Zoning Amendment (Consent) – Suncoast Lakes MPUD Master Planned Unit Development – Pasco County Planning Services Division – A Modification to the Previously Approved Master Plan and Conditions of Approval to Reflect and Memorialize Subsequent Revisions Thereto on Approximately 483.5 Acres in the South and Central Market Areas

54:25Okay. Seeing no one, pleasure of the board. Move approval. Second. I got a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Motion passed five zero. Move on to Uh P eighty five. That's funny out of them.

54:42Approved of publication in the September fourth, twenty twenty four edition of the Tampa Bay Time, supplemented by certified mailings and site postings. This is the first hearing. The adoption hearing is scheduled for November Twelfth indeed city.

55:00Mr. Chairman, item P eighty five is a zoning amendment that has been initiated by the County. It is in the name of Sun Coast Lakes MPUD Master Plan Unit Development. Um by the Pasco County Planning Services Division. It's a modification to the previously approved master plan and conditions of approval to reflect and memorialize subsequent revisions thereto on approximately four hundred eighty-three point five acres in the south. and central market areas. This is the first of two Board of County Commissioners hearings. No action is actually required for this first uh

55:31hearing or reading of this ordinance. We ki there can be a presentation if so desired.

55:38I'd like to see it.

55:40Okay. I want to do that. I want to see how they're laying it out. Curious.

55:50Do we take public comment along those more actual inquiry?

55:55Good afternoon everybody. Tammy and Snyder, Planning Development and Economic Growth Department. And here we have item P eighty five, PDE twenty-five seventy-eight twenty-six, a zoning amendment for Sun Coast Lakes MPD, master planned unit development.

56:11Here is the zoning map.

56:15And the future land use man. The context map This is the proposed master plan.

56:24This is a staff initiated modification to ensure that all the MPUD documents reflect the intent, the entitlements, and the growth pattern of the MPUD and to memorialize and approve the changes to the last BCC approved Sun Coast Lakes MPUD approval, which is in 2009. The PC heard the item at the September seventeenth, twenty twenty four hearing and unanimously recommended to vote. Um to recommend approval to the BCC. Um and this is the first of two BCC hearings,

56:55as Terry mentioned, so there's no action required at this time. Um there Has uh it was discovered by our esteemed zoning administrator that there were some documents that had not actually made it. To the BCC for approval. After the two thousand nine approval. And there were some non substantial modifications made to the MPUD using some of those documents. And so we just wanted to clean everything up and make sure that everybody was on the same page and all of the um um assigned

57:26entitlements were where they were supposed to be and all of that good stuff.

57:32Okay. And it's a consent item, so it's this is a public hearing. Is anyone here to speak against this item? Come forward?

57:47I don't know where I thought it said it was on State Road fifty four.

57:54If you can please give us your name and address for the record and were you sworn. Paul Bibe,

57:59[address removed] in a Have been sworn. Thank you. So papers to submit.

58:05Uh moved to receive and file.

58:07Second.

58:08Yeah,

58:08a motion to second, receive and file. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Motion pass five zero.

58:17Yeah.

58:20On the map, uh they have section three. It's right behind the racetrack gas station. They're adding hotel to that. I think it doesn't align with the current landscape and it's a misuse of the land. There's got significant issues as you can see on the map there. Uh

58:43Everyone leaving

58:46The car wash, the racetrack, and the U-Haul.

58:53to the intersection of Silver Palm and Murcot Way. to get out and go out fifty two west. All the residents in Grovewood Estates are already. Sitting there forever trying to get out. Partially the reason is If you see that thin blue line coming south off of fifty two, right next to number one where the car wash is. There's a median there. So everybody leaving the car wash has to come out, make a U-turn in that intersection of Silver Palm

59:23and Murcot. So all the residents from Grovewood mix with the people coming out of the racetrack and the people coming out of the car wash. And out of the back side of the racetrack. all converge there. And now the U-Haul, anyone wanting to come out and go west is going to come out at that intersection also. So A I believe that'll create A lot of traffic issues. Another thing is you see the red area C, that's all conservation land. And you can see the outline, the little

59:53line of what's actually wet or not. That little dot by silver, that's my house. We flood already when somebody spills a tea. I'm more concerned than ever about Stuff being built right there, if you're gonna put two acres of asphalt and concrete right there, that's all gonna flood in. Noted in three, the little line where it says palm, that's the lowest line area, like in the whole the whole section there. All the water pools right into that big bowl.

1:00:24And if we don't drain out properly underneath the road, it actually goes out to Griffin's Land. Our conservation leads out there and it drains out. It's a small metal culvert, it's a private road, it's not going to be able to handle that. Once the water goes over that culvert, we all flood in. And it floods over Silver Palm too, which traps the residents in Suncoast Lakes many times.

1:00:48Can we pull that up on the Is it Pasco Mapper or Puls?

1:01:07We've had a lot of new construction. The car wash I had called several times. It was with the Change of hands between Fitzy and Gary. Nobody got back to me. All I wanted was a car wash to be spun. The other way, so the exit was facing fifty-two where all the noise would be. But now it just blows into our conservation area. Like seven people have moved out already. Just 'cause it's so loud. So we get the noise from the car wash. I can see the U Haul from every window of my house just about. And

1:01:37I love the fire station. Don't get me wrong, I took a tour not too long ago. But they fire up the lights and sirens right when they leave. That's another thing like maybe somebody could call 'em, maybe let 'em know not to crank it up 'til they get to the gas station at least.

1:01:55Memo noted. Thanks. There's really very not a lot of traffic on that route.

1:02:11Is uh what's under construction right there? Is that the

1:02:15Storage facility.

1:02:16No, no. To the left of the gas station.

1:02:18That's at

1:02:19Paul Jollo's car wash. That was the car, yeah.

1:02:21Oh, that's the car wash.

1:02:23I had to resort to getting Jalo's phone number myself and talking to him about turning it around, but it was too late. Nice guy. I like Paul.

1:02:33Okay, so were you saying they they do U-turns? What what's the what's the path of the car wash?

1:02:39So the car wash has a one-way exit. On the You kinda see where those shipping containers are. Yeah. There's a one way exit there. There's an exit out the gas station. They come out to Mercott and right where it says Silver Palm Boulevard, all that is median. So people coming out of the gas station from that other exit have to come out and make a U-turn. So we all converge in that one spot, and now the U-Haul people coming out. where that road right where the cursor

1:03:09is, they're gonna be coming out too. That's for everybody that wants to head west on fifty-two. Everybody has to go out that way. Yeah. put a hotel on that small lot, that's gonna create a lot of problems. Not just flooding.

1:03:23Is that a light is that a lighted intersection or not?

1:03:26No sir.

1:03:28Which one?

1:03:29Oh that's interesting. It's not a light in another interesting.

1:03:33Not here, but up on fifty two.

1:03:35Silver Palm and fifty two. Is that a a lighted intersection? Yes, that is Silver

1:03:40Palm and Murcop is the intersection that I'm worried about.

1:03:45So isn't um that a retirement community to the south? No.

1:03:50No, it's

1:03:50Oh no, oh no, never mind. That's for James Mount. Okay. I was thinking of so I was thinking of uh The one at seventy five and fifty two.

1:04:00Temp uh Tampa.

1:04:01Tempa Bake Off, yeah. Yeah, that's a lot of people coming out of there.

1:04:07And look, it connects to nothing.

1:04:09Well where the cursive is. Is that where the hotel's supposed to go?

1:04:14Th uh where those shipping containers are mustered. That's where the hotels are. Well it's going there. Two point one five acres. And it backs up to that conservation. You can see the creek outline. So that creek runs it ran behind uh Kenny's house and then it dumps out on the Griffin's property or that first lake on the left. I don't know if you've ever been in to the Griffin's. So it feeds there's a spring out there. There's two springs and it it's always full and it feeds out through the swamp and onto their first lake.

1:04:48Just gonna be a lot of water displaced right there.

1:04:52Well they have to deal for that. Deal for I have to compensate for that.

1:04:57Previously, before the car wash was built, our neighborhood conceded that land and that was our original entrance into the neighborhood. We turned the land over and in exchange they paid all of our neighborhood. Which was nice, but then they built a car wash there. And aimed it towards us. Uh I've talked with a bunch of people in the neighborhood. Um we have a petition going and they'd like to see some sort of concessions if this goes through. Hopefully it doesn't, but

1:05:28But

1:05:28won't that hotel buffer the sound of a car wash?

1:05:32It's Probably too far to the east.

1:05:37Yeah. Maybe, depending, I don't know. Possible.

1:05:41Is this the first reading on this? Yes.

1:05:44And and and what are they trying to do? They're trying to do a fast food, my favorite. And what else?

1:06:00So what is in the little square that you have labeled two?

1:06:05Uh two is oh that's where the median is. that runs north to south. Blocking everybody coming out of racetrack.

1:06:16Okay.

1:06:16So that forces everybody to make a U turn there.

1:06:18So the U-Hall is behind that?

1:06:22Uh it is to the southeast just a little bit. Where all those retention ponds just north of all the Where that sandy patch is there.

1:06:30But what's going on that corner on the on that on the corner of Silver Palm and fifty two? That on the southeast corner right there. As

1:06:39far as I know, there's three lots that are for fast food or something like that. That'll be right in front of the You all the largest storage unit I've ever seen.

1:06:50Well uh Terry, were they Exit out on the fifth two from those three lights on that.

1:06:56Uh these are uh it's a three lot commercial subdivision. Um they would ha they likely would have access, but you could see on the on the uh Pasco mapper that there's a an a tract that's been established for ingress egress for the commercial. So if the access point is to the to the east, towards the detention pond there. Or fifty two.

1:07:18It's noted on it's the purple line on my map. That's the

1:07:22Oh right there's the

1:07:24Oh that's another road that's gonna go between the U Hall and the other commercial and also exit onto fifty two? Right? I guess right turn only.

1:07:33Correct.

1:07:37Um What but someone's saying that it's not right?

1:07:42You can't talk from there. Are there any other um exit points from the property on the left?

1:07:51No, Mercot is a residential

1:07:57road, narrow residential road. And people dump out

1:08:03To and from out of they'll come in and they'll loot they'll loop out of the racetrack and they'll hit Murcott and they'll come to the stop and then they'll cut across and then go left to get to get out and it's the same For uh the car wash there. So this residential road is what it is. This seg that segment of road has become uh you know, h heavily trafficked. from the commercial activity that's going on here. And then it it it's the only way really in and out. with the residents on Mercot.

1:08:33Is that a private road? Oh well.

1:08:37So the ac the access through there is, you know, when you come around past Ken Ratcliffe's whole place. Then you start, you know It probably wasn't as bad before that where the car wash was set vacant for a long time. And then when the racetrack came, it would just an easier way for people to come in and out with the flow of of of traffic. Hang a right if you're coming in from the light, if you're coming east, you have the entrance in next to Rat Ratcliffe's place

1:09:07and then you sneak out the back. It's just kind of the natural flow of How people move, but it's stacked up cars. for the residential folks. Paul, is there a bus stop in there?

1:09:20It's uh they moved it. I'm

1:09:22going off memory from when my grandmother lived back in there, so

1:09:25they moved it to the corner of Grovewood in Murkot.

1:09:28Okay. Okay.

1:09:33So it's just it's a choke point really. It's You know. It's an older community. It's been around a long time.

1:09:40Everybody that's even on the property hadn't been developed yet. If they're going back west on fifty two, they have to come out to this intersection and go and take a left turn, right? And that's what causes the issue. You're gonna add more commercial to it, so it's gonna it's not gonna get better, it's gonna get worse.

1:09:58There there is not an Excel line. lane either, I think coming out of Silver Palm turning right.

1:10:08You just go right on to fifty two.

1:10:11Yeah.

1:10:13Are we I

1:10:17What accents?

1:10:18People gonna pull it be pulling U Hall trucks out of there. They're gonna pull right out on the fifty two. Or wait for a light. I I can see it's I can see it being a problem getting out of there.

1:10:31There is an easement in the back of my neighborhood. If you see on my map, I believe it says 40 easement. It says 41 and 42, just south of my house. You see those little clock? I'm not sure exactly what that is. But there is that's how I that's my private drive, but it's an easement I guess. So I drive down there to get out. And that's where the median ends on Silver Palm, so I used to just hop the curve and drive, I don't think I don't do that anymore.

1:11:00Okay. We have some other ideas. Brad, you have something to add to this?

1:11:04Yeah, just one quick comment.

1:11:08Zoom in on that microphone and click on the parcel that's not cool. Yeah, yes. And then click on the arrow. So that That front portion there that runs behind the businesses is actually Pasco County owned, but maintained privately. So that's something that we do a lot of times in these types of Well I feel

1:11:32like

1:11:33it should be our road. Are we sure? Because

1:11:38You've been here long enough to know that the property appraiser shows us on multiple private roads.

1:11:48somebody in real estate needs to run it down and make sure because I don't see a dedication on the plat to the public.

1:11:59Mr.

1:11:59Chairman Mariano.

1:12:00It may be, but

1:12:01I don't see it

1:12:01on

1:12:01the flat. Yeah, Terry. If I may. Um as a county initiated amendment to this MPUD. We're working with and will be working with uh stakeholders within this MPUD. Uh a lot of the issues that have been brought up thus far are site plan related. Um we're going to be requiring binding concept plans for the developments that are pre um that are outstanding within this MPUD. If we could bring up the exhibit. Um that illustrates the it's a colorful exhibit.

1:12:32Kind of shows you uh what's happening within the development right now. So this this image shows you that uh non-residential parcels within the MPUD. The pink and the orange colored parcels are essentially parcels that have been spoken for. They have either

1:12:47approved

1:12:49uh preliminary site plans and designs, uh or that our drainage plans are underway. etc. So th those are already spoken for in terms of their planning and design. The green parcels which With the subjects that we've been sort of uh focusing on, parcel number three here, it was designated for either office or hotel entitlement. We don't know which. Um will come in. However, we are placing A condition of approval into the MPUD that will require a binding concept plan for that parcel as

1:13:19well as the other two green parcels that are further to the south in order to help mitigate some of the uh design concerns within the development. Additionally, when they do come in for preliminary site plan review, they'll have to go through access management and all those types of reviews as well. Uh and then lastly, we are also working on the blue parcels. Um there we are requiring a binding concept plan when they have to come in for the for a substantial modification. The condition of approval for the green parcels. We'll

1:13:49essentially say some something to the effect of the right-of-way. What we're working on right now is for preferred uses such as office and hotel. Uh the Binding concept plan may be uh administratively included into the MPUD and then brought to the Board of County Commissioners as a noted item uh to to uh illustrate what what update has been made to the MPUD. Whereas in the blue parcels the condition of approval will say uh thou shalt get it approved by the Board of County Commissioners as

1:14:19with a binding concept plan.

1:14:21Well if if I could ask, I mean you you say a site plan, but is that does that include any road improvements for

1:14:28Like it'll talk about the when the site plan is under review, they will take a look at the impact to the local right-of-way.

1:14:35Okay, so we're

1:14:36too

1:14:36early here.

1:14:37Yes.

1:14:38So on the orange and the pink actually they'll be talking about road improvements also.

1:14:43If they had any, they've already they've already looked at that. So the orange and pink is things that are already that have moved through Brad's shop already.

1:14:52Ms. Chairman Mariano.

1:14:53Yes, sir.

1:14:54So as I look at the site, when I heard hotel, my first thoughts were And I've always thought this intersection would be a a good place for it. I just think they're picking the wrong side. I'm dealing with a residential development right now next to another residential development. And With the hundreds of homes coming in. the impervious that's there, the drainage system they got. I don't think I'm sufficiently protecting the people right beside it. right now. And I'm dealing with that with the engineers right now. I

1:15:25don't know that just because of our code that we have in place is gonna sufficiently hold water, especially if we get any major storm events, even though it meets the code. It doesn't mean they're gonna be protected. So you could be making the situation worse. Secondly, come on out of racetrack and I've gotten gas there many, many times. Everybody there is gonna go out to the right, do the loop around because you wanna take the right turn to get in the Sun Coast. That's the way they're gonna go. So you throw the hotel into that too? On that side? You're you're looking for a a disaster. Um it's

1:15:56just it's it's just the wrong side for that to go in. The office makes a lot more sense. Hotel and I love hotels as you know. I just think it's the wrong side of the road that's gonna cause these people never mind drainage issues they could face. Having the frankly having an elevation of a hotel in your backyard probably not that good either. I mean I had a lady on on Five A Road call me. With the townhomes across the street, she doesn't like people looking in. Now you get a hotel looking over. So the privacy goes away. The nice character of this neighborhood, which is a beautiful neighborhood, uh

1:16:26it really goes downhill real fast. Uh so I'm not gonna

1:16:32Mr. Chairman Mariano Rezone. It was on consent. It really hadn't got hasn't gotten pulled off consent. We've just had a bunch of discussion, but you Probably need to hear from the property owner's lawyer at this point.

1:16:51So

1:16:54No then you need to then you need to sit down.

1:17:01Harbor Willheight 6327 Grand Boulevard. I have had the pleasure of representing this um the master developer of this project. This project's uh been going on for thirty years when I was in high school and I've been representing it for about fifteen years. So The idea for parcel three was to add to it's already approved for office use. It's contemplated as multi-story office use today. It's been that way since 2009. The idea of the master developer was to allow for a hotel use on that parcel. They

1:17:31have talked to Hampton Inn. We're not talking about we're talking about a very nice hotel. It would go through all the reviews. It would go through access management review to answer Commissioner Starkey's questions. That's a right-in-write out. That additional driveway up to 52 is a right-in-write out. And then there is a new D cell XL lane. There were improvements that to the roads when U-Haul came through. There were improvements that had to be made. And you just can't see it on Pasco Mapper. My client has advised that those are

1:18:02have gone in already. So again, back to the hotel, approved as a an office, multi-story office was what contemplated. Um we have to go through access management review at site plan. We have this extra step of a binding concept plan which the county wants us to go through. But at the end of the day You know, if the county doesn't want to see a Hampton Inn at the location of very close to a Hampton Inn. At the interchange. You know, my my clients not gonna arm wrest my clients not gonna arm wrestle with you all over it if that's not what you want to see

1:18:32there. But As long as it everything is done thoughtfully. We go through access management, we go through binding consent review, we go through stormwater review both with the county and Swift Mud. It might actually end up being a very nice location for a Hampton Inn um So that's what I wanted to add. Um if you had any other questions that that I can answer on behalf of the master developer of 30 years of this project, I'd be happy to do that.

1:19:01Chairman Mariano.

1:19:02Yes or

1:19:03something.

1:19:06briefed on this project that I recall This neighborhood I mean you put multi story there, it's gonna be overlooking Whether it's office or hotel

1:19:23I just have a little bit of heartburn and agree with Commissioner Mariano about the side of the road that it's on. And then I also want to know if they were planning on flowing that water west. And add more water if if it if I I wanna get some expert opinion if you're gonna flow that water west. And and have it lean more on the Hallelujah land. We need to know that. So we need I I need to understand what what the plan is here. Um So

1:19:56Commissioner Oakley.

1:19:58be happy in between we have two hearings because it's a staff initiated, be happy to talk about drainage. Um again if if the board doesn't think that hotel's a good use there, let's not let's just leave it like it is today. It's office and the client can continue to try try to um be able to sell it for an office use.

1:20:15It's the multi for m it's it neither one of the it it's the multi. the multi story component to this site was With you know, it'd be in everybody's backyards. that live here and it's just a more rural style neighborhood. There's folks with horses and everything else. So it's It's you're sticking uh uh uh you know, be Like a unicorn coming into their neighborhood. So I just I'd like to understand this

1:20:45a little bit m more Um before making a decision on it.

1:20:52So What is our what is our

1:20:56ask for you if you could move forward if you want to give direction on the hotel, we can certainly that would be fine. We'd like to move forward. We do have a six million dollar closing pending on this um on this action. Um that's in jeopardy. I seem to stand up here and talk about in jeopardy a lot. Um but that's you know s we have two hearings to go through. We have another hearing before the board.

1:21:15That's not look, I haven't been briefed on this fully and So in jeopardy or not, that's

1:21:24That's an unfortunate situation y'all are in.

1:21:32Well this item got on consent because there's no no one's coming for The board or anything Saying that they were against this happening?

1:21:43N not to our not to staff's uh knowledge, but no action is required today. Oh no action required.

1:21:50So what happens? This is the first of two public hearing. So it's

1:21:55Okay.

1:21:58So this discussion With Barbara and her client. on this project will go forward until it comes back to the

1:22:04That's correct. We would like to continue moving forward.

1:22:07And I would I would think that

1:22:10between now

1:22:10and then you're gonna try to make some changes to make sure this fits. At the what's the right and

1:22:16check with

1:22:16every commissioner.

1:22:19Okay and office height the office height today and the in the In the conditions is a minimum of thirty five feet. So it's always supposed to be multi-story. That again, my client's been really clear. We're not gonna arm wrestle over this parcel three. Um if there's concerns regarding its neighborhood now that has grown up around, I mean this has been going on for thirty years, right? We just ask if we could just stay on the hearing schedule, please. Yep. 'Cause you don't have to take action to do that. I don't

1:22:46have a problem with that, but it's up to the board for a motion or Oh you doesn't take a motion in just stays in and I mean then you promise to get with all the commissioners and make sure Absolutely. Their concerns are if

1:23:00they're not addressed then at the next hearing you could not take action or continue it again, but Okay. And can we find out about Mercot

1:23:07Way? What um if it's ours or theirs. And um coming out of Mercot onto Silver Palm, is that a traffic circle? Stop signs? What what is What controls traffic right there? Four way stop, two way stop? Workot stops going on to Silver Palm?

1:23:25Yeah. The traffic circles are to the south.

1:23:29That's just a widened area for a U turn. Yeah.

1:23:32All right.

1:23:40I'm sure it looks different now.

1:23:42So So if you so try to imagine all those eight, twelve gas pumps, whatever it is, every one of them is going to be taking a right pretty much? They're coming down of that circle and they're going to swing back out and around. And I'm gonna ask you if we're gonna look at this to go down the road, if you think that uh the best of the Swift Mud and Stormwater regulators we have in in order are gonna protect the people beside it. I'm gonna ask you to go down to Krella Drive. Go talk to the residents there that are just having a road built beside them.

1:24:10Where?

1:24:10Crella Drive. It's over on Shady Hills. They've raised the road up about six feet from what I can see. It's now blocking any water flow from going around it. It's now trapping all the water from in the pond that they built Three giant puns in the back. crosses the road, connects underneath, to a level, with only two foot of storage for all that overflow that may happen.

1:24:35There's no pipes going into the

1:24:36road? There's no there's pipes going underneath, but it connects from one pipe to the other pipe and the bottom is the same height. If a big storm hits when there's a lot of impervious out there like we just had, to me That's gonna go in there and it's gonna go right over to the yard. Please go look at Krella Drive, you'll see what I mean.

1:24:52That's not this project.

1:24:53No, it's not. But what I the reason I'm bringing it up to you is because you you we always hear about the code is going to protect our people from flooding beside it because we got these stormwater protections. I'm telling you right now, if you go look at that, you go look at what could happen here, you could get the same thing. Our codes, our regulations do not protect us enough. We've got to take a an extra step to really look at this to see if it fits.

1:25:15And I promised you and I promised you that we will do that. We've heard we've heard your concern about the use on parcel three.

1:25:20I'm waiting I'm waiting to hear your concerns or our concerns be met. I didn't swear myself in, but um I wanna I'm I'm the previous one. You need to be sworn in right here.

1:25:31Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give is the true so have you got? I I do Thank your name and address for the record, please. This is

1:25:39George Nicholas. I live at uh [address removed]. We've owned this property. We closed on it in nineteen eighty-eight. We've carried this thing an awful long time. We pay a lot of taxes to this county. We put in a four lane road into into Silver Pond to get back to the houses that we built in the back there. So we've got adequate roadway. You know, you got four lanes coming in that goes to three lanes, goes in front of the

1:26:09fire station that y'all put in. So the project that we want to get closed on was already approved by the county because they made an error in the zoning they said and they want to fix it. Okay. I didn't create the error. S staff created the error for some reason, we don't know. Some people left, some could somehow there's somebody dropped the ball. All right. Our developers already spent almost a million dollars in design. Built

1:26:40you know, doing the and it's been approved. And we wanted to close this thing in June. Now it's costing us $1,000 a day to carry the debt that we've the money we would have had, $1,000 a day plus expenses. So Six months of that it gets costly. All right. We try to do everything the way we're supposed to do it. I don't we propose to do hotel on that site. I don't care whether we do a hotel on that site or not. If that's a problem, we won't do that, okay? But we're

1:27:10just trying to come up with the highest and best use for the land, like any person in the development business. We're not here to drink to flood anybody. But we've put drainage, if you look at the drainage plants we put in there, take a look at that stuff. Move it over, you can see them. No. Is those drainage ponds or not? There's like twenty five acres of it. All right. Plus the plus plus you got s uh the the state put a pawn on our site when they took the right away from us. years ago.

1:27:40So we've got a lot of drainage here. The problem with a lot of the stuff that's to the to the east of it or to the uh west of us is a lot of it's old built stuff and it's not built to the right height. I can't make that work. I if they had a a flood issue before, how's it gonna be any better now? I mean I understand. But we're gonna we have to hold that water on our site. We can't just pour dump it over. And we can't prevent it from going where it's supposed to be going because you can't change the flow. Right, Mr. Engineer? You

1:28:11cannot change the flow of water. It's gotta go there, but we don't wanna flood anybody. So if it needs another, a bigger pipe. pipe. Maybe that galvanized pipe is probably crushed or is not clean. That may be where the problem is. You know, and I don't know that anybody looked at that, but we could sure willing to take a look at it and see if it needs anything. It's

1:28:29galvanized, it

1:28:30probably needs

1:28:31to be replaced.

1:28:31And I've already got pipes Pipes sitting on on the supposed hotel site that we couldn't use out on 52 because we had a conflict. We had to use the plastic pipe instead of the concrete pipe. So if if they need to improve that drainage, we don't have a problem trying to help them out with that. But we have a pending contract that we need to get passed, and we can argue about all these issues later because it really has nothing to do with the project that we already we already have that you already approved. Okay. Thank

1:28:59you.

1:29:02Okay. There's no action today? Move forward to uh

1:29:11P eighty six or eighty Excuse me. Yeah,