29:15So eight foot wide sidewalks as a general rule as part of our standard section?

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:29:20Just until we we know what's going on here. You know, two two people pushing a baby stroller can't do it on a five foot sidewalk.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:29:29Sure.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:29:30I think that's the minimum we should be having.

   Mike Carballa

   2:29:37I mean but there's a plan for a trail on the other side of the road which would accommodate that, provided they can safely cross to go there, so I'm Just trying to balance this out in terms of

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:29:47So where where does it access here? Where's the trail coming in? Here?

   Mike Carballa

   2:29:52I'd have to defer to staff on uh I just know it's along the north side. Nick?

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:29:56I'm just saying where where the I know it's a proposed route, but can you put that proposed route up that you just sent a press release out on? Who's got that press release from last week?

   Sun Coast

   2:30:09I can describe it. And

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:30:20'Cause I don't I don't have this area m memorized. I know there that it comes along the target.

   Sun Coast

   2:30:26The

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:30:26trail comes onto

   Sun Coast

   2:30:27the city road fifty or county road fifty corridor right here at this corner from the northwest. And then it would run along the County Road 52 on the north side all the way east across Across the property front.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:30:41And w and we're sure it's gonna be on the north and not the south.

   Sun Coast

   2:30:46Sure, until we present it to the commission in m March for a final vote. So your plan right

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:30:53now is to be on the north

   Sun Coast

   2:30:54side, not on the south? The the recommended alternative is a twelve foot paved trail on the north side of County Road fifty two within these limits.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:31:04All right, if you guys if you guys are happy with five play.

   2:31:10What

   Seth Weightman

   2:31:10Chairman Mariano? Inner Inner or Chairman Mariano?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:31:15May I as the applicant to say anything?

   Seth Weightman

   2:31:18Not

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:31:18yet.

   Seth Weightman

   2:31:18We'll get to you. I was gonna have a question because and we're supposed to be doing the auto in Connected City, right? Of how much what the entitlements are left and how much only entitlements left are multifamily and it's high density. So because of that I guess Ms. Woolhead talked, but because of the volume of of people and likely people on foot moving around Um Tend to agree with the direction Commissioner Starkey's

   2:31:49going. Just because the volume of potential that we've been making. I'm sorry.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:31:53Barbara Willheight, [address removed]. This is an amendment. to a voluntary deed restriction for a property that you already zoned C two. We are so far away from what you all are talking about with changing a voluntary voluntary deed restriction on this property in connection with a self-storage facility we want to be able to have RV and boat storage interior to a self-storage facility. That's where what

   2:32:23we're doing. This is not a new zoning. This is so that we can have RV and boat storage interior to a storage facility. You've heard that both on our west and our east you already got plans in for five foot sidewalks side sidewalks. Your code says five foot sidewalks. Denise said she's working on something regarding public regarding neighborhood no notices. Tell her to change the code by foot to something else. So we don't have to keep doing this. each time we come up here. Um Barbara, what is the

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:32:52commercial on the front of this storage facility?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:32:54We have to do so in our deed restriction what we already agreed to to get C two zoning We agree to a minimum of ten thousand square feet of office uses along our frontage. There's a whole list of them. We prohibited car washes, gas stations, drive-through restaurants, standalone recreational vehicle and boat storage, standalone. Um No commercial vehicles, no commercially related equipment. We agreed that our self storage would be fit tw two hundred and fifty feet back from the county road uh Fifty two right of way. We

   2:33:25agreed that we would do a stub out to the west to be able to accommodate golf cart and low speed vehicle interconnectivity to the property to the west. And all we're standing here asking you to do is to change our voluntary deed restrictions so we can have RV and boat storage interior to our self storage facilities, which I own both RVs and boats and You need more of those. And the fact that you've got it where we've designed it now, that we're setting back our storage facility off of fifty-two, putting a minimum requirement of ten thousand square foot office on

   2:33:55fifty-two. And then saying we'll any boat storage has to be interior, you have over regulated this piece of property. in a fine manner and I think you'll be proud of how it looks. But to tell them now after all of that now your neighbors are gonna have five foot sidewalks complying with the code and because you want to change your voluntary deed restriction now you have to do eight feet, I think that's just going a little far. But you can change your code. And if they come in for a site plan after your code gets changed, then they'll be eight feet. But I'd I'd

   2:34:25ask you not to do this to this applicant. Um they went way above and beyond, I haven't seen a deed restriction like this yet, to make sure that you were gonna have something quality on fifty-two next to the other project, which yes, that's Mr. Landis's project to the west, and that's why we have to have that golf cart connectivity to our office.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:34:46Well, I'd I'd hate to if if S Leo at San Antonio M P D is willing to put a eight foot sidewalk in.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:34:54Cool.

   2:34:57They're already approved. They have no construction plans.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:35:00Just because they're approved doesn't mean they don't I mean are they already in instruction?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:35:08I have no idea.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:35:10And and and um I guess this is kind of an a county engineer question. Since that road changed from a state road to a county road Is there any room on that width to

   2:35:25move some of that width to accommodate a wider sidewalk?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:35:31Right of way is the right of way. Whatever it is.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:35:33Yeah, but can the lanes is it it a s short is it a slower speed so the lanes don't need to be as wide?

   2:35:44I mean I just saw just wondering if if rules change in the engineering world for all of the same standards. Yeah.

   Sun Coast

   2:35:54We're certainly willing to look into it. But but I think your administrator's right. The uh design standards that we follow are consistent with the state's design standards.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:36:04I'm not sure that's what I was asking. Um, if i i are there different design standards for a high speed state road versus what should be a lower speed county road that's now a more neighborhood road, right? I mean it's not you don't anticipate the same kind of traffic that or speed that would be on Clinton that would be on Old County. County Administrator. So What is the speed limit on County

   2:36:35Road 52?

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:36:37Uh depends

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:36:37on where

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:36:38you're

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:36:38at. Will it change? I mean, will any of these people ever be able to do that? I would just

   Mike Carballa

   2:36:42caution you on that line of thought, Commissioner, because most drivers will drive what they're comfortable driving on a road. And if that was

   2:36:48the same thing,

   2:36:50geometrically it was designed for a faster speed, I'm sure, and so drivers will probably drive. So, you know, to the county attorney's point, the right of way is the right of way. So

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:36:59Well, that's that's my point. And I recall when we were having a discussion at the very beginning of laying out Orange Belt Trail and wondering if since we're gonna have a new county road versus a state road, um would there be right-of-way sufficient? And I mean we would want to slow down that road if it's more neighborhood traffic anyway, right? So A narrower road slows traffic down, right? So

   2:37:30maybe there's a few years.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:37:35Coming up up to Happy Hill from Dade City on that road is is slower.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:37:42at some point. 'Cause then it can have golf carts on it.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:37:46But there's certain areas they're gonna that slow it down. There's lights in there and around Saint Leo, there's lights between there and Happy Hill and Prospect. I mean there's

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:37:55I'm just there's a lot of stuff coming in there. You may you may have a lot more people getting around other than getting in their car and driving. That's my that's my point.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:38:06Yeah, we just have to look into it because today we're in a state of emergency and we need to finish these items up so we can send people home.

   Jack Mariano

   2:38:14Mr. Chairman Mariano, this this uh s this site was designed to be a professional office. Now we're changing the cell storage. It's supposed to be white? Professional office.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:38:27No, it was zone C three is what it actually was zoned before. We changed it to C two and made all these restrictions on it. It's already zoned. We already only thing that you're being asked to do is

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:38:35this isn't this is not a zoning action. This is they're asking for their deed restriction to be amended because they had the deed restriction with the zoning. That's the only reason they're back before you.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:38:46Can can I ask you a question? What when did we start requiring boats and RVs to be in Interior. Right here.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:38:53Right here. If you approve this, this is this is your precedent. So

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:38:57is that what we're w and I'm I'm not objecting to that, but I've never seen us do that before. So is that a new

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:39:01thing that we're requiring? I I think that was just sensitivity. Obviously when you if you look at the duty restriction that was already imposed. It was a lot of thought by a bunch of people at the county, a group group of folks at the county that put their heads together and said We really want to make sure this area's done right. Put their heads together and they said, We don't want self storage on fifty two, even though it's County Road fifty two. We want to see it behind We asked the client to do a minimum amount of professional office. We don't even have you don't even see that in Euclidean districts. So and then The question was, okay,

   2:39:32with the self storage and slayer to a self storage facility, can we have R V and both? And the decision with this amendment is yes if we have an interior, so that's the history that's the history of where we've been on those.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:39:43So I'm I'm okay with this interior stuff as long as they this This isn't the only one that has to do it. I mean It's

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:39:50the only

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:39:50one.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:39:51This one's got a lot it's got a lot of things on it that they o the only one here. I mean to do it you put in zoning and have a minimum amount of of office on it. But

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:40:00my my point in what I was saying before was maybe there's a way to get to an eight foot eventually out there without having without taking it from them but going towards the fifty two state road fifty two city. County road fifty two cents.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:40:11It sounds like it's not a matter of right of way. I mean if you have right of way. These sidewalks go in your right of way.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:40:17What is that Jeff? But I've right away for a five foot, not an eight foot.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:40:21Is that what your staff said?

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:40:23That's what you said.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:40:24No, I mine's about what I'm required to put what we're required to develop in your right-of-way. Are we required we're required by code to develop five feet in your right-of-way of your s of your s for your sidewalk system. Because if you look at it,

   2:40:37the request it's

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:40:39not approval.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:40:40Guys, what do you want to do? Do you want to just leave it I mean I I I see Barbara's point. I just wish we had

   Mary Mcknight

   2:40:47I

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:40:47think

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:40:48we need to leave it and we work on this. Okay. Your findings of fact say that this is site is currently a professional office. Is that correct?

   Liam Devine

   2:41:03So currently what was on that site from the last rezoning about two years ago, and I can go to the finding effect. I think that was approved March 7, 2023, was an office. That was approved that site was originally C three and had one specific use. So that site could only be used for one thing. So nothing else than C three. Um and that was approved for a professional office for computers. So That would have been the only use previously. In March 7th, 2023, it was approved to C2

   2:41:33with the deed restriction. And then this would be amending that deed restriction.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:41:41The client is agreeable to eight feet. Eight feet feet of white. Oh the side. Oh thank

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:41:45you. All right, let's call

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:41:47it

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:41:47Mr. Landon.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:41:49I'm glad that was

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:41:53down to the grocery store and everything then. Okay. Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:41:57Yeah. Trying to get to the radar. Commissioner, would you like to make that motion?

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:42:02I would move to approve with the eight foot um with the ability to do an eight foot. I think we have need to finish and

   Sun Coast

   2:42:08use all of that.

   Liam Devine

   2:42:09Sorry, no, I was just going to clarify that would have to be in the voluntary deed restriction that would have to come back. I don't know if it would have to come back or

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:42:21We don't want her to have to come back. So whatever we have to do today,

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:42:24we're done. Figure out how we do that when we not back. We have a lot of items. Okay. So is that a motion? You've got a motion?

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:42:33Yeah, I made it.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:42:34Second. Yeah. And a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed, like, sign. We

   Unidentified speaker

   2:42:42got two like.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:42:43Pass four zero. What can we not have done?

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:42:48Seventy eight.