PDE-25-0174

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1. 1Apr 3, 2025
   Planning CommissionPC7Public hearingApproved

   An Ordinance Amending The Pasco County Comprehensive Plan; Plan Amendment (Consent) – CPAS23-20 SAV/Old Pasco Townhomes – Providing For A for a Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment To The to the Future Land Use Map … 2-15 And Sheet 14) From from RES-3 (Residential-3 Du/Ga) To to RES-6 (Residential-6 Du/Ga) On on Approximately 18.36 Acres Of of Real Property Located At The at the Northeast Corner Of of Old Pasco Road And and Hadlock Drive; And Providing For Additional Text Amendments As Necessary For Internal Consistency; Providing For A Repealer, Severability, And An Effective Date. Drive.

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   Approved the Public Hearing Consent Agenda which included Agenda Items PC6 and, sitting as the Local Planning Agency, approved Agenda Item PC7.

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   Moody

   21:40Alright, I'm going to move on to the consent items now. Uh this will be the last time I'm going out of order, but we're gonna go out of order one more time with item PC six first, or excuse me, item PC seven first. Um this item has a companion rezoning which is item PC six. Um Chairman I would also like to note for the record that both PC seven and PC six we did receive a late ex parte communications and it has been submitted to the clerk's office.

   22:08For item PC7, you are sitting as a local planning agency for this item, PDE 25 0174. It is a comprehensive plan amendment CPAS 2320, SAV slash old Pasco Townhomes, providing for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps 2 15 and sheet 14. Changing from Res 3, residential 3 dwelling units per gross acre to res 6 residential six dwelling units per gross acre on approximately 18.36

   22:39acres of real property located at the northeast corner of Old Pasco Road and Hadlock Drive. And we recommend the local planning agency find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   22:51Okay, is the applicant present? Is anybody here to speak on this item?

   22:58Okay, anything from up here? Everybody good? Okay.

   Moody

   23:04Item PC six is the companion rezoning to item PC seven, PDE 25-7776, a zoning amendment in the name of Old Pasco Road MPUD-SAV Home Property Excuse me, SAV property holdings LLC for a rezoning request from AR Agricultural Residential Zoning District to an MPUD Master Plan Unit Development District to allow for the development of 106 townhome dwelling units and associated

   23:34infrastructure on approximately 18.36 acres located in central Pasco County. And this is coming with a recommendation of approval from the Planning, Development, and Economic Growth Department.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   23:46Okay. The applicants present. Is there anybody here to speak on this item?

   23:54Okay.

   23:57Uh nothing else. I think that's all the consent agenda consent agenda.

   24:06Anybody?

   GirardiVice Chair

   24:10Nobody wants to approve

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   24:11another Nobody wants to approve the consent agenda.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   24:15I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   24:19All right, is there a second? All right, motion and a second. Any other discussion? All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries.

2. 2May 6, 2025
   Board of County CommissionersP39Public hearingAdopted

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   Approved to adopt.

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   StarkeyChair

   59:28Item P39, hold on, it's looking for my application. Here it is.

   59:36Item P39 was published in the Tampe Times on March 19, 2025, and affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

   Oakley

   59:46Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh item P thirty-nine is PDE 250174. This is an ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan, providing for a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map, Map 2-15, and Sheet 14, from Res 3 residential 3 dwelling units per gross acre to res six residential 6 dwelling units per gross acre on approximately 18.36 acres of real property. Located at the northeast corner of Old Pasco Road and Hadlock Drive, and providing for additional text advancements as

   1:00:16necessary for internal consistency, providing for repeal or separability and an effective date. This comes to you with a recommendation. uh from the local planning agency and the planning development economic growth department to abrove approve the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote and there's a presentation if so desired.

   StarkeyChair

   1:00:38Okay, um board members, do you want to see a presentation?

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:00:40I would like one.

   StarkeyChair

   1:00:41Okay, that's let's roll.

   Oakley

   1:00:50We'll have uh Annie Toll, principal planner.

   Amy Heiler

   1:00:58Good afternoon, Amy Toll with Planning Development and Economic Growth.

   1:01:03So today before you is the comprehensive plan amendment for Old Pasco Road. It is a small-scale plan amendment. This is the adoption hearing. The applicant is proposing an amendment from Res 3, residential three dwelling units per gross acre. to uh res 6, a residential 6 dwelling unit per gross acre to allow for 106 platted townhomes on approximately 18.36 acres. Here's the property that's located in the South Market area

   1:01:33and urban service area.

   1:01:37The subject site being located off of Old Pasco Road.

   1:01:44Here's just a context Mac to give you some perspective of what's in proximity of the area. You do have planned developments that are within a mile radius. It is also a budding rural area for, and there's two schools in proximity to the subject site.

   1:02:04This is the transportation network map. The applicant has agreed for offsite improvements. In this map, you'll notice the red area, Old Pasco Road segment from Old Mill Road to Sedgeway Boulevard. They will be designing, permitting, and constructing the four-lane roadway on that segment. It is an off-site improvement. improvement, that will be set forth in the conditions of approval in the companion MPUD. The segment that's brown to

   1:02:34the south is on the existing county's CIP.

   1:02:39Here's your existing residential three future land use.

   1:02:44And your proposed res six future line use?

   StarkeyChair

   1:02:48Press it.

   Amy Heiler

   1:02:50The proposed amendment is consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies.

   1:02:56And with that, we would recommend the proposed comprehensive plan amendment be approved and adopt by roll call vote. And I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have on the comp plan.

   Oakley

   1:03:09Okay.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:03:10The um improvements for the road going up to Old Mill Road, um, that's done as an off site improvement. Is there credits for that or are they just doing it

   Amy Heiler

   1:03:19I believe it will be subject to mobility fee credits. Applicant can answer to that so

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:03:26Barbara Bull Height, sixty three twenty seven, Graham Boulevard, New Port Richey three four six five two. This is a 106 unit project, town home project. Probably the first time I stood but before you all and had a client that would take on a project of this magnitude. We are expanding to your ultimate section, which is a four-lane section with multi-use paths. We already have all the right-way except for an easement that needs to come for a pond from the school board. But your right of ways all just sitting there waiting for this project. Because

   1:03:56there's only a hundred and six townhomes, it's a combination when the DA comes to you, um, because there's a requirement for a DA, it's gonna be a combination of credits and then the county will be putting up money to uh pay for the difference.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:04:15So how much are we expected to pay? Hmm?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:04:19I do not have an estimate. Uh maybe your county engineer does.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:04:24Is this coming before the project's built or after the project's built?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:04:28The road?

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:04:29Yes.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:04:29It's gonna come online around the same time. We do not we have not done the DA yet. Like I said, it's a pretty impressive improvement that we're taking on this small project to improve your road.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:04:42It'll be our road.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:04:45Yes.

   StarkeyChair

   1:04:49Can we go to Google Earth in front of those schools for me? Cypress Creek, high, Midland High. Um These are all front loaded. Yes, they are. Yeah. Not my favorite. I've and I've let a lot of the folks that come in front of me know that I'm kinda like putting a little stake in the ground in in in in the Trinity Odessa area at least in the fifty six fifty fifty four area that I'm

   1:05:19not gonna vote for any front loaded town homes. I mean unless Unless you're if you're doing a development and that and there's no way to get to the back on the edge or s or some part of it, but I just s I just can't take 'em anymore in in that area. If y'all want 'em in your districts. Thank you. I just don't

   Oakley

   1:05:41think they the school they're showing Cypress Creek.

   StarkeyChair

   1:05:44Well what I want to show you here is really a frustration to me that um and I appreciate that they're working on the multi use, but the school district does not even put in their cyclock. And I just think we gotta make sure that when the schools are building their complexes, the sidewalks need to be built along with them.

   Mike Carballa

   1:06:05So I have a great conversation with the new superintendent and um you know uh we all are in agreement that future schools we need to make sure that we're taking care of these vital pedestrian resources.

   StarkeyChair

   1:06:16Well when are they coming in and fixing this one? Because that road's getting

   Mike Carballa

   1:06:19busy. We didn't discuss existing and I think this would be taken care of with the school. This project

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:06:25plans on taking care of that issue. You're building the school sidewalk? We are building a Four lane. Your ultimate section of Old Pasco Road from the school, which is Sedgeway, all past this project to Old Mill. And your four lane cross section includes the continuation of the sidewalks and multi-use path. I think it might even be a multi-use path on both sides.

   StarkeyChair

   1:06:46Well

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:06:46it'd

   StarkeyChair

   1:06:47be a nice school district because I d pretty sure David can tell me if I'm wrong or not that they're responsible for the infrastructure on their property and that includes the sidewalk.

   Mike Carballa

   1:06:59I don't think there's any disagreement at this point with this

   StarkeyChair

   1:07:02administration.

   1:07:06The kids walking and us making it safe for their kids, but they need to make their campuses safe so w then when we get the sidewalk to their property that once they get on the property They can get into their school safely. Or uh or across it. So

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:07:23we would all concur on that too, but we're trying to help sh help solve the problems that exist. I can tell you that the project at Old Mill and Old Pasco has a sidewalk improvement that they agreed to off-site down to the schools on the west side. The county engineer had some foresight when he wrote that condition with us on that project and it basically says if somebody else comes along to construct the road, there's a cash out, a couple hundred thousand dollars I'm pretty as I recall. So there will be money coming from that project. towards this project. So it's

   1:07:53a you know it's just a cube we're trying to put together projects and have them do what they can do and as well as the county to get some of these roads done for you.

   Mike Carballa

   1:08:04Commissioner, I think it's it's just a it's a good it's a good way to get these infrastructure projects done in in in parallel here with development. So you're you're only messing with things one time. So Yeah, I think it's kind of

   1:08:16a good approach. You can go back to your presentation.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:08:21If you look at where that picture is right now, look down right below though. There's a road going up and down. They're not connecting 'cause the neighborhood didn't want them to connect.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:08:29What where where

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:08:30are you

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:08:30speaking?

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:08:31Uh someone Cadlock.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:08:33Would that be Cadlock Commissioner?

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:08:34Yeah. Yes. So they don't want to connect there, but Just like we just saw earlier the earlier today at Epperson. There's gonna be something probably coming from there or coming from the back. Where's Hadlock?

   StarkeyChair

   1:08:45I don't know where that is.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:08:47Yeah, we can it's back up right there.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:08:50Right, right that road that goes east west right to there. That's Hadlock. And that goes

   StarkeyChair

   1:08:54back to the baseball it does. Okay. Yeah. It's a dirt road if I remember I've driven it.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:08:59Right. So down the road there may be some connections. But right now if you don't set up where they could access Yeah. Had Lock Road from one of those spots or we actually did that work. You did that? Okay.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:09:08We did that work, Mr. Yes. So we spotted that issue as well and we worked with your county engineer and we have to accommodate all the tr any of the traffic from anybody that develops around us, whether it's to our north or to our east. We have to bring them through ours. We had to do an extra improvement of where our road intersects with Old Pasco, our entrance. We had to do a larger entrance to accommodate that traffic.

   1:09:37So we did that work as well. We work did the work that work as well for you. Because in your P D and E headlock was the intersection in that P D and E, so we had to make this the intersection because that's a private road, dirt road. Um there's no ability to improve that road because a bunch of people have interest. But we did do that work as well.

   StarkeyChair

   1:09:55So that's that um road that's that access you have on the east part of your Development.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:10:01The east, the north, and then we have a I see it to the north. And then we have a improved

   1:10:08access way, you know, onto Old Pasco. to accommodate that future traffic coming through our project because Hadlock is you can't use Hadlock because it's private and it's dirt. So we did that work as well. We we've been working on this room for a bit.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:10:22Alright, so your east west road that's gonna go to connect Old Pasco was gonna be able to s suffice to things behind it.

   StarkeyChair

   1:10:28That's correct.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:10:29Okay.

   StarkeyChair

   1:10:29That's correct, Commissioner. And we and the people who moved there

   1:10:37Oh, that road's continuing. I didn't know it was gonna continue and then s whoever's getting to that property On the east side of them. Yeah, they're gonna come right

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:10:46down that road. So there will be like stub outs in place to show Something's gonna connect up.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:10:51We have to do a stub out to our east and a stub out to our north and as well as put public access easement over our road.

   StarkeyChair

   1:10:58Okay.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:10:59So that's uh so that's taken care of as well.

   StarkeyChair

   1:11:02Okay, I I did have a question. Okay now. Do you guys have any questions? Oh I know what it was 'cause I see your traffic engineer s is there. Um question. Um

   1:11:15And and uh so Uh this road getting widened it's gonna be able to handle this traffic. Fine.

   Henry

   1:11:23Yes. Steve Henry Links and searches. Yes, we did the traffic analysis for the project and yes, it will be able to handle the traffic.

   StarkeyChair

   1:11:29Okay, question on what happened this morning, 'cause I know you were here. Um when when you do traffic analysis, do you not look at future developments that are coming in or do you only look at what's there? for the moment.

   Henry

   1:11:42No, we we we do it a couple different ways. So w one when when we started we we have a methodology. So we'll we'll look at One, what is the historical growth in the area? So we'll in this case we pulled counts, historical counts on Old Pasco Road, on 52, and on 54. And so we look at the growth in the area and look at what that growth rate is. And if that growth rate is less than 2%, we'll use the minimum that your code requires of a 2% growth. If it's higher

   1:12:12than that, That we use that. So we try to use the historical. In some instances, and like on Hudson, where there wasn't much traffic, so even if we used a 2% growth, it wouldn't estimate what was really going to be there. We'll use actual traffic studies that have been done in the area and add that traffic to it. So it's a combination, it depends on the area, and we look at you know what if that growth rate really is giving us what that future volume.

   1:12:40what we do is we have a minimum of a six year build out. Even though this project may build out in two years or three years. in our traffic study we use a six year build out to again to grow the traffic up even more than than what we might see at the actual build out of the project. So it it's it's not one way to do it. We we look at kinda look at the area and come up with what the best mechanism is to estimate what that future growth might be. Interesting. Commissioner Yeager.

   Yeager

   1:13:06Do you have a rendering of what like where the stub outs are are gonna be like what That'll look like

   Mike Carballa

   1:13:12I think

   Yeager

   1:13:12that's

   Mike Carballa

   1:13:12in your M P D item, correct?

   Yeager

   1:13:14I'll be honest, I'm the only my concern is, you know, we'll take you know, Rangeland right now. Like the developer didn't tell tell the future residents that you know there was gonna be a road there and now we

   StarkeyChair

   1:13:26Oh I don't think that's true. And I know the developer

   Yeager

   1:13:30Well, that's what I was told. Anyway, I just want to make sure that like the the people buying in there

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:13:37We can add a condition if you make it part of your motion that that disclosure happens and I can add that to our condition later.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:13:43You're at small scale amendment.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:13:47In the M P D motion. Assuming that you approved the complaint amendment. Thank you. Yes, I get all wrapped up in my M PD stuff, so.

   Yeager

   1:13:56I just want to make sure, you know, moving forward when we look at these projects that we're thinking ahead.

   StarkeyChair

   1:14:00Commissioner Oakley, did what he say match with what you were thinking?

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:14:07He doesn't know what's coming behind him. He doesn't know if there's four or five other developments and those I don't think are calculated in if they're not approved, correct?

   Henry

   1:14:15Cr correct. That's why we use a growth rate. That's why we look h historical growth. But you're using

   StarkeyChair

   1:14:20two percent for historical growth?

   Henry

   1:14:21Well no, what we do is we we we pull the the counts. The DOT has counts on every roadway. We pull the historical counts. In this case again, it was Pasco Road, fifty-two, fifty-four. We look at that. If that growth that historical growth rate is less than two percent, we use two percent. If it's more than two percent and we're seeing an area growing faster, we use that growth rate. So that's just the In your code it says you use the historical growth rate or two percent at a minimum. So

   1:14:52that's what we use. And again, in some areas where because the existing traffic is so low, we may then use the actual traffic studies because the traffic is low and is not going to estimate what that future growth is.

   StarkeyChair

   1:15:04Do you look at Bieber numbers or no?

   Henry

   1:15:07Uh we we do not. We we we just look at at the historical growth in the area is what we w typically use.

   StarkeyChair

   1:15:13Okay, that was my question.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:15:16So Madam Chair?

   StarkeyChair

   1:15:18Probably. Uh excuse me one second. Go ahead.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:15:21So so as you as you're hearing, they're not calculating those other things coming behind it. Which is important to realize that they don't factor that in.

   Henry

   1:15:29Well no, I I think that's we we do. That that is what the growth rate is supposed to do. The growth rate and what we do is we take the the the growth the existing traffic. So we'll go out and do existing counts. And then we grow it up. Two percent. Two percent. Or or whatever that growth rate may the historical growth rate in the area may be. It may be three percent. But but the

   StarkeyChair

   1:15:47growth but in that area there may not be any development and then you've got a you know one thousand unit thing coming in down the street, but at two percent you're not gonna catch it.

   Henry

   1:15:59then they will have to do a traffic study to evaluate what their impact. So you're right. If there's a large project that happens to come in just down the street and it's a thousand units You're correct. We we may not capture that in our analysis, but When they come in to do their analysis They will capture our traffic plus that growth. So it so it is a it it's a cumulative effect. We can't

   1:16:25Because lots of

   StarkeyChair

   1:16:25times developments may get approved, but they never they don't happen.

   Henry

   1:16:30Many many do. And that's why historically and just do you know years and years ago. we would have to include every project that ever got built. Or everyone approved approved. Not the same thing. Uh many of those and you we can go back and look at some of these now that still haven't built. So that's when the county came up with the growth rate to look at historical to try to come up with a better estimation of what the the future traffic may be for these projects as opposed to adding in every

   1:17:00approved project that there is.

   StarkeyChair

   1:17:02Well it would be interesting to know considering our fast growth rate if that formula is the right formula for us today. Just curious.

   Henry

   1:17:11Five hundred fifty four.

   StarkeyChair

   1:17:13Um okay. So

   Henry

   1:17:14and actually to be honest with you, we've j we just unfi you speak of fifty four. We we've just completed some a and a series of new counts out there. And in fact we're seeing a decrease in traffic in the last five years on fifty four. Believe it or not, there's actually been a decrease in traffic bec and part of that is Rangeland's gone in. Ridge Road has gone in and so we did counts before Rangeland and before Ridge and now we're seeing an actual decrease in traffic on fifty four because

   1:17:45of now not to say that that's not going to Come back. But we are seeing based on historical volumes that we have done. We've done counts over the last twenty years on on fifty four and and the last series because of those roads opening up we have seen a decrease in traffic

   StarkeyChair

   1:18:02I I was actually driving on it the other day in the afternoon and it was I was like the only car on there and I I was just shocked.

   Henry

   1:18:08It was

   StarkeyChair

   1:18:09shocking.

   Henry

   1:18:12But when we're we're doing new traffic 64, we still add that growth rate to it, even though we see a decrease. We we're still adding that growth rate to it.

   StarkeyChair

   1:18:19All

   1:18:19right,

   1:18:19well let me uh see if there's anyone that wants to speak to this project in the public. Against this project? Okay, we have one. Is there anyone else who wants to speak? No, I'm not against. Anybody can speak. Well, do I

   Sarah Gonzalez

   1:18:32get a D

   StarkeyChair

   1:18:32you are allowed to speak. Don't listen to him. Go on up.

   Sarah Gonzalez

   1:18:37Yeah. Um again Sarah Gonzalez, [address removed]. Um, to feed on what they're talking about over here on Old Costco and such, this is not working in Shady Hills Road. How do we know it's going to work with it out here, is my question. So to feed on the same thing. We're experiencing the growth in our area. How do if it's not working in our area, how's it gonna work out here?

   StarkeyChair

   1:19:04Well they're getting a f they're getting a four lane road. Okay we gotta figure that out for Shady Hills one day.

   Sarah Gonzalez

   1:19:10Right, which is just crazy because our growth is almost as bad as theirs. So that's where I wanted to feed on with that this over here, Shady Hills is getting a lot of growth too, and how can we know even though they're getting a lot of growth and you're saying that how do we know it's gonna actually go that way? 'Cause Shady Hills didn't go that way and I don't really need my whole three minutes but just thought I would like to

   StarkeyChair

   1:19:35hear you guys

   Sarah Gonzalez

   1:19:36we

   StarkeyChair

   1:19:36hear you guys

   Sarah Gonzalez

   1:19:37because over there we've got four schools Four schools down Shady Hills. One of them has been since Shady Hills was paved unpaved roads. And they have done nothing. to improve that road. There is still people parking on the side of that road miles down by Shady Hills Elementary. They just added development by Cruise Lake and Mary Doctor Mary G. Ellis, but yet our roads are not improved. So how do we know this over here will also

   1:20:08follow through when we were told the same thing. You know, so just to throw that in in the same aspect. We're all Pasco County, correct? Thank you for your time. Thanks. Is

   StarkeyChair

   1:20:18there anyone else that wants to speak to this? Let's see. Oh. One more.

   Nancy Hazelwood

   1:20:27Nancy Hayswood, [address removed]. Um historic growth rate, when's that? Nineteen fifty? I maybe you need a future growth rate to bounce off of instead of uh Uh historic growth rate. Um Then I I was listening to this and you've got eighteen acres and you wanna put a hundred and six units on it. That's an awful lot. That's going from three

   1:20:57per acre to six per acre. You're doubling it. This is a chance to start slowing down what's going on out here with your infrastructure and your natural resources. Maybe this is the place to start. Thank y'all. Thank

   StarkeyChair

   1:21:12you. Um I think that's the end of public comment. Come on up, Barbara.

   StarkeyChair

   1:21:19And if I haven't said it in the record I have no one on Webex for this item.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:21:26This road is ahead. Old Pasco Road is ahead. You had a route study. Somewhere along the line you acquired a whole bunch of right-of-way, which was surprising when we looked at it for you the county as to what was going on and had our engineers take a look at what your right-of-way is, what you needed for this road improvement. Like I say, the only thing you're missing is some property from the school board, but definitely ahead, and that's why this project was able to come in and do this improvement for you. Density actually helps you. do road improvements and

   1:21:56this project is it shows that because that's the way we're getting this project done. So and it is townhomes, it's a single family attached versus detached, three versus six. So just wanted to add those perspectives. Thank you.

   1:22:12Okay. Um

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:22:14approval? Second with the condition to be added that they're gonna the condition

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:22:20to be added will be in forty six.

   1:22:23Second.

   StarkeyChair

   1:22:24Okay. Um all in favor? Roll call vote. A roll call vote rates ordinance. Thank you.

   StarkeyChair

   1:22:29District one, Commissioner Oakley.

   StarkeyChair

   1:22:31Aye.

   StarkeyChair

   1:22:31District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District four, Commissioner Yeager. Here. Aye. Here. Can't say here.

   1:22:39District five, Commissioner Mariano. Aye. District three, Chairman Starkey.

   StarkeyChair

   1:22:43Aye. Okay, um next one. P forty. Sorry, twenty four