PW-22-0046

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1. 1Feb 22, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP70Public hearingApproved

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   Approved the item per Staff’s recommendation.

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   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:09:21Item P70 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on January 19, 2022.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:09:26Uh PW 220046, Seaford Drive, FIVAS number 3461. One street discount and maintained its um estimated cost is about eighty-five thousand dollars. Maximum cost per ERU is three thousand eighteen dollars and twenty-nine cents. The discounted amount is thirteen thousand six hundred and twenty-eight dollars and twenty-four cents. And the maximum cost per ERU after the discount is two thousand four. Five hundred and thirteen and seventy one cents. There were thirty possible votes. We received uh twelve

   1:09:56responding to the uh petition, that's about forty percent. Seven were in favor, fifty-eight percent, or five were against uh forty two percent. Repayment is over a ten year period and the maximum sorry and the interest rate is three point two five uh percent. Uh location map. and a footer of the road condition.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:10:16These are all kind of in the same general neighborhood. This isn't yeah. Madam Chairman

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:10:21So if you're looking at the right side of the road, it looks like it is raised about four inches or a few inches, but on the left side of the road some of it's not raised. So when they repave the road, how are the sides gonna go? Are they gonna have that lip on the side?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:10:36No. What happens is that when you repave you should be just slightly above the existing edge of the gutter so that the water goes into the gutter. On the right hand side, it is below. So it tends to follow you know the road instead of going into the gutter. So when we're done, it should be just slightly above and the water runs off into the gutter.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:10:54Oh I see on the left side there's a gutter, but on the right side there there's not a gutter. It's just a raised

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:11:00side. But it's a little bit lower and these you have grass growing is there a pointer on this?

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:11:05There's no gutter. Yeah there's a gutter. Yeah there's a I see the gutter on the left.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:11:10There it is. Okay, there's the galler. Oh, I thought that was a

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:11:13sidewalk.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:11:14No, no, no, no, no, no. And this is a grass floor

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:11:18in the

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:11:18right-of-way.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:11:20Sidewalk really up

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:11:21there. Okay, I see the sidewalk up there and okay. Never

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:11:24mind. I see.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:11:25Okay, is there anyone um here that wants to speak to this?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:11:27Yes. I do have someone signed up.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:11:29Okay.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:11:30We have Dan Spice. Come on up.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:11:41Good afternoon. I'm Dan Spice. I live at [address removed]. I'm here to speak against the assessment for paving, but particularly about the system involved in this. Commissioner Starkey, thank you very much for your fast response to me. I appreciate that. I've lived in St. Pete and also in numerous other states. I've never been directly assessed for roads before. It's always been included as a part of the property tax in every Locale in which I've lived. Paving costs spread over the entire tax base, it's a more equitable paving schedule,

   1:12:11I think, are a more sensible way to deal with this. This arcane formula, with its ERUs, pays no attention to the amount of road frontage, which directly affects the actual costs of paving. So a smaller property then subsidizes a larger one on the road frontage. Doesn't really seem fair. In addition to that, garbage trucks, Amazon delivery vehicles, county school buses, are they paying for the denigration of the pavement, which occurs with the heavy vehicles at a much higher rate? No.

   1:12:42It's part of the taxes they pay elsewhere, just like property taxes should be the the way to pay for paving projects. You own the streets, you've already accepted them as county property. They're there for the entire county benefit. In the case of Seaford Drive, Moog Road east of Madison and Tuckahoe, with Seaford but butts to at one end, are in a similar state of repair. So we still get to navigate the same road conditions to get to Seaford Drive. Doesn't seem tremendously practical. Now,

   1:13:12last year's Fuhrer over Crane's Roose Drive and the Paping Project there was a signal that the system puts hardship on many. residents, but especially those on fixed incomes. It's dollars they won't be spending elsewhere in your districts, uh including with merchants and to county sales taxes. I'd like for you to delay the project and consider changing the system and find a more sensible and less onerous way to approach the paving. Thank you.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:13:39So um

   1:13:42Just so you know, we are we are an unusual county that does it this way. Um in our ad valorem line items, we could charge a fee, an advice fee for Road and Bridge, but we do not. And most of our money goes into silos. So in the silo of Road and Bridge, we collect nothing. Uh we are looking at changing that um plan and it's gonna be coming back to this board They tell me sometime In

   1:14:13the next few months, I think.

   County Administrator

   1:14:15We're getting ready to sit down with each of you individually, kind of walk through it before we

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:14:19bring

   County Administrator

   1:14:19it back.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:14:20And it's my hope we do uh change it. But for the meantime, this is the way we do fix our roads. And um and so it's kind of uh The county pays twenty-five percent above a certain amount and then we uh charge the residents for the r remainder. Um and then there is a special cla special help for those on a certain kind of income level. Um but we did get a favorable vote and we kind of

   1:14:50go by the vote of your neighborhood. And so your vote was positive to fix your road. Uh Moog Road is a collector arterial, one of those two, and the county does maintain those roads. That's a little ex explanation.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:15:07Part of the problem with MOOG is on once you get past Madison toward the new Copper Springs development, it's in such a bad state of repair at this point that people go down Seaford because it's the next road over.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:15:18I just uh I just showed that to them um last week and they are gonna go down there and we'll be we'll be fixing them. Thank you very much. It's in it's in really bad shape at the end. Thank you. Thank you.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:15:28Uh Commissioner Mariano. Yeah, just to make a comment. Um You know, looking at and it d it looks deceiving as far as the picture is whether it's sidewalk or gutter, but Knowing that the road is that much lower, I think you're gonna find these roads will last a while once that pavement gets up there. W the water can then get to it just like Bear Creek. So that should be a good thing.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:15:45Yeah.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:15:45I'll move approval. Thank you, thank you.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:15:47All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay, one last P seventy one. Thank you.