PDE-26-7926

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Heard once, at the Planning Commission on Jul 23, 2026.

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Zoning Amendment (Regular) – Landlark, LLC/Kitten Trail Farms – Change in Zoning from an A-C Agricultural District to an A-R Agricultural-Residential District – Northwest Pasco County – South Side of Kitten Trail, Approximately One Mile East from the Intersection of Kitten Trail and Hicks Road – Containing Approximately 14.57 Acres.

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1Jul 23, 2026
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Moody
Item P10. This is the last item we have on the agenda today. It's PDE 267926, a zoning amendment in the name of Landmark LLC Kitten Trail Farms for a change in zoning from an AC agricultural district to an AR agricultural residential district in northwest Pasco County on the south side of Kitten Trail, approximately one mile east of the intersection of Kitten Trail and Hicks Road, containing approximately 14.5. And this is coming with a recommendation of denial to the Board of County Commissioners of the proposed
rezoning request to be presented by staff.
GreyChair
Do we
Christopher Poole
peek in? So we have to do that. Which one is this? I think it's P10. P10. It says recommendations. Yeah, for recommending approval on the memo.
GreyChair
You just checking as if I'm paying attention.
Amy Heiler
Yeah, we're recommending approval.
GreyChair
Yeah.
Liam Devine
It says it in the memo and it also says it on the agenda. Denial
Amy Heiler
or approval? Approval or recommending approval on this one.
Connected City
All right.
Okay. I think you just gave the applicant a heart attack.
Amy Heiler
Alright. Fun stuff. Amy Toll Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. So item P10 is PDE 26-7926. It's a zoning amendment requesting a change from AC Agricultural District to an AR agricultural residential district. As previously stated, this is a Euclidean rezoning. The purpose of the presentation was we did have some. Letters of opposition on this, so we'll go through a brief presentation. So they are requesting a change to AR.
The future land use is res three residential three dwelling units per gross acre. They are proposing to rezone to allow for a split of the subject site to two and a half acre lots. It is located on the south side of Kitten Trail, approximately one mile east of the intersection of Kitten Trail and Hickory. Road. This is the county location map. It is in the North Market area. Here's the aerial view of the subject site. It is approximately fourteen acres.
Here's a context map showing the area and what's in context of the subject site.
Future land use is residential three dwelling units per gross acre. the existing zoning district of A C Agricultural District,
And some of the findings of fact. So the subject site is currently vacant. It used to operate as a blueberry farm on 14.57 acres. Access to the property is from Kitten Trail, which is a county-maintained collector roadway with approximately 50 feet of right-of-way. There is a capital improvement project on that trail to construct a five-foot sidewalk that's currently past the design phase and working. Through the construction phase. The five-foot sidewalk is going to be from Gideup Lane to
Hicks Road. And the applicant has volunteered to record a deed restriction. So we are we worked with the applicant and the district commissioner on this item. There is a voluntary deed restriction to address the Live Local since this is going to an agricultural zoning district and then also limit the size of the lots to two and a half acres. And with that we recommend approval of the proposed rezoning and we can answer any questions you might might have.
GreyChair
Okay.
Amy Heiler
Absolutely.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Um can you go back? You said the purpose was to split The parent parcel. Are we talking about just splitting this into two lots or it will be platted into however many two and a half acre lots which
Amy Heiler
put on it? Right. So the original intent was just for two lots, but the applicant would like the ability to be able to split it into more later on. So right now the uh narrative is for two lots, but they want to just have that flexibility.
Correct.
GreyChair
Okay, any other questions for Amy? Not for Amy.
Four.
Amy Heiler
I do have an answer to that.
Liam Devine
Well then I'll ask my question to you. Is the applicant proposing a sight belt home or mobile home?
Amy Heiler
Right. So um I did ask that inquire with the applicant. She can come up and confirm if need be, but right now they are unaware of doing either or. Um they just want to be able to split the property. So that's gonna be handled by whoever ends up obtaining the property.
Liam Devine
So is the intent to also have Those homes with ADU units?
Amy Heiler
Yes. Well, let me just say they did not want to restrict ADUs. So there is an opportunity for ADUs to occur in this plat in this scenario, yes.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
But our ADU ordinance does not allow for ADUs to be mobile home.
Amy Heiler
Correct,
Liam Devine
correct. Then my next question would be is did the applicant or staff think about having it as an ER2 district, which requires a two and a half acre lot and does not allow commercial farming?
Amy Heiler
Sure.
Liam Devine
So then you would not also need that D. Research on
Amy Heiler
at the initial review of the application, ER was not one of the zoning districts that we evaluated just because it wasn't in the immediate proximity. But as we did discuss, there are ER zoning districts about three thousand 3,000 feet away. So if the board or commission is amenable to something like that, we could take a look.
Yeah.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Okay. Good question on the ADUs. Okay. So we don't allow mobiles as ADUs. But is this a case where one could have a principal structure that's a mobile and then an ADU which is site built?
Amy Heiler
Possibly. Yeah, so the mobile homes are permitted in the AR district as long as the ADU would come in under the twelve hundred square feet, then yes. Are mobiles
Connected City
permitted in ER?
Amy Heiler
In ER no.
Liam Devine
No.
But if they want ADUs, I think that's a good thing.
So that that's why my first question was is the applicant proposing a site built home or are they proposing a mobile home?
Amy Heiler
Yeah, right now they don't have an answer to that.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
David, is H is it H B three ninety nine, the one that talks about locals and modulars, does that have any effect here?
GirardiVice Chair
Um Well, I think yes and no. I mean this district zoning district allows mobiles anyway. So Okay. I mean The the impact of that bill is it's allowing mobiles in zoning districts that wouldn't otherwise allow mobiles. So
Amy Heiler
So in theory could the ER If Liam's
Unidentified speakerVoice A
suggestion of E R two was taken, would then that bill allow them to put a mobile even though it was E R two.
GirardiVice Chair
Yes.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
And if it were R four, would that happen?
GirardiVice Chair
It allows it at any single family as a district. There you go.
Connected City
Well called the easy.
Unless there's a private
GirardiVice Chair
D restriction that prevents it.
Connected City
I okay. I gotcha.
Liam Devine
Thank you. Well, uh then to that effect then you d you could go ER two and not require a deed restriction.
Connected City
Well yeah. That's the only thing that would help is eliminating the one deed restriction, but and then the follow up.
Amy Heiler
Yeah, but E R two would still enable mobile homes with uh unless there was restriction and then the follow up. Exactly, right. So
Unidentified speakerVoice A
deed restriction, deed restriction regardless.
ADUs still be valid?
GirardiVice Chair
AD ADUs are in my opinion are not subject to the House Bill three ninety nine. Probe requirement because they're they're an accessory structure. The three ninety nine requirement applies to the principal structure.
All
GreyChair
right, would the advantage to speak?
Or would you like to reserve your time? I think the people that w rose to speak uh and and were sworn in, was this the topic this the one you're interested in? If so, raise your hand.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
I'm sorry.
GreyChair
Okay.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
I c I couldn't hear you too well. Um I'm part
GreyChair
of that.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
I'm trying
GreyChair
to get a gauge of the people that did want to speak if they're here for this particular one. So you m might want to reserve some time in case you need to respond to their questions. Okay.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Okay. Well, good afternoon. I'm Lisa Demyanovich. I'm with Landlark. And the goal with this project is basically everything around it is AR. Everything. Almost everything. This is one section of AC that's still sitting there. As of right now, only one house can go on the entire property. There is no way to I mean, right across the the road, I have four driveways to four different two and a half acre lots. So I'm just trying
to basically maximize the potential for the property so that we can, you know, create some estate size lots, which is why I called it kitten trails, you know, farms, because farms are, you know, they're not small, you know, to have some substantial land so that people could have, you know, two, three, four acres and whatnot. They had proposed two and a half acres, totally fine with that. I'm not trying to go in there and do anything, you know, on a grand scale. Just wanted to create some estate-sized lots as far
as whether it be single family or a manufactured home. I'm taking this one step at a time. So my first goal was to split it once because based on my meeting, you know, you're allowed to go. Ahead and do that once and then speak with the county about some potential ideas to come back and split it again. So maybe split three or four acres over here on the far side, leave the rest of the majority of the property, which then has the ability to be split, you know, two or three more times
for some other estate-sized lots. So that's kind of where I'm starting with this. If I mean if somebody came along and they wanted to buy the whole thing, then it's a moot point. But I'm trying to just kind of, you know, I buy and sell land as a living. I've been in real estate twenty years. So I'm just trying to maximize the potential for the property, but keep it in line with everything that's around it, the rural character that's in the area. You know, not come in and do something that's out of character for what is next door and what's All
around. Okay.
Connected City
W would you be amenable to a Destruction that limits the construction of mobile home?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
I don't wanna confine it and restrict it that much. I I don't I don't know if Pasco County um has restrictions on the age of the home. I know other counties they have a a a year per se, you know, a mobile homes have to be at least five years, you know, newer. Um, if there's something like that I could be amenable to. I I don't wanna restrict it altogether. Just because affordable housing is such an issue right now. I I I don't have a plan to go in there and put
a bunch of mobile homes, but I don't wanna restrict the potential If I sell it and somebody wants to build a mobile home, but they can't because that's now they have to build a site-built home and it's double.
GreyChair
Exactly.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Okay.
GreyChair
All right. Anybody else have anything? I if not, I'd like to hear the people that came to ha that it may have questions and then we can re get those concerns answered to see if their one of their c concerns is about mobile homes. So
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Yeah, is there a a restriction or or a provision in Pasco County where you can say, all right, the mobile home has to be, you know, a at least five years or newer? I mean,
Connected City
in theory that could be written in two a deed restriction. I guess David could probably speak that better than I could, but
GirardiVice Chair
I mean Yes, but I think it would be somewhat difficult for us to enforce
Unidentified speakerVoice A
in
GirardiVice Chair
practice.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Yeah. Then the other thing is is there's no Euclidean zone. Right. Okay. There's no time limit on how long it will take to build out the property and sell the lots. So a you could put a new Ur mobile home on a lot today and fifteen years from now Mm-hmm. That'll be an old mobile home. Right. Right when you go to put the next one on.
GreyChair
Okay, well let's see what the questions are from the audience and then maybe go you'll come back up and
So who would like to come up first?
Do you the closest Middle your name and address, please? Anybody else that's gonna speak you're welcome to come sit up closer to the front.
Janelle Condogado
Um my name is Janelle Condogado. I live at [address removed].
GreyChair
Okay.
Janelle Condogado
Um I had some questions uh regarding like will this d I assume this development was gonna be attaching to our water system. Like what studies will be done to evaluate the impact and the longev longevity of our aquifers?
GreyChair
Are you on central water?
Janelle Condogado
Uh well I'm renting but I'm concerned about my my community as a whole.
GreyChair
Well, I I know, but I'm just asking you if you're on central water or you're on a well?
Janelle Condogado
Um, I am on central water.
GreyChair
Okay. Well I don't think they have central water out there.
Janelle Condogado
Yeah, but what about the people who do live Well attached to those wells.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Hold on, Mr. County Attorney. Isn't there a requirement that if you're in res three or higher you need to connect to public utilities? In the comp plan?
GirardiVice Chair
I believe so, but I mean I don't know if that I mean there's triggers as to when that happens.
Connected City
It's res three flu, it's not the right-of-way. Okay, that's your main concern. Yes,
Janelle Condogado
I have other concerns.
Um I'm consider I'm concerned about what community outreach has been done to better understand how this will development will alter the community. Um as well as like when we're understanding that not everyone can attend a meeting in the middle of the day, like how are how are we reaching out to the c to those who are gonna be impacted?
GreyChair
We send letters out to people that surround the property.
Janelle Condogado
You send letters out?
GreyChair
Mm-hmm.
Janelle Condogado
Okay.
I feel like I've I've heard many communities stand up and express displeasure with how Pasco's changing. Um, is there anything that we can say or do to have you reflect the interests of your c constituents?
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Well one, we're not elected officials, we're appointed.
Janelle Condogado
Okay. Well is there anything that we can say to get the county commissioner to bet better reflect the um interest of their commission c constituents?
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Well Although I haven't heard the rest of the testimony in this case, I'll give you an idea where I'm preliminarily thinking. And that is that there's another case not too far from this one. substantially larger piece of property. that's asking for eight hundred houses. I think in fact it's right across the street.
Um these people are willing to deep restrict this to two and a half acre lots and I appreciate the applicant's willingness to preserve the rural character of the kitten trail area.
Janelle Condogado
Okay. Do we do we understand the environmental impact of developing Fourteen acres of land.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
When an applicant submits an application for a subdivision in this county. The first thing that one of the first things they have to do is submit a listed species survey to determine if there are any listed or protected wildlife species on the property. And if there are, they're required to get all of the required the permits necessary under Florida law and US law. to either preserve andor relocate
those animals. There is extensive stormwater drainage studies required. They'll have to do an analysis on their utility demand. As I pointed out, this is in the RES III future land use category and they'll be required to connect to the public utility system at their own expense. We have a tree ordinance that this board recommended passing a few months ago. that now makes the penalty for cutting down a pa a tree larger than ten
inches in diameter in Pasco County $75 an inch. That's up from $50 an inch. That's a 50% more cost of mitigation. Also in a residential development like this, that ordinance that we recommended approval for unanimously will require that they preserve at least 20% of all of the trees greater than 10 inches in diameter, which is a substantial improvement from the ordinance we had in place before that didn't require the preservation
of any trees.
Janelle Condogado
Um are you aware that most animals don't survive relocation, particularly gopher tortoises?
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Do you have any evidence of that fact?
Janelle Condogado
Are
Unidentified speakerVoice A
you a registered gopher tortoise agent?
Janelle Condogado
Um I'm sh I'm sure I can find some resources if you'd like me to come to the next meeting.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
If you
Janelle Condogado
want to come up and
Unidentified speakerVoice A
give expert testimony, you need to be a qualified expert.
Janelle Condogado
Okay, I will be sure to do some research on that. I'm a concerned I understand
Unidentified speakerVoice A
you concerned, but you can't come up and give expert testimony if you're not a quote.
Janelle Condogado
Okay, then I apologize. Um So are are we
GreyChair
Your three minutes is up. I'm sorry.
Janelle Condogado
Thank you for thank you for the time. Okay,
GreyChair
thank
Janelle Condogado
you. Thank you.
GreyChair
Mm mm.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
Kenneth Howard address is [address removed]. I live straight across the street from this property. I talked to several of the residents surrounding it, so I got some information from them, what goes on around there, what the property is. The previous owner, Scott, I believe his name was. He um had goats on the property all the time. He uh wanted to build on that property at one time his parents did,
but the property would not perk for septic. So at least the question to me what are they gonna do about septic? And as far as the water goes, it could only be a well because we do not have uh county water or sewer on Kitten Trail. We uh it also has approximately three-quarters of an acre of a sinkhole that's open to the aquifer. I know it's open to the aquifer 'cause it's full of water all the time. We've had alligators come up out of
that hole and actually walk across the street into my property. The uh There's no way they could get there other than through the aquifer system. This property I with the sign on the front because they said they're gonna resell as advertising for a potential uh res three, which is as you know, one house per acre. Buildable acre. That will give them the potential for 40 plus houses in the
back in the future. This is something we can't sustain on Kitten Trail anymore. We've been through this with the Denton Avenue project. Kitten Trail is busier than what it needs to be now. I uh don't think this should be allowed unless we have absolute restrictions to. A two and a half acre tract. five acre tracts for whatever we could get. to uh keep the minimal of the uh Building down to a A reasonable
GreyChair
Well y you under you understand what the applicant the applicant said that
Can you hear me?
The applicant said when they she first came up that um they they're restricting anything there to at least two and a half acres. It has to be a two and a half acre track. They can't they can't cut it up into forty lots 'cause only fourteen acres.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
Well they have the sign up front re res three current um
Connected City
Fut future land use.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
Yeah, current for future for Res III. So I mean that p potential in the future. So
Unidentified speakerVoice A
that's the existing future land use. They're not asking to change that here today.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
But they can in the future, correct?
GreyChair
That's what it already is right now.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
Huh?
GreyChair
There are they that's what it is already, right now. They don't have to ask for that. What they're asking to do actually is gonna restrict it to uh large to larger tracts. So they won't, you know, impede the neighborhood and uh
Unidentified speakerVoice C
Okay, what what will they do about the sinkhole?
GreyChair
Well that's that'll be their problem. I mean
we don't we don't even know if there
is
a sinkhole there. We know what you said. But again, you know, we haven't had an expert come up and say anything about a sinkhole.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
committee to develop a ordinance which I'm pretty proud of. Um and we have a geologic hazards ordinance, a geohazards section of our land development code. Daddy. Makes the developer First, investigate the underground conditions and determine whether or not there's potential for sinkholes. We also have a A stormwater ordinance that prohibits the discharge
of stormwater into sinkholes with a direct connection into the Florida and aquifer. And if there is a direct connection from that um sinkhole into a Florida and aquifer, that will also make it our highest categoriz category of wetlands and will achieve the highest protection that our county requires if that's there.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
So how do we police this?
Unidentified speakerVoice A
That's what our county, that's what Patrick's department over here does, the Planning, Development, and Econom Economic Growth Department. The applicant will be required to submit an application, a preliminary development plan application for a subdivision. They'll be required to present a geotechnical report and analysis to determine whether or not there's the potential for sinkholes, as I explained earlier. You'll also have to do a listed species survey to determine if there's the president presence
of gopher tortoises or the Florida alligator. And then whether or not those species need to be relocated or can remain on the property. Or if there'll be areas where they can't build because of the presence of that species. They'll also have to get permits from the Southwest Florida Water Management District, which their rules just changed on December 28th of last year, which now requires water quality treatment on the order of four times more than what we've been doing for the last three
decades. So they've got I'll just say that before they develop that property they've got a tough road to hoe. They're gonna have to pay a lot of engineers and scientists, and they're gonna develop a lot of plans, and then those are gonna be highly scrutinized by Mr. Dutter's department over here before they're gonna be authorized to remove a single tree or a single blade of grass from that property.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
So at this point they're just asking them to reduce it to a two and a half acre tract, so
Connected City
Yeah. Correct. So just because they rezone it and split the lots doesn't mean they can necessarily build on all those lots.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
Okay, thank you.
Connected City
Okay, thank you for coming.
GreyChair
Chris, did you have anything
Christopher Poole
to add? No, I think John covered it pretty well. Um you mentioned wetlands too, John, if there are any on the site the the hurdles with that.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Yes, and I think our code says that if there's a direct connection between that wetland and the Florida and aquifer, then it becomes a category one wetland.
GreyChair
Okay.
Connected City
And one of the conditions is the requirement of the wetland survey.
Sarah Gonzalez
Yeah, my name is Sarah Gonzalez. I live at [address removed].
GreyChair
Okay. And
Sarah Gonzalez
my concern is
GreyChair
Have you been sworn? I'm sorry.
Sarah Gonzalez
Yes, sir. I was the one that raised my hand with this lady earlier. Not in my head, yes, so yes, sir. Alrighty, and uh so I have some concerns. as uh all these roads to there are two lane roads. Okay, we already are acquiring six hundred homes at Houston, what we called Houston, right there at the end of Hicks and Denton. So they've cleared that from the Hudson Road all the way across to Houston. Okay, I know what used to be in there. Used to be woods. Used to go out there, know
all about it. The water that that used to reserve for our aquafires, believe it or not, there was many ponds out there that fed back to the aquafir. So now we've got city water going to all these houses, county water, wherever it is. The rest of us are on wells. So the roadways are overpacked already. Denton Road is so dangerous that I have watched I've lived there nine years now in the area. And I have watched people die in the middle of the night. A friend of mine got hit in the middle of the night out there by a driver
who thought he hit a deer and then hit her again. What are we gonna do to provide the infrastructure built up? You guys are building, building, selling off. The whole county is I get development, I get there has to be growth. I get it. However, we are still the little last rule area of that part of Pasco County. They are not supporting the railways. Shady Hills got all the Del Webb added in. Those roads are not, I don't care what Dell Webb did with their sidewalks up to the schools. We have no support for the rest of those schools through that area.
We have two lane roads down Denton and Peace. Now you're getting ready to develop Kitten Trail at the corner of Kitten and. and Den Road, where they're starting to do the road work to add the curve in to east road there. What are we doing about the roadways? I uh I actually came for that piece a lot on Denton Road. I guess I missed it. I have a concern about that being rezoned from agricultural. But any of it, when we start rezoning them from agricultural down, It allows for the laws to change, the water to change. Most of us live on wells out there. Okay.
When I moved in I thought it was agricultural. Come to find out I'm on an AR one. Okay, AR1 is your first step. As soon as you rezone it past that, then you guys can do and the county and anybody can do anything he wants. Then we start getting city water. We're forced off it. We have no water left. Our wells start getting issues. There's been a lot of people. Luckily, I'm a newer well than a lot of people have been out there for a long time, longer than me. That their wells are older than mine. So between the roadways and our wells and the infrastructure,
I'd like to know what what's gonna support that. I actually am not
Unidentified speakerVoice B
too
Sarah Gonzalez
much against the lady's suggestion of her piece of property. Two and a half acres, okay. I live on a one point something two seven acres, okay? I have a little mobile home, double wide. So again, to restrict the land out there from home. Homeowners being able to buy it. She's good right. The housing cost to restrict it where the person that buys the lot has no right to put the manufactured home there. I get it, it has to be up to code. But my concern is mostly the roads and the waterway. And that piece that I guess I minced whatever
at Denton and Kitten. It's so close to me. I travel through there every day. going back and forth to work. I lost my three minutes. But either way, I'd like to know what you guys are planning on there, okay? Between that little and I guess I again I came strictly for the corner of kitten and Denton there where they're rezoning and doing the east upgrade 'cause they've got that lot there that they're trying to rezone from agricultural now too. But every time you guys rezone it down, then the rest of us are being jeopardized. W our roadways are not supporting
it. We see no infrastructure being added in. To support the roadways. How many more people have to die there? You put they put a lay a light at County Line and Waterline. Now we got County Road adding all them homes on County Line at uh via Alexand that doesn't have the support for the roadways either. They added a light there. Do you know? Okay, well all the lights.
GreyChair
You know your time's up and I'm not sure.
Sarah Gonzalez
I do know it's up, but if you would address some of that, that's my concern.
GreyChair
You told me you just told me you're on an acre and a half.
Sarah Gonzalez
I am this
GreyChair
lady's talking about two and a half
Sarah Gonzalez
yes, I I don't object to her. I'm just here for
GreyChair
roadways.
Well,
Sarah Gonzalez
I completely understand.
GreyChair
because somebody owns property they want to do something with it and they want to do something reasonable with it and we have to decide whether it's reasonable or not.
Sarah Gonzalez
Okay, but
GreyChair
so I and I'm giving you more time than
Sarah Gonzalez
I appreciate that. Roadways
GreyChair
we we got your message. We're you know we're trying our best to look out for so the area. So do you have something John Yeah,
Unidentified speakerVoice A
in our package. The county has a project to install sidewalks. I mean everybody knows there was a tragic death of a young man out there. I think it was on a go kart or something there along Kitten Trail. Anyways. The county. took note of that and they immediately maybe m maybe it's too little too late, I don't know.
Sarah Gonzalez
They finally put
Unidentified speakerVoice A
the school
Sarah Gonzalez
zone in. The boy was on his bicycle going to school.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
But
Sarah Gonzalez
mm hmm They probably put the and within a week they had that school zone up there. I've been there eight years. There's never been
Unidentified speakerVoice A
there. The point is the county is g has a project funded. There are plans, approved plans in our packet today, that they intend to install sidewalks so those kids can get safely to school.
Sarah Gonzalez
Okay, but what about the traffic? We have two lanes, one each way. You want to add all these homes, even on Denton Road, it's so dangerous. What are we doing about the roadway? You got all this extra traffic in six hundred homes just right there in that one track that's being built now at Hicks and Denton. What's gonna happen when all that traffic starts feeding up?
Connected City
So
Sarah Gonzalez
I know my time's up, but that's what I'm here. The roadways, the water, you know, the aquifers mostly. Go ahead.
Connected City
I was gonna say we we understand the the frustration too because we drive on the same roads, right? The problem is is those roads are paid for by impact fee and taxpayer money ultimately. And when there's no development, none of that taxpayer money is coming in. You can't build a road for something that may or may not happen in the future. So it always has to occur after the fact. Once a development happens, then the tax revenue is there, then we can start building some. of that infrastructure. Now we try to plan the best we can and that's what comprehensive
plan are for and we look at um water capacity, you know, uh sewer capacity, things like that before uh uh development's uh approved. But ultimately the things that improve that infrastructure is driven by the tax revenue from the developments that occur.
Sarah Gonzalez
Well I understand that, but again in the little area out there, as we start selling off all the property and adding in these six hundred home tracks, four hundred home tracks, five hundred home tracks at the end of Shady Hills soon to be behind Circle K and the advanced auto parts or whatever's there, that little thread of land is gonna be a hundred homes soon. It's already been
Connected City
all those projects require traffic extensive traffic studies to look at the road.
But they look at that they look at that. There are traffic studies and you know it it's yes, it's more strained than what it was before before that, but it's still th they they look at that capacity before those projects are approved and then when improvements need to be made and the tax revenue is there to do it, they can do it. You know, if we if we develop Expanded roads and developed infrastructure for things that were permitted or things that were approved, and then the market shifts and the developer says, you know what, I'm not gonna build this development
anymore or the money doesn't make sense and now we've spent money to build a road to nowhere because now this development doesn't get built. That's a problem for the taxpayers too.
Sarah Gonzalez
Okay, and one last thing 'cause I do know over my time. Um There's there's people that work. I had to take off at home to you know, work to make it to this. I have a question. How can us in Pasco County, 'cause Pinellas County did it. They were able to arrange their meetings to be in the evening so those at work that can't afford to take off of their jobs could attend some of these meetings. Is how do we How do we make the steps in Pasco County to get these meetings adjusted so that we can have them in the evenings? You know, Penellas has done that,
accommodated their their residents to meet in the evenings at say five five thirty evening so that people like us, the regular citizens, blue-collar workers, can actually make it to these meetings to have our word heard, hear what's going on, be able to try to understand what you guys are doing, what the development's doing. You know, I mean it none of us get the chance to do that.
GreyChair
We got your question. Let's try to give you an answer. Answer and then I've given you too much.
I
Unidentified speakerVoice A
assume you live in District Five, Commissioner Oriano's District?
Sarah Gonzalez
Yes.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
So he's made the suggestion that we have some meetings after five o'clock.
Sarah Gonzalez
How do I do that?
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Well, you can continue to call your county commissioners and ask that they have meetings at five o'clock, but let me tell you something. Well, I've been a practicing engineer for more than thirty years. And I've had to go to zoning hearings where Counties or municipalities held their meetings after 5 o'clock. I've also had zoning hearings happen at 1 o'clock in the morning. But people say they can't take off of work. Well, I would like to know how you're going to get to work the next day when your zoning hearing starts at
one in the morning and goes until three o'clock in the morning because that's happened to me before. And the other thing I'd like to point out about having meetings after 5 o'clock is there's two sides to that coin. One, you could have that meeting at 1 o'clock in the morning. The other is that everybody that sits here With the exception of the school board representative and I don't mean to pick on him because he knows I love him.
We all run businesses. We're all unpaid volunteers here. And I come down here twice a month. Okay, two meetings every month. My time. I'm not paid for my time. I have to read in fact at the last Planning Commission agenda. The agenda package that I was delivered on the Friday evening before the Thursday meeting was 1,399 pages long that I needed to read and I need to
do this twice a month and come down here. That's time away from my business that I'm not getting paid for, that my business is not making money. Okay? I It's important enough to me as a community member to come down here and volunteer my time twice a month. There's not something that happens in your neighborhood every day. That isn't important enough for you for one one rezoning hearing that happens once a year or
two a year to come down here and manage to take 30 minutes off of work to come down here and talk.
Sarah Gonzalez
Okay, and I understand that and and I'm I'm going to research that. Excuse me.
Okay. That's fine, I'll do something.
Connected City
Okay. Plus we have digital options. Please come forward. Have you been sworn?
Sherry Howard
I have, thank you. My name is Sherry Howard. I leave uh live at [address removed]. So let me understand. She started out asking for res one. No. No. I'm I'm sorry. R C
Can you tell me the difference in what she's that the original request and the Res three future?
Unidentified speakerVoice A
She's not asking for res three, she already has res three.
She has res three, so
what is she asking for? She's asking to change the zoning from agricultural commercial to agricultural residential. Right now she has an approximately fourteen acre lot. Okay. And an agricultural residential you're allowed to build one house per ten acres.
Sherry Howard
One house per ten.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
She's asking to change the zoning to the next least intensive zoning district, which is the agricultural residential district. which would allow Up to one home per acre. However, she's volunteered to deed restrict her property to a minimum of two and a half acre lots. So in other words, she's not even asking to use all of the density that the zoning. District
she's requested would allow, and I would make the point that right now the future land use designation is Res III. She could have come in and asked for a more intensive zoning district than AR but she's chosen to request AR, which is a minimum of one acre lots, and she's volunteering to make them a minimum of two and a half acre lots, which is far better than the application we heard in here a couple of months ago. that's not too far away on the other side of the street.
Sherry Howard
Correct. Okay, so what t what type of infrastructure roads would she be required at two and a half watts?
Unidentified speakerVoice A
So if she subdivides that property, she'll have to follow the county's land development code. The minimum width of right of way that she'll have to give for those roads is 50 feet. And We allow up twenty-two foot wide roads for two way traffic. And she'll have to provide all of the stormwater drainage for those roads?
Sherry Howard
So just like any
Unidentified speakerVoice A
other subject. Any other subject
GreyChair
is correct.
Sherry Howard
Okay. That's my thank you so much.
GreyChair
Thank you. Okay, do we miss anybody? Would the applicant like to come back up and respond in any way?
Connected City
If you'd like to respond to any of the questions or
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Sorry again, I'm hard of hearing so bear with me. Um uh no I I appreciate the questions and I appreciate the concern for the from the community and that's why I said when they called me and said that there was some questions and people were calling. you know, reach out to me. I'm more than happy to make this clear so people don't get upset and think things that are not happening. Uh yes it is currently res three.
GreyChair
Before you before you go any further, sure. For the record, uh we need to make sure we have your name and address so they'll know who it is that's speaking when they go back to do the next
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Yeah. Lisa Damianovich with Landlark L L C and you need my address too? Yeah. Yes, nine four four five Monica Drive, Largo, Florida, three three seven seven seven.
So the property is currently res three, current zoning. Um future lands. But digital land uses res three. Which I'm not trying to keep it as res three, but if somebody came to me tomorrow and wanted to purchase this property before this is all over, that is the current zoning and that's what they would get. Correct. Correct. They would
GirardiVice Chair
be careful with your terminology because it's It confuses the public when you say that. The f the comprehensive plan future land use designation is res three. You don't want to call that the zoning because that's not what it is.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
I'm sorry, I mis misspoke on that. No, so so what I'm trying to do now is I'm just trying to make it as we discussed a large, you know, estate, you know. Area. I'm not trying to split it up into larger lots. But the reason I think there's some confusion is because I'm trying to sell the property. I will sell the property as a whole. I have advertised it on horseproperties.com. I've advertised it on land.com. Um I'm also I'm
trying to go several different directions, whether the there's a horse farm next door to me. I had a a realtor reach out to me asking me about selling mine so that they could buy both. that would be fine too if they came to me with a good offer. So but at this point, if the property just sits there, I'd like to do something with it. Something with potential. And I don't want to limit that potential entirely. I want them to be nice sized estate lots where somebody can spread out and they can have,
you know, some animals and, you know build a you know garage or whatever they want to do behind their house. Um if they want to add an ADU for their grandmother they can do that. Um just you know a nice estate size lot. I'm not trying to go in there as a a large uh builder, production builder and put in, you know, one home per you know half acre or whatever. That's not the goal here.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
I do have one question. Do you understand that if you do anything more than split this lot The minute you create three parcels that you have an obligation to connect to public utilities of which they are not anywhere near you.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Right. Right. Everything out there is on Well and Septic.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Okay. You're not gonna have the option if you split this into three parcels or more to be on Well and Septic. And that will be your obligation or whomever purchases this property's obligation to bring in utilities and I can tell you they are miles away.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Yeah, I had that conversation with one one person that reached out to me asking about the water line. The water line is about a mile down the road and the sewers even further than that. So the chance of them coming this way anytime soon is not likely.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Okay. I just want you to understand that.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
No, I I do. I understand. I understand. I uh my my goal at this point is just to split it the once, but to leave the potential for the future for somebody that wants to buy the larger tract.
GreyChair
All right, very good. Is there anything else?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
I I don't think so.
GreyChair
Any questions
Christopher Poole
from Pierre? Mm-hmm. And just to confirm for the uh for the folks that came to to speak about this, we're talking about two lots.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Mm-hmm.
Christopher Poole
Two two and a half acre lots within the overall fourteen whatever acres it is.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Well, w my plan right now is if I if it doesn't sell as a whole was I was going to create a smaller lot and then a larger tract. Uh I could either split it and make it two even lots, but I think I want to do something a little bit different. But I wanted to leave the larger tract as, like I said, for potential, you know, for if somebody wanted to buy it and then split it later or they wanted to to do something else, like you said, infrastructure permitting and what they would need to do as far as well and septic.
I want them to have the ability to at least do that. I don't want them to be confined. Right now this property is confined to one home on fourteen and a half acres. You know, I mean you look at around me. I mean there's acre, acre, two acres, acres, acres. You know what I mean?
I don't know why it should be restricted and limited as such as it is now and stay that way.
Connected City
So what you might do is something like a two and a half acre lot and then a remaining twelve acre tract.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Correct. Or or a or a four acre ten or you know something of that nature or a five and then just under ten. But um M in my experience when you have I have split before and and just when you have two that are exact same size, sometimes that's not really marketable and it doesn't really you know it does more when you can kinda create the lots, you create the vision, you you know what I mean, and then they can come in and they can do
what they want. If they wanna turn it into a horse farm, if they wanna buy the farm next door and add mine to it. You know, they can do that. But at least the they would have the potential. I don't want to limit the potential. That that's really why I'm here. I want to be able to get it rezoned and still create and have the potential long term.
GreyChair
Okay. Okay. Thank you.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Thank you.
GreyChair
Any other questions? If not, I motion.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Move to recommend approval of item P ten.
GreyChair
Second. Have a motion and a second. Is it for the discussion of the motion? If not, all in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye, aye. Aye. Uh post.
I didn't want to carry it.
Very good.