PDE-26-7596

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1. 1Apr 16, 2026
   Planning CommissionP2Public hearingNo outcome in the minutes

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2. 2May 19, 2026
   Board of County CommissionersP37Public hearingContinued

   Zoning Amendment (Regular) (Continuance) - Denton Avenue MPUD … Avenue and Little Road

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   Approved to continue to a date uncertain.

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   Kathryn Starkey

   25:34Item P thirty-seven was published in the Tampa Bay Times on April first, twenty twenty-six, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

   Ron OakleyDisputed

   25:44Item P thirty seven is PD twenty six seven five nine six. This is a zoning amendment to the name of Denton Avenue MPUD, Denton Avenue Project L L C. It's a rezoning request from AC Agricultural District to an MPUD Master Plan Unit Development District. The request is to continue the item to the June sixteenth, twenty twenty six Portal County Commissioner's meeting at 1 30 P. M. or as soon thereafter as may say may be heard in New Port Richey. Of motion.

   Kathryn Starkey

   26:12Second.

   Jack MarianoChair

   26:13All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. P38.

3. 3May 21, 2026
   Planning CommissionP6Public hearingNo outcome in the minutes

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4. 4Aug 25, 2026
   Board of County CommissionersP54Public hearingApproved

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   Approved Staff’s recommendation with the revision to add the Condition to the MPUD that they disclose the additional potential dust on Mattis Road to any homes along Mattis Road.

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   Jack MarianoChair

   1:31:14Okay. Moving to item P54. We have proof.

   Madam Clerk

   1:31:18P fifty-four I have proof. Tampa Bay Times, April 1st, 2026, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. The item was continued from the May 19, 2026 BCC meeting to the June 16, 2026 BCC meeting, where it was continued to today.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:31:42Good afternoon, Commissioner's William Vermillion, Planning Development, Economic Growth. This is item PDE 267596. This is a zoning amendment in Denton Avenue MPUDs

   1:31:55This is a rezoning request from A C Agricultural District to an MP Master Plan Unit Development District. To allow for the maximum development of eight hundred and thirty-two single-family detached homes, seventy-five thousand square feet of support commercial. and four hundred and forty thousand square feet of light industrial and associated infrastructure on approximately three hundred and thirty one point six acres. This is in northeast Pasco County, about one point five miles uh to the east of the intersection of Denton Avenue

   1:32:26and Little Road.

   1:32:29Here's the location map of the subject site.

   Ron Oakley

   1:32:34Said northeast or northwest?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:32:36Northwest.

   1:32:40Here's the the subject sites aerial. It's currently vacant with a tree line to the north and to the south. The current zoning request A C

   1:32:55the future land use. And here is the contextual map of the subject site outlined in red. You can see here which bifurcates the property is the Bolton Avenue extension, which a little bit further along in the presentation we'll speak about. To the north side, of course, Denton Avenue. Uh where you can find the Denton Place MPUDs which a was approved uh around 2023. Also to the north is the Arthur Ingall Park, an existing R4 development

   1:33:26of some smaller clustered homes. And of course, the intersection of Hicks Road and the Bolton Avenue extension. And to the south, the property is bordered by Kitten Trail.

   1:33:39This is the MPUDs. Um the master plan has been updated since it went to the Planning Commission. Um when when the project went to the Planning Commission, they first asked um staff and the applicant as a part of their motion to do a couple different things. Um one of which was to reach back out to our fire rescue department um about the amount of accesses um to Denton Avenue for the project to ensure that Fire Rescue didn't have any additional comments since the project had

   1:34:10been in review for roughly four or five years. This project has been in since uh 2021. And uh FIRE confirmed um to PDE that they didn't have any more additional comments about the two accesses on Denton Road. But what you'll see here on this master plan is that PDE worked with the applicant to to get the construction of Bolton Avenue from its uh from the subject site all the way out to Hicks Road as a 60-foot cross section with two

   1:34:4010-foot multi-use paths on either side. And I can add a little bit more detail to that. Um you can see the typical sections here which show the the multi-use paths as well as the uh the linear lanage um of the sixty foot cross section. But as we move into the binding concept plan here.

   1:34:57What what the applicant worked with PDE on specifically was the orange area to the south. Those are seventy foot lots, particularly around the existing neighbors of the uh the larger lots that get their access from Kitten Trail. And then also mi doing these sixty foot lots in yellow along the other boundaries of the property. Um to help with the uh the blending of densities for the area and the overall size and lot configuration. You

   1:35:28can see that uh I've zoomed in on the southern portion of the plan here with one of the features, which is the park space that's down there in that uh tooth section, as I call it, of the property that comes down to Kitten Trail, which will remain a park. as well as have that red trail access down to Kitten Trail in which the applicant will install some uh safe light flashers for pedestrians to be able to get to the CIP project that put in the pedestrian facilities on the southern side of Kitten Trail. Additionally

   1:35:58you can see here in the dark green along the southern boundary. that that is a forty foot wide buffer. Originally it was a twenty foot wide buffer. The applicant increased that to forty feet after hearing from the residents at both the Planning Commission and the numerous neighborhood meetings.

   1:36:20As we as we move to the north, um, what's required by the code in section nine oh one seven is for the applicant to construct any pedestrian facilities within a within a right of way along the project's linear frontage. And in this case that would have been the ten foot multi use path. on the southern side of Denton Avenue. The applicant worked with staff in this case, Two Building. the multi-use path on the southern side of the project until you get to the north-south spine road, at which time

   1:36:50they transition to the north side of the road, uh of course with uh safe pedestrian crossing infrastructure there. Um, which is that blue area. and then continue building the multi-use path off site, approximately 1300 linear feet to the entrance of the park. which helps complete the pedestrian network, out here in the area, um, when the applicant comes up and speaks and talks about um some of the behavioral patterns that happen out there. People are having to walk in the grass currently to get in that park because there's

   1:37:20no pedestrian infrastructure, so The applicant worked with PDE um to have them build off site pedestrian improvements, which are mobility fee credible against the bike ped portion of the mobility fee, which is highlighted there in red. That's the only credible section.

   1:37:37There is also a binding landscaping and buffering plan here. This shows what happens within the 40-foot buffer to the south, as well as the uh the buffers that are going to happen along Denton Avenue and on the eastern and western boundaries, the largest of which, of course, is that 40-foot buffer.

   1:38:03These are renderings of what that 40 foot buffer would look like both at time of planting. You can see at time of planting at installation there in the top left hand corner of this. This is the what the plantings would look like at installation in accordance with what the code requires for for trees to be at time of installation. And then also at maturity. what that buffer would look like in terms of tree canopy.

   1:38:32There's also the Florida native palette, which is binding as a part of this project, which limits the applicant specifically to Florida. native plant palette that they use here. Um Which is indicated here. There's two variations from the code and I think uh I'd like to go back one step here. Um in some of the commissioner meetings um There was concerns about the intersection as it was with East Road and Denton

   1:39:02Avenue with that unsafe turn that's happening there. And I just wanted to have it on the record that the county did have a a project out there that is currently underway that's supposed to be done by the end of twenty six or early twenty seven. to add eastbound and westbound left turn lanes to help with that dangerous curve intersection um for east road and avenue. There's two variation requests here, the first being from 905-2D5 street design dedication and requirements. This is uh for the applicant

   1:39:32not to provide a southern vehicular connection as I went back to the binding plan. Um several residents here in the audience and at the neighborhood meetings. Um we're concerned with traffic on Kitten Trail, so what the applicant did was provide a pedestrian connection to Kitten Trail, to our CIP project here at the county where we built the pedestrian facilities in lieu of a vehicular connection. then providing the connection uh two to the north and then building Bolton Avenue as you move out to Hicks Road.

   1:40:03And the final variation from 8052, restrictions on post-development wetlands and upland buffers. This is the uh the traditional uh creation of a CDD, HOA. This is particularly for the industrial and commercial areas to not have to establish a CDD or HOA to maintain the common areas if they're maintained by uh one single entity.

   1:40:29Staff is amenable to both of these requests, as I just mentioned here, um because of the the passive park, the CIP project and the pedestrian connection, as well as meeting the intent and code for the maintenance of open space within commercial and industrial land. This comes to you with a recommendation of approval from both the Planning and Development Economic Growth Department and to the Planning Commission. I'm available for any questions.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:40:54I've got a few questions for you. Um before he does that, we and you know choose the next party.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:40:59I have that note here and I failed to read it. Ex parte communications and letter of opposition were sent to the clerk's office this morning as I received them.

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:41:08No just in case mine aren't in there, I've met with the applicant. I've also met with residents, so Alright, so let's go to the site plan.

   1:41:23Okay, so what you've got in if you're over six hundred units in the development you have to have two exit and entrances, correct?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:41:30Yes sir.

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:41:31Okay. So I want everyone to take a close look at this. Now Kit and Trail, if you've been there in the morning when school's dropped off, it's a mess both ways coming in, coming out. Out and Hudson Avenue that serves the same complex is the same way. It's very, very crowded. So for you to take, and we have that big other developments coming down the street to the left of the screen here. You've got one entrance main spine coming in, and all that traffic's got to go up. up to Denton have to

   1:42:01get out, whether they're gonna right or left, they're all coming there. Then they've got to go compete with the other developments down the street to get to the south, because right now you'd have to go to Little Road to get down to the school. Then they get a swing into New York Avenue to come in and then hit Hicks Road, another two-lane road which doesn't have an improved intersection whatsoever. Any traffic coming from Hicks Row down below, it's it's just it's gonna be super crowded. You had an opportunity, and we've had these discussions, so I'm very disappointed to see what you come up

   1:42:31with. There's just your no the spine coming out there right to the center of the screen. And if you look to where this 10-acre commercial parcel is in the purple. Look at where the second exit is. It's all the way to the left. And it looks like it's just two lanes coming in and out. And the second entrance for the 600 unit is supposed to be that road. This defies any logical setup why this code was ever set up to be this way. We would never set it or design

   1:43:01it this way. Now I work with staff and I'm very disappointed to see them coming back with a recommendation approval when it doesn't deal with it. When just to the south where you see the dark maroon line in the center of their site plan, that's Bolton Avenue. Bolton Avenue, if they took it, they could connect it And then would hit to where Hicks Road would be, which would be a north-south road going in. It would connect further to Little Road and US 19 then by dispersing the traffic with a better chance around the whole area. But now

   1:43:31you're driving it where it's all gonna come down from Little Road. If they don't go through 19 on there, and then it's all gonna be jammed in there, and I've got no improvements whatsoever.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:43:41Oh, perhaps I I wasn't clear. Uh a part of this this Denton Avenue that's coming before you that wasn't um before Planning Commission is the construction of Bolton Avenue as a responsibility of this project out to Hicks Road. So not only do you have two connections to Denton Avenue um per the land development code, you also have a a third connection out to to the construction of Bolton Road all the way to Hicks.

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:44:04Why is this in the planet?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:44:06Oh so since it since it's an off since it's an off site improvement, we didn't show it on the plan, we showed it on the cross section and in the conditions because of the applicant has to submit a subsequent development agreement, which would come back before the commissioners.

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:44:18This is absurd. Absolutely absurd. I've talked about this thing all the time. You set the line right up there. You don't c go through your comments, but you tell me it's coming. This is this is a little bit more than a little bit. I'm sorry. Um Right. I don't want to approve it until this thing's done and this thing doesn't get built until that road's done. Period, the end. But let's cur go further. I also talked with you about Bohanan Road. Those

   1:44:48of you who don't know, it's out in Zephyrhills. You had a trailer pot going along the side, all asphalted, in their development. Beside them was a dirt road, which they didn't control. That dirt road gets used and the dust goes up and over. And just buries those people along that way. And you know if you've heard of Wanda Stevens, I'm sure you've met her a few times. Because that road needs to be paved alongside that. It's hard enough in a rural area with big lots right beside it to have a dirt road when

   1:45:18you get homes coming beside it. Because the people that are going to be the worst affected are the new people that are going to be coming in alongside here. And that's not addressed either.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:45:30Sure. Uh right now there's no connection to Mattis Road until it's improved. Of course Bolton Road's gonna extend out to Coyote, so there shouldn't be any dust concerns because there'll be no additional traffic on Mattis.

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:45:41the Mannis Road people that live there now are still gonna continue the road and cause the dust to fly and the dust is gonna fly off to the side. I've got comments who talked to Brantford and his com and his team, they get they're even complaining about the dirt roads that's out there as well. So there's no m n no time there's no improvement being made and those people living on that way are gonna get affected but this development coming in Of the people that are in the development are going to be affected by the people on the dirt road. It's an incompatible use for that reason and it hasn't been addressed. Sure.

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   1:46:13I I have a question. So one of my uh act more than one of my constituents had a had a question Can you keep Kitten Trail closed? Because the fire department said they did not need the access to Kitten Trail. They would like it closed. They don't want a future connection there.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:46:32Absolutely. Um so down there in that that green area in the passive park, that's where it's only gonna be a pedestrian connection to Kitten Trail. No v no additional vehicles on the kitten trail. And the fire department is okay with that.

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   1:46:44I'm saying though if it was if it was a passive park do we need a connection for fire safety?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:46:50No ma'am. The the fire department was all right with the two connections on Denton and was even more thrilled to have the third connection via Bolton Avenue.

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   1:46:57Okay. So kit and trail will be closed to all vehicles.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:47:01Yes, ma'am, just just the pedestrian connection.

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   1:47:03Okay.

   1:47:05And then another question was I guess this would be for The applicant, would they be willing to do a forty foot buffer all around? Instead of twenty feet. Cause we have forty feet and then twenty feet.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:47:25I can certainly let the applicant speak to that.

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:47:33And the question is to staff.

   Seth WeightmanVice Chair

   1:47:35Mr. Witman. That way you don't limp away too hard from from this additional item. Just a public servant. A humble public a tough public servant. So um you know, this the evolution of this this project uh from where we saw this thing uh when I first came on the board uh almost four years ago to today, uh will compliment the the the the staff's work on this uh as is of its

   1:48:05evolution to get to this point from where it started to where it is it has come a long way there's still clearly some uh level of uh uh discomfort with it but uh the plan is seemingly improving so um I just wanted to note that um before we move forward with the next phase of this conversation.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:48:26Much appreciated.

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:48:29Uh, one more question. So the Bolton Avenue connec connection is now done you're saying through to Hicks Road. Yes, sir. The other problem's still Hicks Road south. But it's not connected from there.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:48:44Maybe

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:48:45you get you can get the you can make the connection X road, but if it doesn't go to the south, you still get an issue. Cause they still gotta go up the little road.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:48:53Absolutely noted.

   1:48:56So I we we were we were able to obligate we were able to obligate the construction out to Hicks Road. Um Which I think is proportional to div to the developments impact to the infr to the infrastructure as well as the signal e signalization of Denton Avenue. Um but that that is as far as as staff was able to to go as far as off site improvements whenever you also throw in the off site pedestrian improvements to the north.

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:49:22Alright, so I'm I want the board no we actually try to work that this the property right beside we're trying to the Hud Hudson Industrial Park. And in the Hud Hudson Industrial Park where it ends is right at that point where they could we could have worked with them to go forward. So had we worked together we could have used

   1:49:46But since they've separated out to the option goes.

   Seth WeightmanVice Chair

   1:49:51Yeah,

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:49:52can we get a big map for Map Ages?

   Seth WeightmanVice Chair

   1:49:55This

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:49:55is

   Seth WeightmanVice Chair

   1:49:55crazy.

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:50:37So the Hicks Road Project has been a vision road for probably fifteen years now. Uh it's on the map. We actually had a development commit, not development, but a paving assessment done from Bolton Avenue going to the north of Denton. That southern connection was a very key piece. These guys abutted it, they've got industrial lands right beside it, would have worked real good the industrial park, and again it provided that opportunity to go get that road funded. But they walked away from it. They want to go separate. They thought they were better off going separate. And we fought for the longest time about the Bolton Avenue and um Hick h

   1:51:07uh Bolton the in the kitten trail connection to work. Had they worked with us, we could have possibly had this done by now. But now literally it's great to get this improvement, but it's still to a spot that doesn't go anywhere. If it connect itself we'd have something really good to work with.

   1:51:34So if you see the bigger the yellow dot that's on the side, that's the project we're looking at. This is the county's spray fields to the side. Then down to the south, if you put the marker on that.

   1:51:52So go go up if you would go up to the top of Bolton Avenue. Okay, so where that that is there, that's one of the parcels, the parcel then right to the side of to the west. Those two parcels together is what the industrial park's gonna be. Hicks Road is right beside it in the where the pink is.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:52:13Right.

   1:52:15William, was the was the factor was the limiting factor the amount of mobility fees the project was generating?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:52:24But sure, that that's a portion of it too, whenever you talk about the cost of cost of signalization, um, the ultimate construction of

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:52:33Well I'm asking because they're you're they're getting credits for the cost. Correct. So so was the limiting factor the amount of mobility fees being generated by this project, they wouldn't be able to absorb the entire cost of going south as well.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:52:47I believe that that was the the the applicant's um position. Of course I don't have an engineered cost estimate, but of course that's a part of the the development agreement, but I would assume that that was the case. I'd I'm more than happy to let the applicant speak to to their projected costs as well as their their mobility impacts in relation to that.

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:53:08Okay. Right. Taking from the yellow dot going across um From now to then the property goes out to

   1:53:19Bolton, right to the way Hicks Road is, but then at Hicks Road connection, if they go down there they go down to Hicks Road down to Kitten Trail, which is a little bit south of where that is. So let me kinda lift that up a little bit. There you go. If you take it down to Hicks Road then you'd come down across you'd go to the top part. Well see the the school complex at the top of the race uh track and field places there? Yeah, just a little bit further. Next next road down. Next one down. No no go the go the take it's to the

   1:53:49south, so

   1:53:53Right, but they're not gonna go that way, they're gonna go down. Yeah, bring the orange one down there.

   1:54:01Uh so the line you got going across that little line there, that needs to be l one street lower.

   1:54:13If you if you want, go ahead and pull that one down. The ver no no so go down past that one there. And no no no no no just just one one more block. One more right there. That's where they're gonna get to. So that connection right there will then let people go across over there. That's where we just put this putting the sidewalk in right now to make it make it safe for everybody. But that intersection is very weak. There's dirt all around it, just with the two lanes, not a a breakdown on it. But that's where the connection's gotta go.

   1:54:43If they don't do that, they're still going down over a little road, back and over and then coming in that way. So the Hicks Road's still a a key piece. Great we get progress with Bolton, but you still need Hicks Road.

   1:54:55And like I said, had had they joined with us and stayed with us, we could work on both of them together.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:55:07I think To to Mr Goldstein's point, another limiting factor in terms of the obligation of Hicks Road South was the the lack of right away that exists there currently.

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:55:18And again the people that own the property would have given all the right away we needed. We actually could do a land swap with them anyway. They were fully operational to give us whatever right away we needed. So please do not bring that argument up.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:55:30Do not

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:55:31bring that argument up. So

   Planning and Development staff

   1:55:33consider it tabled. Uh that project is in review as well. Um the Hudson Industrial, it just came back in. And any kind of obligations that we can assign to that developer for building this roadway, of course, um P D will do so.

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:55:47I think it's a good time to bring them back together, but That's all the questions I got. Anyone else?

   1:55:54Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. And the applicant?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:56:03If I may just do a little housekeeping, hand a few things to the clerk.

   Seth WeightmanVice Chair

   1:56:06Move your seen file.

   Madam Clerk

   1:56:15District one, Commissioner Oakley.

   1:56:19District Two, Commissioner Weightman.

   Seth WeightmanVice Chair

   1:56:21I'm here.

   Madam Clerk

   1:56:22District three, Commissioner Starkey.

   1:56:27Aye. District four, Commissioner Yeager. Aye. District five, Chairman Mariano.

   Jack MarianoChair

   1:56:31Aye.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:56:44Barbara Wilhite, sixty three twenty seven Grand Boulevard, um New Port Richey for the applicant.

   1:56:53Wanna run through um presentation that I made for you all?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:56:56Before we start we're you requested additional time. Did was that for hand to the time this is fine. Okay.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:57:04So been at this since twenty twenty-one. Our project was very different in twenty twenty-one and twenty twenty-two. Um We were requesting a comprehensive plan amendment from the Res 6, Res 3, and IL, which are your land use categories on this property. Again, the county's land use categories on this property, not mine. Nothing I requested, nothing the property I requested. Your land uses on this property are res 6, res 3, and IL. We had requested that to go to plan development. There was a slide. in Mr. Vilmillion's slide deck that showed

   1:57:34the land use as planned development, I think that's an error because the the land uses are res six, res three, and IL. We had an application for sixteen hundred and fourteen residential units. single family detached villas, townhomes, apartments. We had light industrial, daycare, and our we had vehicular access to and from kitten. So when you when you stand here and and ask other applicants to cut their density in half, we did it. We're asking eight hundred and thirty-two units today. So

   1:58:04when you see the all the emails in your record from twenty twenty two, we read every one of those.

   1:58:10And we came back with a new project is what you have today. We're following your land uses on the property to a T, res 6, RES 3, and IL, our res six density. Is we don't blend any density. In the res 3 portions, we stay under three units per acre. In the res six portions, we're at 3.01. So again, you didn't have to ask us to do it, we did it. The we the land use allows fourteen hundred and sixty two homes, the land your land use

   1:58:41on this property. We're requesting eight hundred and thirty-two. We have not blended density that your code allows. We have single family eight hundred si eight hundred single thirty-two single family homes with sixty and seventy foot lots around the perimeters, no forties, no apartments, no towns. Denton Place has forties apartments and towns. All the things that you would have approved for a project just north of here in a res three land use This project did not request is not requesting. We

   1:59:11had four voluntary neighborhood meetings. Three of them were in a in sequential and then we stopped between eight, six and twelve two. Because we actually did things that the neighbors asked us about. They asked us about drainage. We stopped and did a master grading plan. The property owner hired WRA. which nobody does at rezoning, to actually do the masquerading so if any questions regarding flooding came up, they could answer them. And they

   1:59:41answered them during those meetings. We came back on twelve twelve. Our engineer presented the results of his actual grading drainage plan that he did for this property during rezoning. Another thing that we did was the detail that you see on that binding landscape plan that staff went over, that was done between that the third and the fourth final neighborhood meeting. The neighbor said. We want to see different type of vegetation. We want to see not what your cookie cutter compliant uh code

   2:00:12requires a suburban county. Let's see something different, native palate. A lot of attention to detail was done on that landscape plan between the third and fourth meetings. and we presented that binding landscape plan. We not only did at the neighborhood meeting agreed a single story along the perimeter, single story houses. A lot of my clients have been asked to do that. They usually say we you know, don't want to single family to single family, but they did did agree to that. The red

   2:00:42neighbor's next to the the parcel that We own that the client owns to Kitten Road said could you please make that a passive park? Please don't please make it stay natural. Please make sure it doesn't have any active recreation. So we did all those things. We made all those changes. Made all those commitments, document all those commitments. The neighbors requested no vehicular access to Kitten Trail, including no emergency access. We made that change and asked for that variation at the neighbor's request. We put the 70 foot lots along the kitten trail

   2:01:12adjacencies as a result in between those neighborhood meetings and again the single story. So those were the things we did in between our third and fourth neighborhood meetings.

   2:01:24Again, this is the detail, passive park, all the bit existing vegetation stays. We put the ten-foot trail, meander it through there. It our binding landscape plan. Lots of detail on here. With what's interesting if you look at this chart And let me open to my page so I can actually see it.

   2:01:45Is the care that went into What we did for a landscape buffer. So what's required is ten feet. That's what your code requires in between these types of lots, the adjacencies. We're doing twenty feet and then forty feet down to Kitten Trail. No fence is required by your code. We're doing a six-foot opaque opaque fence. Your canopy trees are one per sixty, we're doubling that one per thirty. Your code doesn't care about ornamental, we do, we put ornamental trees in.

   2:02:15Your code doesn't ask for palms, we do, we put palms in. Your code asked for a single row of shrubs, we care, we doubled it. Our mature height shrub height is six feet, your code only requires three. Code doesn't require any accident shrubs, we do. We put fifteen per canopy tree. A lot of care went into that buffer plan. And the palette that was picked out for that um that I know that you have seen before.

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   2:02:43Can I Barbara, can I ask you a quick question on trees? Are you uh putting in a um A tree by the front of the house to shade the for the sidewalks.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:02:53I will grab the conditions and make sure I answer that question after public comment. I'll make sure I check it so I can answer your question, but I will check. I think the answer is yes, but let me make sure I look at the conditions. Um

   2:03:07After neighborhood meeting, we worked with staff on a buy new concept plan. We increased the buffer on kitten trail lots to 40 feet. We did a prohibition on data centers even before you all started talking about it. Um so forever. Not just a moratorium, it's forever, no, no data centers within our industrial land use. A lot of work on the community connectivity. We did the enhanced bike crossing across Denton. And actually, I have a slide on this, so I'm gonna defer that to go through this a little more detail. So looking

   2:03:37at In context and what Commissioner Weightman said, this is a balance. We have land use that allows 1,432 units. We've tried to balance and I think we've achieved a very good balance between our property rights and the community that we that we exist within. County's doing one point seven four mile sidewalk on Kitten. We said okay. We're gonna do an adhanced pedestrian crossing to get between that sidewalk and our project, um, coming up through our project. We're gonna do a ten foot multi-use path all the way up through our project, actually on both sides of our

   2:04:07our spine road from Kinton to Denton. Then when we get Up to Denton, another enhanced bike crossing, bike ped crossing, and then you've heard um Mr. Bamilion describe what we're doing off-site to make sure that We can get our not only our residents, our kids, they're gonna live in this community, up to the park without having to walk in the sand and the dirt? But remember, because of the connectivity here, everybody on Kitten that now knows has no way to walk or bike to Arthur Angle Park on the north side of this project can now

   2:04:37come up through our project on a ten foot path, cross safely across Kitten. Cross Denton. and then get to the park on a ten foot trail. Right now the Summer Chase Subdivision to the east, on the north side, the east the very east of your of your Arthur Angle Park. they their sidewalk ends at their property line and those kids get to walk through the dirt to your to your park. We're gonna hook into their existing sidewalk. So a lot of thought went into the connectivity both on-site and off-site.

   2:05:08Mr. Villian went through this slide about the the on the north side of Denton, the the trail we're putting in. You have heard about Bolton. We were requested by the county to construct um do a development agreement with them to construct Bolton. Two Hicks. And we said okay. And we've added that to the conditions. The project does pay mobility fees. We're gonna generate about eleven point four million. The commercial will also pay mobility fees. Debt in place which you've approved with you earmarked

   2:05:39their MPUDs for improvements in this area are gonna generate at least seven point five million, so it's nineteen million dollars for improvements. That you can make if you if you wanna earmark these mobility fees like you did for Denton Place, that's something that you could do to make sure they're used here. That's up to you all. Um what I I know.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:06:00So do you know what the estimated cost is a bulletin?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:06:05I probably have one that the county engineer put together. He may know himself if he's here. He's back there, yeah. Yes, he probably has an estimate that he can answer your question. But I probably could find an email from him with an estimate for Bolton, an estimate for Hicks. Been at this for five years, so I think I've looked at every issue um at least three times. So

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:06:26Well I guess I'm trying to figure out is that we're not going to be able Is it? Possible for you all to do Hicks or is that beyond the scope of what

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:06:35you all have done?

   2:06:38everything for this project. Um tell you Hicks Road is in your in county you should ask your county engineer what his opinion is on Hicks Road and spending money on that. He he thinks that at one point, don't know, speak for himself, that Little Road has capacity. I know Commissioner Mariano disagrees with with him. I don't know what his position is on Hicks Road. Um we weren't asked by staff to consider doing Hicks Road. We were asked to do Bolton. and um from uh to Hicks Road and that's what we agreed to do um through a development agreement. We have I'm

   2:07:09The the district commissioner, Chairman, we're not gonna agree on everything. And we know that. So But have we done everything reasonable and then more than reasonable with regard to this project? Yes. But what I'd like to do is I know you had specific each of you had specific comments and and the Commissioner Yeager had a couple comments, one about going from 20 to 40, which the client is talking about with his engineer. your question about

   2:07:36Oh I think you trees by the

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   2:07:38road, yeah.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:07:39Right. So I need to look that up. What I'd like to do is listen to public comment and then come back and address the comments that the commissioner made as well as Commissioner Yeager, Chairman Mariano do it all in the right-of-way.

   2:07:54So our project our pro our traffic study is based upon all of our access to Denton and our two functional access to Denton that meet the code. And it our Denton and all the segments and the intersections of Denton meet your level of service, meet your code. There are no failures. It meets your code requirements. So we don't need Bolton. Bolton was a request by county staff to do an off-site infrastructure for the county. That's what it was, and we said, okay. But our project is based upon our accesses to Denton

   2:08:25that meet the code, our traffic analysis that meets the code. That's what our project is based upon.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:08:32I understand, but I guess Didn't

   2:08:37The the question is does Bolton help the system? Is what you're building help the system?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:08:43It's my understanding that that's why the county asked us to do it, yes. Because they're adding Bolton as a vision road with their twenty fifty comp plan. update. The

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:08:52question is does does building Bolton help the system if Hicks is not built is the question.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:08:57Okay, ask you should ask your county engineer please.

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:08:59Yes it does. So it's another way to get the Little Road. Right, 'cause Little Road because it's it's not in great shape, but it gets you to a little road. So it does definitely improve the system. And to be clear And I hope you can maybe when you take your break find out because I have asked you to get Hicks Road. So it's not like you didn't even know that existed. Even with the other client that you had, we've talked about it. So I'm sure we get some numbers we can take a look at. So I think what he's asking you for is what's the cost of the impact fee from the cost of doing both?

   2:09:30I have

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:09:30the number

   2:09:31of money.

   2:09:31And then if you

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:09:31and if you have the number, I hope you do,

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:09:34from

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:09:34Hicks Road to the South.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:09:35I do. I

   2:09:35have

   2:09:35the numbers from your county industry. And

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:09:37then what if we can look at those two, we might be able to look at how we can get those improvements done. Thank you.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:09:42I do have the numbers, so I'll pull them. Alright, thank you.

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:09:49Alright. Okay. Not s uh any other questions for staff at this point? I don't want

   Seth WeightmanVice Chair

   2:09:53yell yet. What's that? I don't want you to yell at me

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:10:00Alright, time for public comment.

   Madam Clerk

   2:10:02Okay, we have nine citizens signed up, so I'm gonna call three at a time to come up to the podium. Lisa Bicurius. Renee Haynes and Nola La Care LeClaire.

   Lisa Bacaris

   2:10:24Good afternoon, Commissioners. My name is Lisa Bacaris. I live I live at [address removed]. Which puts me right in the backyard of this proposed development. I won't stand here and repeat everything that has already been said. This community has made its concerns clear. from traffic patterns and safety

   2:10:54to the wildlife habitat and preserving the rural character of Hudson and Pasco County. Which means that for the citizens of Pasco County, including those in this room today. The responsibility now rests squarely in your hands. You have the choice and the authority. to decide what happens to our community with this project.

   2:11:26Like many here, I have watched the rur natural beauty of Florida disappear at an alarming rate, through the destruction of irreplaceable landscapes. By approving this project, as proposed, along with the continued development throughout Pasco County, You risk Selling a diamond. for the price of a piece of glass. Please exercise your authority to protect our rural communities, our

   2:11:56wildlife, and the character of this area. I respectfully asked you to vote against this rezoning. Thank you very much for your time.

   Madam Clerk

   2:12:10Thank you. Renee Haynes.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:12:21Good afternoon. I moved here about twenty five years ago from what

   Madam Clerk

   2:12:27an address?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:12:27Oh, Renee Haynes uh [address removed]. And I have been sworn. I moved here about twenty five years ago from what I call the concrete city or Dunedin Clearwater. And I moved into Hudson. Beautiful five acre lot on um Nottingham off of Hudson Avenue. We had been there maybe two years a um company came in and wanted to put Um

   2:12:59houses on between Nottingham and Family Trail. One of our neighbors who was actually um an um environmental engineer came to the county c um with us to fight the them building the houses. She said because of the water Um

   2:13:22The water table. Because we were all on Wells. Now That was Twenty years ago. Now, that project in two thousand eight, obviously with the Um, the crash, those houses never got built. Now you look at Hudson Avenue. which number one breaks my heart. Because all the construction that has been going on Now on Denton. My question is, 'cause I don't live right there, but I do live on

   2:13:52a property with a well. And I know a lot of people in on Hicks. that are all on have wells. With all this all these properties being built. I understand that you have the utilities for or and you can build the utility to do um the subdivisions, but again you're still affecting the will the wells of this area. Not to

   2:14:23mention obviously the the animals and the land itself. I would hope that you would actually think about this. We are actually killing our land.

   2:14:35and for one small piece of Pasco that's left because Dade City is ruined, Wesley Chapel's ruined. Trinity's ruined? by all this concrete if we can have one small section that still exist to nature. Thank you.

   Madam Clerk

   2:14:56Alrighty, next up is Lola Nola LeClaire. After that is Ken Howard, Tracy Lowe, and Sarah Gonzalez.

   Nola LeClaire

   2:15:05Good afternoon. My name is Nola LeClaire. I live at, and I've been sworn in. I live at [address removed]. My husband and I built our home and 10-acre farm in 2002. Mattis Road goes halfway along the east side of the proposed Denton Avenue project. Mattis Road is a private road that is owned by the property owners. It is a portion of our front yards

   2:15:35that we pay property tax on. It is not a county road to be considered as a through fare, now or in the future to attach to Bolton Avenue, We were informed by the county in the past that with the property owners agreement we could gate off our road for a gated community. We may wish to do that in the future. My husband and I currently breed Foundation

   2:16:05Quarter horses. We have a large barn, fourteen stalls, and grow hay. Mattis Road is a rural dirt road that is used by the property owners and their guests for riding horses. The proposed Denton Avenue project lots directly back up to our front yards. The Denton Avenue project plans do not have a security buffer. a privacy sense, and a decent size planning.

   2:16:37Area. on our private road, as they should have also planned on Denton Avenue and Kitten Trail to separate the unlike properties in this area. They only pride a small buffer planning. Their small, tightly packed yards will be backing up to our front yards and our private rural horseback riding country dirt road, If for some reason there is a loophole that the county

   2:17:07has to let the builder build with these incompatible small lots, the commissioners must be informed that the Denton Avenue Project with its small lots are totally incompatible and must be informed that the Denton Avenue Project with its small lots are totally incompatible and will be encroaching on a well established ten acre agricultural neighborhood and private Mattis Road

   2:17:38Horse Trail. The intrusion is against the County regulance for construction of unlike properties. Due to the complete incompatibility of Denton Avenue project with private Mattis Road and the ten acre agricultural properties, the minimum of a full buffer private security wall or fence and a Jeff generous Buffer planting should be mandatory for Mattis Road. It

   2:18:08should be mandatory to protect the integrity and value of our ten acre properties. Thank you.

   Madam Clerk

   2:18:17Ken Howard, after that, Tracy Lowe and Sarah Gonzalez.

   Ken Howard

   2:18:25Let's talk about road safety. Didn't have new traffic fatality.

   2:18:30What?

   Madam Clerk

   2:18:31Your name and address

   Ken Howard

   2:18:32Ken Howard my address and [address removed].

   Madam Clerk

   2:18:36Have you been sworn? Have you been sworn?

   Ken Howard

   2:18:39Yes.

   Madam Clerk

   2:18:40Thank you.

   Ken Howard

   2:18:41Didn't have any traffic. Fatality since twenty nineteen seven. Kitten Trail has had nine fatalities from Hicks Road to Coyote Road. Long-term residents say there is more. Backup of traffic is most likely to occur on Denton Avenue with the addition of twelve hundred plus cars daily. The overflow will definitely come on to Kitten Trail, an already two lane, rural, busy road, with school traffic, Of the t nine fatalities on Kitten Trail, let's not forget the school bus

   2:19:12accident.

   2:19:15Where there were students with injuries in 2019. As discussed to open Bolton Avenue for overflow, this will take most likely years from now. Traffic will be a mess and it'll all be a small relief to congested nightmare. We are looking at a gesture of putting in a crosswalk to proposed sidewalk. Some white white paint on the road with flashing light is not gonna make anyone any safer. Didn't have you project the West

   2:19:45of The west is 874 yards of Pasco land. and eleven residential acres. South is fourteen residential acres, east is ten residential acres. Plus undeveloped land of thirty nine acres. The difference is thirty-five residential properties of two point five acres and up. affected as in comparison to other developments with five to twenty surrounding

   2:20:16residents, all various acres, unlike Summer Chase of twelve, Blackwell of twenty, Fainley Trail five, palm winds of sixteen, Denton Place Sagebrush of seventeen, the Shackleton of nine residential acres. The comparison of busers, buffers with these properties is a long shot from what Trail Kitten Trail properties have to offer. The Planning Commissioner O suggested one acre tracks for Denton

   2:20:46Avenue project has seen the value of the homes affected by the project with overdevelopment and housing with small seventy foot wide lots

   2:20:59I'm losing my spot. A beautiful abutted to acreage and his woods, his words, estate style properties. and had offered to the developers to meet with residents to solve the opposition and possibly meet in the middle. He was ignored totally and after came back with an additional twenty foot buffer. Same as before, just twenty feet all they did, and after it came back it was show total disrespect

   2:21:30to the commissioner in Pasco County. When questioned why they can't go to larger perhaps one acre tracks The response is it is too hard to sell an acre. These words, his words, not mine. They can make larger lots, just don't have the respect for residents to do it. In addition to Planning Commission, Commissioner Meeting Commissioners were warned if they don't settle here in the meetings, we will settle it in the courts. We

   2:22:00had a close your comment, sir? Sir?

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:22:04I'm sorry.

   2:22:10Right.

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   2:22:12Your time is up, sir.

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:22:13It's all done. You get three minutes to speak. Your time is up, so just wrap up your comments if you would please.

   Ken Howard

   2:22:22My opinion is they have no respect for Pasco County, for its residents, the land, officials who serve our county by threatening to take them to the courts. If they don't get what they want If it comes to this, I say so be it. I am ready, willing, and able to help any attorneys. Thank

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:22:39you, sir.

   Madam Clerk

   2:22:40Tracy Low.

   Tracy Lowe

   2:22:45My name is Tracy Lowe. I reside at [address removed] and I have been sworn in. Good afternoon, Commissioners. Our community, our very special community, its existing infrastructure. is already failing. It's not designed to accommodate the density in the traffic this development would bring. I asked the commissioners to consider four important facts, or pardon me, three important facts. First, the drone footage I emailed to you yesterday and previously provided to

   2:23:15you. september nineteenth, twenty twenty two, showing the dangerous congestion that already occurs at the entrances and exits of our three schools on Kitten Trail. Second, please remember the tragic death of Miles Farago, a fifteen year old student who was struck and killed. while riding his bike on Kitten Trail to school. This is not a hypothetical safety concern. This d the danger is real and we have already experienced devastating consequences. Thirdly,

   2:23:47the 2021 timing and phasing analysis that was not included in the most updated plan. For this project, it identified roadway failure at Hicks Road and Kitten Trail with only a 2% population growth. 2% population growth. This is extremely concerning given that we in Costco County are experiencing a much higher growth than that. The county has recognized these concerns by installing streetlights, school

   2:24:17zones, sidewalks. We appreciate those improvements, but they do not address the fundamental issue, the additional volume the traffic in this development would create. I would also like the Commission to consider compatibility. There are thirty-one rural properties, thirty-one that are directly adjacent to this property in this development. Ranging from one to forty acres. And it's within a community of hundreds of large multi-acre rural

   2:24:47properties. Most importantly, Land Code Section 522.2B states that residential lots must be arranged in a context-sensitive manner to preserve the integrity of the rural community through buffering setbacks or a combination thereof, protecting the rural appearance from public roads and abutting properties. So I ask you. How does placing forward to six homes per acre with a 20 to 40-foot buffer

   2:25:18that will take years, years to mature, directly next to a multi-acre rural property, preserve the integrity and character of that rural community? How is that compatible? It simply does not and is not. This is not about opposing growth. It's about responsible growth, public safety, and compatibility with the community that already exists. We respectfully ask this commission to prohibit this development on to kitten prohibit all vehicular access on

   2:25:48to kitten trail. and also require adequate buffering and lot sizes on the peripheral to protect the integrity of our rural community. Thank you for your time and consideration.

   Sarah Gonzalez

   2:26:00Right.

   Madam Clerk

   2:26:01Sarah Gonzalez, then after that, Susan Bolton, Sherry Howard, and Rebecca Theft.

   Sarah Gonzalez

   2:26:08My name is Sarah Gonzalez. I'm been sworn in. I live at [address removed]. And I'm here um Because the infrastructure is not supporting this. Okay. We have all those homes going on the north side of Denton at Denton and Hicks. Okay, all that traffic's gonna flow out. Now they're speaking about this lawyer over here. how they're gonna do up Bolton up to Hicks, but they don't wanna bring Hicks in. Well what happens from that last division of Hicks to Little Road?

   2:26:39Have you ever driven down just that one block? It's big potholes. So there they're gonna come up to Hicks with Bolton. Okay, but they're not gonna do anything else. Another thing is, is there's no infrastructure for this. There's a lot of us that are on wells, as these people that are backed right up to this community have to worry about. I'm a little further away. However, again, all these places on Denton Road on the north side, they're got county water coming to 'em. Denton Rose completely counting water. They have it all in

   2:27:09there. Kitten trail, none. Okay, none. So that 14.5. That lady's fighting to get just it split. There's 300 you guys are fighting for right now, Denton and Kitten combined. Now understanding that the north side is also combined with this. So the lawyers of the builders can sue all they want and have all the money to support that. However, all these beautiful Sidewalks are great. I have a friend that got hit on Kitten Trail. I mean, excuse me, Denton. Middle of the night, dark as heck. Since I've lived there for nine years, some other kids

   2:27:39got killed out there. They hit that divider, ended up in that field, dead. Okay, so the sub support of these roadways is not gonna happen. You got two-lane roadways. They think the in Proven of that East east uh road corner right there. It's a mess right now, okay? Adding that turn lane in may help, but it's not gonna resolve it. It is not gonna resolve it. My friend got hit in the middle of the night so bad that the guy did not even know he hit her. He hit her again, thought it was a deer.

   2:28:10Okay, so we're gonna feed in this community you guys want to put there, and plus you want to put construction commercial in there. Okay, so what are we gonna look like down at Hudson and uh Hays Road and have these big rigs or commercial buildings that are gonna be in there as well as another 800 and something homes in there? Again, you guys are gonna bring that county water in But what's gonna support the rest of our wells that are gonna get affected? I'm a little further out than them. But again,

   2:28:40it's all I'm up in Shady Hills. We're getting hammered. Again they stated, We're the last little rural area of Pasco. Why can you guys not try to protect some of our area? We need our land. We need the aquifiers that can replenish. We need the wildlife. We need to be able to farm our own food. Pretty soon we're not gonna have any land to be able to provide ourselves. It's data centers, solar, um, you know, development, houses, uh commercial,

   2:29:10commercial, cement, cement, cement. Cement just brings heat. It doesn't help to anything. So I'm asking the commissioners to re-look at this, and I know I'm up, but I am asking you to reconsider the development going here. I understand that the builders are very prominent with their lawsuits and their funds and their money that backed them. However, this is our last little rural area. They're not bringing any proposal to widen the roads. More

   2:29:41than two lanes. Yeah, they're gonna develop part of Bolton.

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:29:44Damn, it's three minutes. We gotta stop.

   Sarah Gonzalez

   2:29:45Thank you, but I'm asking you to reconsider it. Susan Bolton

   Madam Clerk

   2:29:50And then Sherry Howard?

   Susan BoltonDisputed

   2:30:00My name is Susan Bolton. I live at [address removed]. I have a few concerns. Have you been sworn? Yes, I was. Thank you. Um First of all, in ninety six my husband and I bought this Between three and four acre

   2:30:21And nine years later we put a new home in and We had to remove the old residents before we would be able to get the um C O because of the fact that at that time you had to have at least two acres per resident and we would have only had um less than another acre. in order to have the second home there. Um the traffic is absolutely

   2:30:51unbelievable there. I have had many times where I was getting ready to turn left into my driveway and there were cars went around me and went between my mailbox and my fence. Um right where my property is is I'm very low. We've had 11 inches of rain in the last week and yesterday I still had standing water from the 11 inches of rain. What's gonna happen when that's all cemented in up there and I'm in a low

   2:31:21place? You know, will the water go away? Yeah. Um

   2:31:30Uh other than that, all I can say is there's just too much traffic. I work for the schools, so I know how much traffic goes in and out of there as far as transportation goes. Thank you for listening to our complaints today. Please consider keeping us rural. Thank you.

   Madam Clerk

   2:31:50Next is Sherry Howard and then is Rebecca Teft.

   Sherry HowardDisputed

   2:32:00My name is Sherri Howard. I live at [address removed] and I was sworn in. So Tracy just spoke about um zoning stance section 522.2. I don't know if I need to read this to you. I believe I can just skip to the most important Um

   2:32:23Yeah, in addition the comprehensive plan The location of residential development lots shall be arranged in a context sensitive manner, such as they preserve the integrity of the rural community, by buffering setbacks or a combination thereof, to protect and preserve the rural appearance of land when viewed from public roads and abutting properties. I'm in a budding property. Current site plan.

   2:32:55Set a forty foot buffer on properties on Kitten Trail and a twenty foot buffer for Mattis and Dennis and a private road off of Kitten Trail.

   2:33:06Trail uh kitten trail properties range from two and a half to eighteen acres. Dennis is nearly an acre to four acres and Maddis farms are ten acres. Private roads off of Kitten is three point nine to thirty acres. Personally we have two and a half nearly two and a half acres. where we have 185 feet that abuts the developer's property. With the current site plan, we would have two and a half houses across the back of our property. Now

   2:33:37even with a forty foot buffer, and a bright white plastic fence and all of the shrubbery they're talking about putting in, which will reach maturity at like fifteen years. Um, I still get two and a half houses in my backyard. I ask, how d does this preserve our rural community. I believe a forty foot buffer and minimum of one acre lots around the perimeter would

   2:34:08better help preserve this rural community. Thank you for your consideration. There you go.

   Madam Clerk

   2:34:15Rebecca Tipped.

   Rebecca Taft

   2:34:24Hello, I I've been Swarn. Rebecca Tech, [address removed]. Um, as I hear these people talk about being directly related, my heart goes out to them. Then I am here to talk about The letter Um from the Water Resource Association dated April 21st, 2021. Can you guys have a little bit more? Have that while I speak. This is about The

   2:34:54environmental protection and what they're going to do with all the wildlife that they will destroy. What they're going to do with the gopher tortoise, the indigo snake, the keystroll, the bald eagle, the sandhill crane. It is rich in in threatened, protected, and endangered. Species there. And it talks about with the Federal, the Florida Wildlife Commission has all these regulations on how you move a tortoise and how you have to build

   2:35:24its home and where you put it, then someone has to watch it for two years to make sure it survives. Now, I don't see anything if there was an update that says who's going to do that. And otherwise they can pay half a million dollars and destroy en stroke animals that some Some are critically endangered. You know, they're not only threatened and then the more that we develop, the more threatened they will become. And this

   2:35:54is part of why we love Florida. You know, this is part Th these are jewels and treasures. You know, they're also magnolia, the southern magnolia, the live oak tree. And I don't see anything where they said how big they are, which ones they're going to leave, which ones they're going to destroy. Did they do this grading after this report? If they did, they've already destroyed a number of gopher tortoise burrow. So

   2:36:26I don't see an update if there is one. I just would like you to take a look at that. I would like us in the future to consider, you know, you could go into a an area and and build around existing trees. You you can do that without just like tearing everything down and actually have it free from the start instead of having to wait. thirty years for it to be attractive again. So that's all I gotta say. Thank you very much. Good

   2:36:56luck.

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:36:59And that's the last person signed up.

   Ann Atkison

   2:37:01For

   Rebecca Taft

   2:37:01this item correctly.

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:37:02Is there anyone else here that likes to speak to this item? Please come forward. And is there anyone else after this lady who would like to speak? Please come forward.

   Ann Atkison

   2:37:08Hi, my name is Ann Atkison. I live at [address removed]. I have been sworn in. I'm one of the many property owners directly affected by the decision you'll make today. Please consider the following In addition to the 522.2 that were spoken about earlier, I also wanted to add in add in the Land Code 522.4. Says land uses near the periphery of the MPUD, the EC MPUD, or the commercial MPUDs will be planned so as to be compatible

   2:37:39with neighboring areas. Compatibility may be achieved through design that respects the context of the adjacent uses. These are statements that are supposed to be protecting the surrounding properties with an appropriate transition when blending densities. The Denton Avenue project continues to ignore the lot sizing aspect of appropriate transition. They are only providing a buffer zone that does not provide a hundred percent opacity until the trees are mature, which takes years and years. That's

   2:38:10if they survive. The Denton Avenue project needs to be made to provide an appropriate transition that includes lot sizes that blend with the existing lot sizes around the perimeter. The general standards of compatibility of use guidelines state this clearly. The definition of compatibility per the Oxford languages is a state in which two things are able to exist or occur together. without problems or conflict. We are not there yet. We

   2:38:40can only get there with a no vote by you, and you demanding the developer to redesign the peripheral lot sizes, to meet the goals of preserving the integrity of the rural community. and to be compatible with design that respects the context of the adjacent uses. We have asked this of the developer from the beginning, at each neighborhood meeting, and over and over at the planning and zoning meetings. Still there are no changes. I've been a real estate agent for more than twenty five years. There are plenty of buyers looking for homes

   2:39:10with land. There are builders that will purchase lots bigger than seventy by a hundred and twenty. The Denton Avenue project has options to fulfill their profit needs. So I'm asking you to vote no on the plan presented today. Please demand the developer to go back and make the lot sizes at least an acre each on the perimeter. This would be an appropriate transition. The decision you make today. Is it a a decision that affects all of us daily?

   Planning and Development staff

   2:39:41Forever. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:39:53Good afternoon. Skyler Talley, uh reside at [address removed]. My property's uh

   Madam Clerk

   2:39:59Have you been sworn?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:40:00Uh I have not been sworn.

   Madam Clerk

   2:40:01Okay. Raise your right hand for me, please.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:40:03I can do that.

   Madam Clerk

   2:40:04Do you swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give is the truth, so help you God.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:40:09Absolutely.

   2:40:11My property's adjacent on the uh south western I haven't gotten a lot of sleep. Southwestern corner over there. I got two and a half acres. Um You know, I've been doing off these meetings. I understand uh the property owners' rights to develop are really important to commission, to county, and to me. I think I want to be able to develop my property the way I want to as well. Uh we talk a lot about the preserving

   2:40:42the rural community and uh transition, I mean Nobody can look at two and a half acres as an average bordering this property and think that putting three houses per acre is a transition. That j it just doesn't doesn't mesh. It doesn't make sense. And I know the development's gonna happen, but I also don't think it's unreasonable to ask for an easier transition for all

   2:41:13the existing community that has large lots, that has this rural lifestyle. And then inside the community, they can put the small lots because the people who are moving in already know. what they're dealing with. They already know what they're coming into. They already have to deal with that. But then we have a transition from rural community into this massive development. That is going to probably quadruplicate

   2:41:44the amount of community members in a small area. That's it's a lot. Uh beyond that, I me there's been a lot of talk about the infrastructure. I mean the infrastructure on we're gonna just talk about Denton. Forget about Bolton. Bolton's a Bolton's a mess. Bolton trying to connect Hicks, Bolton can go across and go back to the dirt road and that dirt road is Not good. It's nowhere that I would want to drive down every day. But If Hicks isn't gonna connect, even if it does, we gonna

   2:42:14go Hicks to Bolton. Denton is terrible. Denton is an unsafe road. There's not enough Planning. and development in that area to support a community this size yet. And I'm not saying there won't be. But to try and put something in of this scale without that kind of planning done by the county, down by the city. Planning done by the people who have to

   2:42:44think about their safety. Of the community. it just doesn't work. And I ask that these things be considered and

   2:42:58That's about all I can really ask of you guys. But thank you so much for your time and listening to what I have to say.

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:43:03Thank you.

   2:43:08See one more speaker coming up. Does anyone else please get behind this speaker? Then we're gonna go close public comment or go to online. Anyone online?

   Madam Clerk

   2:43:15There's no one online.

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:43:16Okay. So if there's no one else after this gentleman want to close public comment?

   Marina owner

   2:43:22Good afternoon. Tim Lowe, 10408, uh Kitten Trail. Commissioner Chairman, thank you for the opportunity to speak today. Yes, ma'am, I have been sworn. Thank you. Two concerns I'd like to bring up, traffic and compatibility. I know we've spoken about both of these at length. The traffic we believe is real. I've lived off Kitten Trail for 26 years now. And it's grown year after year. It's going to continue to grow. So my big concern is the traffic study that was done four years ago was out

   2:43:52of date and did not take in consideration the Denton Place project or other large projects that have been either approved or completed since then. I would like to ask the uh board to request an updated traffic study so we can have a more realistic. View of what can be handled by the infrastructure in that area. Compatibility, I think if we look at the context map. Over here, the big red square speaks for itself. Anybody

   2:44:23can look at that and realize how incompatible that is with our rural area. All of the properties surrounding it and in that general area of that aerial are one to forty acres, let's say. So Not uh I don't believe there's a buffer large enough that's going to create a applicable um transition from a 40-foot, 50-foot, 70-foot lot to a multi-acre property.

   2:44:54Some of the surrounding properties, whether they be two acres all the way up to 30 acres, to give you some context, I guess, of the density that is before you today, if you own a five-acre parcel on the perimeter, you could fit 37 of these proposed lots on your five-acre parcel. If you had a 10-acre parcel. You could just double that number. It's it's easy math. Um not not compatible in the least. So We

   2:45:25would like to ask the board to request a better transition between this project and the surrounding area, just like the Planning Commission attempted to do. The Planning Commission spoke that they would not approve this project with the lot sizes as proposed and requested the applicant to come back with one-acre perimeter lots. The applicant came back, did not change the size of the lots, and it was recommended for

   2:45:55approval in fear of a lawsuit. So we just we want the board to listen to the residents. Let's let's try to get a better buffer, at least some larger lots. And ensure that the infrastructure is in place to receive the traffic. Thank you for your time.

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:46:15Sorry. Alright, that should close public comment. We'll bring the applicant back up.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:46:25Thank you, Commissioner. Barbara Wilhite, sixty-three twenty-seven, Graham Boulevard.

   2:46:32Commissioner Yeager. So condition 15 reads, each single family detached lot shall have a minimum of two shade trees. One of which has to be in the front yard and can be either a street tree or a lot tree. So we have to have at least one shade tree in our front yard. We can either do it in the street or in our lot. Okay. And then we have to have a second shade tree as well, which we can have on the side or the back. Okay, quick question.

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   2:46:57Um, to answer this gentleman's um question, has there been an updated traffic study?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:47:02Yes. I'm not sure why they're referring to the 2021 traffic study. We did update it. Uh Mike Razor can go over that with you and we'll bring him up. Um we updated it when we changed because we had a different project in 2021. We had access to kitten. We took the access away from kitten. We had different um number of units. We had 1632 versus 832. So yes, we did an updated traffic study. Um it's in the record. It's in y it's in the uh agenda documents that the staff provided.

   2:47:33So but that's the true answer. Um

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:47:35Wha what year is the study done then?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:47:37Twenty twenty five? Yeah, twenty twenty five. I think it's December twenty twenty five. Yeah. I just looked at the other yesterday.

   Seth WeightmanVice Chair

   2:47:45Uh Ms. Ms. Watt, follow up on the traffic study. So current today The current land use today allows one thousand four hundred and sixty-two homes to be built today without us coming back in and

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:48:00that's the land use. Right. So you have to zone. Correct.

   Seth WeightmanVice Chair

   2:48:05Well based on the land use value of this property, fourteen hundred and sixty two homes can be Built. You all are proposing eight hundred and thirty-two homes to be built, six hundred and thirty less than what your future land use recommends. So is your traffic study going to be based upon the fourteen hundred sixty-two units based on your existing land use today, or is it based upon On the eight hundred and thirty-two units that we have.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:48:34Our traffic study today is based on the eight hundred and thirty-two units plus the industrial and commercial.

   Seth WeightmanVice Chair

   2:48:39Okay.

   Nectarios Pittos

   2:48:47Okay, thank you.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:48:48So I can I can go through you've heard quite a few comments over and over and over. You heard about rural, rural, rural. There are four you know this, there are four rural areas in this county. The Board of County Commissioners including you, uh Chairman Mariano, specifically put uh policies into the comprehensive plan. In 2006, to define the rural areas and give special protections. The reason why this property was not included in the properties surrounding it because since 1989 there was res 3 land uses which are not rural. All of our surrounding properties have res

   2:49:193 land uses. We have res 6 and res 3 land uses. So it's absolutely not a rural area. We have res 6 land use, your land use that you put on the property. Okay. The um

   2:49:33Mattis Road, I I've heard the neighbor I haven't heard that neighbors speak before in our meetings, but um Mattis Road is a county road pursuant to their records, is a county maintained road, pursuant to their records. But I did listen and one of the things that property owner asked for was a full fence and buffer plan. We did that. The um We did that in between our third and fourth meeting is what we did, 'cause we listened to those same comments. The 22 drone frontage

   2:50:04footage, I'm familiar with that that um footage taken on uh Friday, August 12, 2022. Uh the first day of school that year was August 10, uh 10th, 2022, so it was the second day of school that year. We saw that. We heard all the comments in twenty twenty two, read the hundred pages of comments regarding our project and what we proposed at that time, including access to Kitten Road, Kitten Trail. What's interesting is what we did after 2022 and listening to that comment, we went to the school board and we said, tell us if our kids will be bust. Mm

   2:50:34yeah.

   2:50:37On february twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, Christopher Williams responded the kids from this school this project will be bust. So we didn't ignore that comment. We didn't ignore that drint dr drone footage. We confirmed that our children will be bust.

   2:50:53You heard a lot of testimony about compatibility. Well, I wouldn't call it testimony, a comment about compatibility and blending of densities. Commissioner Oakley. Oh, did you I didn't want to keep talking when you wanted to talk, sorry.

   Ron Oakley

   2:51:08Well, your talking is fine, but the fact of it is, the entire time you've been presenting this for your clients. Every time they were asked to do something, they've actually done it. They've come back and made the changes time and time again. And you've got a beautiful project. So but we keep going on about it, but it's the fact of it is they have met exactly what they've been asked for by the community around them to

   2:51:38do and they've been doing it every time.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:51:42Thank you. I I'm personally invested in that for all these years and proud to present this to you because of the work that we have done. You heard about 522.2B of the code. That is a code provision that deals with blending of densities. As I tried to explain, I'm surprised it's still being cited to you. We are not blending densities under the code, under the comp plan or the code. We took our res three and said this is our maximum density of three units per acre. And we came in under that density for the res 3 area.

   2:52:12We took our six and what our maximum was allowed at six and we came in under that density. We are not blending densities. I know people like to cherry pick language out of your code and your comp plant, it happens all the time. But you actually have to read the code. With regard to um compatibility

   2:52:29We after Planning Commission, the first Planning Commission hearing, which I continued, because I wanted I just listened to the commentary and listened to the concerns. We went in and did a consistency analysis. We took all of your projects in the area that the board had approved and saw what the compatibility was. What's the what's the lot size next door? What's the lot sizes being proposed well that were approved? What's the buffers? And we went project by project in this area. and showed that we are absolutely meeting and exceeding any compatibility requirement and approval that

   2:52:59you've done in this area before. Um We have so that's what the difference was with Planning Commission. I wasn't I didn't threaten a lawsuit. Never I don't think you've ever seen me threaten a lawsuit in my life. Um been working with the county for 31 years, never threatened a lawsuit. So that wasn't it. We went through and showed what compatibility means under your code, under your comp plan, and with regard to your approvals. Um I can show you what compatibility means. Summer

   2:53:29Chase has 60 foot lots up to our northeast. They have LDC compliant buffers and they're compatible with 12.92 acres, 6.51 acres. I mean it could go on and on and on about compatibility. I feel very strongly that we've we could have we could have looked at these examples and said this is what compatibility means, but we exceeded it. We could have looked at Denton Place on the north side, which was approved by this board and said that's 40 foot lots next to five acre lots with a with a minimum landscape buffer and that's compatible.

   2:54:00But no, we didn't do that. We exceeded your code requires 10 feet. We did 20 down by kittens we doubled it already from 10 to 20 and then down along kitten we went to four

   2:54:12Let me just hit a couple more notes, and I know I still have your question to answer about buffering, Commissioner. With regard to the trees, I think in the animals, we have a listed species survey. We have many conditions of approval regarding listed species. Those list of species surveys, the county only accepts them for um six months and then you have to be re redone. And they have to be redone at site plan. So preliminary development plan, site plan, we'll be redoing those surveys. We do know what trees we're saying to be able to save in our buffers

   2:54:42because we actually did the grading plan. Most of my clients say, I don't know if I can save a tree or not. I don't know what my grading is going to be. We did the grading plan. We made the commitment to keep all the existing vegetation within our buffers, a commitment that I've never made before and didn't have a client make before. So um

   2:55:01With that, I could probably go on and on and on with lots and lots and lots of facts and things. I would say on Mattis Drive, Mattis Road, um There are six homes.

   2:55:14The ask to um pave an off site county dirt road Um that we have no access to is unreasonable. We have no impact to it. Um we've agreed to do Bolton and I was con Comparing notes with your county engineer and I know he'll come up here and tell you about the cost of these different roads 'cause it's better to hear from him than me. But Bolton is a big commitment by this client. He's actually estimating that commitment to be about 10 million. Again, bring him up here, you can ask him questions, which is right at

   2:55:45our our mobility fee generation. So and we have to absorb that as well. So there's a lot that goes into a client agreeing to take on the commitment we've already made for Bolton. With regard to Maddis, the county already has it has a dusty road exemption through Swift Mud. The county can pave it. It's a county-maintained road. What's really going on on Mattis Road is what one of the client one of the um neighbors testified at Planning Commission, Miss DC from 15620

   2:56:15Mattis Road, she testified at Planning Commission. The neighbors want it paved that have a business at the end of the road. So what's really going on b on Mattis Road is there's a business at the end of that road. A business that has um Suns Sunshine Farms market open to the public. Tuesday through Thursday, nine to six, Saturday, nine to four, Petting Zoo, Tuesday to Saturday, open to public. Forty students at a s at a day school, summer camps for ten weeks, toddler time, Farmstead Festival on October third,

   2:56:46twenty twenty six, ticketed to the public. paid vendor spots. That's what's really going on in Mattis Road. So that's what that's really about, is that request, I believe. I think it's an reasonable request. I can say that the this business has not gone through per staff, because I asked. This business has not gone through substantive road review, which would be the proper review for the proper party who's impacting that road. It's not our project, and it's not the six homes on that project. It is a business located. at the south side of Mattis Road. So I

   2:57:16have taken as Commissioner Oakley said, I have taken every suggestion seriously and looked at 'em. But I absolutely feel that trying to to pull Mattis Road into this project and have us Pave. A road um that we have no impact on. for a business who has not gone through their own proper reviews, is not reasonable.

   2:57:40So Just wanted to kinda let you know what I thought about Mattis Road.

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:57:45So so Commissioner Yeager.

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   2:57:47No, just um My concern honestly is is all the the traffic and I'm I'm pulling up Kitten Trail and it doesn't look like there's any sidewalks on Kitten Trail.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:57:58There will be 1.74 miles. You have a CIP project right now and they're putting a sidewalk in on the south side of Kitten all the way from the east of our project all the way down to Hicks. So there will be a sidewalk by the time this project comes in online. you'll have that sidewalk. You after the death of the student, um the county Expedited. Expedited making sure there was a sidewalk on Kitten Trail and they're executing on that promise to that community to get that sidewalk on Kitten Trail.

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:58:25And that is under construction right now. And if I could, I'll just say this to our engineer. Please go check it out. Make sure it is elevated high enough. I've heard some discussion that maybe it's not quite high enough. So if you would just make sure we do have enough height out there.

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   2:58:39And will th will people also have access to h does this connect to Shady Hills Road anywhere?

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:58:46No.

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   2:58:47Yeah. Okay.

   2:58:52That's the only thing that concerns me is are the are the kids and and the traffic. It's

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:58:57Well and that's in commission that's why one there's a sidewalk going in and two we're continuing that sidewalk. Right now Kids cannot go from the school to your park. They will be able to go safely from your school. to your park through this project. And and crossings on Kitten, enhanced crossings on Kitten, and enhanced crossing on Denton. At some point as our non-residential develops, staff and and our traffic engineer is anticipating that we'll have a signal at our entrance. So then we'll have a signalized

   2:59:27intersection for people to cross Denton, but until then we'll have the enhanced pedestrian crossing. And then we made sure when they get across Denton, it got across Denton, they don't have to walk in the dirt.

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   2:59:37And

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:59:37then

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   2:59:38all three school all three um elementary, middle and high will all be bust?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:59:43They'll be bust.

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   2:59:44All of them,

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:59:45okay.

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   2:59:45So you're two miles out from the

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:59:47We are two miles out, yes. We did that work in in relation to the comments made in twenty twenty two.

   Lisa YeagerSecond Vice Chair

   2:59:56And just my last question, is that road in failure right now? The kitten trail? Or not yet?

   Barbara Wilhite

   3:00:02I don't know um kitten trail because we don't have any we did not analyze kit kitten trail because we don't have any impact on kitten trail because we're not accessing kitten trail any longer. Oh that's right. So yes. Our access is off a dentin. Denton, okay. And there are no failures in our traffic study.

   3:00:21And Commissioner Oakley. Um As Commissioner Oakley said, we keep agreeing and agreeing and agreeing. Um but if We are my clients agreeable to do in the forty foot buffer all the way around where we have twenty foot buffers, so it'll all be forty.

   Ron Oakley

   3:00:36How many years ago did we start?

   Barbara Wilhite

   3:00:38Twenty one, five years ago.

   Ron Oakley

   3:00:39I'll guarantee you the traffic you're thinking about wasn't here in 21. But it has come ever since. And they haven't added anything to it because they haven't even built their project yet.

   Barbara Wilhite

   3:00:51Yeah, and our traffic study, I mean I I traffic study does not have any failures. It meets the code, it it We we studied it. Um We have no failures. The county's doing a project at Little and Denton and they're doing the project at Little and East. County's doing the sidewalk. We're doing Bolton. We're doing I there's a lot going on here that we're we're adding um achieving a balance. We took it seriously five years ago. We stopped in 2022 when we heard the community concerns we stopped

   3:01:22We stopped after three community meetings. And we're here today to to ask for your support.

   Jack MarianoChair

   3:01:29So I'll say as far as like addressing every concern, it's not quite true. And I'll say, I'm worried about your residence along Mattis Road. Not the Mattis Road people, but your people are right there. Because when the dirt road gets trafficked, dust is gonna fly up and over, it's gonna hit those homes. No, it's up to you guys to let the people know, but somehow I think everybody on that border from Mattis Roads needs to be some type of verbiage in there to notice them that they're next to a dirt road.

   3:02:00That's fine. Dust may accumulate.

   Barbara Wilhite

   3:02:01That's fine.

   Jack MarianoChair

   3:02:02So I'll give you time to work with staff on that to put a condition in for that where some type of notice becomes as far as what's beside them with the dirt road. that they're noticed.

   Barbara Wilhite

   3:02:11We are happy to do them.

   Jack MarianoChair

   3:02:13Um I will say that I wish it would come to me before because that little connection that was by the commercial, which I complained about, was not going to be sufficient, is just about addressed at Bolton Avenue. And looking at the impact fee numbers from what you mentioned, what it takes to build it. Sorry, gotta be right above on the on the penny for what it takes because you gotta do the sidewalk above that. So every dollar of the impact fee that this project's gonna generate is gonna get spent right here, which is a big positive. Um I

   3:02:43do I would like to work with you guys as we go forward with Bolton Avenue Extension Because if we can work with you to help you with the base, maybe that helps us get a little bit more road done and maybe we can get some of that Hicks road done started or at least moving forward. So I think being that you're gonna you're gonna cause you're gonna construct it, correct?

   Barbara Wilhite

   3:03:04We're gonna construct Fulton to Hicks and we have a DA that's gonna come per se hopefully hopefully this will be approved today. And then we can work on the DA and work with doubt the specific details of that construction. We can have all those those.

   Jack MarianoChair

   3:03:17So between your sidewalks and your road base, we may have some savings jointly. That can go that maybe will get the stretch to get that road done. Cause still literally a lot of people, as the gentleman said, either we're gonna spend money on finishing Voltenev out to Little Road, or we can bring it down to Hicks Road, which is still gonna be a lot better and safer. It would improve the neighborhood dramatically far that. Uh Um so I'm I'm going to say that the improvements you've made from when you first started

   3:03:47dramatically better. Um I think all the residents made great concerns, but the game the land use that's there into the subsequent improvements that have been done, then I think this could actually help. Help, especially for anybody down to the south getting up to the park. It could be a positive. Again, that Bolt Nev extension is something I want to get with you, Barbara, directly with your other clients who will work on an industrial park to get that funded. I think there's no great opportunity now we didn't have before that I've talked about that could create

   3:04:17some jobs, maybe like an AM skills program up there for the students. at these schools and maybe enab people enabled to get jobs right there that would help the neighborhood com community dram dramatically. So I think there'd be some dramatic improvements. But if we could work together and if I can work a condition language if we could, maybe David can coach me on that. Well, to work with the county to put a base and uh aggregate in for the sidewalks that are gonna be done.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:04:47I think you can deal with that with the development agreement. When the development agreement comes back, we can work on that language. Okay. The development agreement has to come back to you.

   Jack MarianoChair

   3:04:54Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:04:54At the same

   Jack MarianoChair

   3:04:55time you can have the language in

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:04:56for the Mattis Road. Yeah, we'll add the Mattis Road needs to be a condition of the MPUDs that's a disclosure requirement. Okay. But that's something

   Barbara Wilhite

   3:05:05We c we can include it in your emotion if an emotion we'll David and I can do that. We have a disclosure condition that we just add to We have one sixty three.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:05:18Yeah, Barbara and I can work on the disclosure language. There's already a disclosure condition in the MPUDs gotta add some language about the dust from Mattis Road.

   Jack MarianoChair

   3:05:28I do. I just want to say a couple more things first. Yeah, I do want that added. I'll make that move. Alright, but let me let me have a little more discussion first. Okay. So for the citizens, um this has been something that started out to be a lot worse. Um your input has been dramatically affected how this project has come out. You force them to work with the land use they've had and work with it and even keeping the industrial, which was going to go to residential when they first started, that's now staying industrial as well,

   3:05:58light industrial. So the improvements of not affecting kitten trail anymore, having buses taking these kids to come in will minimize the traffic that would have dramatically affected that whole area. Um so and and again caught me by surprise today because I would have thought you would have that conversation with me, frankly, and my staff as well as you. That was a big, big deal for me as far as getting that done because Hicks Road, again, the Vision Road sitting there for 10 years plus, would have liked to have that. But

   3:06:29I think we've done the very best we can and I listen to the people that I sit with and I think we've got about the best we can possibly get. Well it's

   Ron Oakley

   3:06:40a good project. Yeah. I

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:06:41would also remind the chair that you have a financial commitment, I believe, from the Denton Place MPU and I don't know if that money could be used for Hicks Road.

   Barbara Wilhite

   3:06:48It can.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:06:49Great point.

   Barbara Wilhite

   3:06:50For the MPV condition again. Obviously you're to your several for that button. But yes. And there's I think I had the in my mind.

   Seth WeightmanVice Chair

   3:06:57Yeah, Chair, I mean you're telling one section is three homes per acre coming in at two point five units per acre, which is less and in the res six parcel, six units per acre, you're coming in at three.

   Barbara Wilhite

   3:07:12Yeah, that's net. It's even lower if you do gross.

   Seth WeightmanVice Chair

   3:07:16This project has certainly come in half or less than than what their current entitlements are. Which in my opinion is a huge win because based on by right, by state law and property right and including everybody in here, if you have a future land use designation of if you own forty acres there and you have a res six or a res three uh future land use, you can come in and apply to have that same level of density and and sell your property with that with that value and These two large

   3:07:46tracks are coming in at less than what their future entitlement is and um uh that's that's a win. That's a win.

   Jack MarianoChair

   3:07:54And I'll say that the b just to touch touch Bolton Avenue, you know, by him having them do Bolton Avenue gets done quicker, which keeps the cost down because of rate of inflation the way it could be. Could dramatically rise if it wasn't done right away. What?

   Ron Oakley

   3:08:11To the board.

   3:08:14I make the motion. I I don't know the exact wording David wanted to use on that.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:08:19Um I think the motion would be for approval and to add the condition to the MPD that um they disclose the additional potential dust on Mattis Road. Does that be added to the MPD condition? Did they disclose that to any property owners, any homes along Mattis Road? Go

   Jack MarianoChair

   3:08:40for the motion maker. Uh Oakley is

   3:08:45Cat Catherine Minnesota. Catherine second. Right. Catherine Minnesecond. Catherine motion good motion uh the second are good with the motion? With the addition with attorney Gold Science said. Alright, we have a motion, a second, roll call vote.

   Madam Clerk

   3:08:57District one, Commissioner Oakley.

   Jack MarianoChair

   3:08:59Ah

   Madam Clerk

   3:08:59District Two, Commissioner Weightman. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Yeager. Aye. District five, Chairman Mariano.

   Jack MarianoChair

   3:09:09Aye. Motion passed.

   3:09:13Make we all.