An Ordinance Amending The Pasco County Comprehensive Plan; Providing For Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment To The Future Land Use Map (Map 2-15 And Sheet 17) From RES-6 (Residential-6 Du/Ga) To RES-24 (Residential-24 Du/Ga) On Approximately 17.871 Acres Of Real Property Located North Of Anclote Boulevard And East Of Sweetbriar Drive; And Providing For Additional Text Amendments As Necessary For Internal Consistency; Providing For A Repealer, Severability, And An Effective Date.

12:00I abstained as it does said before. Uh item P fifty eight. Do we have proof?

12:04Yes sir. Advertise Tampa Bay Times July fifth, twenty twenty-three, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

12:12Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman Mariano Spito's Planning and Develop Development Department. Item P fifty eight is an ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan providing for small scale Comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map map two-fifteen in sheet seventeen from res six, residential six dwelling units per gross acre to res twenty-four residential twenty-four dwelling units per gross acre. And approximately seventeen point eight seven acres of real property located north of Anclove Boulevard and east of Sweet Briar Drive, and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal

12:43consistency, providing for repeaters servability and an effective date. And we have staff to make the presentation for you.

12:50Okay. And it was requested that we hear these items separate, so I'm we're gonna go with that. We'll see how the public comment goes. If we need to combine them, we can combine them later on.

13:02Good afternoon Commissioner's Hyatt Mozilla Planning and Development and I will be presenting item P fifty eight. B fifty eight is actually Uh small scale comprehensive plan amendment in the name of CPAS twenty two twenty nine Dominium Encloat. And let's start with the project's overview. So the applicant is proposing a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment to change the future land use designation from REST 6 to REST 24. And the intent of this increase in density is to allow for the development of 228 multifamily

13:33apartment units on approximately 17.87 acres. And it is important to mention that these units are going to be 100%. affordable and this project is supported by community development as an affordable housing product. Also this project is um a traditional affordable housing project and um in that it will benefit from SHIP funds and it is not a local um live local acts project. The subject site

14:03is located north of Ankle Boulevard and east of Sweet Briar Drive in Holiday. There's a companion rezoning petition in the name of RZ7703, Dominium ENCLO, which will be presented after this. And now let's explore the site. By looking at the site location. The property is located in the West Market area within the urban concentration area as shown on this map in holiday. This is an

14:33aerial showing the exact location of the subject site. It is actually at 1410 Suite Briar Drive in Holiday. It is also located on a surplus school board property. And the subject site is currently vacant. This is an aerial showing the context map or the context, the local context and the existing conditions surrounding the subject site. As you can see on this map. The

15:03subject site is within walking distance from three existing schools. We have Paul R. Middle School to the west, Anclo High School to the northwest, and Gulfview Elementary School is to the southwest. The subject site abuts Holiday Lake West neighborhood to the south. Duke Energy Property is to the east and Holiday Lake Estate neighborhood to the east as well. Coastal Enclot Trail

15:34is to the west of the subject site. And it runs along the west side of Sweet Briar, connects to Anklo Boulevard, and extends to the east. As shown on this map, the surrounding area is predominantly single family dwellings and schools. the proposed projects of multifamily will provide um a different housing product to the area and it is compatible with the character of the area and also consistent

16:04with the surrounding land uses.

16:10This is an aerial showing the access to the subject site, which will be through Sweet Briar Drive. And um there is a um proposed um emergency access to the east, and I'll let the applicant um further explain that. The existing zoning on the subject site is an expired MPUD, AC to the north and east, and R four to

16:40the south. There's also MPUD to the west. This is a map showing the existing future land use of Res 6 on the subject site. Res 6 is also to the north, to the west, and to the east. and resonating to the south as well as to the Far East.

17:04And this is a map showing the proposed future land use of Res 24. Res 24 is actually a compatible land use to the surrounding um uses and um This compatibility is, of course, conditioned with sufficient landscape buffers and sufficient build-in setbacks.

17:27Planning and Development found the proposed amendment to be consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies Res 24. Policy Flu 8.1.1 West Market Area Establishment. So the vision of the West Market area is to provide good quality, affordable housing and disperse them within neighborhoods that have easy access to public facilities. The proposed project is an opportunity to provide attainable and much needed

17:57affordable housing to the area. It is also located in an area where there is sufficient infrastructure, public facilities, and existing facilities or existing public services. Policy flu 9.1.7 urban service area. As I mentioned earlier, the project site is located within the urban concentration area. This area was intended for more dense and intense development. And also, this area already has sufficient infrastructure to accommodate development-ready

18:28sites. So it is More cost-effective for the county to direct high-density development to areas where there is in existing infrastructure. Policy Flu one point four point three transitional land use and policy policy HSG one one two comprehensive plan amendments. In conclusion, Planning and Development recommends the board to find a proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and adopts by roll

18:58call vote.

19:00Yeah. Any questions for staff?

19:04This is a public hearing. Is anyone here to speak to item P fifty eight?

19:08Yes, sir. We have three signed up on

19:11here from now.

19:13That will work.

19:17Barbara Will Heights, 6327, Graham Boulevard, Newport Ritchie, Florida, 34652. I'm going to introduce uh my client, uh Cotessa Archer from Dominium. Worked here a long time and uh This client has it all. We're very, very lucky to um have them wanting to do a project in Pasco. They're both the developer and the operator of this project. And I'm gonna turn it over to Cotessa.

19:42Thanks, Barbara. Commissioner, it's nice to see you all again. My name is Katessa Archer. I'm a Senior Development Associate with Dominium, representing this fantastic affordable housing project that we're incredibly exciting, excited to bring to Pasco County through a partnership not only with the county, but also with the school district that's that's been in place for just over a year.

20:07So, as Hyatt shared, our project is located right behind the Anclote Middle School or the Paul R. Smith Middle School and the Anclote High School off of right off of State Road 19. Specifically, this project originated out of conversations with commissioners and folks within the community about upcoming opportunities of where affordable housing is most needed within the community boundaries. So we have been Been working with the commissioners for quite some time, looking at multiple different sites within the market, and just happened

20:37to be able to be introduced to the school district as an opportunity to utilize surplus land that was available that had previously been under contract multiple times and wasn't successful for an overall development. And we came in and were able to propose some much needed affordable housing. So, one thing that Hyatt pointed out, but I'll just go quickly through our proposal. We are proposing a 228-unit multifamily project that will be 100% affordable for folks who earn at or

21:08below 60% of AMI. Specifically, Dominium and us as a company, we are not only a developer and owner of affordable housing, we also operate our device. Developments. So one thing I really like to stress as a part of these conversations are we are we understand the reputation you know surrounding affordable housing and we understand the reputation of ourselves in relation to the type of housing that we provide. But the best way to see how our projects really exist and coexist over the term of the project is is over the 15 to 30

21:38years that we own it. So I'm just very proud to say that and share that. Because I think that's a much different way of approaching development, a much different way that development has been approached in Pasco County, and just something that we really like to stress up front. So, specifically within our proposal, we're looking at a two, three, and four-bedroom project. This will be a three-story walk-up project, so there won't be any elevators. We don't have elevators in these types of products. It really helps us to save money. Money on the development side, in addition

22:08to we generally only have elevators in our senior projects. In addition, this will be a family-oriented community. Obviously, with its location with all the schools and the current neighborhood, we thought that that was most appropriate use from a designation perspective. And like I said, this deal will be 100% affordable.

22:32So, as Hyatt shared, I just want to call out as a part of the transitional land use that was approved as a part of Pasco County's comprehensive plan, going from Res 9, which is the neighbors to our south and the surrounding uses, up to Res 24 is a amenable transitional use that has been in place for quite some time.

22:54So, as a part of our development, we did do significant outreach to communities surrounding our site specifically, in addition to conversations with both the commissioners, county staff, and other members within the community. I like to start with our original site plan because I think it's a good representation of how that community process was successful in creating a better project for all stakeholders as a part of this. So as you can see on the site, our buildings are varied. We had originally proposed projects

23:24that, let me see here. There we go. You can see these buildings immediately closest to our neighbors to the south were set back originally around 15 feet. Um at this time of the site plan, we didn't have any proposed significant landscape buffers outside of what was originally required as a part of the county code. Um and really what this and what this site plan was trying to accommodate was not creating, you know, incredibly long lines of parking, which we consider to be A burden on our residents

23:54as they get in and out of our projects. In addition, at the time, we did discover through significant due diligence on the project that there was over 10 acres of wetlands on the project, which are significantly hard to mitigate and work through that process and try to design, you know, a site plan that can work, can fit the units that we need in order to make the economic. Make sense on the project and really was just trying to accommodate that so that we can manage the wetlands, manage the setbacks, and stick within our targeted

24:25size of the project. So from multiple conversations with neighbors, specifically to the south, down here. We changed our site plan to be better representative of um accommodating privacy. That was the largest concern for um the folks that we discussed this with. Um I think it's frozen. Oh, there we go. Sorry. Apologies. So as you can see, we did shift buildings further north on our site away from those residents,

24:56which accommodated a 30-foot setback here originally was 15, and then a 90-foot setback here for these buildings closest to those residences. And then this building is setback over 50 feet. In addition, as we work through some of the renderings on the project that you guys will see, We did add a significant 15-foot landscape buffer to that southern half of the property, in addition to pushing our access and our retention to the northern part of the site, specifically to help with flooding

25:26concerns and also to limit the amount of traffic that is entering through the neighborhoods themselves. As Hyatt shared, we have access off a sweet briar for both in and out of our project. Um in addition to the emergency access, which is not fully contemplated yet because we're having to negotiate with three or four different landowners to get there. But the emergency access is going to be proposed to also be north of our project connecting into Atlantis Drive, which will strictly be for emergency vehicles.

25:59So, as a part of that community outreach, we had multiple meetings with a majority of the HOAs in this area. In addition to that, we hosted neighborhood drop-ins where I was down here multiple days, both during the week and on the weekend, to hear resident concerns surrounding this project, educate them on what affordable housing means and why it's important that this type of housing be brought to the county. In addition to Just hearing kind of differing viewpoints on on what other issues that they're experiencing within their neighborhood

26:29and how our project may or may not contribute to helping those.

26:36So these are just some additional renderings of the project. As you can see, these renderings do a fantastic job of highlighting the 15-foot landscape buffer. There we go. As you can see here. In addition, we will have a total of seven residential buildings on this site with a fully functioning clubhouse. Our goal with affordable housing is when you look at one of our projects, you would not know that it is affordable housing. So we have within the clubhouse itself all the amenities,

27:06including a fitness area, a fully functioning pool, playgrounds, in addition to green space. And then around the site itself, we also are making the retentionary area active for residents to be able to walk and enjoy their community in addition to seeing really nice kind of landscape architectural concepts throughout the entire project, you know, hopefully as residents are walking their children to school.

27:33So again, just highlighting the landscape buffer that we worked through with the county and staff. And specifically, one of the major wins as well is this is an additional 15-foot of landscape buffer that originally we did not have contemplated as a part of our proposal. This is on school district land, and we'll be entering into an easement agreement with them to allow us to consider. That additional landscape buffer to further provide privacy to the furthest resident to our south.

28:06So again, just some architectural elements to highlight. These are three-story walk-up buildings. We will have a fully functioning clubhouse in addition to the 15-foot landscape buffer. And the buildings themselves are sloping roofs with stucco siding and stone accents. And overall, the height of the project will be around 47 feet.

28:29And just some additional renderings for context. That's at the front of our clubhouse that you'll see immediately entering our site off a sweeprier. And then that's a more zoomed in view kind of of the the fully amenitized space that I was discussing.

28:47These are just some examples of the quality of the product that we build, inclusive of both interior and exterior product examples. These are our clubhouse areas, in addition to our playgrounds and outdoor pavilion areas. Like I said, we have a fitness center and some projects have a yoga and cycling studio in addition to Some um we're missing the interior photo, but we originally had interior photos in there. Um but moving towards Dominium and kind of talking about the

29:17affordability piece, one of the most important parts of our presentations to county commissioners is educating surrounding why affordable housing is important and why this project you know is is really a great use of. Of resources. Like we stated earlier, this project will be 100% affordable. Oftentimes, affordable housing projects come through for approval that only have small segments of affordable housing within them, which is fantastic. But we really believe in the a tried and true model of 100% affordability. The

29:48affordability terms on this project, meaning the project will be rent and income restricted. For a total of 30 years, and that's as a result of receiving a ship allocation on this project. But 30 years is also the required extended use period under any affordable housing project that receives federal state federal tax credits. In addition, I just want to call out because lots of the conversations that we're having with commissioners around the

30:18state, especially since Live Local was passed, is kind of is this project utilizing Live Local? And this project is not. Unfortunately, for the 60% of set-asides, that is not included as a part of the kind of real estate. Tax abatement benefits to uh projects throughout throughout the the state specifically. And so currently those are only servicing 80 to 120 percent of AMI projects, and again, our project is only 60 percent. So this project

30:48will pay full um real estate taxes to obviously both the county and the state for the the 15 year, the initial 15 years of. Compliance period and obviously is also following the standard entitlements process, which is why you're having to listen to me today, which is fantastic. Um, but I will say that obviously the Lib Local Act did create a larger amount of ship funding that came from the state for purposes of affordable housing development. Our project has um applied

31:18for those, but that is also a normal function. uh a normal functioning use or resource that is used within the multifamily space that can't be used for other projects, in addition to a sales tax rebate that is coming from the state of Florida as well.

31:35So just to talk about those incomes and what our rents are going to be on this project, if we were to build the project today, our incomes that we would be serving would be between $41,000 up to $60,000 for our residents. And then the corresponding rents for those units would be between $860 to just over $1,000. And I want to stress that our our residents have to have an income in order to qualify and live at our projects. So oftentimes, workforce housing is used as a term

32:06to help coin affordable housing. I know that term can get lost in translation with specifically who we're serving. But specifically on our deals, you know, residents have to prove that they can make two times the rent in their monthly income in order to live at our projects. In addition, as you can see, we've provided estimates based on AMI growth in the county, which in my opinion will be conservative, but I can't tell the future, to just show by the time the project is built in 2026, what are those corresponding incomes

32:36and what Are those rents that we'll be serving? So specifically in 2026, we'd anticipate that our residents would be making between $55,000 up to $80,000 and paying rent between $990 up to around $1,285.

32:55So lastly, just in regards to live local and providing context and educating around this bill, specifically in this part of Pasco County, which we did an analysis on for five comparable market rate projects. Our project is set aside at 60% of AMI. So, like I shared previously, our rent will be around $1,100. For a project to qualify for live local benefits, it would have to be set aside between 80% to 120% of AMI, and those rents correspond to

33:25around $1,500 to $1,900. And from our analysis internally, and we look at comps all the time within Pasco County. County, um the market rate rent for this specific area would be around sixteen ninety-one. And so, as you can see, when looking at kind of live local regulations and where our project is specifically set aside, not only is the is the uh county getting a affordable project for 30 years, which is fantastic, um, you can also see that there's

33:56a significant rent advantage to the rents that we're providing as a part of this project. So we see that as a huge Huge benefit to both the residents obviously, but also as a resource for the county moving forward. So I'm happy to answer any questions. I'm also happy to respond to any comments from the audience, but just really appreciate everyone's uh focus on this deal and and concerns surrounding affordable housing in Pasco County.

34:22Okay. Thank you. Any questions?

34:25Uh

34:25yes. So

34:26um

34:27Welcome again and I'm so glad that we have a company like Dominium here. uh working on this project. Um You know, I'm part of the AHACT uh affordable housing advisory council. I think that's I'm appointed to that. And one of the um charges that we had and there's eight every Everyone every county in the state has to have an AHAC or and s I think some of them are combined. Um but you know th as you know the goal

34:57of the state is to get more affordable housing um built And um one of the best ways they said to accommodate this is to look for surplus land. So that's what we did. And that's how we found this piece of property. And I'm really grateful um to the school district for um participating in this project with us. I wanted to um

35:23to have you discuss the income They did a lot of work with the school district to show um who these clients Hopefully we'll be. And you know, when I was talking with the school district about this project, I said, listen, if you guys feel politically maybe we need to make it age restricted. Yeah, what We'd be okay with that and they said We have four schools in that area and it's our hope that our employees will be able to live

35:53here and walk to work. And it could service, you know, I mean that Three high s three schools right here and one you know l a mile away uh on Gulf Trace Boulevard. So um It it's an amazing salary um schedule that you did here. I don't know if you want to touch on it briefly or

36:12Yeah, absolutely. And I don't know if we can show it on the screen specifically, but um I can tell you guys a bit about the exercise we did. So because we are working closely with the school district on this project, um obviously housing school district employees has been a big piece of the conversation. Um and one of the Things that happened this year that sort of brought this up and made us look at it more closely was obviously there was a referendum passed, I think I believe to pay teachers at least fifty-two thousand dollars. Um, and according to the incomes that

36:42I provided you guys today, the teachers would be you know outside of that realm of qualifying for our projects. And so an ask from one of the commissioners was to really dig into who is going to be Be living here as a part of school district employees, and how do we ensure that we can do that? And so we worked with the school district's HR department to put together essentially a schedule of all of the schools surrounding this project, which is Paul R. Smith Middle School, Anclote High School, and Gulfside

37:13Elementary School, to look at all of the types of workers that are. Working there and who could qualify to live here. And as a part of our analysis, assuming that the project would be built in 2026, there's a significant amount of teachers, especially first-year teachers, who would qualify to live here. And I want to point that out because once someone qualifies to live at one of our affordable housing projects, They, if their income exceeds our income limits as they continue to live and reside here, we do not kick them out for that. That would

37:43be completely opposite of the type of program that we're trying to operate as a part of these projects. Properties. And so through this exercise, I was incredibly excited and incredibly excited to share with Commissioner Starkey that really those first-year teachers are going to have an opportunity to live here. They qualify to live here, their projected incomes would qualify to live here, and as a result, you know, hopefully would be able to stabilize their housing, housing costs in order to move on to home ownership. On standard, Within the Dominion

38:13Portfolio, we own a significant amount of units. And looking at our resident base, our residents are generally at our projects from four to five years. With one of the top reasons that they leave our projects is to go buy a home. And that's this program working well. So that's really the exercise that we did. And obviously, outside of teachers, there's custodians, there's um you know, instructors, assistants, there's There's a whole list of people on here that will qualify to live at our project as a result of of if it's approved.

38:44So that's the exercise and I'm happy to answer any other questions on that.

38:51And you know, our firefighters Our utilities department workers, so many um people um will that work for us. and and our first responders that are helping the public will be able to live here. And and what that last point that she said was really important and and um I hadn't thought about that until she said it in our meeting yesterday was that being able to l to live here and pay a rent of eleven hundred dollars a

39:21month as your income grows, they can put more money aside to be able to go buy, you know, put a down payment on a home and that's what they do. They incubate future home buyers.

39:34Mr Mr. Offert. Yeah. I'm glad you brought this project to us. I I'm fully aware of it and I I appreciate I I actually am looking in the process of looking for sites over in Uh District One. Uh we need more projects like this 'cause there's forty percent of our citizens that need this kind of project. There's Forty percent of our employees work with the county also need this kind of project. So Um it's one w we've been looking for a long time and I think it

40:04fits the bill for what we want for our citizens here in the county. So it'll serve them very well and very well built project the way it looks. So

40:14you you cannot tell the difference between this and a class A apartment complex really. Right. Um did you show the interiors? I don't know they're They're marble, you know, granite countertops and wood cabinets and

40:26Yeah, I think it accidentally got deleted out of the presentation, but um we could pull it up. But you could I mean you can speak the exterior matches the interior. So our interior of our units, um our fully functioning bedrooms, washer-dryer hookups, um LVP flooring, granite countertops, stainless steel appliances, um really the full game. Of a a natural apartment is going to be included as a part of our projects. And the way that we make that work is obviously through the use of those federal tax credits, which allow

40:56us to influx upfront capital on these projects to really focus on the quality of them and ensure that that quality Maintained, you know, over the 15 years, the first 15 years of the affordability period, which at the end of those 15 years, we're able to then reinvest in the project, which we essentially, you know, Dominium does that quite a bit throughout our portfolio. I would say we're spending around the forty thousand to forty-five thousand dollar per unit range at that point to further elongate that the the asset life of this project.

41:27Right.

41:28Okay. Next question. Uh Stein. Could you go back a couple of slides where you talk about the property tax exemption?

41:36She said she doesn't have one.

41:38I know but I understand what that's based on.

41:43So you're Your fifth bullet says Dominion is not able to utilize the property tax exemption I know you're not utilizing the entitlement part of Senate Bill One O Two, but What is your statement that you're not able to utilize the property tax exemption based on 'cause I have the law up

42:00Yeah. Hey, don't tell her.

42:02Well, I wanna make sure that you're you're that we're getting accurate facts to the to the board. I don't care wha whether the I mean she could always agree to a condition that she's not going to do it. The law I'm reading it says that if it's up to eighty percent It's a hundred percent tax exempt. Eighty to one twenty is seventy five percent tax exempt I'm not reading the law to mean that you d aren't able to what is that based on, isn't it?

42:29So the up to sixty percent set aside for the project, I believe, is if it has a nonprofit designation on it. The six we're a for-profit owner, and so at sixty percent of AMI, we were left out of any type of property tax exemption as a part of this bill, with the exception of senior projects. At this time, there's a different statute that's in place for Or 60% of set asides, if the project was designated to seniors, that would qualify for the tax exemption here.

42:56And you do have a senior project. Um

42:59We do have a senior project. It's in uh down it's in the jurisdiction of downtown Newport, Ritchie. It's not my deal specifically, um, but that deal is is going to be exempt, but that's not this deal specifically. But again, that legislation was passed in twenty eighteen. It's by Gulf Harbors.

43:16So I While we're listening to public comment, if you and Barbara could just look at Um It's one ninety six point nineteen seventy eight. Three D two

43:31Yep, we can do that. We have, you know, quite a bit of folks uh this was a big miss for us as a part of the industry, to be honest. And so we can pull the information. I'm happy in the meantime to get that. But the this project specifically is underwritten with full taxes on it. I think it's just over three hundred and sixty thousand that we're underwriting as a part of the project and then I know from the legislation itself that we would not qualify as of today. Um so I can go back and do that, you know, when the project

43:59comes back. I'm only bringing it up because if there is a possibility that you're eligible for it and you're but you're committing to the board that you're not going to use it We might need to add a condition to the M PUD that That contains that commitment. So I just want to hear maybe you and Barbara can look between Or you're listening to public comment. At that section and just make sure Explain to me why you're not eligible for it because I'm not it's not clear to me from the law.

44:27Okay. We will do that.

44:30Okay. I'll just add one thing as far as when I look at the school capacity. Gulf Sites at seventy-two percent with this development. Paul Smith will go to seventy-seven percent with this development, and Ancload High is at seventy-three. So that actually I think helps the school.

44:45Absolutely.

44:46And those those kids, I love what you haven't shown it yet, but we'll get to the next phase where you show that kids can walk to school with the improvements you're gonna make too. So I think it's gonna be a nice piece that'll be added.

44:56Yes. And those uh um Mr. Shark. If I could add those schools opened up as Title I schools, I think Chris is Chris is here. I remember I was on the board when we did um a couple of those schools and um Uh what else was I gonna say? Oh, and I don't believe they are full. So um you know, Amskills is running the uh academy at Anklet High School so I'm out there frequently, but those schools have a lot of capacity.

45:25Very good. Okay. Thank you, so we'll go to public comment and you can come back to David with his question, that'd be great. Alright, so in public comment, who do we have signed up?

45:33All right, so we have three individuals sign up for P fifty eight. So when I call your name, please line up in this order. Jay Bartels, followed by Grace Elmore, followed by Susan Conrad. Um please give your name and address for the record when you approach the podium. Thank you.

45:52Uh good afternoon. Um Jay Bartells, [address removed]. Um Originally I had signed up to speak on just this uh just this topic. However, I wish to make my comment a little more general uh than originally planned after reviewing the agenda and seeing just how many apartment complexes are on today's agenda. So that maybe when looking at those these words will be kept in mind as well. All across Florida,

46:23more apartment structures have been going up. With each apartment structure comes more restaurants, more parking, and of course worst of all, more people. Our neighboring county, Pinellas, should have been our example of what not to do rather than what to do. From 2016 to 2022, a number of accommod apartment complexes were completed throughout Pinellas County. With these apartments ranging from 200 units up to 400 units per complex, came droves of people moving to the area. a large number of these people

46:53from out of state. We've all seen the numbers of people that have relocated from New York and California, Florida being the highest population spike of any of the 50 states.

47:05Part of the reason for this being that we create more apartment complexes for them to move to. Let's take into uh take into account the average apartment complex with 250 units. With the average household in Florida owning two cars, 250 units means 500 more cars added to the area. Outside the space to require department these 500 cars. Comes room for visitors. The complex itself. And 500 more cars would have to be supported on our roads, roads that are far overdue for maintenance as it is in Pasco County. Many

47:35of the roads in the area are torn up with many potholes, Some people in historicals have referred to this as Swiss County. Putting more vehicles on the road is only going to make this issue worse. In regards to this agenda topic in particular, the roads in that area are already overcrowded. From that area on nineteen moving to alternate nineteen, you are guaranteed to catch every light in the area during rush hour because that is just how far traffic backs up. Using Penellas

48:06as our example again, the more apartment complexes it went up, the more people that moved to the area, the more time it took to get. Putting many people on the road, increased drive time to school, work, etcetera.

48:18to multiple apartment complexes going up as severe cost the people already living in the area. Price increases, whether it be groceries, gas, rent, prices will be going up. AMI also goes up. In twenty twenty two, my wife and I were forced to relocate from our house in Saint Petersburg. because of the sharp increases that were happening in the area in Pinellas County. Where housing used to be affordable for a two-income household, it became unavailable to most average families. Apartments went from a thousand a month

48:48for a two-one to no less than seventeen hundred a month, a drastic increase. As apartments go up and people move into an area, the area itself will also see nonstop development until it meets the needs of its new population. New shops, new restaurants, new hotels for visitors of the populace. Gone is the greenery, gone is the scenery, gone is the peace and quiet, and all we are left with is another New York or California style city that will be built up until it becomes unaffordable and unsustainable.

49:18Yes,

49:18my apologies. Um I wanted to be clear that I am for affordable housing, but rather than tearing down more land, I would like to see area that have been abandoned or buildings are running decrepit to be teared down rather than tearing down more greenery to put these up. And thank you for your time.

49:42Hello. Uh my name is Grace Elmore. I also live at [address removed]. Um as my husband said, we moved to Pasco County out of necessity, not necessarily out of desire, when our rent went from $1,000 to $1,700 in the course of two years. Not not five, not ten, two. And when we checked for other housing, I I would like to know where Dimin Dominium found housing for a two two for sixteen hundred

50:13because two years a year and a half ago, that was two thousand dollars or more. We checked in both counties. We we called everyone and that that was not available. And I see that you've got four more apartment complexes in addition to this one. and it's it's not sustainable for the residents. Also, and as he said, the parking, that's not enough parking. Those roads are not big enough. They're they're two, maybe four lanes, but Alt 19 and Anclode

50:43are about two lanes and it's not gonna handle that traffic. Um it it deteriorates the quality of life for the citizens. Instead of building more and more apartments and shoving more people into the space, why not build affordable houses? single unit houses that people can be proud of instead of more temporary residences to shove in more people and get as much property tax as you can. That's what Pinellas County did and it ruined the county. We were forced to leave. I lived

51:13in Pinellas County the majority of my life. It's no longer affordable. I just assume I can never live in Pinellas County again because two hardworking full-time people cannot afford it. And that is what will happen in Pasco if you keep building all these apartments. So Low income housing is great, affordable housing is great, but there's gotta be an answer besides apartment complexes.

51:40Um I think that's all I had.

51:41Right. Thank you.

51:49I'm Susan Conrad. My address is [address removed]. I'm here representing our Homeowners Association, which is the Gulf Winds community, which is immediately to the west of the elementary school, and the back of our community is where

52:09The proposed complex will come out onto Sweep Ryer. Sweep Rire wraps around the back of our community. We are mixed. We have villas and we have single family homes. Our biggest concern is the traffic. All of us leaving our complex have to go through the traffic light at Sweetbriar and Anclote. And when people come down Sweet Briar now. When they come up

52:39to that light, the weight of their vehicle triggers the the light to turn red for Anklet so they can come out with so much more traffic um That needs to be reevaluated so that it becomes a timed light versus a light that is on demand. In addition, the elementary school is the furthest away from the new property. And people already line up an

53:09hour before school is out at the elementary school, and the line stretches along Anclote, wraps around up Sweet Briar and that will just continue. I'm not sure on a rainy day that parents are going to be walking their children back and forth to the elementary school. So that's a concern as to how the lineup happens. And in addition, um the traffic light that is at Alt nineteen and Anclote,

53:40which I believe is probably a Penellas County traffic light. But everybody coming up to that light on Aunt Cloda's Pasco County for the most part. And there's not enough left turn lane now. So the additional traffic will back up both turn lanes. And when you're coming north to turn onto Anclote from Alt 19, there's no arrow. So

54:10I already sit there for at least um sometimes one full round of the traffic light, because so much traffic's coming down alt nineteen, there's no t opportunity for me to turn. So consideration for these traffic issues I think is critically important um as we go forward with this project. And then the last point that um I was asked to make is the

54:41current ratings of the schools and um Clearly based on the makeup of the multiple bedroom prop in the property, they want to attract families. But right now, the ratings of the schools have impacted people selling, especially the single-family homes, and we would look at ways that that Dominion could work with the schools and with the commissioners to you know improve

55:11that rating going forward so it's in a better place when this opens. Thank you.

55:18Thank you.

55:19That's all I have signed up.

55:21Anyone else here to speak to this item, P 58? Anyone w on WebEx?

55:25No, sir.

55:26Okay. So back to the board, so Does staff want to address any of the traffic issues or anything else? Um

55:32I

55:32wanted to say something one thing about the

55:34traffic

55:34issue. Mr.

55:35Starkey

55:35Mm.

55:35And I'm looking at the map and I You know, I'm cer certain we can look at that the timing of that light at Sweet Bayer and Ancloat. But um You know, when I'm driving around and it happened to me this morning, I was coming down Marine Parkway, school started. And um I guess uh I have to learn that at a certain time of day I can't drive down Marine Parkway 'cause there's a special needs bus apparently. And the parents are all walking their children onto the bus and stopping traffic both ways. So

56:05and I and I knew this uh Going in front of some other schools, um, Mitty P. Locke. I I started to learn not to drive down that road at a certain time. But In this case there is a grid system here. So if if you know that there's gonna be a backup That's Sweet Byrne Anclo. Um Th there are there are other roads you can go around that backup. There's Anclope Boulevard turn can go into Anclope Road and you can bypass that. Um however I do

56:35believe that the parents at this school Or the kids, the kids at this complex will be walking walking and riding their bikes to school. So there's gonna be very minimal. uh addition of cars going to the schools during the school hours. So that's that's one of the beauties of this project in my opinion.

56:52Yeah.

56:55Anyone from staff want to address the traffic concerns that were thrown out?

57:01Well maybe Barbara wants to say something.

57:10I apologize for having my laptop. I have specific language pulled up. Um but in regards to the traffic, this has been a concern out of all of the HOAs in NATO that we've had conversations with. Um specifically this project itself. We're anticipating at the AM peak the AM and PM peak hours that there will be eighty-nine trips. For the project, specifically with affordable housing, and obviously outside of school district employees, oftentimes our residents are working shift work, and so there's differing times that they're coming in and out of our community

57:40that are outside of these really peak hours during school, high school volume times, I would say. So, as a part of those conversations, you know, we did have a conversation with the HOA. About adding speed bumps and such to our our road that connects to Sweetbriar. However, you know, we can't we can't take on the full responsibility of changing changing traffic for an entire area. Um but in addition to that, I would say on our project side as well and in our lease addendums, our residents are restricted at

58:10max, um, depending on their unit size, to two vehicles per unit. Um also continue to mitigate uh the the proposed traffic or concerns on traffic uh for this site. And then I have the language specifically pulled up that doesn't allow us to take advantage of the the tax exemption SP 102, but I'm happy to answer any other questions on traffic prior.

58:38Commissioner Weightman. Sure. Thank you.

58:42Well I appreciate Mr. Goldstein. Double checking my I wouldn't say my butt.

58:50Just checking to make sure that we're not going to be able to We're not vulnerable to live local here. I I uh That's a theme. And I appreciate I appreciate what's going on, what what you guys are doing in in in your business model Um

59:08Yeah, at the end of the day it's a good idea. we had this discussion, I think Commissioner Oriano kind of has a similar Some of the perspective, it's more it's more rental. It's affordable rent I guess affordable rental, affordable rental for a period of time. And I'm a a a fierce advocate for home ownership and a person's Quickest way to generate wealth is if owning a property and generating equity within that property. So I it's just it's just a it's

59:38just a a general statement with as much rental to the gentleman's point who came and and spoke and there's no commercial component to it, not not really a a job creating component to it. Um So I just figure I Just just make that make that statement uh with with account that the only real special thing I see this is it's it's more affordable for folks to live. At the end day it's just it's it's another another apartment complex

1:00:08and I hope I hope that folks that live there do are able to save up and and go to the next level in their financial life. Uh so I I hope I hope this model is overall successful for our for our folks.

1:00:25Okay. Um I would move approval. Um I need

1:00:29to get an answer to my question first.

1:00:31Yeah. Oh sorry. You're good. Um I think at me something. Commissioner Weightman, I I appreciate those comments and I think there is some um synchronocies of of both uh your wishes and and what we're proposing here. And um, you know, from our perspective too, that the project itself is not going to have jobs that are generated out of it from a commercial piece, but you know we do anticipate there's 350 to 380 construction jobs that result out of this project since it is a $100 million deal. It's a it's a large deal. There's

1:01:01a lot of opportunity from that perspective in addition to employing three to five property management staff full-time throughout the term of the project too. Um and then in regards to the the specific exempt or the not exemption, I don't wanna throw that word out. Um but the specific piece of the legislation. The reason our project does not qualify for it is in Section 8. Um, it's Section 8K, which says units subject to an agreement with the corporation

1:01:31pursuant to Chapter 420, recorded in the official records of the county in which the property is located, to provide housing to natural persons or families, meeting the extremely low income, very low income, or low-income limits specified in 7. Section 420.000 are not eligible for this exemption. And that means that because we're entering into a tax credit LURA with the state of Florida, who is the essentially the facilitator of these federal credits, at this time with SB

1:02:01102, we do not qualify for exemption.

1:02:05So I agree with you But I'm not sure that your zoning condition says that you are going to enter into an agreement with the Florida Housing Finance Corporation. So

1:02:14do you want to add that?

1:02:16Well we can deal with that at the time of zoning, but if that's your position, I agree with you. But I don't think that your current condition necessarily invokes that clause.

1:02:26Okay.

1:02:26So we probably need to look at Revising your current zoning condition to make it clear that you are entering into an agreement with or that you will enter into an agreement with the Florida Housing Finance Corporation under under K.

1:02:38Yeah. And that's because

1:02:39in the absence of that, I think you would comply, I mean you would be eligible under D two, so Um So we just need to button that up in the zoning.

1:02:49Yep, understood. And that specific carve out of both the bond lura, which is currently stated as a part of our COAs, in addition to the tax credit LURA, we would be amenable too.

1:03:00Okay.

1:03:01I think we can address some of the traffic stuff later on in zoning too.

1:03:05Okay. To the board.

1:03:07Uh I would move approval of the this uh what is it, P fifty eight?

1:03:12P fifty eight, yes. Second.

1:03:15Okay, we'll call vote. District one, Commissioner Oakley. Aye. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Bradford.

1:03:27Aye. District five Chairman Mariano. Aye.

1:03:31Item P fifty nine, do we have proof?