An Ordinance By The Pasco County Board Of County Commissioners Establishing A Temporary Moratorium (180 Days) On The Submission And Acceptance Of Applications For Building Permits, Site Plans, Special Exception Uses, Conditional Uses, Rezoning, And Comprehensive Plan Amendments Within The Moratorium Areas Around Airports In Pasco County; Providing For Authority; Legislative Findings Of Fact; Definitions; Moratorium Areas; Temporary Moratorium Imposed; Duration Of Temporary Moratorium; And Severability.

27:54Good afternoon, Commissioner. Elizabeth Blair, Pasco County Attorney's Office. This is the uh first public hearing on an ordinance entitled An Ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners: Establishing a Temporary Moratorium, 180 Days on the Submission and Acceptance of Applications for Building Perm, Site Plans, Special Exception Use. Conditional uses, rezoning, and comprehensive plan amendments within the moratorium areas around airports in Pasco County, providing for authority, legislative findings effect, definitions, moratorium areas, temporary

28:25moratorium imposed, duration of temporary moratorium, and severality. But previously directed by the Board of County Commissioners that there would be a moratorium on the development of land around the airports in Pasco County. An initial draft of that ordinance was circulated and brought to our Our airport zoning commission as well as our planning commission. And on March Third, the LPA recommended approval of the initial moratorium that had multiple off-ramps for development to continue in

28:55Pasco County during the time of the moratorium. While allowing that development to meet certain state standards and federal standards. Since that time, there was some opposition that arose to that moratorium. and led to uh two different morning drafts of moratorium being introduced to you or Brought to you. Um following meetings of the Planning Development Department, representatives of the development community drafted a moratorium ordinance. However, in the opinion of the County Attorney's Office, the Development Community Moratorium Ordinance does not prohibit any development around airports

29:25that's not already prohibited. by f st state or uh federal law or county policy. And effectively it would not be a moratorium at all. So since that time and after consultation with each of you A draft a redrafted moratorium ordinance was prepared by the County Attorney's Office, and the moratorium areas of that ordinance are strictly reduced. That is the ordinance that's in your packet with the attachments, Exhibit A. The moratorium areas proposed by that ordinance are much smaller, they're oval in size, they're called

29:56noise abatement areas, also known as airport zoning protection areas. They're measured based upon a uh Formula in Florida statute where the oval is half the size of the runway all the way around. Also, within that moratorium ordinance, we recognized that there was some need for additional off-ramps or exceptions. So we did create four proposed exceptions. We wanted to go ahead and continue to exempt the primary target industries that would keep Zephyrhills economic development projects moving forward.

30:26We also would allow for billing permit applications that had been determined to meet FAA standards, that not creating a hazard to air navigation to go. go forward. That specifically was geared to protect the Campbell property, which already has vested rights to go forward. We also made an exception for the project on Ridge Road because it had a conceptual plan approved by all of you that does not allow for any buildings to be located in the moratorium area. And we also, of course, would allow for the local airports to continue to pull building permits and move forward because they're subject to their own standards and rules. On

30:57april eighteenth, two thousand and two, the Airport Zoning Commission reviewed the County Attorney's Office proposed moratorium ordinance and recommended that that moratorium be the one adopted by this board. Since that time It has been suggested that land uses within the proposed moratorium areas further be defined to prohibit residential and educational facilities. In doing so, there was no longer a concern to allow for economic development projects in Zephyrhills since they would be taken out of any potential moratorium. So I did make that change to that document. It's in front of you labeled as

31:27P57. And if you'll look on page three of that document, Yeah. I've included

31:36Language that Provides for

31:42In section five. that the moratorium area would be then limited Within those oval-shaped areas still, but now only prohibiting residential and educational facilities. I've also included definition of educational facilities and residential in section three of that proposed ordinance. So for today, what's before you? is to hold the first public ho pu uh public hearing Except public comment. and to continue the final public hearing,

32:13which was to be for today, to May 17, 2022. Or we've also provided an alternative board action for you, which is to cancel the final public hearing for this moratorium ordinance and decline to adopt any moratorium ordinance for any areas around airports in Pasco County, and instead direct staff in the County Attorney's Office to only regulate areas around airports through the future airport zoning regulations ordinance. Any questions for me at this time?

32:38Madam Clerk. Alright, Commissioner Fitzpatrick. Just to confirm because the biggest concern that I I have heard was one we will be using one half the runway for the airport moratorium. Zone. Correct. Correct. But when the noise abatement study comes in, then we would be adopting the noise study for the updated Correct. Um

33:03the ordinance before you does allow for in section three the definition of noise abatement areas to be that measurement board of statutes as you pointed out. Also in section five, they have a statement in the ordinance that allows for the noise abatement areas to be modified should the county's consultants noise studies be completed during the time of this moratorium and are adopted by the board. So once those are complete, we can bring those right to you. for adoption.

33:28Okay. Any other questions?

33:32No chair. I know we gotta take public comment still. These are just some things I wanna take into consideration a little bit. Um again, how large is the oval?

33:45It is d dependent upon the size of the runway because it's specific to each runway. So for example, on um pilot country, it is eighteen hundred eighteen hundred feet approximately. So that's half the length of the runway. And then when you end up turning it into the oval Like is in your packet. Um, And each runway is a little bit different. And Zephyrhills has two runways, so you see the two ovals there. And those are larger than the other ones.

34:12Okay, so um let's go over a couple. So let's look at uh separate hills. How large is that? Oh well.

34:19I don't

34:22Theirs is for runway five and twenty-three, it's twenty five hundred And for runway one and nineteen it's twenty three forty seven.

34:33So That number again um I know the answer is just we're gonna do it for the people at home and the and and the people in the audience. twenty five hundred from the runway or the circumference of the oval is twenty five hundred feet.

34:47It's from the runway. Right. So radius all the way around the one w runway is one half. So it makes sense.

34:55Yeah,

34:56in Legends. So let's go to um Tampa North Arab.

35:05That's a shorter runway.

35:07Mm-hmm. I think this is

35:09I people can nod their heads. I think that's shorter than Pilot County Administrator.

35:12Yes, it is.

35:19So that runway goes across that that oval goes across seventy-five.

35:24Correct.

35:25So I'm going to use this as an example. Um I know that area very well. Plays fly over my house. Does not bother me whatsoever. We think it's kind of cool actually. You know the kids love it. They see the planes coming over and stuff. And I I know we wanna do something obviously to protect the runways. We wanna make sure the it's not impeded, the flight pattern's unimpeded, the uh approach in and is not impeded, um takeoffs unimpeded, and the whole nine yards. Um but when it comes to noise, this is where

35:55I guess I have a little bit of an issue. And I say that because If you move into a neighborhood. You should be familiar there's an airport next to it. Or is it with a certain amount of distance? And then come back later and say, Well this noise is bothering me Well that's on you. You made you made that decision yourself. I use where I live because planes fly over to Tampa North Air Park. If anybody knows that area, when you go down 75, do you think they're gonna hit your car sometimes?

36:25Kinda neat, right?

36:27Uh

36:29It's kinda cool, you know.

36:32Do you not remember when you were younger, did you ever go to TIA and like park at the side and watch the planes fly over and lay on your on the hood of your car? We used to do that.

36:38There's a feature can hang

36:40out

36:40in uh Saint Martin where they they

36:43can almost tell it. Yes. So when we talk about m uh having a noise abatement study or noise abatement area And think about TIA for example. People are building a multi-million dollar home. Which would be in a noise abatement area in South Tampa and close to the airport. You have multi million dollar condoms at Homes. Davis well Davis Island's a great example. I totally forgot about that airport. Uh yeah, that's another example of an airport. So point

37:13being is that um

37:17You know, who who are we protecting with the noise? You know, we're we're prote you're protecting people that Should have known when they bought a house or built a house there was an airport buying. That doesn't really Yeah.

37:33concern me too much.

37:36And that's not

37:37the purpose

37:37of the regulation is.

37:38Well, but then we talk about that though. So I want to make sure, you know, that w we are having that discussion. That's a big part of this discussion. As we can see what's on the screen. So That's one of my huge concerns when it comes down to this. Again We want to make sure people are able to fly in and out safely and get back and forth to their airport. But when it comes to the noise factor,

38:06When taking into consideration the airport protection zone, there are four elements and the four elements that have to be addressed are height compatibility based on the noise study or based on noise, landfill, and then runway protection zone. And those are the four elements. So sound is gonna the noise is gonna be addressed. And there was an email that someone was thanking the Board of County Commissioners for implementing an airport protection zone because they didn't want to hear

38:36the noise. So and I explained that's not really what the airport protection zone is. And I believe there was an airport and if someone can correct me if I'm wrong. in Clearwater or surrounding areas that they did have to start limiting their hours of operation due to the noise constraints. So therefore we do want to protect the airports to make sure there is not an issue where the citizens are up in arms and having to be able to have a say and then shut down the airport.

39:07What Madam Chair? Does as a response? Yeah, yeah. I can

39:10call it myself.

39:11Yeah, no

39:11you go ahead. Commissioner Oakley and then me.

39:14Yeah, yeah, you can go ahead, but I I just yeah

39:16I'm

39:16not sure.

39:16Oh no

39:16I

39:16think commission I think.

39:19We'll

39:19go to Commissioner Oakley.

39:21Can we go to uh Hidden Lake Airport?

39:29Seth Weightman.

39:32And on Hidden Lake, people in that area that live there know there's airport. They live there, their homes are there. So they're there f because of the noise and they know the noise is there. So

39:47I don't know if this does this cross the property we've we've already approved a zoning and all on a on a uh multifamily I call it a resort. Tanglewood and uh Ridge Road.

40:02Correct. And that's why there's an exception created for them. Is

40:05it in the circle?

40:06It the portion of the property that's in the circle is their dog park, a gazebo, a detention pond, but no structures. That's why I had that exception for the

40:18here's my concern about it. Does that stop them 'cause they've got their approval? But they haven't pulled a permit yet. Does if we put this in place for six months

40:31Does that stop them from receiving their permit? Because I've heard otherwise.

40:35No.

40:36And Does it keep them from moving forward because When they went forward with this project They answered all the questions about FAA and and everything, because that was one of the big issues around that area. And the noise and and the area around there for line of flight of planes and all. They went through all that. If this prohibits them from going forward and pulling their permit, Then it stops them six months and then

41:06they have to come back and prove Again, through the FAA and all which we all voted for, I

41:13don't think. They're exception number four. They're exception number four on page four, section five. They're they're they're they're not covered by this moratorium at all. They have an exception to it.

41:23Okay.

41:25Are we going on the line still? No. I wasn't done before. You're jumping back before. I'm sorry, I had a I had a list.

41:34But this is right here. Um yeah, just going to Commissioner Oakley's statement. So if we look at he he he named a certain potential developer.

41:43There could be others.

41:44Yeah.

41:44Yeah.

41:44Well you wouldn't have been able to build the college.

41:47Right, that's true. When I so I go back I go back into the um multifamily moratorium that just ended. Big fan, right? We all know that. At the same time. At the same time. One of the things I said when we did that was if somebody has their entitlements, they have an application in It can't affect them, right? This board can say no for whatever reason if it you know if it's it goes against the top clean and things like that. But Is there any type of future developments around any of these airports

42:17which would have to do anything differently or do something additional to what they've al the process they've already gone through to get their entitlements? Do they have to go back and do a noise-evadement study? Would they have to do anything else whatsoever? if this were into if this were to come into effect after the moratorium if the actually policy were too much.

42:39During the course of the moratorium, they couldn't do anything if they don't need an exception.

42:50Okay.

42:50So

42:51So okay, so so somebody that already has gone through the approvals of this board and received entitlements, they would not be allowed to move forward With a project, even though this board gave them permission to do

43:04they could pull a building permit under number two.

43:07Uh-huh.

43:07So I if that's what you're asking if they have to they have to prove up though under the FAA that they're not a hazard to air navigation. But if you already had your site plan you could pull a building permit. So to my knowledge, there aren't any projects stuck in the middle from what I've been told, but I think that maybe planning and development folks may be able to answer more specific questions if you have them about a particular project. Um But Bear net when the course of the actual When the when the regulations are actually adopted, they would be forced to go through something in addition to what we already have now in our code, if you were asking

43:38that.

43:38They would have to say that one more time?

43:40Once the regulations are actually adopted at the end of the moratorium, there will be additional criteria that some developments would have to go through if l based upon where they're located, you know. In a Part 77 surface, within some obstruction areas. So yes, there will be new things that new people will have to do in the future, even if they already have their rezoning, for example, because the rules will kick in at site plan or are building permit time.

44:02Yeah, so like that's one of my issues, right? Again, we've told somebody that s ste stood in front of us and spent their money and went through the process that they can move forward with something. And now we're potentially, you know, and it's true, we're potentially changing. Change not potentially changing the rules. Right? I mean in essence, right? That's that'd be the fact isn't now you're required to do more than you were previously told And it may have been a year or two long process that you went through, got your approvals, you know, hooray, we're ready to move forward. And and now,

44:32oh, we have to do more. So now it's more now it also cost more, right? Because they're gonna have to have land use attorneys and whoever's doing the studies and everything to go through a potentially another process. Right. Well that, you know, I

44:44mean

44:44that that kind of concerns me. So I go back to the again, the multifamily one that we did before, which obviously But I said there's no way anyhow we can make them people already have it, they have it. Done. Don't like it, but that's not fair if we didn't if we took that away. Right. So there lies my issues.

45:00Madam Chairman Mariano. This was brought up in twenty sixteen and w the county was supposed to adopt an airport an APZ by June of twenty seventeen and we still don't have one set up.

45:16Right. So Oh where yeah, yeah. Um there's a lot of counties and cities that I unfortunately or fortunately or whatever you want to say don't have them either. I mean thousands across the nation.

45:30I'm not saying don't do something. just tweak it.

45:33We don't have what What was required in two thousand and sixteen, we don't have anything. So when the rules changed in two thousand and sixteen became effective Other jurisdictions already had rules in place they had to tweak. We've we've had nothing, so we're the disadvantaged that way.

45:50And I've spoken to the stakeholders and the ones I know the biggest concern recently was they were concerned with one half the runway distance radius around the runway. They would like to see the noise abate um the noise study be utilized. One of the main concerns I think was we cannot move forward with the AP Z until we receive the noise study back. But if we can move forward with the moratorium so we can stop worrying about

46:20the moratorium and move f our focus to the A P Z so we can finalize the A P Z, as soon as the A P Z is completed, then the moratorium will be over.

46:28Well okay, so I have a question on that. I heard that study maybe have come in last night. What we got was

46:35the MAT data points for lack of a better word. I don't know, didn't you say what they call it? So um but we don't have the actual noise contour studies. Basically the consultant took the data provided to her and she put it into the computer program and now she's asking for verification that what she did was correct. And then then it will actually then after that point in time create the noise contour studies you actually can look on a map and see where those lines are. So that's eminent. That's not done yet. That's but it's but it's supposed to happen this month. And

47:06we can adopt those.

47:07And in section five A it does say as soon as a noise study comes in, we'll be utilizing the noise study and not half of the runway.

47:14All right. So I I'm I'm with the thoughts of Commissioner Moore that if you buy a house near an airport you can expect that there's gonna be planes landing at that airport. Um And but in talking with Elizabeth, you know, I think uh we had told the one neighborhood, Well, you have to put in your HOA documents that or something that they sign that they're moving in near an airport. Um Well, from what have we gather there is uh that doesn't mean they can't

47:44sue. So I'm just wondering if thinking of how um agriculture is protected in the state of Florida If we don't need to ask our legislators to protect airports. Because if you move if you move With the sound. If you move near an airport, you need to expect the sound. If you move next to my blueberry farm, you're gonna hear the gun go off. scaring the birds and I and so

48:11Highways. You live you live next to a highway. Close to a highway,

48:14I mean You're gonna hear the costs. Constantly. Yeah, so you know people are so happy and I just think we all we need to protect our airports there.

48:24Madam Chair, do we have public comment on that? Uh

48:26we do and we have um we have um thank you. Barbara Will Hight. Thanks. I'm sure there may be more questions. Barbara Willheid has a presentation and maybe others signed up. There's five signed up. Um okay.

48:39There might be more but there's five signed up. Okay. Barbara, why don't you do your presentation then we'll hear and just for the record, no one is on WebEx. Okay.

48:48Mm-hmm. Okay, Barbara has requested five minutes

48:52to speak for a group. Barbara Willheight, [address removed]. I could probably speak about this for an hour. I'm actually tired of speaking about it. Um I did one thing that was characterized uh by attorney Blair was that the uh members of the development community drafted an ordinance. That's not true.

49:14Mr. Pitos asked for some reasons to be made to the draft ordinance and um I was the scrivener, so I was his scrivener. Um I did not put forth any draft ordinance. So just want to clear that up. Um

49:33So in conversations regarding this topic, which I've learned a lot about, unfortunately. Um, I'm been asked over and over and over, what is what are you actually required to do? And so I just want to go over that briefly because you haven't been presented that yet and I didn't see it in the agenda memo anywhere, so I don't know if you actually know what you're required to do. So then you can distinguish when you're being asked to do something more than you're required to do. So this is your your comp plan, you have a comp plan that specifically spells out what you are required to do, what you wanted

50:03to do, what you said you were going to do, and what you adopted to do based upon flora statutes, and you just did that in December. So this talks about the the ensuring the airport protection and exactly what you're gonna do. There's two components of airport zoning regulations: airport protection, zoning regulations, airport protection, that's height, but you're protecting the airport. Nothing more important to protecting an airport than height so you don't have obstructions that airplanes run into. And then there's a second component of airport zoning regulations under Florida law. It's

50:33airport land use compatibility. And that's where you have landfills, address landfills because of wildlife attractants, noise contours, land use compatibility, and one-way protection zones. Those are the four components of what you're required to do by Florida statutes.

50:49Height is intuitive, y that's one of the things you have to deal with. Landfills, intuitive, wildlife, sanitary landfills. I'm not even sure you can cite a new sanitary landfill in Pasco because of your resource recovery center, so I'm not sure that's actually an issue in Pasco, but it is a statutory requirement. Runway protection zones, intuitively. approach and and departure, those need to be protected. And that's actually if there's something that that you say, is there an actually emergency,

51:20is there something that we need to do now? Runway protection zone, if somebody comes is a permitted use and comes in and pulls a permit They could pull a permit in the runway protection zone because the runway protection zones of at least Hidden Lake and um and Tampa North Air Park are privately owned. They're not owned by the airport. So if there's one place that you actually somebody could come in and do something detrimental to an airport, that's it. Um and so I that's the reason why I think uh Mr. Pitos can talk for himself, but when he asked me to be

51:50the scrivenor to prov bring forward an ordinance that he was gonna recommend to you. He's like, I want to make sure the runway protection zone is in that moratorium area. And there was clear consensus on that, by the way. Everybody gets that. So here's the other component. Establish the noise contours and prohibit incompatible uses. Your Complan says you shall amend your land development code to require noise studies for public use airports, and you've now by policy asked that that also include um Hidden Lake. to establish noise contours and address incompatible

52:20uses as set forth in fourteen CFR Part one fifty Appendix A. So that's what you're about to do and and I didn't know anything came in last night 'cause I've been kinda watching and um I I don't know about the description of I'd like to hear staff say what their description of what came in 'cause they're the ones I think that are monitoring the scope. um of what actually came in last night. But it seemed to me from the emails that I read that the the studies are imminent. Um This is What s six fourteen CFR Part one fifty Appendix A, this

52:51is a federal regulation, um and they've gone through because they are the FAA and tried to go through and and give recommendations on what's a compatible, what's presumed to be compatible and pr presumed to be incompatible. And so what's highlighted there is the 65 DNL And that what that shows you is that it's presumed within the 65 DNL, above 65 that that's where residential is incompatible.

53:18I just want to show you briefly, if you'll let me give a little more time here, I can show you some more things I think will be helpful to your understanding. For Zephyrhills, when I attend the Airport Zoning Commission hearings, they don't know they have noise contours, which kind of makes you wonder where some of this information is coming from and when where some of this decision making is coming from as far as what's being recommended to you. But Zephyrhills does have noise contours. These are their noise contours.

53:45This blue line here Is the sixty five DNL? And they have it both with in this study they were studying their expansion plans. They have their pro current and also proposed. And these are what they're and you can see that those are That sixty five DNO line. where residential and educational use is inconsistent is on their property. That's the um The three minutes. No, it's five of five minutes. I'll keep if you give me that time, I'll keep keep going. So I want you to see some of

54:15these things that that that have been put together. When you look at Zephyrhills, what this shows you is what the actual 65 DNL line is based on the actual noise contours that were done for Zephyrhills. versus the proposed the moratorium area that's being proposed to you. These big lines over here, which are generally about a half mile around these airports, um are where the moratorium is being proposed. This is the actual 65 DNL line. where residential land uses are presumed to be incompatible.

54:48This one you don't need to wait for anything. This noise contour has already been done. But Zephyrhills doesn't know it. At least from the representative that's at zoning commission hearings. This is the noise contour for St. Pete Clearwater International Airport. That green line is their noise contour. Um

55:07Here and I'm I know Doug Saunders is here from CNS and he he put these together so he's gonna speak to you and and answer any of your questions about these. But again comparing the area that's being proposed to you W versus the assumption of if you used the noise contour from St. Pete's Clearwater Airport. which has ten thousand flights a day. And verses And that's Hidden Lake versus Hidden Lake that has twenty seven

55:38Aren't those different

55:39annual annual at i where this this line is created for Where the purple line is, is St. Pete Clearwater. They have There are 361 flights a day and including Coast Guard C-130s. If you use their noise contours in relationship to because you don't have your own yet, which you'll have soon, but if you use a very m a larger noise contour based upon a very busy airport with very noisy aircraft, if you use their noise contour, That's the right-of-way. Purple line,

56:10but you're being asked to do a moratorium all the way out here. So I'm showing you how important those noise studies are are for you making your decisions and treating property owners fairly. and not bringing in properties that shouldn't be brought in that aren't subject to noise generation at the level where Um the federal FAA is saying that uh that noise is incompatible with residential.

56:34Same thing for pilot country, you can see if we use The purple is if you use the flights that go on and the noise contours that's created at Tampa excuse me at St. Pete Clearwater and then what's being proposed out here.

56:51The statute, this is the statute, and this is where that half a mile, excuse me, half a distance of runway all the way around comes from. If you look at C, it talks about where there hasn't been a noise study. And then it talks about where it has been a noise study on C and where there hasn't been a noise study on D. So you have noise studies underway, so you should be following C, which is to follow the noise study, and then follow the 14th CFR Part 150 Appendix A, which I showed you, to determine what's incompatible within those noise studies. contours

57:22as a result of the noise study. What's also interesting if you read this the statutory provision is that it doesn't just apply to any airports, this noise and these noise studies. It actually applies to airport authorities and governing bodies operating public use airports. But that being said, the county has decided to treat all of the airports the same whether they're operated and owned and operated by Zephyrhills and municipal government or they're privately owned, the

57:52county has said we're gonna do noise studies and we're gonna treat them the same even if they're public private or or private private. But the statute actually only requires incompatibility and noise contours for uh a or air airport or an authority runs it or the government runs it.

58:12This is your your consultant. And I basically just put in here the solution is, I think, and it was discussed is to just use those no noise contours for your your noise abatement areas um 'cause you can see uh the the difference between where these large areas are that are just arbitrary under the statute where you don't have a noise study and what the noise study is. I'll let Doug Saunders come up whenever he he wants to speak to you. Um about these slides here because they they're

58:42actually created by him. And I did hear Eliz Elizabeth Blair talk about the ordinance and say, okay, well I've got in there that once complete Once these noise abatement areas or these noise abatement areas may be may be modified, should the county consultant's study be completed during the time the moratorium. And and are and are adopted, that leaves a lot of mays and shoulds and Rs and what I'd ask to be fair to all property owners is that you actually get your noise studies, these contours, um,

59:13and then use those for and for this type of regulation. So thank you. Thank you for your time and your indulgence. Can

59:22I ask her a question? So I I've flipped in flown into the Saint Pete Clearwater airport. Um Believe June Airlines got a full-size plane.

59:32No.

59:33And there's probably a bigger plan that goes into Zephyrhills or anywhere else. The results of the noise abatement study coming up, do you expect them to mirror The same requirements coming?

59:43The best person to ask is is Doug Saunders, because this is his area of expertise. I would just be parroting what I learned from him. So Please ask him and he'll be much more enlightening than me. But that's some of the basics.

1:00:03Okay, uh so we have some people signed up and maybe there's more people that want

1:00:07to speak, but we'll start with our list. Okay, the first three signed up. I have Paul Prince. Followed by C. Michael Hoover and followed by Rick Warner. Mr. Prince, please uh state your name and address for the record and then begin. Hello,

1:00:20my name is Paul Prince. My address is [address removed]. I'm here to speak in support of your moratorium. And the zoning protection around airports. Um I don't think that you should approach this so much from a noise abatement as you should a safety issue. Um When we take off from pilot country on runway three six due north, We have what we call a left hand pattern there. Which

1:00:51means you turn to the west. as you come out of the out of the uh as come out from your takeoff. Now if you lose power at five or six hundred feet out there and you're over forty one, you might not make it back to the airport. You're gonna go down on forty one. or in Talavera or in that new development that you just approved to the west of us. And that's that's the safety aspect of it. As far as noise goes, my son bought a house in Talavera. We

1:01:22oppose that development. Four or five years ago, whenever it was going through. And they promised us that they would give letters to the people that were buying the homes in there. My son never got a letter. He knew Pilot Country was there. But I'm here to tell you the people that are buying in there probably don't know there's an airport there. And they're buying houses so fast that they're not they're not even in there looking. My son sold his house since he bought. And uh He had three offers before the

1:01:53sign went in the yard. People didn't even come look at the house. They're doing it online. Nobody's nobody's warning them that there's an airport or the safety issue involved. And uh I think although we do get complaints about the noise uh from the Talavera residents I think you should look at it more from a safety standpoint of residentials and it maybe an airplane going down, God forbid.

1:02:18Subdivisions. Uh, would be much better off with maybe a commercial building there with a stronger roof. Thank you for your time.

1:02:29Mr. Hoover, Michael Hoover?

1:02:40My name is Michael Hoover. I also live in Pilot Country, [address removed]. Uh with all due respect to Miss Wilheit, she's probably very good at three card Moddy. She's managed to uh obfuscate the issue by pointing at a runway noise contour and stating to you that that is what is necessary and applicable. She doesn't

1:03:11Mention what's called The pattern of a general aviation airport. When an aircraft takes off a commercial aircraft takes off from Saint Petersburg Clearwater. They're generally not jubilee, they are. by FAA mandate on what's called an instrument flight departure. And they exit the area straight ahead, climbing to altitude as quickly as they can. their noise signature. does not impinge on

1:03:41areas to the sides of the runway. And as she showed in her FAA states. uh noise contours, D PN L noise contours, that they are very close to the runway and to the runway protection zone. What you're required to do Um uh under 333-03 is to adopt airport regulations. And under 333-25.6,

1:04:14the any zoning shall consider the safety of persons on the ground and in the air. When general aviation aircraft, which includes charter airlines or charter aircraft, Um Uh Medivac. uh police helicopters, etcetera. When they depart They as Paul Prince stated Make a departure. to the left or the right depending on that

1:04:44particular airport and in pilot country it's to uh a l we use what's called a left hand pattern. And they then make a left turn and then again a left turn. So they're over the areas that are close to One half the runway distance. from the runway itself. If we depart to the south, same thing. we would impact areas to the east of pilot country. So the noise impact is

1:05:15indeed an issue, but it's not just the runway. Further, the safety, which Paul brought up, is an issue. If an aircraft loses an engine, it's not going to be straight ahead. It's going to be after its turn and impact areas that may end up with residential if this moratorium is not approved. Thank you for your time.

1:05:41All right. Um Rick Warner followed by Mark Budd, followed by John Voda.

1:05:48Thank you. Uh ladies and gentlemen of the board, Madam Chair. Uh we were here last night if you remember over on uh Newport Ritchie. And uh I'm a pilot. My name's Rick Warner. I live at the [address removed]. I'm also a former air traffic controller. And as I informed the board last time, you're creating what's called the kill zone. The hardest thing for a pilot to do is going from transitioning from a ground aircraft on the runway to transitioning to an aircraft to actually flying vehicle. Not only

1:06:18we've asked you you would please not approve the uh proposal on the Campbell property because you're putting life-threatening situations with a high density. We're not in favor, or I mean we're not against development. such as uh RV storage or U storage, things of that nature. I would personally like to invite every one of the board members to come out and watch some of the aviation activity that's out there. Paul Prince, who got up here ahead of time, is a student pilot and frankly

1:06:49it'll scare the hell out of you if you saw him take off and land. So I would recommend that you come out and actually see some of the operations. And uh and and I think it'd give you a different perspective to see what is going on. He was a hundred percent correct as uh standard pattern is to the left of the takeoff pattern that we're talking about put you right over the top. of this proposed uh townhouses. Not to mention, you were mentioning before about uh them flying over the top of your house. Nowadays you got kids with drones. Can you imagine a 12-year-old

1:07:19out there on the end of the runway playing with a drone or shining a laser light in somebody's eyes? So we asked respectfully that you do implement the moratorium. and that you actually do not approve that Campbell property development as it is. Thank you.

1:07:39Mark Budd, thank you.

1:07:42Okay. My name's uh Mark Budd. I live at uh Pilot Country Estates as well, [address removed].

1:07:51Can you speak into the microphone so we can hear you?

1:07:53Yeah, it's Mark Budd. I live at Pilot Country as well. And it's uh [address removed].

1:08:05Uh that airport is Clearwater exact, by the way. I was there many years as well. Okay, um Pasco County has been in violation of that Florida statute 333 for years and continues to delay compliance to allow incompatible land use to the detriment of the airport. and surrounding community development. impacting the safety and well-being of the citizens and the airport operations. Compliance was

1:08:35supposed to be done in July of 2017. It seems that other special interests have influenced the county affecting these continued delays to pursue their own interests, contrary to the Florida statute, which promotes protection of the county airport assets and the surrounding communities. It's important to to say it's not only the airport that you're protecting, you're protecting the people that are gonna be in these new developments as well. There will be. Their safety.

1:09:07So I believe the moratorium on new development should be in place until the county meets its obligations with respect to the statutes 330 and 333. Recent proposed residential developments in close proximity to the airport would be considered incompatible land use by both the FAA DOT, FDOT, and FAA guidelines with respect to zoning around the airports. And which I believe you're probably already aware of that. I myself fly

1:09:38Uh A number of different aircraft. My son as well flies we both fly uh competition aerobatics. Those airplanes are very loud. And I guarantee you when we take off It's not just the sixty D B, it's more like a hundred and five, hundred and ten D B. And when we do a pattern like the the uh previous speakers were talking about Anytime we fly over the uh those houses, it's about 100 DB. And this

1:10:08noise study I believe is supposed to have an average uh D B over time, over twenty-four hours. And uh that average I believe is supposed to be a logarithm logarithmic average. And even though sometimes these noise studies, when they're done, they may be done during a period of uh less activity, especially for us, my son and myself. And when when we practice aerobatics, which is probably a little bit more extreme and

1:10:39and uh And you're talking

1:10:41about safety?

1:10:42Well it's safety but we're we're out over the well fields, but it's in and in and out of the airport that we that we fly. That's the problem for everybody else. And every time we take off We're always thinking about, okay, if we had an engine failure, we had a problem, where are we going to go? And with the recent developments down to the uh south west and north west that are being proposed, they're right next to the Um end of the runway on the sides, they're about

1:11:12probably a couple hundred feet off the sides. But they really don't leave you much room to uh to go anywhere in case of an emergency.

1:11:23Okay, so I think that was the end of your time. Okay. But thank you. All right. Who do we have next? Jonathan. Is that John?

1:11:32Yes. Yes. John.

1:11:35Yeah.

1:11:38Yes, my name is John Voda. I'm with uh Hidden Lake, uh [address removed], and I have been sworn in. The uh issue here with the airport is that we were supposed to have a commission that gets together, but that never happened. The um the noise issues that was all brought up. I welcome all of you. All of you and I couldn't even compile it. to come to our young eagle flight Saturday

1:12:09morning. And if you don't think some noise is gonna be generated over those new construction buildings You're kidding yourself. I mean that noise cone is a it's ridiculous. The um Runway protection when you build four story buildings right in the downwind path of your runway. Huh? Uh it's ridiculous. You guys oughta put the moratorium back, especially on the tanglewood.

1:12:40The um Hidden Lake is also planning on extending their runway if we can get the land available to the north. That will increase that dome that supposedly is out there. It's not big enough. We got a mile long runway right now. and that dome is inside Hidden Lake and it's just touching those new

1:13:10apartment buildings. So that that dome is a is a joke. And you should put the moratorium back on these apartment complexes.

1:13:23Uh what else we got? Population density. Come on, folks. Putting three hundred people in a in a building, along with these people with the neighborhood right next to a runway, forget it. You're asking for trouble. Clearwater did make them shut down their airport because of all the complaints. And you're looking for more complaints with this one and Hidden Lake. Thank you.

1:13:52Thank you.

1:13:55Are there um other

1:13:56people who'd like to speak? Please uh line up?

1:14:02Is there anyone else after this gentleman? Please line up.

1:14:09Jeremy Couch, 1793, Hunting Bow Circle Lutz 33558. I represent the developer of the Ridge Road and Tanglewood Apartment Complex. Um In general, moratoriums are very serious things because of the potential effects it can have on others. Um when I read The exemption and the ordinance um that's proposed. Um I do have concern with the language. It

1:14:41says that um does not depict buildings within the noise abatement area. We have um a gazebo that we promised in our park and that is a building so I'd like to add the language habitable buildings. if possible, does not depict habitable buildings within the noise abatement area. Um also our consultant's gonna speak. You know, when when you look at the area of the moratorium Um it should be much closer to the airport than it is right now. in general. Um

1:15:12it affects the college significantly. And I don't know how long this will take, but... I just would like to not see those kind of unintended consequences. Thank you.

1:15:23Thank you.

1:15:26Next. Is there anyone else after this gentleman?

1:15:34How are you doing? Doug Saunders, uh CNS Companies eleven eighteen O Day Drive, uh Winter Springs, Florida. Oh yeah. Uh just a couple things too regarding the Roman detection zones, that's really the ideal when they're talking about the uh safety factor. I'm in aviation businesses. Um all I care about is safety, and that's really why the rumor detection zones are there. So they're the trappers right at the end of the runway. And also regarding uh the flight path, they are correct about the IFR, VFR. So this airport follow does follow VFR criteria, which is really by

1:16:04pilot's choice for the area. And when they're doing the left-hand turn, their final base will not be over this property because it's exactly to the west of the end of the runway. So when they're landing or taking off, they will not be over this property. They'll be within the transitional surface for the FAA. So it should not be a concern. Uh regarding the noise There is no microphones in the field for this type of study. Who Pasco County hired was HMH, very legit firm. They follow a system called FAA AEDT.

1:16:35It's a system that really it's by calculations a type of aircraft. There really is no study in the field. So it's really doesn't matter what flies in or out that day. It's really based on a calculation for a a yearly, yearly average. Uh what you see up here too is uh so this is Orlando International Airport and that's just that the line you see up there is within a half mile. Um if I would say half the runway length for an airport like this, it'd be three times bigger than that, that shape outside of that. So there's already homes and apartments and hotels within a

1:17:05large airport like Orlando National.

1:17:12Here's Tampa International. Same thing, this line is the runways were um I guess in Orlando International has 366,000 operations a year. Tampa has about 150, 170,000 operations a year, a little more than 10,000 that currently these other airports in the area have. Um so also you can see here at Tampa International you have residential homes, apartments within a half mile. Again, it'd be two to three times larger than that if you followed your noise abatement rule. And

1:17:43here's St. Pete Clearwater, same thing. There's homes divisions within within those areas. Yeah, I really want to say really guarding safety. I mean, also these properties, both both properties have submitted to the FAA 7460 notice of construction. Both of them have received determination of no hazard to air navigation. The FAA has reviewed these.

1:18:07criteria and that's what F DOT follows. So really there's no uh there's no challenges with the F DOT. It's been approved for these type of facilities. The height is fine. You're in the transitional the side surface. So there is no no challenges with these airports. With that, thank you very much.

1:18:23Did you did your question get answered well enough that you don't need to ask him?

1:18:27I'm good.

1:18:28Okay.

1:18:33Thank you. Again, Jennifer Motzinger representing the Tampa Bay Builders Association. The only thing that I wanted to point out is the word moratorium. That gives me uh a lot of concern just because of the nature of it. Uh it sounds to me like this is something that's been going on since 2016 and you have studies that are coming forward and you're gonna be able to make some good policy decisions. However, you don't have to pull the trigger on a moratorium. And we all know what happens because I've talked to you about it before. It affects

1:19:04banks, it affects lending, it affects lots of things. And believe me, I get calls all the time about moratoriums. So just that word alone is typically reserved for an emergency situation and that's clearly not what is going on here. So I appreciate all of the different perspectives and I do appreciate your consideration. Thank you. Thank you.

1:19:27So anyone else? Is anyone online? No one's on WiBEX. Okay. Um back to us then. Um questions? Uh board members, do we have any more questions?

1:19:43So um,

1:19:46You

1:19:46know,

1:19:47I I I wanna say I I think I've told uh the pilots here. I have pilots in my family. Um my ex husband actually was a pilot. I didn't mention that last time. He used to um for fun, not in love. He's a baseball player. But he used to pick up my kids at the airport In Odessa. That's no longer there. And uh on his way to FSU football games and He'd touch down, they'd get in the plane and off they'd go. Um and then I have um a brother in

1:20:17law and a son in law, both graduates of the Air Force Academy, that um Our um pilots. One one was a commander, a squadron commander of refuelers, and my son in law, who's now deployed in Germany, is a commander of uh s uh uh air fueling refueling squadron. So I have pilots in the family. And I um And I love the idea that you guys can have Uh Liv and support what

1:20:47maybe for most of you are a wonderful hobby or sport. Maybe some of you commute by airplane to work. I have had friends who've done that in the past. But I think you need to be really careful when you start imposing restrictions on property owners That are not Um you know, that are near you near you. That in my mind that starts to become a taking. And so I w while I get where we need to have some safety concerns and make sure

1:21:18that you can land that you guys can land and take off property. For me, that's about where um your property rights stop and others start kicking in. So so we have to be very careful. We we go through lawsuits all the time. We have one going on right now. So um Um I am curious, Terry, um can you tell us what came in as far as the noise abatement? Study or points or or whatever that was in Um

1:21:51And what your thoughts are is coming from the planning department to fix you know, obviously we need to do something. We were supposed to do something a while ago. Does it amount to a moratorium? I don't know.

1:22:02Good afternoon Madam Chair. Um Well what we received from HMMH was the um was a t it's a technical memorandum. regarding the noise model inputs. This information is what's going to be used to ultimately generate the contours. It's basically following the flight paths, what's actually happening around the airports, what's taking off, what's coming down. um the types of airplanes, single engine versus double engine. Um

1:22:34The rates of

1:22:35the

1:22:37How many times they're landing in one direction versus another. All that information are the it model inputs. Once those are verified and confirmed, which I believe they've been shared with the airports uh as already. Once those are confirmed, um they'll be able to take those inputs, enter them into the models that um Mr. Saunders referred to and then generate the contour lines based on those movements that are being and that's all from I believe it's all from uh I'm not exactly

1:23:07familiar with all the terminology. I think it's called flight aware. That's um data that the aircraft are transmitting as they're coming and going to these airports.

1:23:18All right, so um do you guys have any questions for Terry? Yes. Yeah.

1:23:22Thank you, Madam Chair.

1:23:27I want you guys to take one more stab at this. Here's what I s here's my suggestion, and obviously let the board weigh in on it. Is I know there's made some attempts to get everybody together, but just doesn't seem to be happening. Different schedules I understand make it difficult at times. But I would love to see planning. I'd love to see the County Attorney's Office. I love to see um members from the um airport committee or board. I forgot what we call it now, but um I'll say is it a committee

1:23:57or board. Commission. Commissioner Oakley. the commission and then we had some people, um other stakeholders that were involved as well back there. Why don't you guys really work hard? to get your schedules together and to have everybody in the same room See if we can come to some happy meeting and I say that because you heard some of the issues that I have, you heard some of the concerns other commissioners have as well. There may be a bit a way to work this. Obviously, you know, safety first, that's what we're talking about. That's

1:24:28what I would like to see. If it c if it doesn't happen, it's gonna be up to us, right? That's what it comes down to. But I would love to see you guys try to get everybody in that room one more time. When I mean everybody, everybody, county attorneys, planning, Again, commission and then the stakeholders that uh presented earlier.

1:24:49So the commission is a sunshine law body. You can't. Okay,

1:24:52uh

1:24:53about the

1:24:53chair of the commission?

1:24:54Or their designee. David if the board wishes to Send this back to the commission, they could hold a hearing, but they already have.

1:25:03Right.

1:25:04And they've approved what's in front of them.

1:25:06So what what I again from my understanding from from my understanding is that um there were some meetings that were trying to get everybody together recently and not everybody was able to all be in the room together. Am I am I incorrect?

1:25:21Yeah, th they're I'm hearing yes and no here. There there have been meetings that have been held.

1:25:27Pardon me, I can't hear you. There have been meetings. Can we turn the mic up a little bit because it's been really low today? I think I see.

1:25:34Not and out there it's kinda been low in the back.

1:25:40Th there have been meetings, uh numerous m different meetings. Um Many uh th some have had all the players at the table, um many have not had all the players at the table.

1:25:50Well they need to all be at the table.

1:25:53So go. So Why don't we get everybody in there together? Again, not to violate sunshine like Mr. Steinsteiner mentioned.

1:26:03Can't come to a good conclusion? Comes back to us and uh and uh we'll we'll uh make that decision because the the next public hearing is scheduled already. 'Cause right now, how it sits now and how it looks, I would my my suggestion would be just to be honest with you, no moratorium work on it.

1:26:27But I'm giving the opportunity for everybody to get back together, and again, this is just one commissioner talking, see if we can come to a happy meeting in here. Again, look out for safety, safety being first. without um jeopardizing property owners that have already been given permission to do something. Again, there's things I voted against. That's right. We're talking about. I actually voted against it. But at the same time, I lost the vote. This the rest of the commission voted for it.

1:26:57We voted right.

1:26:58And you can't now not at all. But you you can't but you can't well but at the same time that's what that was the end result and now we can't go back in my opinion and take something rights away from somebody that was offered by the commission.

1:27:11Okay.

1:27:16You were the one of the biggest advocates for that apartment complex to be built. So I guess I'm trying to figure out what you're doing in that area because I'm kind of confused.

1:27:24Commissioner Fitzpatrick,

1:27:25thank you. Due to the safety and the fact that the APZ was supposed to be implemented in 2017. Also due to the fact when there was a conflict arising, my resolution to that conflict to protect the airports was to move forward with the APZ. At this point, I would like to see the moratorium The motion to approve With the moratorium.

1:27:51Okay. So this is the this is the first public hearing. So you would end i if you want to move forward with what's on the table now, you would end it the you conclude the first public hearing. And you would continue the final public hearing to May 17th, 2022, or at 130 or soon thereafter.

1:28:13I would like to conclude the first public hearing and move to continue the final public hearing to May 17th. With that being said, I would also like to move forward with adding habitable buildings on page four, paragraph four. Yeah. on page three, section five A, which would implement when the noise study comes in, it would be implemented and updated from the original area. And then then we can focus and finalize

1:28:43the moratorium. for on May seventeenth so we can focus on the APZ. As soon as we finalize the APZ, the moratorium will be over. And the quickest way to finalize the APZ is to get the noise study and to move forward. Thank you.

1:29:01I'll second the motion. Well.

1:29:08We're moving to the final hearing on May seventeenth.

1:29:11There's not a m no you don't need a motion.

1:29:14So so the so the first and second public hearing caught up to one another because the board had continued this. So you've got both hearings advertised for today. So you you need to continue the final public hearing which which can't occur because you had to have the first hearing to the seventeenth to take final action. Or to some other date.

1:29:41So is the motion just to continue to the next hearing? No,

1:29:44she's well

1:29:45she's

1:29:45approving the more the first reading of the Mort 2. That was her motion, right? Approving the moratorium. That's two

1:29:52separate motions, I think.

1:29:55It's concluding today's hearing on the moratorium and then continuing the second hearing, which happened to coincide because of the way things had gotten continued.

1:30:10to the May seventeenth, twenty twenty. What she what what I think the commissioner is trying to do is saying that she wants the public comment that that occurred when in several of those sections, she wants incorporated into this into the ordinance when it comes back on the seventeenth, um the the issue on habitable s hab.

1:30:36Habitable buildings page four, paragraph four, and then May to Shao Remagnified on page three, section five A. So it not might, but it will

1:30:48be implemented when the noise study comes in.

1:30:51Madam Chair? Yes. So what that'll do is what you want it to do, it gives it the stakeholders a chance two weeks to get together before the next meeting.

1:31:00Madam Clerk. Do we have do I I I just need some type of agreement though that that's gonna happen, so

1:31:08Maybe we want to make the second reading a little further out. No. No? Perfectly.

1:31:14I would like to see this get fine.

1:31:17Can I continue with my comment? Yeah, we just thank you. Madam Chairman Mariano. I need to s I need people to come to an agreement. Do I have I mean, somehow I have a county attorney's agreement, do I have plaintiff's agreement? Do I have somebody from the commission's agreement? Do I have um whoever's in charge of the stakeholders which I uh there you and I think well Barbara, you know, I think we okay. I mean, do I have do I see heads nodding? Or can I have everybody raise their hand? That's in agreement? County Attorney's Office?

1:31:46And if it if invited, we'll advance it.

1:31:49Okay. Okay. Okay. Terry? Yes. So I got thumbs up from everybody.

1:31:57Could we also meet at the airport commission meeting so then there's no sunshine violations?

1:32:02The next airport zoning commission meeting is not scheduled until June twentieth. That's part of the hesitancy. Um now to have their chairperson come, yes, that would be great. Um so I would have to check with him. He's not present today. Madam

1:32:17Chairman

1:32:17if the chair can't come, can we have a designer?

1:32:19Yes, of course. Okay.

1:32:22Okay.

1:32:23Thank you. And just to reiterate, there is A representative from Hidden Lake Airport that is on the airport commission?

1:32:31Yes there is.

1:32:32Thank you, I thought so. And then the goal would be to finalize and move forward with the moratorium just so we can move forward and put all of our focus onto the APZ.

1:32:42Correct.

1:32:43Thank you.

1:32:45And then we have one final question for some direction. When I spoke about limiting the moratorium area, um the uses in the moratorium area just to the residential and educational facilities. I did not get any feedback on that matter. Well yeah, we

1:32:59we okay with that continuing with the commercial. But I have a question for you. How long is it gonna take for you to make the ordinance? I mean, Well

1:33:08now that the Sun

1:33:08study's back soon that the planning department. Terry, the the How long will it take to for you to craft this ordinance? Because I I'm not a hundred percent sure I'm in favor of moratorium. I just have questions before. I just think these are quick fixes that

1:33:25Yeah.

1:33:28Well

1:33:28um I I actually have uh a draft started that was set aside.

1:33:33But he just said it's the planning department's role to do the l the more tor the ordinance. Okay.

1:33:41So we have a we have a draft, but it's but the but the technical

1:33:49um language that what what the regulations will be is a planning department function. That was the comment I made.

1:33:56Okay, so how long For you guys so you guys need to take the lead then tell you then tell the attorneys what we want written, right? If it's a land planning document. So what? What does that look like?

1:34:12Well I mean if the if the second hearing is May seventeenth it's it's gonna have to happen in the next uh

1:34:18No for the ordinance, not the moratorium.

1:34:20Yeah, I'm not gonna put you on that spot. Yeah, the the goal uh the goal has been to complete the regulations this summer. So July was the initial target uh to finish the reg the actual regulations. Um

1:34:35Mm-hmm.

1:34:36I would have to, you know, to I don't know, conservative estimate a little bit here. The comprehensive plan gives us to the end of twenty twenty two, so we're gonna finish it this calendar year.

1:34:47That was the plan.

1:34:48Yeah. Um so I would maybe push it out to September. To cover the the ground that may have been

1:34:57more to the process than was the typical an ordinance adoption because it does have to go to the airport zoning commission for a public hearing there. And then the planning commission. And then the planning commission, then you all twice.

1:35:08And

1:35:09then we're going to do that.

1:35:11Um so we have a motion. Thank you.

1:35:13Madam Chair.

1:35:14Yes.

1:35:15Elizabeth. You who had said can this be drafted and brought to the airport zoning uh the airport commission to be reviewed so it can come back to be finalizing the APZ?

1:35:26Okay, the moratorium or the ordinance?

1:35:29The ordinance.

1:35:30Oh yes, that has to go to them for a public hearing. Not the moratorium ordinance, it's already been there, but they have to actually have a public hearing and do a report to this board about their recommendation for the final airport zoning regulation.

1:35:42And do you think we can bring the A P Z to the airport commission by then meeting in June?

1:35:51I'm not quite sure who the working group is for that effort. I think there's dialogue that has to be had here most definitely because there's partial drafts and then there's different ideas as to what should be in the final product from what I'm understanding. So I'm I can't promise any time frame on that. I'm not in charge of that or in control of it.

1:36:08Okay, but now that we have the sound study, is there anything additional documentations that we're waiting on to finalize the APZ? So it should be done within the next ninety days?

1:36:17I don't think there's additional stuff that we're waiting on from our airports or the stud or or the consultant, no.

1:36:23Okay, thank you. Okay.

1:36:27All right, so we have a motion and a second um to move on to the final reading in two weeks with the understanding that there'll be a meeting in between.

1:36:39Yeah, Madam Chair, if that meeting's not held, I'm gonna ask for it be continued again. Agreed. So

1:36:46So you need to call for the vote. It's not a good thing.

1:36:51I'm waiting waiting for Mr. Oakley to get back. Okay, so all in favor? Aye. Opposed?

1:36:57Aye.

1:36:59Opposed?

1:37:01Who said aye? Who said aye?

1:37:03Aye for opposed.

1:37:04No, I for I for opposed. I'm for

1:37:05passing.

1:37:06Okay. For moving

1:37:06forward. Okay, so we'll move forward conditionally. Conditionally. Okay, um we're gonna pull up Oh yeah. Um could I please get a motion to receive this in the

1:37:17motion to receive and file. Second.

1:37:19All in favor? Aye. Opposed? All right. We are going to move up to the CPV, whatever number that is.