PDE-25-7834

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1. 1Jan 15, 2025
   Village of Pasadena Hills Planning and PolicyPC3Public hearingContinued

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   Approved to continue the item to the February 19, 2025 Villages of Pasadena Hills Planning and Policy Committee meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City.

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2. 2Feb 11, 2025
   Board of County CommissionersP34Public hearingApproved

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   StarkeyChair

   10:55We approve publication of the hearing of this matter in the January 1st, 2025 edition of the Tampa Bay Times.

   Oakley

   11:05Item P34 is PD 257834. This is a zoning amendment to the name of Harvest Hills West V O P H M P U D by Galvin Land Services. This is requested for a continuance to the March 11, 2025 Port of County Commissioner's meeting at 130 PM here in D City. May have

   MarianoVice Chair

   11:23a motion to continue P34.

   11:25So

   11:25moved.

   Oakley

   11:25Second.

   MarianoVice Chair

   11:26All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Item P thirty five, do we have proof?

3. 3Feb 19, 2025
   Village of Pasadena Hills Planning and PolicyPC3Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   Zoning Amendment (Continuance) (Consent) - Harvest Hills West … Within Villages B and F F.

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4. 4Mar 11, 2025
   Board of County CommissionersP45Public hearingApproved

   Zoning Amendment (Continuance) (Regular) - Harvest Hills West … 100.18 Acres Located in The the Villages of Pasadena Hills, Within within Villages B and F

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   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:37:2145. P forty-five. We approved publication January 1st, 2025, edition of the taxpay time summon that I'm doing the happy day with a certified cycle.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:37:34Good afternoon, William from Million Planning Development Economic Growth. This is a zoning amendment, PDE 257834, Harvest Hills West V O P H M P D in the name of Galvin Land Services, a rezoning request from AC Agricultural to MPD Master Plan United Development District.

   1:37:53This proposal is to allow for the maximum development of 279 dwelling units on approximately 100 acres at the intersection of Prospect and Work Road.

   1:38:04This project is also within the villages of Pasadena Hills, located within Village F. A rough location here indicated by the star. Here is an uh aerial view showing the uh the current alignment of Prospect Road and the ro roundabout there at Murata Boulevard and Curley.

   1:38:27This is the master plan for the village, showing neighborhood general for this area.

   1:38:35as well as the village F Master Plan, which is majority neighborhood edge. A little bit lower density on the southern portion of the site, bifurcated by Prospect Road. This is the master plan for this MPUD, showing the new alignment of Prospect Road that will be built by this MPUD, connecting into the now what will be the double roundabout at Mara and Curley.

   1:39:02showing those different densities, of course more dense to the north, less density to the south. However, as we'll see here, The applicants not proposing to develop the southern portion. So it will be uh kept as wetlands and conservation. And the the majority of that density will be used on the northern portion. These are rear loaded townhomes.

   StarkeyChair

   1:39:28With possible AD use.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:39:30Yes, ma'am, and they are limited at nine hundred square feet per the conditions of approval.

   StarkeyChair

   1:39:37Perfect.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:39:38Just to th just to throw a wrench in there.

   StarkeyChair

   1:39:40Is that a double uh is that a double roundabout?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:39:43It is. It's a figure eight roundabout.

   StarkeyChair

   1:39:45Wow.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:39:46Don't ask me about that one, but Ted was Ted was kind enough to design that for us and says it's safe enough so we're excited about it.

   1:39:55S safe enough, right? There's the caveat. No. There is one variation request from this uh MPD from 901611 street design and dedication requirements. They're not proposing an interconnect Directly to the north or directly to the south. However, the Northern Interconnect is taken care of with this new alignment of Prospect Road. the the citizens that live in this development will be able to go north on Curly through that roundabout instead of connecting to there's an existing

   1:40:26dirt road along the northern boundary called Leonard, which is not in the Master Roadway Plan, and instead of impacting those residents that use it to privately access some single family residential the the residents will be accessing curly via the new alignment and no interconnect to the to the south because the applicant doesn't intend to develop the south. per this plan they wouldn't be able to unless they come in for a modification, so no southern access is uh required here. However, in the future residents would be able to access south both on Curley and

   1:40:56on Wort Wort Road, which is a vision road there on the eastern boundary.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:41:01Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I I'm gonna say I I just came from development over off C Colony Roadlook and the connection. And there's a development to the side of it, almost almost like this here. And what we did was we put a Straight road going through to the other development. Now keep in mind the development drops down to the back. Is there about fairwinds? Uh or what's that what's that called? It's a different name. Bright Bright Brighton maybe? It's on the uh Uh eastern side.

   1:41:32And it's a little dip in i in the road behind the lots that are there that eventually is designed to though. To make a cut there. No, Work Road, if anybody's been down there, the connection point to that is going to be A long time coming. The connection in the road to this one here could be a long time coming. But if I can get a north south connection in skipping a double right rotary And eventually when that thing goes out fifty years later, so be it. I mean I think you should put a T there, put a fence there. But at least have

   1:42:02that access we can get out there. When it you know, it could it might be fifty years down the road, but

   StarkeyChair

   1:42:07No

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:42:09the north, yes.

   StarkeyChair

   1:42:10Well it does look like There there is a T in the neighborhood. That could maybe eventually one day go through.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:42:19So are you talking about the existing Linux road intersection with the current alignment of prospect, if I'm if I'm hearing you correctly?

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:42:27To the left side of the picture we have the there's two green areas in it, two big s big rectangles. So the one to the left side of the screen going straight up as a road there.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:42:36Yes sir, that that T intersection will be left there and Lennard will be untouched.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:42:40But there's no tea, there's it's yellow there. I like it.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:42:45Th this is a a current T intersection. It's tough to see with this aerial, but Leonard Road does travel along here to this T intersection where you can go up north to Uh current curly and then accesses these these homes down here. It'll it'll just be left untouched in its current condition just because it's not on the master roadway plan for the villages of Pascoena Hills.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:43:06Uh but y it's you just don't listen, uh I don't think you get my point. The road that's above above it, there's no T connecting to there, at least that I can see.

   StarkeyChair

   1:43:16You talk about Leonard?

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:43:17Letter, I guess. There's no there's no north south connection potential for Leonard down the road.

   1:43:42There there's no road connection in the new development to go in up north south.

   Mike Carballa

   1:43:46It runs off the screen. That's the T interception track.

   Joel

   1:43:51I think he's talking about the right-of-way.

   StarkeyChair

   1:43:53I'm gonna have a different question. It has to be with a multi use path.

   Joel

   1:43:59I'm on my iPad here.

   1:44:03Internal internal.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:44:06So he wants you to connect to Leonard.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:44:12Yeah.

   StarkeyChair

   1:44:17Is work a dirt road?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:44:19Portions. It it's constructed in some southern segments and then in this area it is a dirt road.

   StarkeyChair

   1:44:24I we've we've had folks from Wort in here.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:44:27Village Green was uh was one of those that was on work. My favorite.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:44:33So

   StarkeyChair

   1:44:33right here. Not on this project, on on another project.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:44:37So right here is no connection going that way. And I'm saying that maybe fifty years before it never connects, but eventually you should have a connection potential to open up there. The development I just saw at Hudson we just had approved. It goes into the edge of a neighborhood, kind of like this here, that may have may never connect. But they teed it out at the end, put markers at the end. They didn't even put the fence there, we should put the fence there.

   StarkeyChair

   1:45:05But you see you see where th there could be a connection? Go to your left. Right there. That could continue on one. Well why not just have it straight? Well, that's a major road there. That's curly. Sure. That's a really wide road. Cutting through the neighborhood. Yeah, you can't have that. I don't know.

   1:45:24I mean they've realigned curly. That's where I was going to do that.

   1:45:29No, I I think it could connect, but not with the matrix.

   Joel

   1:45:32It gets more complicated because of the realignment of prospect and curly. So William's gonna put up the other graphic that shows you the change in condition.

   StarkeyChair

   1:45:42But I but I I I I see what

   1:45:46But the hierarchy of roads is wrong for that to happen right there.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:45:55Maybe this is a little more helpful. This is our right-of-way um Exhibit where the the existing and yellow is being uh moved now into the future.

   Joel

   1:46:06The yellow is current prospect. Correct. Joel, identify yourself with the Jo Joel to 4700 Ridge View Road, Palm Harbor, Florida, I have been sworn for the applicant. Just for clarification, the the yellow highlighted part is current existing Prospect Road. where it curves and goes north just to give you a little better of the existing condition. From what we're doing. And the Master Roadway Plan has always contemplated this change. It's always contemplated

   1:46:37Reconnecting, prospect to Curley at Virata. So we're we're simply implementing what the Mass Roadway Plan complicated uh contemplated. I get your point. The question is in the after condition, and that's all I'm suggesting, is look at this in the after condition. I think the concern is those folks along Work Road, they do not want to be integrated and connected. to the new project. They

   1:47:08they like their separate lifestyle and it's not just one or two. They're all along there. So again, I think if you're going to require a connection from our project up to Word, uh I suggest that we c we be cautious. I I was

   StarkeyChair

   1:47:23I think you should connect have a future up to Leonard and then one day that gets to the right.

   Joel

   1:47:28Well I meant I meant to Leonard, but see those people they live on Leonard and they access

   StarkeyChair

   1:47:33don't connect it now. Right. keep the ability to connect it

   Joel

   1:47:37till

   StarkeyChair

   1:47:38they come in.

   Joel

   1:47:39So the question is for Mike and Seth is do we have since we're Okay, we're not developing anything south of prospect to be able to rebuild the road, provide the floodplain, the drainage. We also have to provide for all that right-of-way for curly. So since we're pushing all the density north and do an all rear loaded product, my question for the developer is do they have a spot along the rear loaded that they could provide the

   1:48:09same type of right away, if you will, the same solution you had on the prior matter. but without constructing, because we do not want to be the ones to construct a connection to those people on work work road. I I'm not looking for a collection. I'm just looking for Let me ask if do they let me ask if they lose build if they lose a building or a unit in doing that. That's the question.

   StarkeyChair

   1:48:30Well I don't see why you would and and Jack and I may be talking about two different things. But the intent is the same.

   Joel

   1:48:38If you put up if you put up the C

   StarkeyChair

   1:48:40the concept plan

   Joel

   1:48:41go back to the binding plan and

   StarkeyChair

   1:48:43you look you look to the the um left

   Joel

   1:48:46leftmost

   StarkeyChair

   1:48:47units Right? That L.

   Joel

   1:48:51It would be between

   1:48:55And you can't do that. Tell me what is what is the the north your westernmost north south drive.

   StarkeyChair

   1:49:03Yes, that one. One day could if that property north of you

   Joel

   1:49:08see where she's became available, could you not

   StarkeyChair

   1:49:10extend your development into there and

   Joel

   1:49:15Yeah, like right-the no yeah, we're right no right on the that right there.

   StarkeyChair

   1:49:22It could one day maybe continue on into that land here.

   Joel

   1:49:25Yeah, we can provide

   1:49:26it.

   1:49:26I think the answer is yes.

   StarkeyChair

   1:49:27Yes.

   Joel

   1:49:28And they would they would alignment they would align it wherever our westernmost north south drive goes if you're okay with us picking that spot wherever that falls. D and just doing the right-of-way provision. That would be fine.

   StarkeyChair

   1:49:45Right? At least

   Joel

   1:49:47As long as it's not connected now cause that'll cause a lot of

   StarkeyChair

   1:49:49blowback

   Joel

   1:49:50blowback.

   StarkeyChair

   1:49:55Um I do have a question on multi-use trails. When I look at the map on Maratha

   Joel

   1:50:01They're just told about you getting the

   StarkeyChair

   1:50:03I don't understand their planning. I'm still working on that button. It looks like there's a multi use path around the traffic circle. But then it goes into s a sidewalk. And um And so would Who's building that who's building the new alignment?

   Joel

   1:50:23Uh we are

   StarkeyChair

   1:50:25following the The prescribed Design that has a multi-use path on one side?

   Joel

   1:50:31This right. This this realignment actually was already approved in the funding and development agreement which you approved uh this M Pud was pending at the time, but we contemplated this. So yes, Galvin is actually building this whole new road segment, exchanging right away, and all of that's already covered by the development agreement that you approved just a few months ago. Uh to exchange right away and we build it and the design Any questions you have about the double roundabout

   1:51:02and the design you need to discuss with the county engineer because we're doing what the county engineer has uh directed.

   StarkeyChair

   1:51:13Yeah. Okay. Questions from Commissioner Weightman.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:51:17Madam Chairman M I I don't want to cut the commissioner off, but but they've star sort of started a presentation. I don't know if they have a presentation that they want to do or they just want to answer questions.

   Joel

   1:51:28We just want to answer their questions. Okay. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:51:31Good enough.

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   1:51:31Okay. So questions about the road, probably less to to you guys, but to our our our county.

   1:51:40So this is a main path to the Northeast Transfer Station. You have walking floor trucks coming in and transferring trash and trucks getting to and from Northeast Transfer Station.

   StarkeyChair

   1:51:52What's that?

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   1:51:53uh off hand cart and prospect is heavily traveled. So this double roundabout Which is Forgive my ignorance, I'm not even sure how the heck to even drive this thing uh based on this picture. Is this efficient enough to handle just that level of commercial traffic? to to get to and from 'em I mean you're talking tractor trailers they gotta figure out how to get two fifty two From there, unless you know, I don't know the timing of the ha of the

   1:52:23hand card extension to the new fifty two. But you're talking counting logistics and in essential services.

   1:52:34What these two roadways when they're built and then the and the path that they're going to go. We

   Joel

   1:52:41I guess that's more. Commissioner, if I may, uh I think we will have Hankart built before this. I think two fifty two correct. We're also obligated to I think we will have the new Hankart north to uh Clinton constructed prior to this so you could come straight out of that transfer station at Tyndall and Hancart and go straight under

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   1:53:02construction.

   Joel

   1:53:03It's already under construction and and will be completed all the way to Clinton.

   WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   1:53:07Okay. All right, good. That answers that question. Right. Okay. Thank you.

   Joel

   1:53:12So again just to kind of close the loop. This whole infrastructure, including this segment, was part of that eighty million dollar commitment that Galvin has already made under that master development agreement. And this is essentially an in-field project. And how we got where we are. is the Benedictine sisters would were not inclined to just sell the right away to the county. They wanted to sell the entire parcel in the way Galvin solved that for the county was Galvin stepped up and bought the entire

   1:53:42parcel And then decided they would make do as best they could with providing the right-of-way and then just developing the part they could develop. You know, for only

   1:53:55not very many units, it's a huge financial undertaking to solve this road problem. So that that's how we got there on this particular project. And as we said, all of those units are one hundred percent rear loaded, uh which of course is above and beyond meeting design desires. And this will be one thing about this Is assuming you can negotiate the double roundabout. I

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:54:19can't figure it out.

   Joel

   1:54:19I have I've been around one in Scotland and I think maybe one in Ireland. Um but the the beauty of this, if you think about it, is this entry come in and off curly Murata. It's going to be really a dramatic entry in because this is the the northwest corner of VOPH. And so you're gonna have all of this green space to the south when you come around and make that entry and then the only thing you're gonna have to the left are these rear loaded products that all have front of house, you know, without driveway and without garages. So it's

   1:54:50gonna be visually it should be a very attractive window into V OPH. with a lot of green space on the south and rear loaded product so you're not looking at driveways and garage doors the minute you come into V O P H. So I think it's a good solution. for that property, 74% of this property will be open space. Almost three quarters of it. So I it's it's a substantial uh deal. So if there are

   1:55:20any other questions on this one, we're happy to answer them. The next one's also an infill project that relates to the ability to build hand cart, but we can talk about that in a moment.

   StarkeyChair

   1:55:30Um Okay. This is a a public hearing. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak to this? Item?

   1:55:39All right, well I'm just and it just hoping this developer would buy more and more land. So I'm glad to see him coming in. 'Cause I think he's doing what we envisioned that this neighborhood would be. So um Okay, and no one's online? No more public comment? All right, let's I'll take a motion.

   Oakley

   1:56:02Soon moved.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:56:03Second.

   StarkeyChair

   1:56:04All in favor?

   Joel

   1:56:05Aye.

   1:56:08You need to add your

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:56:09right-of-way condition. Um I tell you what, I'm I'm gonna be comfortable with you guys figuring it out to let it go.