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1. 1Mar 12, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP55Public hearingContinued

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   Approved to continue the item to the April 10, 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City by a roll call vote.

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   OakleyChair

   23:54Okay. Uh first item is P55.

   Starkey

   24:01Okay, so P fifty five was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times September twentieth, twenty twenty three, and by Active Certified Mailings and Site Postings. Um it was continued from the November 14th, uh 23 and January 9th, 24 meetings to today.

   Denise

   24:19Good afternoon, Commissioner. Denise Hernandez Planning and Develop Planning and Economic Growth. I apologize. Um P55 is PEG twenty-four seven six eight three. It's a rezoning in the name of Crossways MPUD. The request is to continue the item to the April 10th, 2024. Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1 30 in Dade City.

   Mariano

   24:36Move to continue time circle.

   OakleyChair

   24:39Motion second by row call vote.

   Starkey

   24:41District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Bradford.

   24:50District five, Commissioner Mariano. Aye. District one, Chairman Oakley.

   OakleyChair

   24:54Aye. Motion pass 5-0. Move on to P56.

2. 2Apr 10, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP43Public hearingContinued

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   OakleyChair

   41:13move on to P43.

   Starkey

   41:15Item P forty forty-three was published in the Tampa Bay Times on February twenty-first, twenty twenty-four, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

   Denise

   41:24Item P 43 is PEG 247683, zoning amendment, Crossways MPD, Crossways 301 LLC. The request is to continue the item to a date uncertain.

   Mariano

   41:34Move to continue to date uncertain.

   OakleyChair

   41:37Got a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Motion pass 4-0. Move on to P forty four.

3. 3Jun 4, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP49Public hearingContinued

   Zoning Amendment (Continuance) - … Allow the Development of up Up to 130 Single Family … on Approximately 29.5 Acres Located East of Old Lakeland Highway, 0.2 Miles East and 0.1 Miles North of U.S. Highway

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   OakleyChair

   1:27:16Okay, we'll start with the first item is P forty nine.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:27:20Item for item P forty nine, my office did not was not provided proof of publication for this meeting date. However, what we do have is publication in the Tampa Bay Times for September 20th, 2023, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. The item was continued from the November 14th, 2023 BCC meeting, continued to the January 9th, 2024 BCC meeting. Where it was continued to the march twelfth, twenty twenty four BCC meeting, where it was continued to april tenth, twenty twenty four BCC meeting,

   1:27:50where it was continued to a date uncertain.

   Denise

   1:27:55Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, Commissioner Starise Hernandez, Planning and Economic Growth. Item P forty nine is PEG twenty-four seven six eight three at the zoning amendment, crossways MPUD, Crossways 301, LLC. The request is to continue the item to the July 9th, 2024, Board of County Commissioners meeting at 130 in Date Sitting.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:28:17Mr. Hernandez, was this out re advertised?

   Denise

   1:28:19The item, um, the reason it's being um brought to you today is because the applicant actually sent out letters indicating that the item was going to be heard today.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:28:30Okay.

   Denise

   1:28:30So it

   1:28:31was

   1:28:31not advertised in the paper, but the applicant did send out letters. So the public is under the impression that it would be heard at some point in time today. Gotcha.

   OakleyChair

   1:28:40So we accept public comment or

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:28:42no. No. You it's it's a continuance. I I just um was trying to figure out whether this reads needs to be readvertised. It it clearly needs new newspaper notice.

   Denise

   1:28:53It it will need news new newspaper paper notice.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:28:59So we're gonna move to continue. This would be to July ninth, twenty twenty four, at one thirty or soon thereafter.

   OakleyChair

   1:29:06Yeah. I got a motion.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:29:10Second.

4. 4Jul 9, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP54Public hearingContinued

   Zoning Amendment (Continuance) - … Crossways 301 LLC - A Petition for a Rezoning From Request from an A-C Agricultural Zoning … Development District to Allow for the Development of up Up to 130 Single Family Residential Single-Family Detached Dwelling Units and Associated Infrastructure on Approximately 29.5 Acres Located in East Pasco Approximately 29.5 Acres East of Old Lakeland Highway, 0.2 Miles East and 0.1 Miles North of U.S. Highway 98

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   StarkeyVice Chair

   49:33Item P fifty four was published in the Tampe Times on May twenty-second, twenty twenty-four.

   Denise

   49:39Item P fifty-four is PG twenty-four seven six eight three. It's a zoning amendment. Crossways MPUD Crossways 301 LLC. The request is to continue the item to the August 6th, 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1 30 P.M. in Datesley.

   OakleyChair

   49:55Okay.

   Mariano

   49:56Move to continue time sharing.

   OakleyChair

   49:58Got a motion. Second. And second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Move on to P 55.

5. 5Aug 6, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP63Public hearingContinued

   Zoning Amendment (Continuance) (Consent) - Crossways MPUD - Crossways 301 LLC - A Petition for a Rezoning From Request from an A-C Agricultural Zoning … Development District to Allow for the Development of up Up to 130 Single Family Residential Single-Family Detached Dwelling Units and Associated Infrastructure on Approximately 29.5 Acres Located in East Pasco Approximately 29.5 Acres East of Old Lakeland Highway, 0.2 Miles East and 0.1 Miles North of U.S. Highway 98

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   OakleyChair

   1:22:40Bye. Thank you. Congratulations. Okay, we will move forward to um P sixty three.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:22:51Approved for publication in the May 22nd, 2024 edition of the Tampa Day Times, supplemented by affidavits of certain

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:23:16Um Nick, can I ask you a question? Are we allowed to talk during this time?

   Weightman

   1:23:20Hey Chairman, no, you are not allowed to talk to

   1:23:23you.

   1:23:23I can ask

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:23:23him

   Weightman

   1:23:23a question. Okay.

   1:23:28Okay. Nine minutes. Okay.

   Denise

   1:23:31Uh Denise Hernandez, Planning, Development and Economic Economic Growth. On this item, just wanted to do a housekeeping before Mr. Pitos uh does his presentation. There are two ex partees that will be submitted to the clerk's office, uh one from Commissioner Mariano and one from Commissioner Yeager on this item. Thank you.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:23:49I need to clarify that um uh

   1:23:54The public notice also that this item, those postings were made for a previous meeting, which was continued July 9th to this meeting. So this is a continuation of a previously posted meeting.

   OakleyChair

   1:24:10Okay.

   1:24:18P sixty-three.

   OakleyChair

   1:24:19Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Item P sixty three is PEG twenty-four seventy-six eighty-three. It's a zoning amendment. Crossways M P U D cross by Crossways 301 L L C. What's your Uh the proposal before the Board of County Commissioners today is to change the zoning from AC Agricultural District on the subject property to an MPUD master plan unit development. There are two future land use designations on the site. The minority uh future land use designation is ROR Retail Office Residential,

   1:24:49which is just a very tiny sliver on the north bank. And the majority of the property is res six, residential six dwelling units per gross acre. The purpose of the MPUD initially came in to allow a maximum of up to 130 single family homes. There is a second alternative or option to the purpose of the CENPUD, which is to allow a maximum of up to 40 single-family detached dwelling units on the total 29.5 acres. And

   1:25:20we'll talk a little bit about that just a minute here. The location is on the northeast corner of US Highway 98. West of Old Lakeland Highway. This is where it's located in Pasco County. It's on the southeast, very southeast side of uh Dade City, right off of US 98.

   1:25:43We zoom in a little bit further and we notice that.

   1:25:47Yeah.

   OakleyChair

   1:25:48It lays on 35A, not 98.

   OakleyChair

   1:25:51Yes, correct. Old Lakeland Highway. Uh and we zoom in and we can see that it's right off of Old Lakeland Highway and ninety-eight is just south of it. Uh it is approximately one mile east of Dade City as you travel down uh ninety-eight. We have the triple J MPUD which is just to the east. This is a Res three MPUD that has approximately six hundred plus units approved for it back in 2006. Nothing of that development has been built to date. And

   1:26:22just on the east side of Old Lakeland Highway is the CSX rail line and right away.

   1:26:33What's the

   OakleyChair

   1:26:33zoning here right now?

   OakleyChair

   1:26:38A C agricultural industry.

   OakleyChair

   1:26:40Okay, all right. That's what I thought.

   OakleyChair

   1:26:43And this is the actual zoom in of the subject property. Um Lakeland Highway is just to the east as we noted, and then you can see the CSX line. Uh Mesick Road is just to the south. Uh the property does sort of stretch or make a reach for it, uh, but it does not get to US ninety-eight. This is the existing zone. Oh

   OakleyChair

   1:27:04it's short of short of ninety eight.

   OakleyChair

   1:27:07It does not quite reach ninety eight.

   OakleyChair

   1:27:10So it doesn't connect to ninety-eight there on that?

   OakleyChair

   1:27:14Not not as the parcel lines are.

   1:27:18This is the AC zoning district on the subject property. Here's the future land use situation. Majority of the site is Res 6 as you can see and then the very sliver on the top here is partly an ROR.

   1:27:34This is the conceptual site plan indicated within the MPUD in the north-south orientation. This is essentially showing the road layout that the project is going to have, regardless of whichever option they were initially considering, 130 single-family homes or the 40 half-acre lots. This is it turned on at site so you can actually. read the uh the plan now north is to the left, uh same plan as before. With

   1:28:05the road network. This was the initial idea with regard to the 130 single-family detached homes where in blue is where you would have had the 40-foot wide lots, uh, and in red is where the 50-foot wide lots would have been.

   1:28:24The breakdown of those entitlements are as such. Here you would have had in this in the first option, option A, you would have had 40 foot-wide single-family detached lots uh equating to about 65 units. And another 65 units at the 50-foot-wide single-family detached lots were a total of 140. Do my match right-no, 130. Uh 4.42 Dwelling in this per Gross Acre, all homes on 40 foot wide lots would be rearloaded. Prior to this meeting,

   1:28:54however, the applicant has relayed to the Planning Development Economic Growth Department. They are in line to do option B, which would be the half-acre size single family detached lots, which would mean that they would only get 40 lots on the property. That would reduce. The density down to 1.3512 units per acre. This is an update uh to the project uh as we've been preparing to bring this to the Board of County Commissioners. Uh if we go with option B, we'll

   1:29:24have to uh update the conditions of approval of the MPUD and possibly bring back just a quick revision to illustrate that. Nevertheless, we can delete uh

   OakleyChair

   1:29:34No utility as well. No utilities here at all. Water, sewer, anything?

   OakleyChair

   1:29:40Right. There's no capacity at all.

   OakleyChair

   1:29:42No no capacity at all for this. Is it is it it's not a part is still in the county, it's not a part of any uh annexation of Dade City or anything of that nature. That is correct. Unincorporated best. Okay.

   OakleyChair

   1:29:56The takeaway from the surrounding conditions analysis is that the Triple J MVD is just to the west at 636 dwelling units, as I noted earlier. And along Old Lakeland Highway, there is a dedication of right-of-way that will eventually be needed. The right-of-way varies a little bit, but all of it will have to come from the west side of Old Lakeland Highway because on The east side is the CSX Railroad. So any further widening of Old Lakeland will need to come from this subject property, at

   1:30:26least along the extent of the project site. This is likely to be somewhere between 20 or so feet and maybe 30 feet of additional light array. That will be determined more precisely at the time of preliminary development planning.

   1:30:44Um ultimately the applicant agreed to voluntary architectural controls and introduced in PM twenty-six. And we recommend uh Stop it.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:30:59Complete average destruction.

   OakleyChair

   1:31:01That the Board of County Commissioners approved the Planning Commission's recommendation to adopt the zoning amendment with the provision for the applicant to pursue only one option, option B, which would allow entitlements to build forty single family detached units on half acre size lots that would utilize well and septic systems. This on your agenda memosis is alternative motion one.

   OakleyChair

   1:31:24Well, my my problem with this this project right here is the fact that There's no water sewer here at all. Uh half acre tracks with well and septic, I think, are too close. And it says sitting out in the rural area that's gonna look like a subdivision out in no man's land because of the rural area and nature of that area that's by Old Lakeland Road. Yeah.

   1:31:53I if if we did well in septic, I'd want to see at least uh two and a half acre lots or better.

   1:32:01To be a rural nature.

   1:32:05Okay.

   1:32:08Any questions from anyone? Anyone I think we have somebody signed up to speak. Charles Hall.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:32:16Well um I do have a question, if you don't mind coming back up. I saw s something called A J, uh a develop is that a development near it when you showed the pictures?

   OakleyChair

   1:32:27Yes.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:32:28What uh what is that?

   OakleyChair

   1:32:29It's a residential development. Um Triple J Ranch MPUD was approved for six hundred and thirty-six dwelling units in a REST III flu back on November eighth, two thousand six.

   1:32:44Yeah, and I can show the area.

   1:32:49There it is.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:32:51And that so what is that per per acre?

   1:32:56W did you say res three?

   OakleyChair

   1:32:57It was res three. So it'd be three dwelling units per gross acre or less. And it probably is much less given the size of the property.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:33:04Problem what? I can't hear you.

   OakleyChair

   1:33:07Which remember if that count composition for

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:33:12the right-of-way.

   Yeager

   1:33:14Do they have water and sewer out

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:33:15there as well?

   Sun Coast

   1:33:17No. No.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:33:19And um and then next to it is that a mobile home park? It's called Country Air Manor.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:33:28Where's it at?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:33:29Um it's it's that that white stuff in the middle there?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:33:33Yes, that's it.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:33:34So what what are they is that a Mongol Home Park on sewer? Septic I mean? They're on their own. How did they get septic like that?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:33:42They've been there for decades.

   OakleyChair

   1:33:44Many years.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:33:45Oh God, that's gotta be a mess. No, they haven't obtacked Oh they have their own plan?

   OakleyChair

   1:33:50They have a plant. Yeah. Package plant.

   OakleyChair

   1:33:53The density of triple J M P which has been allowed a long time ago. Yeah, the the density of the triple J M P D is approximately two point six volumes per gross acres.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:34:01And this one is one point three?

   OakleyChair

   1:34:03This under option B it would be one point three.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:34:06It's less than

   OakleyChair

   1:34:07Mm-hmm.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:34:09It's less than across the street.

   OakleyChair

   1:34:14Okay, let's let's hear from Mr. Hall.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:34:19Mr. Hall, I don't believe that you were sworn previously, so if you would please raise your right hand. You swear affirm the testimony you will give in this matter. Is it true? So have you got it? I do. Name and address for the record, please.

   Hall

   1:34:32I'm Charles Hall, [address removed].

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:34:40Go ahead, sir.

   Hall

   1:34:43Okay, uh thank you for allowing me to come and spend a few minutes to express my opinion and concerns. I will not be eloquent. I don't do this for a living. Um approximately 30 years ago, my parents gifted my wife and me uh an acre of land if we should decide to move from Polk County back to Pasco County where I grew up. This is family property. Ha ha ha.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:35:07Do the gifts named Adam?

   Hall

   1:35:09Um what

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:35:09was it saying?

   Hall

   1:35:10Tw about tw uh twenty five years ago my wife and I decided it's time for us to move back to Pasco County and We began to de build to build our house and we were told you have to have a ten acre minimum for a house. Back then, we went to the County Commission, we applied for rezoning, and they granted rezoning for two separate adjacent acres of land for one house for

   1:35:40one acre. The second piece was that we had friends that would want to join us up here. Since that time, we have inherited and been gifted additional acreage which includes the Crossway's proposed development.

   1:36:00Oh. Things done.

   1:36:08Well in and doing our research, preparing to s to sell the some of the property it got time for us to to get rid of part of it. So we decided to sell two or three ten, fifteen acre pieces of property so people could build a house, have a It would fit the rural setting with a decent house, maybe a barn with some cows, goats, whatever. We went uh to the Planning Council the Planning Commission over in New

   1:36:38Port Richey. They said the we can sell the 10, 15 acre pieces of property. The first person can build a house. Subsequent people cannot build a house because it would be a subdivision. Which is the right-of-way. And they said that. There is a way around it. It will be expensive and take a long time. So we we eventually sold 29 and a half acres, which

   1:37:08is going to be the proposed crossways subdivision. We know things are going to change. But we we still have concerns and questions. We're concerned about the water table, if it's 40 single family houses or it has 130. If the water table drops below our well level, what are our options? Another concern is With all

   1:37:38the the development that's going in along Old Lakeland Road. There's going to be a lot more traffic and what are our options for our ingress and egress from our property? And I guess that beeping means my time is up.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:37:55Yeah, one minute, sir.

   Hall

   1:37:56Yeah,

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:37:56one

   Hall

   1:37:56minute left. Okay.

   1:38:01Well those two options are the main ones, those two concerns, the water and our ingress and egress to our property. are the main con main issues right now. My suggestion would be that you approve minimum five acre lots. If that will happen, I don't know.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:38:23Is this your property?

   Hall

   1:38:24Yeah. No, it wasn't a little bit more than a little bit.

   1:38:29He sold a 29 and a half acres. And they they didn't make they have agreed to put in an eight-foot block wall divide separating the development from our property, which we do appreciate that. But we still do have the other concerns.

   OakleyChair

   1:38:46So that's that's your ten acres just south.

   Hall

   1:38:51Yes it's eleven acres.

   OakleyChair

   1:38:53Or eleven acres, right. Well I see a

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:38:54bunch of mobile homes south of that property. One house.

   OakleyChair

   1:39:02He's got he's got that one ho one lot there. Land maker lot. I don't think he wants a hundred and twenty holes to the north side of him. So

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:39:11That looks like a barn. That? Isn't that a barn? Right there,

   Hall

   1:39:16three.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:39:16And your neighbor is this recycled can business?

   Hall

   1:39:21There's another uh property between us and the recyclers.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:39:26Is that as a residential property across the street from you?

   Hall

   1:39:30No. That's It's a business.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:39:39Well, I personally think a half acre is okay. Forty forty homes isn't gonna make a big difference on Old Lakeland Highway.

   OakleyChair

   1:39:49Uh that's when it's rural, mm Mr. Chairman Mariano.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:39:52Is this part of the East Pasco Rural Protection Area?

   OakleyChair

   1:39:54No, it's not. But it's i it's in my protection area because I get calls every day from my citizens over there not wanting these kind of uh developments to pop up in their neighborhoods when they're got a rule setting just like Ms. Trawl has.

   Mariano

   1:40:08Mr. Mariano. So is his time up or is he still going to Is his time?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:40:14Are you finished, sir? think his time but

   OakleyChair

   1:40:17yeah. Okay. Your three minutes

   Hall

   1:40:20is

   OakleyChair

   1:40:20up, Mr.

   Hall

   1:40:24County I don't like what the county did to us. We were zoned one house to ten acres. We are in a rural setting. And now It turns out you want to allow what four and a half houses, four point flat houses per acre.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:40:42Um I you know, I'd love for staff to address that if it was

   Hall

   1:40:45one to ten. It no way fits the rural setting.

   OakleyChair

   1:40:50Right. Who's the

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:40:52splitting?

   OakleyChair

   1:40:53Okay. Okay. Mr. Holly, your time is up.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:40:55Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Thank you. The other persons I have signed up for Mr.

   Mariano

   1:41:01Question

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:41:01over here.

   Mariano

   1:41:01So don't we usually have the applicant come up at some point? Yes. Shouldn't the applicant before we take public comment?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:41:07Yes.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:41:08Yeah, what happened there?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:41:10Uh

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:41:10Yeah.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:41:11I believe the other persons signed up are

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:41:14Wait, no, we

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:41:14haven't had the

   What

   1:41:15applicants speak yet.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:41:16I believe they're representing, but I'm

   What

   1:41:19thank you. Shelley Johnson, [address removed]. And I have been sworn. Just to give I I've been listening to the comments and I will address Mr. Hall's concerns about the water table as well as um the surrounding area and what's being proposed. If you look at this development, it's actually north of crossways. There's actually pretty intense in Industrial development already around this property. The north side has transport services. There's two operations that are running. You know, some like tractor trailer operations. To the south, you have, I think the commissioner

   1:41:49mentioned, RL Metals, which looks like it has some pretty heavy operations going on. It's a recycling of metals. Um, across the street, you have Pasco Fleet, which is another transport service with semis, and they've got some pretty significant. Stuff going on on that property, and of course, Triple J, which already has the 636 single-family approved developments. You know, once there's some water and sewer that comes out there. You do have south of this property, I think that was what you were pointing to, Appalousia Trails and Sunburst Hills, which are residential developments,

   1:42:19they're on half acre lots and they are on well inseptic. The reason we're fine with option B and your comp plan permits it is it allows up to 49 units to be on Well and Septic in these subdivisions. Your actual comp plan policy provides for that. Utilities have signed off on us going to Well and Septic, and of course, we're under the 49, we're at 40. So you actually have a comp plan policy that permits us to utilize Well and Septic, and given the various concerns that were raised. That's why we decided to go in that direction. Um As

   1:42:49far as the water table, I know that a TEF is around or he may be around to answer some questions, but um obviously any wells and septic that has to go through DEP as well as um probably some Swift MUD permitting, um Sam would know better on that, but um obviously they're not gonna allow any wells to impact you know someone else's wells on their property, and again your comp plan allows for this, um I think some of that's probably and taken into consideration in terms of what's okay for you know health and safety. But um there is significant industrial

   1:43:20non-residential development around this property. There is half of the lots already existing around this property. They're on Well and septic. Our traffic study didn't show any impacts to into Lakeland, old Lakeland Highway. You know, the level service is good with or without this development. And of course access management as far as turn lanes and stuff will be dealt with at the time of engineering. But we would like for support for staff's recommendation on option B given that your staff supports it, your comp plan supports it.

   1:43:50going on out around this property on the ground as well as what's planned long term. It really does seem to be a good good option for us. So we would ask for your support.

   1:44:02We don't have time to answer any other questions.

   1:44:06Um

   OakleyChair

   1:44:07Mr. Weightman.

   Weightman

   1:44:11You cite the businesses, but the the businesses that are in this area, they are trucking businesses, but they're not running at the volume of traffic that a high density neighborhood would run on a daily basis. Um these businesses have been around a long time, they're well established and Everybody who's familiar with this area knows you know a lot of them are over the road trucking companies so they load up and they take off wee hours morning or what have you. So I'm more inclined with chairman's thought of two two and a half acre

   1:44:41home sites for this general area if we're going to go residential. Um if not residential, I if ideally it's a it's a it's prime time for job creating location.

   1:44:53Um So I'm I'm kind of aligned with the Chair and not aligned with staff's recommendation on this.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:45:04I have a question.

   OakleyChair

   1:45:05Well let's let's finish the public comment because there may be some. Does anyone else here wish to speak to this item? It has not spoken. Is anyone on WebEx?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:45:16No sir. Not Mr. Side.

   OakleyChair

   1:45:18Okay. Now uh back to the board and we'll uh have any questions.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:45:23Yeah. Can you um Can you go close can you um go to yeah what is the property that is facing ninety-eight?

   OakleyChair

   1:45:36That's from over here?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:45:37That has a house. Um okay, see where that little piece comes down on this property? The cro the proposed? Yeah. What is that property to the left of that corner there?

   OakleyChair

   1:45:49Right on the left

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:45:50here at the bottom? What kind of zoning is that?

   OakleyChair

   1:45:52This one?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:45:52Yeah.

   OakleyChair

   1:45:56There's about three homes or I know maybe trailers.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:46:01I see mobile homes. I see

   OakleyChair

   1:46:04I was put in there years ago. About

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:46:06thirty. So it says Mobile Home Subdivision. Um and it's there's f four mobile homes there.

   1:46:17I mean I'm now I'm looking at the property appraiser site. I don't know what's actually there because it looks to me like there's more there than is actually on the property appraiser site.

   OakleyChair

   1:46:27It's an AC zoning.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:46:28Huh? That's aggro that's the same zoning as the other? But it has one, two, three, four, five, six, at least six, maybe seven homes on it. How's that possible?

   OakleyChair

   1:46:45It was done before our time. That's existing.

   OakleyChair

   1:46:48Yeah.

   Denise

   1:46:49Denise Hernandez, Planning, Development, Economic Growth. We we have not searched it, but we could look to see if there's a nonconforming use determination, if There's a a pre uh pre-dating zoning December first of nineteen seventy-five situation going on there. I mean I I if you give me a few minutes I can probably see what I can find if that's something that's that the board needs to know.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:47:12Yes. Okay, so I'm looking at Google Maps. And I see one, two, three, four, five, six houses on let me see how much land that is. Would you like to make that answer? Yeah.

   OakleyChair

   1:47:27No. You can't talk with you. Sorry. Sorry, Charlie.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:47:31Um how big is that lot?

   Weightman

   1:47:34Eleven point seven eight.

   OakleyChair

   1:47:37That property that property you're looking at there was approved many years ago, maybe thirty or so years ago. Uh Mr. Keith was the owner of that at the time, had his home there, and he put in those other he got approval to be able to put in the other four or five mobile homes. And they were rentals and helped him in his livelihood. By the commission never thirty years ago.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:48:02That those have been it's that was approved over thirty years ago?

   OakleyChair

   1:48:06Yeah.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:48:09Um but I don't I just think it's very inconsistent to say they have to be artificial. And he can have you know, multifamily. Um and then you got industrial across the street. Actually the best story I heard is should we consider that is that best to be job creating rather than houses. I think that but I don't think it's fair to say everyone else can have That kind of

   1:48:39zoning across the street you got Res three, you got the mobile home park, but this guy but you're in a rural area so he has to have two and a half acres. That I I I think we be very inconsistent with that kind of rule.

   OakleyChair

   1:48:53Mr. Chairman Mariano I can't help what what was done thirty-four years ago when they set that up. The fact of it is it's there and we're living with it. We don't have to keep having 40 or 50 foot lots and half acre lots in the rural area. Where the way of life out there is a rule.

   Mariano

   1:49:12Mr. Chairman Mariano.

   OakleyChair

   1:49:13Yes.

   Mariano

   1:49:14And another point to it, that's on US ninety eight. This road this parcel doesn't connect.

   OakleyChair

   1:49:20This no, that property doesn't. The

   Mariano

   1:49:21property we're talking about

   OakleyChair

   1:49:23does not connect.

   Mariano

   1:49:23So it's a different road. But those it's

   OakleyChair

   1:49:25a different road. Those trailers right there are ninety eight.

   Mariano

   1:49:27Right. They're the trailers run ninety eight. These are not.

   OakleyChair

   1:49:30That property is on thirty five eight, which is the old Lakeland Highway, on the east side of that road, plus the railroad tracks on the opposite side of that road.

   Mariano

   1:49:39So the consistency part doesn't jive with me that it's a different roadway.

   OakleyChair

   1:49:44Different type

   Mariano

   1:49:44of roadway. Right.

   OakleyChair

   1:49:49Any other questions? Um yes, ma'am?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:49:52What what was the staff's recommendation?

   OakleyChair

   1:49:57for the Crossways M P U D.

   1:50:01The staff recommendation was to approve the Planning Commission's recommendation to adopt the zoning amendment, which would allow entitlements to build forty single family detached units on half acre size of lots.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:50:11Yeah, I I I'm still I think that's very consistent with the neighborhood. Yeah.

   OakleyChair

   1:50:19I don't know how

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:50:19you

   OakleyChair

   1:50:20I don't know

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:50:20how you come with

   OakleyChair

   1:50:21that conclusion when you're out of the rural area and there's nothing else around there.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:50:25Well, you know what? When they approved up to that it was in the rural area too. Look at it now. So um

   OakleyChair

   1:50:31So we keep building.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:50:34But half a half acre is not to ha half acre is not dense. Forty foot, I'd say that's pretty dense.

   OakleyChair

   1:50:42It's all about well in septic. Yes. Half acre of lots on that piece of property and put 40 lots, that's that's a lot of well and safety. So those are shallow wells, they're not deep wells.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:50:54What is the plan for utilities up there?

   OakleyChair

   1:50:56Mm-w they're proposing well and septic on the fourth.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:50:59No, no. What is the county's future plans?

   1:51:04That's in the city?

   Weightman

   1:51:05Think the city would tie in th this would end up Yeah, we don't

   OakleyChair

   1:51:09have we don't have water sort out in that area.

   OakleyChair

   1:51:16We'll get that's what comedy utility is easy.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:51:22I tough Hannah with the Pasco County Utilities. Um That part of the county is far uh away from any central water or central sewer that we have right now. Uh we are assuming uh Um Low density, which is really I mean we're it's not gonna be served by water and sewer in this area. The only water close by is the Sunburst Wells, which is really

   1:51:53uh just south of this project and it's at maximum capacity right now. We don't have any room to provide for this project and that's where we ended up. deciding that this cannot get water. Right.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:52:09So is that what's keeping that flying J or whatever that property was? That That's what's keeping that other property from getting developed?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:52:17So I'm not sure about the density of triple G.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:52:21Triple J.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:52:22Triple G is is probably well inseptic, so

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:52:24like the

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:52:25um jokes. Oh yeah,

   1:52:34Um but uh Yeah, we we uh we are at maximum capacity right now and it's just serving the area around that sunburst wells. On ninety eight there is a twelve inch water main that serves that area.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:52:52And um I see Dade City keeps annexing on the other side. Are they working their way 'cause once they annex it it's gonna be forty foot lots, front loaded. Um, are they working their way this way too?

   1:53:09Take city.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:53:10They're quite some

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:53:11distance.

   OakleyChair

   1:53:12They're short they're short of this property.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:53:15Yeah. Well, those are my sense.

   OakleyChair

   1:53:17Dade City doesn't have water or sewer either for

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:53:20Yeah.

   OakleyChair

   1:53:21Well the ones they might have had MX they don't have one, so.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:53:27I'm not sure if you have to get Ms. Yeager answered.

   OakleyChair

   1:53:30Ms. Yeager?

   Yeager

   1:53:31I just wanna had a comment that I'm I I'm gonna go with you, Commissioner Oakley, just because this is your area. These are your people, you getting the phone calls and um I I'm not fond that there's no water or sewer, so

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:53:46Okay.

   OakleyChair

   1:53:50So in terms of the Dade City annexations, I don't know what their annexation plans or priorities are. Um what I understand right now is that our map is showing the Dade City boundaries, the extent of the Dade City boundaries. They have descended, so to speak, to Townsend Road and US ninety eight. That's the furthest extent south and east.

   OakleyChair

   1:54:13As a crow flies, that's not very far from this property, but they still have Dade City has annexed a lot of property out this way toward ninety eight to the south of Dade City and they don't have supply of water or sewer for for connecting to any of those properties. So they can't even have projects, new projects inside that annexed uh city area because they don't have water and sewer for 'em. That was the same thing that happened to the west of Dade City.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:54:43Yeah.

   OakleyChair

   1:54:43Some they do, some they don't.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:54:47So they don't

   OakleyChair

   1:54:48at this time.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:54:49So taking um big picture so we don't waste a lot of people's time, i is it the is it our intent to take all this land that is not developed in this area and down zone it?

   OakleyChair

   1:55:07When

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:55:07so that I mean

   OakleyChair

   1:55:08No, you're you're not talking about down zoning. You're talking about Higher

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:55:15No, I'm asking if all these

   1:55:20if all this land that's out here, are we wanting it to be two acres or more per unit? 'Cause I don't think what what's our rule? What's in the complan now out there? And what's the plan?

   OakleyChair

   1:55:35It's agricultural land.

   OakleyChair

   1:55:37The the particular area, subject site itself is Res Six. Res six. On the east side of Lakeland Highway, you have agricultural rural, which is point two dwelling units per grossation.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:55:50How many? I don't know why I can't hear you on Seth Weightman

   OakleyChair

   1:55:52East side of Old Lakeland, beyond the CSX corridor. It's the future land use is agricultural rural, which is point two dwelling units per gross acre. To the south of the subject site.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:56:04So that's half acre lots? Point no point.

   OakleyChair

   1:56:10That's five acre lots.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:56:11Five acre

   OakleyChair

   1:56:12lots. Yeah. To the south at the inter well, at the bridge. Sure. Yeah. Hello. Well none.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:56:24Shake it harder.

   OakleyChair

   1:56:27Well at the north at the north uh east corner northwest corner of US ninety eight and Old Lakeland Highway, uh right right where they come together, uh you have uh I L, future land use, industrial light, surrounded by ROR, Retail Office Residential, which has a max density of twenty-four dwelling units per gross acres on that that node right there. Surrounding that is Res three and then to the north again we

   1:56:57have more industrial light uh future menu. I think challenging

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:57:01I think I think in applications like this it's good to see the overall picture of the area that we're talking about.

   1:57:08So

   OakleyChair

   1:57:09I can tell you it's rural. Most of it was grow land and and pasture land.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:57:15But i i it it it's rural when you look at it, so is our ranch, so is my blueberry farm, but it's resident. Yeah,

   OakleyChair

   1:57:22but y'all y'all decided to change it.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:57:23It's re no, uh we don't have to change it. It's res

   1:57:27It's res nine, but it's a blueberry farm. It's it's multifamily, but it's a blueberry farm. So just because it looks like

   OakleyChair

   1:57:34that zoning was changed, it was an ag before that. So these are the future land use categories.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:57:39Well there's two different levels here.

   OakleyChair

   1:57:41So here you have the res three, which kind of wraps it on to the south. The res six uh district, if you will, where the subject property property is in R O R, I L here, I L to the north. And all this is uh at the agricultural world.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:57:58On the other side. But on this side it's six dwelling units per the acre. And you're proposing two dwelling units. One point what?

   OakleyChair

   1:58:08W

   1:58:08one

   1:58:08point three.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:58:10I don't know what basis you're denying it on.

   OakleyChair

   1:58:15I think it's too dense for the area that's in the

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:58:18But it's res six.

   OakleyChair

   1:58:21There's no services at all.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:58:23But but they're allowed to do well in septic on a half acre or larger. I I I I'm not a land use attorney. Uh looking at my attorney? What? I mean.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:58:44The the board may deny the rezoning leave it at at AC or whatever it is now. But just if

   Weightman

   1:58:50if we're talking about it, you have a line of businesses trucking operations. on the west side of Old Lakeland Highway, right at a major intersection with ninety-eight improvements going east towards Lakeland. I think it's better suited for a job creating site personally than residential right there. But if we do go residential, uh higher density isn't going to cut it.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:59:17Half acre.

   Weightman

   1:59:18But it's it's prime location for potential For commerce.

   1:59:28I don't know if Chair has any thoughts on on that opportunity.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:59:34Not if he wants it to stay out.

   OakleyChair

   1:59:40It just to me it just doesn't seem the timing's right for this. So uh there's a lot of a lot of land that hadn't been Made in higher density. Coming out of Dade City before you get your way out here.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:59:54Is that Dade City where it's dark blue? Which says annexation like

   OakleyChair

   1:59:58that? That might be some of their new annexation. And

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:00:02then how far is that?

   OakleyChair

   2:00:04What about one mile. Point point eight six miles.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:00:07Well.

   OakleyChair

   2:00:10I just don't feel it fits for the for the timing of what we're talking about now. Mr. Chairman? Yes, sir.

   Mariano

   2:00:16Um I'd like to ask the applicant if they would be willing to go to the two and a half acres.

   OakleyChair

   2:00:25So the question is if if you would be able to go to two and a half acre sites.

   What

   2:00:32I mean I think from the applicant's perspective, um You know, they've they're already the site can allow under REST six hundred and seventy six units, so they're down to one point three units per acre. They're they're actually at forty units versus a hundred and seventy six units, which is what the land use permits. So I think they're to the point where they're you know, there's not much more that they can carve out of this in terms of reducing density. I think they probably would rather I can ask them, they're not here. I can check with them really quickly, but I think they

   2:01:02may want to just go ahead and you know, move forward with whatever the board's recommendation is and go from there.

   Mariano

   2:01:08Yeah I think you're looking at denial. If it's if it's denied you're gonna wait a year to come back.

   What

   2:01:12Right, right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:01:14What about one acre?

   What

   2:01:16Yeah, maybe, you know, one acre versus half acre. I mean two and a half acres is quite large for, you know, what's going on around this property. There is, you know, a lot of um More dense development coming online. There's, you know, dense development in in Dade City. There's the I think as the commissioner pointed out, some stuff to the south that's, you know, a little bit denser. It's, you know, they're on half acre lots on Wall and Septic. So to go, you know, given we're on this side of the you know, the the rail line, um and it is REST six, you know, maybe

   2:01:46one acre lots. They would be okay with that. But the two and a half acres is just kind of out of character. But obviously, you know, we're gonna go with whatever the board's recommendation is 'cause we do wanna move forward, so

   Weightman

   2:01:58And Shelley, they're stuck on residential only.

   What

   2:02:02Yeah, this has been residential because it's res six. What will have what I was mentioning back there is to do non-residential on this piece you'd have to do a f a flume amendment. So whoever would have to come in would have to go through a whole f you know, future land use amendment in order to do anything non residential on it, which you know, I don't know that that It's feasible,

   OakleyChair

   2:02:19so

   2:02:23I still I I think through it but I still can't um support that. Two and a half acres possibly but nothing nothing more dense than that in this area.

   What

   2:02:39I'll be happy to answer any other questions you have. I mean we would you know, one acre would be better than two and a half acres. But um you know, they do want to move forward. So whatever the board's recommendation is, you know, that's what we're gonna go with. That's you know, we want you all to be comfortable and it's your choice. So but we do think that it's significantly reduced at forty units under REST six 'cause we are literally at one point three units per acre.

   Mariano

   2:03:01So

   What

   2:03:01what

   Mariano

   2:03:01what would two and a how many would two and a half acres give you?

   What

   2:03:05Um I don't know the math on that. We'd probably cut it in half almost. Twenty some units.

   2:03:14There wasn't any even at the hundred and seventy-six units, um the traffic study that was done by Elizabeth Rodriguez, um there's nothing even at 176 units, which of course is not what's before you today, it was not triggering anything in terms of level of service on Old Lakeland Highway. So there was no issues there either.

   2:03:34It'll give us twelve units at two and a half inches.

   2:03:41We did agree, I know Mr. Hall had we had the question about the wall. We did agree to an eight foot wall on that s on that uh southern end adjacent to his property. He did request that, so we did agree with that as well. So um we're good with all the conditions of approval if you just want to remove condition A. Um I think there's a lot of good stuff in there that's um you know will be good for the county and is you know part of subdivision approval, so we're fine with all those conditions to remain.

   Mariano

   2:04:03I'll make a motion to approve with thirteen units. How many? Thirteen. Tough to build a happy unit.

   OakleyChair

   2:04:11My thirteen.

   Mariano

   2:04:12Doubt to the half a unit.

   2:04:17That's

   OakleyChair

   2:04:17an odd number.

   Denise

   2:04:24Can I answer Commissioner Starkey's question from earlier on? Yes you would. Two point three three acres. So according to our historical maps, there were three mobile homes on that property, so our nineteen seventy five maps and two homes on that property. So a total of five units on that property per our nineteen seventy five maps. So it would be like a legal non

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:04:41conforming use. Yeah, there's six on there. I'm looking at added on the Pasco map actually. Okay. It's

   OakleyChair

   2:04:49been like that a long time. Huh? Thirty, four years.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:04:53One

   OakleyChair

   2:04:53one

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:04:53owner and

   Denise

   2:04:55there's at least one unit there that was from nineteen

   OakleyChair

   2:04:57fifty eight. Crazy.

   2:04:59I remember when they did it, but I don't remember uh I wasn't here for the activity on it. All right. I have a motion that's it's dying without a second. I didn't get a second on 13 minutes.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:05:12I'll make a motion for 15 units. Right.

   Weightman

   2:05:18Why like light industrial on this thing?

   2:05:23It's res

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:05:25six.

   Weightman

   2:05:25Doesn't matter, it's a line with trucking operations and everything in a US Highway intersection.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:05:30Yeah.

   Weightman

   2:05:30Next to Rail. No rail. Massive improvement. Well it is, but but you also have going south going southeast. I mean it's a it's a prime intersection for commerce in my opinion. Yeah, the expansion of ninety eight going southeast in the lake.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:05:45Does it matter if there's some water and sewer for for a desk? You

   Weightman

   2:05:48can get a package plant.

   OakleyChair

   2:05:50Mr. Chairman Mariano. No, we we don't do package plants now. Yes sir.

   Mariano

   2:05:55Maybe we talk to the applicant about and continue this and maybe talk to them about doing a board initiated. Form amendment. To go that way. Take the expense away from them, encourage them to go this way here. You could get the job creation if they're willing to do so.

   Weightman

   2:06:16Is that a motion? How do we do this? This is a first one. I want to bring the applicant

   Mariano

   2:06:19up to make

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:06:20sure.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:06:20This is what our count comp plan changes will fix. What goes where?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:06:26So it would be a motion to continue um to your next to your next meeting in in Dade City, but I uh I assume the commissioner wants some buy-in that there'll be discussion over that.

   Mariano

   2:06:42We're talking about if we continue this item back. If we did a board initiated comprehensive plan amendment to go to a light industrial. So you wouldn't have the expense of that. We would take care of it.

   What

   2:06:53Yeah, I did I I wanted to talk to um my client about it and so if the continuance would be in order so we can try to get everybody comfortable with this idea and speak about it that would be fine. I'd be happy with that. They're unfortunately they're not they're traveling.

   Mariano

   2:07:05What's the next meeting in Dade City? September third. September third. Move to continue to September third.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   2:07:10Second.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:07:11Mm. And that would be at your one thirty.

   Mariano

   2:07:13Not the one thirty meeting.

   OakleyChair

   2:07:16Okay, got a motion and a second. Mm-hmm. Um all those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay.