PDE-25-7845

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1. 1Dec 12, 2024
   Planning CommissionPC6Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   Special Exception (Continuance) (Consent) – BDI Properties US … Containing Approximately 2.08 Acres

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   Liam Devine

   1:12:02What was it? So we are going back to PC six. Um PDE 25-7845 in the name of BDI Properties US L C T L E Wells Road. This is a special exception request for a daycare center and veterinarian clinic. The current zoning is AR, the future land use is Res1. The applicant proposes the applicant is requesting to develop the property

   1:12:32with a daycare center for 160 children and a 4,000 square foot veneering clinic in conformance with the AER Agricultural Residential District standards. It's located on the south corner of the intersection of Wells Road and Curley Road. It's located in the central market area and is outside of the urban concentration and rural areas.

   1:12:57Here is a zoomed out aerial. Here's a little bit of a zoomed in.

   1:13:04The surrounding future land use is Res One and Res III to the north, to the east, south, and west is all res one.

   1:13:13The surrounding zoning to the north is AC, AR, and MQD. To the east is AC and to the south and west is AR.

   1:13:27The subject site is undeveloped on approximately two point zero eight acres. There used to be well There there used to be a mobile home on the site. Um the use proposed for a daycare center and veterinarian clinic are both special exception uses under AR, under the land development code. And I would actually note that this site actually already has an approved special exception, so this would be modifying that. That approved special exception is from August 11th, 2004, from Planning Commission that approved

   1:13:57a 200. Student daycare center in for this site. So this would actually be a reduction of 40 students. Here's the concept sorry, here's the concept plan.

   1:14:12And this is coming with a recommendation for approval from Planning, Development and Economic Growth Department.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:14:20Okay, is the applicant present?

   Ross Einstein

   1:14:31Good afternoon. Good afternoon. I do have a presentation, but staff did a great job, if I can just say a couple words. Sure. Name and address and then just acknowledge that you've been sworn. Sure. Okay. Good afternoon. My name is Ross Einstein. I'm with Colliers Engineering and Design. I'm representing BDI properties for item PC six, and I have been sworn. The property is located on the southwest corner of Wells Road and Curley Road. As Liam said, a special exemption was already granted on August 11, 2004, for a 200-child

   1:15:02daycare facility within the AR zoning district. Our request today is to modify this special request to reduce the number of students from 200 to 160 and then add the use of VET Clinic. No other changes are being made to site plan, stormwater, anything like that. Just the use is going to change. And we agreed to all the conditions within the memorandum. We ask you to approve this special exception in accordance with staff's recommendation approval. And I'm here for any questions.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:15:32Okay. Thank you. All right, is there anybody here to speak on this item?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:15:38Steve Stanley, uh [address removed] I happen to own a property right next door to this. And I really don't want it there because of the trash, the smell, the garbage. I work for uh veterinarians, I do AC work. Behind the scenes is filth. When you walk in the door, it's fine and damp. You do what you see. But behind the scenes is filthy, it's nasty, it sticks.

   1:16:08And I don't want that in my backyard. I'm 85 feet from that. Where you want to put all of this? And I don't want it there. It stakes. I don't want the rip wrap that's going to come through there. I don't want the trash that's going to be coming in on my property, which I've already got enough of that from Wells Road. I don't need to have it from a commercial building right in the middle of a residential area. We don't need that there. Go down the road a little ways where all that commercial stuff, publics and all that is down there. You put all that there. You don't need to put it in the middle of a reservatory. And

   1:16:39I don't need a parking lot there. My girlfriend owns the next property over. She don't want it there. Um she wanted to know if she can write a letter to y'all because she wasn't able to get off on work to get here to do this. But she wants to write a letter stating hers, considering her property is literally right up against it. My property is the L. where the it comes up and makes the L where it's about 30 feet away from where it connects to their property. That's my property is the L right And then on top of that

   Moody

   1:17:07can we put a map up? Oh I see.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:17:19Sir Wilder putting the map up, so is it accurate to say that you your primary concern is the vet clinic, not the daycare center?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:17:28Well the daycare too because you're gonna have a bunch of people dropping off kids at all s certain times of the day and and I got traffic it's already so bad. You can't even get out on a lawyer road onto a curly road because of traffic. And then you go put all of this there?

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:17:41Yeah, just to be clear though the daycare center is something that was already approved for this site.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:17:46Well, yeah, no one ever said anything about that until I found out about all this.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:17:50I I'm just saying it's that's an existing approval for the site. That's an existing approval for the site that was approved in 2004. So the site is permitted to be a daycare day daycare center today.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:18:01Well, I can't help you on the daycare part, but as far as the veterinarian part, I don't want it there. It sticks. It's it's it's it's bad. You're gonna put all that in my note. In my yard, and I don't want that there. It's gonna be disturbing my peace when these dogs are barking and yelling. I can talk

   Moody

   1:18:18louder. Let me try to help you for a second. I'm gonna ask the county attorney. I

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:18:22can't hardly hear you,

   Moody

   1:18:23sir. When we are asked to consider a special exception, We're given a sheet with six criteria on it of how we evaluate whether or not to approve or deny or request for a special exception. I don't know if somebody from staff or maybe David can explain to the gentleman what those criteria are.

   1:18:45I understand you may have an objection, but your objection has to fit into one of these reasons that we are allowed to deny a special exception on, and I don't see that you think it stinks is one of the listed items. But there are other items. Okay, and that's one of them. If you can talk about something like that.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:19:09Sir Sir, please adjust the microphone so they can catch everything. The clerk has to record everything. Okay, I'm sorry. Okay. Yes

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:19:15sir. But I mean there's there's other alternatives than just this and like I said my girlfriend wants to write a letter to y'all too. She's the one's her property is actually buttoned up to it. And she don't want it either either. She has more stronger feelings about it than I do. So um we wanted to know if it was permittable for us to give you a certified no direct letter or whatever from her. 'Cause she wants to send it and get her opinion in on this.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:19:43Yeah, but to address Mr. Moody's point though, I mean there are some of the criteria that to either directly or indirectly get to what the gentleman is complaining about. I mean for example number three talks about The site having suitable access, ingress, ingress, on site parking, hand loading errors and mentions refuse collection, which he's complained about that. And then number five is deals with or or cause other significant problems or unadjoining surrounding

   1:20:13properties, which is apparently what he's asserting. So I mean I I mean I understand he's not pointing to those criteria, but There's a way to take his comments and and have them apply to those criteria.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:20:28And also sir, I am also I have a um medical marijuana license and I grow plants and you're putting a daycare Within the list the short period of place of we're supposed to have distance.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:20:42Well again the the daycare use was approved in two thousand and four. Okay. So they're well they're not here today to ask for the daycare center use. Okay, I'm

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:20:51here to reduce I don't want to go to jail because you built a daycare on top of my marijuana plant.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:20:56Mr. I when did you I mean this daycare center has been approved since two thousand four. When did you place your

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:21:01Well that wouldn't matter because they just legalized where we can get the the the license within the last two years.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:21:07That approval already existed as the time that you got your marijuana approval.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:21:11Well yeah, that's what I'm saying it's overlap, but it's still the point of the matter is I still live there, I still have the plants, I still have the card. So Whether it was approved or not, I'm still there.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:21:22Okay, sir, I I'm only pointing out that

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:21:24Yeah, I'm just saying I don't want to go to prison because you put a daycare on the case.

   1:21:34Well there was nothing saying it was a daycare even coming when I when I moved to the Sure it was approved in two thousand and four.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:21:39It's it's public record that it was approved in two thousand and four.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:21:42And there was people living there in two thousand and four, so how did they approve it when there was a residential living near.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:21:47The same way they're here asking for approval today for a special exception. They went to the same

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:21:51approval for a D care at that at that

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:21:54point. So I'm not moving.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:21:57Yeah. Did did you have anything else to add, sir? No, sir.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:22:00I just

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:22:00I just

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:22:00wanted to make sure that b uh I wanna clarify about the letter with my

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:22:08Well I mean but i okay but this is a special exception approval. You are the final decision-making body and so unless unless that letter is before you today and unless you're willing to or continue this so you can receive it, this is the fact finding hearing. So either getting a letter to us after after the

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:22:26fact. Is not going to do any good. Right, after the fact. Okay.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:22:29Unless this gets continued for some reason it won't matter whether the issue sends it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:22:34When will this be decided? Today.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:22:36Today, unless there's unless it's continued, it'll be decided today.

   1:22:39All

   1:22:39right.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:22:40All right, thank

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:22:40you. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:22:46Is there anybody else here to give public comment?

   1:22:50Okay, anything from that? Yeah.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:22:53I don't know. We need to give the applicant rebuttal just so I don't want to forget that.

   Moody

   1:22:57Well I'll let me ask staff the question because the applicant may want to rebut And I have a concern with the driveway to Wells Road as shown on site plan. And David I realize at a special exception, these are find are these binding site plans?

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:23:15No.

   1:23:17Then I buy I mean you can impose a condition to make it binding, but generally they're not binding.

   Moody

   1:23:24And can we impose conditions regarding access? Yes, I think we would. So my question has to do with it appears we're showing a full access drive to Wells Road, which would require somebody Looks like perhaps the applicant's proposing shortening the left turn lane because when they look at the aerial photograph Someone who's going westbound on Wells Road

   1:23:54and would turn south into this development would have to cross an existing left turn lane to do that. The site plan doesn't depict that, but the aerial photograph appears to.

   1:24:14And in this case, even in the site plan, they would be turning left across the taper Or the the gore area to the left turn right.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:24:26John, would that not come up at the access management analysis as part of the site plan? Well, I don't know.

   Moody

   1:24:33I assume it would and that was why I was gonna ask the question of staff first. I don't know at what level has the ac has transportation looked at this.

   David Engel

   1:24:46Red Tibet is going to speak to that circuit.

   Moody

   1:24:48Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:24:59We have one of our access management reviewers here that's going to speak to this for us.

   County Clerk

   1:25:14Yeah,

   Stacey Burgess

   1:25:17Sorry, we're waiting. Good afternoon. Stacey Burgess, Transportation Planner with Development Review Services. To my knowledge, when I looked into a cellar, I did see a site plan for this, but for a different project. So under my impression I'm thinking that this project is in the special exception process so I haven't seen a site plan for it for that particular project. I see it here but I just thought they were coming

   1:25:47in for the zoning part of it. So if I was reviewing this for the site plan part based on the land development code, they would have to have access on a local road based on our land development code. If they got access on the collector, then they would have to come in for access alternative standard. So

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:26:07okay, so The only potential. concern I have with that comment is that There clearly they did a substantive roadway analysis and determined that the local road alo El Eloian is substandard and if that was going to be their primary access I would have think that you all would have required more than just a proportion and share because there's a con there's a finding number fourteen that says that They're just gonna pay fair share for that road.

   Stacey Burgess

   1:26:38That's what I looked up. The person who reviewed this, I was looking up the information and I would assume that because of the trips that will be using that location they had to use the um had to come up with a mitigation versus fixing it based on the c requirements.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:26:57I understand that but I

   1:27:02If if that was their only access, are you saying that they could don't have to improve it? I mean I I get why you would only make 'em pay a fair share if their primary access is wells, but If their primary access was Alonean, are you sure that they wouldn't have to make impractic Improve the road?

   Stacey Burgess

   1:27:22For this one, looking at the information, it looks like they are using both of the access, the one on Wells Road, which is the collector, and based on the trips that they will be using on the that local roadway, it's because they're producing less than 100 daily trips. So because they're producing less than 100 daily trips on a county-maintained roadway, then the requirement. requirements is for them to pay the fair share.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:27:49That's kind of my point, is I understand why they would generate less than a hundred dealer trips if it's a secondary access. Okay. But when you got up here it made it sound like you may not even allow them access on Wells Road. Because it's a it's not a local road, it's a collector road. So Is staff okay with them having access to Wells Road or no?

   Stacey Burgess

   1:28:07Well, from my understanding, this may have already taken place. I'm just kind of on the downstream of this project. So if I was reviewing it for the first time and looking at it, I would ask them to have access on the local roadway and if it's substandard and they weren't using the collector then they would probably have most likely have more um than a hundred trips, which would probably make them have to to improve.

   Moody

   1:28:34My concern isn't whether or not and and I understand the access management rules that we want to go to local roads first before collectors and I'm not sure whether I agree or Put that, but In this particular case, I feel like a right-in, right-out driveway at Wells Road would be a much safer option. Then potentially people backing up attempting to make a left turn across a left turn lane. This site plan does not depict what's on the ground.

   1:29:04If you look at the aerial photograph, that left turn lane goes beyond where that driveway is, or at least it it does in what is shown in our record. So I'm thinking that a right-in, right-out driveway at that location

   1:29:19is a better option.

   Stacey Burgess

   1:29:21Okay.

   Moody

   1:29:24I don't want to cause a traffic one of the things on our list to evaluate in a special exception is whether we think it creates a traffic problem. That's the traffic problem I think it creates.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:29:36Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:29:38So yes, this this body does have the ability, like David was saying, you can you can impose that, you can uh make that a right in, right out, or you can say no access there at all, and then that would then change the the to the south that we would want them to actually make the improvement in their driveway.

   Moody

   1:29:53Over well I think I would I would tell you, personally speaking, if it's gonna be a day care center Probably multiple access points might be appropriate, but I don't want to have a dangerous access point.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:30:06Understood. And you know this uh The vision roads that the the curly road is actually gonna be having a little bit of some change in the traffic flow there with the with the new vision alignment. So We need to take a lot of different things and it has a lot of moving parts on it, so it kind of depends on the timing as to that level of danger and kind of how it plays out. But we can certainly work with them in a site plan with whatever you guys decide.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:30:29And this will still have to come in for a site plan, at which point in time it will undergo access management analysis? Correct.

   David Torino

   1:30:35Sorry, then she's in right now.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:30:40Sir, we need you. If you're gonna speak, you gotta speak from up here. Sorry about that.

   Ross Einstein

   1:30:43Sorry, Ross Einsteiner Colliers Engineering and Design. Um we I'm pretty sure the site plan is already almost already through, which means the access management and the TIS has already been approved because I can't submit this application until both of those have been

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:31:01Okay, sir, there's a finding of fact. Number thirteen. Hopefully you read the agenda memo. It says access management analysis shall be performed at the time of preliminary site plan or preliminary development plan. So that leads me to believe you they have not done access management analysis. You may have done a timing and phasing traffic analysis Or or staff determined that it was exempt from that. Okay. But this finding 13 says that access management's gonna be

   1:31:31looked at at the time of site plan.

   Ross Einstein

   1:31:33Okay. Site plan is in. And it has been in for a while. Oh

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:31:38you submitted a site plan before you even had a special exception approval? Correct. Okay. Yes. And has it gone through access management

   Ross Einstein

   1:31:45review?

   1:31:47I'm if it's part of the site plan process, yes. They've seen it.

   Moody

   1:31:51In Do we have comments back yet?

   Ross Einstein

   1:31:53Yeah, we're uh I'm pretty sure I I have like a almost approval letter. Like it's uh I got a um

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:32:00with a full access on Wells Road. I mean is this the site plan?

   Ross Einstein

   1:32:03Yeah, this is the same site plan that's going

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:32:04through site

   Ross Einstein

   1:32:05plan.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:32:06Well, okay, just to be clear, that was his risk that he assumed.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:32:10Yeah,

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:32:10yeah, yeah. I

   1:32:11mean

   1:32:12if if you if you this body says that you don't want him to have a full access on Wells Road, it doesn't matter whether he submitted something already. I mean that's I agree with Brad. If you want to condition this on it being a right in right out, you have that power to do regardless of what he's already submitted.

   Ross Einstein

   1:32:28I wish our traffic consultant was here 'cause she did a whole traffic study and I'm pretty sure worked with the county to figure out that a write in write out would work best for Wells. So that's why we did the write in write out.

   Moody

   1:32:40But that's not what's shown.

   Ross Einstein

   1:32:42Yeah. Yeah it's shown right you take a right into the

   Moody

   1:32:46What

   Ross Einstein

   1:32:46stops

   Moody

   1:32:47somebody from making a left from westbound Wells Road to southbound?

   Ross Einstein

   1:32:51The rules of the road, technically. I mean

   Moody

   1:32:53Well I know.

   Ross Einstein

   1:32:54I know.

   Moody

   1:32:55I

   Ross Einstein

   1:32:55know

   Moody

   1:32:56but I'm I watch people run red lights and stop

   Ross Einstein

   1:32:58trains all

   Moody

   1:32:58day

   Ross Einstein

   1:32:58long. Exactly, but you know we can only do as m you know, as much as we can. Well you could

   Moody

   1:33:04put a pork chop in that driveway and stop somebody from turning left.

   Ross Einstein

   1:33:08I mean that w wasn't brought to our attention at the time, so I mean, we can look at it, but the traffic study and the county suggested a write in and write out, which is what we did

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:33:21If that's a concern, Mr. Marine, you could make that a condition of approval that they install a pork truck. Well

   Moody

   1:33:26well I'd like to

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:33:26hear it

   Moody

   1:33:26from

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:33:27colleagues. I'm confused 'cause the way this whole memo's written, I mean, if it doesn't really give any indication that there's a site plan approval done. I mean there's n rough proportionality for right away preservation. Um has that been completed?

   1:33:43So

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:33:43there is a there is a finding that it says at the time of site plan they might have to dedicate additional right of way for Curley and Wells. I s I suspect that was not made a condition of approval because there was no reproportionality done in connection with the special exception, but presumably there would be in connection with the Site plan approval. So was that done?

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:34:04So what's what's uh being discussed here there was an uh approval for the previously allowed use on the site. So that's the one that the site plan that was in. So this one brings different uses to the site, so there has not been that evaluation as part of the site plan, per se.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:34:23Okay, so they don't have a site plan in for a

   1:34:29Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:34:29Correct.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:34:32Okay, well that would probably affect real proportionality on right of way dedication.

   1:34:39Sir, I mean can you clarify because we're hearing two different things here?

   Ross Einstein

   1:34:44Yeah. I am honestly filling in. My boss is on a plane flying back, so I'm I'm trying to do the best I can. Um I believe they are correct where the use for the vet is not technically allowed yet because of these special exceptions. So if you were to approve that then that would change the use of that one building and if not, that would be both childcare.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:35:09But that also could affect the access management analysis too.

   Ross Einstein

   1:35:13Right, but the the the childcare is more intense than the vet clinic. So it would be less intense with the vet.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:35:25Okay, well it's definitely gonna affect right away dedication. So did you know if your client preserve the right-of-way that's contemplated by finding sixteen, which is Forty feet from Wells and seventy three feet from Curley.

   Ross Einstein

   1:35:44Um I believe that's I believe so. Well I I mean

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:35:48I I I find it hard to believe that there's an additional thirty five feet there that you're not gonna need for your use on the curly roadside.

   Philip Singletary

   1:35:55Yeah, I

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:35:56Uh where are you gonna put your pond?

   1:36:00Well maybe even your playground.

   Ross Einstein

   1:36:02I mean yeah. Yeah, I know I see what you're saying. But I mean the the measurement right there from center of road to the property line is thirty seven feet.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:36:13And they're seventy three feet, I believe, required. Possibly.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:36:19seventy three feet from center line if it was roughly proportional. But I from what Brad's telling me we didn't do a rough proportionality analysis because we didn't even have the full Uses. Is that right, Brad? D the site plan that we're reviewing doesn't have a vet office on it.

   1:36:43Sir, I I mean I don't wanna be rude, but that's what you got up and said was a little bit of a misrepresentation. I mean you made it sound like you had a site plan that this site plan was about to be approved by our staff.

   Ross Einstein

   1:36:55With it being a daycare, yes. It's

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:36:57Okay, well that's a little bit of a big omission, you understand that, right? That to say Oh I was gonna get a site plan approved but doesn't have the vet office, which is the very thing that we're seeking you're seeking approval for today. Right,

   Ross Einstein

   1:37:08but it's m

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:37:08you understand how that's a little misleading to the Planning

   Ross Einstein

   1:37:10Commission. I can see that, yes. But the vet clinic is less intense than the childcare, so it uh it would be anything, it would be less traffic, it would be less activity.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:37:23Okay, but it definitely affects real proportionality and right-of-way dedication requirements.

   Ross Einstein

   1:37:27Okay.

   Moody

   1:37:29What do you think about a continuance? Then you can get your expert here and

   Ross Einstein

   1:37:33then my boss can conject and answer all the I I'm I'm again doing the best that I can and I'm sorry for misrepresenting um

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:37:41Well the other advantage of a continuance is that maybe you can meet with your neighbor and have a discussion about his concerns and maybe there's some additional buffering you can put in, maybe there's Some conditions you can commit to in terms of how you're gonna treat your waste so you there's no smells of protruding to the adjacent property. I mean there might be things that you can agree to with your neighbor so that you don't have somebody here objecting.

   Ross Einstein

   1:38:03Okay.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:38:04So maybe that would be a good chance for you to have that meeting with your neighbor.

   Ross Einstein

   1:38:08Okay. Then we can can we continue to the next meeting? Or how do we

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:38:13go?

   1:38:15Well I is there anything is there anybody else?

   Christopher Poole

   1:38:26It's actually Pasco County owned property up on the north end there. That the uh the Wells um road access, ingress and egress extends through? Oh is is that is there an access agreement through that or is there that's kind of well I mean if it's county

   Moody

   1:38:44right away, they have the right to Well is it right of way or is it a parcel?

   Christopher Poole

   1:38:48I

   Moody

   1:38:48think

   Christopher Poole

   1:38:48it's it looks like a parcel, it's owned by Pasco County facilities.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:38:52Well, but okay, but all all property owned by the counties in the name of Pasco. So it could be for right away. So I don't know the purpose of it. Maybe Brad or somebody on his team know, but um if it is right away They in theory could put their driveway in our right of way, assuming they get a right of way use program. Okay. I I just don't know the purpose of it, so maybe Rad knows.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:39:15Uh yeah, it appears to be a sliver of additional right of way that was obtained by the county. We have that corner piece

   1:39:26Yeah. So they would be allowed to connect to air.

   Moody

   1:39:28Okay. And look like it was done to accommodate the turn lanes

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:39:30and dwells.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:39:31And presumably they may be dedicating an additional right-of-way. Maybe. I don't know if that's occurred or not.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:39:38So the the site plan shows one foot of additional right-of-way on Curly because of the realignment of Curly through here going down uh forget the name of the new road. But it's gonna realign some of that traffic to the in major road so this piece would I believe be eighty feet, which would be forty feet from center line, so they were uh creating that forty feet from center line through this. approval that they have now.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:40:02For code. So are you telling me that they only need to dedicate forty feet from centering the center line? That's my understanding, based on the document. Okay, well then your agenda memo probably needs to be fixed. I I Okay. I'm just saying we should be telling the Planning Commission it's seventy three feet if it's really forty.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:40:21We will Looking at that take care of

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:40:24it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:40:25I I think also there's a is there a contradiction in the conditions thirteen and fourteen for basing the exemption from timing and phasing on fifty less than fifty peak hour trips, then the required mitigation on fourteen is based on more than a hundred daily trips. Peak the difference

   Moody

   1:40:46is daily versus peak hour. Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:40:49Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:40:55Okay. Anything else from up here?

   School District Representative

   1:40:59I was just looking at that extension too. I guess it's gonna go further straight off to the East. And if if that road doesn't get built I would like to have it more, it would be instead of a May, it should be a Shall because that two lane road is Just it's been there forever. It probably needs to be accommodated as a larger road.

   1:41:19So just as far as speak to that maybe at the next meeting the first condition sixteen, is it of a may, a shall?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:41:24Well keep in mind that's a finding of fact.

   School District Representative

   1:41:26Yeah. Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:41:27You're talking about for the w for which

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:41:29road?

   School District Representative

   1:41:30Currently. It's has May May set aside. Well

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:41:34the reason it says May is because usually at the time of special exception staff has not done the rough proportionality analysis to show that It can be required. The wrinkle here is that It's all news to everybody up here that the data permanently resubmitted a site plan where we would normally do those things.

   School District Representative

   1:41:51Okay.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:41:53Then the wrinkle to the wrinkles, apparently the site plan doesn't even include the vet office. So these are all reasons that probably should be continued so this can be figured out.

   School District Representative

   1:42:02Yeah.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:42:04I would recommend you continue this. There's a

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:42:06lot

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:42:06of

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:42:07issues. Is there an emotion? Moved to consider.

   Liam Devine

   1:42:09So Chairman, if if I may I just want to provide you the next dates. Okay. So the next Date City date is January ninth and then a sixty day continuance would be February sixth and date city one thirty PM.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:42:22Thirty days would be sufficient.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:42:24Do you feel like thirty days would be sufficient to get everything answered?

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:42:27So maybe we continue to January ninth meeting here in Dade City?

   Moody

   1:42:30Okay. I'll second that.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:42:32All right. Motion and a second to continue this to January 9th in Dade City. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries.

2. 2Jan 9, 2025
   Planning CommissionPC5Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

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   Liam Devine

   17:23The next item on the list is PC5, PDE 25-7845. It's a special exception request in the name of BDI Properties, U-S-L-L-C-T-L-E Wells Road. This is coming with a request to continue the item to Planning Commission on February 6th in Dade City at 1.30. I would also note this item will be readvertised in the newspaper. Okay. Is the applicant present?

   GreyChair

   17:53Okay. Anyone sign up to speak on this one? No. No one signed up to speak on this one.

3. 3Feb 6, 2025
   Planning CommissionPC1Consent agendaNo disposition in the minutes

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   Liam Devine

   17:01If that was our last speaker for general public comment, I'll move to the public hearing section. My name is Liam Devine, Planning Development, and Economic Growth Department.

   17:11The first item on your agenda is PC1, PDE 25-7845. It's a special exception. Um In the name of DBI Properties US L C L T E Wells Road. This is coming with a request to continue the item to the February 20th Planning Commission meeting in Newport Ritchie at 1.30. Okay. And All right, yes, do the next one too. Yep. So the next item

   17:41on your agenda is PC two, PDE twenty-five-seven eight four eight. It's a special exceptional request in the name of fifty-two property LLC, um tropical board and RV storage SR fifty-two. This is also coming a requ request to continue the item to the February twentieth Planning Commission meeting in Newport Ritchie at one thirty. Mm-hmm.

   GreyChair

   18:01Okay, are any are the applicants present? Is anyone here to speak on these items? All right. If not, do I hear a motion?

   Christopher Poole

   18:12Motion to approve the continuances of PC one and PC two to February twentieth in Newport Ridge.

   GreyChair

   18:18Second. Have a motion

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   18:19and a second and further discussion. Yeah. Does the PC one need to come back here if it's a district one item?

   Liam Devine

   18:28So it doesn't have to be on the side. I can tell you that um the Wells Road one did have opposition. We have reached out to that person who's um his name was Stephen Stanley. We spoke to him today. He was okay with it being on the other side of the county and he was he will be provided a link to attend virtually. Okay.

   GreyChair

   18:45Okay. Anything else, Matt? No. Okay, so we have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye, aye. Aye. Opposed, like, sign. Okay, motion carried.

4. 4Feb 20, 2025
   Planning CommissionP10Consent agendaNo disposition in the minutes

   Special Exception (Continuance) (Regular) – BDI Properties US LLC/TLE Wells Roads – Day-care Day- care Center and Veterinarian Clinic … Containing Approximately 2.08 Acres

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5. 5Mar 6, 2025
   Planning CommissionP3Consent agendaApproved

   Special Exception (Continuance) (Regular) – BDI Properties US LLC/TLE Wells Roads – Day-care Day- care Center and Veterinarian Clinic … Containing Approximately 2.08 Acres

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   Approved Staff’s recommendation with the revised Condition 3 read by Mr. Liam Devine, Planner II, which included, “At time of site plan submittal, the applicant/developer shall conduct a revised Access Management Analysis assuming no left turns in or out of the driveway connection onto Wells Road. Furthermore, the applicant/developer shall place a raised pork chop island at the subject driveway to

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