An Ordinance By The Pasco County Board Of County Commissioners Amending The Pasco County Land Development Code: Chapter 600 Overlay And Special District Areas; Section 602.8.T: VOPH Development And Administrative Review Fees; And Map Change To Exhibit 602-E VOPH Master Roadway Plan Exhibit A Tyndall Road / East West Street A Right Of Way Alignment; And Other Amendments As Necessary For Internal Consistency; Providing For Applicability; Repealer; Severability; Inclusion Into The Land Development Code; And An Effective Date.

31:44Good afternoon, Planning Commission members. It's been a long time since I've been here. It's just great to see your faces again. For those of you that are new and don't know me, my name is Ernie Monaco. I'm the manager of special districts. There are two dependent special districts in Pasco County, V OPH, village of Pasadena Hills, and Connected City. And today I'm coming before you're a county-initiated map and text amendment to the Land Development Code. And in the the map amendment. And it is actually gonna be the master roadway plan, which is an exhibit within the land development code. So I just wanted to show you that this is within this,

32:14even though they're two separate items. Let me uh it's PD D twenty one. Yeah. And let me read the actual ordinance. Proposed ordinance. An ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development Code, Chapter six hundred, Overlay and Special District Areas, Section six O two Point eight point T VOPH development and administration review fees and map change to exhibit six oh two-e, VOPH master roadway plan, exhibit A, Tyndall

32:44Road, East West Street, a right-of-way realignment, and other amendments as necessary for internal consistency, providing for applicability, repealers, severability, inclusion into the land development code, and an effective date. We come before you. With the recommended committee action, we recommend approval to the Board of County Commissioners of the MAP amendment for the realignment of Tyndall Road right of way in the VOPH master roadway plan. and also the text amendment in the Land Development Code, V OPH Stewardship Ordinance, Section six oh two, eight point T, for the distribution of

33:15funds received from the Development Review and Administration fee. I want to just make a side note, it's important and I will get into the more details of this later, that the Planning and Development Department does not recommend uh the additional condition that's was a requested on May nineteenth from the VOPH Planning and Policy Committee for that for a specific dedicated VOPH review reviewer. And we'll get into the reasons for that, but this but we've we've tailored this to the way what the Planning Department and the County would like you to do. Next. So we'll talk about first is the right-of-way alignment,

33:45realignment actually. Uh I don't have the clicker on me, but anyway. We can go to we can go you can see in the f the f southern border there's a blue line. Now we're gonna blow it up to the next one. You can see the next one. It's more more more easier to read. The original right of way is located on the southern part. The proposed right-of-way is more straightening. You can see it straightens up a bit. And the original right-of-way actually bisected the p the public utilities water treatments facilities. Uh this was on the Highway Vision Plan Map 7, I think 36 a while back. Uh

34:15when we did the V O P H master roadway plan it just got carried into it. Well recently, a few months ago the plan the public utilities department basically notified us and said, Oh thanks. Notified and said to said to us, We can't do that. You can't bisect this because it's security issues, and we have to also expand the water treatment facilities. You need to please move the right-of-way. We it can still be on our property but it cannot go bisecting b for we don't want public there basically. So we looked at the the map again and we basically said, Well that makes a lot of sense. Um if you see it starts let

34:45me see if I can get the light on here.

34:50Okay. If you start from actually if you start from the left, you can see the road goes straight and there's various properties that it impacts. We've sent out public notices, we put ads ads out in the in the paper. Uh um we actually um put a signs up as well so people are aware of it, and we've not received any comments or feedback related to that, and I think partly because this actually in the long run benefits the actual landowners as well as the county. And I on that exhibit here it just explains what the impacts are going to be

35:20Whoops, hold on. Nope, it was back. Hold on a second.

35:26N um no, not working. No. Okay, well anyway. Maybe it's something. Um let me go back to the next one. Hold on. Next.

35:36I'm sorry, I have to go back again. This is it where I wanna be. Okay. So what's happening is we're shifting the future seventy foot right-of-way on Tyndale Road, about eight hundred and seventy-two feet. I just lost me. north of where it originally was. So the original alignment was basically on the southern part of this exhibit. We're now shifting it north, okay, to prevent the future public road from bisecting the PCU water treatment plant expansion that's going to serve the V OPH. For security purposes, water treatment facilities must

36:06prohibit public access to and from the site. The future right of way will be relocated to the northern boundary edge of the PCU parcel, a hundred percent within the PCU parcel. Some property owners have actually shorter right-of-way that they have to dedicate now. I think the first one because it's straightening it out. Other property owners um actually have more marketable lots as a result of it. And generally it's a positive thing. And it ends basically at the entrance of the super uh the VOPH superpark. So we still have access to the superpark. Anyway, that's the that's the actual map amendment

36:37which we would like you to consider and recommend to the BCC for approval.

36:40Ernie, just real quick question. That on where you on the east end there of the of the new alignment, is that a wetland there to the north?

36:48I think there is some slight uh I know there's a drainage ditch in the PCU property as well, but um like I said that we will work on that when we when we do the actual details and the that needs to be done. So

37:02Anything else? I can move on to the uh actual text amendment.

37:05So you are you're getting you're getting rid of this the southerly road.

37:09Yes, the one that curves south. Yeah. Right. We're getting rid of that and we're gonna use the northern re the northern road. Now this is just a con concept. We don't have the actual right you know the the but just generally gonna follow this.

37:20Okay.

37:20So and all these property owners have been notified. Yes. Mm-hmm. I actually wrote them letters, individual letters. Please please I I explained it to them. I explained the impact of them. I gave them the maps. I gave them a full package and uh I had received nothing in response to says a yes, no, whatever. And invited them to the meeting as well. Okay. Uh let me go to the next one then. Item two. Oh man, it jumps around a lot. Oh, thank you.

37:50I'm starting to like that one. Yeah, yeah.

37:54You said they said you were

37:56gonna put on a show.

37:57Yeah, it's up here. Item two is actually uh about uh the development review and administration fee that was approved by the BCC back in January t twenty twenty one tw January. And um We actually allocated $400 per residential unit. If you're familiar with this, everyone who comes to develop in villages of Pasadena Hills has a special fee now that they're paying for the development review and administration fee for the special district. What I we unfortunately did not do was that was explain how it was going to be distributed to where it was going to go. And so

38:27we had to take a look at this again and they were coming before you to show you where that money is going and how what we think is the best way to get it get it done because there are some requirements that we do have to implement. So what we're saying is breaking it down to $400, $200 a unit is gonna pay back the property owners group. For those people that may not be familiar with this, it is a group of landowners that got together way back in 2008 and they basically created these plans. Enabling documents is an area plan, which is a good plan. And then they were updated a year ago. I think it may have come before you back then, okay? And

38:58but they've invested a lot of money basically for the long-term planning. Now typically the county doesn't pay for those things. We instead we offer them planning fee credits. We did this in Connected City and we would like to do this again. We're gonna do this again in the villages of Pasina Hills. And they need to get paid back for their investment, and we do it by deducting the fees that come from when they go to get the horizontal development reviews. And so we're gonna take half of that four hundred bucks immediately off the top and pay off all the credits over the period of fifty years. But but the way we're gonna do it is be a lot shorter because it makes more sense to get it as much as possible, get them paid up

39:28paid back. So $200 of that goes to that. $125 is going to fund the operations and the management of the fee credit registry. Just as a in a nutshell, is that the fee credit registry is a new a new instrument, basically, that um you put your credits, you register your credits. And anyone that comes later that wants to develop you has the has to really buy the credits at par. So when you're paying development review fees, like whether it's mobility fees or whether it's planning fee credits. you have to actually go to the registry, see who has those credits, whatever they

39:58cost, whatever they whatever that person needs goes and pays those credits, then comes in and and basically wipes out that credit and everyone pretty much ul ultimately g gets that credit paid off. Which is a really it's it's a very innovative plan, I I really believe it's gonna work. And it actually helps as an incentive for developers to come and say, you know what, I can actually get paid earlier now. I'm gonna get the credits that I that and sell them at par rather than get fifty cents on the dollar. And so the development community really loves the idea of actually trying to implement this. And we're we're we're serious

40:28about doing this.

40:30So

40:31Um I actually went out and got a got a pretty much of a bid about who's gonna do this. I haven't finalized anything yet because I want to make sure all the approvals are in before we do this. And it was about $125 a unit is what it's gonna cost to basically run and operate this fee credit registry. If you look at the website, there's actually two uh POG members that have already registered on the website. It's before this we've actually officially begun, but we wanted to make sure that we didn't install. We wanted to make sure it's moving ahead. Um and then finally the set the the $75 a unit, the remainder of the $200 plus the $125

41:01is $75, initially goes to cover the cost of the preliminary development plan, development review, and district administration support staff. Now there's absolutely no controversy with the way this is distributed.

41:13Of the timing of the seventy five hurts the planning department because basically Uh th this there's a lot of activity uh we know uh the fees are larger, but again the uh uh ultimately in the end the four hundred dollars covers all these things. They will cover everything over the fifty year plan. Now, the fifty dollars for one thousand square feet of non residential, that that is not a significant number, it's about a hundred and something thousand dollars over fifty years. That goes straight to the Planning Development Department for staff time review. The controversy,

41:42how much did you say was going to go back?

41:45Well the planning department the initial years in the initial years gets out of that four hundred dollars, the initial years is seventy-five dollars. Once the POG is paid back, they get the two hundred plus the seventy-five dollars. So what what's actually happening is there's a delay that the planning department gets, but ultimately everybody does get paid back.

42:02But who has to pay the

42:03Who pays it? Everybody who wants to develop in VOPH contributes $400 per unit, everyone, every landowner that wants to get entitlements. And this financial plan works on about 80% of the entitlements get built. So if 100% get built, you're actually ahead. But at least at 80% only get built, everybody's paid off.

42:24Reimbursed. I should say paid off sounds a terrible reimburse for what they put in.

42:27Planning Planning and development department gets this funds, right?

42:30They get the seventy five dollars initially for the first few years until the POG's paid off, and then two hundred and seventy five dollars per residential unit for the remainder.

42:37But that's twenty dollars a square foot.

42:39No, we're not talking about square feet. Square feet is the fifty dollar one. The

42:43planning department automatically

42:44gets

42:44it's fifty dollars per one thousand square feet. When you divide that, it comes out to twenty dollars a square foot. I I'm just asking that is that a reasonable price? I mean if I had to pay it I'd consider some concerns about that. That's all.

42:59I I can't really answer that because that was what w the the the team worked together and gave that fee and the uh BCC approved that. So that is a fee that's already been officially approved.

43:08Okay, thank you.

43:09Yeah.

43:10Ernie are these fees that are these are development review fees, so that four hundred dollars a unit's paid when they submit for their site permit?

43:16No, yeah, yeah. When they sit my uh preliminary development plan approval stage, site plans come in. They've already got their entitlements. Now they want to develop. Okay. And that's when they pay those fees. It's horizontal for hor and they get the credits for the horizontal. These are we're talking about right now is planning Planning long-term planning development fees. I don't want to confuse this with anything other things like mobility fees and things like that. Okay. This is just horizontal development fees to pay POG investment for creating All the work related to the area planets in these enabling documents.

43:44And to be clear, the fees that Ernie's talking about were already imposed and approved by the board. What's changing is the allocation of those fees and what's creditable against those fees. But the total fee you pay is is not changing.

43:59So the property owners group but the they're you said they're gonna be paid back. How much are they gonna be paid back?

44:05The full amount basis exhibits. Uh if you look under the stewardship ordinance exhibits Hang on. I think it's 602E. Let me look and see where it is. You're right, Exhibit D, I'm sorry. There's a schedule. Right here, a V OPH property owner group's credits against future admin fees. Okay. Everything they put in on this list is what's gonna get paid back ultimately. Okay. Okay. And because because the fee credit registry requir and the t and the land development code now says uh you are going to buy

44:35those at par when you need credits to pay your development re fees. So that's cool.

44:40And just so I understood you correctly, we'll pay them back and then whatever's left. We get the full amount of that or whatever. Okay. Thank you.

44:52How was it?

44:54I'm not that good.

44:57Okay, so uh Terry Pito's planning development. I'm not that good at math. I think we've seen that in other public hearing. But um at fifty th at fifty dollars per thousand square feet that amounts to about five cents per square foot. So a nickel per square foot would go to the planning department for the non-residential aspect of this.

45:22I knew in the end it wasn't that like significant. It's about a hundred thousand over fifty years. It's not a lot of money, honestly, when you think about it. You know. So thank you, Terry, for being the math whiz today. Okay. Let me keep going here.

45:36Okay, so what's the purpose? Again, I want to just remind us the annual operating funds are needed for the fee credit registry to actually operate and work and ensure success. The PAOG needs to get redeemed their planning V credits that they've invested. Okay, we won they and we would like we would our goal was to basically get them full payback within ten years. I you know they've already put in a lot of money back in 2008. They added more money in the 2020 19 We just want that, you know, it's we just want them to need to be paid back. And three, the additional funds are provided to the planning department to evaluate the VOPH development applications.

46:07So what's the impact on the property owners group? Half of the residents will be paid at preliminary development plan approval pays back the credits immediately. And based upon development scenarios, and what I did is I went to um various individuals that own land and also uh the consultants and I looked at the how how many how what is the assuming there's no recession. Okay. Right and no one can do that. But but basically making a stable, looking what the next ten years would would be like. The goal was to see if we could pay them back in ten years. And that's where that two hundred dollars came in. We

46:37looked at the numbers that would come in, multiplied it, and said here, this we can we think we we think we can get it paid you guys paid back in ten years. So that's why they they really they didn't have any problem with this at all. Well now I'm gonna talk a little bit about something else that that happened though. So the V O P H Planning and Policy Committee back in May nineteenth they recommended approval of the proposed Map amendment, because that's not controversial and everybody put it. It's a win-win for everybody. This but the second thing is the approval of the text amendment to distribute the development review fee as proposed. They added

47:07a condition in red here with the condition that a VOPH review planner be designated. Okay. We have no problem with the actual distribution, but we want to have a dedicated person that only handles the V O P H This is really, really difficult. for the county to accept and the planning department to actually implement because how difficult it is. Why? And I have Terry here who's the Planning Board of Director to back up and say exactly because we went through this in for weeks, go back and forth. Can we do this? Can we

47:37not? Can we not? So the PDD does not recommend a dedicated VO page reviewer. Why? The unpredict the unpredictability of the preliminary development plan submissions make this too difficult to implement. Government agencies cannot hire and lay off staff depending upon immediate and the easement. Unpredictable workloads. What that means is some seasons you've got a lot of VOPH development, other seasons you don't. What do you do with the person? You hire them, you fire them. It's not appropriate for government agencies to do that. You cannot just have one person only be the only VOPH person. We

48:07actually have a few people that do this. And also you have to remember, and when reviews come in, they don't just go to the planning department. They get farmed out to whatever the situation is and everybody, everybody, it's like a team of people comment on it. This condition would designate one person to handle all VOP projects and honestly the first few years the seventy-five dollars for residential unit barely covers one planner reviewer. This would likely result in a bottleneck as a dedicated person would receive every project.

48:34depending upon particular applications, many specialized experts are involved. I spoke a little bit about that. Land planners, transportation planners, review technicians. Again, they're in different departments. Sometimes you get the parks and natural resources coming in. It's just making this too difficult to track and document, et cetera. the intent of receiving the review fee was to compensate for the extra work needed to operate a VO page review, not necessarily to fund a specific position. The review feed would also be used for technology and equipment needs to facilitate any technic technicalities

49:04for these reviews. It isn't just about hiring a dedicated person. the the f a lot of the fees come for other things and the existing PDD revenues must be used to meet service delivery needs. So it's very hard, really honestly it's very difficult to implement. Terry, did you want to go and make a little make a comment on this? Because it is really important for them to understand the impacts.

49:22I I would reserve comment if there were any particular questions. I but I think Ernie's done a good

49:28explanation.

49:31Are they asking for a dedicated

49:34Uh reviewer. I've had conversations with that. I think because currently there's a backlog and they're afraid that that backlog is not going to get solved. But but right now, uh Terry, do you wanna talk a little bit about the how you solve the back part temporarily?

49:48So right now the county is experiencing a great deal of volume in terms of project work that's being submitted to the Planning and Development Department and and also to other departments. in their business lines as well. Um And so I think the idea is that if there is someone dedicated to V OPH, that the response time would be um much lower than the rest of the than the response time that it the the rest of the county is currently

50:18experiencing. That's the idea. But the reality is that it would not work out like that. It's far more complicated as noted by Ernie. Yeah. um to dedicate one particular individual Um it would be uh there there would be a lot of downtime in between. And then when the projects do pick up for VO page specifically. um nobody else would be allowed to work on them theoretically because there's a dedicated individual specifically paid to do that work. These

50:48other individuals are not, they're dealing with whatever other volume is taking place.

50:53I think if I could since I was at the meeting I I think their general thought was that since they're paying an extra fee that Is not paid throughout the rest of the county that that entitles them to Okay. That was that was my question. That's basically their their thought process. Okay. All

51:11right.

51:14So the therefore The recommended committee action is to recommend approval to the Board of County Commissioners that the map amendment of the realignment of Tyndall Road right away in the V OPH master roadway plan and then it's basically you you have to determine it's also consistent with the Capasco County Comprehensive Plan. So we can we can recommend approval for the actual right-of-way realignment. And the second thing is the text amendment in the Land Development Code V OPH stewardship ordinance. for the way that the for the distribution of the funds received from the development review fee. And again, it's also cons consistent with the comprehensive plan. And

51:44the it's in the agenda memo as well. But I'm just sort of s making it easier here. With but but make that recommendation without the condition for a dedicated VOPH reviewer. In the planning department. That's what we're asking you to do. Approved the the the the map amendment in the right of in the m in the Massarobay plan? And Uh uh Rem make a recommendation that we distribute the funds as we s have said, the four hundred dollars gets distributed without having the planning department have to hire a designated person.

52:15That's what you need to discuss and that's what you need to vote on and that's what you need to make a recommendation on.

52:20Ernie, just for clarity, so the seventy five dollars still goes to the Planning Development Department, it just doesn't go for allocation of a specific employee.

52:27Right. They distribute as needed. as the as you see fit. Some like even my own work schedule. I I do a lot between Connected City and V O P H. You know, I and it just depends upon the need. You get a developer call from from V O P H um by putting my V O P H ad. You know, when Connected City's on, you put on my C C ad. So it depends what what what happens, you know.

52:48I know it's unprecedented times for the county and this this isn't obviously the forum for the discussion, but I I know there's a lot of developers out there that are getting extremely concerned with lengths of review time, lengths of pre application meeting times, 'cause they see the fees that they're paying And I know those fees are getting collected. yet there's not allocation to hire additional staff to support the workload. So understand we're we're all I mean everybody here understands the problem and it it's a great problem to have but it's a problem that's out there and I just wanted to make sure that it's getting taken care of and I think this will even help further. So

53:18Yeah, I think I can speak to that just a little bit. When and you're right, um fees are being paid Um but there is a bit of a lag time with government uh hiring and whatnot, with budgets rather I should say. um is we have to get our budget approved. It'll get approved in September. Um and there are some tentative uh business um What's the word I'm looking for? All of this BPI. Business plan initiatives, thank you. There there are some business plan initiatives that are included

53:48in the in the uh twenty two budget. That will help P D. uh advance um in in obtaining uh more resources and more people.

53:59Yeah, so I I mean again, you mean you have great staff here, but I I feel that they're probably getting they're under more and more stress every single day from everybody and I I I worry for the people that are here as much as anything. I mean uh I I hear the frustration every time I call to bug 'em personally. So

54:14I just think make a comment too that's important to understand is that you know, when new when new staff comes in I usually meet with them and I usually I'll give like a few weeks of talking about what connected the city is and what V OPH is. The problem is that you get a few people then the problem is if you just get one person People leave. And that's the reality of this. You have to distribute the knowledge base uh for a team to make this really function. Honestly if it w I just think there'd be worse bottlenecks. Sure but anyway. Anyway. It's up to you guys what recommendation you would like to give.

54:44So Ernie, in our in our memo that's provided to us as a under the total estimated disbursements by twenty six twenty uh sixty-five there's a long term planning credit for POG. Of one point six million and change. So that is what the two hundred dollar fee.

55:01Yeah, um okay,

55:02the way this is

55:03distributed, we could have taken that one point six million, that's what the POG invested, right, divided by fifty years, and it'd be a very easy thing for us to t to do. Right. But that's not how development occurs. You get it in big clumps or you get or you get a recession. And w we felt that, you know, w let's try and get our this that like in Connecticut City was the same idea. We just said, look, we know that A particular developer did a lot of the planning, long term planning work, and we wanted to make sure that he got credits for that because we didn't want to be out of pocket and give them money to do the long term planning study. So it's easier for us to give them credits. When

55:33development is strong, development entitlement is go or or the site plans go up, you get more money in the pot, you can distribute it. So that's why it's broken down by a per unit. Play and and then the two hundred dollars was actually worked out to get it over a ten year period. That's how we came up with that number.

55:48Okay.

55:55Okay,

55:55any other questions from anybody on the day it's I'm just curious what uh what's the percentage at this point? That's been uh

56:03connected city.

56:04Well

56:04you're talking

56:05about the eighty um

56:06eighty percent. Oh how many gentitals have come in? Oh gosh, I haven't I don't have that number off the top of my head. Curious. Um but I th well let's I know we need thirty three thousand units and how many are I have to look I wa I have a V O pH tracker, I just don't have those numbers. You know.

56:22Well we'll wait for you to get it, Ernie.

56:23Well, next time I'm here I'll tell you what they are.

56:30Okay. Uh anything else? No. No sir. Yeah. Anybody? Pete?

56:37But

56:40You comment about your workload.

56:44Is there a possibility that you could contract with a vendor out there that could could do some of the same work and then therefore kind of catch you up? I mean there there's gotta be a corporation or a business or a private entity that could breed in some people, can do the work, you contract that work out for a short period of time. And you only need that manpower for that short period of time anyway. You don't need it for I don't know for how For whatever period of time. That that that's

57:15Sure.

57:24dealing with an aspect of what you're talking about. Those are overall operational uh questions for the Planning and Development Department that we wouldn't necessarily discuss at a public hearing though.

57:37Beyond what we've already explained, I should say.

57:40Yeah, well

57:42so the fee there's this if you go back on the slideshow.

57:44Here's what I heard is that you have a workload. that your current staff can't maintain, you charge fees And yet you you'd you'd ha are reluctant to maybe c contract it out? I I don't know. It's is that the reluctant to contract the work out to a vendor or

58:02We are we we're contracting out one twenty five already to a fee credit registers consultant. So we ha we can do that. I mean we we're looking at it. We just knew we couldn't handle everything at once.

58:11Right.

58:11And so that's why it says one twenty five to fund the operations management fee credit registry. That's not an we can do it internally, we're allowed to do it, and maybe we will, but right now at this moment in time, it's it makes more sense to hire a consultant to do that portion of it.

58:26We we certainly have consultants that are able to facilitate and help us with that. But those again, those are operational questions beyond the scope of this V OPH item.

58:39Okay. Pete the that

58:41satisfactory answer. Kind of like uh Mixing water with dirt and making mud.

58:50Thank you.

58:52Yeah. Well I think what they recognize is that it's a good suggestion. It's something probably they're gonna look into and And they're they're doing some of that now. And um Yeah, something that they might want to internally do now, more and more after this, but I guess what we what they were asking us to do now is just they've gone this far. They'd like us to approve this. And then Potentially they could may e may you even consider your suggestion, Pete. Which I think is a good one.

59:20Yeah, I would just add to that. In my experience, consultants are best utilized for specific tasks or special projects 'cause they take away from staff's time. So Like I know b staff use outside consultant for the design manual changes that are being processed. Um Or something like airport zoning or something I mean some discrete discrete task that would take away from staff's time because But I would say normal standard

59:51review of zonings and MPDs is probably still best handled by internal staff. I mean 'cause it's it's difficult to to call in that

1:00:00too because the review is more than just a planner. You distribute the review to dip various entities within different departments. There's a lot of coordination. There's there's just it's just bigger than just a particular division within the planning department.

1:00:15Mr. Chairman Mari just to add a little bit to that. It's it it could I'm part of that review process when it goes right. It's a huge undertaking and

1:00:24Part of the problem. One fifth of the problem. But there's a lot of coordination and there's you know, people have to know the county. They have to know the land use, the land development code. There's a lot to learn. You just can't Farm that out. It's very difficult.

1:00:40Okay.

1:00:43Well, I think this I think it's important, Jamie, that you brought t that to everyone's attention. I think we all know it. I just think it's like sometimes a good idea to Could just vocalize it and uh

1:00:58we as members of the community Yeah. as planning and zoning Uh board members. hear this all the time, you know, that people are complaining all the time about the

1:01:10realize how much work goes on uh goes into it and I and I think uh Yeah, David's comment uh is that You know, you can't you can't just necessarily hire somebody off the street to do certain functions of the of the review process because it takes a It takes a lot of

1:01:30expertise, a lot of background information. And uh but also then staff has to manage that outside consultant, which also takes time. So sometimes it takes more time to manage the outside consultant than just

1:01:42to do the

1:01:42work yourself.

1:01:43Yeah. But it's i it's gonna be important to find a way to speed up the process. That's there's no doubt about that.

1:01:49It Mr. Chairman Mariano.

1:01:52No, I

1:01:52know that. All all the surrounding counties are are experiencing the same thing. Some are some are Right, absolutely.

1:02:04So um

1:02:07With that, uh, do I hear a motion to um approve of the staff's recommendation on PC four.

1:02:16I'll make a motion, Don Anderson, to uh Approve. Uh as presented by the staff.

1:02:23Chris Poole.

1:02:25Okay, and that's with the condition that the uh planner not be designated, correct? Correct.

1:02:30It's also with the the right-of-way alignment.

1:02:33Okay.

1:02:34Yeah.

1:02:35Understood. Well you want both things?

1:02:39We shouldn't cover your data.

1:02:43Okay. So any any other questions? If not, uh can I we have a motion and we have a second.

1:02:51I do have one question. Um with Roberto Saez online, do you still want me to call the roll for the motions for all of them? We didn't do any for the minutes, the continued item, the consent, or this one.

1:03:05Um Well I this is the m this is the major substantive item, so do it on this one.

1:03:11Okay.

1:03:12It's sort of irrelevant because if there was all unanimous votes.

1:03:15Okay.

1:03:16I'm not too worried about it. But go ahead and do it on this one.

1:03:18Okay. All right. So Jamie Girardi. Hi. Don Anderson. Peter Hansel. Roberto size.

1:03:30Christopher Poole. Richard Tonello? Aye. Chairman Charles Gray.

1:03:35Aye.

1:03:36Thank you.

1:03:37Do we have a vote from M from Roberto? Ernie. I didn't

1:03:41hear Roberto. He is online. He's online.

1:03:45Can I get a electronic or hard copy of one of those POP? Yeah. It'd be fascinating.

1:03:53I'll get your email after this. Actually, can you see it?

1:04:00A lot of numbers.

1:04:05All right, Arnie, are you?

1:04:07I'm done. Thank you.

1:04:08You're all done. That was a beautiful job.

1:04:13Yeah, I know. I'm waiting for it. I'm waiting for it. That's right. We

1:04:17don't warn the camera.