PDE-25-7868

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1. 1May 15, 2025
   Planning CommissionPC4Consent agendaNo disposition in the minutes

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   Jon Moody

   23:06Okay, that was the remainder of the consent. So the first item we have on regular is PDE twenty-five seven eight six eight, a zoning amendment in the name of casting LLC Little Road rezoning.

   Brian Junker

   23:36Good afternoon. Brian Junker with Planning Development and Economic Growth Department.

   Lake Padgett Estate

   23:40Okay.

   Brian Junker

   23:44Today Presenting to you. P D E Seventy eight sixty eight, a Sonya amendment. Under the name of Little Road Rezoning.

   23:57The proposal is a Euclidean rezoning amendment The Sony changing from PO two professional office district two C One neighborhood commercial district. The purpose of the applic the application is proposing change in zoning from PO2 to C1, neighborhood commercial. The location of the site is located on the northeast corner of the intersection of Little Road and Jasmine Boulevard.

   24:23The subject site is located within the embassy district of the Westmarket area. And it's within the urban concentration area.

   24:34Here is a context map of the subject site.

   24:41Here is the IRL map.

   24:46The Fisher Land use that is currently commercial com

   24:53Current zoning is PO two as Curly mentioned.

   24:59The project overview: the subject site consists of commercial pursuit on approximately 3.03 acres. Access to the property is from Little Road. A county maintained arterial roadway with approximately one hundred forty five feet of right away varies and Jasmine Boulevard, a county maintained collector roadway, with approximately eighty feet of right of way. There is a conceptually planned um trail segment under the name of Little Road Trail, located west side of Little Road to

   25:29US nineteen. Current li currently this segment is not a priority in the capital improvement plan. And who mentioned the applicant has volunteered to record a deed restriction.

   25:43The recommendation comes to you today with approval and request zoning amendment to the Board of the County Commissioners.

   Charles GreyChair

   25:53Thank you. Any questions? Yeah, applicant present.

   25:58Anyone here to object?

   Jon Moody

   26:02We do have two individuals signed up for comment on this item.

   Charles GreyChair

   26:06Okay.

   26:09Um yeah.

   Cindy Terrapani

   26:17Good afternoon, Chairman Gray and members of the Planning Commission. I'm Cindy Terrapani, Terrapani Planning Strategies. I'm a land use planner and I'm the authorized representative for the applicant owner, Castang LLC, and I have been sworn in today. You'll probably remember this request. Um it was a plan amendment that you guys heard in October last year, 2024. That plan amendment was approved by the Board of County Commissioners in December of 2024 with sub-area policies, and those sub-area policies specifically prohibited three uses from being located

   26:48on the site: gas station, car wash, and self-storage facilities. I'm sure you all recall some of you had those same concerns. Some of the citizens we had two people here during the hearings before, and they also had concerns about that. The rezoning that we have before you today does include a proposed deed restriction that eliminates those three uses from being developed on the site. Obviously we heard you. We did the right thing. The commission asked us to do that, and we have have complied. This three acre site is at a signalized intersection of two major roads,

   27:18Little and Jasmine. Little, as you know, goes north and south throughout pretty much the almost the entire county. Jasmine is an is a collector that goes um from all the way west to US 19 and to Hilltop Drive on the east. Traffic impact study was prepared for this case by Grid Engineering, was approved by the Pasco County staff. The study shows that both Little Road and Jasmine operate an acceptable LOS, both today and with the project. And the project will only add one percent of new traffic. Additionally, that

   27:48signalized intersection also operates at an acceptable level of service both today and with the project's traffic added. Our request for C One zoning with the limited uses per the deed restriction is consistent with the existing commercial corridor of Little Road that runs from State Road 50 on the north all the way to Ridge Road. I've um previously I submitted um these documents to you all, I'm happy to provide them again. the major commercial at every major intersection of Little Road there are commercial developments and commercial zoning and

   28:18those intersections include State Road fifty two This intersection of jasmine, in which the northwest corner is currently developed with the Walgreen store. Grove Drive, Fox Hollow Drive, Embassy Boulevard slash Hilltop and Ridge Road on the south. I do have the exhibits if you would like to see them that show those uh intersections. I think I would like to introduce those into the record.

   Charles GreyChair

   28:41Okay. Have a motion to receive and file? So moved. Second.

   28:48All in favor? Hi.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   28:52Thank you.

   Cindy Terrapani

   28:57If you'd like to if you want to get into the details of the report, I sh I certainly can.

   Charles GreyChair

   29:01Wait to see what the questions are.

   Cindy Terrapani

   29:03Sure. But just as you look at it, just note that the red stars on the maps um show where there is commercial zoning and commercial development.

   Charles GreyChair

   29:12Okay. Thank you.

   Cindy Terrapani

   29:14Um the C One zoning is obviously consistent with the commercial plan category that the Commission approved in December. We also know that you are well aware and my applic my applicant, the developer is well aware that the county has detailed regulations for site planning, uh permitting that must be followed. We understand all of those to that we need to develop park parking, driveways, buffering, setbacks, etc. We believe the rezoning for C one with the deed restriction at this major intersection is appropriate. It's a consistent with the comprehensive plan, consistent with the land

   29:44development code. Respectfully request your your approval and I'm happy to answer any questions. We're in a few minutes for a rebuttal at the end if I could, sir.

   Charles GreyChair

   29:52Sure. What uh what do you plan to put there? Do you have a plan yet?

   Cindy Terrapani

   29:56Sorry?

   Charles GreyChair

   29:57What's the plan to put there?

   Cindy Terrapani

   29:59Um we don't the applicant um who is the property owner does not have any buyers lined up yet. We're waiting to go through this um process and and then he'll he is marketing it, but as you can imagine, no one's willing to really step up until the zoning is approved.

   Charles GreyChair

   30:14Understood. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   30:17Cindy Cindy you s you indicated that the on this exhibit that you handed out the red stars are commercial.

   Cindy Terrapani

   30:24Commercial uses and or commercial zoning.

   30:29And this I based on driving the site as well as aerial photography and of course looking at the zoning maps. And the maps that I've provided to you are the zoning maps and they clear obviously show the commercial zoning locations.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   30:44Yes, I I just noticed that like the southeast corner at Jasmine and Little you have a star, a red star there. I don't know if I'm misinterpreting that, but that's not.

   30:52I thought you just said it was commercial.

   Cindy Terrapani

   30:54Well, office and commercial is what we were I I I guess I should have made it a little broader. When I say commercial in this particular case, I'm referring to both office zoning and commercial retail zoning.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   31:04Okay.

   Cindy Terrapani

   31:06Sorry it wasn't clear, Mr. Director.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   31:07Thank you.

   Cindy Terrapani

   31:10All right.

   Charles GreyChair

   31:14I think there are a couple of people that had questions. Are they on the list?

   Jon Moody

   31:18The first person we have signed up to speak is a Mr. Alan Rose.

   Charles GreyChair

   31:24Has you come up if you give me your name and address, please? For the record.

   Alan Rose

   31:31Allen Rose, [address removed]. I have a presentation for For you all, if you would accept it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   31:41Move to receive and file.

   Alan Rose

   31:42Second. Third, fourth.

   Charles GreyChair

   31:45All in favor? Aye. Okay. You want to just stand?

   32:17So we can start the time when we get these passed out.

   Asin Khalil

   32:23Sorry.

   Charles GreyChair

   32:25Okay,

   Asin Khalil

   32:25cool.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   32:31All right, go right

   Charles GreyChair

   32:32ahead.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   32:32Good

   Alan Rose

   32:32afternoon. Thank you very much for giving me the time. Uh We at golden acres. As we came to you back in the early part of this. I wasn't familiar with how this all worked and didn't have this ready for you. Go on to our community, and our community does not want to see this rezoned. This is a beautiful parcel of three acres. Currently it's part of Golden Acres, phase one, lot two. It's designated within our

   33:02land covenants as a wildlife sanctuary. This is also designated as a residential and agricultural usage within our land covenants. There's an and I brought this once I went for for the first time before you I had to then go to the county commissioners and brought this to them because I wasn't prepared for you at the first time. County commissioners, I brought this to them and They've approved what you've recommended.

   33:31It's lesser of all evils, but we would rather it not be approved for that. We would rather it be maintained to maintain our community. We have a lot of pressure on our community right now from developers. They all want what we have. They want our land. And they want to bring in commercial usage. or special case usage. Things that will alter in effect. How we live. So

   33:58If this gets approved, it then goes we then have to take our covenants and pursue them legally and it becomes a civil matter. That's what I learned at the Board of County Commissioners meeting. We don't want to go there. We just want to have our community maintained. as it is. We don't want to lose what we have. You know, and it's w if we start bringing commercial into what we have, it's going to really dramatically affect the traffic and everything else that comes through our neighborhood. Right now we're in a blighted commercial

   34:28area. You can look right down the street, go the shops at Golden Acres, all the empty buildings there that can never be filled up. You can go. In different locations. Down at Ridge and Little, look at all the empty ones in there. They can't fill 'em up. You look at all these empty commercial spots, and they're not full. They're still building commercial 'cause evidently they can make money by changing the land. and and selling and buying. But look at all the emptiness. All of these empty storefronts that aren't

   34:58filled. Look what happened to the mall. It's not good for our our community. Our community. was built to to be residential. It's built to be agricultural, small agricultural. The transition from us. Too further out. We need to keep what we have. Uh right now you can go and you see on here From Star Trail which is Uh

   35:23all the way south to Grove. And you're gonna see Both communities are ER. There is not one commercial parcel in there. You have a school.

   35:36You have different loc different things, but they're not in in opposition to what we have. You come in with commercial. They haven't decided what they're gonna put there yet. And they're gonna destroy that three acres. And that's really precious to us. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   35:52So you said you didn't want it to be C one commercial.

   Alan Rose

   35:56Right.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   35:57What should it be? I voted against a comprehensive plan amendment when it came before us the

   36:05Board of Commissioners. S saw fit to change the future land use designation to commercial. That only leaves a couple of zoning districts which are suitable for this property and we can't leave a property without zoning, so what should it be?

   Alan Rose

   36:21A state residential.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   36:23Uh they've already changed the future land use designation to com.

   Alan Rose

   36:27Can we change that back? Because they did not, because we've been opposing. Colden Acres. And if you go between Golden Acres and Hilt and uh Ciola Heights. I represent over 200 homeowners that don't want to see this happen and they haven't been listened, they haven't been heard, and that's why I'm here.

   Charles GreyChair

   36:47Okay. Well i I think to answer your uh uh last question N no, you can't change it back because you're not the property owner.

   Alan Rose

   36:56Okay.

   Charles GreyChair

   36:57Um So we're left with what we're left with and now we have to decide. what to do with it. You know, they y you can't No matter what you think, i if you're a neighbor you can't Tell somebody they can't use their property. Period. Yeah, you know, for you can't just say, Well, we like it to be a sanctuary. So You know, I

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   37:19hear you

   Charles GreyChair

   37:20with you know well but well I understand I lived out there for many, many years. In fact I had the we had one of the first houses out there. So I I know a lot about that area and I know about You know the Oceola Heights area. It's not the same zoning in Osseola Heights, by the way. It's it's mobile home zoning.

   Alan Rose

   37:37From Star Trail South it is. They're all ER.

   Charles GreyChair

   37:40Yeah. I'm talking about north. Yeah, it's not AR.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   37:46Would you want to have an estate residence fronting Little Road?

   Alan Rose

   37:52Yeah. You you can go down a all along Little Road from us down to Ridge Road and see all the nice, beautiful homes there are. And you can go north up until you get to the other side of the road.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   38:04a great majority of my life. I mean I see homes that's still front on Little Road and they're being used as home occupations, as offices. These are not pleasant places to live.

   Alan Rose

   38:17Green's Roost has a lot of nice homes in it.

   Charles GreyChair

   38:20The when that area was originally developed there wasn't a little road. And that's that's what changed the whole nature of that. that area there. So a lot of people that have homes on that road now or they've been there for years. and there's still homes, some homes on there, but You don't see anybody building a new home is on a little road right there. And My sister lives right down the street from that, so I'm very familiar with it. So, uh Um

   Alan Rose

   38:49I did contact the next door neighbor, which they had not done. And the next door neighbor the butt abuts up community, he signed the petition to say no as well.

   Jaimie GirardiVice Chair

   38:58So Mr. Chair, just to be clear, the existing zoning of this property is P O Mm-hmm. Residential's not even on the table. Not even within your power to decide today to make that property residential. The the rezoning is from office to commercial. Your only choices are office or commercial. Not residential shouldn't even be part of this discussion.

   Charles GreyChair

   39:20That's that's what I was trying to tell you when you asked me about could you change it back?

   Alan Rose

   39:27That would be have to be acceptable. And then the the covenants

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   39:29on the land, when were those recorded?

   Alan Rose

   39:32They were recorded in seventy eight and they're valid till two thousand twenty eight.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   39:37Till twenty eight.

   Alan Rose

   39:38Yes, sir.

   Charles GreyChair

   39:41And back when f uh that area was originally developed. They had a fairly strong homeowners association in Golden Acres. And they for a long time We were able to prevent commercial f from going there in that on that section. Until they put a little road in. That's when all the The trouble started and then The houses between Plaza Drive and Jasmine Drive. You know, they were s they're basically stuck. Because they were already there. And

   40:12uh Now they had a road going through the middle of it, a commercial road. So You know, the I think that's a good thing.

   40:23From a practical point of view, the only way you can keep it from being developed the way you want it. is for you to get your organization together and buy the land. Just set it aside. And that way you can control it. That's uh Yeah, that would be my suggestion.

   Alan Rose

   40:42Thank you. I'll I'll put it out to the community. That

   Charles GreyChair

   40:45way you're you're in total control of it then.

   Alan Rose

   40:47I know he he's looking to sell it. And

   Charles GreyChair

   40:49then you can change and maybe you can change the zoning back.

   Alan Rose

   40:51Yeah.

   Charles GreyChair

   40:52Yeah. But uh And as but as our Attorney.

   40:59Yeah, the the only considerations we have are Office or commercial.

   Alan Rose

   41:05Thank you.

   Charles GreyChair

   41:07Or that's the situation we're in. But I appreciate your concern. 'Cause I lived there.

   Alan Rose

   41:18Thank you. We just want to preserve what we have as best we can. I understand that. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

   Jon Moody

   41:25The next individual we have signed up to speak is a Joni Wilson.

   Charles GreyChair

   41:33So Ms. Wilson, if you just give your full name and address, please. Yes, sir. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   41:39My name's Joan Wilson. My address is [address removed]. I'm about two properties down.

   Lake Padgett Estate

   41:46Mm-hmm.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   41:48Um I'm not fully opposed to the property being developed. Uh my biggest concerns are high traffic businesses. Um I know gas stations is out, but there's other businesses like fast food or grocery stores or um Uh there's just a lot of things that bring a lot of traffic and also with the vagrant population and drug population so nearby. I see a lot of businesses a little further north by fifty two um that are consumed by people loitering

   42:19around. Um we already have a growing homeless population directly across the street on the south side of Jasmine um that has gotten worse in the last few months. Um and I just feel like it's gonna bring the wrong kind of people, the wrong kind of traffic to the area. There's an um a charter school right down the street, they line up in that little um it's not turn lane, but the merge lane right in front of that property. Um that

   42:49traffic would then have to be on little road, um, blocking traffic and causing problems for both the school and traffic. There's been numerous accidents there since the last meeting about this in October. Just recently there was a car flipped on its side. I think that that intersection, particularly with that big hill right there where people can't see as well. I I feel like that may increase the amount of accidents there. I don't know why that spot's so bad. You can't safely cross

   43:19the street. there with the amount of traffic there is currently and adding a business where people might be doing U-turns or trying to come in and out of the business on Jasmine and Little would make things worse too. um just the pollution depending on what type of business it is, any kind of runoff from vehicles, like if it were to be like an auto shop or something. A lot of people in the neighborhood have gardens and a lot of people in the neighborhood have animals that would be affected by that. I

   Charles GreyChair

   43:51Well I don't think an auto shop would be permitted in that.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   43:53I don't yeah, I don't know what is permitted, but um I don't mind a low traffic business, office spaces or something that doesn't draw a continuous in and

   Charles GreyChair

   44:03out.

   44:08Up uh less than a C one, but they're Beauty salons, doctors' offices, you know, those kinds of things.

   44:18Uses in a C One zone. Grocery stores, intended foods are not it's intended to be a neighborhood use.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   44:25Yeah, and I I mean I would prefer to see it stay office spaces um just because that is much lower traffic than even um like some of the things you mentioned, just people coming and going all day. Office spaces tend to be smaller, attorneys offices, um you know, maybe even construction companies or places where there aren't people coming and going continuously. Yeah.

   Charles GreyChair

   44:47That's really what C one zoning is all about. Is it's for Not the heavy general commercial use like a shopping center.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   44:55Okay. I just feel like I mean it still would be a lot more than like an office where people are just coming to work and staying there mostly. You know, businesses where people are coming and going for a purpose throughout the day will cause more traffic. And I have two teenagers that one's learning to drive. Um, it's bad enough driving as a teenager, just that intersection horrible. We usually try not to even go that way. Um, but the amount of people coming through the neighborhood is surprising. Like that I don't think live in the neighborhood

   45:25but cut through. Um and we're right there at the beginning so anybody coming through will go by our house. We have tons of garbage in our front yard that we have to pick up regularly, um, including I mean like an entire pizza thrown in our front yard one time, baby diapers, alcohol bottles, cans. Um, it's just 'cause everybody's either heading out to Little Road or cutting through and they don't care. Um and the people right there where we are, um cutting through there, they're usually coming off little roads

   45:55speeding. Um, so it just makes it really difficult and I just feel like there's a lot of things, you know, that an increased traffic in that area it's gonna cause problems.

   Charles GreyChair

   46:07Okay. Any other questions or suggestions for the Speaker.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   46:18No.

   Charles GreyChair

   46:18No.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   46:18Thank you.

   Charles GreyChair

   46:19Thank you for coming. Appreciate that.

   46:25Anybody else on the list?

   Jon Moody

   46:27That was the last individual I had signed up there.

   Charles GreyChair

   46:30Okay, Mr. Penny, you wanna come back and Respond. I suppose you've had opportunities to speak to some of the neighbors and

   Cindy Terrapani

   46:39Um yes, actually I did speak with Mr. Rose. He was he attended the December Board of County Commissioners meeting in 2024. We spoke to him then. I got his phone number and his email address, and I promised that I would send him, uh let him know the dates of the hearings, which I did. I have that letter if you would like to see that. And I spoke to him this morning. I did not had not spoken to Ms. Wilson before, but she did attend your hearing back in October and said had the Same similar concern, she didn't want a gas station. So just to be clear again for the record, a gas station will not be allowed, nor

   47:09will a car wash, nor will self-storage facilities based on the deed restriction should you approve it.

   47:16Yeah. Uh Ms. Wilson mentioned a homeless camp. This site had a homeless camp also. It had three dilapidated homes um that were being used as this homeless camp. When my client purchased the property, he demolished the homes and ha had the cops clear out the homeless camp. Um he's recently about two months ago had to clear out for a pretty good fee to him. Um s some debris, construction debris that somebody dumped on the site. So clearly when properties are sitting there, bad things happen, but I think the fact that um there

   47:46is no more homeless camp there and having a d real development will be a benefit. Um just with regard to Jasmine and people driving through on Jasmine, um, unless you live on Jasmine or you live on Hilltop or Osceola or one of those other streets to the east, there's really no reason to to drive east on Jasmine. Um we don't think that very little of our traffic would go there unless they were stopping off on the way home and then continuing home east on Jasmine. Um it's most likely that our when we get into site planning, That access on Jasmine

   48:17would be a right-in, right out. Um, we've had that conversation with your staff, so that again would also further prevent people going east on Jasmine. So I think there's a little, very little impact with regard to that. Um, two final things. Number one, um, Office zoning was approved on this site 28 years ago. It sat there for a long time. It had the houses on there. At some point, the houses became dilapidated and not occupied, but no one ever implemented the office zoning on the site, so I think that tells you something. And now with the comp plan category of

   48:47commercial, I think Mr. Gray said it, Mr. Moody said it also, the only zoning districts that can be put there are C1 or C2. We've agreed to C1 with those deed restrictions. We respectfully request your recommendation of approval. Happy to answer any questions that you might have.

   Charles GreyChair

   49:03All right. Any questions from up here?

   49:09You ready? Yes. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you, Sydney.

   49:15All right, a air motion.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   49:24Which number is this one?

   Charles GreyChair

   49:29Or even a motion for purpose of discussion. Yes.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   49:33I

   Charles GreyChair

   49:33think it's

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   49:34four. PC four. Four.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   49:35Okay. Sorry. So I will move to approve PC four, even though I voted against the comp plan amendment. on this property.

   Charles GreyChair

   49:46I'll second it.

   49:49A motion and a second. Is there further discussion on this motion now?

   49:56Anybody have anything to discuss on the motion?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   49:58Oh I think I I'll just add and I and I appreciate the applicant's willingness to to accept a C one versus a C two. I mean uh considering and we've had cases like this come before us where you're a signalized intersection of main and sub main that cries for some type of commercial use. Um the board spoken, the board's rezoned. Um like Yeah, change the comprehensive plan, the commercial use, so I mean hands are really tied as far as what the zoning can be. So I think the C one for the residents there, although it's not their desired use, I think it's

   50:28kind of the Lesser of all evils and and fortunately the the owner has agreed to those C one uses and those prohibitions that are outlined. in the declaration. So

   Charles GreyChair

   50:40All right, good. Any further discussion? Yeah.

   Jaimie GirardiVice Chair

   50:44Mr. Chairman just to just a cleanup note, the agenda memo says that the traffic analysis is attached to to the agenda, but I don't see that it actually His Unless I'm missing something.

   51:00So I would ask them to make sure that staff before this goes to the board that they if they're gonna say the traffic analysis is attached, they actually need to attach it.

   Brian Junker

   51:08Yes, Brian Juncker, Planning and Development, Economic Growth. Yes, I will uh revise and make sure um to attach it and make it

   51:17Do you guys?

   51:19You can't.

   Jaimie GirardiVice Chair

   51:20Couldn't. Vote on that.

   51:21Okay. Application of that.

   Charles GreyChair

   51:23All right, you'll make sure it's attached, right? Yes. Okay, thank you. All right, so we have a motion and a second for the discussion on the motion. If not. All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, like, sign. Okay. Motion carries.

   51:41All right.

2. 2Jun 17, 2025
   Board of County CommissionersP69Public hearingApproved

   Zoning Amendment (Consent) (Regular) – Kasting LLC/Little Road … Containing Approximately 3.03 acres.

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   Approved as part of the Public Hearing Consent Agenda.

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   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:55:19sixty-nine. Alright, P-69 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times april 30, 2025, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

   Ron Oakley

   1:55:30Item P sixty-nine is PDE 257868. This is a zoning amendment in the name of Casting LLC. Little Road rezoning. Change in zoning from a PO2 professional office district to a C1 neighborhood commercial district in west central Pasco County, northeast corner of the intersection of Little Road and Jasmine Boulevard. On approximately 3.03 acres, and Amy Tull, Assistant Director of Planning Services, will make the presentation.

   Amy Heiler

   1:56:01Good afternoon, Amy Toll with Planning and Development. So today before you is a zoning, a Euclidean zoning amendment. The request is to change from PO2 professional office district to C1 neighborhood commercial district. The existing future land use is currently Calm Flu. The Calm Flu was recently adopted on December 10th, 2024. The purpose of this is to change the zoning

   1:56:31district from PO2 to C1 neighborhood commercial district. And it is located at the northeast corner of the intersection of Little Road and Jasmine Boulevard. So as you can see, this is the subject site location. It is within the embassy district of the West Market area and urban concentration area.

   1:56:51Here's a context map just to highlight some of the uses in proximity. We do have the school of Christian Academy to the north. It is at the intersection of Jasmine Boulevard and Little Road. Here's just a zoomed in aerial version.

   1:57:09The future land use is currently calm. The subject site is surrounded by Res One and Res VI.

   1:57:18Uh current zoning is PO2. There is a state residential to the north and east, existing PO2 to the south and C1 to the west.

   1:57:32So a little uh project overview. So the subject site is, as previously stated, three point oh three acres. Access from the property is from Little Road, uh County Maintain Arterial Roadway, um and Jasmine Boulevard, a County Maintain Collector Roadway. There is a conceptually trans Uh conceptually planned trail, excuse me, tongue-tied, uh segment under the name of Little Road Trail, located on the west side of Little Road. Um, there is no priority in the capital improvement for this segment. And uh

   1:58:02the applicant has volunteered a deed restriction to restrict uh three uses being a um uh excuse me uh Uh self-storage or not self-storage facil facility. I just had this. Uh sorry, gas station car wash and self-storage facility. Um this was all part of the action that occurred in December to align with the sub-area policy that was implemented on the calm flu. And with that, we recommend approval of the

   1:58:32requested rezoning amendment from the Planning Commission and Planning Development and Economic Growth. I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have.

   Lisa Yeager

   1:58:41What

   Amy Heiler

   1:58:41did you say was behind that parcel? Um, behind north, south, east, west. North.

   1:58:52Is currently a state residential. That is um a project that is currently under review. You actually just approved a continuance, the Little Road P D and M Puty. That was a mixed use project that's has some stormwater mitigation they have to figure out.

   Lisa Yeager

   1:59:10So this rezoning is for that project.

   Amy Heiler

   1:59:12Uh no, this rezoning is south of that. Oh in a butt set, yeah. Okay. So this is just for C two C one, excuse me, neighborhood commercial. Yeah.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:59:22Why are the parcels looking kinda wonky there? What's the green line to the left of PO two?

   Amy Heiler

   1:59:29Uh w to which PO two?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:59:31To the west. To the west. Okay, I

   1:59:33see

   1:59:34Little Road. Is that just your lines are not lined up or

   Amy Heiler

   1:59:36Yeah, those are just the parcels, how the parcels are actually delineated.

   1:59:42So that's our parcel lines.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:59:43It looked like that's a right-of-way corridor.

   Amy Heiler

   1:59:45Yeah, I don't

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:59:46I think

   1:59:46that's a good idea.

   Amy Heiler

   1:59:50It it does appear that as Yeah. So this is the parcel.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:59:55Yeah.

   Amy Heiler

   1:59:56Static

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:59:58to the left of that pink parcel? Can

   Amy Heiler

   2:00:00you go back to that one?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:00:01Yeah.

   Lisa Yeager

   2:00:02This one?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:00:02Mm-hmm.

   2:00:05Are those lines right?

   Kathy Pearson

   2:00:07Yes.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:00:09Interesting.

   Ron Oakley

   2:00:10If you go back to the blue button.

   2:00:15The flu.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:00:16It looks like cloning I'm sorry.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:00:18It's right away.

   Ron Oakley

   2:00:20This map is simply showing how the zoning districts are flowing through, if you will, the right-of-way parcels as well.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:00:28Okay.

   2:00:31All right. Um you have some. I don't need a presentation. But does an do any other board members want more of a presentation? No than this from the aquatown. Do you have someone signed up? Okay. It looks like the applicant wants to speak.

   Ron Oakley

   2:00:43I think she's way good.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:00:48And then do we have other people sign up?

   Cindy Terrapani

   2:00:51Good afternoon, Cindy Terrapani. I'm the authorized representative for the applicant. I don't need to speak, much as I'm happy to hear be here with you guys. I don't need to speak. Um if there are anyone who's gonna speak in opposition, I would like to have some time for rebuttal if that's correct.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:01:05So I don't know if they're for or against, but if you want to wait, you can always come back to the

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:01:09right-of-way. All

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:01:10right,

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:01:11is there anyone here to speak to this issue? Well before uh Alan Rose is signed up. So Alan you can be first. And is there anyone else here besides Alan

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:01:21that wants to speak to this? Just raise your hand. No.

   Ron Oakley

   2:01:24Move the re receiving file. Second.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:01:27All in favor? Aye.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:01:28Aye. Yeah.

   2:01:32Mr. Rose, if you'll just give your name and address for the record. Yes.

   Alan Rose

   2:01:35Alan Rose, [address removed]. This has been a continuing thing. We've been working at this for a long time and Things keep being brought forward so I thought I'd bring you the full picture. Within one block radius of this parcel, there are thirty homesteads, all one acre or more. Many of them are equestrian, Or farms, this does not is not consistent with the neighborhood. I give you 20, they're all listed there,

   2:02:06Osceola Heights, Colonel Acres. I can go to the other side of the block and give you another 20, all with one acre or more. These are a state residential neighborhood. It's a beautiful neighborhood. There is no commercial.

   2:02:20Jasmine. From Lake Hugh. Due west three miles. You will not find a commercial parcel. You would not find a commercial parcel for three miles. You can then take a From Grove Street on Little Road, Grove Street northbound, four miles. The only place you're gonna find a commercial is where 52 intersects little. There are n this commercial. They represent that there's all kinds of commercial around. Not in this location. This is our neighborhood. It is a residential neighborhood. And We've

   2:02:51lost everything else, but I want to keep as long as it keeps coming up and we're gonna keep bringing it forward to you. This is not consistent with the neighborhood. And when I'm up here speaking to you, I am speaking representing approximately two hundred residents. That have all signed my petitions. You've seen the petitions come your way. I make sure you see it. The community does not want to see commercial development here.

   2:03:14That's up. Thank you.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:03:19Is there anyone else who wishes to speak to this? Right, isn't this zoned office already? I mean this is it has

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:03:26commercial zoning today.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:03:27Yes, it has zoning to uh nope, sorry Ellen.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:03:31These people who have just moved up. Was there someone

   Cindy Terrapani

   2:03:33else who wanted to speak?

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:03:35Do you want to speak to this item?

   Cindy Terrapani

   2:03:37I

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:03:41Okay.

   2:03:45All right.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:03:48No, no, no.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:03:48Then

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:03:49you

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:03:49need to get up and sp and feature them if that's what you want to do.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:03:55And when you come to the podium, just give your name and address for the record and then

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:03:59you

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:03:59have three minutes.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:04:00Judy Armstrong, [address removed]. Okay. That's just that uh just like Alan said, it is all residential around there. It's right next to residential. It's residential across the street. I mean How do you get around trying to say it's commercial? And our our deed work shows that it's supposed to stay that way, you know, so why do you think you should change it and if it was your subdivision you wouldn't like it. So please don't do

   2:04:30it to ours. We didn't a we you know, we shouldn't have to be coming in here and guarding our neighborhood from people who are encroaching on it in a in a dishonest manner it seems like. It is residential. I mean it's really residential. It's a it's a bird sanctuary for crying out loud. And so you wanna bring more people in to run over more of our sandhill cranes and and all the other animals and all the turtles and all those things that cross the

   2:05:00road that you have to get out for and move to protect them. Um something's wrong. It just shouldn't happen. So thank you. Jeff

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:05:09did Thank you. Did she need to be sworn in?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:05:11Oh. Okay. Yeah.

   2:05:17She lives two miles away here.

   Cindy Terrapani

   2:05:20Good afternoon, Cindy Terrapani, Tarp Terrapani Planning Strategies 128 East Tarpon Avenue, Tarpon Springs. I am the authorized representative for the Castang LLC, who is the property owner, not the applicant, app also the applicant, but the property owner. The Castangs bought this property about a year and a half ago. It had um three uh dilapidated homes that were being used as a homeless camp. They demolished the homes. Worked with the uh your Sheriff's Department to move the homeless off the property. They've cleaned up the property substantially,

   2:05:50and they come to you with this plan amendment which you approved unanimously in December last year, with the sub-area uh special area plan policies that we restrict the uses. We have done those restrictions through a deed restriction, which is before you today, and we are committed to that. That deed restriction states that These these are the prohibited uses. We cannot have a car wash, a gas station, or self-storage, or any of the live local uh requirements. So I that in in previous hearings those were the main objections both by uh the

   2:06:20this commission, by the planning commission, and by the folks who spoke. We've only had a couple of people speak throughout this hearing, Mr. Rose being uh one of them. One quick comment about the deed restrictions. Mr. Rose keeps talking about the deed restrictions, and you all are well aware that that's a private matter between the property owners. But furthermore, my client uh requested a title commitment from his title company from a national company, and that those deed restrictions did not pull up in that title policy. So we don't believe that this property is subject to them. Back to the land use

   2:06:50issues. Um this property is at the a signalized intersection of two major roads. Jasmine Boulevard is an arterial. Little Road, as you all know, is a collector. I just um just a couple of comments that the Planning Commission made when they also recommended it unanimously. They recognize that when R Little Road was put in the area was changed. Mr Grace said that He further said that no one's building homes on Little Road. And it was recognized that it really can't go back to residential. It does have a commercial plan category today, so the

   2:07:20only really uses that we could put on it would be commercial uses. We're committed to the C1 and we requested C one with the deed restrictions that are before you today. Um I would just respectfully request your approval. I'm happy to answer any questions that you might have.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:07:39Um

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:07:41My my question is for staff. Sure.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:07:44Okay. Is our gas is the gas station allowed here? No ma'am. It's

   Cindy Terrapani

   2:07:48prohibited. That's one of the the four there's four prohibited uses. Gas station, car wash, self storage, and live local. And that's in the deed restriction that's uh on the

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:07:56agenda today. Well I always think the chair should go last. I want to see what comments my Fellow board members have here. D do you have any questions for

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:08:07staff. For our s our staff.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:08:09Yeah, m mine could be for either. Yeah.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:08:10So stay

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:08:11stay

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:08:12nearby. So again, this this parcel's not part of the Golden Acres. Community, correct?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:08:18Correct.

   Amy Heiler

   2:08:19From hard findings that

   Cindy Terrapani

   2:08:23well first of all the the it is a replat of a part of Golden Acres as a legal description, yes. Um it is not part of the Golden Acres residential community. As I mentioned, my client uh requested a title commitment and that National Title Company did not pull those deed restrictions up as a restriction on the property. So we don't believe that the deed restrictions that Mr. Rose continues to talk about apply to our property. Even if they did, which we don't believe they do. That, as you all know very well, is a private matter between us and the other property

   2:08:53owners. So the short answer to your question, Mr. Whiteman, is no, we do not believe it is part of Golden Acres, except that it was a replat of a plat named Golden Acres, but it's not part of the residential community. Amy?

   Amy Heiler

   2:09:07I agree with that. So through our due diligence, um we actually did review the plat that was submitted as part of the legal description for this property and it does not fall within the golden acres that they are subject to. Golden Acres Residential. Correct.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:09:21And those are

   Amy Heiler

   2:09:21two

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:09:22and Golden Acres residential is a separate

   Amy Heiler

   2:09:25Correct. The plat that was um previously identified uh through the uh budding residents, that plat does not show these parcels as part of that plat.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:09:38Okay, um my

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:09:39question is there just seems to be contradictory. Look uh I appreciate the advocacy by the the residents for the both projects here. This is a good idea. Clearly a a major roadway. Now. I mean you To hold T to to hold properties hostage. It's just a little bit more than a little bit.

   2:10:05Not But whether by the county or people who don't own them. That's just That's just a a tough a tough way to to do things. Um If this is not if you're saying you have customers saying that it is part of it, and you're saying it's not I think I think I think there needs to be Uh maybe there's just an impasse between What we know is fact and what the residents believe they know is fact.

   2:10:37Um On the project to the the north of it, right? Yeah, to the north of it, then the south and then depending on I don't know what's going to go on the the southeast corner of of of Jasmine and uh little there. I think there was a house there that was demolished at some point in time. But today it stands is there are commercial uses, there's commercial zoning on these three parcels, correct?

   Amy Heiler

   2:11:04PO2, so office.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:11:06So the intensity the way I understood it is the intensity of uses is is virtually the same?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:11:11Correct.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:11:13Madam Chairman Mariano.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:11:14Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:11:15if this helps. So on December tenth of twenty four You change the future land use designation of these parcels to commercial. And now we're switching them to commercial. As a future land use, and now you're making the zoning consistent with what you did in December.

   Amy Heiler

   2:11:33Correct. And the zone and at that public hearing um the action was to at l to control the zoning district to C1, so it's more of a neighborhood scale, lower intensity than your C2 district would allow.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:11:49So now we're in a position of if it's anything other than that, we'd be in trouble for The down down zoning. Yeah, well.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:11:58you

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:11:58shouldn't have changed

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:11:59the

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:11:59future

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:12:00of

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:12:00the

   2:12:00right-of-way.

   2:12:06it's Gain to step up now it's kinda locked in.

   Amy Heiler

   2:12:10Correct. Yeah, it's it's a calm flu now, so any zoning action would be required to be consistent with that commercial future land use.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:12:21Are you able to tell us what the use is potentially gonna be on this site? Medical office or something?

   Cindy Terrapani

   2:12:27I I wish I would, um Commissioner. Um my client has does not have anything under contract at this point to sell it to, um so we d we just do not know what the potential uses would be. Medical office is one, professional office would be allowed. Um general retail would be allowed in the C one, but again, those four uses that are in the deed restriction would never be allowed, car wash, uh, self-storage, and gas station and live local.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:12:53So somebody explain to me. Amy, it's back on your your side of of things.

   2:13:00What the why is there why the disconnect between What we're being being told by professional staff and then what the residents are believing that it is part of the Golden Acres Plat.

   Amy Heiler

   2:13:11Sure. Um we have continued conversations with them since the Comp Plan amendment was being proposed, and that's when staff did their due diligence to confirm where the subject site is located. So we pulled the property appraiser cards, ran the legal descriptions and the plats that were associated to those, and the plat that was subject to the golden acres phase of the residential community, that plat specifically does not identify these parcels as part

   2:13:41of that plat, and the legal description does not support that as well.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:13:45A a picture outline of what's in the Golden Acres Plat and what's not?

   Amy Heiler

   2:13:49We if you give us a minute we could find it. I could pull it up.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:13:55Yeah.

   Cindy Terrapani

   2:14:06Unfinished porch. I'm finished garage.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:14:12Is that when you're

   Unidentified speaker

   2:14:13Mm-hmm.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:14:15And I ask for this because there are multiple. parcels along the little road that I think are going to add conflict between residents and what this the decisions this board has to make. So for future. knowledge. What does this little? Yeah. That's a C B S. Jasmine, that's C B S.

   Ron Oakley

   2:14:38On our CVS right there.

   Panos Conces

   2:14:53Maybe.

   Amy Heiler

   2:14:55She's gonna scan it in so she actually has the plat that is currently um being discussed from the residents and then the replat as well. So you'll see that it's not.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:15:05I just I I guess I'm just looking for comfort in the clear legalese on the record. from you all to us about what is Golden Acres Plat. And then what is neighboring to go the Golden Acres is in Chaplatt. Check it out.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:15:27Um, I have a question for you. Um actually it might be for for the applicant. I just depending on what happens to the north, I want to make sure there's some kind of connectivity that's in our rules, right?

   Amy Heiler

   2:15:42Yeah, so um actually this has been a proactive approach with the county in both Applicants with the Little Road project that you're reviewing today, the rezoning and the Little Road PDM PewDieP. There is connectivity between both the commercial area and actual connectivity pedestrian and vehicular to ensure that we kind of planned both projects as if they were one. There's supposed to be more of a unified connection

   2:16:12between the two that are occurring between the conditions of approval. Because

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:16:17there's there's an opportunity here with the size of this property and the and the property to the north to make some

   2:16:25entertainment area for the community. Um something special rather than just a strip mall that is Vanilla Blah.

   Amy Heiler

   2:16:34Yeah, absolutely.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:16:34Um And is that is the trail I mean we we have reservation for I know we don't have the money, but we have the reservation for a multi-use trail along the side correct of Little.

   Amy Heiler

   2:16:45And that's all set forth in that MPUD of the butting to the north, or at least proposed to be. So I I personally

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:16:51think um that it's not part of the residential part of the community and that If if w if we do it right it could be an asset to the

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:17:03what what we're trying to what I'm trying to do, I want to make sure Mr. Rose and everybody he's representing, and we know there's a whole bunch of people, that everybody has is singing from the same script. of music. That way there's no disconnect. Everybody's looking at the same documents. We're basing the decisions off of the documents that we see they're looking out for the community and they know the history of the documents. We're basing our decisions on and everybody has the same Information. All right.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:17:32I saw those when I had my meeting, they showed me the documents, but

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:17:36it's been that's been a while. I'm looking for a re okay a refresher. All right, so

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:17:43they're doing some research here?

   Cindy Terrapani

   2:17:45So the to answer the commissioner's question, this is Golden Acres Unit One, which you're seeing. Now keep in mind that Little Road didn't extend this far north. So when this was platted, I believe 1978. So here's Golden Acres. is to like just off that plat just a little bit. So and the other reason I've highlighted the yellow is I just highlighted the streets just to give my you know just to orient myself. It's a little again like a little tricky to say because Little Road

   2:18:15does not exist this far north when this was platted. Now if you go to the second page this is the property that is the rezoning case. It's all of this property all four lots It's a replat. a part of the original Golden Acres, but again it's not in this original plat. that had the deed restrictions. And again, my client has a title company who has issued a title policy that states that does not include those deed restrictions as one of the ex as one of the requirements. So we do not believe we're subject to that. I

   2:18:46would also say that after the December meeting um with the at the Plan Amendment before you all in December in twenty twenty four. We w uh my client and I spoke to Mr. Rose after the meeting. I committed to him that I would call him and email him when with when our uh public hearing was scheduled for the rezoning He seemed fine with the deed restrictions as we again we talked about at that at y'all's hearing in December. He seemed fine with it, so I was kind of mystified when he showed up because I did send him a letter and I did tell him about the hearing before any notice went out. And also, Mr.

   2:19:16Rose is not with anywhere near the notice area. He's about a mile and a half away on Hilltop, which is the next road east of this site, next road that the next north-south road. Road east of of Little Road. So while I appreciate his um activity and his a and his advocacy, um he I I'm not really I don't quite understand how he would be affected. Um we are going to be

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:19:38it's not there's a there's a a a neighboring parcel that's up For review. Yeah, a whole bunch of people came out. Mr. Rogers, he advocates for different things on our coast and everything else so I think he has a little bit of credibility on what what he represents in the community he represents. So Amy

   2:20:00You say you believe you you believe that there's not the deed restriction on there. It's a black and white issue for me. Are there the Golden Acres deed restrictions, residential deed restrictions on these parcels or not? It's a it's yes or no. I don't want to believe we believe it's either they were there or

   Cindy Terrapani

   2:20:17they're not. The title company paid for title policy issued to my client says they are not.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:20:22They are not.

   Cindy Terrapani

   2:20:22And they are the as far as I'm concerned, they're much more of an expert than I would be. That's a title company. They do the research, as you all know. Um, we have that title policy. If you want me to enter it in record, I would. It does not list the deed restrictions that Mr. Rose and these folks are are discussing, does not list that as an exception to the title policy.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:20:43Okay. I think it's a good thing. Because this keeps coming up, Chair, should we add that title policy into the record because we keep having these This is such an old project from decades and decades ago. County Attorney, should we add that type of level of detail? into the record for these as these older communities evolve. Ms.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:21:06Madam Chairman M Commissioner, I

   2:21:10Whether or not there are deed restrictions is really irrelevant to your zoning decision. And as I said before, I think when you when you made the change in December, you set the zoning that this parcel was going going to be having in the future.

   Unidentified speaker

   2:21:30Mm-hmm.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:21:33If if there if there are deed restrictions and that then it's a civil action between the property owners. But There's been nothing shown And I you know, I Trust. Planning departments, reviews.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:21:55Over decision that we made, like unintentional consequences, I guess is what I'm saying. That's that's what I want to do. Well the civil

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:22:01action would likely be between the property o this property owner and this board. Well.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:22:09Um I have a question. Um I notice well first of all I don't know what a replat is. Um so I don't know the significance of that. One. Two um I replatt

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:22:19is when you when you plat over something that has already been platted once. What year did that have been?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:22:26Why d d why did they do that? Did they divide it into four lots or I don't know what why would someone do that? Just curious.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:22:32Under modern theory. Not having gone back and looked at the seventies This says the portion of a tract three, which then means that they were carving up lots from a tract, which is a larger section of the flat.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:22:46All right, and so see I notice on the right that l that long narrow strip, which is that a Right away. An easement? Uh what is that?

   Cindy Terrapani

   2:22:56Um it is not a right away. I believe it's a it's an easement. I think if I'm reading it, I think it's thirty foot drainage easement, Amy. What's that shell song?

   Amy Heiler

   2:23:04Uh yes, it reads uh thirty foot drainage utility and private ingress and egress easement. So it's accessed. Whose

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:23:11whose district is this?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:23:12Mine. Ingress and private ingress and egress. Okay. So then I noticed that um the lot to the north also had that road. Um that that that project had eroded also that he is vacating, an easement or whatever you want to call it. So to me these parcels were separated Potentially by a road.

   Unidentified speaker

   2:23:38Back on. I don't know. Well

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:23:41I understand.

   Amy Heiler

   2:23:42Yeah. Yeah. And that one was actually so that one is perpendicular to what was on the image.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:23:48Right. So these are kind of like partioned off access. So I feel even stronger in your position. That's what I'm saying.

   Amy Heiler

   2:23:55Yeah, because the project to the north was essentially like a flag lot. that had a potential access which I believe that applicant has an agreement to try to dedicate to that community.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:24:06Chairman

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:24:08All kinds of illegal stuff going on on these lots too, I hate to say.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:24:11Yeah. I I don't know. I I like to make Obviously w we don't know what the future is of this project in the lot in the section to the north of it. I'd like well, they're two different owners. Because whatever decision needs to be made, they need to be consistent and complementary of each other. I agree with that.

   Amy Heiler

   2:24:32I would just put out there as well as a reminder, so in December when we did execute the comp plan amendment with the sub-area policy, the sub area policy restricted the zoning district to C one. So that's the option for the zoning matter here. If there would be a change, um then you would have to come back in

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:24:52for a comment. I'm not so sure of the f what the what the what the fate of the project is to the north of it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   2:24:59Correct.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:25:00Yeah. I I'd like to have a better understanding of where that's gonna land before Before this. because depending on what happens to it they I think they need to be complimentary and complimentary in the neighborhood. So I don't know. My my my my instinct right now is until we get an update on what happens to the north of it. is to continue this. I I think we need to see a bigger picture plan for for what's going on here.

   Cindy Terrapani

   2:25:27I'll support that too. Mr.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:25:28Yeager? Yeah.

   Cindy Terrapani

   2:25:30With all due respect, we've been in this process more than a year and a half. totally separate owners. We are as I understand from um from Amy that there is gonna be a requirement that the property to the north, because it is an M P D be required to stub out. We will accept that stub out and that connection through our property. They might want to come down and get to the light, but This is our own case. We're standing on our own two feet. We'd respectfully request that we get approved today and then whatever connection needs to be made. We're we're a Euclidean project. We don't ha you don't have any ability to impose

   2:26:00that on us, but we're agreeing to do it. We will accept their road coming through. We obviously want to coordinate with them where it goes. But They they need to stand on their own and we need to stand on our own and we've Like I said, we've been in this process over a year and a half. My client cannot move forward. He can't get any users for the property. He's standing still, paying a mortgage. And now I'm dependent on some other case?

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:26:21No. No, I appreciate your advocacy. But uh these are definitely two complimentary parcels of what's going on here. And um I haven't had an update from from staff or anybody on what's going on to the north and what's this. I mean look Things are moving in. We're talking about views view sheds earlier. You heard a debate over over over the views of boatshed covers and areas we represent. We got people who are upset because they're losing views of their pasture. Life is changing in Pasco. And these infill

   2:26:52projects are not a good idea. on major roadways are going to have an impact and change life on people a little bit. So the decisions as we come in and do these these infill projects come through, we got one shot at making sure the decision is the best decision we make for the neighborhood and for the betterment of our county. So a few more weeks I think is appropriate because I'd like to get an update from staff on what's going on to the project. to the north of it. So I'd I'd like to continue this um for another couple of weeks until I get an update from Whoever needs to come comes come

   2:27:22see us. And Mr. Rose, if you and your folks wanna wanna call our office that way we can understand better from your

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:27:30So Mr. D they They have have zoning approval already.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:27:35Have future land use.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:27:36Future land use.

   Seth WeightmanSecond Vice Chair

   2:27:37Okay, we're allowed to continue it.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:27:42This is your district. You think someone can build a house

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   2:27:45on

   Lisa Yeager

   2:27:46that corner?

   2:27:49Does this match our future land use map? Yes. So the rezoning would match it. Correct. Then I'm okay with it.

   Amy Heiler

   2:28:01And again, there's a sub-area policy attached to the comp plan, so the future land use, which means they're limited to C1 with restricted uses only.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:28:16I take a motion.

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   2:28:19Um

   Lisa Yeager

   2:28:20I

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   2:28:20I'll move to approve.

   Ron Oakley

   2:28:22Direct.

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   2:28:24All in favor?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:28:25Aye. Aye. Opposed? Aye.

   2:28:30All right.