An Ordinance Amending The Pasco County Comprehensive Plan; Providing For A Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment To The Future Land Use Maps (Map 2-15 And Sheet 10) Changing From RES-1 (Residential-1 Du/Ga) To PD (Planned Development) On Approximately 20.35 Acres Of Real Property Located At The Intersection of Ridge Road And Tanglewood Drive
What the county recorded
Staff recommendation
Approve
DispositionAdopted
Approved to adopt by roll call vote with Commissioner Moore and Commissioner Mariano voting nay.
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The county’s agenda for Board of County Commissioners, Dec 7, 2021
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The county’s minutes for Board of County Commissioners, Dec 7, 2021
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- Dec 7, 2021BoardP112▶Adoptedthis item
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Opposed? P twelve, P uh one twelve. Item P 112 was published in the Tampa Times on November 21, 2021.
P112, this is also we're asking for you to adopt by roll call vote. There was a full presentation done on June 22nd, 2021, at time of transmittal. We have not received any comments or concern from FDEO. We did receive a letter from FDEO stating they had no comments or concerns. PDD 22-0026, an ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan, providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps. Maps two-fifteen and sheet ten, changing from res one residential one-dwelling unit per gross acre to PD plan development
on approximately twenty point thirty-five acres of real property located at the intersection of Ridge Road and Tanglewood Drive. Again, we're asking that you adopt this by roll call vote.
Uh board members, um any questions on this one? We do have people who have signed up.
Yeah, Madam
Chairman Mariano.
This is an applicant-driven
driven amendment. Yes, yes. Here comes the applicant.
Yeah I can't pull them together. You cannot pull them together. Yeah
I was gonna say why aren't we putting these together?
I I tried that. You really need to hear them as separate matters.
Well that's the applicant's request would be to h hold the peer uh public hearing together. If not, we're gonna repeat everything twice, or I guess we can just do the comp plan and then do the M PD. Barbara Willheight, [address removed].
You can move the zoning up after this, that's fine. But they need to be two separate motions, two separate public hearing.
That's fine. Um do you want to move this before other pet folks are on consent or do you want to move this back to I say move
it
back to so we can let the other folks that are doing consent go by? We'll finish the consent.
That's up to the board.
The other items
P 126.
Okay.
Okay, we'll be back for
to
hear that with P2
2/2Taken up again at Afternoon session, 4:03:46
One twelve.
Oh one twelve well okay. We have one twelve and one twenty-six. Right. So we'll take
one twelve first, right? You gotta change the comprehensive plan before you can take up the zone.
We have 112. They're both the same project. Comp plan
rezoning. Madam Chairman Mariano just so it's easy for the record. Uh the publication for item P one twelve is in the Tampa Bay Times on November twenty-first, twenty twenty one. And the publication when do you mean do we mean do that later? When we bring up one twenty six?
Yeah.
Okay, we'll do it there. Thank you.
Commissioner's Denise Hernandez Planning and Development. As I was reading one twelve, I explained to you that there was a full presentation on this item at the time of transmittal. Do you want a full presentation again for this hearing? You will have a full presentation uh for the rezoning, which is item P one twenty six.
Yes, that's right.
Yeah, I say let's uh have the abbreviated and then we'll get into it in the one twenty six. Mr. Zodion will do that. Thank you. Uh but are we going to vote on Um dan um Uh excuse me, I need to ask him a procedural question. We're gonna vote on one twelve and and then go into one twenty six or are we gonna take both presentations? What's the procedure?
You need to take you need to take each public hearing item i on its own. Okay. So you finish the comprehensive plan, you take public comment on do your presentations, take public comment on 112. Make a motion. Okay. On one twelve and then move on to into the zoning.
So are you doing the presentation on one twelve? Okay, thank you. That was it.
And this
is the
abbreviated version.
Madam Madam Chairman, Commissioners, my name is Ed Zodin. I'm a planner with long-range planning. The matter before you is the PDD twenty-two-026. It's a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment. Can you
hear in the back? Can you um sir can uh can you just move your mic up and see if that helps?
I'm sorry, is that better?
Is that better?
Okay. Uh I'm sorry, I'll test. Is that better?
Yeah. Okay.
This is Ridge Road. As you've heard, this is the proposal is to amend the future land use from Res One, that's residential one dwelling unit per gross acre, to PD planned development for 10,000 square feet of office and commercial and 230 multifamily units. It's located at the intersection of Ridge Road and Tanglewood Drive. There'll also be a text amendment creating a sub area policy and a map amendment creating a uh sub area map. And
as you know, as you're aware, there is a companion rezoning to N M P U D.
As you can see the From the location map. The primary furniture and the functional access will be on Ridge Road. There is emergency access only on Tanglewood Drive. Uh to the east is the Pasco Hernando uh Community College and also to the east but north of Ridge Road is uh that private airport that's uh entitled Hidden Lakes.
Right. And this site is located in a
Not you, just you can't call out from the seas. It's okay.
site is also located in a uh
Excuse me, I apologize. It's okay. We
interrupted you.
Yeah, uh,
Gracious.
Go back go back to your beginning and then work backwards like that. I apologize.
It's in the urban concentration area.
The following policies are consistent with the proposed comprehensive plan amendment. Plan development which proposes to have non residential and residential development on one site. and policy flu eight point one point one, which is the West Market area, it's Shall be included in the urban service area and promote infill, redevelopment, compact, and mixed use.
First.
As you can see from the adjacent zonings in the future land use, the primary future land use is Res1. Everybody should be aware that this is the original future land use from when the comprehensive plan was effective back in 1991. Uh In two thousand and eight the Urban Land Institute recommended That
divvied up into five distinct market areas. And in two thousand ten this board amended a comprehensive plan to establish those market areas. Uh and it also established the urban concentration area for the site. that changes is the proposed character of this area.
And The board also adopted the the urban concentration area and policy flu nine point one point one. Now the state adopted I believe in two thousand nine the or two thousand eight, excuse me, the definition for the urban service area. And that definition is mandated that the area inside the boundary be used for urban development. to focus its growth in that geographically defined area which is planned for urban services rather than allowing growth to happen where
there are few or no planned urban services in the near future. I ask that you take recognition for the fact that this property fronts on Ridge Road and the County had just spent approximately one hundred and forty nine million dollars extending Ridge Road to the uh Sun Coast Parkway and Ridge Road is an arterial drive.
coupled with the fact that the sue the utilities will be brought to the site by the developer at no cost. So the County or to the residents. The Harbor's West Market Area Plan encourages the mixed use and infield development which this achieves.
Oops.
As you can see from the map, the existing future land use is Res One. The proposed future land use for this is P D.
The background is we've identified the subject property has one single family residence on it. It's zoned ER, which was the original zoning from nineteen seventy-five. And the proposed use is the P D, the Multifamily and Office Commercial Development.
With the developer bringing the utilities to the site, there is adequate utility service and capacity. There have been no concerns addressed by police, fire, schools, nor from parks and recreation with respect to environmental And emergency management had no concern with the uh exclusive emergency access only on Tango Withdraw.
The proposal does adhere to the principles of P D and is located in the urban service area and meets the principles of the West Market area. Uh so this proposed amendment does meet all the criteria for consistency with the comprehensive plan. uh just from previous actions to make you aware on April twenty second, The LPA voted to deny this by three to one vote. This board on June 22nd voted 3 to 2 to transmit to DEO and other reviewing agencies, and DEO has responded that it had
no comment.
Your staff asked that you uh you please approve this amendment, find it consistent with the comprehensive plan. And approved by roll call vote. I'll be delighted to answer any questions.
Any questions?
All right, we'll um have Barbara's presentation.
Good afternoon, evening. Barbara Wellheight, sixty three twenty seven Grand Boulevard in New Port Richey Florida, three four six five two. Yeah, I do have a PowerPoint. Thank you. I have handed out and put on the dais three things. Um, one of them relates to the MPUD and some MPUD conditions. The second one is a concept site plan, which is now a binding concept site plan per the action of the Planning Commission and a PowerPoint. If you would be so kind as to receive and file that for your record.
Second. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye.
So this is the beginning of my presentation. This is my client's other project. Steve McConaughey is doing this other project already. It's going in in another part of Pasco County, and that's a picture of it. This project will look very similar. I have my team back here: Steve McConaughey, the developer, Jeremy Couch, Tampa Civil, project engineer. Steve Henry, Links and Associates, and we have Doug Saunders who was with CNS Companies, who's the airport consultant.
Since the board's last hearing, um the Florida DEO raised no uh comments or concerns on our comprehensive plan amendment after being heavily lobbied because I got a lot of calls from DEO. I've never spoken to them before. And the Planning Commission most recently made a unanimo unanimous recommendation of approval on our MPUD.
You've heard about the project location.
This project is on Ridge Road, it's not in the subdivision. I thought this was an interesting graphic to look at because we're looking at whether what's what does it look like in the area on Tanglewood? All of this property over here is PO2. It's to the same depth that our project is proposed. And I would note that while this is PO2 and allows non-residential uses, you'll see when we get to the rest of our presentation, that the uses here will all be. open space and drainage. So unlike over this side that's allowed to have non residential right up against the road, we
have set back and put open space and drainage on the road here.
And PO two is professional
office? That's correct. It's the more um intense
Mm-hmm. This is your own graphic from your presentations that you have made that uh Samick Bennick has made regarding Ridge Road extension. Um all my figures regarding Ridge Road extension are from Mr. Bennick's presentation to the PEDC, which um which I'm a board member. One third of Pasco's population lives within two miles of Ridge Road. I thought that was fascinating. goes to show what an important road it is and why you worked on it for so many years. Project location, all the jobs in this area. Um Amazing
how Pasco's changing. Hidden Lake Airport, we did pay special attention to Hidden Lake Airport. We did an airspace analysis. We're outside the brip safety zones, we're outside the runway production zone, we're outside the land use compatibility area in Florida statutes, our structures are fine. The and that's and our analysis confirmed the F of A determinations of no hazard. Our our uh consultant is here and can talk on rebuttal, but didn't wanna Go through I just want to go through it quickly with you.
Our project is here. The runway's here, the runway protection area is down here and down here.
This is the land use compatibility zone under Florida statutes. The most restrictive interpretation of land use compatibility based upon noise were outside of that.
In fact, interesting st interesting note is that the power lines on Ridge Road, existing power lines on Ridge Road in front of our project are higher than our project will be. And and the board did direct that Hidden Lake be included in the new airport protection ordinance. We did not object to that, we agree with that, and this project will be subject to that ordinance. I give you this quote. Of Mr. Laporte, because I respect him very highly. And What I did was when
he spoke before you got a transcript of what he said because I wanted to read it. It's actually very important to me. that I address concerns. Of of peop of folks regarding my applications. And so what was important to me was What he said about my proje our project. Now I've been asked, is the fact that a four story apartment going to affect us? Candidly probably not. It may change some wind patterns, but we come out of Hidden Lake. We're used to that. And I do that not as I just do it because that's that is the
statement. My airspace analysis has confirmed that. Mr. Laporte has confirmed that it doesn't impact the airport um operations and so I wanted to show that to you.
The current land use and zoning, you've heard staff already go through this. I I'm gonna speed this up a little bit because I know you've been here a long time. It's not in a rural area. Went through the different uh markets that we are in and the effort that's been taken to to plan for this area. Noteworthy, all the planning was done, but you never changed the land use. If you would have changed the land use to implement your market area strategies and your visions, I wouldn't be here. We would have already developed this property because the comp plan would have been changed.
This is the West Market Area vision. I really think there's some interesting language in here. The significant inventory of affordable housing neighborhoods shall be enhanced. enhanced through infill and redevelopment in a manner which will strengthen their vitality. And then you can look at what the mission is. And I'm going to go through a slide and I'm going to show you exactly how this implements the mission. I got pretty excited actually when I did this because it's just unique um to this project. I've never had a project that fits a
mission so well. Choice of living is one of the things that you of your mission, you want to give a choice of living in the Westmarket area. There are no class A apartment projects in this area.
These are your factors. Artero Highway extending to Sun Coast Parkway, Sun Lake, and US 41. Working. Pasco County, VA, Social Security Administration, Paul Aeropower, Moffitt, Sun Coast 54, Medical Center of Trinity, North Bay Hospital, Bayonet Point Hospital, all within this area, education, walking distance to Pasco Hernandez State College. Bus service to all of those locations in West Pasco, and I'm sure it'll extend, bus service will continue to extend on Ridge Road, Ridge Road extension to
Moffitt. Leisure time. A lot to be said here. Downtown New Port Richey, Cody River Landing, Port Ritchie, Trails, Starkey Park, Warner Boyce State Park, Sunco Sunwest Park, Hudson Beach, Green Key Park, yes I still call it Green Key, Eagle Point Park, Key Vista Nature Park, Anclote Golf Park, and Anclote River Park. You have invested in an incredible amount of infrastructure and you have an incredible amount of exciting stuff that these residents are going to get to access.
The urban concentration area, you discourage urban sprawl, you you encourage density. You've heard about that from your staff. This is in the Harbor's West Market area that you adopted the infill and redevelopment plan in twenty thirteen. It's in the central district. The vision is to provide parks and open spaces, connected street networks, and encourage mixed use infill development, exactly what we're doing.
You've heard about your infrastructure that's already in place for transportation, bridge road. Um You're extending it to a hundred million dollar investment ultimately. Incredible volume to capacity ratio. I don't see that anywhere with any of my other projects. After this project in 2045, you'll still be at 0.77. There's many places on on State Road 54 that are on the one two, one three, one four. Barbara, can you just go back one slide for a second,
please?
Uh oh now I'm doing the same thing. Yeah I'm doing the same thing that uh That my client did before. Okay. Central District, West Market.
Which slide? This is a slide.
Okay, thank you.
Uh-huh.
As you've heard, the project is on Ridge Road. We have no project access to Tanglewood. We did make that an emergency access. Our traffic engineer Steve Henry is available, but I summarized his findings. Ninety-seven percent of the traffic will use Ridge Road, three percent of the pre Track traffic um may travel on Tanglewood Drive. Utilities, we've heard that also there are projects required to connect into the county's water and wastewater system at its sole expense, and Tangle Drive will not be allowed to be used for any of those water
or wastewater extensions or connections. And I actually have a condition to add when we talk about the MPUD to make that very clear. This is the graphic that shows how the extension, the current um sewer, the water is at our and near our doorstep. This the current sewer connection is at the Cubulus and Ridge Road, and this just shows how we're gonna to bring that to the site. It's about a two-mile extension, uh million dollars. It's not inexpensive. But my client is committed to doing that.
No, do not talk from the galley. This is all the facts about the drainage, but I'll just highlight the last the last portion here. The project will provide a net improvement to the drainage within the local sub basin. And we have to follow all the requirements of both Swift MUD and your land development code. Existing infrastructure.
all the places that these residents will be able to access. We have two bus routes that are out the front door. The bus stop is at the front door. It's over on the other side of Tanglewood. But kind of unique to have that.
Parks and trails, wow, that was all I can say about that. You have an existing trail within Ridge Road, your trail's gonna be extended all the way to Sunclothes Parkway and eventually forty one. Sun Lake and then 41. We have the existing north-south trail along Suncos Parkway that you'll be able to go out the front door and enjoy all those trails from this project. And you can also travel west along the trails that go to the Warner Boyce project, which is just north of Ridge Road on US 19, and enjoy that 4,000 acres.
Infrastructure for schools. The project is 663 feet west of a state college, a hundred and thirty-two-acre state college. The property the project is zoned for Cyprus Elementary, River Ridge, Middle, and River Ridge High School, all outstanding schools. Project's estimated to generate about 27 elementary students, and we did confirm with the school board that those students we busted. To Cyprus Elementary, I would mention that this area has a lot of different opportunities for charter schools and for, for example,
where my kids went to school for some time, within three miles, seven-minute drive to Bishop Larkin Catholic School, EC3 through eighth, eighth grade. We are designing our project to accommodate a bus stop for both P PECPT and the school buses, so there'll be a nice area for that to occur where the buses can get off of of Ridge Road and it they're pro it's proximate to our mixed-use building. So that the kids will have a place. If it's raining, they have a place to congregate instead of just on the side of the road.
This is our site plan, which you have a copy of. Again, our our site plan is a binding site plan. The Planning Commission asked us to make it binding and we made that commitment. That concept plant has a lot of interesting features in it. Along the ridge road frontage, there's a pond and a 10,000 square foot mixed-use vertically integrated building. It complies with your directive from June 2020, even though it's nowhere near where that loc where you did that directive. But if it was
important to you there, we thought it would be important to you here on this arterial roadway.
Our open space area, as I mentioned, the PO2 is allows to have non-residential at the entrance to Tanglewood. We decided to put a community park and a pond at the entrance to Tanglewood. and move our buildings back to the West.
We clustered the apartments to the center of the project. We made an internal internal corridor design so there's not an open breezeways. We increased the setbacks to the apartment buildings, approximately a football field to the existing homes. You've got the all the different distances there. The current zoning zip setback is 35 feet and five feet for pools.
Enhanced buffering. We did enhanced buffering along the western boundary. There's an existing wall of Tanglewood East there. We're going to put on the inside of that fast-growing arborvite trees within a 20-foot buffer. And then to further buffer that we have our pond and a pond in that location, easter buffer. Similarly, we pulled back our project 30 feet. There's a lot of natural vegetation there. We pulled back our project 30 feet. We'll keep that natural vegetation. We'll add a fence. And then we put a pond in that location as well. This
is an example of what Arborvidae trees look like. Our requirements to have them 12 feet at planting and 10 feet on center. There's no other requirement in Pasco County that any tree be twelve feet at planting.
This is a example of the buffering. You can see here all the natural buffering I was referring to. This is tanglewood, this is ridge, and this is the existing buffering that exists on this side.
Economic impact analysis, I usually don't do these, but I found it was so interesting when I did it. Usually I do it and I don't show it 'cause it just you know it's greenfield development. It's not that interesting. But when you take a project that's already developed, this is a developed as with a home site, so it already is is is paying taxes. And you look at what we're gonna pay. We're gonna pay our mobility fee, impact fee, building permit fees, we can pay our our Share three point four million. Ad valorum. This project in the $50 million investment bond my client will generate
$815,000 per year, third $3,426 per unit. Right now the property is generating eight thousand two hundred and ninety dollars for the county. And on average the properties around it are paying about twenty five hundred per year 'cause of because of Save Our Homes and Homestead exemptions and the like, which um this project will not get the benefit of. In ten years. My client's fifty million dollar investment will generate eight point one million dollars for the counting versus the current eighty two thousand nine hundred dollars is that's this property
on your arterial roadway or two hundred million dollar roadway is generating. Those are just all the backup of how that was calculated. The other thing is the net economic impact of having these folks come and live at this location. There's an income requirement. It's a Class A apartment unit. We have a minimum income. Affordable housing has a maximum income. We have a minimum income. This one's three times the monthly rent, about 60 to 65,000 per year household income, very similar to the medium household income of
the Tanglewood area, which is fifty-nine thousand per year. Our new residents combined income on this 20 acres, which by the way is a pretty large site for multifamily. My clients are trying to do it on 11, 12, 13. This one's 21 acres. That's why we're able to do so much more in this location. And the combined income is $13.8 million per year, and this will make a difference. This is why you do infill. You bring people with new income to an area. And they use the existing businesses, the Businesses
are attracted to the area as they see the new the existing businesses profiting and doing well and it just creates a whole new cycle and and you see shopping centers that are revitalized instead of continue to blight.
Thank you.
Yeah. Perfect.
I'm going to to leave my rest of my team kind of sitting there so they don't have to come up twice. Go ahead and move to you know public comment if you would like. Okay. That's acceptable. And then we can bring uh forward a more conversational rebuttal. Thank you.
Okay, um do we have people signed up to speak? Um so I'm just confirming this as item P112.
That's right. This is the hearing on the comprehensive plan amendment, not on the MPUD.
Okay. So yes, we have individuals signed up for item P112, and I will give the first person up is John Voda.
See for
it. Mm-hmm. And who's after John?
Ron.
Then then another John, John Campanella.
All right. Okay Mike, what do you think about that sewer project, huh? Huh? Not even close, huh?
That's twenty seconds off your time there. Yeah, right. Okay.
Name and address for the record, Penny for Pasco. Hey, um there's an editorial in the Name and Address for the Record, John. Please.
And that you've been sworn.
Yes, I've been sworn. My name is John Voda. I live in [address removed]. Perfect. In [address removed]. Uh late. Okay. Um there's an editorial in the Times. And that uh gave you guys a lot of great praise. They said the Pasco Commission gets it right on apartment building moratorium. Not on buildings, on moratorium. And that's Mr. Moore
led the charge for the moratorium. His district included Wesley Chapel. It grew at forty seven percent over the last decade with only twenty one percent for the rest of the county. All right, and that covered most of his area and up until um his end of his um District. Arguments are compelling. Mr. Moore also argued that oversaturating the area with apartment complex could lead
to blight, existing complex ages, and become less desirable than new communities. Sheriff Nacko also waded into the debate, asking that law enforcement needs to be factored into the development review process since every new housing subdivision apartment complex creates added territorial for dis deputies to patrol, which makes sense. Since they get half price on
their apartment complex. All right. One thing that you graciously said that you got a dog park coming into this area. Well we all know what dog parks turn into after hours, right? Drug parks. That's why the sheriff is concerned. It wasn't long ago that much of Pasco was still dotted with uh orange groves and cattle ranches, as Mr. Oakley's uh represents. And uh but it's okay if he puts in something else in our neck of
the woods where it's basically uh uh
doing our
Making um Okay.
Next twenty years? How many of you people are gonna be up here in twenty years from now? Probably none of ya. But we're gonna have to live with your decisions on this thing. And now um you want to put up a four story a four unit s uh apartment right next to the airport in the middle of a rural area. And may I say that that airport design is for an instrument type airport, not a VFR type airport. That
really ticks me off because oh no, it's got plenty of room. It doesn't. We're flying right over these things and it is it is an important part. All right, the other thing is that 54 and the toll road is closer to this Moffitt unit than this unit on Ridge Road. All right. So if you're saying well it's for the Moffitt Center and all this kind of stuff, it just just doesn't make sense, folks. It doesn't make sense.
Thank you, John. So please dis knock this off. Okay.
Uh the next gentleman standing up. Okay, and who's after this
gentleman?
And then after this gentleman that's stu can't stepping up, Shannon W. And then followed by uh Sunny Farah.
So if you could go ahead and line up, that would be great.
Okay, keep keep
telling
names.
They're gonna line up.
Yeah. Okay. Okay, thank you. Name and address, please.
My name is John Campanella. I live at [address removed].
And
have you
been sworn to the
Penny for Pasco?
They don't have to be sworn for the comp plan hearing. sorry. Okay. I'm arguing with a clerk. I represent Highlands of Tangerwood East H O A as well as myself. Ам опоз трі. The rezoning for fear of development that the subject property will cause the sinkholes and highlands of Tanglewood East to reopen and cause more property damage and personal injury andor death. Rezoning this property is not in the best in
the public's best interest. Seven. Yes, seven houses in Highlands of Tangawood East Subdivision, adjacent to the subject property, have had sinkhole damage and repair. Four of the Sinkhold properties share the western boundary of the proposed development site. Look at the Pasco County appraisers map under subsidence and sinkholes to see for yourself. Sinkholes are one of the most visible karst terrain features. This is a cost region.
Just look at all of recorded sink-al activity. on the north and south sides of Ridge Road, from Little Road, to Moon Lake. Signu activity. on the boundary of the subject property is a warning sign that the developer and county should carefully consider. This is a hazard in terms of human injury, property damage, and is the threat to public safety and well-being. The subject property is compromised of Adamsville and Tavares soils.
According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture Soil Series, Adamsville soil has a low pH. is moderately acidic. and rapidly permeable. Tavaras soil has a very low pH, it is strongly acidic. It is also rapidly permeable. Water passing through these soils become acidic and it percolates to the underlying limestone, where it dissolves the limestone structure in a weak weakening it. forming cavities and allowing superficial
sediments to collapse. The subject property has two existing plug sinkholes in the areas, and the subsidence as evidenced by multiple tilted trees and depressions in the land, especially near the West property line.
Publication Construction activities such as excavating, dewatering foundations, heavy equipment traffic. Altering natural drainage can trigger sinkhole collapse. Activities like mass grading uh scrapes away from protectors layers of soil, parking lots, paved roads, divert rainwater to infiltration points, and weight the four-story apartment buildings and man-made impoundments such as retention bases used
to Store runoff and create significant increase in bearing on supporting limestone, triggering the collapse and overburden the cavity. The development of this subject property will cause sinkholes in highlands of Tango Witties to reopen and more property damage and possibly injury or death. That rezoning the property uh uh will not preserve the name of the public safety.
Thank you.
Okay. Um may I
I'm sorry. Oh
do you want to
motion to accept and file?
I wanted to introduce you know ask this to be and I have a uh a diagram to show what I'm talking about.
Move to approve move to receive and file.
So you've made a motion or
I'm sorry. All in favor?
Aye. Aye.
I can give it to somebody. Yep, you can give it to her right there. Thank you very much.
Let me remind the public this is not the rezoning hearing. That is one twenty-six. This is the comprehensive plan hearing.
And who and so okay. We've got enough. Go ahead.
Hi, Eva Spezak, [address removed]. And um I'm gonna start off start off with the traffic because it is really a sore subject and that three percent usage I think is absurd. Um going to Google Maps, let's look at reality. 9640 Ridge Road, Google Maps says you turn right for all of these following. Target Sprouts, Michaels, Walmart, TJ Maxx, Clearwater St. Pete Airport, Ordnance One, Sims Park, Downtown
Newport Ritchie, Aldi's Big Storm, Starkey Park, Starkey Market, Morton Clayb, North Bay Hospital, Um Medical Center of Trinity Hospital. And uh Plenty more. Even the Salvador Dali Museum said to go down Tanglewood. Okay, parking. Um looking at the plan that they have at the planning meeting on the eighteenth of of last month, the developers presentation item number 38. On-site parking will be 1.9 spaces
per multifamily apartment unit. Are they asking for a variance for this? I thought it was 2.25 spaces. We are not a busing community. We do not have public transport. I mean, we have public transportation, but For an apartment complex like that, it's not gonna be utilized the the um the bus system. So parking is gonna be a big issue. Um it doesn't fit in that location if they have to Squeeze the area and squeeze for parking. It's not gonna fit. I have a question about where the dumpster
would be located. Nowhere in the in the plan does it show where the dumpster is. Dumb streams. Okay,
you cannot have a phone ringing. It's not fair to the lady speaking. Please turn off your phone. Thank you.
Okay, um for the dumpster station should be there's code designed for refusal uh refuse disposal station shall be designed maximum screening and it should be located away from residential areas. My question is is the emergency entrance entrance going to be used for the disposal? Is that going to be where the dumpsters are going to be? So is it really not an emergency use area?
I have a picture from
sister property of the developer. In the back they use and there are mattresses outside and I'm wondering if that's gonna be on Tanglewood Drive. Next issue. I have taxes multifamily and the economic impact. We already have a lot going on on this on Ridge Road. You have 23 acres just sold at 1132 Town Center Drive, two miles from this property. Zoned commercial, multifamily
office retail. You have 11319 Moon Lake Road, 34 plus acres, just sold. Going to be multifamily housing. It's five miles from the This property. You have 502 Little Road, 30 acres multifamily sold on Hunter's Ridge 2, five miles from this property. So there are already projects, three, that are going on right now and approved. Why does this one have to change? There's one other property right on the corner of Where am I looking
at? At uh Lowe's. Fifty acres are for sale. Multipurpose commercial retail. Why change zone for this property?
Thank you very much.
Um okay, name and address please.
Sonny Ferrer, [address removed]. I have been sworn in.
Thank you.
And just gonna present this to her.
All in favor? Aye. Aye.
Okay. All right. It uh at the past meeting we tried stating all the reasons why this project was not a good fit. At the current at its current location. Putting a Res 24 four story apartment building next to a Res One single family development with no real buffer. about the traffic and in the airport, the kids uh on walking on r uh Tango would drive or riding their bikes to school. uh which has no sidewalks or streetlights by the way. Actually it has two streetlights, but private
owners have to pay for 'em and they haven't, so they don't work. But they are there. Okay.
Anyway, the uh Uh
Oh yeah. And we also submitted over a thousand signed petitions. The Planning Board even voted and you saw it on her thing there uh Three to one not to recommend. uh like approving this project at the time. None of that seemed to matter, so maybe this will. Decisions made by you, the commissioners, are at your discretion. with the information you have to base your decision. However, we believe that you are going beyond your discretion by ignoring the fact that an actual traffic
study at this location was never performed. Are you aware the national traffic studies are flawed when applied to uh local areas? They use several points of assumptions, estimates, and flat out guesses, and this is per Uh Uh Brian Fisick. with the American Society of Civil Engineers of how national traffic studies are used when there's no other local available use or traffic studying being done. And
this is what's happened. With that in mind, I'm stating this for the record and future possible little p and future possible litigation against the county and you commissioners personally. You make this decision, someone gets killed at those intersections because their proper traffic study wasn't done and the traffic safety conditions weren't coming, they can basically come after you. and the county and Sue.
The the the traffic from a single exit and entrance from two hundred thirty apartments in Tanglewood Drive is approximately a hundred feet east of that entrance. So basically you've got Tanglewood Drive and you got two hundred and thirty units of apartments trying to get out onto Ridge Road. And they're only a hundred feet apart. So they're fighting to get on there. Eastbound won't be so much of a problem, but the westbound is gonna be a nightmare. Trying to cross two lanes of traffic for the apartments, then getting a left-hand turn lane, uh a U-turn lane, and then traffic coming out of Tanglewood
doing the same thing. And as you saw on her grammatic there, she saw sixty percent of the traffic actually going west on Ridge Road. Because that's where everything is. So people coming out of there twice a day. You might as well park an ambulance, a fire truck, and a police cruiser there to pick up the pieces because people trying to get it happens now. people coming out of there. My other main concern being on Sycamore Drive, that tra they're gonna come out, go right on Tanglewood and come out on Sycamore.
Thank you very much. That's your three minutes.
But I pay for that road. That's why.
We got your paper here. Thank you. Is there anyone else who's gonna speak to this issue? Please line up. Otherwise the gentleman with the blue hat will be the last one unless do we have anyone on WebEx?
We have no one on WebEx on this item. How many more do we
have?
As they're coming up, I'm checking
them
all.
Okay.
So
Um lo excuse me one second. What's your what's your name, sir?
My name is Paul Thatcher.
Some people may have left. It's been a long day.
No one else.
Okay, so if someone doesn't get up now then this gentleman's gonna be the last one.
All right. Proceed, thank you. Shannon Whitwer, [address removed]. It's very obvious that you do not need our permission to move forward with this project. I'm
so sorry, you have to say that.
But it is your job to protect the people and have our interest. not those of the developer. You should have R back and you don't. One who isolates himself from the truth should never work in government. Here's some truths that are being ignored. The comprehensive plan states there should be a transition in that area. You don't go from Res 1 to Res 24 without a transition. Right now, what you're putting there is a travesty. With the way things have gone, one would think that the comprehensive plan
was written in pencil. If it can be changed to suit the needs of one person and affect hundreds, then there is no comprehensive plan. No real traffic study was ever completed. Numbers taken from a nationwide study book during the time of COVID is not a true and real representation of the traffic that will go through Tanglewood Drive, and everyone here knows it. The school. When Pasco County's uh school board website says it's Cypress Elementary is closed, that it it does not mean
that there is plenty of room in that school. Twisting the truth now to fit the future years from now, that's not the truth. That's called a wish. Ignoring the high density and a low density area and dismissing the fact that the sheriff has stated he cannot keep up with that type of density, that's a problem. The people who live here are being put at risk without thought or care from their representatives. One of our biggest problems of all are the planes at the at Hidden Lake. They turn right on top of that complex when they
come in for a landing. I'm here to represent we the people. We who elected you do not feel represented. We've told you in every way we can not to move forward with this project. How are we supposed to tell the difference between what's going on in Washington and what's going right on here in this room? In all your decisions in Washington, people speak loud to their representatives, and the represent representatives ignore them and they do whatever they want. And again, how are we supposed to know
the difference? I get it. You don't need to explain yourself to the chickens. We are the chickens. We live here. We're going to live with these consequences. This vote that you all make, it's gonna be very interesting because we have a lot of people, a couple people here up for re-election. And I'm I'm sure we're all waiting to see how you uh How you go with this. Anyway, I implore you, open your eyes and ears. Make your decision now with the information that was presented with
you today. Get uncomfortable and do the right thing. Prove us wrong. Vote your conscience and not what the world tells you. And our last speaker.
My name is Paul Thatcher. All of a sudden our volume's really working. I promise you. And I swear what I say is the truth, nothing but the truth, so help me God. And you were sworn in?
Well he just sworn you're right.
Oh, it sounds reason.
[address removed]. Thank you. Okay. [address removed]. [address removed].
I object to what is trying to be built at Ridge Road and Tanglewood East.
I'm a veteran.
Where I have been to protect our country. the dirt I have eaten, the water I have swallowed. The places I have been To protect you.
Our representatives. Not only here.
but in all the places here in the United States and abroad.
You should have our best interests at heart. We the people. right here in Tanglewood East. Moon Lake.
Here at the airport. We packed. Literally packed. your room here And we objected. Not once.
Twice.
At the development Of the rezoning
Hearing That we had here.
and you still saw fit To tell us that our petitions that we delivered to you meant nothing to you. Absolutely nothing. You have no idea What it has taken for me to stand up here, I'm a 100% disabled vet. I have had three brain surgeries. Yeah. I got a hole in my head, lady. I've got more metal in me.
Yes, I've got more metal in me. I can't pass through airports. If they arrest me They keep asking me, What's that medal you got in me? I walk on metal. Titanium.
Folks.
How about using a little bit of common sense? If you think a four story apartment building Yeah. А нейборгуд комплекс. is common sense to you I think you all need Go look and talk to God. Because I don't think he would want one in his house.
No, no, and no. Thank you very much. All right. Um the applicant and rebuttal and all those things.
Barbara Wilhite for the applicant. Um as far as Mr. Compan Campanella's comments, yes, we will carefully consider sinkholes and and our project engineer is here and can hear all that and I'm sure he can talk to Mr. Campanella and get more information about all the things he talked about, and I guess he did provide you with something for the record I can get a copy of as well. So as you know, the county does have an extensive process regarding sinkholes and the process you have to go through to develop property. And you take it seriously and so does the engineer and so does the
applicant and so does their lender. All those people make sure that that um they're not putting a project uh that creates sinkholes or or will will become a sinkhole.
A good question about the emergency entrance and can it be used for trash pickup? The answer is no. It can be used by your your uh emergency services, your uh fire and rescue department. It's gated, it's locked, um so no it can't be used for trash pickup. be happy to work with the community as to where they might want to see the the dumpster located. Um and so all they need to do is reach out and we'll be happy to to uh have those conversations and make sure that's cited in a way that uh that works for them and for us. We have a large piece of property so
we should be able to accommodate that.
I have Mr. uh Henry here that I can talk about the traffic study. I think that's important for you to hear. As far as transition and and no buffer and right next to, we are the farthest thing away from right next to anybody. This this project has large buffers, specific buffers, and your comp plan This matches your complaint to the T. It absolutely is what your comp plan directs. You plan, we follow that planning. That's what we're doing here. The comp plan says that you can
transition through space, through property, and through buffering. And we took that, but when what people say they did it with a 10-foot buffer, 20-foot buffer, we we buffered and we set back and we did all those, we buffered and set back. So I just want you to appreciate that. You know, we're not asking for something that's not in your comp plan, that's not recognized by your comp plan, it's not encouraged by your comp plan. We're following those plans. And to me, those plans mean something. So let me have um Steve Henry come up and talk traffic because I know that's came up over and over and over. And
then I have the rest of my team available here if you have any other questions. Um thank you.
Madam Chairman Mariano. Yeah. This sheet that we just got, I'd like him to address each one of these questions. Where are they at?
So that would be the project engineer regarding soils and
No, no, this is a traffic study. So
Oh traffic, yes, Steve.
Um you wanna take my sure okay.
Okay. Uh Steve Henry, Linkston Associates, 5023, West Law, Tampa 33607. Um to go through some of the comments that were addressed.
Um So uh the one is on national data. So we do use national data. This is actually published by the Institute of Transportation Engineers. Uh they have done many, many studies. Uh in fact, when you look at their studies versus actually Pasco County has done local studies for your mobility fees. And the trip generation rates in there for residential are about twenty percent less. than the national average. But We use the national average. So in fact, what we're
using in our studies is actually a little bit higher than what you're actually seeing. in in actual local studies that have been done. Before Pasco County is a part of your mobility fee. Um as far as the um traffic, you know, we did the counts uh this year, February this year. Uh they were actually what whenever we do those counts, we actually factor those to peak seasons. We take extra F DOT goes out every year and counts the state roads and comes up and actually the local roads too, comes
up with factors. So we actually factor those to the peak season of the year. And that's what our analysis is based on is peak season of the year. Um let me see if there's anything else to get here.
Uh so I mean who paid for the study? Obviously the the developer paid for it. Um again COVID, we we did the we did the studies. The the you know we've talked with your transportation people, they had monitored it. There's been many counties that have been monitoring the COVID. You know, we used to do COVID adjustment factors. This year, every county in this area has eliminated the COVID factors because the traffic has gotten back up to normal. So from that standpoint, but again, we factor those to peak season. Um
Um So any plan for traffic light at uh uh Ridge Road in Tanglewood, uh not not to my knowledge, but again, you know, the The volume of traffic, you know, our traffic, we have our separate access an entrance on Ridge Road onto our project. One of the comments came up that our access is a hundred feet from Tanglewood. We're actually over seven hundred feet from Tanglewood. So we and we actually meet your spacing criteria for a directional median opening from Tanglewood to our access. So
it's not a hundred feet, it's actually over seven hundred feet. Um
Uh I may I think those are the only really substantive comments uh or questions on on the on those. So unless you've got any other questions, I'm happy to answer any questions.
Thank you.
Would you like to hear anything further from my airport consultant or our project engineer? I know we've kind of went through everything. I wouldn't have to do it.
I know I Madam Chair, sorry, I know it's been a long day. We have a lot left after this, probably two, but I would like to hear from the airport consultant because obviously there's people here from the airport and that was mentioned today just like it was last meeting. So
Okay.
And that's one of my we'll hear from the
airport
that's one of my concerns and as it was last meeting. So I would like to hear
Do you have his PowerPoint? Thank you. These guys are great by the way.
Thank you. Doug Saunders, CNS Compass Live, eleven eighteen O Day Drive, Winter Springs, Florida. And I have been sworn in.
If anything I don't hit you hit specifically want to talk about, let me know. I'll kind of run through kind of briefly the same presentation as previous. Been doing this about 20 years, uh professional engineer only doing aviation engineering on airports. Uh we all know the uh The project Flight procedures. So the one question was regarding visual versus not not instrument. We're not doing an instrument approach. These are all visual approaches, so we are following the visual. We're not doing a instrument approach approach for this type of airport. It's all standard left hand traffic pattern. Uh
someone mentioned the base leg, they are gonna turn over top of the uh top button. Thank you. So the base leg is when they turn turn down wind. It's visual, so it's really it's pilot's choice. They can turn whenever they want. So you see the white, I show the worst case white, also green and blue. They can really turn over whenever they want to. Again, they're gonna be sitting rather high up. They're gonna be sitting about four to five hundred feet above grade. The building's gonna be
about ninety-five feet. Again, the uh Um the power lines along Ridge Road are higher than that. So they'll you know they'll be closer to the the power lines than anything else. When they take off, they'll actually be, it's left-hand traffic pattern. So when they take off, they're actually gonna be taking off, they're taking off southwest. They should be, if they're following their own protocols, they'll be taking off over the college, not over our our uh our our project. So when they take off, they'll be um if they're following their procedures, their protocols,
they should be doing a left-hand traffic pattern for takeoffs.
Uh public zoning regulations. Uh Barbara talked about this. This is we've talked many times about this. This is actually being run redone by your county right now. There was a C Terry, but there you guys are going through a review. This is for public airports, not even for private airports, but even if it was a regulation that we did follow, we'd still be fine. We're still outside this area. And then once you do this other study that's coming up. Um I guarantee the contours will be within the property line. It'll be within Bridge Road when those contours are developed.
Uh Barbara mentioned the safety protection zones. Again, there's no protection zones, safety areas, object-free areas, anything over our site. The RPZ does go into the uh the parking lot of the college, which is the road protection zone, which is normally trying to be cleared, and it goes across Ridge Road as well.
Airspace analysis for tall structures. So you know, obviously I'm here for standards. I want to follow the pro call, make sure everything's is is correct. Um, this is the contours that we did for this this visual airport. Again, we did not do look at an instrument type of airport, this is a visual airport. Um, this is not an obstruction at all to um to the airspace of the airport. Um this project will not. And actually, I just said earlier, the power lines are higher.
You can go back one slide.
I'm gonna ask you a question about the power lines for a second. But if you want to go through that,
I just uh I just it might help out just because it's it's it's kind of complicated to think like a lot of these are 2D surfaces on the ground, a lot of them are 3D surfaces in the air. This is a 3D vertical surface. Um so really as you're going up in the air, that's why I'm talking about the contours above grade, where we're not penetrating that surface um vertically in the air for this project. Uh Chair Chairman Mariano.
Yeah, if you go to the next picture. So I believe I I was on the LPA when I was on the school board, which was the local planning agency. And I remember uh something coming in here. And Um or with Lakie was doing something with their power lines. And anyway they they were made to Lower their Some of their um new transmission lines that were coming in somewhere along here. And they have red balls on them if I remember. So are you familiar
with where they are on this route?
Uh I I know I actually I did take a few photos from the college kind of
I am.
I'm very familiar.
Yeah, so they're they're not as wide as this This thing here. So So they were only ha they only had to come down in a Yeah. It'd be interesting to see whether well I could probably look at it.
Yeah, I mean honestly we could get a survey pretty easily of the top of the top of the power poles and show um show that. But I will say just or apologize, go ahead.
With those power lines, what they did is in front of the runway, they instead of the three lines being vertical, they turned them horizontal and they did add the orange balls on them and then it twists up Right around the bend and again the power lines are higher than those apartments when you go around that bend. Yeah.
So where it was important to be lower. With Lacucci had to lower those transmission lines. Well didn't matter. They're back up high.
So the power lines at the end of the The runway. They're higher than the
end of the runway in a certain width.
Yeah,
they're back to the high. They're
three high vertical.
Yeah, they're higher than the apartments. Yep.
Yes.
Well that they have to come over those before they come to the apartment. Yeah. And then they get down lower over there.
Mm-hmm.
And I guess the last last thing is is the FAA did we did submit a um or or um Tampa Civil submitted a a FA determination, so it's really to the FAA and I think the question was is they even review this airport because it's a private airport. And and I would say we concur with the FAA's uh recommendation that there is no no hazard to air navigation. So we a hundred percent agree with uh with the FAA Federal Administration Association's uh study. So a hundred percent agree. Any other questions for the airport side?
Okay.
I I would just say I I talk to I have two relatives. Well I'm just talking in general. It is air airport related. I do have two um my son-in-law is Lieutenant Colonel D S and my brother-in-law is Lieutenant Colonel Patterson, U.S. Air Force. One also now flies for American and I showed them all the stuff that that y'all had. My son in law, air both of them Air Force Academy grads, is uh has um been a flight instructor on three
different kind of flights, is now commander of a squadron and they said that's n there's no issue there. That's what the 'cause I went and asked around.
my own opinions on the airport. So just letting you know that.
So that only leaves Mr. Couch. But he is available if we want to talk to Mr Couch about sinkholes or drainage or Stormwater or any of those things. Okay, if not, hearing none, I'll just do a simple closing for you all. Um this is a very important project as an infill project opportunity. This opportunity exists because your comp plan and the things you put into your comp plan to encourage it. It exists because of the public expenditure that was made for Ridge Road and its extension.
This opportunity exists because of the incentives for Moffitt. The infield development equates to change, so anytime you have change you're going to have resistance. But this is your plan for this property. I hope you support this project and the info projects in the West Market area that will follow, that will finally follow the plans you made in 2008, 10, and 13. And allow this proper this 21-acre property alone to generate $8 million in new ad
valorem taxes in 10 years, versus if it sits like it is today, 8,200 times 10, which is 82,000. 8.2 million versus 82,000. Thank you very much for your patience in listening to us. I'm going to incorporate if we get to the MPUD stage, I'll incorporate so we don't have to do this again with my presentations. Thank you.
Thank you. All right, to the board. Yes, Commissioner Mariano. So
I've heard the Complan mentioned how It was set up a certain way years ago. When I first got elected we're adopting it. Uh I think you were you sat on as a re representative.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Oh well no that was the ear.
The year. So when we set this up, I think we looked at everything involved. And I think one of the reasons this was left as res one. was because it was a rural area. And Tanglewood might have been a factor, other things might have been a factor, but we looked at that. And that was why I think it stayed that way. We didn't make any other changes because I think the same thing goes. You've got to run a sewer line two miles to get here. Now I don't even know how efficient that is for the system.
It's it it's just very distracting. Thank you. This is the last time and the bailiffs are gonna take out the next person that talks. So so
all I've learned about land use in my years in the commission is growth is supposed to radiate out. And if you look at right in this one area, it's Res One. A all around it. And then it spreads out a little bit fur as you go further. Now I can appreciate Ridge Road coming in here. It's a very important road for us and you know f I think we've we've all fought that from day one, how important that road was. But when you look at the character of the neighborhood and and look at Tanglewood Drive. Even the transportation folks will tell you it gets jammed up and the best thing to do is not
to go down that road during that time of day. That's the solution. So that road is like inoperable and it's dangerous. There's no sidewalks there. You got kids There's one family from what I'm told that actually Walks to school. Everyone else takes the car. Now they I will say they have a nice plan to go put kids in front, up that go through that w might entice 'em to the bus, but The families may still drive him in. I don't know. Either way it's gonna be a a heavy traffic thing. When when I look at we've got Res One,
Res III, Res six, Res nine, Res twelve, Res twenty-four, that's a long way to go from Res One to this MPUD. And it sounds better as an MPD that does Res 24 because it would just stick out like a uh if it was a zoning type thing. You'd say that's like spot zoning. the intensity that this has from where it is is not compatible. for any everything that's around it. You can talk about the road coming in, you can talk about all the growth coming from down the road. Let it go closer to where Moffitt's gonna be. Let it go back toward
the other side of Ridge Road where there's much better infill. And we've s we've seen burnt out buildings over on Little Road in Regis Park. that it was sitting there for years. Well maybe this traffic is gonna help get through. Let's go work on the infill where there's a big issue. What we're gonna do is if this gets approved, this is gonna transform the neighborhood in I think a very negative way. that people put a lot of money into, their lives have been there. Um And it just doesn't seem to fit. Um
And again I've got Mike Carbella. Mike was gone. I was gonna add you right off the bat. Mike. We didn't put a line in When we're re redoing this road. Right? All the way
through.
Any reason we didn't
The utility typically does not speculate on where to put utility customers. Uh the cost of lines is typically borne by the developers. We have been pretty consistent across the county on that. Okay,
but if the road was going to go in, wouldn't it have been cheaper to do it as the road was going to get built and put it apart into a plan?
To make a point. On fifty six, they four laned it? No water, no soil.
Typically, I mean would it be less expensive? The answer is yes, but there is a cost to maintain that infrastructure. And if it is unused, then it can be more expensive to maintain or not function the way in it's intended. It's it's push
forward.
So as far as looking at the cost, these guys get hooked up, they're gonna come in. Who else along that line are we gonna get to hook up?
We would have to see the development patterns. I mean, I I I assume that uh most of the residences are on septic systems or or or the like. So I mean that's that's a costly venture. So would be other probably commercial or other types of developments that would crop up along the way, I would assume. So
whatever you would find up and down on on
Yeah, they've
got to run all
the bridge roads.
Right, but then when you're gonna run the maintenance of it, when you gotta go pump sewage from one spot to another spot. It's gets expensive to keep on moving it up and down, no?
Yeah, there is there is a cost associated with that, but our our rates account for that.
All right. So again, um I just look at going from Res One around there and going to Res twenty four. It just it's not compatible.
Anyone else? I would like to address a few uh the concerns that d um citizens have brought up. One of course the developer was investing in the around eight hundred thousand dollars to put in the sewer lines. When we talk about traffic and it's very important because that traffic has been there for over ten years.
For the number of students that go to Tanglewood, there are 670 students. There's 512 bus riders. And out of those five hundred and twelve bus riders, twelve of them live within Tanglewood. And then five hundred live outside Tanglewood. Of course there's only one walker. And then as for car riders, there's 150 car riders. After speaking to the Pasco County School District, I had mentioned what about courtesy buses? And they said they have already deemed it unsafe
for students to walk in Tanglewood to school and therefore Every student that lives with inside Tanglewood. is eligible to have bus transportation. So I think
That needs to be addressed and students need to be picked up by the bus. Again, with those statistics, there's a traffic safety commission monthly for them the school board and they can also apply for the safe routes to school, which is a federal grant that will put in sidewalks at no cost to residents. Also, I know someone mentioned the lighting. There is a work order in for the lights at Tanglewood and Ridge Road and also for Tanglewood and Sweet Bay through with Lacucci.
Um next was the airport. So a lot of the airport concerns because it was my concern initi initial initially and the
When the airport and Hidden Lake had brought it to my attention, I initiated and we are now implementing the airport protection plan. The airport protection plan protects public use airports and I insisted on Hidden Lake being included in that public use being included in the airport protection plan. Pasco County is paying fifteen to sixteen thousand dollars for their sound study, And we're also including hidden lakes in the airport. to have
a voice and a representative on the airport commission. And again they already mentioned the airport Lines are higher. And then the multifamilies.
And I think the rest are for later. Also, it was mentioned in I think staff's presentation or someone's presentation that law enforcement did not have a concern with this project. So law enforcement is involved with deciding if it's gonna cause an impact, a negative impact on the county. And also they invention eight hundred thousand dollars in ad valorem taxes. Law enforcement does get fifty percent
of the growth of the ad valorem taxes. To meet the needs of our citizens. Thank you. Commissioner Oakley?
Yeah. Everyone knows I'm for this project. I feel it fits in the pattern here very well. I think it's a good project. I think it's uh well Designed And it's basically within itself it's three hundred foot back from any other Property near it. um travel patterns or work, but I honestly believe it'll be a project that once it's built, everybody will be proud of it in the area. And I don't believe they will notice that
it's there. In a sense. Because it will be a very upscale project. And with that I move for approval.
Second.
Thank you. And um I'm I'm gonna say uh you know we we talk a lot about multifamily up here. And um And someone brought up the moratorium that's in Commissioner Moore's district. And yeah, there are a lot of apartment complexes over there. And You know, I'm starting to see a lot of them pop up on fifty four. It's a little and and it's uh it is um something that we need to look at. Uh I actually had a Um a cu a very good company com came to meet
with me from Indianapolis wanting to build an apartment complex on fifty four near Starkey Boulevard. And we just um Terry and I met with them multiple times. It's not a good place. I mean There's some places that are okay and there's some places that are not. So we're not rubber stamping multifamily by no means. But in my mind This is not in Tanglewood, this is on Ridge Road. And um just like the community college is not in Tanglewood. It's o um On
Ridge Road and Paul Air Power. And Commissioner Mariano, there's gonna be a professional office So S very int you know, there's the opportunity for intensity right across the street and I'm sure they're gonna use that That um sewer system too. So there's there's there's no doubt that Ridge Road is going to become a more intensified corridor. We've put a lot of investment there, and that's one of our major east-west roads. So this is um a scaled-down
apartment complex. It's not as big as it w originally was. They've taken out the carriage apartments, they They've done everything to accommodate the neighborhood above than what I think they needed to do. Um And uh I I'm gonna, you know, also vote for it. Um So or n call for questions. I will call for the question. Roll call vote. Roll roll call vote. Okay.
Go ahead,
broke
up. I'm just making sure that I who who was the motioner?
Uh Commissioner Oakley
and Commissioner Fitzpatrick did thank you. District two, Commissioner Oakley.
How about District One?
Oh my gosh. We haven't had a
meeting go this late now, huh? Are you okay?
I need some sugar. District District One, Commissioner Oakley with an aye. District two, Commissioner Moore. District four, Commissioner Fitzpatrick with a Patrick. Aye. District five, Commissioner Mariano.
Aye.
District two or District Three Chairman Starkey. Aye.
Okay, so it passed.
Okay, now we do One twenty seven.
Okay. So this is oh, I did want to say, um, Jack, we didn't change any land uses when we did the air. Am I saying that right? Yeah, we didn't do any changes.
My understanding is in two two thousand and six update, none of the future land use maps got changed, but yeah.
Hey, Commissioner Starkey. Yeah. Um can I just say something real quick, if you don't mind? And we we always appreciate no matter how we vote, we voted different on this one, okay? But that's okay. But at the same time, and uh Madam Chair, I don't want you have to say it because how they some people are referencing, but
You know, it's a tough job for everybody up here. Just When you come up, don't disparage the commissioners and say and and and and try to threaten with votes and things like that, because I can tell ya it doesn't help. Okay, it just doesn't. So Please just Add a courtesy. We may disagree. That's okay.
You know Idle threats don't uh go very far.