PDE-25-7666
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Zoning Amendment (Continuance) - Murphy Road MPUD – Oakley Pasco County Property Trust, et al.– Rezoning Request from R-MH Mobile Home District and A-R Agricultural Residential District to MPUD Master Planned Unit Development District to Allow for the Development of 672 Single Family Detached Units and Platted Townhomes and Associated Infrastructure on Approximately 118.82 Acres Located in South Eastern Pasco County
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Zoning Amendment
(Continuance)(Consent) - Murphy Road MPUD … Home District and A-RAgriculturalAgriculture Residential District to MPUD … South Eastern Pasco County2m1/2MoodyAnd item PC2 is PDE 25-7666, a zoning amendment in the name of Murphy Road, MPUD, Master Plan Unit Development. Oakley Pasco County Property Trust for a change in zoning from RMH Mobile Home District to AR Agricultural Residential District to MPUD Master Plan Unit Development to allow for the development of seven excuse me, 672 single-family detached units and platted townhomes
and associated infrastructure on approximately 118.
And this item was published on the agenda as a consent item. However, the applicant has now requested to continue the item to August 7th, 2025 Planning Commission meeting at 130 PM in Dade City.
GirardiVice ChairMr. Chairman since this one was not noticed as a continuance, I think you need to ask if there's anybody who Okay cannot be here on August seventh that wanna speak that wants to speak to it today. But just as a reminder that is if they speak to it today, they cannot speak to it again on August seventh.
GreyChairOkay. Is the applicant present by the way? Okay. Is there anybody who's here today to speak on this one? Okay, um as the our uh uh county attorney has just said in case you didn't hear if you speak today you won't be able to speak on August the 7th. That's fine. Is that okay? Yeah Okay Just want to make sure you knew that all right um
GirardiVice Chairso uh Um I guess the question is did you want a presentation from staff before or do you just want to hear the public comment?
Unidentified speakerVoice AWilln't it just be pulled and then go back to the consent?
GirardiVice ChairI say it again. Or you can pull it. Uh whi whatever your preferences. Yeah, we'll just pull it. Okay.
GreyChairOkay. We're
GirardiVice Chairgonna come back.
GreyChairWe're gonna go back to consent. So we got the consent request on the next one, right?
23m2/2GreyChairSo we'll return to PC two.
GirardiVice ChairAnd I guess I'll ask the Planning Commission again, did you want a full presentation from staff or do you want to defer that to August seventh?
GreyChairUm Well there's only one person to sp to qu qu to question it, so let's let's go ahead and uh de defer presentation until August seventh. And you can raise your questions now. And we'll if we need to answer them today we will.
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Unidentified speakerVoice Bwant me to state my name and the address
GreyChairand everything? Yes sir, please.
Unidentified speakerVoice BUm my name is Jose Roll Dan. Uh address is [address removed]. So the question I have, uh being a resident of Zephyrhills for over forty four years, Um Seeing it after the hurricane last year down Forbes Road the majority of the Forbes Road on the side where there's mostly vacant land had a lot of standing water for six to seven months. And you guys want to build or whoever wants to build six hundred and seventy two uh homes
and I don't know if the access is gonna be on Forbes Road, but regardless, the building's gotta stop. Like where is the water gonna come from? Um I was told and I'm not sure that you guys are gonna have to build up six feet And if you do, because that's kinda like swampland, where's that all that water gonna go? Is it gonna flow down over Forbes Road and flood those houses, is it gonna flood our houses? And if that's the case Are you guys gonna fix it when that happens? And then to go from agricultural to a like a the uh
what do you call it? The M PUD or basically residential type. What is gonna happen to people that have businesses on their property or they have chicken houses on their property to support their families? Are you guys gonna change that too? I mean, eventually building has got to stop. How is the roads gonna handle it? I mean I thought you're supposed to build roads before you build buildings and infrastructure. I mean have you tried getting out of going on 301 toward Tampa? It takes forever now. And we're just getting so many people here. Where
is all this water gonna go? Where are you gonna buy the water from? I mean, to my understanding, you guys are already buying water outside of the county. Are you gonna have to keep doing that? Is it gonna dry up all of our wells out there off of Lynbrook and Forbes? Because a lot of people out there have wells. Are you gonna pay for that when it dries up because you guys won't stop building? When are you guys gonna gonna stop building. I understand progress has to happen. But at some point you have to stop. In Pasco County, taxes
are going out to Wazoo like we're having to sell some rental property just to stay afloat because taxes went up from 12,000 to 24,000 to 29,000. I hate to see what taxes are going to be this coming year for our rental property. I mean, what happened to the American dream? The American dream has gone down the toilet, and no matter what city you're in, it's just getting crazy. I don't care if you're you're Republican or Democrat, this stop this stuff has got to stop. And if you people have lived here in this county for some time, you've seen the progress that has happened,
and change is good, but sometimes change has to stop. Like it's just getting to the point that a lot of people that lived in Zephyrhills and surrounding areas are moving out of state just to get away from all this stuff. So I ask you guys to and I'm sure this is already in the works because obviously You guys don't care. It's gotta stop. I I mean, what else can I say? It it just progress, stop it for now. And I know the moratoriums and all that stuff. When is it gonna stop? Please answer all those questions
and thank you for giving me the time.
GreyChairIs it your I'm sorry to I'm sorry that you said that we don't care. We show up here twice a month. We don't get paid for this. we do it as a volunteer. So I I take offense at the fact that you you're telling us we don't care. I I br I was born and raised here and look a lot of these people were born and raised here. We all care. We have to be equal and we have to be fair minded no matter what the applicant is, and uh no matter what
what's going on. If they have a way that they can show us that they can deal with any water issues like that, And it makes sense. We have four engineers on this board. So they can tell you whether they can deal with that kind of stuff or not. I'm not I'm not an engineer but they can. Me neither. And I'm sure they wanna make they'll wanna make a comment. But um I'm I'm offended by what you said there that right there, that last part. So if you uh Will if you want to come up and respond to some of those questions.
Unidentified speakerVoice ACan I ask the gentleman a question?
GreyChairYeah.
Unidentified speakerVoice AYes sir. Would you prefer mobile homes be developed on the property? Because right now I can't hear you. Would you prefer mobile homes be developed on the property?
Unidentified speakerVoice BIt's still the same thing. When is it going
Unidentified speakerVoice Ato
be a little bit more?
His property zoned RMH for a mobile home park. He's asking to change it to single family detached homes. Now I haven't heard this case, so I haven't made a decision yet.
Unidentified speakerVoice BWe don't need anything else.
Unidentified speakerVoice AHe's not asking here for the right to build. He's asking for the right to change what he builds. And so I'm asking you, would it be your preference? Because right now there's an entitlement for mobile homes on the property. We
Unidentified speakerVoice Bdon't have to be
Unidentified speakerVoice AYeah, but he has land rights. Just like when you bought your lot, you had a right to build two. This person has a right to build too. Right now they have the right to build mobile homes. Is it your preference that they build mobile homes?
Unidentified speakerVoice BI don't want anything, but if it's gonna be mobile homes, I mean obviously he or whoever has the power is gonna do what they're want to do w what they want to do.
Connected CityAnd that's
Unidentified speakerVoice Bthe
Connected Citywhole thing. That's why we don't have power to be able to take away someone's rights.
Unidentified speakerVoice BBut then why change it to agricultural I mean uh to to the MPUD when it's agricultural?
Unidentified speakerVoice ABecause they'd like the right to build single family detached homes rather than mobile homes.
Connected CitySo it's actually a less less dense use. Than what they're allowed to do currently.
Unidentified speakerVoice BBut then that's gonna affect everybody else. I mean, is code enforcement gonna go around and say you can't have a chicken house or you can't do this?
Unidentified speakerVoice AWell no one said because they built doesn't mean you can't have a chicken house. I have a chicken house.
Unidentified speakerVoice BAre you agricultural?
Unidentified speakerVoice AYes.
Unidentified speakerVoice BOkay. There is but if if because this happened to a friend of mine that they said he when he bought it was agricultural and then they gave him the runaround. and they wanted to change it to basically residential And So That's what I'm saying, because code enforcement will come around and say something, and then you gotta fight it again.
GirardiVice ChairDon't we have a chicken ordinance, David? There's one in there's one in the works, but there's not one adopted one, current.
Unidentified speakerVoice BThat's what I'm saying. So it's what people are trying to, you know, regardless, people are trying to feed their families with chickens and all this stuff and then if they're
Unidentified speakerVoice Aon agriculture roll property, then they can have their chicken.
Unidentified speakerVoice BBut if you change it because this affects us,
Unidentified speakerVoice Aanybody else's property is asking to
Unidentified speakerVoice BOkay, well I mean I'm just I'm just giving you my input. I and I can I understand. I mean I don't want to see anything, but what am I gonna do?
Unidentified speakerVoice AI think the problem that I have is this. I have a whole bunch of people and I see it all the time. Everybody wants all the building to stop. And listen, I've lived here most of my life too, and I've seen a lot of changes here. But at the end of the day, how would you like it if I came and said you can't build on your property? You bought a piece of property, you had the expectation that you could build, and anybody else that bought a property has the expectation that they can build on their property.
Unidentified speakerVoice BBut the government
Unidentified speakerVoice Adoes. And And where where's the cut off? You know, Mr Gray's family was here before my family, but If his family was in charge, they could have said my family couldn't have moved here. My family might have been here before your family. Maybe we would have decided you couldn't have been here. Who gets to decide who gets to move to Pasco County and who doesn't get to move to Pasco County? We don't get to build a wall around Pasco County and stop people from coming to Pasco County. What we do is we try to make the best community
with what we've got. We can't zone everybody out. We can't stop all people from building on their property. And you'd be just as mad if I said you couldn't build on your property.
Connected CityWe have to balance the rights of the property owners with the people that are surrounding them, the neighbors. And so we we can't all we are is the intermediary to to weigh those options, to weigh the the rights of the property owner that wants to develop their property and the people that neighbor them and to make sure that you know we allow them to do what's allowed within the law but at the same time. something that's not onerous on the people that are around them. So that's that's what our role is. We can't just say we're gonna stop development or we're gonna stop allowing property owners
to exercise their rights.
Unidentified speakerVoice BI I understand that because where I live before we could build we had the same situation and the only person that protested was a railroad and they said we had to be literally a hundred foot away from the track. Which I understood and it was complied. But you know, my concern is Whether it's mobile home park or Six hundred and seventy two homes. Where are where are they gonna get the water from? Where is the water gonna go to when it rains? I mean literally
Unidentified speakerVoice Awhen they come in for a development application. They're going to have to demonstrate that they can get water, that they can dispose of sewage, that they can properly drain drain stormwater without flooding somebody else. And I can tell you, because I do this every day for a living, that there is an entire building in Newport Ritchie filled with these people down here who do nothing but ask me a litany of questions about how I'm going to bring water to the site. rid of the sewer and not flood the neighbors and
it is a very long and expensive and grueling process. And then when I'm done with Pasco County doing it, then I turn around and I do it with the state of Florida and sometimes the federal government. It's not an easy process. I can assure you people look at all of these things. And he does it for that living, I do it for a living, and that gentleman over there does it for a living.
Connected CityBut it doesn't mean mistakes are never made, you know, 'cause sometimes there are bad engineering that we've seen instances of that in the past, but we learn from those things and we try to engineer things better. And I think overall we're doing a pretty good job. of it. Like I said, it doesn't mean that there's never gonna be another flood, there's never 'cause we're also dealing with Mother Nature that uh can't you know uh that doesn't have a rule book to follow, right? So you know, there's no engineer that can design around a hundred year storm, right? You're gonna have flooding uh that you've never
seen before when you have a storm like that come through. So So we we learn from those things and we try to do a better job in engineering going forward. But
GirardiVice ChairOkay. Although most of the flooding we have from the hurricanes was in developments that were built before we had correct Swift Mode and County Regulation.
Unidentified speakerVoice BAll right. Thank you for your time. You've answered my questions. All right. And I appreciate it.
GreyChairGood. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Well. Uh Will, would you like
GirardiVice Chairto make some comments too? Here Will is with the guy. And also you need to give the applicant at least a opportunity to rebut if he wants to. I I don't know if he wants to
Chris WilliamsI'll wait to the next meeting.
GirardiVice ChairOkay, all right. Wait, wait, before William speak do you have you you speaking under public comment too? Yeah. You should let you are you you don't want to speak on the seventh then? No. Okay.
GreyChairWe only get one chance, you know. I know And you already had your chance today.
Unidentified speakerVoice AShe'll She'll figure out a way to go.
Nancy HazelwoodNancy Hayswood, [address removed]. I really didn't want to get involved with this, but maybe we need some new rules and regulations. And I have seen flooding lately. I hear about it all the time. So And I don't drink treated sewage water for lack of water down the line either. So there there needs to be something else here and I know you all are facing these rules and regulations and there's nothing
you can do. We just need some different ones because we are almost built out to the max. Everybody ha feels like they've got a yoke over their neck trying to get through the traffic and sometimes flooding. So I'm sorry and I know you guys do the best you can within the circumstances. Thank you.
Unidentified speakerVoice AWell I guess what I would say is if you want to propose some rules and regulations, that would be a help. I hear a lot of people, we need to do this, we need everybody tells us what we don't need to do, but nobody comes here with a constructive suggestion on how to do it. All right.
Got an answer. But the state legislature is now going to stop us from changing
Nancy Hazelwooda
Unidentified speakerVoice Abunch of regulations too. So
Nancy HazelwoodBut I c I could say that maybe your rules and regulations could be um changed on the amount of development before it starts impacting our natural resources, like before it starts impacting the water we drink ha that ha might have to be changed to treated sewage water. I don't think that's right to the citizens of this county to make those type of Questions. And if we sat down in round
table meetings and you could actually get some citizens there, I'll volunteer to go. Maybe we can find different ways around this. And and satisfy the developer too. I don't think they should not make money. But there's gotta be another answer here. I'm sorry. I feel bad about taking up your time. Thank y'all.
GreyChairThank you. As usual, you do a good job.
Connected CityAnd for what it's worth, we're we're probably a long ways off from having to drink treated sewage water. Like you say. Um we're we're part we're part of a larger uh Tampa Bay area water, uh it's called Tampa Bay Water, where we share between counties. There's desalination plants that are at f very small fractions of their capacity.
There's there's plenty of capacity in the system as as it stands. Now it doesn't mean we can't get to that issue that point at some point in the future where it's gonna be an issue, but
We can we can play him for that.
GreyChairOkay.
Well,
Come on out. Yeah. Wait
GirardiVice Chaira minute, Will. Only only to the extent you want to, Will, because this is not the full public hearing. This is just do you want to add anything? Yeah, if there's anything you
Planning and Development staffwant to add to those comments, the the
GirardiVice Chairquestions.
Planning and Development staffI mean if I can have the the applicants I'll wait till August. I'd prefer that. I don't think there's any reason to speak to to this until then. All
GreyChairright, is that well he's Matt, I don't think you're gonna he may not be here.
Planning and Development staffWilliam Vermillion Planning Development Economic Growth. Like uh Commissioner Moody pointed out. The the property's been zoned largely R M age since nineteen seventy five. The future land use has been largely residential nine since at least two thousand and six.
Unidentified speakerVoice ACan I stop you? When did we get our first zoning code in this county?
Planning and Development staffNineteen seventy five it is original zoning. Yes sir. Residential nine. Currently the project is roughly six point two dwelling units an acre. which is underneath the allowable density for the total site of the hundred and eighteen acres. And is a a product type that the county views could be more beneficial to the area and being single family detached than what's currently allowed in the the original zoning. There's no access being proposed to Forbes Road. It's currently substandard. And there's no access being
proposed to Chankin Road either. that the applicant is giving right away along their portion of Forbes Road Chinkin Road as well as for the Vision Road, the Dot Tree Extension. should sufficient right away ever be uh acquired by the county to make those standard It's a long way in the future because those are all individual lot owners and acquiring that amount of right away from individual owners would take a significant amount of time. And um County road fifty four. currently
has adequate capacity right now even with this development's proposed traffic. roughly sitting with the proposed traffic around a point eight VC ratio. Um 1.0 is generally the threshold we look for for a failing segment of road.
GirardiVice ChairDid you want to address the provision of water and sewers since
Planning and Development staffuh Uh working with us as well as the city of Zephyrhills, this does a a but a portion of city-owned property which is along that CSX line. Uh we've been talking to the city of Zephyrhills, their director for the better part of two and a half years on this. They haven't had water capacity for that two and a half years. However, in these conditions of approval if the applicant cannot secure water capacity from the city of Zephyrhills. They will be required to extend county utilities from
Island Boulevard, to their site in order to develop because the county does have sufficient capacity for the development.
GreyChairOkay.
Thank you. I think that's it. That's
Planning and Development staffit. I appreciate the time for you.
GreyChairMr. Chairman
Chris WilliamsMariano. Mr. Chairman, I just want to point out that um I know we got an email, somebody asking about school capacity. I'm sure I'll repeat this. in August as well. But we you know, the reason I'm up here is to look at development through the lens of school capacity. And so just for the record, uh the schools out in Zephyrhills Uh Woodland Elementary is projected to be at 80%. uh next year. West Zephyrhills Elementary is projected to be at eighty percent next year.
Stuart Middle is projected to be at 88% next year. And Zephyrhills high is projected to be at eighty-five percent next year. So we do strive to keep our we certainly we do have some schools that are over capacity and we're working to Remedy that but um We do work very hard to try to keep our schools at or below capacity.
Connected CityMr. Williams, I did see on the um on when I was looking through this um packet uh it showed that the projected um middle school I think it was we were gonna be over capacity slightly um with the projected build out entire build out of this project, but um I didn't know what projects you had coming online. uh s middle school wise. I think we were just over it's a hundred and two percent of
Chris Williamsthat. So part of that and you're right, there are you know two rivers is zoned for um Stuart Middle and Zephyrhills high, but we are planning to open a K eight and two rivers in twenty twenty eight. So that should provide um keeping the right-of-way.
GreyChairYes.
Very good. Thanks, Riz. Sure. Appreciate that. Okay. Uh so nothing for you, Clark. Okay. All right. So we have a uh request for a continuance.
I'm sorry, I didn't
Unidentified speakerVoice BI just want to say one thing. When you say that the or uh
GreyChairI'm sorry, you're gonna have to come up to the mic if you don't mind.
Unidentified speakerVoice BOkay. Uh Jose Roldan [address removed]. Okay. I just had a question. He was saying fifty-four that the road is sufficient enough if If if that's where the access is gonna be for all this, like how many cars, you know, supposedly will there be? Either way, whether it's a trailer park or six hundred and seventy two 'cause it's only two lanes and it can be difficult at times to get out now. Sir
GirardiVice Chairso When the applicate I don't know if it's in the current packet, William There's there's a full traffic analysis in on the agenda that you can look at that it answers all of those questions. Okay. Right.
GreyChairAnd also when if a developer gets the permission to build these units, he has to pay an impact fee on each home that he builds there. And those that impact fee includes money for roads. you know, utilities, schools. Okay. It amounts to almost thirty thousand dollars a home. The developer has to pay in order to build that home. Yeah. So uh that's what you were asking earlier where the money comes from to
build these roads. Okay. And the reason they don't build them in advance is because they don't get the impact fee to pay for it until they start to build. Okay. So
Connected Cityit's a chicken and the egg scenario with infrastructure. You have to have the tax revenue or the impact fee to be able to support it before
GirardiVice Chairyou can build it up. But regardless, the important point is that he was asking about Forbes Road, which this project is not going to connect to Forbes Road, so the County wouldn't be using impact fee to improve it anyway.
GreyChairNo, no, but uh but there is money. to improve the road because you're asking about fifty four just now. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, sure. No problem.
GirardiVice ChairOkay. Clark, since just one last time just making sure you don't have any more I I've been trying to give you all your due process. Do you do you want to say anything? Okay. I'm I'm fine, thank you. Okay,
GreyChairall right, okay. He just spoke.
Yeah.
GirardiVice ChairHe technically is supposed to get rebuttal for any time the public speaks, so I just wanna make sure he's okay with that.
Connected CityAll right. Okay. Clark's gonna get you for missing due process one of these days. He's
GirardiVice Chairhe's he had plenty of chances for due process coming.
GreyChairSo uh so you want to approve the the Did we approve that one already? It's a continuance. Yeah it's a continuous motion for continuance.
Connected CityMove continuance to the uh eight seven twenty five seventh meeting
GreyChairin sexity. Okay, we had a motion. Second and we had a second any further discussion all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye opposed, like sign Okay, so it's gonna be continued on August the seventh. So if you can make it again, obviously you're welcome. Um so we'll go from there.
Connected CityOkay.
MoodyThat's the last item that we had on the agenda.
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Approved minutes
Approved to continue to the September 3, 2025 Board of County Commissioner meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City.
1mAmy HeilerAye. Item P38 is a zoning amendment in the name of Murphy Road MPUD. This is the Oakley Pasco County Property Trust, a rezoning from RMH Mobile Home District and AR Agricultural Residential District to MPUD Master Plan Unit Development District to allow for the development of 672 single-family detached units and Platted townhomes and associated infrastructure on approximately 118.82
acres. This is a continuance request to the September 3rd public hearing in Dade City at 130.
StarkeyChairAnd we approved the publication of the hearing of this matter in the June 25th, 2025 edition of the Tampa Bay Times.
StarkeyChairMove to
Unidentified speakerVoice Ccontinue time certain.
StarkeyChairSecond.
StarkeyChairAll in favor? Aye.
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Okay, good afternoon Planning Commission. Gianna German, Planning, Development and Economic Growth. The first item, excuse me, the only item we have in continuance today is item PC4, PDE 25-7666, a zoning amendment in the name of Murphy Road MPUD Master Plan Unit Development. Dash Oakley, Pasco County Property Trust, for a change in zoning from RMH Mobile Home District to AR Agricultural Residential District. to an
MPUD master plan unit development to allow for the development of 672 single-family detached units and platted townhomes and associated infrastructure on approximately 118.82 acres located in southeastern Pasco County. And this is coming with a request to continue the item to September 4th, 2025 Planning Commission meeting at 1.30 PM in Dade City.
GreyChairOkay. Is the applicant present? Is anyone here to speak on this one? Cena One.
Unidentified speakerVoice AMove to continue item PC four to the September fourth meeting in Dade City. Second.
GreyChairWe have a motion and a second. Any further discussion on the motion? If not, I'll signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, like, signed. Okay.
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Approved to continue to the October 7, 2025 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City.
1mStarkeyChairAll right, so would you want to do P fifty first? Yep. P fifty was advertised in Tampa Bay Times June twenty fifth, twenty twenty five.
OakleyThank you, Madam Chair. Niktarium Spitos, Planning Development, Economic Growth. Item P50 is PDE 257666. This is a zoning amendment to the name of Murphy Road MPUD by Oakley Pasco County Property Trust et al. which is a rezoning from RMH Mobile Home District and AR Agricultural Residential District to MPUD Master Planning Unit Development. This is being requested for a continuance to the October 7, 2025, Border County Commissioner's meeting in Dade City at 1:30 p.m.
MarianoVice ChairWould you continue time certain? Second.
StarkeyChairUm this is a public hearing. No. Do we need to it was advertised? It was advertised. Okay. Um do I need to see if they want to speak here instead of in the future?
Unidentified speakerVoice CIt was advertised as a continuance. All
StarkeyChairright. All in favor?
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