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1. 1Aug 6, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP62Public hearingContinued

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   Ron OakleyChair

   1:06:28Uh P sixty two.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:06:29Approved for publication temp May Times June 26, 2024.

   Denise

   1:06:35Item P sixty two is PG twenty four seven eight zero eight. It's a zoning amendment under the name of Dave Mitchell's Holding Company, Mitchell Clinton rezoning for a change in zoning from R1MH, Single Family Mobile Home District, and C2 General Commercial District to a C2 General Commercial District with a voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction related to the Live Local Act. Comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the Planning Development and Economic Growth Department and the Planning Commissioner.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:07:03Okay. Is anyone here to speak against this item?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:07:08Um I

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:07:09see another one.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:07:09I have a question and I

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:07:11on P sixty two?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:07:12Yeah, and and it would be the same to the one before. Um because this is the area where and I asked this in my meetings with staff. This is the area where the DOT in the county that we did not put in the multi-use.

   1:07:29Have we determined which side of the road that's going to go on at this area? Is it going to be on the north or the south side when we go to connect this to 301? Because on this is on the north side, P61 is on the south side. It's got to go on one of those two sides. So I just want to make sure we're reserving the land that we need for that multi-use pack.

   Liam Devine

   1:07:58Liam Divine, Planning and Economic Growth Department. So there is currently so going back to P sixty one, um, you're saying that's on the south side. There's currently a twelve foot wide multi-use um path already in existence that was just put there and that's on the north side. However, it stops at Curly Road and it does not continue on. So after Curly Road going east, um which is where P sixty two is on the north side. Um there's just two five foot sidewalks on both sides. Um I don't know if it's

   1:08:28been planned for, I can tell you it's not currently in the CIP plan.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:08:32Well that's a problem because we've already met with DOT and we know that they have the right of way And we're going to talk about it at the MPO meeting to put it back in from Curley to Prospect on the north side. We don't know. I think it's coming across the street from Prospect On, but someone needs to make a decision here. And for you to not even know, I mean Oh, I'm so frustrated that that we're so

   1:09:02piecemeal that we're we're trying to preserve this land.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:09:06Commissioner Oak if I might, Clark, Tommy, Hobby and Hobby PA have been sworn. This is not that section of fifty two at all. This is on the west side of Maratha. This is not near Curley. This is about two miles away from the section you're talking about.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:09:23This okay, so this one wait, which one

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:09:25this is west of Murata. Just west of Marata where the old broken down uh I think it was like some kind of warehousing thing was there, but there's a multi use path in the area on the north and then there are the paths required by Connected City that are that's what the the conditions and the deed restriction are about are building the path connections that are required by Connected City.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:09:47Okay, so there's al already one on the north side.

   Liam Devine

   1:09:49I I think we're confusing two of the items, which is P sixty one and sixty two. Right. So I think we're on P sixty two. Okay.

   1:09:56Okay. Well I asked a question on both, so it's not near that fair. Alright, so P s p P so sixty one is okay.

   1:10:0562 is what we're currently looking at in the area. Right.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:10:08So I'm I'm asking staff, I'm asking my planners, I'm asking somebody. When we fix the mistake of when we stopped the multi-use path at Curly. From prospect East, which side of that road is it gonna be on?

   Jack Mariano

   1:10:30Mr. Chairman M you wanna just pull this on consent and then we'll talk about it because then we pull it give them a chance

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:10:35to pull up a bigger map. All right, then they can figure out who's gonna act who's gonna Tell us what the plan

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:10:41again you asked staff for those answers before this meeting.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:10:45Uh I did not have a meeting on sixty two. I had a meeting on No, I don't have a meeting.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:10:50I mean, you've gone over these items but you said you asked staff and you didn't get an answer. So I have a problem if

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:10:55staff didn't give you an answer. I thought I asked I asked had a meeting on this Mitchell one and I asked that. Is that just Mitchell? Yeah, Mitchell.

   1:11:05But they d but I didn't have an answer.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:11:08I just said it had it

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:11:09it has to be addressed.

   Denise

   1:11:13But no one's addressed okay. I I think we have a few people in in the audience that can assist with that in in um including but not limited to our county engineer. Um so is this being it's are we pulling that from consent, item P sixty two? Yeah, why don't we do that? And I believe the applicant is um is on on WebEx on that one. That's uh Barbara Will Hayden.

   1:11:42So that that is the end of your consent agenda? Um

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:11:46P because P sixty three has been pulled. It's being

   Denise

   1:11:49pulled, yes. And there's someone signed up to speak on that one as well.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:11:52And I I did want to make a comment on the road The road on the first one. On P six P sixty? P sixty. Okay. Just when when I look at that, I know it's too late. I I've talked to Mike Galvin about this and others. This road section.

   1:12:13It is a hundred and forty two feet. That is s that is such a lot that is a lot of land. And And I and and hey, I'm all for you know I want the multi-use trail on one side and the sidewalk on one. And but to have from the edge of the road Um all the way over 29 feet. Uh you're you're gonna have to be running to co cross these streets. And here we're trying to build walkable communities

   1:12:44and I believe these road sections are crazy expensive and I think we've made a mistake in these um to to look if you look on the right hand side or the left hand side. It's twenty nine feet from the edge to the sidewalk.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:13:02Oh.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:13:03I why why did we do that?

   1:13:09Clark, you do you Yeah, I believe

   Denise

   1:13:11all these road sections were based on the villages of Pasadena Hills planned. So that's already approved within that village.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:13:17That target left the horse or barn or whatever they say. Um I just think we were way way out of line to be asking these guys to build roads like this. We would have been a lot better with more roads and smaller roads and a grid than having these gigantic expressways. Okay.

   David Engel

   1:13:40David Engel, Planning Development, Economic Growth. The road cross sections are part of the VOPH plan. We've retained Bill Oliver to do a new study for VOPH to ascertain if we could reduce these roadways. And uh I can't I can't speak to this because it's already a given, but in the future and next year we'll have new new recognition. Mm-hmm.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:14:07Yeah, I think um I think we need to do that.

   David Engel

   1:14:12And I guess P sixty two is a bolt because there's just wanna let you know there's sidewalks on both sides of uh

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:14:18Side Yeah, it's supposed to have the most used trail on one of those sides, so I I wanna pull that for discussion. So so you've got sixty and sixty one I think for approval.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:14:30So you're pulling sixty two now?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:14:32I'm sorry. Which is the I'm confused.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:14:35She

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:14:35she

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:14:35wanted sixty two fold.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:14:37Fold, yeah. So I'm I moved to approve sixteen sixty one.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:14:42I got a motion. Second. And a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Motion passed five zero on P sixty one, P P sixty, P sixty one. Now P sixty two, what is the question?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:15:00Okay.

   Liam Devine

   1:15:05So presentation for P62 Liam Devine, Planning and Economic Growth Department.

   1:15:12P sixty two. PowerPoint?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:15:15Oh you won't I just add the

   Liam Devine

   1:15:17map. Unless we don't want a presentation.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:15:21No, I just all I'm asking is

   Liam Devine

   1:15:23So we've had

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:15:24we uh you know

   Liam Devine

   1:15:25So I the I think the the question might be better suited to your transportation engineering department. Right. Um because that would be with the CIP and extending that. I can just tell you where the current trail stops at Curly Road, it's on the north side.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:15:38Yeah, so I'm going to go to the right-of-way.

   Liam Devine

   1:15:39So so I don't know if they would continue it on the north side, but I don't think there's any plan to but that question would be for your y for Ted.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:15:47Okay. This is why we need that trail person higher at D S A

   Sun Coast

   1:15:50T.

   Liam Devine

   1:15:51Welcome Nick.

   Sun Coast

   1:15:52Hi, I'm Ted.

   1:15:54Uh good afternoon. Uh Nick Uren, County Engineer. The question is are we going to build a a wider sidewalk on the north or the south side?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:16:03So you're aware, I think, um the multi-use path, which was supposed to be all along the north side of fifty two, connecting to the three oh one trail.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:16:13Was narrowed.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:16:14Was stopped. at Curloo by some someone's decision, not ours. We had no knowledge that someone decided to stop that. So we met with DOT, we've talked a couple times with them, that we wanted to continue. And they have said they have the right of way to continue it on the north side from Curley to Prospect. But from Prospect

   1:16:44on To

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:16:45301.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:16:46There's there's more challenges and it was thought that it needed to go, my understanding, my recollection, was that it probably needs to go on the north side of Prospect. So we've been reserving that every time a project comes through, we've been preserving.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:16:59North Side of

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:16:59I'm sorry, south side of Prospect.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:17:01South

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:17:02I mean fifty two. Clinton Bakay, whatever you call it. From Prospect East.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:17:07Clinton Avenue.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:17:08Yeah.

   1:17:11And so we've been reserving that every time a project comes through here. Um I just wanted to be sure if you guys have had further discussions that that is where where it's gonna go. I'm gonna ask that on every piece that comes up on Clinton. 'Cause I don't wanna have a project go and then we then we have to stop. Then then it goes from a multi-use path to a sidewalk. Sure. Multi use path. So

   Sun Coast

   1:17:39Mr Chair, I I guess the the best response I can give you at this point in time, we don't have a design for the pathway east of Prospect, putting it on the north or the south side, but there is a condition of approval on this rezoning that requires them to convey right-of-way from the center line of the road, consistent with our comprehensive plan width, which would give us the option to put a pathway on the north side should this rezoning be approved and this and this petition conveys the land needed. It keeps our doors open. Yeah.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:18:09Keep the door open. That's all I'm asking. That's perfect.

   Jack Mariano

   1:18:12Hold on,

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:18:13Ms. Chair Mr. Chairman?

   Jack Mariano

   1:18:14Yeah. But who's going to pay for the sidewalk? Shouldn't we have them paying for it?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:18:18I I don't think that's you know I don't know if that's what determined yet, but at least we've got to make sure we have the land to do it.

   Jack Mariano

   1:18:25I agree with that, but then there's we're making all the other developments put the trail in or put the sidewalk in.

   1:18:32It should be something in front. And that should be done at the time of construction, not after the fact. So if we think we won eight or twelve And we have the rights to ask for it, then let's let's ask for it now.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:18:42You know, we don't have that one person in charge of all of this. That's

   Jack Mariano

   1:18:46true.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:18:46That's right, but right now I do believe they they've interviewed someone and they're about to hire someone. So it's not me.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:18:54Mr. Chairman, you've got I don't know that you've taken public comment on this, but you've also got an applicant online that probably wants to address this. Um

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:19:04the same one?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:19:06Sixty two.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:19:11Can you volume? Can you hear me? Yes. Can you hear me?

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:19:17Yes.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:19:18Hi, Mr. Chairman Commissioner Oak Barbara Will Hyde. So this property is already zone C2 along Clinton Avenue, and there's already a site plan approved along Clinton Avenue that set up the requirements for development along Clinton Avenue. What we're doing here is a cleanup because we have a parcel under single ownership that has split zoning. We have commercial land use on the entire parcel, and we have split commercial and residential. So this app Is to rezone the residential

   1:19:49portion, which is to the back of the parcel. So this we really don't have the ability to effectuate any other what Mr. What your county engineer said, which is already in the staff area. We don't have the ability to effectuate this. We already have the project already has approved site plan. It's got a requirement for conveyance and rightway, and ultimately all we're doing is cleaning up a split zoning situation on this property.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:20:17Okay.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:20:20when we look at the maps that are in our um Uh in the application On on one map it goes all the way to the edge of Clinton, but on another map there is a gap. um between the parcel and Clinton. It

   1:20:38It's a little.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:20:44go over this with staff and have a little better answer and presentation to you if that's

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:20:47acceptable we'll continue. Well if that if that comments if that comment that the county engineer said is in there that if we do if it if it is coming on that side then there's land for it. That's all that we need. I don't need any

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:21:04mentioned a minute ago.

   1:21:08Mr. Chairman

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:21:08Mariano

   1:21:10restriction in your package.

   1:21:15And just scrolling down. Just add it up.

   Jack Mariano

   1:21:21Hey Mr. Chairman Mariano? Yes. Uh Barbara?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:21:26Yeah.

   Jack Mariano

   1:21:26Congratulations, but this is nowhere to spend a honeymoon.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:21:31I didn't show you a picture. I did show a picture. Oh I'm

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:21:36really

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:21:37happy

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:21:37to continue this. I I'm not gonna continue if there's there's no urgency on changing this up. I'm happy so we can come back.

   1:21:45Everything I ask you to do is something that you're comfortable doing. So I'm fine continuing to the next meeting in Dade City and we'll we'll bring it back and give a look at that and make sure we can answer your questions.

   Jack Mariano

   1:21:54Move to continue so she can get back to Ronnie Move.

   1:21:59So let's

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:22:01still public hearing.

   1:22:05Does anyone want to speak to this item today?

   1:22:10Or when it comes back Nate City at time circle. Cool.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:22:16Yes So if there's no one there the motion would be to continue to September third at one thirty or soon thereafter in date. So move

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:22:28second Got a motion of second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. It's continued.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:22:36Seven o'clock. We'll have dinner.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:22:38All right.