PDE-26-0437

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1. 1May 7, 2026
   Planning CommissionPC1Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   Comprehensive Plan Amendment (Regular) (Continuance) — CPA24(07) CPAL Two Rivers- Providing for Transmittal of a Comprehensive Plan Text … FLU 7.1.11- Two Rivers PD PD.

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2. 2Jun 2, 2026
   Board of County CommissionersP31Public hearingContinued

   Comprehensive Plan Amendment (Regular) (Continuance) — CPA24(07) CPAL Two Rivers- Providing for Transmittal of a Comprehensive Plan Text … to Subarea Policy FLU 7.1.11- 7.1.11 - Two Rivers PD

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3. 3Jun 11, 2026
   Planning CommissionPC6Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   Comprehensive Plan Amendment (Regular) — (Continuance) - CPA24(07) CPAL Two Rivers- Providing for Transmittal of a Comprehensive Plan Text … FLU 7.1.11- Two Rivers PD PD.

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   Chris Shaver

   3:25:52Good afternoon, Ms. Chairman Mari Cyber Center, Planning

   Applicant representative

   3:25:54Development and Economic Growth. All items except for item P C nine have individual signed up to speak. Would you like me to read item PC nine mode B Other agenda items. Let me see What nine what number are you going?

   3:26:12Does not have kind of an individual kind of speak. But all of the other agenda items do have individual assignments we can volume.

   Chris Shaver

   3:26:28Item PC

   Applicant representative

   3:26:29six, you

   3:26:29will

   3:26:29be sitting as the local planning agency board. This item does have a companion item, which is item PC7. PC six is PDE 267856. Two rivers and a beauty. P D D twenty six. O four thirty seven is a small scale comprehensive plan amendment, CPA point four parentheses, zero. Seven, CPAL, two rivers, providing for a comprehensive plan text amendment to sub-area policy flu seven point one one eleven

   3:27:00two rivers meeting. This is coming with the request to continue the item to be July 9th, 2026 at 1 30 p.m. Pursuant thereafter saying they need heard in date city. This item does have four individuals signed up to speak. Well the uh the there's two there's It means you get probably PC six and seven, right? DC six right. Okay. And you said seven or ninety. Is it yes? Anyway.

   Chris Shaver

   3:27:32eight it

   Applicant representative

   3:27:33was

   Chris Shaver

   3:27:33in the agenda member. Yeah, sure.

   3:27:37So

   3:27:45Okay, um Is there anybody here that had intended to speak up?

   3:27:51Yeah, you put it in.

   Applicant representative

   3:27:53This was noticed as a continuance.

   3:27:56No. Thanks.

   3:27:58The Planning Commission does not have any obligation to take public common. Good one. Okay, this is a continuance. The continuance is to the date. And he didn't memorize so You don't have any obligation to take for comments. Okay, what's later

   Chris Shaver

   3:28:14in me here? July ninth, two thousand twenty six, at one thirty P M in Date City.

   3:28:23Both of them, right.

   3:28:27For sure.

   3:28:33Uh you that raised your hand,

   Applicant representative

   3:28:35you understand what we said. Uh the fact that he's highly nervous. Okay, so We have no obligation, so we'll listen to Probably not me. Yeah, we don't know just the near gonna be a different date. Hello?

   Chris Shaver

   3:28:52If

   Applicant representative

   3:28:52you're here and

   Chris Shaver

   3:28:52if you you have a current I think they're there around. Issue. Making making the things

   Applicant representative

   3:28:59here. I'll give you an opportunity to speak, but we realize that When if you pick the day, you will not be able to speak on seven.

   Chris Shaver

   3:29:09Oh sorry. Oh yeah. Okay, so

   Christy Zimmer

   3:29:15Oh wait.

   Chris Shaver

   3:29:16Join. Okay.

   3:29:22You like to speak to the hair or do you want to speak to the hair and then I

   3:29:28The young lady in the black dress and lady in the black.

   Applicant representative

   3:29:32I don't know. I just wanna I I don't know. I don't know. So

   3:29:36if you can make it back on the ninth of July, then then you can speak then. If you can't make it, you want to speak today, you can speak today. Just know that you can't do it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:29:46Here's that one that will go on the record is what

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   3:29:50Fifth for six. Right. Item six, PC six.

   Chris Shaver

   3:29:55Okay. Sorry, is it someone to speak first?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   3:30:00Oh

   Chris Shaver

   3:30:00we But she's a little way.

   3:30:05All right.

   Applicant representative

   3:30:07Um

   Chris Shaver

   3:30:07I should move

   Applicant representative

   3:30:08between my PC six and PC seven to July ninth, PC.

   3:30:14Modern fashion part of the scratch. In favor? All right.

   3:30:23That's gonna be her on the night. Very nice. I don't DC seven the companion MP to item D C six. P D D twenty six, seventy eight, fifty six, then they've already Yeah, we're gonna check that by the boat number eight. Okay, I read the title for PC six and I mentioned it's a companion item for PC seven. Well yeah, I think about the cards, but um Read I forgot to

   3:30:53read the title and the date. BCs have another All right, item PC seven is the companion of PD to item PC six, PDE twenty six, seventy eight, fifty six, bazoning amendment, and name of two rivers of PD, master planning unit development. Is it modification by EPG to reverse development LLC? Career zoning position from MPUD

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:31:15Master Planning and Development District and MPUD Master Planning and Development. So after the maximum development, four thousand Forty-seven single-family detached units, two thousand five hundred multifamily units. One million three hundred and thirty five thousand square feet of office target. Industry. One million three hundred and thirty five thousand square feet of the post road. 1,335,000 square feet of retail, 300 beds for assistive living

   Applicant representative

   3:31:42facility, 480 hotel rooms, and a 35-acre recreational water park on 3,396 and a half acres. Located in southeast Pasco County on the north and south side of State Road 56 from Marsh Bridge Road to Cal Wolves Garden. Coming up to the request for continuing down July ninth at one thirty and day six. This is one of the parts when you continue it again. Okay. ever uh need Okay.

   3:32:13Item PCA to PDE 26791 zoning amendment in the name of MITRES Family Excended LLC, Mitrus Project for a change in zoning from an AR agricultural residential district to an R4 high density residential district. West Central Pasco County from the west side of Kent Grove Drive, approximately one mile north, State Road 52, containing approximately 40.96 acres. This is coming with a recommendation of approval to the Board of County Commissioners who proposed rezoning

   3:32:43requests. This item has two individuals. I'm about to speak. Is there an The example present. Yeah, what is the

   Chris Shaver

   3:32:53reaction? See yeah, for that is a Okay, a problem.

   Christy Zimmer

   3:33:03Does that continue? No, it's being

   Applicant representative

   3:33:06called in regular gender so we can hear it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   3:33:09It's been habit.

   Applicant representative

   3:33:12PC

   Timothy Hellwing

   3:33:13nine is PD

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:33:14267927 as a zoning amendment in the name of 52 and Bellamy Investment Group L C Bell Mee Parcel Rezoning for

   Applicant representative

   3:33:21a change in zoning from an I1 White Industrial Park District to a C2 General Commercial District. This is in central Pasco County. Southeast corner of the intersection of State Road fifty two and Element Brother Bull Horn. It's only approximately 1.51 acres. This is kind of the recommendation of approvals of Port of County Commissioner for the proposed reason

   Chris Shaver

   3:33:40and the those.

   3:33:46Do you want to hit the check?

   3:33:50So that's just Ahí sí.

   Applicant representative

   3:33:54Item PC 10 is PD26CU01, a conditional use request in the name of the St. Joe Branch, LLC. MVB aggregatories and LLC for conditional use permit to combine two previously Approved conditional use permits, parentheses cu twelve dash seven and cu nineteen-01. It's a one unified conditional use permit for an amusement park in an A-C agricultural district. This is in north-central

   3:34:25Pasco County, approximately 850 feet east of the intersection of St. Joe Road and Bellingham Brothers Boulevard. It contained approximately one hundred and eighteen acres. It's coming with recommendation of approvals, the board of county commissioners proposed reconditional use requests. with conditions as set forth under the recommendation conditions section. This item has two.

   Chris Shaver

   3:34:48Four individual sign up to speed. Yeah, present.

   3:34:53Okay, yeah, no ready to speak. speak four individuals. Raise your hand, please.

   3:35:04Oh yeah.

   3:35:08Item PC 11 is PDE

   Applicant representative

   3:35:1026, CDU 13, with additional use request in the name of St. Joe Grantch L receive and BBX version. Ability for conditional use permit for the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages, beer, wine and liquor. For on-premise consumption, only in conjunction with an amusement park and H C Agricultural District. Sites in north central Pasco County approximately eight hundred and forty feet. East of the intersection, Saint Joe Road is the only brother's ballpark, containing approximately one hundred and fifteen acres. It's

   3:35:41finished the recommendation of approvals to Board of County Commissioners with their proposed conditional use requests with conditions as set forth in the recommendation condition section. This item has two individual sign up

   Chris Shaver

   3:35:51to speak.

   3:35:54There you go. Yeah, I have that.

   3:36:09So then yeah, there's one more.

   3:36:13Explorer. Right. Well um easy board please attend that I was concerned.

   Applicant representative

   3:36:21Item eight P C fourteen building stands with the funding agency for is PD twenty six zero seven zero six, a development agreement in the name of Tenton Road Commercial Development Agreement.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:36:32Kenton Road Commercial Available C and Development Agreement is for the Kenton Road Commercial MPU to design, permit, and construct Kenton Road from Ellen Road to Overpass Road as a

   Applicant representative

   3:36:43two-lane road, inclusive of intersection improvements in exchange for castrain version. Everything connects with the city is located central classroom. Discovering with the recommendation to find the proposed development agreement consistent with a comprehensive plan. And recommend approval to the Board of County Commissioners. This item has two individuals signed up to speech.

   Chris Shaver

   3:37:02Yeah, good present.

   3:37:08Yeah.

   3:37:14Okay.

   3:37:18Move to approve uh considered Juno, which is just PC now.

   3:37:24I am second. All in favor signify by saying aye.

   3:37:30Spit me.

   3:37:35Yeah.

   3:37:38I'll go back and keep the game.

4. 4Jul 9, 2026
   Planning CommissionP13Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   Comprehensive Plan Amendment (Regular) … Two Rivers- Providing for Transmittal of a Comprehensive Plan Text … FLU 7.1.11- Two Rivers PD PD.

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   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:43:10Hello? There we go. There we go. All right, so the next item is a comprehensive plan amendment. It's item P thirteen. It's CPA twenty-four zero seven, CPAL two rivers, providing for a comprehensive plan text amendment, the sub area policy flu seven point one point one one two rivers PD, and this is file number PDE twenty-six zero four three seven.

   1:43:33Right. As I just mentioned, this is a proposed comprehensive plan text amendment to the policy flu seven point one point one one two rivers PD to allow for an increase in residential dwelling units and non-residential entitlements on approximately three thousand four hundred and five acres. And this is located on the north and south side of State Road 56, spanning from Morris Bridge Road to Gal Boulevard. And there's the accompanying sub-area policy, policy flu 7.11 for River Speedy. And there is a companion

   1:44:03rezoning, which will be heard after this.

   1:44:08Here's the county location. You can see it in the southeast corner there. The subject property is located in the South Market area and the urban concentration area.

   1:44:19Here's the overall boundaries showing the two rivers P D

   1:44:25Now here's a context map. I'm going to start from west and go east. So to the west of the two rivers boundary is the River Landing MPUD, which is approved for a maximum development of 1,999 single-family detached or attached dwelling units, 250,000 square feet of commercial retail uses, and 150,000 square feet of office. Now just running through the Vision Roads and Collector Roads, you'll see first there's Morris Bridge Road, a county arterial roadway, and then there's

   1:44:56Two Rivers Boulevard, Collector Roadway, Colston Avenue, also a collector roadway, and then there's State Road 56, NFT OT Arterial Roadway, and then to the north you'll see Lodge Grass Boulevard and Coates Road. which are also collector roadways. And then there's Gall Boulevard US 301. And then just east of the Two River Subject Site is the 301 East MPUD, which was approved for a maximum development of 200 townhome units and thirty-six thousand square feet of commercial uses.

   1:45:28So this slide right here shows the maximum levels of development. So I will note that there have been non-substantial modifications that have occurred on the MPUD side, which the sub-area policy allows for, and have changed the entitlement. So part of this is to clean up the entitlements to be consistent with the non-substantial modifications that have occurred and also to incorporate the proposal today. Okay. So part of the proposal today is the removal of the age-restricted residential dwelling units. So

   1:45:59there's 209 currently remaining. And out of those, 133 would count as trip neutral towards the overall increase in multifamily units. And then there's an additional 767 multifamily units proposed that are non-trip neutral. The applicant also proposed to add 300 assisted living facility beds, 480 hotel rooms, and 705,000 square feet of retail, and a water park not to exceed 35 acres.

   1:46:33Story. Go back. One thing I just want to note as well The original sub-area policy that was approved in 2008 allowed for a maximum of 6,400 dwelling units, equating to a gross density of 1.87. The proposal today for 6,547 dwelling units equates to a gross density of 1.92. It's a 0.05 increase proposed.

   1:47:02And the proposed amendment is consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies. Section flu A6, PD Plan Development, Policy Flu 7.1.11, Two Rivers PD, Policy Flu 8.1.2, South Market Area Establishment, Policy Flu 1.8.7, Economic Development. Policy Flu 1.8.10, preservation of capacity for employment generating uses, policy HSG 1.1.2, Comprehensive

   1:47:33Plan Amendments, Policy ED 1.7.2, promote tourism expansion. And this comes to you with a recommendation that you find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommend approval to the Board of County Commissioners. I'm available if you have any questions.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:47:47Can you go back over the density again?

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:47:51Mm-hmm.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:47:52What was that? Can you go back over the density number?

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:47:55Yeah, and I think honestly on the MPUD presentation it'll be a little clearer because I'll have it shown.

   1:48:02But additionally the density is gonna be a little bit different because due to the last non-subs there's actually an overall decrease of the current approval of the overall units since they exchanged a lot of the units, but it's it's relatively close. But the density that I have was 1.87. as the existing approved today and the this is from a gross standpoint. And the proposal is a 1.92

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:48:28Okay, I think you just answered my question.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:48:30It's just from the gross perspective.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:48:32That's on the gross acreage, so that's including the areas allocated for retail, industrial, water parks, hotels.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:48:41Correct. And that's because multifamily So

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:48:43what would the density be if it were just based on the residential portion of the P D?

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:48:48Um I can pull that up at the end.

   1:49:00Yeah, I think a reason why also that it was calculated on the overall is because majority of the mixed use parcels also can accommodate for a residential component. So there is, I will say, yes, the school, the park should be removed from the overall calculation to get you that that answer, but Beyond that predominantly all of the parcels allow for a residential component. Which will be clarified in the M P O D presentation. Okay.

   GreyChair

   1:49:33Okay, any other questions?

   1:49:37No. All right, Jack President.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:49:48Mr. Chairman Mari Hobby, Hobby and Hobby PA 109, North Brest Street, Tampa, Florida, have been sworn. We're going to make a joint presentation, so I was hoping staff might make the MPUD presentation, then I can follow that.

   GreyChair

   1:50:02Okay. Thank you. Mm.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:50:26So this is the two rivers MPUD substantial modification. This is item PDE twenty-six seven eight five six.

   1:50:34Here's the county location again, which I'm sure we're familiar with at this point. And the proposal, again, is a substantial modification of the Two Rivers MPUD Master Plan Unit Development to allow for the maximum development of 4,047 single-family detached units, 2,500 multifamily units, 1,335,000 square feet of office target industry, 1,335,000 square feet of industrial. 1,335,000 square feet of retail, 300 beds for an assisted living

   1:51:04facility, 480 hotel rooms, and a 35-acre recreational water park on approximately 3,405 acres.

   1:51:17So again, here's the location map. The key thing that's showing here is this is to date, predominantly parcels that haven't been developed in the overall Two Rivers development since a lot of this has been built.

   1:51:31Again, this is just reflecting the existing zoning of MPUD. So here's the existing master plan. Now a couple things I want to note here is you'll see in the northeast corner the Two River School site that was contemplated originally and the county park. And the reason why I mentioned this is only portions of both of these sites was originally acquired, so there's leftover pieces that the app proposes to develop with mixed-use development.

   1:51:59Another thing I want to point out is you'll see in the northeast corner as well, along the south side of State Road 56, there's mixed-use parcel K, which is also proposed to be expanded, and you'll see that depicted in the next slide here. So here's the proposed master plan today. So again you'll see now the remaining piece of the Two River School site. On the southern piece is the mixed-use parcel C.

   1:52:26And then you'll see just east of the county park parcel, you'll see mixed use parcel M. And you'll also see on the south side of State Road 56 that mixed use parcel K is now expanded out.

   1:52:39So, as I go through the entitlements too as well, for clarification, multifamily entitlements can be the following product types: apartments, two-family, triplex, quadruplex, condominiums, townhomes, villas, and live work units. And so PDE and the applicant work together on this proposal, and of the proposed additional 900 multifamily units, only 240 maybe apartments. And must be located on mixed use parcel M. or industrial office commercial parcel

   1:53:09C So I think I can Uh uh so another thing to point out too, which is big with this, if you see the blue circle up there, that's the proposed conceptual location of that thirty-five acre recreational water park.

   1:53:30And here's the connectivity plan as well. And on the connectivity plan you'll see a blue and a purple outline on many of these collector roadways. So there is a 12-foot paved multi-use path running along State Road 56, Colston Avenue.

   1:53:47trying to get this to work. Olson Avenue. Two Rivers Boulevard, Lodegrass Boulevard, and Coates Road. Now also add There, let's see. There we go. So right here also there's an enhanced pedestrian safe crossing to go from Lodegrass Boulevard across State Road 56, which will provide a safer access for people accessing the county park and the Two River School site.

   1:54:17And then on the bottom, it's kind of hard to see on this plan, but there's a 20-foot path. It's called the Tico Trail. It kind of runs along the southern portion of the subject site. It's not to be improved, it's to be natural. And on the southernmost extent of the subject site, you'll see the continued connectivity into the Hillsborough County side of the two rivers development with a 12-foot multi-use path as well along the right-way. So another thing that I want to mention is for the multifamily apartments component of this proposal,

   1:54:48PDE worked with the applicant to provide enhanced design standards, to provide for better building orientation, parking orientation, landscaping, walkability, and connectivity. And as part of that, we had a updated alternative type 2 typical section for local roadways. So you'll see two 11-foot travel lanes, an eight-foot landscaped area, and then two 10-foot paths on either side.

   1:55:17So here's just the overall walkthrough of the current entitlements to date versus what is proposed.

   1:55:26And here's again where you will see the density calculation at the bottom, but as I mentioned it didn't subtract out those areas. I think my colleague is working on that.

   1:55:38The applicant is requesting the following variation from the code, LDC section 805.6, restrictions on post-development wetlands and upland buffers within residential lots and non-residential parcels. The applicant requests to seek relief from the requirement to form a mandatory association or CDD to own and manage open space, drainage areas, common areas, landscape areas, wetland areas, buffers areas. Or other special purpose areas when within a multifamily parcel or under a single ownership for any industrial office or commercial retail sites.

   1:56:08And PDE is amenable to the requested variation.

   1:56:14And this comes to you with a recommendation of approval to the Board of County Commissioners of the proposed zoning amendment request with conditions.

   GreyChair

   1:56:23Right. Here I questions? No. All right, so I'm present. Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:56:35Mr Chairman Clark Howdy again I'm gonna have to put Channel twenty eight's mic down here because I won't Operate up here. Okay, thank you for putting that up there, Patty. Uh before I get started on our uh PowerPoint. Uh just I wanna give a couple of high level things. I think staff alluded to it, but it's important to remember the the larger context of this project. The project has been planned for many years uh in the county and the first comp plan amendments occurred I think in two

   1:57:05thousand eight. And after that, the county adopted a series of sweeping um comp plan changes that resulted in us creating the market areas that we know so well around the county and the urban service area and the urban uh service expansion area. And those two areas included two rivers from the get-go. So the county has known and planned for this project for many, many years,

   1:57:35and certainly since 2010. It's a 3,400-acre project. It's, you know, it's hundreds of millions of dollars have already been spent in development on. The project, and it's well it's on its way. As staff pointed out, and I'll get to in a little bit more detail. We've been trying to address all segments of commercial development and all the infrastructure that you need for a project of this magnitude, including schools,

   1:58:06including a regional park site. We've already conveyed sites to the county. The county bought a regional park site and the school board bought a school site where they're planning on doing a K8 site there. So what you see before you is a project that the county has really thought of as a bookend on the 54-56 corridor for many years now. The county may Assumptions about planning certain transit

   1:58:36and other transportation improvements along this corridor along many many years, you know, over 15 years, and I'll get to some of that as we go. And when I'm done with with my part of the presentation, I'm going to ask Tony Miller, who's the proposed developer of the of the surf part that you've already heard about on the site to come up. explain what he's trying to do and why we think this will be a really great regional and national draw for our area and for two rivers. So

   1:59:07Two Rivers, uh the the the developer Eisenhower Property Group is very much aware that this is a land with a great history. The Thomas family owned this property for many generations and took great care of the land itself. Um it was, you know, a a timber operation for many years, but it's also had great hunting, fishing, and wildlife and and in case Many of you all don't know, it's the Thomas family that gave the property that created the Hillsborough River

   1:59:38State Park that's such a large feature in this area. And actually, my grandfather worked for the CCCs during the Great Depression and helped build the park, so that's always been a point of pride in our family. Again, you saw this staff from from um you saw this map from staff and what it's showing you all the areas that are cross-hatched. Or have the other checking on it are areas that are either have been already platted or already have site plan and/or construction

   2:00:08plan approvals. So a large area of the project's already been approved. So what happened as we're going along over the years and the planning of the project, our client undertook a comprehensive uh uh review of the project about three, four years ago and they hired a national firm to come in and do a couple of things. One was they wanted to make sure that they were getting the quality of development that they thought was possible to have. on a project

   2:00:39of this size. And they felt like there'd been a lot of entry level stuff that had been built in the area and they thought maybe we could do a little bit better. Then they also looked at the commercial that had been approved on this entire 56 uh extension, which is over six miles, and they determined that there was a significant amount of uh underprovided commercial in the area. And so that's why we're seeking so much more commercial and for other reasons I'll

   2:01:09explain in a minute. And then lastly, again, this surf park opportunity arose and the client is of the opinion that we're going to be fulfilling just about every part of what a live work play community could be already. But we didn't have a big national or regional draw, and we feel like the surf park's going to do that. So I'll get moving here. So again, this project has over three miles of frontage on State Road 56. You

   2:01:40all will recall that State Road got uh funded initially as a two-lane road, and I worked with the three MPUD. Owners out here and Mr. Goldstein to create a surcharge system, and the county got a loan from the State Infrastructure Bank, but the surcharges on two rivers pay for about 60% of the total cost of lanes three and four of State Road 56 for over six miles. So again,

   2:02:10regionally significant project. Yeah. In addition to those surcharges, the project generates around, we think conservatively, $50 million in mobility fees for the county. Again, massive amount of money being created for the county to use on roadway projects over time. Now, when we speak about the quality, As we retooled the project over the last couple of years, just the area south of State Road 56, our client is

   2:02:41spending uh close to $50 million in landscaping and hardscape improvements, and home builders in that area are spending another 13. So it's going to be a very high-end community. Again, you've already seen some of this stuff from staff, but up in the top right area, there's already a major employment area that's reserved. There are major employment areas for light industrial that are reserved in the northwest

   2:03:12area as well. The school sites already been acquired by the school board and an 85-acre regional park sites already been created. And to uh the the question that was posed earlier, I don't have the specific question that Mr. Moody was asking for, but our counts were, and it's hard to say if we lessed out all of the non-residential, but before we less that out, the net density was about 2.67 units per acre. And and the reason why I bring that up is

   2:03:42yes, we are asking for more units here. But if you factor in the land use exchanges that had already occurred before we filed, and the one that we could have done on the senior housing was 209 units, we're essentially asking for just over 700 units on a project that already has, I think, about 5700 units. So it's not a huge amount. And even when those units are less. You're still at a density

   2:04:13level that's commensurate with the rest of our urban service area in the South Market area. And if you look at our rental units as a whole, we're still at about 17.8%, which is very low compared to the majority of the rest of the Bay Area. You've already seen this table several times. I'm not going to attempt to do anything with this slide other than to tell you that there have been months and months spent with county

   2:04:43staff uh on the uh uh negotiation of what could occur uh in any additional apartments with this approval. And I'll try to summarize it very quickly. Yeah. We can only have more apartments up to 240 if the surf park is built. And we build in one of only two areas that are very close to the surf park and the regional park site. And we then have

   2:05:13to have it be part of a mixed-use area with a very urban design where the buildings are up on the road. and we're trying to create an area that's more like Hyde Park. Uh it's not intended to be more suburban form, multifamily. It's intended to complement the surf park area. And if the surf park doesn't happen, that doesn't happen. And even on our townhouses, a lot of negotiation with county staff on it. And the townhouses can only be one of three things. They have to either be 24

   2:05:44feet or wider. Okay, so that's much larger than the typical 18 or 20 foot wide townhouses we see. And one of our premier local luxury builders has a contract to build a significant amount of those units, and we expect them to be. be priced two to three times uh higher than the average entry level townhouse would be in the county. The only other two options for townhouses or are being alley loaded or if

   2:06:14it's an internal lot that opens up onto a village green.

   2:06:19So the project has about a 170-page architectural design guideline package that everyone has to follow. You're looking at some of the homes by West Bay that have been built on the south side of 56. Uh I'll get into the details on those, but that basically we created With the Eisenhower team, their architectural group, and the planners created a package of specific design ranch architecture that's

   2:06:50consistent throughout the project. And again, every part, whether it's single-family detached townhouses, apartments, any classification has to follow the themed architecture through there. What you see though in reality since the project's been retooled is a project that is very high-end in general. On the south side of 56 alone, there have already been 253 homes over $700,000

   2:07:20sold. West Bay's average house is well over a million dollars, and these numbers are a little bit outdated, but they had sold over 88 as of a few months ago with an average sales price of 1.066 million. And the project has won several different local and uh regional awards. Projects built around trails and parks. We know that that's what residents want. It's not just, you know, planners here at the county.

   2:07:51That's what people want these days. And so there are over 10 miles of multi-use paths and trails that run through the project. As you heard from staff, there's about eight miles south of State Road 56 that has. either 10 or 12 foot trails, most of which are 12. And then we have some localized connections, boardwalks and stuff like that. And then the really cool

   2:08:17other path that's going to go through a Tico transmission area that has a big oak canopy along the south, the Pasco Hillsboro line. Again, very high-end amenity package. You know, some of the recent discussions with other MPUDs are about, you know, what kind of quality are you going to have? Are you even going to have an amenity on site? Well, yes, many amenities and many upscale amenities. I'm just going to run you through a

   2:08:47couple of the high-end amenities that are either have been built or are being built as we speak.

   2:08:54You know, you see resort style pools in several of them. I think three of the four major amenity areas have resort style pools, big workout areas, wine bars, restaurants, private clubs. We have large uh parks. Neighborhood parks, dog parks. This another one called the Nest. I believe this one just completed construction recently. You see again another large area.

   2:09:24Dog parks, things of this nature, boce ball. Very high end. You can see the ranch style architecture here that carries on throughout the project. But it's a project that you know we're very proud of, and we're trying to make sure creates the live work play that the urban service area in the South Market area were. Requiring for this area. And I'm gonna have uh Tony come up now if he will and and walk you through the SERP park. But I just want to say

   2:09:54again, and I know I think you guys have heard this over many years, but I'm just gonna remind you of a few things about the South Market area that the intent that the comp plan says we're supposed to follow. For this area. And it says that the area shall be characterized by dense vertical non-residential development and sophisticated residential development with quality design, intensity, and density necessary to support transit opportunities. And that the mission for the

   2:10:24South Market area is the creation of high-density, compact, and mixed-use location with maximized transportation opportunities that attract a broad spectrum of employers and businesses. This area promotes higher density compact development and encourages mixed-use communities that live/slash work. I think that's what we're delivering on here. That's been our mission all. all along and we're just following up on that now. And with that I'll turn this over to Tony Miller and he can make a presentation about the Surf Park and then I'll be happy to

   2:10:54answer any questions you may have.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   2:10:56Thank you.

   2:10:58Tony Miller, 3614 West Morrison Avenue in Tampa. I am the developer of Peak Surf Park here. I'm gonna take you through a few slides here just to give everybody uh two things. One is a much better perspective of what this surf park really means. I think there's probably some confusion about what is a water park. This is uh will hopefully answer some of those questions. And two, um, show what value this is bringing to the The county because I think it's there's significant value there. So the vision for the surf park is uh to redefine

   2:11:29lifestyle and leisure in the Tampa Bay market. Uh, there are four key components I think that we're really delivering inside of this park. One is it's going to be a great surf park. Uh I know a lot of people think that there's a lot of surfing opportunities in Florida. There are not, especially on the West Coast. We do not Have any waves and so there will be surfing here in Pasco County. The second is it is a lot more than surf. This will be the best beach club in Tampa or in uh yeah, in Tampa Bay, in Florida.

   2:11:59This is uh people love to go to the beach. This will be a really great opportunity to have a great beach right here in Pasco County. It's gonna be a hub for recreation and entertainment. There'll be a lot more than just the surfing in the beach. There's gonna be restaurants, there's gonna be a festival field, there's gonna be uh all kinds of things that I'll show you in just a second. And the final thing, and probably one of the most important for me, is this will be a third place for local residents. You have your home, you've got your work. Where's that place that you gather, you congregate, you socialize, you find community? This is going

   2:12:29to be that place for many, many people here locally. I said that uh it's more than just surf. We we say surfing is the magnet, lifestyle is the multiplier. Uh as you can see here, there's going to be the beach and the boardwalk and a lot of the things associated with that. Uh there's gonna be a great dining scene here. Uh one of the examples that I provided for people is that in my mind this is in no way is this gonna be what you would see at a typical attraction. The food scene will be much, much better than that. We want to have uh small food outlets and

   2:12:59each one of them would represent one of the iconic surf destinations in the world. So you might have one that's Brazilian, we have one that's Australian. Maybe you're gonna have California food. So um it'll be a very unique and eclectic uh uh food scene. We're gonna have a sports village that's gonna include uh skateboarding, climbing walls, uh all kinds of things. It'll be it'll be fantastic for the kids. Um and then we're also gonna have events and retail um where there's gonna be it's gonna be a true retail village. So it won't again be anything

   2:13:30kitschy. Uh That you might see at a lot of the uh themed attraction parks. This is an example. Uh this should be a pretty good representation. I've been continuing to push and pull on our site plan, so there will be things that will move around in this, but it gives you a good sense of the surf lagoon, the beach, and a lot of the amenities that are on there. So for example, down here is where we have that action sports park uh with a lazy River. Um up here is like a retail village. Uh there's going to be uh food

   2:14:00and beverage. Uh this is going to be a hotel along with a big festival field where we can do all kinds of events, movies, concerts, all kinds of things like that. Um Moving on, I think one of the important things here is the vibe of this park is authenticity is critical. We do not want this to feel like a typical theme park. We want this to feel like an authentic surf village that you walk into. And everything that we do around the design and the guest experience will be represented here.

   2:14:31So I think it's important to note that I am not a traditional developer. I am here to infuse this development with my personal mission statement. My personal mission statement for my life is to live big, laugh a lot, and elevate others. That's what I'm striving to do for me. And I see all of those elements fitting into this surf park. I'm not building the surf park and then turning around and selling it. This is my baby, I'm going to build it, I want to operate it, and I'm build doing it with a long-term view in mind. So I want this to

   2:15:01be an awesome experience for everybody who is involved. So, kind of transitioning to driving value for Pasco County, I'm just going to summarize this in three main areas. One, I think this is going to be an incredible asset for locals. This is going to be something, as Clark just mentioned, this is the play in that live work play, where people in all of this surrounding Two Rivers development and beyond can have a place that they can come to, they can go to the beach, they can enjoy great food, they can listen to live music,

   2:15:31there will be something for everybody. This is not just for surfers. Second, this is creating a lot of economic benefit. There is over 500 jobs, new jobs it will be creating, 700 if you include the hotel jobs, 1.3 billion of economic impact over the first 10 years, and a lot of additional tax revenue that will be going into the county here. So we're driving economic benefit. The EDC has provided a letter of support. So Bill Cronin has provided that. We've also,

   2:16:02in the final thing years, we are creating a regional/slash national destination. This will be an incredible park that will be known throughout the country, and we will draw people here that want to come and experience that. It will be something that is we will draw people from Hillsborough, we're gonna draw people throughout the state. So it'll be a an incredible tourism destination. And again, we've gotten a letter from Adam over at uh Florida Sports Coast because it really fulfills

   2:16:32that brand position and all the work that they're looking to do with the tourism board there. Um so that's it. I would say a perfect day is not a a dream, it would be a destination, and that destination is here in Pasco County. Happy to answer

   GreyChair

   2:16:47any questions. Thank you. Are there some questions? Okay, we'll see what questions develop. Uh one last

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:16:54thing I was gonna say Mr. Chairman uh uh two one we have our full team here engineers planners and and if you all take uh public comment and you have questions we'll be happy to answer your questions then but also I I have a feeling some of the folks here uh may be interested in the environmental side of the project and I just did want to point out one thing In my presentation in chief. The county has pretty sophisticated environmental

   2:17:24lands policies and goals that they follow through on every MPUD, and especially where a category one wetland system that's significant, like Indian Creek, is that runs through this project. And I just want everybody on the Planning Commission and who's present to understand the county. Already had requirements of the master developer that I believe have already been complied with that required the creation of a very large regionally significant conservation area

   2:17:54that protects Indian Creek, which is one of the headwaters of Of the Hillsborough River. And so I just want them to know that there were conservation easements that were required to be put in place as each of the phases came along. And so they're either in plats or in separate conservation easements, but those do exist. Other than that, I'll answer questions after our neighbors speak. Thank

   GreyChair

   2:18:19you very

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:18:19much.

   GreyChair

   2:18:20Thank you. All right, who do we have on our list?

   Moody

   2:18:23The first individual I have signed up to speak is a Ms. Danielle Cambrell, and then after that I have a Miss Laura Daffer.

   GreyChair

   2:18:32All right. So as you come up, if you can give us your name and address, and have you been sworn?

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   2:18:38I have. Danielle Kimbrell, [address removed].

   GreyChair

   2:18:43Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   2:18:46The third space already exists. It's called nature and we're losing it. Constantly. This is a a constant sign that is at the Hillsborough Community College This is one of many headwaters that contributes to the Tampa Bay watershed. The water in this seasonal wetlands flows through, beneath, and into the following locations. At the top of this list, Two Rivers Ranch. This is forty nine

   2:19:16mile journey passes through a number of natural communities, including freshwater swamps and creeks. These swamps and creeks flow into the forested river system that slowly meanders its way through Temple Terrace, then through urban Tampa before entering the Hillsborough Bay, Tampa Bay, and finally Gulf of Mexico. The importance of keeping even small water bodies such as this in a prime, pristine, functional, and vital condition as

   2:19:47possible cannot be emphasized enough. The activities that negatively affect headwaters.

   2:19:55Have damaged damaging impacts many miles downstream in their journey to the ocean. Now imagine how many places have already been covered, especially Tam uh Temple Terrace. This is development is not an island. The water will continue to flow. Any more development in this area is beyond irresponsible. Billions of f taxpayers money has gone into repairing the Everglades.

   2:20:26We still haven't learned. This book was written in 1947.

   2:20:35The Hillsborough County was given millions of dollars by the US government for sediment study that started at Baker Creek, just south of this development.

   2:20:49The water is going to continue to flow. And it impacts more than just this development. This land goes back way further than what was mentioned from the people that owned money or have money and have owned this property, this land has been sacred. And I wanna know who's protecting that. Who is overseeing The millions that have already been spent at this property digging

   2:21:20it up and not showing what they find because It there's there's evidence there of past civilizations and it's again beyond irresponsible to develop this area. Thank you.

   GreyChair

   2:21:37Thank you. No applause, please. No applause. Okay.

   Moody

   2:21:43Next we have a Miss Laura Daffer and then after that we have a Mr. Wayne Schuler.

   GreyChair

   2:21:48Okay. Again, give your name and address please.

   Laura Daffer

   2:21:52Hello, my name is Laura Daffer and my mailing address is [address removed]. But the reality is I live in Crystal Springs. Five to ten miles away from where all this proposed development is going to take place, unless you stop it. What will it take for you to understand Pasco County does not need any more development? When

   2:22:23I was growing up, I was taught that Florida meant Land O' Lakes. Please stop it from becoming the land of ugly houses. Right up there where it says open spaces, fire replaces. That's not gonna be Pasco County anymore. Акордіньки кані вебсайт. The population of Pasco County is 659,114.

   2:22:57How many of these people have you asked what they want? What they need. We don't need any more houses, apartments, townhouses, warehouses, stores, car washes, etc. We do need Better roads, less traffic. А ми не протек арвар. Where is the water going to come from for the proposed

   2:23:2735-acre recreational water park?

   2:23:34I am so thankful that I grew up. Going to a God made Water park. Called Crystal Springs. Before the water got Sold off and bottled up.

   2:23:55In closing. I want to quote a line from an old movie. Filled of dreams. If you build it He will come. I'm begging you, stop building it. And maybe then they won't come. Focus on the needs of the people who already live here.

   2:24:20Thank you so much.

   GreyChair

   2:24:21Thank you.

   Moody

   2:24:23Up next is Mr. Wayne Schuler, after that is Ms. Michaela Krauss.

   GreyChair

   2:24:33And Mr. Shuler, I know you've already been sworn, but we still need you to repay Chairman Mariano.

   2:24:41Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:24:41Uh just another quick comment. We expect the Planning Commission, uh the county commissioners, the permitting officials to weigh the interest of all the residents, not not only for profit for builders, but be responsible for water resources, stop unchecked growth and and the degrading of neighborhoods and increase increased flooding and and uh traffic congestion. We're we're just looking for basic

   2:25:12things. We we don't want Uh to stop all building and everything, but w we're we're at a breaking point especially in that area with traffic and water. We we don't need any more. We don't need any more people building. We don't need more people driving in that area. I mean I go to Plant City or Tampa every week and I hate sitting in traffic. It's like it's like Tampa's come to Zephyrhills. I you know. I just think no for now. Until

   2:25:42everything settles down, stop, stop the building, get the roads, infrastructure, and everything built before you start letting people. Thousands of people drive in the end. Please. No more. I'm I've been here a long time and I know what it's like. I remember when it was all flatlands. All the way out fifty-four. You've built so much and once they build they don't care about the people around them. It's

   2:26:13just keep building, keep building, and and you're hurting a hurting a lot of residents. So please, no more.

   GreyChair

   2:26:21Thank you.

   Moody

   2:26:23Up next is Ms Michaela Krause, after that is Mr Carl Bailey.

   Unidentified speakerVoice J

   2:26:31Mikaela Krause, [address removed]. I have sworn. Good afternoon again, Commissioners. I'm a resident here today to strongly urge you to deny the rezoning amendments before you. Two Rivers. What is being proposed is not a minor adjustment. It is a transformation of our community on a massive scale. At Two Rivers alone, this was a project originally presented as

   2:27:01having the same residential footprint comparable to Lake Bernadette. And is now seeking approval for You know, 6,547 new homes, 480 hotel rooms, 4 million square feet of industrial and commercial space, a 35-acre surf water park. What concerns me the most is our apparent willingness to treat our natural resources as expendable. Two rivers was old growth

   2:27:31forest that was cut, burned, and then the other month logged. Okay? Um pretty intense to see that when the entire county is becoming concrete. You know, that that could have been. a an equestrian park or a trail that we actually want. We want that. We don't want this. Um this responsibility it falls on you guys and we're really tr we're really trusting you. Um please please have our public interest in mind and please

   2:28:01don't just simply approve every proposal that crosses your desk because this has gone on way too far and the public is just now really being aware of it. Um there are already fifty hotels throughout Wesley Chapel and Zephyrhills, existing recreation recreational facilities, splash pads, and water attractions at Zephyr Park and Hercules Park. Yet we are being asked to accept hundreds more hotel rooms and a massive water park surf

   2:28:31park, while our roads, schools, emergency services, and most importantly, our natural systems struggle to keep pace with growth already approved. At some point, we must decide whether we are building a community or just simply consuming one. Future generations will never know the Pasco County that existed before these decisions. If we continue approving projects of this magnitude, once the forests are cleared, once the habitats are destroyed, once

   2:29:02the character of these waterways is lost, there is no vote that can bring them back. You have the power to protect something irreplaceable. Stand with the rivers, stand with the wildlife, stand with future generations, and please deny these rezoning amendments. And I do want to bring up Indian Creek, New River, and Hillsborough River for they cannot hire lobbyists. The wetlands cannot stand at this podium. The birds, the fish, The native species that

   2:29:32depend on these ecosystems, they don't have attorneys on their behalf speaking. You know, that's why we're here. And I just also want to point out that When they brought in that fill dirt for two rivers and then Milton came The Zephyrhills flooded, people lost their homes and their lives. There's no number that you can calculate. I don't know what scientists or conservationists you can bring in to tell me about that logic, okay? Um also my water that I drink. It

   2:30:03tastes and smells like toilet water. And I have filter on my sink. Just you know, I go outside and you put all these homes in, I smell raw sewage in the air. Okay. Please, please. We're begging you, the residents want nature, we want our trails, we want to smell fresh air and breathe water. This is just basic needs. Please listen to us. Any questions while I have two

   2:30:33minutes? 'Cause I'm outside a lot. I can answer any questions about in you know, the creeks or the You know, if you if you pull up two rivers and you just zoom out one click Hillsboro, River State Parks below that. You know, in and this county, you guys really should have kept that land. But now that's in two rivers hand, you know, we really need to put 'em in line on what they're doing to this county. Thank you.

   GreyChair

   2:31:00Thank you. Appreciate it.

   Moody

   2:31:02After Mr. Carl Bailey is a Miss Donna Holt.

   Carl Bailey

   2:31:10Good afternoon, gentlemen. My name is Carl Bailey. I live [address removed]. I am sworn in. I'm also a property owner in Pasco County. I'm also vice chairman of the Sierra Club and one of the organizers with Stop Two Rivers. So you can guess how this is going to go. I'm also eleven months out of the military. Probably can't tell that because Marine Corps I cut my hair cut a little shorter. Typically, they issue a beard when you retire. But I I'm not growing one.

   2:31:41So I grew in Maine. Thank you for the opportunity and for the Chairman for your patience with me earlier to participate in the democracy I defended. Thank you guys for giving up your time because I know you don't get paid enough to do this. Thank you for showing up and participating in the democracy so many Americans defend.

   GreyChair

   2:31:59You gonna have to speak in the microphone, we can't record you otherwise.

   Carl Bailey

   2:32:09It would be no fun without you.

   2:32:13I'm asking you either vote no, acknowledging that your job is to vote whether it's consistent or not with the growth plan. I would remind you I know that's a risk. You're looking at the whole growth plan, not just the specific bullets that were cited earlier. So whether this is consistent with the plan as a whole I'm asking, if you can't vote no, at least vote for a delay. And I'll get into some of the reasons why a delay may be prudent for this particular

   2:32:44project. Now a little bit about me. I grew up here, actually Hillsboro County 301, right across the street from Touri's Ranch. My sister actually mucked Stallz and rode on the ranch. We knew the Thomas family well. Moved to Pasco County because thirty years ago Hillsboro County was getting overbuilt, for my taste. After that joined the Marine Corps, you can imagine me coming home twenty-four years later. to Hillsborough County and Pasco County. Completely grown up. When I

   2:33:14left, we had growth. We had good growth. Along 54, we were growing, coffers were flowing here in Pasco County, we were building out some municipal structures, it was good, but that was because the infrastructure was required by law to be in place before we developed. So it all made sense. Coming home, wildlife, the wildlands, the water, they're scarce. The infrastructure, at the risk of offending you, is well behind where

   2:33:44it should be for the amount of development we have going on. I'm going to touch back on that later. So I'm not opposed to growth.

   GreyChair

   2:33:52Don't wait too much later because you got three minutes. That's okay. Make sure you get everything in.

   Carl Bailey

   2:33:58We're talking about a change in the plan. So we are changing the plan and the only reason for that is not to build affordable housing and we have affordable housing prices. Is to build homes for people like me who can afford $700,000 home. And I don't think that's consistent overall with what this county needs. You've So I know justification for why we need to build a hotel, a retail space, and a water park in the middle of the Hillsborough River County f Hillsbow River floodplain. Again, not affordability, we only can see a profit motive for that.

   2:34:28And the county members are going to have to pay for all the human infrastructure we have to put in. All the police we're going to have to hire, all the teachers for the schools, emergency responders, etc. And this is a time we may not have a property tax. So that brings me the first reason to delay. How do we pay for this if on November 3rd they vote the property tax down? Now, talk about the things we can't fix. Wildland wildlife and water, once it's gone, it's gone. Now, the wild ones, the site has undeveloped property. That's our risk

   2:34:59mitigation. If we make a mistake now, how do I fix it? How do we develop growth in the future? The wildlife, it's why we live here. Most of the people in the audience, they'd have pictures of bald eagles in their front yards. That's why we do it. The water, either we have too much or we have too little. And I will respectfully disagree with one of the things said earlier. You can't put water just into a retention pond. It doesn't work. Once Tampa

   2:35:29closes the dam on the Hillsborough River, that water backs up. This is the property it was supposed to back up into. When we had PE eight, that property is where it used to back up. Into. That water will go somewhere. Now that flooding will be displaced, and the people in the audience are going to pay for that with their insurance costs.

   2:35:51Now too little is the other thing, like we have now. Again, looking at this comprehensive, what would happen to our water resources if we had all this extra development in place? That's a lot of straws on the ground, and frankly, with our water problem, it is a strategic lifeboat problem. There will be a limit to growth. We're already overpumping and these developments aren't finished. Lastly, well I do want to talk about because I got a little bit of time, bad taste. Asking for a water park in the middle of a

   2:36:21drought was like my son getting drunk, crashing a car, and then asking me for a new car while the blue lights are still flashing. Frankly, the timing is poor. Again, looking at this holistically, how does this plan fit with Hillsborough County? This project's not bookended. Two rivers wants to develop on the Hillsborough County side. All that traffic going down three oh one, which we call Gall Boulevard, is gonna back up. Now lastly, as a testament to the state of

   2:36:51the infrastructure, the whole family was delayed in getting here because of that bike accident, which may have been a fatality. And they were not here for swearing in. So just request forbearance. If you can swear them in, I know that's out of the ordinary, but I'd like to use the remainder of my time to give them an opportunity to speak. And then for the last nine seconds, for everyone here opposing to Rivers, please stand up.

   2:37:17Thank you.

   GreyChair

   2:37:18Okay, thank you.

   Moody

   2:37:21After Miss Donna Holt is a m Mr. Gabriel Holt.

   GreyChair

   2:37:33You say m miss?

   Moody

   2:37:37Donna Holt is next and then it it's either Gabrielle or Gabrielle.

   Donna Holt

   2:37:43Um I was not sworn in. I was caught in the traffic, so I'm not sure if I can.

   GreyChair

   2:37:47Yes, you can be sworn in, please. Raise your hand. Gabriel.

   Unidentified speaker

   2:37:51Anybody else?

   GreyChair

   2:37:53Yeah.

   2:37:57Stand and raise your right hand and be sworn.

   2:38:02I would just ask that if you're going to come up and speak, please try to speak about something that hasn't already been spoken about.

   Chairman

   2:38:17Okay.

   Donna Holt

   2:38:19Um good a um afternoon, I think, at this point, um Commissioners. I my name is Donna Holt. I live at [address removed]. I am in Plant City, Florida. Um I am here today um to speak regarding this amendment and I'm asking that either you delay it or that you um Turn it. Down. And I don't want to reiterate, I think, some of the things that some of the other people have said, but I think it's very important. One of the questions that I have, I heard uh one of the representatives um indicate

   2:38:49that this plan for these two rivers on the Pasco County side has been in motion basically since 2008. My question is what's changed? What has changed since 2008 that they want to now have this plan amendment change? Has infrastructure changed? Has roads or schools changed? Fire rescue changed? Law enforcement utilities, water resources. We know are we in one of the biggest droughts that we had. And I feel the burden shouldn't rest on the residents. On

   2:39:20this plan, I think that it should uh rep rest on the applicant to demonstrate what the substantial changes have been. I'm concerned about the fiscal responsibility. With ongoing discussions at the state level about eliminating or reducing property taxes, local governments are gonna face uncertainty about the future revenue and how they're gonna pay for schools and fire stations, sheriffs, that type of thing. So my concern also with this change is when this entire plan was developed, they went before Swift

   2:39:50Mud, wetlands were developed, runoffs were developed, retention ponds, detention ponds, all these things were developed in this community based on their original site plan. What has changed? What's going to change? When they make these new changes, what's going to change with this water runoff? That's a concern for me. Obviously, I am south and we are facing, you know, two rivers. Um On the south side, and now we're dealing with two rivers on the north side because that water is gonna flow to us on our side, it's gonna flow down

   2:40:20through Hillsborough County River or Hillsborough River, and that's gonna affect all of Hillsborough County. Like Carl already said, if the dams are closed, it's gonna back up. But what has changed? Has there been new um studies done regarding the stormwater changes based on the new plan that they're requesting for you to approve versus What was proved. Where is this water gonna go? Um, what's gonna happen there? That's a big concern that I have. Uh my husband's a stormwater engineer. We actually flooded Jern Milton. We literally just moved back on our house back

   2:40:51in uh January. And so I feel like one thing that needs to be discussed is this water park. So now we don't no longer have old Florida, we no longer have old Pasco. Now you guys, you're gonna have Hyde Park? Is that what I just heard? So horses and cows are we gonna now be replaced with Hyde Park? How many citizens in New River or two and the two rivers even got a chance to come here today? Because you guys have this meeting at 1:30 in the afternoon when people who have to pay for their houses can't even

   2:41:21come here and have a voice. That's a concern for me. So now welcome to Hyde Park in Zephyrhills, Wesley Chapel. Why do we need another water park? You already have a water park. That's a concern for me. I don't know if that's my time up Oh sorry that's my time. I'm gonna defer.

   GreyChair

   2:41:37Okay, thank you.

   Moody

   2:41:40after Mr. Gabriel Holt is a Miss Janet Stanko. I apologize if I said that wrong.

   GreyChair

   2:41:48I'm sorry, wait a minute. Who was supposed to be next? Gabriel

   Gabriel Holt

   2:41:51Holt.

   Moody

   2:41:51Gabriel Holt.

   Gabriel Holt

   2:41:52That's me. Hello. That's

   GreyChair

   2:41:53you. Okay.

   Gabriel Holt

   2:41:54I'm Gabriel Holt. Uh hello commissioners. Um

   GreyChair

   2:41:58What's your address, Gabriel?

   Gabriel Holt

   2:42:00Oh sorry. Uh I live at [address removed]. I've been sworn in.

   GreyChair

   2:42:05Okay.

   Gabriel Holt

   2:42:07Um

   2:42:10I'm here to voice my concerns about this land use change It's a good one. H been found by your um people that it's consistent, but is it consistent with the Sorry, sorry. Is it consistent with the plan and infrastructure or only the plan?

   2:42:39Sorry. As a youth who've been raised in rural Florida, I am upset with the two Rail Rivers owners because they are going to have a pretty large environmental impact. because this is going to it's hard to say what it hasn't been said 'cause lots of people have spoken. But it's going to use up Lots

   2:43:10and lots more water. Take the thirty five acre water park, for instance. I know it's already been said, but On average, a water park of that size to initially fill can take anywhere from Seventeen to nineteen million gallons of water. Not only do we not have enough water to support the homes, we do not have enough water to support seventeen million gallons

   2:43:40of water being put into a water park. Not to mention the extra two hundred thousand gallons that will probably be used per day to make up for what gets evaporated and splashed out of ponds. I mean the p uh pools.

   2:43:58Sorry. We are already having lots of either water shortages or flooding. As has been said, in Milton where we live, we're not even supposed to flood. But we got a little over an inch of water in our house, as well as our entire yard getting f coated in water. trying to add almost double the amount of w water

   2:44:29straws into the aquifer than they already can is just unthinkable, and it will have Immense I can't talk, sorry.

   2:44:42it will have immense environmental and economic uh impact

   2:44:50And it's just not going to be good for us for long term. Please vote against this. Thank you

   GreyChair

   2:44:58for your time. Okay, thank you.

   Moody

   2:45:02Up next is Miss Janet S. And after that is a Miss Nancy Williams.

   Janet Stanko

   2:45:11Good afternoon. Um my name is Janet Stanko. I live at [address removed]. I'm the chair of Tampa Bay Sierra Club. And the reason why Sierra Club is here today Is Sierra Club is an environmental organization? And The environment, the wildlife, wetlands Uh surface water knows no

   2:45:41boundaries. It can't read the maps that are put up on the display. So we are concerned about the uh the impact on Tampa Bay. Um

   2:46:00The water affects us all. This land is part of the Hillsboro River floodplain and and Tampa Water s Tampa's water supply. The additional proposed intensity will use even more water. In residential areas, fifty percent of the water goes for irrigation. lawns. How much more water, and this is a question, how much more water will this expansion require?

   2:46:30Have more studies been done on the water requirements and where the water will come from and how surrounding areas will be impacted. Have you studied how wetlands and flood paint plains will be affected by the additional pumping? Is there an estimate of additional development related flooding with a plan for managing that water or is the developer just relying on the per uh previous

   2:47:01documentation that was provided?

   2:47:06I will close that it is unconscionable for the applicant to ask for a 35-acre water park in the middle of a drought when municipalities are challenged to provide water for residents. and have had building building moratoriums and we're o over pumping the Peace River. Our first priority is to uh to ask for a d a

   2:47:36denial of this request. In 2008, they've been working on it since 2008 and had an approval. Then they brought in a consultant and needed more density. Now what's to stop them next year for getting an from getting another consultant and adding yet even more density? So we're asking for a denial. But if it's not possible to do that, we ask for continuance to coordinate

   2:48:07with Hillsborough County to assess the impact on the total parcel between the two counties. Thank you.

   GreyChair

   2:48:17Thank you.

   Moody

   2:48:19The last individual I have signed up to speak is Ms. Nancy Williams.

   Nancy Williams

   2:48:27Hi, my name is Nancy Williams. I live at [address removed]. Um I came here, we came here today, my husband and I because we're excited. We wanted to know what was going on. We saw the the signs and thought oh we wanna have all the information because we're retired, we can go back home and tell everyone what's going on. I'm really disappointed that there are so many people who are against what's going on because we're excited. We have lived there,

   2:48:57we understand the community and what the builders are doing. It's a good thing. They are doing a lot of things that are being conservative and being protective of the community. We sit in Arleneye every morning along the preserve and we watch the wildlife. We are living the life of the preserve and the wonderful community that they have been developing. When the hurricane happened two years ago, it was right after we moved in, and we didn't

   2:49:27get flooding, but the preserve was flooded. So they are accommodating for flooding in our areas. They are doing the right things. They're planting Baháia grass in the backyards so that and with no sprinkler systems in the backyards, so that we aren't consuming as much water as the normal home. So I'm feeling that. the developer is doing what they can to do for the the environment at the same time giving us the the homeowners the things that we want in

   2:49:58a new community. We're coming from all over. We didn't we didn't live here before. There aren't a lot of places to buy into that have everything. And this is a community that's gonna have everything. That's why we bought here. So we're happy with what's going on and you need to keep that in mind as well.

   GreyChair

   2:50:17All right, thank you.

   Moody

   2:50:22There are no more individuals signed up uh to speak, Mr. Chairman Mariano.

   GreyChair

   2:50:26All right.

   2:50:29So you can come up, but is there anybody else that wants to speak? Yes that hasn't been sworn.

   Julia Bartunik

   2:50:36Julia Bartunick, [address removed], I have been sworn. And um I'm all for geriatric apartments. Um I may be in one sooner than later, um, but definitely not in this area. Um and we gonna need more geriatric facilities in Pasco County because more more younger people are actually leaving Pasco. County that have grown up here, which is very sad. Um I was at listening

   2:51:07in on one of the county meetings and in a mere uh five or six years we're going to have to be looking at purchasing thirty three million gallons of water daily from Hillsborough County, who may not even sell us that water. Because they may need to uh bolster the levels of the Hillsborough River. So this is definitely something to uh consider because

   2:51:37I don't know who's going to be liable. Um Pasco obviously is going toilet to tap, um as it's called, but who's gonna be liable when those taps go dry in five or six years? Does anyone know? When people go, the average citizen goes to turn on their tap for water, or a fire department goes to put out a fire. Um because we have many fires these days in Florida. Where's the water gonna

   2:52:07come from? It's I'm deeply concerned about that, and thank you for your time and thank you for what you do. I don't know how you do it, but I'm grateful for everybody here, our speakers, and everybody. Thank you. Please, please deny this or continue. Thank you.

   GreyChair

   2:52:23Thank you. So we've heard a lot I just wanna c mention that we've heard a l an awful lot about water. You know, whether it's right or wrong. That's those are things we have to decide, so I would prefer that if you're gonna come up and speak, just speak about a different topic. That's all. Give us something besides water.

   Jasmine Forkin

   2:52:44So I can throw this away. This is Jasmine Forkin. I'm at [address removed]. I moved there from Penelis because it was over overbuilt and now I'm I'm aiming to move someplace else because everything around me is destroyed. Uh as far as water goes, um

   2:53:11I think that they should bring in seawater from the instead of drinking water from the aquifer, if they want this uh elaborate thing to to serve few people who can afford

   2:53:31Well build up. people that do work there live. Okay. Penillas is uh employing people that live in Pasco because it's cheaper. Are we at the point where we have to go elsewhere for a workforce because everything else is so expensive? Mm. Uh also I'm I'm curious to know if I had to pay twenty thousand dollars impact fee for a smallest of the mobile homes in in

   2:54:01Hudson area, how much of impact fee are these people paying? So East Coast is not too far away. They can go surfing in the ocean there. Instead of building a it is an amusement park. I'm sorry. It is something that's created just to amuse people who can afford it. Thank you.

   GreyChair

   2:54:28Thank you.

   2:54:30Okay. Just a minute. One minute, Nancy. Um Were you were you on the list, Nancy?

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   2:54:39No

   GreyChair

   2:54:40Were you on the list? Okay. How many were not on the list that do want to speak? Okay, but you've been sworn, Nancy, right? Yes. Okay. So why don't you come on up? But uh the other ones the two I guess there's two of you. Well that we'll have to swear you're in before you come up.

   Nancy Hazelwood

   2:54:59I'll be short and sweet. Nancy Hayeswood, [address removed], and I won't talk about water much. So I'd really be more impressed if I saw M

   2:55:12I know we saw pictures of the park and the bars and the restaurants, but the architecture and what the grounds are gonna look like and that would be impressive. I you know I've gone to back To these places that they've said, Oh, it's wonderful, and look at all the loveliness we're gonna create. And I've been over underwhelmed. Ninety nine percent of the time. So I've got some questions about

   2:55:42the surf park. Uh, is it gonna be open to the public? Because I know Smarada was open to the public. A lot of people that moved in there didn't realize it was going to be, and they actually had some problems there. When it was open in the uh public because they were also drinking at the same time they were s playing in the water park. Uh So those were the two big problems

   2:56:12that well I have more problems with it, but y'all have already heard 'em. So thank y'all.

   Unidentified speakerVoice L

   2:56:18Nancy.

   Nancy Hazelwood

   2:56:19Oh, one more thing. Um could we do a breakdown of what kind of jobs the Surf Park's gonna um bring, like the high end of the what they're going to make and the low end and how many of these and how many of those? Thank you.

   2:56:40Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:56:41I just wanted to let you know that you won the Planning Commission participation trophy today. Oh stop. So I brought you some beautiful organically grown butternut squashes from my garden.

   2:56:56If you'd like to come up and get them, claim them, they're yours.

   GreyChair

   2:57:00Come on, Nancy.

   Chris Williams

   2:57:07Ha ha ha.

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   2:57:11Wow, he set the bar high. That's

   Chairman

   2:57:13right. Geez. How are we gonna top that one? Organically grown butternut squash?

   GreyChair

   2:57:22What are you giving away, Chris? I don't know. I'm uh I

   Chris Williams

   2:57:25I have some avocados going.

   GreyChair

   2:57:29Okay, we forgot your name and address.

   Unidentified speakerVoice M

   2:57:31Hi. My name's Karen McAldrick. I live at [address removed]. Okay,

   GreyChair

   2:57:36let's get you sworn in, please.

   Unidentified speakerVoice M

   2:57:38I think I already did when she did her second. Oh you did? Okay. Um I've what I've heard we live we live on just A thousand feet from what Two Rivers wants to do in their eight thousand acres. So this is a huge concern for us. Um What I've heard for the past couple hours is a lot of words. A lot of words from salesmen, from suits that want to promise one thing and then they do what they do and then they back out and they're never heard from again. And um I've

   2:58:08had a l heard a lot of promises, what they want to do. Um but there's only so much that they can promise with really no No proof. No No planning, they've they've not planned for traffic, they've not planned for water, they've not planned for the infrastructure. The infrastructure is going to be required from the surrounding community to pay for the fire, the ambulance, the police, the

   2:58:39the roadway improvements. The developers not gonna pay for all that. Um so I guess when I say that all I've heard is a lot of words from them, the word that means the most to me. is impact. What impact is all that they wanna do going to have on all of us? If you live in this area it's going to impact you. The water flows south, the aquifer flows south. And I know that we've talked a lot about water, but that is a huge concern when Milton came through. My

   2:59:10house and I live on four and a half acres, three of it is wetland. That wetland takes that water, soaks it up like a sponge and spreads it around and and sends it on its way. I was trapped on my property. By a foot and a half of water for four days after Milton. Now praise God, my husband built our home, he built it up. So it didn't get in my home, but at one o'clock in the morning when the storm came through it was really close. So now with all of this development, a lot of these homes, every

   2:59:40one of them is gonna have sinks, toilets, maybe some showers or or it's maybe some um pools. The the water park, all of this requires water. We need water. So I'm afraid one of two things is gonna happen. either either we're going to flood and the the roads around me are gonna flood in a normal summer storm like I got an inch and a half yesterday in my in my little area in half an hour. Or And and that's gonna flood.

   3:00:11Or My well's gonna dry. We just had our well rebuilt because it's twenty years old, had to have a new pump put in cost me $2,500. What's gonna happen if my well runs dry and I have to have a new one dug? How many thousands of dollars is that gonna cost me? Are they gonna pay for that? Do I call them and say, Hey, you know what you did? Because when the lady over here talks about How they're gonna mitigate the flooding and her house didn't flood. Well, good for her, because the developer brought in four feet

   3:00:41of ground and raised her house up. But what What that does for the rest of it, the water's gotta go somewhere. So her house isn't gonna flood. My partner.

   3:00:54Please consider the impact. And all that's gonna do because when it comes down to it, we don't need more homes. We don't need more retail

   GreyChair

   3:01:04You know, I'm continuing to be a little confused about the presentation uh about water because on the one hand W somebody comes up and tells me, We're getting flooded. And on the other hand, somebody's coming the other next next one tells me they can't don't have any drinking water. So what is it? Do we have water or do we have flooding? You know, how can you have ha I don't want any t conversation from the I'm talking to this lady right here.

   3:01:35You know, it's you c you can't have it both ways. It's either flooding or it's not flooding. You know. You either have drinking water or you don't.

   Unidentified speakerVoice M

   3:01:43That that's

   GreyChair

   3:01:43you know, I live in the same county. I I face the same issues. You know, I have I've lived on a well most of my life. And I've had to bu buy a pump, a new pump, a new tank. I I even put in new wells. It's just what do you have to do when you live on on a well?

   3:02:02You know, Mr Engel there to buy you a new well anytime yours goes bad. And w where you chose to live is a place that floods. Naturally. Nobody else around there created that flood. And so if the water i comes into your house, is that our fault? Is that my fault? No. You chose to live there. My my people come here every day and l and they want to live. We're not allowed to require them to have a passport. My

   Unidentified speakerVoice M

   3:02:30my property doesn't have

   GreyChair

   3:02:32to find some place for them if we're gonna allow 'em to come in here. If you can develop a way to stop people from coming to Florida Then you know it's a lot easier to deal with it. But because you came here, or and most of the people in the r this room came here. Yeah, there was n there was nobody before you came. Maybe they didn't want you here. Maybe they didn't want me here. I've been here I know I've been here longer than most people in this room. And I I've and my family's

   3:03:02been here longer than most people in this room. My father was the first child born in New Port Richey, so I know how long I've been here. And we we all have these these problems that we have to deal with with people coming to Florida because f everybody loves Florida. They either love Florida or Texas or That's where people are going these days. What are you supposed to do? I I if you own property And you want to sell your property? Why should

   3:03:32your neighbor decide who you're gonna sell it to?

   3:03:37You're the one that has the investment. What I'm saying is what I'm trying to tell you is there's two sides to every coin.

   3:03:46So you can't just come up here and make statements about water and transportation and things when you don't really have any facts. It's just what you feel. Every day I get on this road too. You know how long it takes me to get from here to New Port Richey? A long time. You know how much I get paid to do this? Nothing. You know, somebody brought up the uh idea that we you know, why do we have these meetings at one o'clock? Well it's my work day too. I have a business, but I choose to volunteer

   3:04:17my time to be here to try to solve these problems. You know, I can have people that get leave these leave these meetings mad at me.

   3:04:27They they think I'm getting rich off of it. Yeah, it's the uh

   Unidentified speakerVoice N

   3:04:31uh.

   GreyChair

   3:04:32You gotta be opa a little bit open-minded about it. Other people, there's a lot of people in this room that don't want this, but there's a lot of people that aren't in this room that do want it. So we have to consider both.

   3:04:46And I just want you to understand it because I ask you, don't keep bringing up water unless you have some real technical knowledge that we need to hear. But yet everybody keeps coming up and talking about water. We've you know, I'm trying to tell you that if you come up here again and talk about water, I'm I'm not gonna let you talk about it. I've had enough about water. Unless you have some technical knowledge about water. So thank you.

   3:05:17Who's next?

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   3:05:22No, to you. Come on.

   Cindy Buckle

   3:05:37Buckle, [address removed], quarter mile of Hulk County Line. I'm gonna talk about water. 'Cause I have a degree in hydraulics. You

   GreyChair

   3:05:53better have some serious information about it. That's all I'm telling you.

   Cindy Buckle

   3:05:55Oh oh I do. All right. I do. I do. Um there's a floor statute that states that The local and state governments are required to provide people with potable drinking water.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:06:12Which statute number is that?

   Cindy Buckle

   3:06:14I don't have it in front of me, but I can certainly send it to the right-of-way. Well then

   GreyChair

   3:06:17why are you talking about it?

   Cindy Buckle

   3:06:19I can send it to you.

   GreyChair

   3:06:22Give me something we can put our teeth into.

   Cindy Buckle

   3:06:25Okay. All right, well let's go here then. Okay. I have run out of water. In my shower. I've had two wells dug on my property. The first well dried up. Okay. The second wall is as far back in the woods They wanted to cut trees down and I would not allow them. They had to figure out a way to get their rig in there. to pump

   3:06:55another well. This well produced Rusty sediment-filled water. Okay. I do know the aquifer is at least twenty feet below what it should be. I do measure springs throughout the state of Florida and Georgia. And Every one of them are getting lower and lower. Governor Brian Kemp and I are currently

   3:07:26corresponding. regarding how Georgia's waters being affected by the thirty-three million gallon Lagoons being built. Now a water park being built. Okay, now let me give you some facts about water parks.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:07:44Did I stop you for a second? Make sure she gets to keep her clean. Yep, she can stop the clock. How are the lagoons in Pasco County affecting the water in Georgia?

   3:07:59Florida was suing Georgia for water problems.

   Cindy Buckle

   3:08:03Well

   GreyChair

   3:08:03That's exactly right.

   Cindy Buckle

   3:08:07Let me just say this. There are a lot of lawsuits going on right now. Well

   GreyChair

   3:08:12get it right. That's only that's our only point. Don't come up here and make a statement that you can't verify.

   Cindy Buckle

   3:08:20If you'd give me more time than three minutes.

   GreyChair

   3:08:23No, I'm not.

   Cindy Buckle

   3:08:24No, of course you're not.

   GreyChair

   3:08:25You're not bringing any facts here.

   Cindy Buckle

   3:08:27You all don't want to know the truth.

   GreyChair

   3:08:29Oh yeah, we're up here conspiring. I

   Cindy Buckle

   3:08:31conspiring.

   3:08:36Okay? My father was not a my grandfather, my great grandfather were not people With a lot of money. They were farmers.

   GreyChair

   3:08:47Hey, none of us had a lot of money.

   Cindy Buckle

   3:08:50Yeah. We'll see. What

   GreyChair

   3:08:52does that have to do with it?

   Cindy Buckle

   3:08:53What does that mean? That's my research. Anyway. Just for people out there that know that Um

   3:09:05900 million gallons a day go to the new developments who are watering the new landscaping that is going in. I know this because I live on a road where I see puddles every day and think, oh my god, it rained. Well no, it's not rain. It's their sprinklers running into the road.

   3:09:31The trees that they've already had to remove and replace. So the bottom line here is there is really no reason to add an adventure island to Pasco County. You're going to add traffic to two-lane roadways that DOT is not even to look at.

   GreyChair

   3:09:52Time's up.

   Cindy Buckle

   3:09:53And I will get you your information.

   GreyChair

   3:09:56Okay, just make sure you can't. Verify it.

   3:10:03Is that even what he had?

   3:10:06Anybody else that wants to speak?

   3:10:11Okay.

   3:10:16Hope you made a lot of notes.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:10:18Uh I did I did. Mr. Chairman. Before I I start responding to some of the general stuff, I do have Joe Semeno, uh our one of our project engineers with water resources associates, and he can answer a lot of these questions if you'd like to get into them. There clearly there are a lot of just generalizations. Okay. Joe if you would come up and and try to weaken Uh provide answers on the amount of water that the surf park will use. Obviously, when it comes to flooding and things of this

   3:10:48nature. We have to follow all of the same stormwater rules that everybody follows at the county and with Swift Mode. One thing I I think it's important for our neighbors to know and it may be that they don't know this, uh the This whole project uses reclaimed water. So a lot of the large landscaping areas and and water usage that you normally worry about with potable water, we're on a reclaimed system here. So that's not the same as using potable water.

   GreyChair

   3:11:18That's the way they do those ponds, is that right? Circulate the water and reuse it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   3:11:23Right. Different than different than reuse water though.

   Joe

   3:11:26Good afternoon. Good afternoon, everyone. Uh Joe Simeneau with Water Resource Associates, 12363, Hampton Park Boulevard, Tampa, Florida, 33624. Um I gotta say it, I don't know if you guys were thinking this. Hats off to Gabriel, he came up with the math. Um I would have never been able to get up here when I was that age and do this. So that was that was pretty amazing. His map wasn't too far off, but it was on a 35-acre lagoon. And that's understandable because the bullet points up there all say 35-acre

   3:11:57surface. Park. This is a six-acre lagoon. It's smaller than Murata, it's smaller than Ipperson. And that's what we're dealing with here. So it's not a 35-acre lagoon, and hopefully that eases some concerns. What we want to get into here is some of the math. That's what you've asked for. And what I'm going to speak today is specifically the Southwest Florida Water Management District water use permitting that we need to do to withdraw water from the ground to fill and operate the surf park. I'm going to

   3:12:27throw out a number. It's a recirculating system, and I'm going to throw out a number of 8,000 gallons per day. I'm going to compare that to some things for context, and then I'm going to get into what makes up that 8,000 gallons per day. We've heard a lot about golf courses, mostly because we've heard a lot about AI data parks, and they've been compared to golf courses. But we've got some very solid numbers we've all been working with, about 300,000 gallons per day on a golf course, a medium data center,

   3:12:58or a small data center. Once you get into the larger data centers, 500,000 gallons per day, up to a million gallons per day. So the way that compares to 800,000 gallons per day is it's 37 times less than a typical Florida golf course, 37 times less than a mid-sized data center, 65 times less uh than a hundred megawatt data center, and a hundred times less than some of the large AI campuses that we've all been hearing about. If we compare that to common

   3:13:28everyday uses. That equates that 8,000 gallons equates to approximately 37 single-family homes, 46 multifamily homes, and a little more than 50,000 square feet of commercial office building. Surf Lagoon serves about a thousand people, based on the projections, golf per year. I'm sorry, per day. Golf course, 100 to 250. Residential, 100, 100, 100 homes, 138 homes. So what we're basically looking at is something that's 37

   3:13:58times less than some of those uses. Um

   3:14:03a hundred times less than some of the big scary AI data center uses, and it serves almost 10 times as many people as some of those uses. So let's get into that 8,000 gallons per day. We've got Mara, we've got Epperson, we've got Lake Hideaway that's to the north in Hernando, we've got South Shore to the south in Hillsboro. This is not a new thing. These new lagoons were a different conversation 10 years ago. Now they are a known quantity. The Water Management District permitting requires extensive research, reporting,

   3:14:34um, and analysis to come up with what these uses are going to require to operate and replenish every day. What we're coming up with, and it's based on So known numbers, known evaporation, known rainfall, Swift Mun numbers for that. Spill out, splash out, talking about a quarter of a gallon per person. So it's it's not extensive. And what we're coming up with is about 1,300 gallons per day per acre on all those other permits. That's what's coming out. So if

   3:15:05you take the Lake Hideaway, 3.5 acres, Maraudha, 16 acres, Epperson eight acres, South Shore, five acres, the operational quantities that Swift Mud is is vetting through lots of data and issuing permits based on is about 1,300 gallons per day per acre. That's where we're extrapolating our six acres to around eight. Gallons per day. As we all know, rainfall throughout the year basically offsets evaporation, not in the peak times, but

   3:15:35on average throughout the year. And then again, minor losses through treatment systems, splash out, and leakage, which is more of a problem up in Hernando when we're many, many, many feet above the water table, where here everything's pretty much going to be equalized with the water table.

   3:15:50So just to summarize all that, golf courses and data centers are significant users compared to anything like this, by probably three dozen times. For for um small data centers and golf courses, large data centers, we're talking a hundred times less or a hundred times more. Surfpark's gonna serve about 10 times more the amount of people is that. And then again, the surf park water use, it's it's one of the lowest water demands among public recreation

   3:16:21water use when you look at these things like golf courses. Um that's the math, that's the data on the uh the daily operational usage. The filling, because I know that's come up. Again, a 35-acre lagoon would be gargantuan. What we're talking about is a six-acre lagoon, it's eight million gallons. That sounds like a big number. You could say it like eight million gallons, because it sounds like a big number. To put that into context, if you take the

   3:16:51surf park area and just the portions of the MPUD. that are around it. The the commercial, the multifamily, the outparcels along 56, everything that's directly around it, that's about 120 acres. Eight million gallons pulled from the ground for that initial fill. Is two and a half inches over that 120 acres. And it's not instantaneously evaporated from the groundwater system. Part of the permit, half of the analysis is

   3:17:22how many gallons a day can we use to fill it up so that we have zero impact on anything outside our property boundaries. So that two and a half inches of the groundwater table over that just the nearest area around it. Yeah. It gets done over a three-week period, two week, three-week. It all depends on what the data says. So the Water Management District polices this. They've now got four under their belt, and every single one of them I can tell you, going through the data, the reporting was the first

   3:17:52one, the second one, the third one, and now they're like PhD thesis. It's impressive how what once was new is now a known quantity. quantity and uh you don't just get to turn on the faucet and fill it whenever you want, however fast you want. That's even regulated too. Two and a half inches over that area.

   GreyChair

   3:18:09I appreciate that. That's a very uh offers some clarification to me, and I'm sure it

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:18:15does

   GreyChair

   3:18:15to

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:18:15the rest

   GreyChair

   3:18:15of the group here.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:18:18Mr. Chairman, I just want to say one more thing and then you know if there are questions we could answer them. But the the question was posed by one of the the the neighbors, one of the speakers I should say, you know, what has changed since 2008? What did we do? How you know why are we doing this? Well, what happened was since 2008 the county did a countywide study Yeah. and adopted an urban service area. The county also adopted around

   3:18:49that same time. rural areas that were worthy of protection and are not intended to have more intense or higher density areas. This is in the urban service area. The County also adopted the South Market area with the specific intensification and densification goals I mentioned earlier. The County then approved the Plan, Development, and MPUD for this project. The developer then at its cost built all of the water, sewer,

   3:19:19and reclaim services, the master lines down fifty six that served the whole project, as well as the on site facilities. The county and the developer then were the driving force to get State Road fifty six extension built. It did not exist but for this project. We built, and I'm still very proud of it to this day, and maybe this and Angeline may be the things I'm the most proud of in my career. We built a 6.13

   3:19:50mile four-lane road and ahead of development. We did it for this project. This was the main reason we did it working together. We also went out and built at this point we built or in the process of building all of the vision roads in the project for no fee credits. If this project was in V O P H or Connected City, we would be entitled to millions and millions of fee credits. And we also dedicated right-of-way for 56 Morris

   3:20:20Bridge Road and 301. Most of which for zero compensation. That would not be the case in certain other areas of the county. So what have we been doing for since 2008? We've been planning to get just to this point. And the county's goal is for us to build this project out as well as we can. We're gonna have a full strata of uh working class people in some multifamily projects on down to people living in million dollar homes in here and that's what the county wants

   3:20:50and furthermore the because the facilities are already in place The the Higher end the more higher end homes and the more commercial we can build in here, it ignores to the county's financial interest, especially if this real estate proposal passes in the fall, because we're going to be in the high-end strata and it will be much, much better for the county than having an entry-level project. So that's what we've been

   3:21:21doing the last eighteen years, planning to get to this point.

   GreyChair

   3:21:26Okay. Uh

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:21:27so Clark, I

   3:21:28have

   3:21:28a question. Um I actually thought Miss Hazelwood made the best comment of all. She deserves that award you gave. She didn't talk about water. Um Thank you. Thank you. Um How do we what's the guarantee that we're not gonna be underwhelmed by the circle? Um 'cause I mean 'cause I'm looking at the conditions here and it doesn't really have a lot of details about this surf park. It's very general. All it says is really that it won't be a lagoon.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:21:59I can have Tony coming up.

   3:22:05Yeah, it's it's it's a difficult thing to do. We haven't done that in our other MPUDs that had the other similar or not shouldn't similar that had lagoons and stuff like that. You and I tried to create a condition to memorialize what this is that's intended to be regional in nature. All I can tell you is Tony's here.

   3:22:28We are, you know, we have a contract with Tony for him to build the park as it's proposed on these boards. We have no other plans. There is no backup plan. If Tony does not build that, we will not have a surf park there. Um Yeah, he can explain in this great a detail. He has investors, he has a business plan. They've been patiently waiting. One of the things I should say also, some of the neighbors and we go through this water stuff and drought and too much water in these periods. We filed

   3:22:58this amendment over two years ago and I'm really sorry that it came up during a drought period. But it did, but I thought it was gonna be, you know, maybe a year less time, but the county's very busy, is all I can say. Would you like Tony to speak to the Surf park, David? I mean I I don't think

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:23:17describe it. The reason I think Ms Hazelwood made a good comment is because I made a very similar comment when I was reviewing this. It's easy to give a lot of words but without the language that sort of guarantees we're gonna get what he's saying verbally I'll I mean I'm looking at condition forty one N, it doesn't necessarily require anything other than A big Hole in the ground but it's a surf park and it doesn't require all

   3:23:47the stuff that he's saying verbally. Right. And so

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:23:50I mean I'm happy to work with you after planning commission if there's additional verbiage for I thought everybody was happy on staff about it. I I was

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:23:59never happy with this language and I made that very clear to staff.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:24:01Okay. Well I did not know

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:24:03and Miss Hazelwood, that's why I thought she made a very good point because It I support the Surf Park and I support what he's saying verbally.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:24:11Right.

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:24:12But the language that's written here doesn't necessarily require what he's saying verbally.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:24:18Okay.

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:24:19All it requires is a A big lake that isn't a lagoon.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:24:24I I am I'm I am happy to work with you to try to come up with more language to identify what it is that Tony intends to build. I mean it's intended to be a tourist destination that has a a mixture of uses that can include hotels and all the other things, and I'm happy to flesh that out more in writing. I didn't realize that that you weren't satisfied. So

   GreyChair

   3:24:47It might be it might be b good for the benefit of people that are here to let Tony speak.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:24:54You know, this has to go to the state, so we have like like two and a half months to do this.

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:25:00Yeah, I all I'm saying is that if if we're gonna be giving up some nice in office industrial land and you know, it's this gonna be this great tourism draw, I agree with Ms. Hazelwood that Let's get this if it's gonna be this great attraction, let's get what we're being promised.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:25:19We have no objection to that. That's that's our intention as well.

   3:25:27Is

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:25:27this the standard six year M P U D

   3:25:32Build out time frame.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:25:34Uh um can you speak up in the mic? I'm not sorry.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:25:36I said is this the standard six year MPUD time frame we have a

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:25:41different build out period.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:25:42What's the time frame?

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:25:45Twenty thirty five, they're saying.

   3:25:49I should I should also say just for the benefit of of our neighbors, we we did take uh some of the mobility fees and their program for improvements to Morris Bridge Road. So it's basically everything from 54 south to almost to the county line will be four-lane between what this developer's doing or the what we call the impound fund is for the County to four lane the section fifty fifty-six up to Chansey. More down.

   GreyChair

   3:26:19I think it's is it fair to say 'cause I think one of the one of the c concerns that w I can't remember your name, the man in the blue shirt back there. Um I think it was him that said about the uh roads, that was the thing he was most concerned about, the roadways and the and the imp those types of improvements. And all that comes with impact fee. And um Without you might want to touch on that because I think a lot of people don't know that Without

   3:26:50impact fee, the county has no money to make those kind of improvements. So we're sort of behind the eight ball.

   3:26:58Well so the

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:26:59county the the county funds its roadway improvements through a system of several different four uh uh sources, one of the larger of which is mobility fees. And as mentioned from this project, it's estimated that it will generate around fifty million dollars in mobility fees, and of that about nine million are programmed to go in improvements for Morris Bridge Road. Be up to the county to determine where the remainder of those funds go. They could be for parallel roads, it could be for other improvements

   3:27:29in the area that alleviate some of the 301 effects that we see today. I will say the I bel the last time I looked at our plan, the uh 301 segment between 56 and Chansey, I think is number two on our priority. list and that's something that the DOT reps you know sit on our MPO board and and work on that stuff together. I'll also say because I'm told by Steve Henry that their conversations ongoing with DOT that We are looking

   3:28:00at a series of interim improvements for the intersection of 56 and 301 right now, and that may include four laning segments going north. Sooner than the the DOT timeline. We're just something we're working on right now. There, but there not isn't anything in writing. And I I believe it's the county staff's position that you know 301, and I don't want to speak for county staff, but it's you know a DOT road, and the county is expecting that DOT

   3:28:30funds would be used for the improvements on 301. We would expect to work together to the MPO process, but generally that would be a state DOT funded project. Yeah, Mr. Goldstein can correct me if I'm saying that wrong.

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:28:44No, I think that's right.

   GreyChair

   3:28:46Did you wanna hear from the Nate?

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:28:49Can we hear

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:28:49yes.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:28:50Can we

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:28:50hear from the Well I'm okay if we want to hear from him. I'm more concerned about the wording than I was. Well that's what

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:28:55I'm wanting to, David. I just want to make sure the public has an option. Can he have his developer come up here And specifically describe what makes a surf park versus a Marata or Eberson look good. Absolutely. What what it is.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   3:29:15Daddy. So, a couple things around the surf park that's very different than what you're gonna see with the lagoons. Lagoons are very passive. There was a lot of problems with, I believe, how they got funded through people that lived there. They they were using HOA fees. This is, and then they let the general public in. This is something that is not that in any way. Um, we are privately funding this. We're not actually

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:29:41That's not what I'm getting to. Okay. What what makes a surf park a surf park? You've got a machine that generates waves, you got so many linear feet of beach, the waves are gonna be so high, I'm gonna have X many square feet of concession stands and hotel rooms, or what it what is this?

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   3:29:56Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   3:29:57So uh all of that. Um so the in terms of the surfing, we are able to get about About a hundred surfers an hour through, and they're all gonna catch ten waves. These are legitimate ocean quality waves. I think that this is gonna be most impactful for people that have never surfed before, that would be afraid to go out in the ocean. Ocean surfing is very difficult. People think that they can just go out into the ocean and go surfing. A lot of people are afraid of sharks, it's intimidating. There's a whole host of reasons why

   3:30:27it's difficult. Difficult. This allows for people to come in and do beginner waves, intermediate waves. You're gonna see a lot of kids participating in this. They're gonna start off. You're gonna have high school surf teams, you will have youth sports, so you have club surf, just like you have club softball, club soccer. So we will make surfing democratized to a whole host of people that will be coming in. Surfing is different than going to adventure. Island. Somebody said Adventure Island. That's a thrill. And nobody does a thrill that often. This

   3:30:57is a skill. A skill is something people come back for and they want to do over and over again. So it's vastly different than just at a water park. It's not that at all. And it's certainly not a large lagoon that's essentially a large pool, uh, like what you've seen with the other lagoons. Around that, it allows you an opportunity to now create a much bigger. Guest experience for the people that are there. You can create uh a whole food and beverage scene, as I mentioned before. You can create other activities that people can do, concerts, uh, things for them to dwell and stay, extend

   3:31:27that time. I've got a hospitality background. So everything that we're going to do in here is about the guest experience. It's from the beginning to the end. And I've been working on this project for five years. It's going to be another two to three before we have this thing. Built. There's been a lot of time effort going into this. So what you're seeing there is our best version of this, and we are tied in with the developer. They don't get some of the things that they want unless we get the surf park built. So there's no guarantees in life, but we're trying to make sure that what you're looking

   3:31:58for is what you're going to get. What we're telling you is what we're going to provide. Again, I am not not one of the developers that has done the lagoons. This is, I am somebody who's got a vision to be a long-term operator of this, and I'm gonna put that together in a way where it's gonna be successful. So I can get into I can go down a lot of rabbit holes in terms of the surf park. I don't think everybody in here wants me to do that. I can tell you though the 510 jobs that somebody asked before what kind of jobs we're gonna have. We're gonna have

   3:32:28engineering jobs, we're gonna have marketing jobs, we're gonna have finance jobs. have HR jobs. We're gonna have hospitality jobs. There's not a single person in my pro forma that's making less than or not a person making minimum wage. They're all making something above minimum wage. This is a long-term uh project that I've got in mind that's gonna be long term sustainable. I want my people that are gonna be there all along that spectrum to be making a very good wage. I want them to have housing close by, apartments and other things so that they

   3:32:58can live close by and that's also part of the appeal of the whole two rivers development and some of

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:33:02the additional use. How long will it take you to develop a planned submittal to be able to submit construction plans. For site plans and building permit approvals to the county.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   3:33:15We've been working on that right now, uh, all the way through. A lot of that is working with Eisenhower Property Group. They're doing a lot of the horizontal work that's you know tied into what we're doing. We've been talking through drainage, we've been talking through uh utilities, we've been talking about all that horizontal work. To answer your question, I mean it's it's a little bit speculative right now because every time I think That we are at a certain place, there becomes another thing that we have to address. Um, I thought we were gonna have entitlements. Delivered a long time ago. So

   3:33:45we're part of a much bigger package.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:33:46Let me tell you where I'm trying to go with it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   3:33:48Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:33:48All right. What I'm looking at is I would like to know how long it will take For you to put it in the right-of-way. Construction plans in place, ready to submit. I know they may not be approved that day, but ready to submit.

   3:34:08And where I'm headed with this, David, is And why I asked about the build out time for the M PUD. Usually when an MPUD expires, well, you expire with no entitlement. You've lost that entitlement. And um what I'm looking at is can we have some kind of condition where if this isn't built within a certain amount of time that meets a certain standard? that that reverts back to the commercial and industrial entitlement that it was before.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:34:34I if I might, I I I think I heard him start to make a list of the things that it would include and I think that's the first thing that we ought to try to get at. I think that's what you asked.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:34:51That's all I got.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:34:51I'll j I'll just go I'll I'll go from from where I'm I'm going here and we can work off of this. And he's gotta tell me whether he can do that. these things. This is not scripted here. What I'm hearing is that a privately funded and and maybe this is the wrong term, but a privately funded tourist attraction, surfing base tourist attraction. that would include a lagoon with a machine that generates waves that's designed to uh

   3:35:22serve up to one hundred surfers per hour and would include a beach. And will include a venue for outdoor music or festivals and may include hotels. That's what I've I've heard him say so far.

   GreyChair

   3:35:39I

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:35:39appreciate

   3:35:39that.

   3:35:40That's open to the

   GreyChair

   3:35:41open to the public.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:35:42It would be Yeah, it's open to the public.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   3:35:52That's currently what we're looking to do. We have about uh twelve thousand square feet of of retail plan for the thing. We've got an additional um about ten to fifteen thousand square feet for uh food and beverage. Um we've got a one acre festival field planned for this. Um we've got going through My memory here. Um, we've got the surf leave and obviously give you some uh information about that. Um, we've got a one-acre um

   3:36:22uh action sports park uh built into the plan. These are all things that I've put into and are in uh the current document. Documentation.

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   3:36:30I would think developing a I think

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:36:32I think what we're worried about is you know, a lot of this stuff's probably gonna get built in phases and I don't wanna get so ingrained in it that if we don't build one thing, you know, he's somehow running a foul of the intent of it. But I I I do agree That we should have a better definition of it and work off.

   3:36:51This is yeah, this is yeah, that's right. But if you if Planning Commission would permit me, I'd rather work with staff to try to create the kind of condition that we're we're going to do now that I understand what you're looking for.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:37:03Is d David is Would it be appropriate and I know you it's sort of the oxymoron, but some sort of binding concept plan for a

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:37:16surf park? I mean That would that would also address the concern. I just don't know if they've they're they've gotten far enough along to do that. I mean 'Cause that's a good thing.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:37:25We could just show that as the concept plan that's intended to be reflected in that concept plan. But I'd also rather put some words in there to make it clear that he doesn't have to build absolutely everything on there and he doesn't have to build it all at once.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:37:39Well we understand. But we want to have some That's why I said the terms an oxymoron, a binding concept plan. We've had that debate in here before. But

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:37:46I'm not sure any binding concept plan requires them to build everything on the plan. But it just says if you build, you're gonna build in accordance with this point. Yeah,

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:37:53I d I I don't view this as yeah, in in any event I would work with staff on the on that condition. And again, I'm hearing more today about the level of detail than I was even aware going into the hearing. So I'm happy to flesh this out with Tony on it. And and to your point, Mr. Moody, I think I if and I don't know what the private arrangement is and the timelines of when he's gotta build with Eisenhower, but if you're saying that, you know, by the expiration of the current MPUD, if he doesn't build that, you know, or

   3:38:23build some portion of it, whatever we flesh this out to be. it could go back to the other uses and should go back to the other uses. I don't think we'd have an objection to that as to the surf park area.

   Chairman

   3:38:35Good.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:38:35I'd have to I need to double check with Eisenhower, but I mean we're trying to get this done because we feel like the surf parks for the betterment of the area and our project as a whole.

   GreyChair

   3:38:45I just um My concern is you've been working on this on and off for eighteen years. You know, and it's evidently the neighbors don't have a good idea what's going on there. I just think we need to g do better I I better Make a better effort to communicate with them. So because there's a lot of misinformation flying around and that just makes our job harder.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:39:09Yeah, c completely understood. Uh you

   GreyChair

   3:39:12know, they think there's gonna be a big lagoon, thirty-five acre lagoon, and we're talking about an eight thousand square eight thousand uh square foot pool or six acre pool. You know, that's

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:39:24I I will I will hit on that in this condition and make it more definitive and again my apologies that we weren't sp more specific on it. I just It just

   GreyChair

   3:39:33creates problems that we don't need.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:39:35It's a it's it's a new thing, so it's kinda hard for David and I uh to describe some of the stuff. But we will do that.

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:39:42Well I mean the other thing, Clark, as you mentioned about the existing conditions related to what you have to do regarding the headwaters of the Hillsborough River and protecting them, I mean that's information that if maybe if you actually publicize what you have to do already, that would be helpful for these residents to know. Right.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:40:04Fair enough. I mean and and and again, some of the folks who are here today I think are of more of a regional nature than a neighborhood nature, but that doesn't mean that they have invalid concerns about the river and stuff like that. It's incredibly important to our region. We're in a drought and everybody's understandably worried about these things. I'm not trying to minimize it. I just know that I I you know, having watched my dad be one of the people that got Tampa Bay Water created, we have a robust system here with alternative sources and Tampa Bay Water reintegrated

   3:40:35again about a month ago. There is no water shortage within the Tampa Bay water system. They're constantly adding, adapting things. And we have room to grow. Uh

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:40:45I hear I hear ya. I hear you. But it's hard to tell the public there's no water shortage. when a restaurant cannot legally serve a glass of water unless it is specifically requested for. Okay. Again, I don't know what moron, and I will publicly say that moron. Came up with that policy. All you do is scare the public.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:41:08That's right.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:41:09That's foolish.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:41:10I agree.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:41:10Okay? And I've been through periods of flood and I've been through periods of drought and I'm praying to God that when El Nino delivers its thing this winter that this drought is going to be history. But

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:41:26The public's dealing with it on a day to day

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:41:27basis. The public is told they can't water their yard. The public is told if you're if you're a restaurant owner you can't serve water. Well how can they not be concerned about water?

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:41:37And again and

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:41:37I

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:41:37don't blame 'em.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:41:39Uh if you're if you like me and you live over on the coast and you live west of the Sun Coast Parkway. We're in a worse drought than you've ever seen. My my property looks like a sand lot. Right. There's nothing living there because we've had zilt zilt for rain. Right. What what else do you expect these people to think?

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   3:41:58Again, I I I I I'm not giving short drift to their concerns. I understand. Thank you. Okay. We appreciate it.

   GreyChair

   3:42:06Thank you.

   3:42:10Right.

   3:42:15I think we've heard a lot of testimony today. Do we have a Motion.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:42:23I'll make a motion to approve for process.

   3:42:33That That between now and the time this gets to the board. that the legal counsel and developers will work with our future, very future almost county attorney to um better describe in the conditions of approval and attach some sort of binding concept plan that gives an accurate picture and description

   3:43:03of the surf park we're being sold here today.

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   3:43:08John, I'll second that but I'll also I I I just wanna remind people that we're here that we're here speaking I think you heard Clark hit on it a little bit that's a little bit more. I think I heard somebody get up and say. How can all this be done without a plan? Um There's been a whole lot of planning that's gone on, even talking about the the modifications and the increases in the entitlements they're here to ask for today. None of this is ever done willy nilly. I mean I think Clark's probably been two years they've been working on this at least, this this modification. They probably have way

   3:43:38more than that in in work with Joe Joe Hit on how long it takes to get through the surf park stuff. I mean th there's been planning done to get to this point and there will be a whole lot more planning and a whole lot more eyes on this stuff moving forward. Nothing's gonna just pop up and uh obviously cause problems and

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:43:54yes Jamie given further

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   3:43:55thought.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:43:55That's something that I don't think the public understands. This hearing is only to discuss whether we're going to give them the right to up make an application to actually build this. Okay? They still have to get Plan approvals, detailed engineered plan approvals. From our local government, from our state government, and if it involves waters of the United States, from the federal government. And then the other thing I want to talk about

   3:44:26too is You come in here. And you tell us about needing to be consistent or that this is not consistent with the comprehensive plan. Yet not one person Cited one comprehensive plan policy that this development is inconsistent with. You gotta do your homework if you wanna come here because I wanna read something to you. All right. In our Comprehensive plan.

   3:44:57These are the quasi-judicial application standards of review. Right. Recommends approval. At this point, the burden shifts to the governmental board to demonstrate that maintaining the existing zoning classification with respect to the property or denial of the quasi-judicial application accomplishes a legitimate public purpose. In effect, the landowner's traditional remedies will be subsumed within this rule, and the Board of County Commissioners

   3:45:28will now have the burden of showing that the refusal. To rezone the property or the denial of the application is not arbitrary, discriminatory, or unreasonable. You have to come up here and cite policies in this comprehensive plan. that show this is not consistent. Otherwise I'm being arbitrary, discriminatory, or unreasonable. You gotta do a little bit more homework. It's easy to grandstand in front of the TV cameras. And I gotta tell

   3:45:58you, if you got plans running for office, you're gonna be really surprised when you get up to Tallahassee and understand that the Florida statutes are volumes and volumes and volumes thick, and the Florida Administrative Code is something you'll probably never be able to read in the entirety of your life.

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:46:18Also you need to be careful when you talk about amendment three because kind of project like this 'cause almost every use that they're adding under this M P D amendment. It could not be homesteaded. So be careful when you'd be talking about the the impact of amendment three for this particular amendment.

   3:46:41You a l a couple of you got up and said you talked about how the impact of amendment three uh in relation to this project, but amendment three is gonna be giving a large tax exemption for homesteaded property. Almost every use that they're adding with this amendment would not be subject to homestead. It's mostly Um multifamily and retail and hotel and Surf park, none of that is homestead exempt. So

   3:47:12you gotta be careful when you start talking about the impact of Amendment three on these kind of uses.

   Chris Williams

   3:47:20In a in addition on the entitlements as far as re residential, someone made the comment about that being greatly increased here. I pulled up a letter from two rivers from twenty fourteen. And back in twenty fourteen the entitlements were thirty-eight seventy-five dwelling units for single family residential. 1400 multifamily and 1125 age restricted. So essentially the same Same

   3:47:51in residential entitlements that we're talking about right here.

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:47:55Yeah, in fact one of the uses that that they're reducing, um I think a single family Retirement

   Chris Williams

   3:48:04age

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:48:05restricted single family is would be homestead exempt. Yes. So it may actually be a a positive what they're doing as it relates to amendment three. This actually may be generating more tax revenue. Then the prior proposal.

   Chris Williams

   3:48:22So back to Jamie's, um, you know, this has been in the works for a long time. The school system's been planning on this for a long time. And we have at least the school system has a plan in place to uh accommodate that.

   GreyChair

   3:48:41All right. Uh we have a motion, I think. Right? Yep. In a second. Any further discussion of the motion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, like sign. Okay. Um could you just for the s sake of everybody could we just work? Could we rest

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   3:49:04Oh yeah, we need to do them one

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:49:05at a time or something. Sorry. So I I think my motion the motion with the amendment I made to it was more specific to the MPUD. Yes.

   GirardiVice Chair

   3:49:16That's right. So that's number

   GreyChair

   3:49:18one

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:49:19So that would be Mr. Chair, can we call that one the vote on P fourteen? But I guess I can't vote on P fourteen before voting on P thirteen. Yes. Why don't you start over? I move to approve item P thirteen.

   3:49:36Second. All right.

   GreyChair

   3:49:40I'll uh we have a motion and a second. Any other discussion? All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, like signed.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   3:49:49Now I move to approve item P14. Subject to the developer and his legal counsel. Coordinating with the County Attorney's Office to draft prior to the Hearing before the board to draft Conditions of approval which better describe the surf park and include some sort of binding concept

   3:50:19plan.

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   3:50:20Second.

5. 5Jul 14, 2026
   Board of County CommissionersP94Public hearingApproved

   Approved minutes

   Approved Staff’s recommendation with Commissioner Weightman absent from the vote.

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   Starkey

   2:41:08P94 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times April 22nd, 2026, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

   MarianoChair

   2:41:19Well that's Jeff.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   2:41:29Good afternoon, board Robert Irving, Planning Development and Economic Growth. This is item P94, it's a comprehensive plan amendment, CPA 2407, CPL 2 Rivers, providing for a transmitter of a comprehensive plan text amendment to sub-area policy flu 7.1.11 2 Rivers P D.

   2:41:51Oh yes, additionally we have received uh letters of opposition that were submitted to the clerk's office after the posting of the agenda.

   2:42:07Alright, so again, this proposal is a comprehensive plan text amendment to policy flu 7.1.11 to River Speedy to allow for an increase in residential dwelling units and non-residential entitlements on approximately 3,405 acres. And it's located on the north and south side of State Road 56, spanning from Morris Bridge Road to Gall Boulevard, US 301. Again, there is the companion the sub-area policy. Which is proposed to be amended in this text amendment. And then there is a companion rezoning RZ seventy eight five six two rivers MPUD.

   2:42:43So here's the county location. The subject site is located in the South Market area and the urban concentration area.

   2:42:51And here's the existing boundary of the overall two rivers P D.

   2:42:58Now here's a context map just kind of walking you through the various vision roads and collector roads throughout the overall development. So you'll see on the western boundary there's Morris Bridge Road running through as we go east. There's two rivers Boulevard which runs north-south. There's Colston Avenue that runs east. And then there's Gall Boulevard US 301. And then in the northeast corner, you'll see two dashed lines: there's Lodegrass Boulevard and Coates Road. Those are not constructed at this point, but Lodgegrass Boulevard, PDE, currently has site plans that we're reviewing to construct

   2:43:28Lodge Grass Boulevard, which will provide access to both the county park and the school site.

   2:43:39Now these are the main changes proposed in the text amendment and these are the maximum levels of development. So, to just take a step back, the existing sub-area was adopted in 2008, and there has been no changes since 2008. So the existing sub-area policy allows for land use equivalency matrix to occur. And several have occurred, but the entitlements on the actual sub-area Text have not been updated to reflect such. So

   2:44:09some of this is a cleanup and some of these are new additional requests. that are new and non trip neutral to the project. So Of the existing 1,125 age restricted dwelling units, previously 912 have been exchanged to increase the multifamily by 200 and the single family residential to 4,047. So of the there sorry. So there's 209 age restricted units remaining.

   2:44:39So of the requested 900 additional multifamily, 133 are considered to be trip neutral. And then there the applicant is requesting to add an additional 767, which are non-trip neutral. The use of 300 assisted living facility beds, 480 hotel rooms. 705,000 square feet of retail and a water park not to exceed 35 acres. One last thing I'll note is when this sub-area was adopted in 2008,

   2:45:10it allowed for a maximum of 6,400 dwelling units. The proposal today is for 6,547 dwelling units.

   Starkey

   2:45:18What was that number? Sorry.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   2:45:19So the original was sixty four hundred? Today they're asking for six thousand five hundred and forty seven.

   2:45:28So the proposed amendment is consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies, Section Flu A six, PD, Plan Development, Policy Flu 7.1.11, 2 Rivers PD. Policy Flu 8.1.2, South Market Area Establishment. Policy Flu 1.8.7, Economic Development. Policy Flu 1.8.10, Preservation of Capacity for Employment and Earning Uses. And Policy HSG 1.1.2, Comprehensive Plan Amendments. Policy E D 1.7.2, Promote

   2:45:58Tourism Expansion. And this comes to you with a recommendation of approval to authorize transmittal of the proposed comprehensive plan amendment. I'm available if you have any questions.

   MarianoChair

   2:46:09Any questions for staff?

   2:46:12I do. Commissioner Weightman.

   WeightmanVice Chair

   2:46:17Was this area of the county in designated an opportunity zone in years past?

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   2:46:25I believe it was.

   WeightmanVice Chair

   2:46:26Yeah. Do we know what what year it was? But it was in an opera I think that's important to note. There's only

   Starkey

   2:46:34been one iteration. So

   WeightmanVice Chair

   2:46:37one iteration of it. So this so for history, so this this whole area was c in an opportunity zone. And um Interesting. The opportunity came. uh which is which is interesting as time time has gone on. So thought that was important to have on the record. Um

   2:47:02'Cause I n I I never thought that that would have ever happened, to be quite honest with you. But times sure have changed.

   MarianoChair

   2:47:12So follow that up, is it still? Because I think they just re- reaffirmed all the opportunity zones again, didn't they?

   Starkey

   2:47:17No, no, they're they're getting picked, I think.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:47:21I am I am not sure is is the answer. But but if I might just lead you all through this, because there's been a lot of, I believe, uh intentional misconstruction of this application online? to further short narratives about what's going on here. As you just heard from staff, the Comp plan already allowed For many years, 6400 residential units here. We're seeking 6547.

   2:47:52I heard people in the other hearing, yeah, it's about two percent difference we're asking for on the residential. We are asking for more commercial We're excited to be asking for the approval for the surf park. And we're asking for some more hotels because we think the surf park will bring in the need for more hotel night stays there. This is not the MPUD, but if you look at what's going on here, the scope of the residential entitlements is not material to the scope

   2:48:22of this development. What's important to remember in the bigger picture about two rivers is that two rivers Has been planned since at least 2010 to be the eastern anchor of the urban service area and the south market area. Except for Wiregrass, and now Angeline, it's probably going to be the most important economic driver of the county for the next 50 years. It is being built out by Eisenhower uh Property Group.

   2:48:53And Eisenhower Property Group is building a high-end community, particularly on the south side of 56. They will spend over $50 million in landscaping and hardscape improvements alone south of 56. We've already sold, I believe, 120-something million plus dollar houses south of that area. We've already worked with The county and gotten the park regional park sold. We worked for years to

   2:49:23align that with where the school site was going to go. The school sites there. We built all of the utilities at our cost, no county cost to go to the site and through the site. We have built several miles of vision roads through the site with no Fee credits. If we were in VOPH, Connected City, and certain other projects, they would have been fee creditable. We haven't asked for a penny. We have also built and are building about 10 miles of multi-use

   2:49:54paths within this project. It's a great project. It's something you should be really proud of. I have Tony Miller here who can talk about the Surf Park, which I'm personally really excited about, and we anticipate will be a major regional and national draw to the site. We felt like that was one thing we're missing. We knew that we were light on commercial, and that's the big change that you see here. We need more commercial. All the studies show that there just isn't. Isn't enough commercial on this stretch of 56. But again,

   2:50:24the reason why this 6.13 mile uh state road 56 extension was built from Meadow Point to 301. was this project and two other ones and this was the biggest one. This project paid for about 60% of lanes three and four and even after that it will contribute approximately $50 million in mobility fees to the county. There's a lot to like here.

   MarianoChair

   2:50:51Is the surf park done? Is the deal closed?

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:50:56Tony Miller is here, and what he has told me, and I'll just say this on the record, it's very important to his project that the Surf Park approvals proceed as part of this. His equity investors have been patiently waiting while we work through with staff and the board to get these uh the project to this point. It's taken us over two years since the MPUD modification was filed to get to this. Point, and we're not voting on that today. Today is just the transmittal of the plan amendment. But Tony says his

   2:51:26investors are ready to go. He plans on filing for site plan approvals within a couple of months after the zoning is done.

   MarianoChair

   2:51:34And as we talked, if that surf park does come together, you're not gonna need as many apartments because you've got to want to have more commercial.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:51:40Right. And that but that's in the MPUD portion of it. But that will be part of the MPUD condition and the discussion after the transmittal comes back to us. But

   MarianoChair

   2:51:49I think we're an important part of the conversation here because I think

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:51:52be adding any more apartments if the surf park isn't built.

   MarianoChair

   2:51:56Okay. Very good.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:51:58Happy to answer any other questions. Otherwise we'll

   MarianoChair

   2:52:01question

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:52:01our neighbors.

   MarianoChair

   2:52:03Okay. We'll

   Oakley

   2:52:04go to public comment.

   Starkey

   2:52:05All right. So Michaela Krauss is the only person signed up in person and online, but since she's here.

   MarianoChair

   2:52:15Please line up if anyone's else can speak.

   Unidentified speakerVoice J

   2:52:34Mikaela Krause, [address removed]. I have sworn. Good afternoon, Commissioners. I'm a resident here today to strongly urge you to deny the proposed comprehensive plan amendment affecting two rivers. After reviewing the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan, I find this proposal completely inconsistent with its adopted policies, Chapter 5, Policy 1.9.1. It is also highly inconsistent with Chapter 5, Policy

   2:53:041.10.1. Which uh encourages um passive recreation within a neighborhood like this that has scattered conservation. uh portion lots. It further violates Chapter 2, Policy 2.1.6. Indian Creek, which sits within the water basin of and directly feeds into the Hillsborough River, an outstanding Florida waterway. This directly risks degrading water quality

   2:53:34that is already in a vulnerable state. Running counter to Florida Administrative Code 62-302.300. Critically, this property provides irreplaceable habitat for state and federally endangered flora, like the clasping warrior, sand butterfly pea, Florida golden asher, and the federally protected Mikosuke Gooseberry, under Florida statutes,

   2:54:04Title 35, Chapter 581, Section 185 and Florida Administrative Code Rule 5B-40.001. I also have been in contact with the permitting facility and they did not find any permitting that allows two rivers to remove these natural endangered flora. Furthermore, I ask the board to look closely at goal con two of Chapter 3 of the Pasco County Comprehensive

   2:54:35Plan. This applicant has already demonstrated a complete disregard for these standards and Florida Administrative Code Rule 62-296.320 governing open burning. I have sworn and I can verify That this past January 3rd and 4th of 2026, a massive unpermitted open burn took place on this exact Two Rivers property on Grand Aids Minion Drive that

   2:55:05you can see from Moore's Bridge Road. And I was driving at forty five miles an hour and could not get a picture. But we're this little

   2:55:17That top of that little circle in the sand, top of the circle, all the way down to the bottom of the circle, you see it's dark. This was a burn pile and I contacted the District of Withlacuche Forest Service, Catsy. Me and her have been chatting it up. She has sent me the recent permitting paperwork. They didn't have carbon egg. Thank you. Thank you. Please deny this.

   Oakley

   2:55:46All right. Next question.

   Cindy Buckle

   2:55:51Yeah, yeah. Okay. Cindy Barple? [address removed]. And I am asking

   Unidentified speakerVoice O

   2:56:00Have you been sworn?

   Cindy Buckle

   2:56:02Yes, I have been sworn.

   Unidentified speakerVoice O

   2:56:04Thank you.

   Cindy Buckle

   2:56:04Okay. Okay, I'm talking about water. Chapter 403, Section A Five, 2025, Municipalities in Florida are required to provide potable water through public water systems, which must comply with the Florida Safe Water Drinking Act. Yeah. We are going through a 25-year drought. Okay? Have any of you ever run out of water when you're in your shower? Anybody?

   2:56:35I'm asking the question. I have Okay, and right now I'm on a well. And our pressure is dropping. And I also travel throughout Florida and Georgia and measure the springs myself. I have had conversations with Governor Kemp in Georgia regarding the water issues, and I've let him know what's happening here in Florida, in Pasco County, is Developers

   2:57:07can pump 33 million gallons a day for a lagoon. Now you want to build a 35-acre water park. Okay? So when I run out of water, What's gonna happen? I'm not gonna pay for city water to run down my road. I have horses. Right now my water's testing with mercury in it. Okay, so It's gotta stop at some point. You all have

   2:57:37to stop. And the fires, they're not accidents. These there's no way these fires are accidents. I know for a fact someone on the board here Personally had certain plants' weeds burned because they didn't light them. That started a horrific fire. We are very dry right now. We are not getting the rain. Our aquifer is there's there's no way we can recoup the rain. So you

   2:58:07keep pumping the thirty-three million gallon lagoons. Now a thirty-five acre water surf park. We don't need an adventure island out here. We have one that's not very far away. We don't need a 380-room hotel. This is going to cause thousands and thousands of more traffic on two-lane roads, 301, Morris Bridge Road. I can tell you the number of fatalities that happen on these roads.

   2:58:38Every weekend, at least two to three people die on these roads. Whether they're on the Pasco side or the Hillsborough County side, it does not matter. When you put all those homes in, you're putting people on two lane roads because those roads aren't going to be widened for a long time. It took 25 years for 54 to get done up to Moores Bridge. because I watched it happen. So I'm just praying to deny this.

   MarianoChair

   2:59:08Okay. Thank you. To the board to submit all.

   Oakley

   2:59:14Move approval.

   Amanda Hill

   2:59:15Second.