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1. 1Oct 3, 2024
   Planning CommissionAPC8Consent agendaNo disposition in the minutes

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2. 2Nov 12, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP74Public hearingApproved

   Zoning Amendment (Consent) – … West of Old Pasco Road. Road

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   Approved the item per Staff’s recommendation.

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   OakleyChair

   53:36And the person that was come forward that was to speak against this item?

   53:51Name and address for the record.

   Tara Castro

   53:53Hi, my name is Tara Castro. I'm at [address removed]. I'm concerned in regards to all this planning and develop in the development, in regards to our plan and development code, I feel like we are not following all the codes that were enforced, including infrastructure. That is nine oh one. We always jump from the infrastructure and then we go to storm drainage and then we

   54:23go to flooding. We have had consistent, horrible flooding for my citizens here in Pasco County. I want to ask you Is there no county wide storm management plan? Because the long term the Land Development Code, or the Planning Development Code, eleven oh four, I should say, says development will hold the one percent or a hundred year storm But we now have proof. That did not happen. So

   54:54again, when we start approving all this buildings for these developers, we're not considering the existing homeowners and the building codes that were required when they built their home. It says in 1104 that the developer has to prevent neighborhoods and adjacent use to be free from flooding or rescues. There was 2,000 evacuees by fire and rescue, and 188. rescues during Milton. Unacceptable.

   55:26We are behind the time in our infrastructure. I want to give you a personal note. Calling 911 from my house with my son having a medical emergency. You know how long it took Pasco thirteen to show up at my door from the time I called? Twenty two minutes. That's death. Seconds matter. Coming from Phoenix. From the time you call nine one one to the time they show up at your door, two minutes.

   55:55That's a huge difference. Seconds matter. Again.

   56:02our stormwater. We keep pushing it off and saying, It's your fault, it's the homeowner's fault. But you know what? None of these communities that were built got flooded out except for existing homeowners. And I want to urge you to please vote no for any more development until you get Army Corps of Engineers that you said you requested, or there was a request from PASCO on October 26th town hall meeting that they were requested to come in here. I've dealt with Army Corps of Engineers in my other property in another

   56:33state. I know what it takes. It didn't take me a week to fix the problem. It took me two months to fix a problem this big. So the mag the flooding that has happened here in Pasco County It's not gonna take a few weeks. Why continue to contribute when you are behind the times? Traffic is unbelievable. As I mentioned earlier in my meeting in my s at the public saying, we cannot continue to add more rook cars to these roads. Old Pasco is not two ways all the way through to Wesley Chapel

   57:03Boulevard from 52. You're stopping at Sunny. Please consider infrastructure. Um,

   StarkeyVice Chair

   57:11did you say did

   Tara Castro

   57:12you say

   StarkeyVice Chair

   57:13[address removed]

   Tara Castro

   57:17[address removed]

   57:17[address removed]

   57:17[address removed] I'm in the back of Quill Hollow by Cypress Creek and I'm in a high flood zone. A E. So I'm very concerned.

   OakleyChair

   57:27Okay. Thank you.

   57:30Okay. Pleasure's board.

   Mariano

   57:39Ms. Chairman Mariano. Yes sir. I had talked with the applicant and one of the things we talked about was uh infrastructure out front. Um could we have staff explain a little bit about what's the progression for Old Pasco Road getting paved?

   David Engel

   57:54Okay.

   OakleyChair

   57:56That's happening.

   Sun Coast

   58:06Yes sir. Good afternoon Commissioner. It's Nick Uran, County Engineer. Uh the question was when is it going to be widened? I think you said paved, but we're we're talking when will we widen it to four lanes? Two to four lanes from what's the way we're currently under contract with BRW to widen it to four lanes up to the entrance to the school. And then we have design and construction funding in our five-year capital program to widen the southern piece from Wesley Chapel Boulevard up to Sunny Drive. We do not have the widening of Fold Pasco Road in our Capitol program for the next five years

   58:36from the school to State Road 52.

   Mariano

   58:40Okay, so going up to the north of this property, you've got this development coming across the way that may be coming forward. I think we've talked about this one. This one here, they're both going to be entitled to putting turn lanes in place, which could go toward widening of the road. Is there any way we can look at trying to work with them to try to bring that infrastructure instead of doing it then redoing it and just doing it in one shot?

   Sun Coast

   59:05We can certainly discuss that with the developers. And the idea would be instead of building turn lanes on a two-lane road that would eventually be torn out when we built the four-lane road, we would put some of the money they would expend toward the widening of the four-lane road. The challenge we have is timing. They're ready to go soon and we're not queued up and ready to go with the widening. We don't have design plans established. We don't have construction funding in place to pay the additional costs that would be incurred. by the shortfall between the total cost of the project and the amount they would contribute for their turn

   59:36lights. So we can have the discussion, but we would have have to do some internal digging to determine how to re-allocate resources within our capital program if that were the board's direction. Right. Do we have right away on both sides, do you know? Now you're testing the limits of my memory. I I don't think we do continuously. I think there is a right-of-way acquisition component as well.

   Mariano

   59:57Okay.

   Sun Coast

   59:58Part of

   Mariano

   59:58this project. But I would have to verify that. Part of this project, one of the things we're going to do is t build the pond that was going to be to be anticipated for the road that was going to be needed in the property. Are you familiar with that? Yes. Okay. So that should help with the stormwater up front?

   Sun Coast

   1:00:15It absolutely helps with stormwater management for the widening of the road. Yes.

   Mariano

   1:00:20Um as far as the e limp land of ab above above, is there something that we've we've looked at maybe to increase even more stormwater capacity up there in our own lands?

   Sun Coast

   1:00:33That's could you re ask that question? I'm sorry.

   Mariano

   1:00:36So to the north of this property, on the west side of the road, right now abutting this property and and above, we own like two pieces of England property. Is there ways to maybe improve the stormwater c retention up in that

   Sun Coast

   1:00:49area? Boy, that's outside of my expertise to answer on the fly. We have not considered that to my knowledge, but it's certainly something we could look into further.

   Mariano

   1:00:58Okay. Um so to the board. This developer mentioned they were flexible in foregoing if we choose to, and it would take more conversation with Nick, the the left turn lane monies and just give us the money toward building the road. I think the other developer that I talked to a year ago referenced the same type of thing. Um there's a sidewalk going on the left side of this road. Left being west. On the west side, yes. Yeah,

   OakleyChair

   1:01:25west side.

   Mariano

   1:01:25Okay. Yes. So can the developer build that sidewalk and not have to worry about it being torn out uh to the specifications that we're looking for at this point?

   OakleyChair

   1:01:36Let's see if we can have the applicant. Team come for a rebuttal and and talk to us about those things.

   Mariano

   1:01:42I I can but I wanna while while you share them.

   Sun Coast

   1:01:46So what we've said is is that we would like the d the applicant to construct the sidewalk as a five foot sidewalk, presuming we are not ready to build the ultimate section of Old Pasco up to fifty-two or at least up to their entrance. Commensurate with their schedule. We've asked them to build a five-foot sidewalk because it is difficult to know exactly where to build the wider pathway that we would like to have. in that segment of Wolf Pasco Road without doing the design for the entire road and establishing both horizontal and vertical location for the pathway. So we don't want to

   1:02:16put twelve feet down and then have to tear twelve feet out. We're willing to let them do five feet as a temporary condition and then when we come in and do the twelve later, we would have to potentially remove the five

   Mariano

   1:02:25and

   Sun Coast

   1:02:25construct

   Mariano

   1:02:26the full twelve. Yeah, and I'll say to the way this project constructed, there's some homes out toward the end to the northern part of the parcel that a certain number of homes will have to drop walk a little bit further to get to uh a sidewalk going to the south, but to build a sidewalk and spend that money and then tear it back out, uh I don't know if that's the best thing to do. Yeah, one thing's really so

   Sun Coast

   1:02:47maybe we should hear from the applicant a little bit she can talk about it. Well and Commissioner it's a question of timing. So similar to your suggestion about the turn lanes, we've said to the applicant, if we know we have a capital project coming in the near future when the w years one, two or three of our capital program for construction We would allow them to pay us for the sidewalk in lieu of constructing a five foot and then us tearing it out and placing in placing a permanent larger facility in its location. Same thing with the turn lines. If we have a project coming soon that will allow for us to put their contribution as

   1:03:17cash toward the construction of a wider road, then it makes sense for them to pay us. If the uh capital project is years away, then we sometimes need to spend some money on the short side. even if it's a throwaway improvement because we're going to use that throwaway improvement for five years until that capital project comes to fruition.

   Yeager

   1:03:34Well, especially if you're talking about sidewalks for

   Sun Coast

   1:03:37S Sidewalk connectivity is very important. So is safety for the community the people entering the community that need to make that left turn. We want to make sure that that turn lane is in place when people start to reside in the community. So that that's where we really struggle with, you know, we we can we can accelerate when we know we have a capital project that can catch up in a very short amount of time, but we don't want to leave you we want to measure that that lag time in months, not years, if you will. If we said, hey, maybe in a few months we'll have that turn lane in place and the four-lane road, that's a that's a reasonable

   1:04:07condition. If we say we'll get there in three or four years, that's a long time for residents to be making left. turns from a through lane and and frustrating motorists in both directions along the corridor, which tends to lead to people behaving in less safe ways when they're traveling on our roadways.

   OakleyChair

   1:04:24Okay.

   1:04:28All right.

   Mariano

   1:04:29Uh I'm I'm good, thank you.

   OakleyChair

   1:04:31Okay. Now if the applicant will come forward with her team to uh rebut.

   Mariano

   1:04:36Do you want a presentation from Seth Ros?

   OakleyChair

   1:04:39Just

   Mariano

   1:04:39keep

   Cindy Terrapani

   1:04:39here.

   Mariano

   1:04:43Mr. Chairman M shouldn't we hear a presentation from staff first?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:04:47We have this our staff can come up. I mean this was a consent item that was pulled for one speaker. It it's up to the board whether they want a full presentation or they just

   Mariano

   1:04:57I was gonna pull it myself until there was an objection to it. So I w I wouldn't mind seeing having the board see the presentation.

   Madam Clerk

   1:05:06Okay.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:05:17Good afternoon, William Vermillion Planning Development, Economic Growth. This is the old Pasco West M PUD, PDE twenty five seventy eight sixteen.

   1:05:35Here is a rough location showing the subject site just to the west of I-75 on the west side of Old Pasco Road. This is a zoning amendment from MPD to MP. This is the site of the previously expired Grantham MPD with a future land use of Residential One and Residential Three for a maximum development of 99 single-family detached dwelling units on 77.89 acres.

   1:06:06Here is the subject sites location map.

   1:06:11The zoning map reflecting the Grantham and beauty. The future land use showing res one and res three.

   1:06:20Here is the applicant's master plan. You'll see a large portion of the site is Category One wetland.

   1:06:29Here is an overall context map showing the Orange Belt Trail to the north in the Central Pasco employment villages with Eagles 1 and 2, as well as Mango Hill and Stillwell to the north along Old Pasco Road. The purple indicating Old Pasco Road. A large majority of the western portion is Swift Mud property within a state residential neighborhood. And then to the south you can see the school site Cypress Creek, which the applicant would be constructing

   1:06:59the sidewalk from their entrance down to that school site.

   1:07:06They are seeking one variation from the code from 9016011 to not provide interconnections to the north or to the west. Like Commissioner Mariano said, uh this subject site abuts ELAMP property and ELAMP land acquisitions um properties in the future as shown by

   1:07:26this exhibit here in your agenda packet. The red indicates acquired ELAMP land, the purple is other public land acquisitions, and the orange is currently on the acquisitions list. So staff is in support of that variation for the applicant. With that it comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the Planning Commission as well as Planning Development and Economic Growth Department. I'm here if anyone has any questions.

   OakleyChair

   1:07:54Any questions? Chairman Mariano.

   Weightman

   1:07:58So what Ms. Kestler's concern is after living through a pile of rain that we have, like we've heard so many times before, we're just looking for reassurance. that this project, the water that's going to be, you know, moved around, manipulated on this project, that it's going to stay where it is and it's not going to flow west into further into the Quell Hollow area. They're going to see more water. They already know that it's a wet place to live. They're looking for reinsurance out of this

   1:08:28staff and you know that the regulatory bodies that it's gonna be a good project. that water is gonna mind its own business and it's not gonna have any potential impact as it flows downstream and compound their concerns. That's what she was getting at. Um so she's looking for reassurance. I think I asked the question correctly, uh from staff that all the professionals are doing all the professional things to make sure that uh project's built correctly.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:08:58Absolutely. And th this applicant will be following all the L D C provisions for stormwater management as well as the the state requirements. So e everything is above board respective.

   Weightman

   1:09:09Thank

   Planning and Development staff

   1:09:09you.

   OakleyChair

   1:09:11Any other questions?

   Weightman

   1:09:13Also uh one more Chair. Well it's my understanding the county's not gonna build this sidewall. towards the school, the applicants volunteering to build this sidewalk. To Cypress Creek. Yes, sir. Correct? Correct. So I think it would be in our best interest, should this be approved, that we take them up on the sidewalk and get the sidewalk built because this proximity to the school I I I think this project will be a a very nice place for for folks and kids will probably likely be going to and from the high school and middle school and maybe even

   1:09:43the college. So thank you, Okay. Thank you.

   OakleyChair

   1:09:47Applicant will come forward and Tell us a little more about your project. I think it's all sixty foot wide lots, if I'm not mistaken.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:09:55Barbara Will High 6327 Grand Boulevard, Newport Ritchie, 34652. For the applicant, yes, we are sixty foot lots, move up product. Um Our land use allows up to 107, we're only doing 99. The prior approval grantham ranch on this property allowed 50 foot lots. We could have said we'll just re approve that again, but the client really listened to What the district commissioner wanted to see for his district in this location and he wanted to see sixty foot lots and so we are My client came back and said we'll

   1:10:25do sixty foot lots. We are doing we are in front of the infrastructure. We uh worked with staff to come up with Pond G, which is your a pond for Old Pasco Road widening. I personally think by looking at it and our and our team looking at it, I think you probably have all the right-of-way. When you look at Old Pasco Road on Pasco Mapper, you'll see right-of-way, and there's actually when you look at this project, you'll see there's a cutout for a pond. So there has been work on this segment so Maybe this is a good segment for if you confirm that you have the right away, 'cause now you

   1:10:55have we're constructing a pond and I think it's the last pond that you need right away for Pon G. I think you may have the right away for this road and maybe it's something you can move up on your appropriation list. Um but that is obviously things that you have much more expertise in than I do. I can tell you that that pond is not a cheap endeavor. We're getting some mobility fee credits, but there's a lot of money that we're that my client's putting into getting that pond done for the widening. And then of course we got ahead of the the sidewalk issue, uh, worked with your staff. We we knew we needed

   1:11:25to get our kids to the to the school and we moved forward and worked very diligently to come up with a condition um that you heard the county engineer explain to you about how that works. It's construction or if he's ready, we'll give him the cash. Um so I'm happy to entertain any questions. thoughts. We're looking forward to getting this approved. We've worked well with staff and carried along and it's a good project.

   OakleyChair

   1:11:51This is also uh Yeah, public water and sewer at this this location.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:11:56That's correct. Yes, so we're consistent with the land use.

   OakleyChair

   1:11:58Pasco County I guess.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:11:59Yeah, Pasco County water, Pasco County Central Sewer, Central Water, Central Sewer.

   OakleyChair

   1:12:05Okay. Any questions?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:12:13I'm happy to see a sixty foot subdivision coming in. Sure.

   OakleyChair

   1:12:17Yeah.

   1:12:20Any other questions for that bit?

   Weightman

   1:12:24I just chair, I just say I appreciate you guys taking my such critical questions and um you know, working working through this and making it making it something good for folks to live. So that I'll move approval.

   Mariano

   1:12:39Second, little discussion.

   Weightman

   1:12:41Okay.

   Mariano

   1:12:43I just want to say Commissioner Weightman I appreciate your working on this one. No near district. I'm obviously as commissioners we can't talk to each other. I don't think we're going to vote on, but I think it's a better product than we would have had before. I'm happy to hear more about that stormwater project being ahead of the game as well.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:12:58And and I'm happy to hear that we're buying the land all around it. I wasn't aware of that. So

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:13:04if you look in front of our project you'll see there's a strip of right away. Actually when we were putting the sign up when my son was putting the sign up and then putting it back up with the hurricane. He's like, Mom, what do I do? There's a strip of county property in front of this property. That's your future right away. it already sits in front of this property. So look at that 'cause I think you've got a lot of you right away for that for that expansion project already. So thank you.

   OakleyChair

   1:13:23Yeah this this property's sitting nestled in right in with a lot of E Lamp property for taking care of a lot of water issues and things in their area. So it's very good. Okay. So I got a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Motion passed 5-0. We'll move on to

   1:13:43it back here.