PDE-26-0173

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1. 1Nov 20, 2025
   Planning CommissionAP13Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   An Ordinance Amending The Pasco County Comprehensive Plan; Plan Amendment (Regular) - CPAS25(11) DRB Little Road and Ross Lane – Providing For A for a Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment To The to the Future Land Use Map (Map 2-15 And Maps (2-15 and Sheet 10) Changing From from COM (Commercial) And and RES-9 (RESIDENTIAL -9 DU/GA) To (Residential-9 du/ga) to RES-6 (RESIDENTIAL-6 DU/GA) On (Residential-6 du/ga) on Approximately 26.2 Acres Of of Real Property Located Approximately 600 Feet East Of The of the Intersection Of of Little Road And and Ross Lane; And Providing For Additional Text Amendments As Necessary For Internal Consistency; Providing For a Repealer, Severability, And An Effective Date. Lane.

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   Moody

   1:08:25The next item that we have on the regular agenda, we're gonna jump a little bit to item AP13. You'll be sitting as the local planning agency for this item. And it has a companion MPUD, which is P10, DRB Little and Ross M PUD. Item AP13 is PDE 260173, a comprehensive plan amendment in the name of CPAS 2511, DRB, Little Road and Loth Ross Lane, excuse me, providing for a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps 2 15 and Sheet 10,

   1:08:56changing from COM Commercial and Res 9, residential 9 dwelling units per gross acre, to res 6, residential 6 dwelling units per gross acre on approximately Approximately 26.2 acres of real property, located approximately 600 feet east of the intersection of Little Road and Ross Lane. And this is coming with the recommendation that the local planning agency find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan presented by staff.

   Amy Heiler

   1:09:29All right, good afternoon. Amy Toll, Planning Development and Economic Growth. Before you is PDE 26-0173. It's a proposed comprehensive plan amendment in the name of CPAS twenty-one eleven, DRB, Little and Ross.

   1:09:46The proposal is a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment to change the future land use from COM and Res 6, or I'm sorry, COM and RES 9 to Res 6. The proposal is to allow for a maximum of 74 single-family dwelling units located approximately 0.18 miles east of the intersection of Little Road and Ross Lane. There is a companion MPUD to follow this presentation. Properties located in the West Market area and urban service area.

   1:10:16Here's a visual of the context map. There's an existing residential development to the east. Subject site is currently vacant. There's a commercial located along the corridor of Little Road up to Ridge Road. Commercial to the north as well.

   1:10:33Here's an aerial view of the proposed site.

   1:10:40The existing feature land use is currently Res9 and Calm. As you can see, there's Res9 to the east, commercial to the north and west, ROR and Res9 to the south.

   1:10:53Proposed development is or the proposed language change is to res six.

   1:11:01Existing zoning district is currently C apportion C two and A C with C two along the corridor.

   1:11:10Uh following policies are consistent with the comprehensive plan or the following amendment is consistent with comprehensive plan policies. I always say that backwards, I'm sorry.

   1:11:20And the following uh policies are not consistent with the proposed area.

   1:11:27And with that, we recommend the local planning agency find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan, and I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have, unless you would like to see the PowerPoint for the MPUD also.

   GreyChair

   1:11:42Okay. Anybody wanna see the PowerPoint? Oh.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:11:48Mr. Chair, this item came to the County Attorney's Office very late. Um and we still have a lot of issues with some of the statements in the memo and they need to be corrected, but I think those are things that probably can be fixed after The Planning Commission acts. I don't w they're too numerous to go through today, but it There's a reason why I came to you so late on the agenda.

   Amy Heiler

   1:12:16All right.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:12:27Good afternoon. Barbara Will Heights, [address removed]. I just have one presentation. So if you would like to hear the staff's MPUD presentation, Then the public can hear all your presentations, my presentation before they speak. I think that would be a good order of things if you agree.

   GreyChair

   1:12:43That's fine.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:12:58Good afternoon, William from Million Planning Development, Economic Growth. Before I get started, I have a couple expartes to submit to the clerk's office.

   1:13:08Mm-mm.

   Stacey Burgess

   1:13:16Well.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:13:51Uh the Companion Zoning Amendment to the Comprehensive Plan Amendment, the DRB Little and Ross MPD, PDE 267893. Here is the current location within the western uh market area. This is a rezoning request from agricultural AC to MPD master plan unit development to allow for the maximum development of 74 single-family detached units and associated infrastructure on approximately 26.2 acres. This is northeast of Little Road

   1:14:22and the Ross Lane intersection.

   1:14:26Here is the location map. The MPD outlined in red to the south being Ross Lane, commercial out parcels as you move west towards Little Road, and to the south is the VA.

   1:14:39Here's the existing zoning map. the existing future land use map showing that a portion of the site is commercial and a portion of this site is currently Res9.

   1:14:54Yeah. Yeah. Uh that about point five miles to the north is the Little Road and Ridge Road intersection and the Veterans Affairs, of course, to the to the south. This is the MPUD master plan. which illustrates some pedestrian infrastructure both internal and external to the development. I'm gonna skip forward slightly to the binding concept plan, which illustrates this a little bit more clearly,

   1:15:24but notably here we can see that these are a minimum 60-foot lots for the single family detached.

   1:15:32Here is the binding concept plan oriented on the PowerPoint. I know it looks a little weird, but that's to keep the north arrow. uh pointing north, you can see the access off of Ross Lane and the sidewalk that will be built along the frontage uh on the north side of Ross Lane, as well as the seventeen feet of additional dedication for Ross Lane. There in yellow, as you move west towards the Little Road intersection, you can see the off-site segment of sidewalk. That

   1:16:02this project is constructing that is mobility fee credible since it is an offsite improvement. As we move further north, highlighted in red is the eight-foot pathway being built on site to the south of the stormwater facilities and then along the access road of the adjoining commercial properties. And then finally, in orange is the six foot path internal that navigates from the cross access on the east north

   1:16:33around the stormwater facilities and to the eight foot path in red.

   1:16:41Here is a drone connectivity exhibit that the applicant was kind enough to provide, which shows the current subject site. And uh the same applicable coloring of the m different multi-use segments that I just mentioned on the connectivity plan. the orange segment, the red segment. and the off site yellow segment in conjunction with the onsite green segment along Ross Lane.

   1:17:09There's one variation request.

   1:17:13Yeah. Uh proposal here from 901611, street design and dedication requirements to not provide an interconnect to the north or directly to the west. To the north.

   1:17:28Um If we move back towards the aerial, that is uh the current Lowe's uh there that's uh on the south side of Ridge Road. That southern portion of the Lowe's is the loading dock and side access for the trucks. And to the west you can see the commercial outpartial division that's already begun through commercial subdivision. um within the overall polygon of the com flu. in lieu of a complete

   1:17:59vehicular connect directly to the West, the applicant is providing pedestrian connections to the West in in the form of that eight use path.

   1:18:08as well as uh the fact that the the main western connection is gonna be on Ross Lane, which is approximately nine hundred feet south of where that western connection would be. It's a very short distance away and serves as the most meaningful vehicular connection. I will point out that the signalization of Ross Lane and Little Road is currently at 30% design with the county as it's on the CIP. with construction anticipated

   1:18:39fiscal year twenty seven. those signalization improvements. do include an additional right turn lane being built on R on Ross Lane westbound on to Little Road as well as intersection improvements to Little Road. uh for both uh the northbound and southbound left turn lanes from Little Road.

   1:19:02Pursuant to the conditions of approval the applicant's gonna be paying a proportional share for these improvements as a as a part of this development at $128,000.

   1:19:21And with with that being said, uh PDE is amenable to the variation request for for those following reasons and come to you with a recommendation of approval with the rezoning request uh with conditions to the Board of County Commissioners. I'm here for any questions.

   Christopher Poole

   1:19:35So the Interconnect to the East, what is that going to?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:19:43That that is a a stub out in case there's uh future development. Right now there's a a single family home that's there that actually gets their access from the neighborhood. Um as you move a little bit further east on Ross Lane. if I had a a larger aerial their access is actually off of one of those internal streets. It's along Dirt driveway where they have an easement.

   Christopher Poole

   1:20:08Okay. So we're just gonna put a stub there to know to nowhere, basically.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:20:13Yeah, that that was part of the subdivision actually originally the building.

   GreyChair

   1:20:16Excuse me, I'm sorry, we can't speak from the audience. You'll have a chance to speak.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:20:23Yeah, you Yes. So you'll you'll notice that the it's it's just a a stub in case they they ever sell sell their property. Yes sir.

   GreyChair

   1:20:34Okay, any other questions?

   School District Representative

   1:20:37That sidewalk that goes out it looks like toward the Windy's. That's when it's off the property there'll be something to

   Planning and Development staff

   1:20:44connect that so

   School District Representative

   1:20:44they're not involved.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:20:45Are you speaking uh to the yellow segment or the red segment? The yes, sir.

   1:20:55this property and give uh pedestrian access to the the Wendys and the commercial development there. Okay. Thank you.

   GreyChair

   1:21:04Okay. Thank you.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:21:10Good afternoon again. Barbara Wilhite, [address removed]. I bring my laptop because I can't see up there.

   1:21:20I know. If staff can bring up my PowerPoint.

   1:21:29I'll start with saying um I'm happy to be here. I have represented this property in its prior life with an another potential developer who was gonna develop uh multifamily. Rental. So I've met these neighbors. We've come along a journey together to get to this place where we're gonna do 70 DRB, my client's gonna do 74 single-family homes. 6,000 square foot lots, 60 60 foot wide, very compatible with Crescent Forest, which is a very nice neighborhood to our east. So I think we've come up

   1:21:59with something. We had a neighborhood neighbor meeting the other night, well received, and uh and my clients working with Crescent Forest. They have a very nice entry wall. ornamental wall and my client's gonna do something very similar so that our neighbor neighbor d community community will have some continuity of quality Um when even not only with the home sites being the larger homes, but also along our frontage. So they are well underway to working together as as n as

   1:22:29new neighbors.

   1:22:33So I probably should do this properly.

   1:22:38Staff has done a good job showing you the context obviously where we're at and we all know it's just north of here. Um This is the shows you where this little bit of commercial is. It's really remnant commercial in my view. What happens is when somebody cites commercial, sometimes they don't get the boundary right and this is that scenario. The commercial has is located itself along Little Road. It's called Little Road Landings Commercial, and it's already platted and it has the depth

   1:23:08needed for commercial. So to me it's just a mapping. This is a mapping issue of remnant commercial, in my opinion. And this is the calm.

   1:23:21Interesting, under the current land use which is res9 and com, there could be 421 dwelling units. We are proposing 74, which is an eighty-two percent reduction. We could have said let's take this land use to res nine, because it already is res9 and com, but we actually down it to res six.

   1:23:45Went somewhere. Um

   1:23:49Oh. You guys are really trying to mess with me. Can't see and I can see that anyway. Can't see and it's black.

   1:24:02That's funny.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:24:03What are you talking about? It's right there. Yeah,

   1:24:05that's right.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:24:05Oh my goodness. I'm glad you're all helping me out here.

   Christopher Poole

   1:24:08We we can see it up here.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:24:10Okay. Well

   Christopher Poole

   1:24:12We used to be able to

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:24:13I have ruined all of that. I am going on vacation on Saturday for a week and I'm excited about it. Um So, as we were saying, even though the I think it's remnant commercials just 'cause sometimes you don't get the lines It does produce the ability to have some some pretty intense um numbers when it comes to square footage. Um this would take that to zero. So the residents would know they would have residential next to them and no more commercial. Height is interesting, this is in the urban service area, so currently

   1:24:43the property has no height limit. Our height limit in our conditions um leaves us l is only two stories. As you've heard, we're proposing the 60 74 single-family homes, 60-foot lots. We did a binding concept plan. We're exceeding PM26. When you do 60-foot lots, you don't have to do the monotony control architectural features per the wording of PM26, but we have incorporated that into our conditions: 23-foot driveways, minimum trees per lot. HOA management of our on-street parking, all things

   1:25:13that have been important to the board and for other communities. You've already seen William did a great job going through our binding um concept plan.

   1:25:24Proud to bring the DRB homes which have the three some of them will have three car garages. I know the house I raised my kids in in Trinity had a three-car garage, so nice to see some of that coming back. This is our connectivity exhibit. What we wanted to do here is just show our how we fit into the existing because we clearly this is an infill piece. We have commercial we have development all the way around us. Um You heard about the the um path, sidewalk, eight foot sidewalk that we're gonna be putting where the red

   1:25:54is along the roadway. Um driveway that goes to Wendy's to the commercial project. The commercial project left a couple gaps. One being this gap here. So although they have a sidewalk all the way along their back Reverse frontage road, it stops. And so we're gonna pick up and then we're gonna go. We're gonna pick up a side sidewalk and put a sidewalk on our property. It's not the perfect way to do this. Because

   1:26:24their sidewalk is on their property and our sidewalk's on our property. But because it was missed or something happened. And the commercial project didn't put in when they put in the driveway through the Wendy's property, they didn't put in a sidewalk. We're trying to do our best to to prov to fill in that gap. There's also a gap on Ross Lane, um, where their stormwater pond is that that was missed somehow, I guess. And so that's a gap that we're gonna fill in. So we're trying to fill in the gaps and to have a nice pedestrian movement. as

   1:26:55William uh explained, that you can't really see behind this commercial property, there is a reverse frontage road all the way down to Ross. And so it's not in yet, but I understand the plans for the commercial out parcel that's next to Ross are in, and so that connection will be made. So the residents, and they were kind of happy to hear this, they won't have to go on the little road. our our neighbors over here, um, to my right, won't have to go on Little Road to get to all the commercial. Our residents won't have to

   1:27:25go to on Little Road to get to all the commercial. So they'll be able to drive down that reverse frontage road or walk or bike with the pedestrian connectivity that we're filling in.

   1:27:39As you heard a about the traffic signal. You heard about that and then you can't do that. I wanted to just kind of show you this. Um We plan on having our project permits and and first model in and Q three, Q four, twenty twenty seven. The county's timing for the signal is twenty twenty seven, so those will coincide nicely. The signal be in by the time we start having residents moving in. I do get asked um a bit about, you know, the connectivity to the West. Um And

   1:28:12Why we don't have vehicular connectivity. There is an ECR and I I represented the commercial project to the West as well as this property now twice. Um and there is an easement covenant and restrictions. Over Lowe's. KFC, Wendy's, Dunkin' Donuts. And now the commercial property. to the West They all were part of an ECR many years ago. And uh that's w the how that project to the West was

   1:28:42able to get that connectivity through Wendy's, although that took him two years. to to get that connectivity that was contemplated in the E C R for Wendy for them to get the connectivity for that commercial project, that reverse frontage road that goes all the way it will go all the way from King Healy. Let me start from the south. It'll go from Ross to King Healy, and then we all know if we've been to Lowe's, you can get through Lowe's and up to Ridge Road. So finally achieving some nice vehicular connectivity. We do not have a connectivity to our west. One,

   1:29:12we're not part of that ECR, so we we can't access their roads with our vehicles. And two, we want to have Our community really doesn't want to have um s sitting in your backyard looking at a connection to Wendy's. So we're for for both reasons we don't have the ability to do it, nor would the community really want that we don't think that would be good for the community, um an asset for the community. So I wanted to explain that. 'Cause I get questions about that,

   1:29:43about how this ECR works and what's going on out there. If when you look at King Healy as a as you leave Wendy's and you go to the light, King Healy Boulevard is actually that p portion's actually on Kentucky Fried Chickens property. So it's kind of interesting. It's kind of an old school ECR and the way it's set up. So You'd have to to change at E C R you'd have to approach Twelve different corporations. And uh It's a just a the commercial property to the west had to approach just Wendy's 'cause they were part of the ECR and it took 'em

   1:30:13years. So In any event, um I hope you receive this as well as as uh I think it's received. I know we had a wonderful neighborhood meeting and we'll continue to meet and work with our neighbors any way we can. We are improving the drainage situation just in because we know it's got some engineers here. Their their pond does get full. Um right now with the drainage that comes to it, but as a result of this project we are going to take Drainage that's now coming their way from the commercial, legally coming their way. And

   1:30:43we're gonna take it and pipe it to our pond and then we're gonna go north. So they will see a reduction in um water coming to their pond in a storm event. So I think that'll be helpful to them. Thank you.

   GreyChair

   1:30:56Thank you, Barbara.

   Moody

   1:31:03The first individual that I have signed up to speak on this item is a Mr. Kostas Kistilakis.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:31:12Good afternoon. I think I know some of you up there. Um my name is Karsus Kestaykis. I'm the um I live at uh Crescent Forest, [address removed]. Um I'm the president of the association. I'm a retired engineer and executive. So I have met with uh DBR and we have gone over with a developer, we have gone over some uh issues that I had and I'm very satisfied for the first time in twenty eight years of somebody you know coming in. as

   1:31:43a neighbor of ours. Um however there's still a little bit of issues as um Uh the VA apparently has decided to use Ross Lane as their main entrance and exit when they were supposed to use it only on time of an emergency. That's gonna uh bring an issue with all the construction equipment going in in and out. Um I will propose the expedition of the uh the changing of Ross Lane and the turning lane

   1:32:13and everything else in order to reduce all those issues for the developer and also. for the for the residents of of our community Uh it would have been nice to have another entrance for the equipment, but I do understand as an engineer some of the you know previous uh mistakes of the past in uh regards to uh rezoning and the um in and outs of the communities. But if we can expedite

   1:32:44some of the work that needs to be done on Ross Lane, I think it's gonna be a perfect uh the you know the position of everybody, you know, uh coming in and out or to or developing that uh community. Thank you.

   GreyChair

   1:33:01Thank you.

   1:33:04Who's next?

   Moody

   1:33:05The last individual I have signed up to speak is a Mr. James Volgum.

   GreyChair

   1:33:12I go Gene if you can give us your full name and your address.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:33:15James Vogel, [address removed]. Uh we've lived in Crescent Forest right behind this community for thirty something years now. We're the second home in the community. Um My brother and sister in law live on Ross Lane. My sister-in-law's been there her whole life. The area's changed quite a bit through time. Um Our drainage in our neighborhood is horrible. Our our lakes are overflowing and right now where they're building looking to build these homes is a orange grove sandfield. So the drainage

   1:33:45is pretty decent in that field and it absorbs more than it pushes back to us. A lot of it's coming from the lows, not from where they're building this home. The drainage I feel isn't gonna do anything that they're installing. The Traffic on Little Roads since they changed the traffic pattern on Little and Ross Lane. getting in and out of that community is very difficult. and the builder said that they were paying for a light to put in there. And that's all great, but add another hundred and forty cars a day to that intersection's gonna be difficult.

   1:34:17On the back east end of the property, they have that stub out that you had brought up and saw. That goes to a property right behind my mother's house and behind eight other homes. that o has three homes on it, not one single resident. And it has a black top driveway, not a dirt driveway, going to it. And that is part of our actual community. They pay the fees, they're part of our community. My fear is that the builder is looking to purchase that property and eventually put more in there. He the builder at the meeting on Tuesday tried to tell me, no,

   1:34:47the county made us put that stub out there. It's part of the county that did that. That's incorrect. The county doesn't tell you you have to stub out to another potential property.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:34:58Um I beg to differ with you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:35:00I've never seen it before.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:35:02That's actually enshrined in the land development code. That's a requirement in the

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:35:07I've never seen it before. But

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:35:08it happens on

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:35:09the I'm really concerned that their plan is to eventually add into that property behind us, which is part of our community and they pay fees in our community. That's just my biggest concerns. The traffic that's gonna be on Ross Lane, the change of the traffic there, and then that stub out becoming a larger Complex behind us. Thank you.

   GreyChair

   1:35:29Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:35:29May May I say something?

   GreyChair

   1:35:31Excuse me, sir. We gotta give give everybody a chance to speak first and then if somebody wants to call you up, we will.

   Moody

   1:35:38We did have one more individual sign up to speak, a Miss Sarah Vogel.

   GreyChair

   1:35:42Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:35:46Sarah Vogel [address removed]. Uh I wanna point out, it sounds like we've been there's been community meetings involving Crescent Forest. Never have you invited Roslane, ever. This was an issue last time she tried to get something through. She doesn't include anybody on the street. This is important to me because my house is actually facing what you plan to build. It's also facing where you plan to put, I guess,

   1:36:16their street to enter and exit. Why I'm not included, my family's not included, not really sure. Another point I wanted to bring up is it sounds like they're trying to use the end of Ross Lane as an easement to get out of that person sells. That's tanglewood. That is another home, an individual's home. So again, I don't see where they're planning this other exit. We are a dead end street. Ross Lane is a dead end.

   1:36:47Gunshot that's a connected to us is also dead end.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:36:51Can you show us what on the map where you live and if they can put a map up here?

   GreyChair

   1:36:58I'm sorry, sir.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:37:00Either way at somebody's house.

   GreyChair

   1:37:02Okay.

   1:37:05There we go.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:37:06So you wanna where I am? Yeah. Yeah. I'm the second house on the street, two houses behind the VA.

   GreyChair

   1:37:15Right there.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:37:20Can staff put up page two fifty seven of the agenda? because it looks like she would have been included in the notification radius. William and Elizabeth. Logo.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:37:34Elizabeth and William would be the homeowners, yes.

   Connected City

   1:37:38Yep. So

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:37:39they did not get a notification about this community meeting that's been happening.

   Connected City

   1:37:44They there's proof of

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:37:44mailing to their address.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:37:47Not for that meeting there's no

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:37:48I think we're confusing two things. You're looking at the proof of notice for this meeting.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:37:52Correct. This meeting we got a notice of

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:37:55notice for the near meeting that Barbara had. Yes.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:37:59These meetings that Barbara's having, we are not included. I just want to point out we are not part of Crescent Forest. We are not an HOA. We do not have anything like that. We are our own entities.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:38:11Are they required to have neighborhood meetings? Or was that a voluntary

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:38:15I think this is a staff, was this the voluntary neighborhood meeting hand?

   David Engel

   1:38:19This was a voluntary meeting, neighborhood meeting.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:38:25Well, like I said, it'd be great if the people on Ross, at least the first few houses that will be directly impacted, were aware. 'Cause it sounds like they've worked out some deals. And we have no idea.

   Connected City

   1:38:38So the applicant wasn't required to have a neighborhood meeting, but they had one voluntarily, so you may not have been invited to that, but that's the whole purpose of us mailing uh that's the whole thing.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:38:48For this meeting.

   Connected City

   1:38:49For this meeting.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:38:50My concern is that this has happened prior. Okay. She's done this before. She already knows that we live there. She knows we're trying to be involved. We can't be involved if we are unaware.

   Connected City

   1:39:01Okay. But but at least you were aware of this meeting.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:39:06Okay.

   Connected City

   1:39:06So you can

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:39:07express your concerns. Again.

   1:39:11Gunshot or I'm sorry, Crescent Forest. So we don't know. I I know there are plenty to make great things for them. I don't hear anything from me other than I'm gonna have seventy two homes in front of us. Um Is there a way, I don't know, we can make these homes not be the cookie cutters that we're seeing everywhere else?

   1:39:33They were.

   1:39:36Um so we're looking for something different. 72 homes is a lot of homes. The last time they tried to put the multi-unit homes over there. Their drainage was into someone's yard. That is what they were planning. Um and the owner of the property actually spoke up at a community meeting to tell them that. I don't know where their drainage system is, what their plan is. Um If they need to have a retention pond, our request would be to put that retention

   1:40:06pond in front of the house our house. on Ross Lane because we really don't wanna have everybody so close. Um this was an agricultural street. an area, that's why we all live there, that's what we have there. We're all agricultural houses, you know, with property. We have all our animals. We're just looking to protect ours. Um That's pretty much I think all I've got.

   GreyChair

   1:40:36Is that it? I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. I think uh did you want to speak? Yes. No, not you. Yeah, I'm sorry. Come back.

   Julia Bartunik

   1:40:49Julia Bartunik, [address removed]. And I ha I have walked in uh these areas and they're very, very beautiful. And uh I I find it hard to believe that all the residents there were notified of this. It seems like this would be very incompatible with that area. Um and I think it should be uh continued

   1:41:20and uh Just like P5 was denied, I could see uh residents' concerns having similar reasons to uh P5's denial. Uh, I wanted to inquire: Has there been a gopher tortoise uh assessment and survey on the property and removal? Because there are many gopher tortoises in the three.

   1:41:53Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:41:54So can I

   GreyChair

   1:41:54answer your question?

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:41:57So the

   GreyChair

   1:41:58Coming forward, he's gonna answer your question.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:42:02The the the county code requires that they submit a listed species survey which includes the gopher tortoise. And the county will not issue them a permit until they provide the county with copies of the approvals from the FFWCC. For all the permits to capture and relocate those tortoises from the property to a gopher tortoise reserve. So no, they

   1:42:32just can't come in and mow over the gopher tortoises. And that's they're not treated any differently than any other applicant. That's that's a requirement of our local code and state law.

   Julia Bartunik

   1:42:45And where could I get a copy of public record of that, please?

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:42:49I'm sure it's in the applicant's file and you can see that.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:42:51Well, there's also a condition of approval number three that you can read that's on the agenda that directly Directly addresses that issue. Yep. It's uh it's on the published agenda.

   Connected City

   1:43:01Yeah, it's actually conditions of approval two through eight that deal with environmental requirements before they it can be approved. Thank you. Once it's approved then they have to adhere to those conditions rather.

   Julia Bartunik

   1:43:13Thank you. I would

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:43:15like to note just as somebody who's grown up in the area. So It looks today like it's planted pine trees at silviculture today. When I was a kid. This was acres and acres and acres of citrus.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:43:30Mm. In fact,

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:43:31I can still smell the orange blossoms in March driving up Little Road in that area. But The citrus is gone and that's now another cr it's a crop of trees. Okay, this is not like they're destroying a pristine habitat. This is this is actually a crop that is being farmed there today. So I understand gopher tortoises may have moved into the area, but they will be properly dealt

   1:44:02with and you can rest assured sleep at night. They'd They have to comply with that requirement.

   Julia Bartunik

   1:44:08Thank you. Appreciate

   Christopher Poole

   1:44:09it.

   Julia Bartunik

   1:44:09Thank you.

   Christopher Poole

   1:44:10It's also a felony to to mow over, go for Torres Burrows. It's punishable by law. So yeah, I mean if the if that happens, I mean they need to get the appropriate permitting like John said. And this developers are not a Very uh very high end developer. That that's not gonna happen.

   Julia Bartunik

   1:44:28Thank you. Thank you.

   GreyChair

   1:44:31Is there anybody else that would like to speak except uh I'd like to call you back up because you obviously want to have something to contribute.

   1:44:39Uh

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:44:39Kosos Ktistakis, as I said, you know, prior, there's a there's a couple of things that have been uh misunderstood here. I was approached by the developers of befinding all kinds of you know Developers for the last uh 25, 28 years there, and they wanted to meet with our community. Everybody in our community. Has seen it. We're not getting anything out of the developer. The developer has not indicated that he's gonna do anything for our community. Okay, we

   1:45:09just want summary who's comparable. to what we have I moved there. Thirty years ago. And matter of fact, my house was built. I designed it. I built it as an engineer. And I moved in on January sixteenth, nineteen ninety-six. I bought there because as the gentleman said, of the orange blossoms. I loved it. I was told that those oranges were gonna stay there forever, they were protected. That's why I paid more than anywhere else to

   1:45:40move and build in that com uh community. I never wanted any other community with Section 8 or multifamily homes or rental homes. So finally, after all this time, I have to thank the actually, you know, you know Pasco that they actually put a nice sign for once as notification. I hope that you continue doing that in the county.

   Connected City

   1:46:02We spent a lot of time improving that sign.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:46:04Yes, definitely. Definitely, I know that. Yeah. We're not getting anything out of it. They came and they asked us as a community of uh uh sixty-three you know you know homes. Now The fellow that lives right to the north of us does not belong to our association. He pays us. Okay? A small amount just to have access. He doesn't have access anywhere else but through our association. Okay?

   1:46:35He uses our streets. He only was supposed to have one home there. Somehow he was allowed to build three structures. No. I have no issues with that, but at the same time I can see that our community again it was done many, many years ago by Mr. Williams. It doesn't have a second access. I Worked in a lot of developments up north. They always had to have a second access just in case of

   1:47:05an emergency. What they're doing, what this community is doing, I can see the easement that they have that they provided. I wish that there was a road. I went all around, maybe come through our community. I said Uh It's an emergency access because every community needs a second access, and I do un understand as an engineer how you have to have something like that. Why would we don't have one in my community? I've been questioning it for years. So but we're not getting anything

   1:47:36from anybody. We just want an easy access in and out of a community. We be blocked like rats by the developer. At the VA We were told that nobody was going to be going through. Everybody's going through. So please do something for Ross Lane as soon as possible. Thank you.

   Connected City

   1:47:55Yes, so my understanding is uh any development over a hundred units, hundred units or more requires that emergency access, am I correct?

   1:48:04Yeah. Staff,

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:48:06can you answer that question?

   Connected City

   1:48:11That's correct. Okay. So to answer your question, it's under a hundred units, so it's not required to have that secondary access. But over a hundred units or more it's required to have that secondary access.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:48:24I do have a question for staff before Barbara gets up. So To the gentleman's question about Ross Lane and the VA access. Um

   1:48:35The conditions of approval don't really address any improvements on Ross Lane for like access related improvements on Ross. Has our access team looked at The access on Ross and whether Any improvements need to be made or is that something that's gonna be looked at at site plan approval?

   1:48:58To address the gentleman's point, because

   1:49:03I mean it doesn't look like we anybody really analyzed it, so

   Planning and Development staff

   1:49:08Sure. So that first nine hundred and fifty feet of Ross Lane were improved by the VA. This project's access point is at is on that sec segment of road that it's been improved.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:49:23I'm not asking about this papers condition. I'm asking about

   Planning and Development staff

   1:49:26the turn the turn lanes. Turn lanes. Yes, so the the applicant will be submitting an access management at a time of site plan. Sure. To

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:49:32determine that.

   1:49:41Yes, sir. Okay.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:49:43And Barbara Wilhite, I agree with that. I actually had a condition that said we didn't have to do any access management improvements and you caught it. So Because it's a local road. And normally you don't have to do access management improvements to a local road. So It's all

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:49:56the record

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:49:56that's I didn't do it maliciously as although people think I do things maliciously, actually we'll meet with anybody. I do have the um The neighborhood meeting um package here, a voluntary neighborhood meeting, but I do have um Vogel, William T and Elizabeth at [address removed]. that received our mailing Vogel Mary Lou at eighty eight thirty one Whispering Oaks Trail. That being said, our hearing is not until 122 before the board, assuming that you guys move these two items forward.

   1:50:27If neighbors want to meet again. Happy to meet. Um I did want to bring up the If you want to hear from Jamie uh Jeremy, excuse me, I'm looking at Jamie. Jeremy about drainage. I I don't want the residents to go thinking that We're not doing what we're saying regarding drainage and it wouldn't be an improvement to their situation. And yes, on the record, the reason why there's a stub out to the property to the east, the only reason is because the county code requires it and staff requires it during the MPUD review. That being

   1:50:58said, if anybody wanted us to remove that stub out, That was we're going to be able to do that We can have it, not have it, it's just there because of the code. So Wanted to get that on the record for the neighbors as well. If you'd like to hear from Jeremy just briefly about the drainage so that's the right-of-way. the question can be answered that the resident raised. He can come on up?

   project engineer

   1:51:25Good afternoon, Commissioner. Jeremy Couch, [address removed]. And I am an engineer specializing in drainage. So we started to look at this property. The first thing we do with all projects is we think about are there issues in the area, what is the cause of the issue, and what can we do to help? So right now if you see Crescent Forest and then after this area, I'll ask staff to put up the binding concept plan.

   1:51:57Historically, what's happened is Little Road Little Road is considerably higher than Crescent Forest. And if you can see kind of where the yellow dot is in the middle of Crescent Forest, that's their community retention pond. This was built a long time ago before the stringent rules that developments are required to have today. And so what has historically happened? Is where the commercial site is and where our site, the planted pines are, has historically always run off. down to

   1:52:27the pond in the middle of their community and that pond doesn't have a great outlet. So they have Yeah. The first benefit um to them for their drainage issue is that when the commercial developed you can see that the commercial parcel has two large dry ponds. These are perk ponds intended to Eliminate um Um uh match volume. So generally

   1:52:58what we see with these type of ponds is large dry ponds. Um do have discharges in the extreme events, but the gully washers that people are seeing where all of a sudden on a random um September the pond is overflowed. That goes away. If you could move to our binding concept plane. So our site. Drains. directly into their property. Um a small portion of our site drains to the north. I

   1:53:29talked with my client and even though the Florida law allows us to drain our retention pond back into their site, is that really what's best for their community? Absolutely not. What we're going to do is capture the water that comes into us from the commercial and comes into us from our site and our roads. We're going to drain our roads to the street, and we are going to the north. And although in this graphic that is a blue-colored retention

   1:53:59pond, it's a big dry perk pond. And it's not desirable to be dry, but that's what is best for the drainage situation in the area, a big dry perk pond. So the 30 acres that used to dump directly into their pond is now being taken around their property through a series of dry ponds and will considerably alleviate the situations that they've had. Our project will be required to get a permit from the state through the Southwest Florida Water Management

   1:54:30District and also through Hillsbury or Pasco County whose engineers will review it. Um last thing is like Barbara said. We would be more than happy to eliminate that stub road to the east. We have no desire to connect to the eastern parcel. It's a cost we don't want to incur. It doesn't look great. But we are meeting the code.

   Christopher Poole

   1:54:56Jeremy, why while you're up there, buffering at Tim Ms. Vogel's question, um, what's the buffer on the the South Side gonna be?

   project engineer

   1:55:04On the south side, we have a D buffer. I believe with this right-of-way width, it's 10 foot. Um in addition to the east, the code doesn't require um buffering for like-kind districts, so single family on single-family. We have self-imposed a 10-foot type A buffer between us and Crescent Forest to Um soften The two projects.

   Christopher Poole

   1:55:30Thank you. Thanks, Jeremy.

   GreyChair

   1:55:35Okay. Anyone else?

   1:55:41No one else is wishes to speak. Yeah.

   GirardiVice Chair

   1:55:45We have a motion. Um you probably need to take up the plan amendment first. Okay. If you could just if you do move approval, just make it subject to staff making the re corrections requested by the county attorney's office.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:56:02Motion to approve PC thirteen subject to incorporation of the County Attorney's Office's revisions.

   GreyChair

   1:56:11We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion of the motion? Not all in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, like sign.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:56:20Okay.

   GreyChair

   1:56:22Motion carries. And then motion

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:56:23to approve PC ten.

   GreyChair

   1:56:25Second. Motion and a second for the discussion. Not all in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed like kind? Okay, motion carries.

2. 2Jan 20, 2026
   Board of County CommissionersP38Public hearingAdopted

   Approved minutes

   Approved to adopt by a roll call vote.

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   Starkey

   12:32roll call vote. It is a roll call, uh Commissioner Oakley, District One. Aye. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Yeager. Aye. District five, Chairman Mariano. Aye. Motion passes 5-0. Item P thirty eight. B 38, uh we have proof of publication in the Tampa Bay Times on November 5th, 2025, supplemented by an affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

   Amy Heiler

   13:02All right, so P38 is also an adoption hearing for a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment, an ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan, providing for a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map, map two-15 and sheet 10. Changing from Calm Commercial and Res 9 residential 9 dwelling units per gross acre to res 6 residential 6 dwelling units per gross acre on approximately 26.2 acres of real property located approximately

   13:32600 feet eastern. Of the intersection of Little Road and Ross Lane, and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency, providing for repealer severability and an effective date. This comes to you with a recommendation to accept public comment and adopt by roll call vote. The MPUD rezoning does have a companion, or there is a companion MPUD rezoning item P43 with this one as well. And there's a presentation if necessary.

   MarianoChair

   14:03Okay. Um I'd like to see the presentation. Okay.

   Amy Heiler

   14:08Okay.

   14:11Rossing.

   Hayat Mazilli

   14:20Good afternoon. Hiya Mazilli, Planning Development and Economic Growth, and I will be presenting item P38. Uh we'll start with the project's overview. Thank you, Gina. So the applicant is proposing a comprehensive plan, small-scale comprehensive plan amendment to change the future land use designation from Res 9, residential 9 dwelling unit per gross acre, and Calm commercial to Res 6, residential 6 dwelling unit per gross acre. And the intent of this proposal is to

   14:50create a unified residential future land use designation. To allow for the development of 74 single-family detach units on approximately 26.2 acres site. This site is located on Ross Lane, approximately 600 feet east of Little Road. As Amy mentioned, there is a campaign rezoning petition to MPUD in the name of DRB, Little and Ross MPUD.

   15:23This map shows the general location of the subject site, which is located in the West Market area and within the urban service area. This is a zoomed-in aerial of the location of the subject site. As you can see, the site is just north of our government building. It is situated south of Ridge Road, east of Little Road, and just north of Ross Lane.

   15:50And this map provides the existing context surrounding the subject site, which is currently undeveloped. The surrounding area includes a mixture of uses with commercial development to the north along Ridge Road and to the west along Little Road. And we have the Crescent Residential Community located to the east of the subject site. Although not shown on this map, the VA Hospital is located to the south of the subject site.

   16:20Next, we have this slide that illustrates the existing transportation network. There is an existing sidewalk located along the east side of Little Road. There are no sidewalks along Ross Lane. However, the applicant is proposing to construct a sidewalk on the north side of Ross Lane, and specific details of this sidewalk will be addressed during the MPUD presentation.

   16:47This is a map showing the existing future land use. As you can see a portion of the site is Calm Commercial and the rest is Res9. Com is also to the north and the west of the subject site.

   MarianoChair

   17:02And how much is commercial, acreage wise?

   Hayat Mazilli

   17:04As far as the com?

   MarianoChair

   17:06Yes.

   Hayat Mazilli

   17:07Or the com is about

   17:11Three hundred seventy-six thousand three hundred and fifty-eight square feet. The entire site is twenty-six point two acres.

   MarianoChair

   17:20Okay, so acres to acres, how much?

   Hayat Mazilli

   17:30Approximately fourteen and a half acres. Thank you.

   17:41This is a map showing the proposed future land use. The entire subject site is proposed to be residential six-dwelling unit per gross acre. And REST six aligns with the surrounding densities and the suburban development pattern in the area.

   18:00So after review and analysis, the Planning Development Economic Growth Department found the proposed amendment to be consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies. Rest six, policy flu 1.4.3, policy flu 1.8.7, policy flu 1.8.10 and policy flu 8.1.1.

   18:22So based on the comprehensive plan consistency analysis, staff recommend the board to um access public comment and adopt the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and ordinance by call by roll call vote. And I'm happy to answer any other questions unless you would like to hear the MPAD presentation and then.

   MarianoChair

   18:41I think I'd like to go right to the M P

   18:44Okay,

   Hayat Mazilli

   18:44thank you.

   Starkey

   18:55We have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the November 5th, 2025 edition of the Tampa Bay Times, supplemented by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

   Planning and Development staff

   19:08Good afternoon, William for Million Planning Development, Economic Growth. This is the companion MPD rezoning to the previously mentioned CPA, PDE twenty six seventy-eight ninety-three.

   19:20The location map. This is a rezoning request of the right-of-way. From A C agricultural. T and C two general commercial to MPD Master Development District to allow for the maximum development. Of seventy four single family Detached homes and associated infrastructure on approximately twenty six point two acres. Uh th those single family detached homes are a minimum of sixty feet in width. This is located in the Western Market area, budding the northeast corner of Little

   19:50Road and Ross Lane Intersection. Here's the location map. You can see out towards Little Road, some of that commercial property has already been commercially subdivided. And then as you move uh further west onto Ross Lane, or further east onto Ross Lane, you find the subject site highlighted in red. It is the site of an old uh tree farm. The current zoning map. And the current future land use map reflecting the Res9 and commercial flues

   20:21on the subject site.

   20:25Here is the contextual map to the north to orient the commission exists the hardware store with the commercial subdivision happening as you move further west along Little Road and then on the southern portion south of Ross Lane exists the uh the Veterans Affair building.

   20:44Here is the MPUD master plan which roughly highlights the internal street uh network here as well as some of the pedestrian improvements, but it's further illustrated here on the binding concept plan showing those uh 60-foot minimum single-family detached lots as well as the the sidewalk along Ross Lane, both along the entirety of the project's frontage as well as that yellow piece as you move towards the commercial subdivision. The applicant is building off-site sidewalk to fill

   21:14the gap there with the commercial piece for mobility fee credits. The on-site portion, of course, not mobility fee creditable. The red portion Uh that you can see up to the north is an eight foot uh eight foot walking path, a nature trail, that will provide further pedestrian connection to the commercial subdivision that's already occurred alongside Little Road. and then to the north of that pond. In orange we can see the internal six foot trail that's proposed along the north side

   21:45of that pond that comes down uh through that uh what could have been a lot green space as you connect onto one of those internal roads.

   21:58This is a connectivity exhibit provided by the applicant with drone shots that overlays those those same color coordination to the eight foot, six foot, and five foot of the uh the pedestrian facilities that we're talking about being constructed with this project. as it pertains to the site aerially You can see they're highlighted in orange, in red, and then in green and yellow along the project frontage.

   22:26There is one LDC variation with this product, project from nine oh one six D eleven street design and dedication requirements. The applicant requests to not provide a vehicular interconnection to the north or to the west.

   MarianoChair

   22:39If you would stay on that slide for a second. Oh. Yeah. I've got an issue with not connecting. So if you would Again our code says they need to s they should be connecting. We're Uh the seeking a variation of that. Would you go back to the slide that showed the layout?

   23:02Right there. So There's a road that runs north south that they could connect to, correct?

   Planning and Development staff

   23:09I believe you're you're talking about King Healy that runs north south.

   MarianoChair

   23:17Go go up from Oh internal to the development? Internal to the development.

   Planning and Development staff

   23:22Yes sir.

   MarianoChair

   23:25You got options on a roadway going right to the front from where

   23:31Jeltson and goes all the way up to the blue area where the drainage area is. There's an opportunity there to connect to a roadway, correct?

   Planning and Development staff

   23:38There there would be an opportunity um I guess I hadn't I hadn't finished my my justification for the variation, but I know. So to the north of that is the uh if I could go back to the aerial here. That's actually it would spit the uh the residents out right into the the loading zone of the uh of the lows. They use that side access and if if we could zoom in or go to mapper. it'd be helpful. But you can see that that's actually their their loading area. It's pretty narrow and uh it's gonna be Uh

   24:08a bunch of semi trucks and larger box trucks delivering goods there. You can you can see there on the right there with that delivery bay where they stack all their old pallets. So that was one of the reasons staff didn't feel like a connection was feasible to the north. And that's to the north. Okay. So let's talk to the west,

   24:22because

   24:23that's my biggest issue is the west.

   24:28Can you oh let me take it back to the binding plan. Are you guys controlling it or I am I am.

   24:35Okay. I appreciate it.

   MarianoChair

   24:39So on the on the so let's look at the west part.

   24:43The West Park comes out into a small little roadway that's that would get them to all the commercial in this whole

   Starkey

   24:50Yeah.

   MarianoChair

   24:51Get them off Ross Lane, get them off to the side. No big trucks running through there and then get on there and save all those trips trips to go in there. Pedestrians are great, but I don't think if you're gonna go to Lowe's and pick up some two by fours, et cetera, you're gonna be coming back and carrying those things back in a in a bicycle cart or something else. So to have all that commercial right there to take these people out on Ross Lane. When I don't need to. To not put them in there. I don't know why you guys would allow them to go against our code and look for a variation with that. I would have made them put that in there. And I think this

   25:21board, Commissioner Starkey we talk all the time about how we try to interconnect.

   Starkey

   25:24I did talk to the applicant's attorney at during lunchtime about that same thing. And I think when she comes out to present, she's gonna tell you they're prohibited to connect by the property owners.

   25:36Is that part of your presentation?

   Planning and Development staff

   25:38I'm gonna let the applicant speak to the to the to those legalities.

   Starkey

   25:43Yeah, they don't want to

   MarianoChair

   25:45commercial property. That's supposed to be commercial property, not connecting to that roadway. Does that make any sense to anybody? Think about it. They're converting commercial property along that slot. And you're going to tell me that I have the commercial property and I can't connect? Absolutely

   Planning and Development staff

   25:58absurd.

   Barbara Wilhite

   25:59Well

   Planning and Development staff

   26:00if if I if I may, stamp's variation analysis, uh its its support didn't hinge upon the legalities of a connection being uh provided by some kind of property asso property owners or commercial associations uh prohibitions in in an ECR. However, our our justification relied upon

   26:21Let me stop you for a second. Go back to

   MarianoChair

   26:23where you showed the commercial parcel of the property that that is along that roadway. The

   Planning and Development staff

   26:30Go back to that.

   MarianoChair

   26:40It's in the there's there's another slide that shows before development What part is commercial, what's part residential?

   Planning and Development staff

   26:45D do the do the future land use map where it shows the the comm polygon. Thank you.

   MarianoChair

   26:53Sure. So So if I'm looking at that piece of property that says commercial. And I own that piece of property. You're gonna say that I don't have the right You think they get the right not to connect to that property right beside it?

   Planning and Development staff

   27:06Well so th this applicant if if it's a private

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   27:08road and they

   Planning and Development staff

   27:09don't have to this this app this that commercial piece is a is a portion of this this application. So it would no longer have the commercial flu. Is it it'll be a part of this this residential development?

   27:21I'm just

   MarianoChair

   27:21saying if I own that

   Planning and Development staff

   27:22commercial piece. If I'm if I have that commercial piece. Are you talking are are you speaking of the portion highlighted in red or the out parcels there in yellow?

   MarianoChair

   27:31I'm I think I'm looking at the part that says calm. That's right there. And those four lots that are right to the side of it that are a beige, that slot that's right in there, that commercial piece of property all the way through, there's a roadway right in front of it. And We don't think they have a right to connect to that?

   Planning and Development staff

   27:48Well so the that commercial portion is a part of this

   MarianoChair

   27:51I I know. So what I'm saying is you say a residential can't c connect to it. What I'm telling you is before we change this over, that if I've got a commercial piece of property, I gotta think I got rights to connect to that.

   Planning and Development staff

   28:02Well I can let the the applicant speak to the l the legalities behind the ECR. I'd still like to go through the staff variation analysis outside of the ECR as to why we would support this request if that's all right. I

   Joanne Rivita

   28:15Yeah. Yes,

   Planning and Development staff

   28:16go ahead. Thank you. So Could I have the binding concept plan up, please?

   28:25So P D you felt that you're not going to be able to do that. the the preservation of open space that's being enhanced by the Nature Trail as well as accommodating a pedestrian Um a pedestrian feature to to the commercial site was w was worth not having the connection when the connection is going to be made via Ross Lane on the organically forming internal frontage road that's happening via commercial subdivision. that would allow uh vehicular access to go north and south. rather than circulate through this neighborhood, which

   28:55could be accessed by pedestrians to the commercial outparcels. If one needed to go to Lowe's, you'd simply get on Ross Lane at where in the CIP we are signalizing that intersection. and then go straight north to Lowe's without having to get onto Little Road.

   MarianoChair

   29:11So you think it's better to go down Ross Lane? Which has got another neighborhood behind it, got a VA All seventy four lots going through to go take out go out here on Little Road, take a right turn, take a right turn back in, then when they're gonna return, they're gonna go back on Little Road, take a left turn, and a left left turn in again, as opposed to driving internally going right to Lowe's. You think that's a better way to go?

   Planning and Development staff

   29:32I don't I don't know if I directionally followed you there.

   MarianoChair

   29:36All I if

   Planning and Development staff

   29:37what I can tell

   MarianoChair

   29:38you is that

   Planning and Development staff

   29:39there's

   MarianoChair

   29:39a in

   29:40the

   29:40L me hel let me help you. I'm gonna explain it to you. If I'm inside that development and I have a connection to the road that's in front of this property and I can go take a right turn and go right into Lowe's I think it's a lot quicker, simpler and easier coming back out stay in the same internal road, staying off Ross Lane, staying off Little Road, no turns and no extra drip demand on the traffic that's out there. It's the connectivity which we talk about all the time, neighborhoods to neighborhoods, I'm talking about A residential neighborhood connected.

   Planning and Development staff

   30:11Well w with with this proposal with the organic internal frontage that's happening in this scenario you wouldn't have to go back out on Little Road, whether you're going to or from Lowe's. How are you gonna get there?

   30:25Yep, just take a ride out onto Ross. Uh it's about five hundred feet right onto the internal frontage road, and then you you go north without getting on Little Road. The the street pattern is as organically formed through commercial subdivision of that piece that's grayed out there.

   MarianoChair

   30:44I'm still going on Ross Lut though.

   Planning and Development staff

   30:51Happy to uh happy to let the applicant speak to the to the ECR as to as to the legality of their connection. I just wanted to make sure that that SNAP's point was clear that outside of that ECR These were the reasons that we were amenable to the applicant's request.

   MarianoChair

   31:06Uh tell me about the intersection Ross Lane Little Road. What's

   Planning and Development staff

   31:09gonna be out there? Sure. So there is uh thirty percent signal plans that are done for the signalization of uh of that intersection and it has it's on the CIP in fiscal year twenty-seven to be complete. As well as those uh the the aforementioned uh pedestrian improvements that are occurring along Ross Lade, uh the VA built their portion to the south to their access point. as well as a a portion of this, um, I guess some some textbook cleanup had to happen. The Ross Lane wasn't actually on the county maintenance

   31:39schedule. And I I know that within a within a month or two the resolution's gonna be brought forward to bring this county road back onto the to the county maintenance schedule.

   MarianoChair

   31:48Yeah. At the intersection on the lanes going out. Is there two lanes or one lane at the intersection?

   Planning and Development staff

   31:54Sure. As a part of that that design they are um contemplating additional lanes uh to help capacity there. So for for right turn movement, left turn movement and a through.

   MarianoChair

   32:04Right. I'm gonna have seventy-four cars plus the neighborhood, plus the VA. And to Reduce the stacking. I would think that we w would automatically put in that we would have a right turn lane and a left turn lane to be able

   Planning and Development staff

   32:17to go out. Yes, sir. But the turn lanes are a part of that that design for that intersection.

   MarianoChair

   32:22Okay, so it's not just being contemplated being designed.

   Planning and Development staff

   32:25We already have 30 percent design for that intersection, yes, sir.

   32:33This comes to you with a recommendation of approval from Planning Development Economic Growth and the Planning Commission. I'm here for any questions.

   Starkey

   32:41I do have one question. Um I already um I I I wanted the same thing, Commissioner, the connectivity, but I think you're gonna hear that's not possible. But um Can you go back to the just the previous map? Okay, that one. You're showing What is this connection here? Because isn't that a Is that north of what is the what is that gated community there? I had some friends that used to live in there. Cr

   33:12Crescent Forest. That road is connecting into Crescent Forest or is this b past Crescent Forest?

   33:17But that's actually past uh Crescent Forest. There's one home back there for the access and then the rest of the neighborhood uses Ross Lane.

   33:26So th so th there is a future connection. Happening here. Okay. Well that I got one anyway.

   Planning and Development staff

   33:33For one oh?

   Starkey

   33:34No no. Is that oh, is that only for one home?

   Planning and Development staff

   33:38It it's for a you know that you know that property could be redeveloped. It's a large a large property. At some point in time it could be redeveloped and the the connection will have will be easier to be made with this stub out. Oh I see it's what I'm doing.

   Starkey

   33:54Okay, so that's one big piece. All right. Well I think you need to hear from the applicant, but I am I I am gonna talk to them about street trees.

   MarianoChair

   34:05Right.

   Starkey

   34:06I learned we don't require.

   MarianoChair

   34:07Any other questions for staff?

   Starkey

   34:08Which I'm gonna make them.

   MarianoChair

   34:09All right. Let's hear from the applicant. Thank you. Heck

   Starkey

   34:11yeah.

   Barbara Wilhite

   34:17Good afternoon. Since you're hearing the MPUD at the same time, do you wanna swear us in?

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   34:22We can do that.

   Starkey

   34:25At this time, if there are anyone in the audience that expects to speak to any of the rezoning items that are going to be coming up, you would please take a Again, if you anticipate speaking to any of the zoning items on the agenda, if you'd please rise and raise your right hand. Do you and each of you swear to tell the truth in the matters being presented? So how have you got it?

   Barbara Wilhite

   34:51I do.

   Starkey

   34:51At the time you come forward, if you please, when you give your sa name and uh your address, if you please acknowledge that you were sworn. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   35:00Mr. Chairman you want to do procedures at this point too? Let's do procedures. There are two rezoning agendas, regular consent. Staff will present each application to the Board of County Commissioners if staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition. The application will be considered by the Board without further presentation. If staff or planning commission has recommended a denial or if there is opposition to the application, the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation. The opposition will be given three minutes for each individual

   35:30or five minutes for a group representative. and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal. Any individual disagreeing with staff or planning commission recommendation, or any one wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning, may at this time request The petition be pulled from the consent agenda, in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting. Otherwise, all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote. If you

   36:00wish to speak to any petition, please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record. These are quasi-judicial public hearings. The law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action. Please limit your comments to those criteria found within the Board's Land Development Code. Okay.

   Barbara Wilhite

   36:21Barbara Wilheite, [address removed].

   36:28This is just an overall context slide. I think staff has already shown you a similar slide. This one's just backed out a little bit more where you can see the VA to the south, the commercial development to the west, the newer commercial development to the west, and then the more legacy development more towards the north.

   36:44As staff showed you, that is the um the zoning map. You can see the little bit of commercial. I would call that remnant commercial. What happens is when the county sets zoning district lines and comp plan lines, it doesn't necessarily match the depth of the commercial. This depth has been defined as the commercial that exists to our west. And so that's why you see that overlap. Yeah. And there is the comm overlap.

   37:13Under the current future land use, the property could have four hundred and twenty-one dwelling units. We're proposing seventy-four. An eighty-two percent uh less in drawing units. I can tell you we had a voluntary neighborhood meeting. and given what other people have proposed on this property. A lot of our neighbors are very happy that we're doing 60-foot single family homes to their beautiful homes to our east, single family detached to single family detached, and that we've got such a low density compared to what could be here. The

   37:44f the future land use provides for a very large, on a calculation standpoint, a very large amount of square feet. The current height, there's no ma there's no maximum height, because this is in the urban service area. We're proposing two stories.

   38:00Single f as I mentioned, 74 single family homes, 60-foot lots on square 6,000 square foot, 60-foot lots on 6,000 square foot lots. We have produced a binding concept plan. We're exceeding policy member PM26. To answer Commissioner Starkey, she had me look at street trees. PM 26 actually is not required for 60 foot lots, but we are complying with it. But your PM twenty-six requires two trees per lot. Um one can be in the front. Two can be in

   38:30the front. One can be in the front, one can be in the side or the rear, but there is no requirement for a street tree. You can use your front tree in the street if you'd like or on the front of your lot. At the request of the Commissioner, we anticipate this is going to be a very nice subdivision. We will add a street tree. Thank you. We need to work out that language with staff. Yes, it's an addition. So you've two l the cur current conditions say There's two trees required. We'll add a third tree and require that that one be a street tree.

   Starkey

   38:59I want to make sure it's not a crate myrtle. Or an understop tree. It's a shade tree.

   Barbara Wilhite

   39:04We yes, that's fine. We do need to work on the specifics of that language. Hopefully if you approve this today, we can we can work that out in the final details. But we the client is happy to do that. So we're exceeding exceeding PM26. It doesn't apply with that. We have the monotony control, the architectural features, the HOA manage of our on-street parking, all the things that you put into PM26. These are example elevations of our 60-foot product. You can see we're bringing back the three-car

   39:34garages, which I used to have a home uh but before I bought my home in Golf Harbor's it had a three car garage, uh a very nice product. This is the binding concept plan that you've looked at. I think staff has gone over the connectivity, um pedestrian connectivity. There were gaps in the pedestrian connectivity. that we have filled in. I think there's a better way to show it, which is the drone aerial shots that um Tampa Civil did.

   40:04So this is the built environment. Mm. When you look at this is looking to the east and we've got Little Road going north-south, Ross Lane is to to our right. And the commercial development, when you heard staff talking about this organic reverse frontage road, it is an actual requirement. What's interesting is the commercial project to our west and all of the commercial development to the north are

   40:34part of a declaration. This property is not, even though it has com on it, is not part of that declaration. I am under oath. So, what I'm telling you is factual. I have a legal opinion. We didn't just say this. The county attorney's office made us prove it. We proved and to their satisfaction that this Property is not part of that declaration and does not have legal access to their private and they're not roads, they're driveways, they're private driveways.

   Starkey

   41:02And you

   Barbara Wilhite

   41:03can you

   Starkey

   41:03explain what a declaration is? Because that's not something we're used

   Barbara Wilhite

   41:05to. It's you could call it a covenant of restrictions. It's a uh it is a What I'm not a transactional attorney speed

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   41:13restriction, basically. It's a it's a recorded document that has conditions for that specific development, much like you're used to seeing as an M Pud condition, except it only applies to the property that it attaches to and is recorded um in advance of sale of lots.

   Barbara Wilhite

   41:34And so when the commercial development came forward, because I represent the commercial development, the county made sure that this reverse frontage road was put in. There was a gap. that they didn't own. on Wendy's property, because they were all subject to the same declaration This property does not have the benefit of the subject property that we're rezoning. Mm. Wendy's had to accommodate that leg of the driveway that goes up to King Healy, the light at King Healy. So very purposefully the

   42:04County said Mr. Kate. Hassan Gail who's here said there will be a reverse frontage road going from Ross, so anybody on Ross Lane doesn't have to get out, including this project, does not have to get out on Little Road and can go up and through here. So the vehicular connectivity running have the its own frontage road is going in. And we'll be there. There was gaps in the pedestrian network. And why is it? So

   42:33Why was there gaps? So there's two gaps. One is on Ross Lane.

   42:40Because your current your exist your prior code, I don't know if they f I think they fixed it when they just redid your code dealing with p pedestrian facilities. But when a project comes in For development. there is a requirement that they put sidewalk in. So when the I don't remember what the corner is, if it's Chipotle or or what uh what the user was at that corner of Little and Ross, but they're in for review, that one they had to do a sidewalk. but behind them was a pond, And so they didn't trigger

   43:11the sidewalk. We have to say that so and but I you know, so I but I think they've been on this you know, this has happened a bit ago w under the old code. So we we came in and we'll say, Look at the right-of-way. We don't want our folks walking in the dirt. You know, they're gonna we're gonna put a sidewalk in, then they'll be we'll put the extension of the sidewalk off site. So that is provided for. When you look at the frontage road. road the frontage road has pedestrian facilities into it.

   43:42There you

   MarianoChair

   43:42go.

   Barbara Wilhite

   43:46The frontage road has a pedestrian facility into it, up to the point where they put the driveway in on Wendy's property. No pedestrian facility. So they get another gap. So You know, we don't just kind of put this thing these things to you. We actually look at them and try to make sure things make sense and that we do what we need to do. So here where the red is, that's a gap. So When folks would if we didn't fix that, folks would come down and walk along the new frontage road and then walk in the dirt.

   44:16or on the road to get to Lowe's. So we're fixing that with this project. That'll be an eight foot path, red is eight foot path. We're bringing an eight foot path out of our project and then putting the new eight foot path so there'll be pedestrian facility all along that reverse frontage road, love reverse frontage road. And that's what we are doing as part of our project. So I hope that answers the questions. I would just say the other thing about the interesting about that declaration is It's not a association, it's an ownership,

   44:47and there's six to at least six to eight property owners, national property owners. Um When the commercial folks came in they worked with just Wendy's because they were already benefiting from that declaration. But it took them, I don't know, a year, yeah, two years to to get the approval from Wendy's to put in the road that was contemplated by the declaration. So kind of crazy that's right. So those so those all those property owners and and when you look at King Healy as the as you come up to the light between Wendy's and KFC That

   45:17pr road, that property where the road is, is owned by Kentucky Fried Chicken. So It's not just like so simple to say You should, it makes sense to, we can't.

   MarianoChair

   45:31All right, so do me a favor, just go back to the previous slide.

   45:36So from that angle

   45:40So w with a red line. Is heading to the north.

   Barbara Wilhite

   45:43Yes.

   MarianoChair

   45:44That property is partially commercial now, correct?

   Barbara Wilhite

   45:48Part of our parcel has commercial zoning on it. It's about 5.7 acres of commercial zoning and part of it has a com land use to 14 acres of comm land use. The zoning and the land use don't match. The ownership lines and the

   MarianoChair

   46:04Okay. But but where it where it says on the it's on the left side of the screen it says eight foot wide bicycle pass through an axis that you have right there. That section right there, is that commercial now or is that residential?

   Barbara Wilhite

   46:16Um that zoning is commercial.

   MarianoChair

   46:20So my my straight question is this if it stayed commercial would they have access to get to there? No matter what?

   Barbara Wilhite

   46:28No. What that's kinda kinda crazy. Well that's

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   46:31Well they come out to Ross.

   Barbara Wilhite

   46:32That's because sometimes A lot of times our zoning district lines, our land use lines don't match property ownership lines, and this is an example of that.

   MarianoChair

   46:41Okay. And I I'll say for everyone to know, Barbara and I had did have this discussion. discussion. Um you were going to check to it. I never heard back from you, so I don't know. And we're here in a telling you.

   Barbara Wilhite

   46:51We've re we've been asked this question a bunch. It's so it's an absolutely appropriate question. We the county attorneys asked it, staff asked it, so we are we are

   MarianoChair

   46:59and our commercial I mean our and our attorneys agree that there is no access that can be had. David, I'm assuming you you've reviewed

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   47:06this.

   47:09Is that it's uh I there was no reasoning in the opinion, so I can't say whether I agree or disagree.

   Barbara Wilhite

   47:15But we did we hired w because I don't do real estate, so it wasn't my opinion, the client hired real estate Counsel to give a legal opinion and they put a legal opinion signed by them and their firm that We are this property is not a good idea. benefiting or subject to that declaration, it's not part of that declaration, which I knew. This I've been representing this property before it was single family homes when it was multifamily rentals. For the sake of the property owners

   47:45around. It's and I think hopefully the county, everybody's very happy with this client um in the single family detached homes but so but I they hired real estate counsel and a a fine law firm to review the issue and issue a legal opinion.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   48:00That is to to get to the commissioner's point. if they have no easement of record, They can't Connect to the commercial. No matter what the land use or those are no matter what the it's i i it you know

   MarianoChair

   48:18But All right, that's why that's why I want to make sure because it just doesn't

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   48:21make sense to me. I don't I can't tell you that that's the facts, but what Barbara is saying is The the commercial property that it currently exists is under one One easement one covenant document which provides for the easement This property is excluded from it. in which case they would have to purchase the right to connect to it if They wanted to connect to it.

   Barbara Wilhite

   48:52Right. wanted to even entertain a phone call.

   MarianoChair

   48:58Mr. Starkey.

   Starkey

   48:59Um I agree you know, that was the first thing I talked to her about said, Well we're gonna we need that to connect, but I got what you just got. But I also um I was concerned about the width of the Bicycle pedestrian access and I'm very happy that it's eight feet. Um, this could be a golf cart community. And I know we keep talking about them going to the lows, but the reality is hopefully they're gonna go to those restaurants and help keep those restaurants afloat. Probably more than they're gonna go to Lowe's.

   49:29So but They can tootle around in their golf carts from this neighborhood. They can. Next.

   Barbara Wilhite

   49:36Yeah. That's correct. They'll be able to access all of that commercial, including Ruby Tuesdays and I I do um I

   Starkey

   49:44do question why we didn't make whoever put that pond in Put a sidewalk along the front of it. What what was missing in our code? I know you and I have talked about missing gaps all over the place, and that just seems like we missed something. Staff wise. uh or somehow or or us up here. That's the right-of-way. They got away without a little bit. What, the sidewalk goes to the pond and then just dumps you in the dirt? That's

   50:14correct.

   Barbara Wilhite

   50:15That's not okay. But I think that I mean the county the your staff just brought forward an amended pedestrian facilities. We're letting that happen before, is my question.

   MarianoChair

   50:24Okay.

   Barbara Wilhite

   50:24They just need to look at it at subdivision review. Because if you look at it piece by piece after subdivision review, you only see your piece. But subdivision review, they look at all of it.

   MarianoChair

   50:36If if if you guys are comfortable that there's nothing they could do except go through nine firms and trying to get

   Barbara Wilhite

   50:41trained, we even we even took it to a private law firm that that's what they do and they looked at it and opined. I mean that based what I'm testifying is wait based upon what they gave me, 'cause I don't do that type of work. So,

   MarianoChair

   50:53All right, my questions are answered. Uh any more questions for Barbara? Let's go to public comment. Anyone from the public want to speak to this item? E either item actually and you can throw three minutes for each. That's item P thirty-eight and P forty-three.

   Alan Rose

   51:14Presentation for the board.

   MarianoChair

   51:16Second. All in favor say aye. Aye.

   Alan Rose

   51:18Aye.

   51:24As usual, they do a wonderful job of their presentations. What they didn't mention to you. Excuse me, sir. Oh, yes, I'm sorry. Allen Rose, [address removed] and yes, I've been sworn in.

   Starkey

   51:36Thank you.

   Alan Rose

   51:37And uh they did a nice job. Something brought forward. is the connection to Rocky Sync. Rocky Sink already backs up and flows reverse because of all the development that's been in this area. I've been down there personally and watched it. I've sent you pictures of Rocky Sink flowing backwards. So with that happening, you're gonna flood out Cranes Roost, Bass Lake, and Golden Acres. Thank you very much. That's the important part of this because it's not being addressed.

   52:05A lot of people are not addressing the riparian flow of our waterways. And you're gonna see more and more flooding. I already have seen enough flooding at Golden Acres. It can all be fixed. But it's not being addressed. you know, uh Rocky Sink can have an alternative outflow, but it doesn't right now because it hasn't been addressed. the tangle would spill way spillway. You have a two foot difference in water flow from the top to the bottom, even with the gates open. Shouldn't be, because there's so many blockages in the Tanglewood spillway. This development

   52:36will put pressure on our side of the road because that's where we have a natural spillway out to Rocky Sink. then also to our east, Like developing tanglewood, we'll see the water sub s the riparian flow being pressured to them, and since the tanglewood spillway is non-functional. Tanglewood will flood out. That's my point. And I gave you a presentation. This presentation will apply to others throughout the throughout the county. I've I've been out to Dade City. I've witnessed the same similar activities happen in Dade

   53:06City. And quite often, you know, you have all of the uh beautiful Drainage ditches and whatnot designed. They're designed to contain the pollution in accordance with DEP regulations. There is no nothing out there that I have found yet. That's addressing the riparian flows and the additional flow that we're going to be encountering, especially in my neighborhood. Thank you.

   MarianoChair

   53:31Anyone here to speak to this item?

   Starkey

   53:34Um on that on those comments on those comments that he was making, I th I seem to recall um when Commissioner Weight was up here, they did a lot of work on that in that area. Drain it work on. Rock what do you call it? Rocky something.

   MarianoChair

   53:51As I recall, part part of Magnolia Valley was going to be able to actually build it, the way we're gonna build it actually w we'd be able to hold water coming from the east or the west. So that could actually take some water from this area here. Um I c I can say, Alan, if you if you watch the apartments on uh Ridge Road up there that were being built in the Tanglewood entryway. I did have there was one area there was like a a wetland that was kinda low. Uh I did have it checked out thoroughly. David Allen did a great job with his team. And there wasn't a connection to Rock Sank. It was just a s just a low

   54:21area where the water drained too.

   Alan Rose

   54:22That connects to the Tangowood spillway, not the Rocky Sink.

   MarianoChair

   54:25Well and I I but I will address I will address I brought you up the this the Tangowood spillway. We will take a look at that. But that's that one area I had some calls on it that I did look at.

   Alan Rose

   54:35And that should that should appropriate handle. handle that section. But it's gonna cause a lot more pressure and Tanglewood's gonna see some of the things that we're gonna be happy.

   MarianoChair

   54:45I'd be happy to work with you in Brantford to go look at that and study that issue where it's off to make sure we can if there's the correct ability to to correct that.

   Alan Rose

   54:53Thank you. Right. And we are we are flo already flooding across Ridge Road on the other side because that's a natural spillway for us. That's how it was built and designed. And you can go over there and watch the flow go under Rage Road. Go back to the mic so we can pick you up, sorry. You c you can go and watch the the flow. From Tanglewood, Bass Lake. You can watch that flow going to tangl going to Rocky Sink. But because of all the developments that's been to the south of Rocky Sink now, it doesn't naturally flow like it used to. It fills up fast and then it reverses

   55:23course and it floods back in. I watched all the l all of the uh docks in Bass Lake go underwater and I watched homes, we all have acreage, okay? And I watched everyone dealing with their their livestock. And I'm

   MarianoChair

   55:35just not happy. And the cross connection of Tim Rokes

   55:37with

   55:37you, but if you would get with Colleens Okay. Thanks. All right, so no one else to speak to this item. We'll close public comment. No one online? No, sir. Okay. So to the board. Move approval. First on. First item would be P thirty eight.

   Starkey

   55:53Ron. Excuse me, I want to make sure that the motion includes the uh addition of the street treatment

   MarianoChair

   55:59that

   Starkey

   55:59would be the second one.

   MarianoChair

   56:01P thirty each land use first. I have a motion from Commissioner Oakley. Yeah.

   Starkey

   56:07Second.

   MarianoChair

   56:08And a second, Commissioner Starkey. Roll

   Starkey

   56:10call vote. District 1, Commissioner Oakley. Aye. District 2, Commissioner Starkey Wakeman.

   Alan Rose

   56:14Aye.

   Starkey

   56:14District 3, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District 4, Commissioner Yeager. Aye. District 5, Commissioner Mariano. Aye. I'll

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   56:22go P item P forty three. Um Mr. Chairman, before you take a motion, let's get the conditions bringed out. Um Barbara, I'm looking at 10A. Yeah, that's already in your conditions. Um

   56:40I'm I know what you want to do. Let me get there. Um which reads each single family detached lot shall have a minimum of two s two trees on or in front of the lot, one of which may be on the side or backyard and one of which must be in the front of the home. Strike but may The either and say additionally a street tree Shall be in the front of the lot.

   Starkey

   57:09That is not a crepe myrtle.

   57:11Or under story

   57:12two.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   57:17Yeah. Did that work for you?

   Barbara Wilhite

   57:20Yeah, is that so are we requiring three trees?

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   57:25I thought that was the offer.

   Barbara Wilhite

   57:27I know I was trying trying to grab my my engineer.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   57:31So yeah, so I I left the minimum of two trees and then have additionally A Canopy street tree.

   57:42Additionally there shall be a canopy street tree tree. Or

   Barbara Wilhite

   57:44is that shade tree? That's that's how street cut.

   project engineer

   57:49Jeremy Couch, Tampa Civil, I

   57:50have

   57:50been sworn. Um so um Mr. Steinsnyder, I'm thinking it should say each single family detail attached lot shall have a minimum of three trees. And then um you gotta do more work if you do that.

   Starkey

   58:08No, that's what they have to say.

   project engineer

   58:14Street tree Located between the back of curb and face of sidewalk.

   Starkey

   58:21Mm-hmm. Okay, now so you raise the question to me. Um What What do we define as a tree?

   project engineer

   58:31You you have a definition in your land development code, Commissioner, for what shade trees are versus ornamental trees?

   Starkey

   58:39Okay.

   project engineer

   58:39So there's a specific list of

   Starkey

   58:41species.

   project engineer

   58:44I don't think those categorize as shade trees.

   Starkey

   58:47No, I'm not saying shade tree. I'm talking about the one that could be in the back or the front, the other ones. What are those?

   project engineer

   58:54So

   Starkey

   58:55I mean are you gonna tell me a Lugustrum counts or uh

   Barbara Wilhite

   58:58Patrick's coming

   Starkey

   58:59up. Great Myrtle.

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   59:01Okay.

   59:04Um I just shocked myself. Uh Patrick Detter, Planning and Development, Development Review Director. Um so lot trees are required to be shade trees. Okay. And we have uh in the development manual a list of different categories of trees, shade trees, ornamental trees, palm trees. So they will have to be of the shade tree variety.

   Starkey

   59:20Uh did you say sh a pa palm tree was it?

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   59:22Palm tree is a separate category. There are larger palms that can be counted as shade tree, but no single family home is gonna buy one of those very large expensive palms to count as their shade tree. So

   Starkey

   59:33Okay. Um All right. That was my question. So which definition do you want? Which

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   59:40which definition do we w are we gonna

   Starkey

   59:42go with

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   59:42though? Your definition is it with it is within your code and I wouldn't I wouldn't change it for a specific condition. You need to go back and change your land development code if you don't

   Starkey

   59:54think

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   59:55that was okay.

   1:00:00I think that the what Jeremy proposed is fine.

   1:00:05So it it would just be Um it would designate a minimum of three trees. One of one of which would be a Shade a canopy or

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:00:18shade is the word.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:00:19A shade is the word he used. A shade shade street tree.

   Starkey

   1:00:23That is so are you saying the others can be No, I d I don't think I think that is not the code. Let me hear him say what the code is. Then I need to

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   1:00:33I I think Jeff was just being specific too the code already requires those lot trees to be shade trees. I think Jeff was also just specifically clarifying that the additional street tree also needs to be a shade tree.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:00:48I promise we'll get this wording right. Okay, remember that wording

   Starkey

   1:00:52because it's coming on

   YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   1:00:52whatever else is coming. Did you want to put rid the location where he said Of the tree or no?

   MarianoChair

   1:01:01All right, so let's do this. So on for P forty three, we're gonna look for the condition from the county attorney to be stated, then we'll look for a motion.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:01:09Oh.

   1:01:11Or you can leave it to the county attorney to approve after Your motion, the actual language. I think they

   Starkey

   1:01:20do a really good job. They can they ha they have to have three trees, one of which they're all shade, one of which is a street tree, one can be in the front or the side, and the other one has to be in the back.

   MarianoChair

   1:01:29Is that your motion?

   1:01:32Is that your message? Am I

   Starkey

   1:01:33right? Yes.

   Oakley

   1:01:35Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opponents? Rowe calling it.

   Starkey

   1:01:40No.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:01:41No, no. Thank you, Commissioner.

   YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   1:01:44I do think we should add that to our code though.

   Starkey

   1:01:46Yes, I agree. I I I an engineer brought that to my attention that we were not requiring speech.

   1:01:54A flawed not a closure.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:01:56It's the the exhibit. It's it's exhibited J. Yeah. All right.