Zoning Amendment (Regular) – Deer Springs MPUD Master Planned Unit Development – Deer Springs, LLC – A Rezoning Request from A-C Agricultural and A-R Agricultural-Residential Zoning Districts to an MPUD Master Planned Unit Development District to Allow for the Development of a Maximum of 115 Residential Dwelling Units or 100 Residential Dwelling Units and Up to Five (5) Acres of Office Uses on Approximately 38.29 Acres

2:37:23Okay. Thank you. Moving to item P109, do we have proof?

2:37:28Yes, Mr. Chairman P109 was published in the Tampay Times on October 19, 2022.

2:37:34Okay.

2:37:39Good afternoon everybody. Tammy Snyder, Planning and Development.

2:37:54We have today Deer Springs M P U D, P D twenty three seventy six twelve.

2:38:00Here's her location map.

2:38:05There's a blow-up. You can see the State Road 56 extension. Gaul Boulevard is along the uh west there. Cobblestone MPUD is approved. It is abutting this project to the north. Paul S. Buckman Highway and the city of Zephyrhills are over on the east.

2:38:22And at the Planning Commission there was a question brought up regarding the location of the um SR fifty-six extension. And the first um SNP you have there shows the

2:38:39This is the S R fifty six and then the extension was proposed to go In this alignment. It has since been revised. And there are three potential alignments. none of which are currently taking it through the subject site anymore. Here's a subject site. And we have Extension going up and down and across, but none of them are taking it through this side anymore.

2:39:07Rezoning request from AC Agricultural and AR Agricultural Residential Zoning Districts to an MPUD Master Planned Unit Development District to allow for the development of either a maximum of 115 residential detached dwelling units or a maximum of 100 residential detached dwelling units and up to five acres of office uses. Total site area is approximately 30. eight point two nine acres. The applicant is also seeking the following variations from the code.

2:39:37Section 901.1H, special design requirements for subdivision collectors, which require public type 1A and type 1B roadways. The applicant wants the internal roadways to be private. Section 901.6.d.11 street access to adjoining property requires interconnects between projects. There's currently an east-west right-of-way bisecting the project, which was the former State Road 56 extension. They're going to be keeping that and they're actually adding

2:40:07some additional right-of-way to it. Um there's no potential connection to the north. There are platted knot lots to the north, east, and southwest, and a rural dirt road to the south, which may possibly have an emergency only connection. The PDD has reviewed the request of variations and is amenable to allowing both for the reasons stated and as further detailed in your agenda memo. Here's the master plan. You'll see I added a north arrow because north is actually to the left.

2:40:40The subject site is in the East Market area and is being used for agricultural pursuits. No increase in density from the existing Res III future land use is proposed. Any office uses may not occupy more than five acres of the MPUD and must be consistent with the RES 3 floor area ratio of 0.27 for the actual acreage committed for office uses. The Planning Commission heard the item at the November 3, 2022 hearing and unanimously voted to recommend approval with conditions with the provision

2:41:10that the residential design standards were revised to mirror the standards approved in the cobblestone MPUD, which I mentioned is approved to the north. LDC section 402.2.C.8 specifies that variations from the code may be reviewed and approved by the PC and BCC during the public hearing held on any MPUD zoning amendment and the BCC finds it meets or exceeds the intent of the code. The PDD has reviewed the request variations and can find that they meet the intent. The

2:41:40proposed request is consistent with the Pasco County LDC, Chapter 400, Subsection 402.2 zoning amendment and PUD master plan unit development, and with the applicable provisions of the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan. And with that, P D D and the PC recommend approval with conditions. And um just to note, the applicant did agree to revising their um design standards for the residential portion to match cobblestone.

2:42:10Questions? Yeah.

2:42:13Um and this kind of goes back to the last board meeting when I was trying to understand the connectivity and it's not really apparent. Here, what the big road picture grid is. So and I'm kind of a little confused on what you were saying because Uh, you're saying it's not connecting to anything around it? Is that what I heard you say?

2:42:36No, actually what we have is um Crystal Springs.

2:42:42Runs north and south along it right here, runs up next to Cobblestone M P U D as well. Where's the cobblestone? So

2:42:49that

2:42:50cobblestone

2:42:50is this up here. Okay, and how many homes are in there? there? Um

2:42:56Yeah, a bunch. A few hundred. And where are their where are their ins and outs, if you don't mind showing me? Um they

2:43:04have some on three oh one.

2:43:06Oops.

2:43:09On three oh one and crystal

2:43:11springs.

2:43:12I'm

2:43:12trying to see it on your map. It's not able to do that.

2:43:20I guess my question is, why aren't these connected why why is there not connectivity to the neighborhoods around it? There there is. Okay, where?

2:43:31See here. There we go. Okay. They will be connecting to Crystal Springs up here in the northern part. This the road that runs through the middle that used to be S R fifty six, when something connects to it, there will be connectivity there as well. So are you saying where that um where that right-of-way or easement is that's gonna be a road? There they're eventually that that will be a a roadway. Okay.

2:43:59Okay,

2:43:59and can cobblestone access that

2:44:00road? Anyone in cobblestone? They cannot connect they they can through Crystal Springs. If if they exit cobblestone go down to Crystal go Crystal Springs South. There's nowhere for this project to connect to Cobblestone directly because cobblestone is platted. It has platted residential lots and a great big stormwater pond abutting their southern boundary. So there's nowhere for this project to connect directly north to Cobblestone.

2:44:27Um j so just to say what I I said last time and I I'm gonna bang it gong here. I d I just think we should be connecting. If we don't have a grid You're gonna be Bottlenecking up.

2:44:38Unfortunately that was lost with the cobblestone approval.

2:44:41Yeah. So uh just we need to be sure that going forward everybody's connecting. And um you see you see what's happening on a lot of the roads around the county and if people have more opportunity To get on a road, uh instead of everyone having to get on the same road to get to the ne next neighbor to the neighborhood or neighbor. We're a lot better off. So I just want to be sure there's multiple that we're not doing cul-de-sacs and there's stub out connections

2:45:11to the east To the west. 'Cause that'll all be coming in

2:45:15at one time. That right of way it runs right through the middle of it where S R fifty six was going to be. So east and west. If this guy over here that owns this property develops as something other than what he has now, he will be required to connect to that roadway.

2:45:32So every everyone uh has to get out on the collector arterial, they can't go through any other way to the neighbor to the property due to the existing

2:45:41constraints.

2:45:42What's the constraint to the west of those green boxes?

2:45:47There there is no constraint. That's why they have they're they're keeping that existing right of way.

2:45:52But that is that gonna be a collector arterial, that road going through, one of those two roads? No. No?

2:45:58Well it

2:45:59Pitch

2:46:00six. may possibly eventually if if it's developed as such, if the parcels around it But these are all residential

2:46:11Well you know that property's gonna come in to the left to be developed. And I'm just saying We gotta stop making these subdivisions where you go in and

2:46:22like I said, when they come in they will have to connect to that that right of way.

2:46:29So

2:46:29that will be the east-west connector. I just think there needs to be a stub out within that green box to the left and in the green box on the bottom, not just to the one road to the that is between them.

2:46:43And

2:46:43it does it doesn't show that here. whoops. And maybe maybe this is too early. I don't know. Is this the right place to ask to make place. This is the right place.

2:46:55If they connect to the property, they don't have to connect right now, but they have to make preparations to connect to the property to the left.

2:47:02Sure. So anyone

2:47:04who wants to go left doesn't have to come on the right-of-way.

2:47:11So maybe around where the this state road fifty six extension is depicted they could put a stub out.

2:47:19I you know, as long as there's one on each block, um Satisfied. Okay. And Maybe to the right. I I don't I don't know the area and I don't know how big those are.

2:47:31So their only option is their their northern piece where they are going to be connecting to Crystal Springs.

2:47:40Mr. Rokley. The extension of Fitch Six, which I hope happens, it will go Right through I guess that's a green line I'm seeing is that's the proposed.

2:47:50That's no longer proposed. That's been realigned.

2:47:52Okay, it's realigned. Yes. But I'm hoping that it's realigned to where it goes through Crystal Springs, on and through Crystal Springs, across Crystal Springs Road. Over to thirty nine and back around toward the airport in Zephyrhills. If it does that, it'll correct a lot of Flooding and drainage problems we have in that area. And I'm been talking to Secretary Gwyn about just that so Uh hopefully they choose that route to go around and it'll make it better

2:48:23for the community out there.

2:48:26Okay, uh what is the variance that you're requesting to not connect?

2:48:32The um the yeah, the variation request um which W because of the crystal springs Running north and south, the platted lots over there, platted lots to the south and the southwest. They were not planning on making any connections to those. Yeah, I don't know. But we could we could have them still there is some space to the west that they could add another connection.

2:49:02So I'm sorry that I don't know. This isn't a good enough map for me to understand where they're asking not to connect. And I'm sorry I'm not following you, but I want to know specifically what you're asking not to connect to.

2:49:17Maybe is the applicant.

2:49:19The North.

2:49:20The North. Cobblestone M P U D They cannot connect to the north because cobblestone is already platted. What's that what's that other piece of property

2:49:29there

2:49:29that's

2:49:29not Developed.

2:49:34Probably to the right. To the north and the right.

2:49:36I think that's where she said the stormwater pond is. If that's next to the up here?

2:49:43Yeah, in the cobblestone MP. Where where you connect where they ask them for variance. Hi Red. In the Cobblestone MPUD where you see the plaited residential lots. Yeah. That empty space oh come on now. The empty space next to it Is there pond? Is there stormwater pond? So this project cannot connect to the residential lots or the stormwater.

2:50:03Yeah, so we shouldn't have let them put the pond there in my opinion.

2:50:07Just um she gave me a butter but I can explain it, it's

2:50:10pretty

2:50:10cheap and

2:50:11the applicant can let's hear from the applicant.

2:50:18Thank you. Shelley Johnson, 6400 Madison Street, and I have been sworn. Just just to try to provide a little clarification because I think there's confusion. So to the north of this property is the existing cobblestone development. There's platted lots where it it butts adjacent to this property, and there's stormwater ponds. So there's no place to connect to that northern development. To the east, we have platted existing residential as well, and then Crystal Springs Road. To the west, we do have a connection. I know Tammy was referring to it as

2:50:48the reserved right-of-way for the what was to be the State Road 56 extension, which is completely in a different area now. It's not anywhere near this property in terms of what FDOT is looking at. But that reservation to the east and the west are the two stub outs. That's an actual stub out. So what will happen, there's a condition in your approval that says that if that western property Commissioner Starkey, if you look at it on the left hand side, the western property to this development, if that development ever comes in. They have to work with our development

2:51:18and our development has and this is in the conditions we have to work with them in order to coordinate so that there's a connection between those two developments. Because right now the way the existing development pattern is around this property, they're the only place to connect to or stub out to is the West. And so that's what that it and it's in the middle of the property in you know, in the middle of the development, but there that stub out is there and it's a reserve. So you will see

2:51:39it on the plan. All right. So um are these residents gonna have access to Springdale Road? I'm sorry, I don't know the area. So there's Springdale

2:51:48Road there? So we don't have any planned access to Springdale. They may add an emergency access, but that's a dirt road right now. We're doing an actual our connection is out to Crystal Springs and then we're gonna approve Crystal Springs Road from the southern boundary of the of this development to the southern boundary of cobblestone, which is north. So we'll link into their improvement that they're doing to that road.

2:52:09So is Springdale um road ever gonna be improved?

2:52:16Does any w is there any kind of road vision for this area of that becoming I don't

2:52:22Yeah, I know it's a dirt road. It's there's some there's fr fairly larger lots on it, it's rural type lots on the right-of-way.

2:52:29Yeah. So I just don't know why

2:52:33this is just this property is just south of uh Chauncey Road there in Zer Pray Hills.

2:52:38I just I just don't like how we're building all these neighborhoods that don't connect to anything. And I think we're gonna get ourselves in trouble. Like that's just where I am with the

2:52:47Outside of that, we're happy with um I mean the Planning Commission did recommend that we match our design standards with cobblestones and so we're and those revisions were made and we're we're fine with that. Um But I'm here to answer any other questions.

2:53:00Your your the stormwater pond uh sorry, Mr. Chairman Mariano. Mr. Waiton, good my apologies for the Mr. No,

2:53:06thank you, sir.

2:53:06Uh the stormwater point Is it? Is it being shared by both

2:53:15No. So cobblestone actually is a developed platted um community aid act, it's an it's an M P D, an older MPD, I think it was amended recently, but um all of their infrastructure in stormwater would have already been designed. So you know this that's all done. Um now what would happen when we get to site engineering, because obviously this site hasn't been engineered, but when we get to site engineering whatever the staff requires in you know Swift Punt as far as stormwater, that's what we'll do now. Whether that's a shared pond, I don't know. I don't know what their approval conditions were. But That will yeah, that's all stuff that definitely when it

2:53:45gets to the engineering stage at site plan will deal with all that. But I'm not aware of it right now, so

2:53:51Okay. And I I can't find it on my map here, sadly. So um but la I was gonna pull up what you keep saying it's matching to cobblestone. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. So Um so I you know we have new restrictions that say um you have to have so many architectural details. If it's an older one, cobblestone may not have those. We do have that requirement in here. Okay, so what what are you matching to cobblestone? I don't know what it

2:54:17is. So what it came down to was a question about the s the front setbacks at the Planning Commission. So we've got is this is just a standard fifty by 110 is our minimum. They'll probably be 50 by 115 ultimately. But the set front setback, it identified in the original conditions that it was a 10-foot front setback. I think from back of sidewalk, it didn't really say that, but so the Planning Commission did a request that we do a revision and do 20-foot and then 25-foot to garage. So we're gonna be 20-foot from back of sidewalk and then

2:54:4725 foot to garage. So it just it increased the front set back.

2:54:51I agree with that a hundred percent. So when you say back a sidewalk, so it's from the Edge of the sidewalk closest to the garage to the garage door is twenty feet.

2:55:00Twenty five so yes, yes, because you'll have five you know how w so you've got you know you how you have your your grass area, you have your sidewalk, then from twenty foot from the back of sidewalk to front of the building, you'll have you'll have your twenty foot and then from that it'll it'll be an additional five foot to get to the garage. So you have twenty-five foot to garage, twenty foot to permit. Are you

2:55:21doing single car garages or

2:55:23double car garages? These are double. They're they're standard fifty by a hundred and ten foot lots, yeah. No forties. That's a decent size. Yeah, no forties.

2:55:31Uh I'm gonna ask questions, Shelley. The limit of Not more than five acres. Of um office space?

2:55:40Yeah.

2:55:41And we how did that come out? Like the staff requested

2:55:45N um I unfortunately I was not part of the original application process on this one, but I think it came in that way. Okay.

2:55:53But um it'll yeah. It'll be i in accordance with the point two seven which is the existing land use, so there's not gonna be any

2:56:01Yeah, I mean I'm just I'm just curious how what what what brought that

2:56:04the land use, the future land use. Comprehensive plan limits and

2:56:11a residential three, res three, uh that's good enough. Any residential land use, a maximum of five acres in that future land use without adjusting the future land use may

2:56:23Okay. Right.

2:56:26Very good. All right. Any other questions?

2:56:29I just in in applications in the future. I just want to see I I'd like more detail on the neighborhood roads and the grid the neighborhood grid that we're establishing. I think it's important.

2:56:40I agree a hundred percent. Yeah. So let's let's um go to public comment. Anyone from the public that's signed up first?

2:56:47We have one um individual who signed up, Ken Muckin Fuse. Is that right?

2:56:53Right.

2:56:56Yes, my name is uh Ken Buckinfoos. Um [address removed] Um Laughing at Ron here now to finally you get one, Ron. The uh I've lived there since nineteen eight.

2:57:14Since we made a big deal out of it, you were so sworn as part of for the wreck. Right.

2:57:19Uh 1988 I moved out there. We help develop Festival Park. All this area. I know who everybody is that lives there.

2:57:33They Doc.

2:57:38They put out on 56. Two of them are still active. Number one. And number um Three B Three B connects to that forty foot right of way. That is in They're drawing.

2:58:00Oh oh well this it go it's the the blue line before the property turns into the L part. The part that's uh goes down to Springdale is a pine forest. It was a plan at time. Oh. Springdale is As they Set it. substand or dirt road and their Definitely right. You know, the

2:58:31matter of fact the count. The county only grades half of it. They stop right where that pine thicket stops. As far as The exit, their only exit is gonna be On uh Crystal Springs Road. which has not seen any any improvement since I've been there. They've only cleaned the ditch one time. There's

2:59:03also The Zephyrhills water From Crystal Springs. It's

2:59:11uh goes down the west side. and the new county waterline goes down the east side of the road. So you're not gonna expand Crystal Springs Road.

2:59:24Can I ask you a question?

2:59:25Yes.

2:59:26Is it possible that the State Road fifty six extension would come down Springdale?

2:59:31Uh

2:59:34It could possibly, but they're gonna take a lot of uh houses. There is uh twenty seven uh residents l that live Um Uh Springdale. And Deer Lane. That is a um they don't call 'em dead hens no more. They call them no exit. Or w well no outlet. There you go. But You Springdale goes down, turns

3:00:04to the left and turns into Deer Lane. That's where I live. Um the deer lane

3:00:14Stops at Thomas's property, which is Crystal Springs. All right, behind me now. Is the development river run.

3:00:25Hmm.

3:00:27Yeah. Well

3:00:28I just I just remember when I looked at um you're

3:00:32taking up his time. I'm sorry.

3:00:34Oh, is he the is he not the applicant? No. No. Oh I thought you were the owner. Okay, sorry.

3:00:42And cobblestone is the old Rook's dairy. And so I know Ms. Starkey, I know you do you you can uh you can uh re uh you know, look at that. Yeah. And um There is no No connection. between uh deer spring and uh cobblestone. And Mister uh Valentine owns the property. Where

3:01:14Yeah.

3:01:15No no. He's been there longer than I have. That's Loth Loren Road. All right, you want a little more time, sir? Loth Lorraine Road.

3:01:27Let's let Mr. Saltfluster talk and then we'll go So continue what would what you want to say. I'm sorry, sir. Continue on to what you want to tell.

3:01:36Okay, well the big thing is there th I think that well nobody really knows till the state decides where they're gonna put fifty six. But they're putting a a They can't they're they're wanting to put a hunter Hundred and some houses there. And now we're losing our fire department and EMS in Crystal Springs. You know, they're closing it down. So now Moving it up

3:02:04to Chauncey

3:02:05Road. I'm sorry.

3:02:06They're just moving it up to Chauncey Road.

3:02:08Ninety

3:02:09five percent of their calls were at

3:02:11the

3:02:11area around Johnse rather than Crystal Springs,

3:02:14thank goodness. Okay. But the Crystal Springs Road is not gonna be uh Widen. It I at least I don't think they can anyhow. uh but the th there's not a there's not enough

3:02:32There there's already too much saturation of new homes going there. We sure don't need another hundred eleven. You know and The infrastructure. Where are they gonna get the water? Where are they gonna put the stormwater? Storm water now runs down beside Crystal Springs Road. I've seen it completely full the ditch. going down to the bridge where uh the Hillsborough River Bridge. Yeah.

3:03:04The water doesn't have anywhere to go.

3:03:10Yeah, except into other in into p you know people's property. So I just I just think it's uh Not a smart move. to put that many more houses. in the in an area that's already saturated. Okay, I thank you very much. All right, thank you.

3:03:32Thank you. Thank you.

3:03:34Anyone else from the public would like to speak to item one hundred nine? Anyone on WebEx for one oh nine?

3:03:40No one on WebEx for one oh nine.

3:03:41Okay. It's to the board. Um

3:03:44Well the one question. Sheldon you say that Um They are going to improve Crystal Springs Road back up to Chauncey?

3:03:54Yes, it'll be improved. It's substandards is going to be brought up to standard from the southern boundary all the way up to the boundary of the n southern boundary of cobblestone. So It'll make that connection on that section. Right. Yeah.

3:04:05And what type of road is that they're gonna improve to or

3:04:08The substandard, I don't know what that section shows, but they'll bring it to standard. Whatever county standard is.

3:04:19For the board's information, fifty six being extended through that area. through Crystal Springs will help a lot of the war issues they have. Mm and when they expand Of course that road and do that work. they're gonna be looking at those water lines where they need to move it. So I I feel comfortable with that with that. I'll approve the project. Okay. So the second.

3:04:43I'll second it. Um Commissioner O When I look at the town of Crystal Springs, I see a grid pretty much a gridded road network. And I just I would ask the county administrator that when we when we have projects that come Can you just sh show us what's going on in the area? Where are the schools? Just and I'm not sure. I just wanna know the routes and I just wanna make sure we're not making the mistakes that I feel we've made in the last

3:05:13ten, fifteen years.

3:05:14Well so you know and and you do know this 'cause when um When Robert Thomas property and all comes in, they've got the new schools right there.

3:05:24Yeah, and I recall when I that's what I was gonna say when I uh and I didn't want to take it in his time. I recall when we were looking at um two rivers that all the property on the north where the s I think at that time most of the schools were on the north and I I think they may have changed that but there was there was no connection to any of the neighborhoods in the north. And I have no idea if this anywhere near there. And I just wanna be sure that those all those residents that live to the north of Two Rivers don't have to drive

3:05:54out and get on a collector come down and get on State Road 56 to get to s to the high school. They should be able to come through their neighborhoods and not Make this big roundabout.

3:06:07I I can't tell. I can't tell. I have no idea where we are really and where that is.

3:06:18That goes next to the school site and park site.

3:06:20Yeah, but there's also a whole bunch of other roads that we're stubbing down to the ranch.

3:06:28We at that time we weren't requiring them to connect and I I remember some of them were substandard. Um But we should be making those connections so that everyone doesn't have to go to one road to get to school. Look at River Ridge High School. It's not a good plant. So I just think there should be multiple ways to go north and south. Um, you live in a neighborhood that has all kinds of connections. And I think we did a

3:06:52better job with two rivers than you think. There there are there are some north south connections in two rivers.

3:06:56To the

3:06:57north? Yes.

3:06:57Okay. I just I can't I don't see them. I don't know where they are in relation to this. I'm just saying

3:07:02you did a better job in Two Rivers than you did with this one.

3:07:06I just would I just wish that was a part of the applications. I I think I asked that last time, but just Be helpful.

3:07:14Okay. Any further discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay.