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1. 1May 17, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP77Public hearingContinued

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   Ron Oakley

   1:36:03are to P seventy seven. Item P 77 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on April 13, 2022.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:36:13Good afternoon, commissioners.

   1:36:17This is PW 22080. And this is the Elzol El Sol Court, PVAS number 3479. It's one street, it's counted maintained, it's paved. And the estimated cost is uh 23,000, uh approximately 23,600. The maximum cost per ERU is 7,850, 52,200. Uh the discounted amount is four thousand $889.28.

   1:36:48The maximum cost after the discount um per ERU is $6,139.25. There are four possible votes. Only two responded. One was a yes vote and one was a no vote. So we have the 50% required. That's why we're here. Um annual inst ins installments is over a 10-year period and the interest rate is at 3.25%. This is a local location map and um uh an example of the condition of

   1:37:18the road and staff is recommending approved.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:37:21Not much of a road.

   1:37:23Wow. Is this the first time coming in for a P VAS?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:37:27Yes.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:37:30Um it's in my district. Um is there anyone here to speak against this? We have a

   Ron Oakley

   1:37:39couple people signed up to speak, but I don't know about the

   1:37:43Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:37:45Good afternoon, Commissioners. Hugh Townsend, [address removed]. El Sol, the Sun Court. Uh there were two that responded. Uh my house is, by the way, contiguous to El Sol Court. Two people responded. I was the negative. And Mrs. Marvin was the positive. Doctor and Mrs. Sandy responded in the negative, however, they were just a little bit late. I have a letter from Dr. and Mrs. Sandy

   1:38:16stating that they still object to the project, and that they had made repeated requests to have the potholes filled over a long period of time. Uh I'd like to enter their letter signed Uh dated seventeen maybe. Of this uh well they date it at twenty twenty one, but it is current. I can have her resigned if you wish. I'd like to have it entered into evidence.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:38:40Motion to receive and

   Paul Thatcher

   1:38:41file.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:38:42Some

   Mike Moore

   1:38:42of are we

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:38:43saying second?

   Paul Thatcher

   1:38:44All in favor?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:38:46What am I doing over

   Paul Thatcher

   1:38:47here?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:38:49Uh now I also have a letter from the other owners. No problem. Uh Maria Samis and her husband Halopanos. Uh they also object. They are new residents from New York City. They did not fully understand the letters that they received. Um I explained it to 'em. They uh have a handwritten letter. Uh dated uh seventeenth May twenty twenty two. to whom it may concern Uh also objecting and

   1:39:19they do not want the project to continue. Uh permission to enter into evidence.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:39:25Motion to receive and file.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:39:26Yep.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:39:26All in favor? Aye. Aye.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:39:32Uh next I have a letter from uh Mrs. Pat Marvin, the affirmative vote. Um Basically uh dated again seventeenth May Uh Twenty twenty-one again, but I'm sure she meant twenty-two. I can have her resign it here. Um The introduction is we attended a community meeting on three may twenty twenty two and spoke with Representative Ansley Caldwell uh based on the information provided at

   1:40:05We would not like to proceed with the PVAS recommendation. Her conclusion Uh we kindly request PVAS 3479er not to proceed nor be fulfilled as we have no desire to shoulder the shared monetary burden uh of repaving the roadway. Now, I would like to enter this letter also into the evidence.

   1:40:36Permission to approach?

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:40:38Motion to receive and file.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:40:39Next time just hand them to them all at once, ma'am.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:40:42I need

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:40:42a second. The dramatic effect of reading it.

   Paul Thatcher

   1:40:46All in favor?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:40:47Aye. Aye. Um On the four May informal meeting with Ansley Caldwell, Chief Project Manager. We expressed a desire That

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:40:59Thank you. See if you had done those all at one time you would have saved some time.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:41:03Well, in conclusion, I just wanna say that after the May f after the May fourth meeting on Cinco de Mayo A crew from the county arrived at El Sol Court, and repaired half the cul-de-sac. On sixth May. They returned to El Sol Court, repaired the rest of the cul-de-sac, and I believe that the issue is mute. the uh potholes and issues have been repaved. So I am requesting that this uh issue be

   1:41:33dropped. Um I had originally sent an email on uh 28 April requesting that millings and rolling be done as was done on many other streets in Hunters Ridge at no cost to our residents. But now that the issue has been resolved by Mr. Calwell's people coming out. And repairing I would like to have this entire repaving issue.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:41:58Okay. Um so gosh, um that is not a pothole situation. No, you you're sorry, thank you. Madam Chair, there are three other people signed up. Okay. So um would anyone else like to speak on this issue?

   Ron Oakley

   1:42:09I have three other people signed up. Um Hardip Sani.

   Mike Moore

   1:42:14Is that on this one?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:42:15That's on this one? We have another PVAS coming up. She's signed up on seventy-seven. Okay, come on come on up. Did any did anyone else there sign up

   Ron Oakley

   1:42:27to speak? There's a person by the name of Bobby also signed up.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:42:30Bobby here?

   1:42:32Okay, anyone else who wants to speak on P77? You can come up. And there's Patricia Marvin. So anyone who wants to speak on P77, please line up. Madam Chair,

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:42:42do we have pictures of the road fixed in the past two weeks?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:42:46Well I'm I'm gonna guess it's a temporary fix. It's not, it's just uh yeah, okay. Go ahead.

   Hardib Sini

   1:42:53Sandy.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:42:54You wanna um lower that mic for the right-of-way.

   Hardib Sini

   1:42:59My name is Hardib Sini and I live on [address removed]. Uh For many years we called and asked to repair the potholes and they and that is noted on the letter And those were fell on the deaf ears when we talked to Mr. Ansley Cardwell. And he

   1:43:29says that's another department. And the neighbor, my next door neighbor also called for many years and you guys send us information that is true. We did keep calling you guys and nothing was fixed. Then finally in the end we ask how do we get help? to get this whole fill. And we were directed to print this form from the website. And Mel

   1:43:59in And we did. And that's when this whole thing started. Nobody came to fill our holes. And then suddenly we get a bill.

   1:44:11And then once we brought it to Mr. Cardwell's attention and him saying, Oh, I don't know that and I didn't know that you guys were asking for it And when we left the meeting the next day, as Mr. Townsend said, somebody showed up And also we got an email that we did request these things. How come those were not fulfilled? Since two thousand eighteen repeatedly asked

   1:44:42and protect us with these big holes and you see the the situation of the road. Um barely a dirt roller now. You see it. I don't have to say anything. It's horrible. And once the two days that somebody came I'm not saying that you guys did a great job, but you did fulfill some of the requirements. At least we can drive safely. without running into a whole

   1:45:14And our tires or or getting ourselves dangerously yeah, getting out of our culture. That's But I did mention all that and I don't know what did we do wrong. In asking? Or what did we do wrong by you guys ignoring us? And it showed up somebody showed up afterward and email showed that we did request For many years, repeatedly.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:45:46All right, thank you very much. And someone else wants to speak?

   1:45:53Okay. Um Ainsley, um is the I'm sorry I was a little distracted here. This is one of the roads that we fix with public money. Yes, um,

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:46:03yes, Commissioner Yeah.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:46:04So um so you did a chip seal which is a temporary road treatment.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:46:11The most recent is just spotled patch.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:46:15Yeah. So um I mean basically there's no road left.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:46:20There's some road left, but um it's not totally um

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:46:27So

   Mike Moore

   1:46:28yeah.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:46:29Come did you Yeah, I just

   Mike Moore

   1:46:30do you mind? Yeah,

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:46:31I'm sure

   Mike Moore

   1:46:31things so the vote was one what was it again? One one? Yes sir.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:46:36And we consider that.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:46:37I will support an ordinance I have to bring it to the board for the Ron Oakley.

   Mike Moore

   1:46:41Again, how many people were there were sent letters to vote?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:46:44Four. There are to four properties on the CODISAC.

   Mike Moore

   1:46:50What I've said forever. I mean, i if people don't want it, th they don't want it. But beware I mean look I mean beware. I mean you you can't fill these these aren't potholes. This is the road's gone.

   1:47:04Listen, we know if if if people are outnumbered, this is fifty-fifty, so I'm kind of on the fence on this one. But if people are if it's uh 51-49 against I owe typically I say no, don't do it. Um because the majority spoke. Now you have an even situation. I know you brought it up. um a letter that's stating the only person voted the other way. So okay, four. Okay. So I'm I'll kinda take that in consideration. I I'll say no, but just beware. These you can't fix this unless you do a PVASP because you can't these aren't potholes anymore. Pottles

   1:47:35are gone. So, you know.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:47:39I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen in a big rainstorm. is 'cause we saw it on the roads in this area, which is why we took one time money from the oil spill, I think. And did a temporary fix on these roads so that you could drive there. And I don't know how long you've lived there. But these roads were undrivable. Um and we have pictures somewhere to show you what's gonna happen here in a when there's a lot of water, you will have no garbage, pick up I mean it's it's like oatmeal.

   1:48:09Um the road base just explodes. So Um I I I get real conflicted on these because it's taxpayer money that's coming in and fixing these and I don't want to keep temporarily fixing these. That's m that's throwing money out the window and a very poor use of the public money.

   1:48:29You can't fix this.

   1:48:36So so there's two ways that we can fix Roads, the funding way, it's the PVAS way, which I absolutely hate. or the way that's coming to us where everybody's gonna pay something to fix all the roads in the county, but that we have to have a a funding source to fix these roads. And we do not collect any money from your taxes right now to fix the roads, except for the second five cent uh gas tax does potholes, but these aren't

   1:49:07potholes. So I don't know where the money comes to even fix this. Um it's frustrating to me. I I just um

   1:49:17So if if we vote to get this road fixed, you at least get in line to have it fixed. But but when we change the system, which I hope when when is that coming to us?

   Mike Carballa

   1:49:36Why would it

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:49:36be next year if you're ready to

   Mike Carballa

   1:49:38to implement the we're working on a we're working on a time?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:49:41So then you could be way at the end of the line. Um to get that fixed and you might have a travel issue getting to your home. Did you wanna say something?

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:49:51I was gonna say this this definitely highlights the need to get off this PVAS system that we've got. Um It's gonna be a little bit of a while. I mean maybe we should continue this for about three months until the other thing comes back to make a decision.

   1:50:12This can be one of the roads that obviously should get done.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:50:15So Ainsley, m uh my road, one of the road you know, I have two houses in the county. One of 'em is kinda near this one. Um we we petitioned to get our road into the P Vestis and the last time it failed and I'm talking about Neristida. Our road's falling apart. Um we failed on the first one because people thought they could come in and do this temporary chip seal on the top and look great. But we figured out that we'd still be paying off the temporary fix when the road failed and we'd have the other assessment on top of the temporary

   1:50:45assessment. That didn't make any sense. So Um I didn't realize it, but someone has c uh

   1:50:54ask for a PVAS in January. And then we had an Commissioner Cox came in and put one in in March. But I'm I'm I'm speaking. Um we we're interested in getting our road fixed. And there's a hundred and twenty six projects up front of me. That's what they told me in your office.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:51:16I'll check on that and get back to you.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:51:19I was blown away that about Um

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:51:24Okay. Okay, thank you. Um so when it got Aresita was brought to the board, they originally wanted to have the chip seal and then Michael Hawks. Because you were just addressing it. So I'm letting you know what had happened is I withdrew my motion because they wanted to update and make a new motion and I had made a motion to do a full depth reclamation in Aresida.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:51:49Okay, so I'm not telling you that if you if we don't go with this today

   1:51:55It's it may not be in your best interest. Right. Commissioner Oakley, did you want to say something?

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:52:01Uh nothing more. Okay. Yeah,

   Mike Moore

   1:52:02Madam Chairman M I wanna know, there's I got three three letters. There's we said there's four people?

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:52:09Yeah, yeah.

   Mike Moore

   1:52:12All right. So I got everybody except for one that says they don't want it. So I mean you can continue it but or something. But here's what I

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:52:19I know this sounds kinda crazy, but here's what I'm wondering. If people don't want the road fixed, maybe we just don't go in there and fix it anymore. I mean I just don't like throwing money out all the time. And if you fail a P VAS and you like the road the way it is

   1:52:32That's your

   1:52:33road.

   Mike Moore

   1:52:33Yeah well Madam Cherry, again like was you you saw you can't pop. You can't you're not gonna be able to do that.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:52:37They don't want it fixed. That's

   Mike Moore

   1:52:38what I

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:52:39mean. They don't want to live with it like this.

   Mike Moore

   1:52:41Well you c Yeah, well you can't have and that's you're in a tough situation.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:52:44That's what I'm hearing. They don't want to have their road fixed. This is not a pothole situation.

   1:52:55No.

   Mike Moore

   1:52:55cool. So

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:52:58I would it it's one to one, so

   Mike Moore

   1:53:01Well yeah. I'm gonna wanna the vote but you got the people here said I'd I'll make a motion to deny it.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:53:07Or I would make a motion to continue for three months and let them decide what they would like to do.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:53:13Well if it if it if we don't get a second, then we'll see where we go.

   1:53:18Okay.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:53:21I'll move to continue it for I'll say four months to give you time. And then we can at least take a look at it. And if we if we've gone to second. And then we'll pass

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:53:29a fee. So no action today. Okay. And that gets you through the rainy season. All in favor? Aye? Aye. Opposed? All right, well good luck. I hope you have no issues on your road. Okay, um where are we? And you say you have another P Bass?

2. 2Sep 20, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP116Public hearingApproved

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   Approved Staff’s recommendation, with Commissioner Moore absent from the vote.

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