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Zoning Amendment (Consent) - 4G Ranch West MPUD - 4G Ranch LLC - A Petition for a Rezoning from MPUD Master Planned Unit Development and A-C Agricultural District to MPUD Master Planned Unit Development District to Allow for the Development of 1500 Single Family Detached Residential Units on Approximately 1,102 Acres Located North of S.R. 52, 3.19 Miles East of U.S. Highway 41

Public Hearings at 1:30 p.m.PDD-23-7661District 1

What the county recorded

Published agenda

Staff recommendation

Approval with Conditions

Approved minutes

DispositionApproved

Approved the Public Hearing Consent Agenda which included items P59, P61, P62, and P58 including the noted revisions from the Planning Commission to the change of the front structure setback for three different product types which included the villas, the detached A product, and the detached B product, and a new condition that limited the number of townhomes to a total of 200 by roll call vote.

The source document

Published agenda

The county’s agenda for Board of County Commissioners, Jul 11, 2023

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Approved minutes

The county’s minutes for Board of County Commissioners, Jul 11, 2023

The published PDF, as served by the county. This item is one entry in it.

This case, across meetings

PDD-23-7661 in full →

PDD-23-7661 was taken up 2 times between Jul 6, 2023 and Jul 11, 2023 — this is appearance 2.

  1. Jul 6, 2023PlanningPC3No disposition in the minutes
  2. Jul 11, 2023BoardP58Approvedthis item

What was said

Transcript

Machine transcription of 10m of recording, with speaker names inferred from voice matching. 88% of 77 lines carry a name. It shows what was said, not what was decided, and both the words and the names can be wrong.

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MarianoChair

No, yeah, we'll do it we'll do it the end of the year. Yeah. Yeah, so that's that'll s yeah. We'll do fifty-four right before we do sixty-eight. So do them back to back.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

Okay, I apologize. All right. So uh P fifty eight. Is uh do you need that did you have state the advertising as

Starkey

I did not, thank you Denise. So P fifty eight was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on June twenty first, twenty twenty three and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

Denise

P fifty eight is P D D twenty three seven six six one. It's four G Ranch West MPUD, four G Ranch L L C. It's for rezoning from MPUD and AC to MPUD to allow for the development of 1,500 single family detached resident single-family detached residential units. Um I think it should say single-family residential units on approximately 1,102 acres, and it's located on the north. Site of 52, 3.19 miles east of US 41. The item comes to you with a recommendation

of approval with conditions with some changes that were made by the Planning Commission, which include the change of the front structure setback for three different product types, which include the villas, the detached A product, and the detached B product, and also a new condition that basically limits. the number of townhomes to a total of 200 that has been sent to the clerk's office to and to each individual commissioner. We ask that you approve the item with conditions as included in your revised conditions in

your packet.

MarianoChair

Okay. I have one spoke question. Uh Commissioner Starkey.

Starkey

Um just thinking about what you just said, if they chose to do rear loaded product, would that setback preclude them from being able to do rear loaded? And should we I dun I don't know if they have any plans but I wouldn't wanna keep them from doing that because of that set that language. Maybe we could add it to it just in case. If that's okay with them.

'Cause you said there was a condition of a setback.

Denise

Yeah, the setback has to do with the front primary setback. Those setbacks, um, the Planning Commission requested that, for example, the single-family attached villa had a 10-foot primary setback. They asked that it be 15 feet. So that was changed, and it was also changed for single-family detached product A and single family detached product B. So that wouldn't be for the town hall. The town home remains the same. So is there

Starkey

I wouldn't I wouldn't wanna preclude them if they wanted to to do rear loaded. So um I can we just say Clark, what's a sentence that just says if if they do rear loaded, those setbacks don't apply?

Unidentified speakerVoice B

Clark Hobby, Hobby and Hobby, PA one hundred nine North Brussel Street have been sworn. Uh I'm sorry, Tampa, Florida have been sworn. Uh we this only applies to certain front loaded product, Commissioner Shah, I don't think your concern is that you're not gonna affect it in any event. So

Starkey

if you wanted to do rear loaded and not have those setbacks you're

Unidentified speakerVoice B

those setbacks only apply to certain

Starkey

if it's a front loaded product it must be correct. Okay.

Unidentified speakerVoice B

Thank

MarianoChair

you. Commissioner Weightman.

Weightman

Mr. Harvey.

Just want to confirm that the townhomes are fee sample.

Unidentified speakerVoice B

That's correct. Okay. We have the new condition and they're requiring flat. Thank you.

MarianoChair

Okay. Any other questions for staff?

MarianoChair

It's on consent. So is there

MarianoChair

anybody who

MarianoChair

wishes to object to this item?

MarianoChair

Anyone wishing to object to item P fifty eight? Leave it on consent. Item P fifty nine.

Starkey

Okay, P fifty nine was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on May twenty-fourth, twenty twenty-three.

Denise

P59 is PDD 237680's zoning amendment, Carlos Alberto, Ramirez Padua, and Lara Garcia Santiago for a change in zoning from a C2 general commercial district to an AR agricultural residential district. Comes here with a recommendation of approval from the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission.

MarianoChair

Okay. Is anyone objecting to item P fifty nine? Do you know what could say?

Um item P sixty.

Starkey

Advertising the Tampa Bay Times on May twenty fourth, twenty twenty three.

Denise

That's PDD 237684 zoning amendment in the name of Sarah Gurley Trust, Max L and Sarah Sarah C. Gurley Co-Trustees for a change in zoning from an AR agricultural residential district to a C2 General Commercial District. Comes to you with a rec recommendation of approval from the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission.

MarianoChair

Anyone here objecting to item P sixty? Seeing no one move non consent.

Weightman

Do we do we have anybody representing this item?

Denise

Yes, it's Peter Pensa.

Uh representing the item. I thought you asked representing the item. Peter Penny.

Weightman

With Um with avid, I believe. Well the moving to a seat to seat tube zoning I'm just gonna stick with my theme here. Uh to protect this zoning from the Live Local Act. So I wanna confirm that there are conditions.

Denise

I apologize. I should have stol told you that uh let's see. See if they agree to a deed restrictions.

I I don't see that they agreed to a deed restriction, but I do want to say that um I'm fairly sure that this one has already submitted a pre application meeting for a commercial development there.

Weightman

But there's not being a confirmed heat respect now move to continue this item until we can confirm.

MarianoChair

Uh is the applicant here?

Denise

I believe the applicant should be on WebEx. I had to pull this one.

MarianoChair

Try to do this real quick.

OakleyVice Chair

We'll have to pull this, I guess, and

MarianoChair

let me see if we can get a WebEx real quick.

Starkey

I don't think is he on WebEx? Eric. Yeah.

Denise

Peter Pensa. I'm Peter. He's here.

MarianoChair

Peter Penny says he's here. Peter?

Denise

Yeah.

MarianoChair

All right. So uh Commissioner Weightman would like to have a restriction on here, a deed restriction. Uh did you hear?

Unidentified speakerVoice C

Yeah, so if I understood that would be a deed restriction to not allow residential development?

Unidentified speaker

Correct. Then we'd be fine with that.

Starkey

And Mr Pensa, can you give your name and address for the record and state if you've been sworn?

Unidentified speaker

Yes, my name is Peter Pensa. I'm an AI C P certified planner with Avid Group, and I have been

Starkey

You have not been smorn or you have? You have. Okay, thank you. Because you

Unidentified speaker

don't have any

Starkey

Can I ask you a question?

MarianoChair

All right.

Commissioner Starkey, go

Starkey

ahead. So uh I don't I haven't looked to see where exactly this area is. Um but you know I'm a proponent of mixed use and there are some good there are times when it's good to have residential above commercial or retail. And so I think what we don't want is is a Uh someone coming in C2 doing a uh Workforce housing multi-family project. But

I can we just keep keep it to that and and who knows, maybe he wants to live above where he works. I mean I wouldn't wanna take that away, so Is there a way to word that? So we just don't get what we want? What we we get what we don't want. We don't get what we don't want. So

MarianoChair

definitely. So at the moment I think we're gonna have to continue this item anyway. Uh talking to the county attorney just said we need the deed restriction in place, so we can't approve it today anyway.

MarianoChair

If they're doing a voluntary deed restriction, you don't have the deed restriction before you, so this would have to be continued to your August eighth meeting.

MarianoChair

Okay. So if you want to reach out to the applicant you can have that conversation. We'll put we'll go for that uh motion to go forward. So we're gonna pull item P sixty and we'll continue it to

MarianoChair

Well why don't you just pull just pull it poll sixty for right now and continue with your consent agenda since that's

Starkey

P sixty one was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on May twenty-fourth, twenty twenty-three.

Denise

PDD twenty three seven six nine three Clyde A. Bestone Buckman Highway for a change in zoning from AR Agricultural Residential District to a C2 General Commercial District. This does have a voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction that it will be used for C2 employment generating uses.

MarianoChair

Okay. Anyone here to object to item P sixty one? Seeing no one leave it on consent? Item P sixty two.

Starkey

P-62 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on May 24, 2023.

Denise

That's PDV 237714 in the name of Jeffrey S and Lydia Lydia Curtis for a change in zoning from an AR agricultural residential district to an R1MH single family mobile home district comes here with a recommendation of approval from the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission.

MarianoChair

Okay. Is there anyone in opposition to P sixty two?

We'll leave it on consent. We have a motion to approve the consent agenda.

OakleyVice Chair

So moved.

District Five Chairman

Second. Does that include the revisions on BC?

MarianoChair

No, we're gonna pull that. Okay, good. Uh all in favor say aye. Oh no. Roll call book, sorry. Roll call.

Starkey

All right, District One, Commissioner Oakley.

MarianoChair

Aye.

Starkey

District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Bradford. Aye. District 5, Chairman Mariano.