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1Sep 21, 2020
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Jack Mariano
Now is the time for public comment. Citizens are given an opportunity to comment on any item coming before the board during the public comment section. The public the board also takes public comment items to be placed on our future board agenda or other business under their purview. Due to the COVID-19 operation to safeguard the well-being and safety of our citizens and staff, today's public comment will be handled differently. First, we will take public comment from those that we have pre-registered for our WebEx link in our current LEQ after we read into the public comments, documents, PowerPoints, or videos that have been identified. By members of the public to be read out loud, play at the meeting are received and filed. Finally, we will take public comment for those currently signed up with the
kiosk station's comment or not to Exceed three minutes. This new format does not waive the request that when you address the board, comments are not directed personally against any commissioner or team member, but rather directed to the issues. This provides a mutual respect between the board members and the public. For WebEx and kiosk participants, after sitting your name and address for the clerk, the timer will be activated and we'll start a countdown. After two minutes, one beep will sound, letting you know that only one minute remains. After the time is up, two beeps will sound indicating them three minutes are up and you should close your comments. WebEx participants will be disconnected when their time
is up and kiosk participants will be moved away from the kiosk and before we move on I'm gonna ask Mr. Stein Center to please go over the proceedings with today's BCC.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Be happy to, Mr. Chairman. On March 20th, 2020, Governor DeSantis issued Executive Order 2069, which recently has been extended by Executive Order 2193, which suspended any Florida statute that requires a quorum to be present in person or requires a local government entity to meet in a specific public place. However, the board has chosen to hold this board meeting with a quorum physically present utilizing utilizing communications media technology for the for
the public and team members to participate. A detailed advertisement was run in the Tampa Bay Times indicating the Board's intent to conduct a hybrid virtual meeting. Even with Executive Order 2112, the Governor's Safe, Smart, Step-by-Step Order, large gatherings of over 50 people are not recommended to congregate in any public place that does not readily allow for public motion. for appropriate social distancing. The State Surgeon General on july twentieth, twenty twenty, issued a public health advisory indicating
individuals should refrain from participation in social and recreational gatherings of more than ten people. Based on this, the conduct of a regular meeting would certainly not meet the spirit or intent of these orders. The public has been afforded an opportunity to make public Public comments, either in writing or by the use of communications technology that has been provided. The Board has adopted Resolution twenty-one eighty-two on June thirtieth, twenty twenty, establishing the procedural rules for hybrid virtual meetings. Such as the one being held today.
As with any meeting that you take action, you are required to take public comment on any proposition pursuant to section 286.0114 Florida statutes. I'm available for any questions.
Jack Mariano
Thank you, Mr. Steinsteiner. Madam Clerk. Uh before we move up to the kiosk, do we have anybody that's pre-registered to speak or any emails to read into the record or receive and file?
Ron Oakley
Oh One gentleman had pre-registered through the WebEx link, but he is not connected. And we did have quite a number of emails for file only.
Jack Mariano
Okay.
Ron Oakley
We do have three people at the kiosk.
Jack Mariano
Great. So we will go ahead and move on to the kiosk. And for the folks at the kiosk, once we pull you up, I will need you to state your name and address for the record, please, and you will have three minutes to speak to this board.
We can go ahead with the first person, please.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Lake Estates, my address is [address removed]. And I am here today to express my concern on the mask mandate. What happened? Prior to that, I just want to say good morning to you all. I've sent a few emails to probably all of you. I haven't heard a response back yet. Um but I am here talking to Tracy and I just spoke to Mr. Biles briefly, so I'm hoping today will answer all my questions after today. Um I have been a resident here in Pasco
County since December 2005. I am a proud resident here in Pasco County. I do appreciate all the work you all do. Uh start Kathleen Stuff and Jack Mariano. I see you with the community all the time. And I just wanna let you know I I greatly appreciate that. Um my concern with the masks is Not Um, there are consequences to wear on masks as well. So my concern is for that, my concern is for the businesses here in our community.
And I just want to make sure that You know, Well getting the right science, data, facts, information. I from what I understand you get that from the Board of Health. That's the vibe. I just wanna make sure I I I wanna know What if you all Yeah. Yeah. to your decision on the I mean you think it's adjusted or if you keep it a required mass mandate. I wanna know um
all the information that you all use to get that to come to that decision. And that's really um basically all I have. I just want answers to questions, and I'm hoping to get that today after today's meeting. And I want to see the supporting documentation. Again, the science, the data, the facts, the information that you all use, the sources of information that you've used to come up with your final decision on what you all decide to do with the mask, because that's important to
me. Um, because there's a lot of information out there and a lot of doctors across the country. that have a different view and experience and education on the mask use.
Thank you.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
Thank you. Next please.
Jack Mariano
Hi. Hi, name and address for the record, please.
Carol Lee Schmidt
I don't give up my address 'cause I'm a guardian but I am living in Gulf Harbors. My name is Carol Lee Schmidt. I'm the wife of a twenty-eight year veteran in the army. Hope that is okay. I can't pass it on to Jack later. If that's okay.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
This go ahead, ma'am. You're exempt, yeah, that's fine. You're good you're good.
Carol Lee Schmidt
I am here today because I have many children that I would love to visit but I can't because I can't wear a mask due to many, many medical issues. If you notice I wear a medical error because I have black and out trying to wear a mask. Fractured my arm, my ankle, I had a black eye. This is really hard for people with medical conditions to be forced to wear masks. I can't get my daughter an x-ray. because they demand I put a mask on, not a shield.
She has scoliosis. It it's not fair to all of us. I could see it being highly recommended, but forced especially with people with ADA issues, it's not fair. It's not fair to us. I have spoken numerous times to Jack and Kathy and others and it's like well I know what I could do for you. Please help me. Let me be a mom. Let the other people who have medical issues be a mom. This should not be forced on
us. Uh you also stated Dan Biles on August 26th that the numbers kept coming down, that you would look at changing the mask mandate to highly recommendation. The numbers are really down. They're really down. Why are we still being forced?
County Administrator
Thank you.
Jack Mariano
And we're gonna um just since um the speaker asked the questions, we're gonna a lot of those will be answered today during the um presentation from um Mike Napier, which is the director of of the Um for the Department of Health, um Pasco office. And in addition, he can we can also speak about if you have medical issues, how you're not required to wear that mask, and he can go into m more details in that presentation shortly. That way your questions will be answered, ma'am. Thank you. Is there
anybody else signed up to speak? I think we had three, correct?
Ron Oakley
No
Unidentified speakerVoice D
more.
Jack Mariano
Okay, great. And hi. Hello, sir. Could I have your name and address for the record, please?
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Absolutely. Good morning. Bill Ball, Vice President and Chief Operating Officer with Tyndall Oliver. And I'm here today to talk briefly about agenda item C93, which is a task order between Pasco County Public Transportation and Tyndall Oliver. Basically, just want to say that we as Tyndall Oliver as a long-term partner with Pasco County appreciate the work we've done together over the past 25 years. We appreciate the potential opportunity that this task order represents.
I just wanted to mention that this is a key service area that our firm offers throughout Florida and throughout the United States. And I am here in the lobby today should the board have any questions for me as the consultant for this Thank you for your time.
Jack Mariano
Thank you, sir. We appreciate it. I'm gonna ask one more time. Is there anybody else that's walked up?
Ron Oakley
There is nobody else at the kiosk.
Jack Mariano
Okay, great. Thank you so much.
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Jack Mariano
C ninety three, Mr Scheibel. And then again commissioners, we have three more four more pools after that. Just doing them o in the order they were given to me.
Wait, Mr. Biles.
County Administrator
Three three of those are I mean you have three pools for P C P T, so it may make sense to have
Jack Mariano
We can do that. So um tell me what the other ones were PC.
County Administrator
Okay, the other one was C ninety what? C ninety four and then you wanted to talk about C ninety six. So all three of those are PCD directors. Okay, we can do so.
Unidentified speakerVoice E
For uh C ninety three, um we left off on the back for the fiscal year and added the statement for fiscal year twenty twenty one. That's for the poll and revise.
Jack Mariano
Wait, wait, for C ninety three?
Unidentified speakerVoice E
C ninety
Jack Mariano
three, yes, sir. Okay, so discussion. Yes.
Mike Wells
Um I would I would like to have some discussion on this. I was gonna pull it to discuss if I could. And thank you, Kurt. Thank you to your and your entire team for what you guys are doing. So I've got a question and I know we heard the gentleman speak on behalf of the uh the consultants. Um so I got a couple questions. Now when I read the summary sheet on the first page, the agenda memo, TOA has worked with PCPT, Metropolitan Planning Organization, on vital transportation projects, including PCP Transportation Development Plan, MPO's
Long Range Transportation Plan, and other transit and planning projects within the last three years. Which I think is great. Um my question is, you know, what if okay, if they work with us the last three years, what have we done With the information. Um You know, what are the results of the plans that they've worked with us on for the last three years and uh
Unidentified speakerVoice E
First result was it helped us get our uh extension of the uh hours on Route nineteen. So we expanded the hours as part of the TDP that gives us the goals that we're looking for. The other one is we're also looking in as part of the COA is the actions of developing a microtransit system in the upper areas where I I believe that would be very good. I know I briefed that at the MPO meetings before. Um other places where they've uh helped us out and uh I can't speak to that, but I know they
do a lot of work with the long-range planning for the MPO and have briefed uh many different plans that they have worked with on this. And I'd have to have to ask the MPO and what they they did for those are examples out of the the things I gave you earlier. Okay.
Mike Wells
Um and you know, this board I can speak for a couple of us aren't maybe huge fans of consultants um in general. Now I know when this was approved in December, it was improved with nine other consultants for nine other departments. So quite frankly, if I would have seen this for you, I would have pulled in. We would have discussed it then. Um so that's on me. So I you know, that is what it is. So Like um 4.5 prepare prepare for a and participate in budget meetings with county staff, develop
staffing assessment methodology memo, which is what they're saying they're gonna do, conduct staffed interviews, perform staffing needs and capability assessment, prepare technical memorandum number three. I've said this from the beginning when I first got elected. Again, we and we come a long way with working together. But we're still not there. Um you should already be doing all this. We should already be working 'cause I know Terry Pitos and his team, they already have a long range transportation planners. You're included with You know, he's got
transportation folks on his team that part of what they do is is include you and your team on the future. Looking out, you know, twenty five years. So I My thing is you know, I think that's a good thing I don't know that we need this consultant. I think that the teams very well you know, either way I'm not gonna vote in favor of it. Um I think You know, I think that if you were to bid this separate on your own, I think that you might get I can think of three local companies in the region besides them that their niche is Transportation.
Um and I'm not taking anything away from this. They they do a lot for us and they do a lot for the region. But I think if you would have done it separate and your what you do is a little different. Um but I just my question is again
If they've already been helping us for three years, and I know you gave me a couple examples which should have been on here, um, but You know, basically there's two there's two plans on here. Really they haven't done much for us, for your team. in the last three years and you stated on here that we we we worked with them. So that that's my issue. I would like to see you either put this out to bid or find a way to do it internally, I think that You know, we talk about like the Sterling stuff in here. They talk about we already have a certified Sterling
person on staff and I know that they've worked with you on some things. And again, you've come a long way since you've been here. You got a great team. Um you're I've I ride the buses, I I meet your drivers, you know, they talk about um taking studies and talking to passengers, we're already doing that. So there's a lot of things in here for 550 grand. It's a lot of money. I can I can think of other counties that have had transportation folks like a Sarasota County, which yeah, they're about a hundred thousand dollars less or a hundred thousand people less than
us. But that consultant was they paid two hundred fifty, three hundred thousand for. Again, I just want to make sure we're getting the right bang for our buck and I honestly and I'm not taking anything from away from you and your team, but I think that we have a great team here and a lot of these things we should already be doing. Um and you're not the only department, but we should already be collaborating together. I think the scope doesn't need to be so large. Again, I think a lot of these things you're already doing. Um and again I'm not taking anything from you. I think you've
done a great job um with your team, but I'm I'm not gonna approve this. I would like to see you put it back out to bid or find a way to do it internally. Um and I think we have I can think of three other companies in the region that weren't aware of this bid because there was nine other bids put out with other departments. It was kinda I don't wanna say hidden, but it was it was in there, you know, it was it was down towards the bottom and in there, so
Jack Mariano
Commissioner O before you respond, I got more questions. Yes,
Ron Oakley
sir.
Jack Mariano
Commissioner Oakley.
Ron Oakley
I mean five hundred and fifty thousand dollars for this, is that for one year? No,
Unidentified speakerVoice E
that's over
Ron Oakley
the life it
Unidentified speakerVoice E
il the for the life of the project, sir from now until the end. That's the not to exceed amount.
Ron Oakley
So they've been working on this five hundred and fifty thousand for the last three years. No, we're we haven't
Unidentified speakerVoice E
started yet.
Ron Oakley
A new project.
Unidentified speakerVoice E
New project, yes sir.
Ron Oakley
Okay. Just just seems like a lot of money.
Unidentified speakerVoice E
I understand.
Ron Oakley
We need to get the best bang for our buck, so Um
I'm not too sure I'm in favor of maximum $50,000 for that.
Unidentified speakerVoice E
Well, do you want to answer them now, sir? Do you want to
Jack Mariano
tell me to keep going for a second, if you don't mind? Commissioner Weightman.
Jack Mariano
Yeah, Mr. Chairman. I think Mr. Wells, uh Commissioner Weight brings up some great points. Uh it's probably something we need to relook at. I mean we try to keep our business local as much as we can. Not that these guys aren't local, they're the next county over, and they've they've been with us a long time and obviously um they've done a good job for us. But if there is a way to save money, I think we ought to go take a look at it. I think this thing maybe you guys should pull this thing back, bring us us back something more detailed and then let's go take a look at what we can do putting it up for bid to get even some other companies to bid on it to try to save money.
Jack Mariano
And let me go and to Commissioner Starkey, did you have anything?
Kathryn Starkey
I would agree. Um, I feel like we're b we're voting on this without knowing if we're getting a good deal. Um, I think when we have consultants for a long time sometimes we need to step back and make sure that we're getting a good price. So I would be in agreement to uh bring it back.
Jack Mariano
So can I help you through this a little bit?
You want to just withdraw it?
Unidentified speakerVoice E
Well I I do want to answer the question about the bang for the buck.
Jack Mariano
That's
Unidentified speakerVoice E
fine. Um I do want to answer. Because th I think the biggest expens your concern is the cost. This is not my first COA. I've done many of these things.
Mike Wells
There's much more than the cost. Again, I think think for for what what you're you're getting, getting a lot of the things you're already doing.
Unidentified speakerVoice E
Um
Mike Wells
can do in in house.
Unidentified speakerVoice E
Yes, no. Uh yes it's
We'll withdraw it then. Okay.
Mike Wells
Thank you. Thank you, Kurt. Thank you, Kathy.

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