Zoning Amendment (Consent) – Fletcher MPUD – Mary L Fletcher Rev. Trust and Richard D. Fletcher – Rezoning Request from an A-C Agricultural District and an R-1MH Single-Family/Mobile Home District to an MPUD Master Planned Unit Development District to Allow for the Development of 350 Multi- family Dwelling Units, 160 Townhome Dwelling Units, and 100,000 Square Feet of Commercial and Associated Infrastructure on Approximately 100.6 Acres Located in North Central Pasco

1:10:27We are now on item PC 14, which is D eight point four seven seven three nine.

1:10:32Okay.

1:10:34So I'll state my name for the record just in case it needs to be done. Liam Divine Planning and Economic Growth Department. This is PC 14. Fletcher M P U D P E G twenty-four dash seven seven three nine

1:10:51It's an MPUD zoning amendment from AC Agricultural District and R1MH, Single Family Mobile Home District, to MPUD. To allow for the development of three hundred and fifty multifamily dwelling units, a hundred and sixty town home dwelling units, and a hundred square feet of commercial and associated infrastructure. Hundred thousand square feet. Hundred thousand square feet. What did I say? Hundred. Hundred. Well that's a big difference. Um a hundred thousand square feet of commercial and associated

1:11:22infrastructure. The subject site is on the southwest side of Leland Avenue and east of US 41. It's located in the central market area and is outside of the urban service area and rural areas.

1:11:38Here is a context map. Here's the zoomed in aerial.

1:11:47I would point out Pilot Country is directly to the southeast of the subject site, Pilot Country Airport. The surrounding future land use is AG and Res 3 to the north, AG and Res 3 to the east. To the south is Res 3 and ROR, and to the west is Res 3.

1:12:06The surrounding zoning to the north is AC, RMH, and C2, to the east is A C and A R, to the south is AR and RMH, and to the west is RMH, C2 and MPUD.

1:12:22Here's some context related to the MPUDs in the area. There are several MPUDs. I will point out just a couple. To the west of the site is Telavera MPUD, which was approved for 800 single-family homes. To the south of that is Enterprise. Sorry, Enterprise Park MPUD, which was approved for 200,000 square feet of industrial and 35,000 square feet of commercial. And then south of the site is Longleaf

1:12:53Groves MPUD, which was approved for 95,000 square feet of commercial, 15,000 square feet of office, and 350 apartments. And that one's also adjacent to the Pilot Country Airport.

1:13:08Here is the master plane.

1:13:13We do have a conceptual Um there are specific um conditions with this conceptual in I believe um condition one. And the project does have a loom.

1:13:32The applicant is requesting four different variations from one from LDC section 402.5 D. The applicant requests a waiver from the distance requirement for the sale of alcohol beverages. This MPUD, PEG agrees with this variation. This MPUD is proposing a mixture, mixed-use compact development pattern that is walkable. As such, the buildings will be closer together and the development. will need flexibility regarding the mixture of uses. They are also requesting a variation from

1:14:02LDC 901.3M, which is a the applicant seeking that variation from the LDC requirement for interconnections and cross-access in areas where there are wetlands and runway protection, which are to the south and east of the subject's site. PEG agrees with this to avoid those such intervoid those such interconnections on the south and east. Side of the property will help preserve the wetlands environment and avoid possible flooding in the area. Additionally, the Pilot

1:14:32Country Runway Protection Zone to the east will by not allowing that interconnection and cross-access will prefer preserve future expansion.

1:14:49LDC 905.1, the applicant is requesting a waiver from the neighborhood parks requirement for multifamily apartment portion of the development. Parks Parks, Recs, and Natural Resources agrees with this variation. Multifamily parcels are intended to be developed with a higher density and than other residential developments. Therefore, basing park acreage on upland acreage of the site rather than the number of proposed units is more appropriate.

1:15:21And the last variation is LDC section 907.1. The applicant is requesting a minimum 15% reduction in the overall multifamily parking ratio. PEG agrees with this. This MPUD is again proposing a mixture of uses, compact development patterns that is walkable, reducing the multifamily parking ratio to 1.9. um spaces per unit and reducing the pr um impervious surfaces.

1:15:51And this is coming with recommendation for approval with conditions as provided in your agenda packet.

1:16:00Thank you.

1:16:03Mr. Line, appreciate that. Any questions for Pam?

1:16:08So on that uh conceptual plan, parcel H and parcel G one, which is kept clear for um the um approach for the runway.

1:16:18So G G one is not for the approach. That would be parcel H. That is the basically the runway protection zone for um the airport.

1:16:27Which cuts off access to G

1:16:29Correct. Right. Um however we do understand that this there's wetlands and there's gonna be, you know, impervious area that they're gonna have to do water compensation for. So um parcel G one is allowed for ponds and water control.

1:16:42That was gonna be my question. You know, 'cause it it mentioned um a reduction of the parking size to reduce impervious area and I was wondering if H and G one were counted into that as previous, you know, for the for purposes of the project.

1:17:04Or if they were just looking at impervious area on the D one, C, B, D, A.

1:17:11So in condition number one and I'm gonna read up, parcel G one allows for ponds for water compensation and landscaping that complies with the FAA type regulations and six oh five. So parcel H, which is the essentially the runway protection zone, there are no structures or ponds or landscaping because that's prohibited in your land development code when we did the airport zoning ordinance not too long ago. So that would be prohibited. Fences are not concerted structures, so those would be permitted. And then also they could have

1:17:41technically agricultural uses, Passive grazing animals like horse cattle and sheep could still be there.

1:17:49Okay, but is that is that portion of the property included in the calculations for pervious versus impervious? Do you know?

1:17:56I don't know that answer. That would be a good question to the applicant.

1:18:01Okay.

1:18:03Okay, any other questions for Liam? Okay, if not, is the applicant present?

1:18:15Good afternoon, Christy Barrera with Hype Design 5904 Recommended Parkway, Tampa, Florida. I have been sworn in. So Liam did a great job presenting. I just wanted to remind you all that back in December you all recommended approval for a future land use amendment to plan development. Since then the board has transmitted that application to the state for review. And that will come back to the board hopefully when this zoning goes to the board next month. So it

1:18:45is a companion application. The Plan Development Zoning has the same entitlements that the I'm sorry, the Plan Development Future Land Use has the same entitlements proposed as the MPUD zoning. In the zoning, as you can see on this concept plan, we're proposing the higher. Density and intensity closer to US 41, and then transitioning to lower density as we get closer to that runway protection zone. Like Liam stated, the runway protection

1:19:15zone does not allow any development or any ponds, but we can have stormwater and floodplain ponds in parcel G1, which we plan to do. It's just not shown on this graphic. answer your question about the pervious versus impervious. Really we look at that um on a smaller geographies. So specifically talking about the multifamily apartment portion of the site was what w where we were trying to reduce that. But the area of the runway and east of that was

1:19:45not included in that analysis. Okay. And so um because we're in the airport protection zone, we complied with all of the new regulations in the airport ordinance. We had uh noise analysis done. We also submitted um building locations to the FAA to ensure that the heights of each of each of these buildings uh meet the requirement for the planes. Coming in and out of this airport. So

1:20:15we worked with staff quite a bit on these conditions of approval and have put the different parcels on this concept plan to really break down where the uses can go. So we worked with staff to basically allow the use that's shown on the graphic or one use. Lower density. So parcel B could have apartments or commercial, parcel C could have apartments or townhomes, D could have townhomes

1:20:46or single family. And I'm happy to answer any questions. We also have the applicant here today and our landings attorney.

1:20:55All right, do we have

1:20:56any questions?

1:21:00Are you gonna have to get a final approval from FAA for any of this? I'm just asking because I'm doing this uh project at an airport and the ponds become an issue if they're not designed correctly so they don't attract birds and birds

1:21:12that might come to the water. So that was one of the things one of the reasons why we can't have ponds in that runway area. Um interested in have them right outside. So right outside that cone you can have a pond. Um Yes, there are definitely certain requirements we have to follow. Pond location is one of them. Also glare on buildings is another one that the FAA will approve. So we got, you know, initial approval, but we'll have to continue to show any revisions and changes as we go through the process with the FAA.

1:21:42It looks like there's a pond there made by Mother Nature. It's been there for quite some time, probably before

1:21:47the airport. We have to tell the birds, you know, where they can fly and where they can't.

1:21:55Okay. Um there's no questions right here. Anybody from the audience?

1:22:02Mr. Chairman we have uh two people signed up to speak. We have Caitlyn Bath Buell and Alita Buddha

1:22:10Okay.

1:22:12Well.

1:22:13Hi.

1:22:14I have something I'd like to add to the record.

1:22:16Uh we just need to have your name and address please.

1:22:19Okay, uh Caitlin Buell, [address removed].

1:22:22Okay, thank you.

1:22:24Um

1:22:25you

1:22:25want

1:22:25to submit something for the record?

1:22:26Yes please.

1:22:27Motion to receive and file? Second.

1:22:29We have a motion and second for the uh all in favor? Aye, aye. Aye, opposed, like signed.

1:22:41May I go ahead? Or do you want me to wait till you see the

1:22:45What's upside down?

1:22:49There we go. So fussy.

1:22:52All right. Good afternoon. My name is Caitlin Buell. As a pilot country resident and private pilot, my goal in speaking to you today is to help preserve the existent and unencumbered operation of Pilot Country Airport. While it is a residential airport, it also serves as a community resource. It's used by the National Guard and Pasco County Sheriff's Office for helicopter training and as a logistical asset to the county for natural disaster relief. I am a flight nurse on a medical helicopter and I see every day how small airports like Pilot Country provide safe landing zones for EMS,

1:23:22allowing for rapid transport of critically injured people. As the county has adopted Ordinance 2328, I know we are all on the same page about not harming airport operations. I would like to explain the image I have submitted, and then I have a couple points to raise where I think this plan does not comply with 2328. This is a representation of the traffic pattern at the airport. Air traffic and the noise it produces is not as simple as airplanes coming straight in or taking straight off. We fly in predetermined box patterns in

1:23:52order to approach and depart from the airport in a predictable manner. We also fly patterns repeatedly in order to land and take off as much as possible to maintain proficiency. The noise contours in 23-28 are an inactive. Accurate depiction of the reality of what can be expected by future residents. Noise does not stay near the runway. As you can see, the pattern for the runway 3-6 involves aircraft at low altitude directly overhead these apartments at full takeoff power. Ordinance twenty-three twenty eight states that no new wildlife

1:24:23attractants will be added. This plan is adding new wildlife attractants. The FAA acknowledges retention ponds as attracting large waterfowl, which are a hazard to air navigation. Elongated ponds are especially attractive to large waterfowl and flocks of birds. Here we have a long retention pond where airplanes would have just taken off or will be about to land. And would easily spook a flock of birds. Low-level bird collisions are difficult to maneuver away from and are likely to crash an airplane. This development adds risks to

1:24:53pilots as well as to those on the ground. I would like to know also what the effect this development will have. on the water drainage for the airport, given its position it may cause flo new flooding to the runway. Regarding the deed language, I would like to know what the process is for enforcing it. The same deed language has been required in the past with another development, and the deed language was never put into the deeds and everything moved forward. It cannot be determined today whether the proposed plan complies with 2328 unless there's a predetermined

1:25:24strategy to enforce it and information on why the process failed last time. In conclusion, the population density not matching the area, resulting in hundreds of families living under a high noise area and low-flying air traffic not reflected in the current noise contour. the increased danger to pilots and future residents from the new wildlife attractants, and the previous failures of implementing hold harmless deed language caused me to have significant concerns about the current plan moving forward. Thank you for your time.

1:25:51Could you say Did you say you lived in Pilot County? I

1:25:55lived there,

1:25:56yeah. So this came before this board when they changed the future land use. And I know I'm getting older, but I'm not senile yet. Um I'd swear we had a representative from Pilot Country who got up and said that they actually worked with the developer to come to an arrangement about how this land would be developed. Did you partake in that process or

1:26:21I have heard of that process. I don't agree with whoever that was and I'm here representing myself and not the airport.

1:26:29It was actually Spencer Ba Brass who met with the county and the applicant to to discuss the advice. And of course you're very familiar with the airport zoning ordinance, I can tell. And there's a procedure baked in it to be have that dialogue with the airport because none of us are experts on this stuff. Right. So we have to rely upon what they tell us.

1:26:47Um, okay. Do you have any other questions?

1:26:51Any other questions? If not, would I come forward? Thank you very much for coming.

1:26:57Thank you.

1:27:03Hi, good afternoon. My name is Elida Budd. I live at [address removed], so I do live at the airport. Um one of I'm gonna follow up with her statement. I do agree with her a hundred percent using all of the lingo, et cetera, et cetera. With regards to if I don't know if you guys can pull up that um the diagram back up again with the land. So So the uh Threshold for the runway starts at the numbers, not at

1:27:33where the end of the runway It's so I don't know if we can pull that back up. Uh you can use that same one.

1:27:48Oh sorry.

1:27:49Yes. So you see the uh red line that looks like it starts as it's dotted and then it starts with the comb. That actually needs to be pushed back to the line uh right at uh the runway, not as far back as it is. Therefore the cone changes, right? So that protection zone of our runway will pull back and extend more. So it would actually cut off where

1:28:20the um the pond is that they're uh they're going to build, as well as um the look at the thing here.

1:28:30It'll widen the cone because you're moving the line back.

1:28:33I'm sorry?

1:28:34It'll widen the cone because you're moving the line back.

1:28:36Yes, sir, it will. It'll move it back. Is it on? No? There we are. Okay, so that line. Sorry if I'm shaking. So that right there would be pushed back to right here.

1:28:47Sorry.

1:28:47Two hundred f it's good. So it goes two hundred feet beyond this point, right? So then this cone of Protection. Will widen. So it would widen out beyond Right where they're looking. Does that make sense? Is that

1:29:04uh could I ask you a couple of questions? Sure. Um I actually worked on this ordinance uh myself with a few other folks in this room. So is there something wrong with the way the ordinance is drafted or is the picture wrong?

1:29:18Um I that I can't answer that question. So I

1:29:22think what you're saying is that this picture is wrong because the line's in the wrong spot.

1:29:26Correct. So they don't have it where it's supposed to be per the FAA. So it should be two hundred feet.

1:29:33That's our statement in the in the L D C. It says a trapezoid area at ground level with getting two hundred feet beyond the end of a runway and centered around the extended runway center line, so forth and so forth. So creating a trapezoid. So

1:29:46Okay, but then that plan that you're basing that on would would be wrong. This plan, right? So this visual you have.

1:29:55Yeah, what's defined as the end of the runway is the question. So is that the

1:29:58the there probably is a definition

1:30:01Yeah, is the end of the runway the white line or is the end of the runway the beginning of the asphalt?

1:30:05I'll have Caitlin answer that question because she

1:30:07is

1:30:07the pilot. I am not. I'm just you know, a pilot's wife.

1:30:10Come back up.

1:30:11Great. Thank you for inviting me.

1:30:13Reintroduce yourself so because we've got to get on tape.

1:30:16Reintroduce myself. I'm Caitlin Buell. My address is [address removed]. Um so the FAA defines the end of the runway as the the other threshold line. So where it says one eight and you have the white bar, that is the end of the takeoff area, the end of the takeoff distance. Um

1:30:38the RPZ should start two hundred feet north of the white line, not two hundred feet north of the pavement, which is what it's going for.

1:30:45Gotcha. Okay.

1:30:50Um and the FAA has an advisory circular that I send you which defines all that.

1:30:55So are you fine with it based upon that adjustment, if they can make that adjustment?

1:31:00I would like them to make that adjustment and I we also have a couple other issues, mostly the uh the wildlife attractions also.

1:31:09And they were basing it also, uh they have in here in this petition uh is

1:31:16let us know who you're s who's speaking.

1:31:17Sorry. Uh what they have in here is a based it off of a can you state

1:31:21your name.

1:31:22Sorry. Because when

1:31:23she translates this you don't know who speaking.

1:31:25Sorry.

1:31:25It's okay.

1:31:26Alita Bud, [address removed]. So what they used in here was the noise level, right? Back in 2022 is the is what they have listed here. So our development, we've already grown. We're it we grow uh just like everybody else around us. So we have more new homeowners with louder airplanes, um we have more renters, um so therefore the noise level is gonna be significantly different. than what they did in twenty twenty

1:31:56two and they came out and did it on a day when no one was flying. So there was really no accurate noise level that was provided. And we actually we we kind of we talked about this uh years ago when I think it was in the Campbell uh development was coming in. So that's kind of when we we we actually said we didn't approve or didn't agree with that noise assessment. Can I ask a question?

1:32:25Yeah, how does the the noise affect you? That affects somebody that moves into the neighborhood and I'm trying to figure out if I buy a house and it's clearly next to an airport or at the end of the airport, I should have enough common sense to expect that I'm gonna hear airplanes.

1:32:47we ski choosing too, so uh you expect to hear airplanes if you're next to an airport. But how does that affect the UN pilot country that those people are gonna hear airplanes?

1:32:59We're just saying the ordinance twenty three twenty eight.

1:33:01Your name again, I'm sorry.

1:33:02My name is Caitlin Buell. I live at one one ninety two.

1:33:09I can uh provide my social security number as

1:33:11well.

1:33:15Yeah,

1:33:15later. The

1:33:16point about the noise is more to say that the noise contour existing in twenty three twenty eight is not accurate. It was done on

1:33:26So these people these future residents might be getting into something more than they would expect based on the noise assessment within the twenty three twenty eight round.

1:33:36Yes I'm saying I don't feel bad for 'em. There's an airport there, that's obvious.

1:33:41Yeah, the m the the main thing we want to do is make sure we protect the airport and thank you. Um Yeah, because it's important I think for any any small community like ours to have airports nearby. And uh that's always been a concern of mine about pilot country and even about the one we used to have out on on uh fifty four. You know, I hated to see that one go.

1:34:07Yeah, we're we're just concerned that complaints from the residents are going to result in more you know, restrictions or shutting the airport down or something like that. I know the deep language is supposed to pr prevent that, but things have a way of getting

1:34:21yeah,

1:34:22getting out of control like that.

1:34:23Well we just want to make sure that they comply with the ordinance. But we're we you know, we have to be fair with the landowner. He he needs to to develop his land and he He's paying taxes on it. But so we just want to make sure he complies with the ordinance and that we if we have to change the ordinance, Liz, I know you have to have a question. Questions about that. So why don't you go ahead?

1:34:45So it's the county's noise study that you believe is out of date, or is it a noise study that was done by the applicant?

1:34:51It was a noise study that was done. Sorry, Alita Bud.

1:34:56um a noise study that was done by I believe the um county.

1:35:01Our noise contours that we adopted were done by a study that we actually paid a consultant to do for us using a variety of sources including flight aware I believe which is real-time tracking my understanding of it. So that is maybe something that we need to consider as the county, how often we need to update on our noise studies and then accordingly the maps and

1:35:21that was going to be my next question is um with every development that comes in, not necessarily you're gonna do this every year, but as I said, we grow. Um so our airport community grows. So when you're gonna build this community, should you not redo a noise assessment to see, okay, well we've grown, are they going is is it going to cause an issue?

1:35:45Understood. And then as for the deed restrictions, and you have a lot of detail as to the different types of uses and the triggers that when a deed restriction has to be done, it's contemplated that as a condition of the site plan, etc. When those have to be done and they're recorded, that they're going to be reduced to county staff so that we know that that was complied with during the phase of development. So when the phone calls start coming in and someone wants co-compliance to go out there and you know and talk to the airport about the noise they're making, we'll have that as a reference where it's,

1:36:15you know, not the airport's fault.

1:36:17Would it be in their um is it the mortgage? The business. Purchase of their

1:36:24Yeah there's different steps depending upon where you are in the development process. I don't have time to go through it right now, but it contemplated that if you were buying near an airport or even renting near an airport or even living in an ALF, you have to be made aware through your lease agreement, through your your your your your your restrictive covenants, your deeds. So it's all on record for the percession purchase to know. So hopefully they won't complain to the airport and the county.

1:36:49Um Kaitlin Buell. Uh I I hear you that that should be how it goes. Uh if you refer to the satellite view of our neighborhood. There's a development just south of this proposed development that was supposed to have that happen and n nothing ever got put in the deed. Um The sellers were actively telling people buying those homes that there was no airport there?

1:37:12Yeah, I'm familiar. Spencer did fill us in on that when we were working on this ordinance. So was and that was part of an MPUD condition, not actually in the ordinance when that was developed.

1:37:23Yeah, the ordinance didn't exist back then. Yeah. So hopefully it You won't have more to deal with than that community complaint. Okay.

1:37:30Um one more thing that we

1:37:32Oh, you said one more thing three tim three times.

1:37:37This is your last thing.

1:37:41Sorry,

1:37:42go ahead.

1:37:44Um there is a pedestrian access gate on the south side of the MPUD that we believe could result in a safety. issue um because we should not have people as pedestrians on taxiways and presumab and also possibly the runway who have not been briefed on how to act around airplanes and how to avoid them. Yeah, hear me saying that. Oh yeah.

1:38:06Where is that on that map? The red dog.

1:38:09The red dog there. Yeah.

1:38:10Gated access.

1:38:11Yeah. So we would like that to not be there.

1:38:14And it's the Well, I'll ask yeah, but

1:38:23Okay, are you done?

1:38:28Okay. So Alita Budd, but I do actually have a funny question. I want to know who the attorney is for the turtles because they have more rights. They have more documentation than we do as an airport owner. Just asking for a friend.

1:38:43Yeah. You can get that from Liam, yeah.

1:38:47Talk to your congressman.

1:38:52Good afternoon. This uh my name is Angela Halbert. Um I'm with Elmward Henderson, I'm the land use attorney for the applicant. Um just wanted to take the time to address some of the comments. Um obviously you heard uh Ms. Barrero the applicant completed a study with the FAA, completed that um initial study and is committed to completing the other studies. That are necessary because this is obviously very close to an airport. And there are lots of restrictions

1:39:22moving through this process that we will have to continue to maintain. As you can see, parcel H, we use the information that was available to us from the county based on the new ordinance. As you may recall, the actual process was. Subject to the moratorium that involved the enactment. I think that took quite a while, but it was about 18 months that we were in that process of developing

1:39:53that ordinance. We've taken our best effort, we've repeatedly been continued actually so that we could work through all the fine details and in large part That was to comply with the needs of the airport. There are restrictions, there are wetlands that are existing in this area. Obviously, we had to comply with all of the requirements to maintain stormwater and all of those things. And we uh the applicant will continue to do that. So if you have any questions, please move.

1:40:23Gated access, the pedestrian access, is that something you're proposing or is that something staff was required

1:40:29the access is because as you know this is a mixed use development and that gated access is proposed in part because staff wanted that for the convenience of the residents of Pilot Country Airport. It is one way access only. The residents from the Fletcher development will not be able to access Pilot Country from that access. But the pilot country residents will be able to use that access to go through the um streets

1:41:00and sidewalks within the development. How does

1:41:02that work?

1:41:03A key card. Or a Bob or something of that nature.

1:41:09I can bring the applicant up to answer that more specifically if you'd like, but that's the idea. And that is so that they can get to the commercial areas but without having to go to the highway or and they'll be able to use their golf carts and walk and so forth.

1:41:27So that's just pedestrian access through that through that gate or golf carts. There's that this is a vehicular access.

1:41:34Okay. It's not vehicular access.

1:41:39Okay. So you anticipate any problem with the current understanding of the ordinance as far as where that line starts in case it's gonna widen the column. that's

1:41:50it. Uh based upon our review of I mean the the to me the ordinance is secondary to the FAA. I mean it was really intended to enact to codify for Pasco County, as I understand it, send restrictions on these types of airports that are residential in nature, but the ultimate governing authority is the FAA, and the FAA will determine where any of this gets built ultimately.

1:42:18Well, I I I have a question. question about the definition for the end of runway. I mean I don't see us defining it in here to be other than just that statement, the end of runway. So if the end of runway under the FAA standards is that white line, that is going to adjust your sketch.

1:42:34Significantly. Cause I I just ran a um a measurement on Pasco Mapper using their little measurement tool. Um that ended runway line is about two hundred and sixty-ish feet from the property line. So it would actually move that red line onto the pilot country property line, which would significantly widen that cone for this particular development. Um The um as a I'm not a pilot, but I'm a aviation enthusiast. I've done my share of flying

1:43:04right seat. Uh right seat, actually out of that that that uh airport. I understand there's a naturally occurring pond there where we can see some waterfowl and things like that, but um I I'm not crazy about the idea of adding additional retention on the left side of that cone um to to add risk to pilot On approach or or uh departing that runway. So I I tend to agree with Mr. Moody with regard

1:43:34to the noise. People buying in there are gonna know that they're next to an airport, so I don't think that's as big of a concern uh for existing residents as it would be for future residents, and that's up to them whether they want to buy there. But the issue I see is the issue that was brought up by the person who spoke to. during public comment with regard to the size of that cone and um adding additional hazards to uh to that approach or that departure area. So that's something I I I wouldn't be comfortable moving forward without finding out for sure if

1:44:05the definition according to the FAA is that white line because that would significantly change the what this development looks like.

1:44:14How far does the cone extend

1:44:16from the end of the

1:44:20It

1:44:20depends

1:44:20on the right-of-way.

1:44:20So this is Christy Barrera with High Design. Pasco Mapper has um some lines. I don't know if we can pull it Pasco Mapper, but this graphic that's currently on the screen was part of our FAA application. You can see that there is a the 200 foot dimension from the property line to where the cone starts going out. But we can definitely look look at those the boundary of that runway protection zone between now and the border.

1:44:49No, correct. It does not.

1:44:51There's limits to it, depending upon it.

1:44:53It's until they've achieved enough altitude on departure or or you know if they're coming in a higher altitude than

1:44:59And so in the airport ordinance, specifically, there are no ponds permitted in that runway protection zone, but outside of that zone, there's there's multiple layers in that airport ordinance. So outside that cone, you can have ponds. Those are permitted. So we have you know worked with the county and Elizabeth to make sure that. We're meeting all the requirements of the county's ordinance. Again, the FAA looked at this for building

1:45:30placement and height as well. So we, you know, have submitted this to them. There will be other documents that they have to review and approve, but we're we're happy to go back and confirm that that cone is in the right location.

1:45:44Christy question. I I assume all this gets worked out of the site plan process. We're not approving site plan today.

1:45:54Let's just make the assumption that the engineers draw the cone as you've got it shown here, which some of the neighbors dispute. When this goes to the FAA, does like the FAA send any is there any notice to these people, to the to the surrounding residents, so that they get a chance to say, Hey, wait, this cone's in the right or the wrong place or

1:46:17That I don't know for sure. We did have um you know, another firm prepare this airspace analysis that was submitted with the application. I can check with our consultants and let you know that but I don't know that answer.

1:46:30I would assume the residents could independently contact the FAA with their consultants.

1:46:35But only if they they would only do that if if they knew an application were filed. That's correct. was filed then that they would never have that opportunity.

1:46:45I w I will say that the um airport ordinance that you recently approved does require us to coordinate each step of the process with the airport. So that is something that is a continuing obligation throughout this.

1:47:01All that being said, If they get the site plan approval, they still have to notify the residents within a certain distance of the

1:47:11Right. The airport the airport gets to comment on the site plan. Okay.

1:47:15And for the record, I'm not necessarily opposed to the project. You know, I I think there's probably a workaround for that. And I understand a conceptual plan is just that, it's conceptual. So things c can and will probably move around. But that would be the only my only concern is just making sure that is ironed out before final plans are drawn. You know, if if you're talking about a bunch of impervious service that's on the border of that um area and no retention ponds that doesn't offer that wildlife risk for bird strike. So that's a that's a completely

1:47:46different scenario.

1:47:47Well if I understand we're here to approve it approve not the site plan but the use. And the use can I mean the actual site plan, if it has to be adjustments that'll be hand handled by somebody else, not us. So I mean I think it's an appropriate use for the property. property, we we do have to make sure we preserve the uh the airport, no doubt in my mind about that. And I think our ordinance and Liz is uh very on top of uh uh the ordinance

1:48:17and and what we need to do for that. So um I wouldn't feel comfortable you know moving forward with it.

1:48:25I move to recommend approval of IP.

1:48:30Second.

1:48:31Motion is second. Any further discussion of the motion? If not all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye, aye. Opposed, like, sign. Motion carries.

1:48:42I didn't even have to say what I was gonna say, so that's that's fantastic. I gave you a well and

1:48:47this these details can get ironed out before the anything gets built, so make sure everybody's covered.

1:49:00Okay, please do that.

1:49:03That's correct.

1:49:07Okay.

1:49:07All right. Denise Hernandez, Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. This is item PC fifteen and