PDE-24-7826

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1. 1Sep 3, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP54Public hearingContinued

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   OakleyChair

   2:44:33Okay, P fifty four and it's uh been requested for continuance.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:44:38We have approved publication of this matter in the July 24th, 2024 edition of the 10th May Times.

   OakleyChair

   2:44:45Thank you, Mr. Chairman Mariano Spito's Planning, Development, Economic Growth. Item P54 is PDE 247826. This is a zoning amendment, Sun Coast Lakes MPUD. It's a request, uh a rezoning request from MPUD to an MPUD to allow modification. to the previously approved MPD to reflect memorialized and approved subsequent revisions on four hundred and eighty-three and a half acres. This is a request to continue to a date on certain.

   OakleyChair

   2:45:16When's the date? Date uncertain.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:45:19Oh uncertain. Move to approve the continuance.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:45:23Move to continue to a date uncertain.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:45:25Move to continue to a date uncertain.

   OakleyChair

   2:45:26Second.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:45:27We

   OakleyChair

   2:45:27got a motion, we got a second. Is this roll call or not? No. Not for the

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:45:32continuing.

   OakleyChair

   2:45:33All those in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed, laxing. Say none. Uh 5-0 vote passed. It's okay.

   2:45:48And this is the start of our consent items.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:45:51We approved publication of this item in the July twenty fourth, twenty twenty four edition of the Tampa Bay Times, uh supplemented by an affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

   OakleyChair

   2:46:04Okay.

2. 2Sep 19, 2024
   Planning CommissionPC9Public hearingApproved

   Zoning Amendment (Continuance) (Consent) – Suncoast Lakes MPUD … Planned Unit Development – Rizk Florida JV - Pasco County Planning Services Division – A Rezoning Request from an MPUD Master Planned Unit Development to an MPUD Master Planned Unit Development District to Allow a Modification to the Previously Approved MPUD Master Plan and Conditions of Approval to Reflect, Memorialize, Reflect and Approve Memorialize Subsequent Revisions Thereto on Approximately 483.5 Acres … and Central Market Areas

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   Denise

   1:17:39Mr. Chairman the following item is PC nine and that will be presented by Ms. Tammy Snyder.

   GreyChair

   1:17:45Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:17:47Good afternoon, Tammy Snyder, Planning, Development and Economic Growth.

   1:17:53I have for you today the Sun Coast Lakes M Pud PDE twenty four seventy seven twenty-six. Here is a location map. I'm sure you're all familiar with it. The proposal is a zoning amendment from MPUD to MPUD to modify the master plan and conditions to reflect and memorialize various revisions that have occurred since 2009. The south the location is the southwest corner of the intersection of State Road 52 and Silver Palm Boulevard, extending east to the Sun Coast

   1:18:23Parkway. Here's the location map.

   1:18:29the zoning map. It's M P U D and has various zoning districts around it.

   1:18:36Context map. That's big Sotoma Ranch Park.

   1:18:43Here's the proposed master plan. And this is a staff-initiated modification to ensure that all MPUD documents reflect the intent, the entitlements, and growth pattern of the MPUD, and to memorialize and approve changes to the BCC approved Sun Coast Lakes MPUD approval in 2009.

   1:19:07So there has been a few changes since 2009. Um there was a substantial modification to the Sun Coast Lakes MPUD in 2009. Um there was Uh another modification submitted approximately 2014 that for some reason didn't go anywhere and it was Just it fizzled out, kinda withdrawn. Um A subsequent non-substantial modification appeared to build off of the twenty fourteen. Not approved

   1:19:37plan. And conditions and made some non-substantial modifications. But then there was another modification after that, made some more non-substantial modifications. So long story short, we just want to clean this all up and make sure that this MPUD knows exactly what it's doing, where it's going and all that good stuff. There are some site plan approvals and some site plans under review currently. Um based on this proposed plan that we're presenting today, because it There has been the assumption

   1:20:07that it was approved. So um hopefully your agenda packet explains these changes. Basically a lot of them are just moving some stuff around so that the MPD itself makes more sense. There are is an existing area to the south that is 515 platted residential lot. They're there, nothing's happening to them. Um there's some existing commercial, it's there, nothing's happening to that. We just want to clean up the vacant spaces and make them actually more usable

   1:20:37for developers. And with that, we recommend approval with conditions.

   GreyChair

   1:20:43All right. Are there any questions? Yeah.

   1:20:48All right. Is anybody in the audience that would like to speak?

   1:20:52Please come forward with your name and address, please.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:21:04Document to submit.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:21:07Motion to receive and file. Second.

   GreyChair

   1:21:09Motion to uh receive and file, motion first and second. So all in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:21:16Paul Bibee, [address removed].

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:21:32We can help you pass them down if you want. Got it? All right. Very good.

   Unidentified speaker

   1:21:38Thank you.

   Moody

   1:21:41Excellent.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:21:55So they've added a lot of hotel on here. No They say there's not many changes, but there's about twenty changes, as you can see.

   1:22:05The red is my property. I bought it. About a decade ago. And we built our home. Took me a couple years. Built it, designed it myself for my family. Uh you see number three. Okay.

   1:22:23is now they want to put a hotel there. It was slated as office before.

   1:22:31If you look at the map where it says palm, there's like a natural bowl there in the road. All the water collects there. Sun Coast Lakes residents can't exit when there's a decent storm. My well pump goes under water. It is right by the P in Palm. It floods often.

   1:22:50There's a spring fed creek that circulates through the property and empties out onto Hallelujah Land, the Griffins.

   1:22:57Most of the residents against that. That little area. The w wetlands there, they flood into their garages when there's a good size storm. the w the roads are bad, we can't get out of there either. With all this stuff going on with the U Hall that was built. four story U Hall, which I can see from like most of my windows now in my house. It's great. They put all the drainage in near that bowl. All the retention ponds were built south into that bowl area. So now my water tables. n the

   1:23:28whole neighborhood's water table's about two and a half, three feet right now. And it's getting worse and worse. We're seeing a lot more flooding in the whole county and it's mostly in older neighborhoods like mine. I feel like if we keep building stuff there, especially a hotel on three Where's the water gonna go? It's two acres. What kind of hotel they can fit there? I don't know. The Marriott over at 54 and the toll road is on like an acre and a half. So it's doable, yes. But where's all the water gonna

   1:23:58go?

   1:24:01There's a car wash already. There's people moving because the noise is just echoing over the preserve area into our neighborhood. There's I can hear it from inside my house. I called the commissioners several times before it was built in, just asked them to turn it around the other way. Put the exit the other way. I couldn't get anybody to respond. That was during the Fitzpatrick transition to Gary. So Whatever. But my concern is the two and four, there's no There's

   1:24:31nowhere else to put retention ponds. It's just it's all retention ponds. They pumped out a natural lake. fifty yards south into a another hole, killed all the fish, everything. I b I was fishing that pond when I was like fifteen and they just moved it south fifty yards. Makes no sense. And we're running out of room and I'm running out of time. Now you got plenty of time. Well I

   GreyChair

   1:24:55keep going. Now you run out, see. I'll give you a little extra.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:24:59Well, can I ask him a question?

   GreyChair

   1:25:00Yeah, absolutely.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:25:01So You mentioned the issue With two and four, is there something Changing that's new today that wasn't approved back in two thousand eight or Nine, whenever this was originally done.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:25:22And office. From commercial. Four from commercial to office hotel. Three. It's a commercial slash hotel from office.

   Unidentified speaker

   1:25:33John, I circled everything in red that's new.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:25:36My concern is the footprint of these larger complexes. The U Hall already has four retention ponds that are massive. I don't know where they're gonna fit all this stuff, especially in that bowl. It's a substantial elevation change.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:25:55I can understand

   1:25:58There are issues. of a hotel versus commercial, maybe from a height perspective? Or one might try to claim noise perspectives. I'm trying to figure out how that changes from a stormwater f flooding perspective. If I pave an area of land, it doesn't matter whether I put a hotel on it or a shopping center or or it's just a parking lot. It's paved, it generates runoff. So that's what I'm trying to figure out. W why the stormwater

   1:26:29objection because of the change of use? Um I don't see one being developed any less intensely than than the other.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:26:40Square footage wise, I would assume that certain things take up more space.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:26:46So welcome.

   1:26:50Maybe I'm gonna ask the staff. So i if they develop a hotel or they develop a commercial Are they required to do that in accordance with for instance like the C one or the C two district standards which have certain lot coverages, that kind of thing?

   Denise

   1:27:11That would be accurate, yes. And floor

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:27:13area ratio.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:27:15and floor area ratios. So that's where I'm having a hard time drawing a distinction as to why there would be an additional stormwater. I could understand if you were trying to make a compatibility argument, but I'm just not seeing it from a stormwater. But maybe you can't.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:27:33Completely

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:27:34figured it out.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:27:36Well it's not a little bit of a

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:27:37traffic too.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:27:41John additionally on the stormwater side, you know mentioned parcels two and four and I don't frankly I don't know enough about the the status and how the stuff was designed, but if I look at where parcels two and four are, I mean that looks to me like all the stormwater's been put in place. For the development. And if I look over there by parcel three, there's a triangular parcel that's a standalone parcel that appears that was probably done. It has the same ownership. That That was done in a similar way. Now that's just my speculation, but I

   1:28:12think all the stormwater's in place is what I'm saying. Yeah.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:28:16That's just what I'm having a hard time trying to figure out. Okay, that I understand there may be a change of use argument. I'm just not seeing it from a stormwater and flooding. Correct.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:28:26The triangular retention pond that you're speaking about is on the south of three on the corner of Silver Palm there.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:28:33Right.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:28:34That floods into the creek. Which goes around and it's Built up. Massively. The sand and the runoff So it's a little bit more than a little bit. It's doing its job, but it's really not. There's one culvert That's the old metal one that goes under our road's private. So we're responsible. There's one culvert that goes underneath the road and it's metal and it's old. And that's the only thing that Transfers the water from our properties to Hallelujah

   1:29:05Lands Lake.

   GreyChair

   1:29:09So in this area where is your property?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:29:14On the map. There to the west of it. Right there. It's almost ten acres. Most of its conservation land. I was gonna say it looks like a wetland from the

   1:29:25aerial. Yes.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:29:29It's what I'd expect water to flow.

   GreyChair

   1:29:33So you access Mercot, that's how you get in and out.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:29:36Yes sir. Uh previously the Original turn in was where the uh car washes now, and we made a deal to give that up, that piece of land, and then run Murcot behind the gas station. And they paved our roads. But then they built a car wash on it. And pointed it towards the neighborhood. The blowers. So that's nice.

   GreyChair

   1:30:06Well that's something we can't undo. Yeah, I know.

   1:30:13So basically uh I think what I'm hearing from the engineers here is that Is the Based on the way they have this drainage set up. Even if they build a hotel on that property. It's not going to affect your drainage because it's not a good thing.

   1:30:34They can't build a a bigger footprint be simply because they're a hotel. It's still still still the same lot coverage, still the same setback requirements. Yeah, from the roads, from the side yards, from the back. So That the the what they build doesn't so much matter. It's what the restrictions are. So the restrictions are the same for Any building that goes there. The footprint.

   Moody

   1:31:02Well and you're gonna be buffered by that what Wetland that's there too, right? You're you're at the very southern tip of that property, right?

   1:31:12Yeah, so you just usually have Silver Palm Boulevard that's right next to the house.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:31:17Yeah, but I can walk all the way to where the hotel would be. And I have a shed up to the west side of three with just lawn tools and stuff for maintaining the creek.

   1:31:30And mowing the front of the property.

   1:31:35There's also a little ditch there that was created by some of the neighborhood guys to try to alleviate And it's probably twenty foot in diameter. And it's just like a little overflow. And it works. And they'll just since it's not Probably legal. They'll probably just fill it in. I'm assuming

   GreyChair

   1:32:02Yeah, well, you never want to assume anything but that's it. I made that mistake before.

   Moody

   1:32:08Yeah, it looks like it's looks like it's about seven hundred feet to that. Number three from the back of your house there.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:32:19Yeah, I already have the U Hall i Store, so Sitting out in my backyard looking at a hotel and a U Hall wouldn't be great.

   GreyChair

   1:32:29Well the problem is is nobody wants to build a home on on fifty two. Yeah. Yeah. So no matter what we do Somebody's gonna end up building something commercial there.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:32:41Yeah, I understand that. I just was hoping it would be like some small doctor's offices or Something like that. You know, one story. Yeah. The traffic is awful too, getting in and out of there, especially in the morning, the racetrack. Crowd. You can't even turn left on the silver palm. It's Crazy I Yeah, there's a lot of that going on

   GreyChair

   1:33:02uh all over the place, so

   1:33:08Well, any other questions for for uh Paul? It's Paul, right?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:33:12Yes, sir.

   GreyChair

   1:33:13Yeah. Appreciate you coming and stating your concerns. And uh any any other questions from from Pier? You think? Okay, thank you so much.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:33:25party affiliated with this project here, like attorneys and whatnot. Are they present?

   GreyChair

   1:33:31Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:33:37Times that are again. If I may just clarify the hotel entitlement just real quick. Um back in two thousand nine it It was just lumped into commercial. as an allowed use. Um it was further clarified because hotels we generally allocate by beds, and so like the ITE m trip manual. Well use that sort of information, they calculate the square footage and then they can do the comparison to other sorts of things. So they separated out hotel just so that it

   1:34:07could be compared to the rest of the commercial.

   GreyChair

   1:34:12Okay.

   1:34:18Right.

   1:34:21So do you have anything to answer back there?

   1:34:28Put if you just come forward, please.

   Denise

   1:34:34Mr. Chairman, Planning Commission members, I just want to make sure that you understand this is a county, a staff initiated. But he

   GreyChair

   1:34:39he I thought he wanted to say something, so I get it on the

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:34:42record. I just said that there's a traffic signal that we put in at Silver Palm and 52. So there's there shouldn't be any reason why you can't turn in and out of that property. Okay.

   GreyChair

   1:34:52All right. Very good. I just want to make sure I gave you an opportunity to speak.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:34:57Any questions from the comments? Yeah, give

   GreyChair

   1:34:59your name and address please.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:35:00Uh George Nicholas, [address removed].

   GreyChair

   1:35:06All right, George. Thank you very much. Thought you were in trouble there for a minute, huh? Well we haven't voted yet.

   1:35:17That's right. Okay, any further discussion? If not, maybe we have a motion.

   1:35:26Uh I don't

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:35:27know that whether this is number PC9.

   1:35:34Move to approve item PC nine.

   Moody

   1:35:38A second.

   GreyChair

   1:35:39Motion and a second. Any further discussion? Not all in favor signify by saying a aye. Aye opposed, like signed. Okay.