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1. 1Jul 25, 2024
   Planning CommissionPC12Consent agendaNo disposition in the minutes

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2. 2Aug 21, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP78Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

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   Denise

   1:19:27Right. Um P78 is PG 247805. It's a zoning amendment in the name of L S McAmis Blues Blue Sky Storage for a change in zoning from RMH Mobile Home District to a C2 General Commercial District.

   1:19:44And the applicant proposes to develop the property with a freestanding recreational vehicle boat storage in conformance with the C2 General Commercial District standards for development in Section 1105 of the Land Development Code, which is self-storage facilities design standards.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:20:00I'm not sure that we did the proof of publication.

   1:20:04Appreciate it, Mr. Clerk. Campa Bay Times, July 10th, 2024, affidavit of certified mailings and site posting. Thank you. Okay.

   Denise

   1:20:13So the site location is within central market area, not within the cent the urban concentration area or any of the rural areas?

   1:20:21This is the context map. To the west of it is a mobile home park. To the east of it is Shady Hills Drive. Share the whole.

   1:20:33And uh let's see, this is the aerial of the property. As stated, the parcel has a future land use of com commercial.

   1:20:43And the current zoning is RMH. It currently there are agricultural pursuits on the property. It's approximately 2.4 acres. Um sorry about that, it's Moon Lake Road. I don't know why I thought it was Shady Hills. Moon Lake Road, which is a county-maintained arterial road that hate has 80 feet of right-of-way and it's adjacent to a conceptual planned Moon Lake Road Trail. And um we are recommending that the um Board of County Commissioners approve this item and this comes to you with a recommendation from the Planning

   1:21:13Commission as well for of approval.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:21:20Okay.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:21:20Um

   1:21:23This is a public hearing, so is there anyone to speak

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:21:29We have no one signed up or online.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:21:32Okay. Does anyone in the audience wish to speak to it? Seeing no one, then it goes to the board on discussion. Thank you, Chairman Mariano. Lisa, if we go back to the map, please. Of course.

   Seth Weightman

   1:21:44So Moon Lake. Is uh redeveloping and developing. And so looking at this road long term with road wide of right of way, possibly expansion. The mobile home part behind it Could potentially be sold into the future. I don't have an issue with this use today. But I'd like to sunset the youth. Put say fifteen year time time limit on there. And then That way if if m you know Things continue to evolve in this area that We

   1:22:14just don't have storage sitting on a potential four lane right on the front of a four-lane highway. So

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:22:23What what do you mean by that?

   Seth Weightman

   1:22:25You can't yeah but we can put 15 year where's Mr. Engle I'll give him the credit for this one. So when we were discussing the use we were discussing the use, there's different scenarios where they can be what it is for a period of time and then it's sunsets. And within that period of time, there's significant right-of-way on Moon Lake. It could become four lanes. And then you have storage, outdoor storage sitting right on a main turf fair. It's a it's a pretty way pretty pretty

   1:22:55road and Behind it. It's one owner. These aren't individual homes, so it could evolve into something. So Gotcha. If we set this up for perpetuity, I just I just think it could evolve to something potentially bigger and better and leave options. So Talking it over with staff, like well it's not necessarily inappropriate to put a a fifteen year time time on it and then when it's up then it can be readdressed or the owner can

   1:23:22Make a decision in the long term as the Moon Lake area. grows and and and you know improves that We don't have what we've been trying to get better at in this county sitting right there on the on the main roadway.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:23:34Okay, so it's not a vertical storage facility. This is boats and RVs. Boats and Well that's c sometimes a placeholder for something else so that the whoever owns it is getting money until it yeah it becomes something else. Yeah, I I like your approach. Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:23:53But this is you clue Yeah Mr. Chair go ahead. Um We have done that in the past for special exception uses and there's been a number approved that way. However, this is a Euclidean rezoning that you're not gonna be able to just condition. Now The applicant could add that to their deed restriction. They're already doing a deed restriction for Live Local, but that would be up to the applicant to See if they're willing to agree to that. We have standard language that does what you're talking about. that we've imposed on some special exception approvals. But w uh we I would want the applicant

   1:24:23to get up and say they're willing to add that to the deed restriction.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:24:28I I agree. And the other thing I'm gonna ask for is and maybe it's already there, is that they cannot put a chain link bob wire fence across the front of Moon Lake M Moon Lake Road.

   Jack Mariano

   1:24:37Mr. Mariano. Thank you. I was first intrigued intrigued by 'cause I haven't seen that done f by this board. So in interesting to put the time clock on it, but One thing that that I do like better is by taking it away from the RMH, which we don't want to see it there anyway, it does at least keep it in a different zoning, which is gonna be something when they get ready to develop, when the need's there, it's gonna happen anyway. As long as they can't build structures and it's just regular R V. So you're actually helping stimulate it by not putting a clock on it as opposed to doing something now.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:25:06Mm-hmm. Is the owner of this property the same owner as the mobile home park behind it? This Ms.

   Denise

   1:25:14McCamis is in the audience. I don't believe that she owns a mobile home park behind it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:25:20You need to come come forward.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:25:26When you get it there, uh state your name and address.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:25:34Um Nancy McAmis, [address removed]. Uh

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:25:39Ma'am, could you confirm that you were sworn? That you took an easement.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:25:42Yes, yes, I saw. Um uh uh in couple of quick comments before you go any further. One, um the mobile home park is not owned by us now, but it was developed by the McAmis um in seventy-two. So we've been there since nineteen seventy-two. And our hope is that we were to do this R V boat boat storage. Um Just so we had some income to hang on to what we have because we are the two hundred so acres

   1:26:13behind this. Um so um And uh so th that's what I just wanted to address. We really um We've been um people have come to us and said, hey, we we want to buy your property. We really enjoy being there. Um and really haven't had any plans to develop. And the other thing is you do plan on widening Moon Lake, but that's been on the books a long time. And it still hasn't happened. I don't know where it is now. But um you

   1:26:44know, I c I can't bank on what's gonna happen in the future, but I hope to stay there for a very, very long time. Okay. Any questions for me?

   1:26:53Well,

   Seth Weightman

   1:26:55I guess my question is for staff, which is which is better, I mean, to Commissioner Mariano's point. We're not denying we're not we're not, you know you're in a good spot. But I'm I guess the goal is to prevent vertical s potentially vertical storage and have architectural design standards and You know, things that make it look like a little bit of a little bit of a looked and act like a better a better use of the of the of the place so Um

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:27:23So what you're proposing is that we just do R V storage open for fifteen years and then revisit it, is that correct?

   Seth Weightman

   1:27:30That was with my conversation of staff based on the evolution of Moonlight Road as we you know, as time goes on. In that way it's complementary to whatever the potential whatever happens at the R V park behind it. if that owner decides to sell it or what have you to to something maybe bigger and better. Um I just didn't it's it's a prime location. You have a great spot and I hope you're very successful with it. I just want to make sure the decision we make today sets it up for for you know you

   1:28:01all and the site for tremendous success for for the county as well. So

   1:28:08If you if if if you think it's your area

   Jack Mariano

   1:28:10so it's on the border. But I I I really I mean really changing from R M H to a C two is a good thing. And if she's just gonna keep this when the market's right for her to make a change, she's gonna make a move. Until then you're not putting any pressure or any guns on it, just It's a simple thing.

   Seth Weightman

   1:28:29Okay, all right, we'll

   Jack Mariano

   1:28:29we'll leave it as it is.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:28:31Um I do have a question. 'Cause is that a mobile home community or a travel park? No, it's a mobile

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:28:37home uh par uh park, mobile homes. Um I believe it's supposed to be fifty five and up and uh currently they are um yeah and the one next then just there's another one, Imperial Oaks, which is right next to it and you know, we're back behind all that.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:28:52Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:28:52And um you

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:28:54know

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:28:54uh

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:28:56It's a toughie because boy you sure don't want to see this on a main arterial road, but you know what? They're really needed. There's a big shortage of RV and boat stores. Um So I'm I'm torn a bit, but I do think it's good to get it to see two. Um But I wanna uh Liam, is there the re I don't want Chain Link and Bob Wire. Um and it's not

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:29:21I I would say this I'd love to work with the county on what is the best look. For it. Okay. We want it to be good and secure. Yeah. And that's one reason. Chain link. No, you gotta put a fence around it. Right. Oh, yeah. But not button. We would like to work with that with we could do the site development. We didn't go through the site development first because we wanna make sure in fact we could do it, you know.

   Seth Weightman

   1:29:42Yeah. Yeah. Not to get into where are we at with Well we kind of horse traded up here to take a look at at the fences. When you have storage, you need something a lot more secure than a vinyl fence, right? So for these folks to feel safe and confident of having leaving their property here at this site. They're probably gonna need something, the strength of chain link. And then covered covered with some nice buffering or what have you. So where are we at with that? Modification to the ordinance that way this site successfully.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:30:12Yeah, I I don't know. I I've seen several different ones. The good quality chain link fence that's fifty percent opaque. I personally we we think that's a good fit. And we've we've looked around at a variety of them, Pasco County,

   Seth Weightman

   1:30:24her name. I'm sorry, my question was to to staff. That wasn't pressure on you.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:30:30We had a requirement that across the front of a

   1:30:36Okay. Frankly the the metal fence is where the rods go straight up and down and you can't climb over those. The chain link fence you can stick your foot in and climb right over.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:30:45I know it's for staff, so but I know that um we would work with you on that's what I'm gonna say.

   Denise

   1:30:53Okay, so two two things um to state. So eleven oh five, which is the section that they have to comply with, specifically states that chain link then that razor wire and similar materials, chain link fences Um should not be allowed there. Um additionally The um it states that they have to be screened from view view from all property lines that are adjacent to right-of-way a fifty percent opaque fence or wall between six and eight feet in height. So it's already embedded in the code.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:31:22Okay.

   Denise

   1:31:23And then to answer the question regarding the changes that the board asked us to do, which is on c on industrial properties. and um to state that they're coat coded, you know, vinyl-coded fences. Um that is going to the LPA on 917, I'm sorry, on 919. Uh the BCC for first reading on October eighth and the BCC for adoption on October twenty second. So it's coming your way very soon. Okay, well,

   Seth Weightman

   1:31:50they'd be able to have Pretty decent security, that way they could get customers and

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:31:56Pleasure of the board. Alright, move approval.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:31:58Second.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:32:00Got a motion and second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay, that pass. The next is reg rhyme, but we're gonna go back 'cause I think I missed an item.