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1. 1Jun 4, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP48Public hearingAdopted

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   Approved to adopt by a roll call vote.

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   Ron OakleyChair

   1:13:43Move on to P48.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:13:46Item P forty eight was published in the Tampe Times on May twenty-second, twenty twenty four.

   Keith

   1:13:52Mr. Chairman Members of the Board, good afternoon. I would like to think that my item's gonna be a little more straightforward than that.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:13:58Me too.

   Keith

   1:13:58If not, if not I called libraries and we're gonna bring Raymond back from the raise and hopefully. Seemed to work really well this morning, so you gotta work. All right, uh quick recap. So back in April, um actually my assistant director presented the needs assessment for the board. You requested that we bring back an ordinance, so the ordinance for the parks MSTUs with a focus on capital maintenance is in the

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:14:23realized that if you have trouble, yeah

   Keith

   1:14:25we want Christina back. Uh fair. That's fair. And I'm sure she's watching right now, so she she knows. Anyway, so yeah, April 10th we presented the direction was to bring back the ordinance. Here we are. Quick recap just in history. Parks master plan adopted back in 2016 identified a series of needs, both in deferred maintenance, improvements in existing facilities, and then new projects. Most of all of you know I gave Commissioner Yeager an update recently. Obviously, the impact fees address the growth element, which is a huge victory. I

   1:14:56think for Pasco County and the youth and everyone that used parks. This is kind of the the other side of the business in the parks universe. So the one thing that the Parks Master Plan did not do is it did not contemplate the long-term operation and maintenance of said capital facilities. So as you can see, I'm not going to list all that out there, but that's basically what is currently in your existing inventory. It is a ton of facilities, estimated around 500 million. Plus, plus or minus. So the current budget for the department is in operations is $22

   1:15:26million. That's around $32 per capita. We did get a few years ago a million dollars for non-capital improvements, which we did add to the operating budget. We try to create a reasonable benchmark with similar jurisdictions that have the same inventory, same populations, and that that goal, that benchmark is around $58 per capita. So you can see where we're Back in 2018, we had the general bond or general obligation bond that was funded by the public, which was amazing. And but unfortunately, those funds are

   1:15:56basically running out. So going into fiscal year 25, the Parks Department has zero dedicated funding for ongoing capital maintenance and facility maintenance. So, how we got here, very similar. We didn't uh quite dive into all the detailed science that uh Public Works did. Very impressed with that presentation. Made me a little nervous coming up here, quite honestly.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:16:16Just show some pictures.

   Keith

   1:16:17Yeah, well, I took I took the pictures out because I felt like we we addressed that in April. But um, so we we we created basically a standardized assessment replacement schedule. We worked with the facilities management team, we basically identified life. Expectancy of all the amenities that we have in each park, and that ultimately is rolled up into an annual budget request. And on average, that's around eight million dollars a year, pretty much what we need. And again, we have we do not have that in the existing budget that's funded from the general fund. These are just some examples

   1:16:47of what this MSTU would fund. Series of park renovations and playgrounds, fencing, lighting, resodding. uh the list goes on and on. This is just a quick overview of what the costs would be eligible for as identified in the in the ordinance in front of you. So routine maintenance, daily housekeeping, that's replacing clay and ball fields to basically just doing all kinds of routine weekly and daily items. And then the capital maintenance piece, the non-capital, anything under 50,000, basic

   1:17:17improvements and repairs, equipment, capital equipment, what we're We're trying to figure out is how we actually standardize our inventory at each park. And then of course the actual salaries to certain individuals specifically focused in the maintenance operation. So that's it. Um basically the recommended action is to accept accept public comment and uh adopt the ordinance and as I understand it we'll be talking on determining the actual number at next week's budget workshop. So I'm here for any specific questions.

   1:17:49And it looks like I don't need Raymond quite yet. Mr. Wayman. Poor Keith. Porky. Uh uh does not sound good, Commissioner Yeah.

   Seth Weightman

   1:18:00So

   1:18:03In in principle I Like the direction we're going with roads and with parks. But what I do have issue with with the parks and I've shared this with you all before is the str structure of the M STU. I just just wanna put this on the record. I really don't wanna tax our businesses for the parks MSTU, even though the MSTU I think legally it will have to. I think the emphasis needs to be on residential single family and on the multifamily housing product and I

   1:18:33think the multifamily product should pay more than single family uh within this program to support our parks uh and all the needs that that come with it. So I just don't necessarily think it's it's the right thing to do to tax our businesses who are already, you know, paying a lot of money to the county and everything else to keep our economy going. I think this is pretty much a residential benefit overall. And um that's just my My statement on the pox in this deal.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:19:03Mr. Chairman Mariano the only thing I'm going to comment on of the Commissioner's statement is you can't create a different millage rate for different classifications. I I

   Seth Weightman

   1:19:15noted

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:19:15that.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:19:16Um this is how Hells Grove pays for their parks and this is how it's done. I mean I mean and we are so

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:19:25been done that way for years.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:19:26Yeah, and um Commissioner Yeager, you you weren't here years ago, but I will never forget when the parents from the Little League Complex here in Dade City came to us and pleaded for help because they had to turn their lights on and off, their complex with a two by eight so they didn't get electrocuted. I mean they were literally using a board to flip the switch. Um, so uh I know you've had kids go through the programs here and I have had to invent coach

   1:19:56for many years and we just can't have bleachers falling apart and nets falling down on people's heads and the grass at the fields be dirt but dirt fields instead of grass fields. We just and You are gonna find that the parents of Pasco County need their need more athletic fields and we have got to find a way to catch up. Um I tell the story that I moved to uh West Pasco in 1992

   1:20:27and uh we didn't get any new soccer fields there until Starkey Ranch District Park opened up a few years ago. Go. It was thirty years we didn't get any new soccer fields. Look at all that growth.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:20:38Yeah.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:20:39We still haven't had a Little League complex open in the thirty two thirty three years I've lived here. We're trying to get one at Bexley. I ran into I know, we're working on it. The I ran into the Starkey Little League parents at the low cash concert at the market. And they're like, Where's our fields? Where's our fields? So Um We need we need to help out this parks department and as far as I'm concerned when we invest in our youth then the sheriff doesn't have to deal with them later.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:21:07So

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:21:08this is important.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:21:09But um we've had ever since I've been elected we've had at least twenty years of deferred maintenance on our park system and we're I hate to thank COVID for this, but fact of it is, Keith was able to get a lot of that main deferred maintenance taken care of during the COVID times when the fields weren't being used and he had the assistance of his all of his folks to be able to do that at the time. So thanks for that. We picked up a lot of that deferred maintenance and brought them up to speed. And

   1:21:40this new system was the money's coming for the new parks and they're based on people coming in building houses and that money that impact fee will go toward these parks for the future for the new kids coming into town.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:21:55And

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:21:56not not charging the people that are already here on that.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:21:59And there's older kids like me? Um but I love to use the parks. And so I don't want you to only think of the little ones. Uh I rode my bike on the Coastal Line Coat Trail. I'm gonna show you some pictures here of the boat ramp in a second. Um but yeah, I want parks for for for my age kids too. Okay.

   Lisa Yeager

   1:22:19I also want to add that when we invest in our parks too, um, it helps with our area, like our our businesses because you have teams coming in. Um, you're bringing in, you know, competition from people who drive two or three hours for their kids games to compete. So you're also bringing in uh you know, people to support our small businesses and things like that.

   Keith

   1:22:40Absolutely.

   Jack Mariano

   1:22:42Okay. Mr. Chairman

   Lisa Yeager

   1:22:44Mariano.

   Jack Mariano

   1:22:44Yes, sir. Commissioner Yeager sounds like you're one of those parents. Yeah. Um Keith, on your numbers you said that fifty-eight percent fifty-eight dollars per capita is what is spent elsewhere and we're spending thirty-two? Yes. Do you factor the impact fee that are in place that we collect that others don't?

   Keith

   1:23:02No, sir. No, it's a separate the the impact fee would be y you know capital revenue, so it's just o that's just the operation. It's a little different.

   Jack Mariano

   1:23:09So per per the the per capita using is just on maintenance alone, it's not nothing to do with building fields either. Correct, yes. Okay. All right. Um

   1:23:19It's a difficult situation but you need the parks. When we had the economy drop back in O six, oh seven, uh we definitely felt the impact and everything was cut down thirty percent for parks and libraries, so there was definitely a lag lag there. Um It's important to get caught back up because again, the the better quality of lives for our families, the better it is for all of us. Just a matter of how we make the numbers work.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:23:43Okay.

   Jack Mariano

   1:23:44I'd

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:23:44love to make the motion after you take proper public comment.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:23:47I got public comment, so is Does anyone sign up for this item?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:23:51Mr. Chairman for this item. I have no one on WebEx.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:23:57Nancy Hazelwood looks like she's coming to the mic.

   Nancy Hazelwood

   1:24:02I'm sorry, I'm a jumping jack today. I'm getting my exercise though. Nancy Hayeswood [address removed]. Um This one I wanna remind you there are environmental parks. Nobody talked about those, but those are important too and this will help those also. So I think this is a very important part to what Mr. Wiley does. And I think he's done an admirable job on a

   1:24:32lot of things he has done over the years, especially the e-Lamps program and those environmental LANs. Thank y'all.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:24:40Okay. Thank you. Anyone else in the office wish to speak to this item?

   1:24:46If you're wanting to come speak, come forward. I won't see you. Okay. We'll close public comment and

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:24:55move to approve.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:24:56Got a motion? Second. And a second. Rocal vote.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:25:01District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Yeager. Aye. District five, Commissioner Mariano.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:25:08Aye.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:25:09District one, Chairman Oakley.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:25:11Aye. Motion pass five zero.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   1:25:13See you

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:25:13should have done it last year. Thank you. Yes, sir? No, I was just saying thank you. Okay. Thank you. I thought you wanna add a bunch more for us, uh

   1:25:23So um they've been messing up my schedule of finishing, you know, by three. Anyway, uh County Attorney,