Mining Operating Permit and Conditional Use Amendment Request (Regular) – K&M Mine Expansion – Mining Operating Permit and Conditional Use Permit Amendment for an Existing Sand and Limerock Mine with No Blasting in A-C Agricultural and AR-1 Agricultural-Residential Zoning Districts- Northwest Pasco County, on the South Side of County Line Road Approximately 3,200 Feet West of the Suncoast, Containing Approximately 149.80 Acres File Number PDE25-CU06

1:22:05Okay. Where are we now? P

1:22:10ninety

1:22:10four. P ninety four.

1:22:19P94, we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the November 6, 2024 edition of the Tampa Bay Times, supplemented by an affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

1:22:34Good afternoon, Brad Tippen, uh Planning Development, Economic Growth. This is PDE 25-CU06. It's a mining operating permit and conditional use amendment request. for K ⁇ M Mine Expansion, Mining Operating Permit, Conditional Use Permit Amendment for an existing sand and limerock mine with no blasting in an AC agricultural and AR1 agricultural residential zoning district. Northwest Pasco County on the south side of County Line Road, approximately 3,200 feet west

1:23:04of the Sun Coast Parkway, containing approximately 149.8 acres.

1:23:12I do want to note we did have uh my understanding is they had meetings with all of the different commissioners. I don't know, some of those were recent. I don't know if the clerk's office got all of the ex partes on those.

1:23:25Okay.

1:23:36Um what's

1:23:37that? No presentation?

1:23:41There. Guys are

1:23:44All right.

1:23:46Okay. Okay. Board members do you have any questions? Does does the board want a presentation? Oh, do you uh do you

1:23:53need a

1:23:54presentation?

1:23:55This is not a blasting mine. This is a dragline mine. This is an expansion of an existing mine. Am I correct? Correct.

1:24:03This is an expansion of the existing mine. It is drag line. There was one email that we received of concern from a neighbor uh before the Planning Commission. But when we looked at that and the timing of it. that it was concerns about vibration that appears to have been related to not to the mining itself, but to the actual paving they did of their entrance road when they were compacting for the paving. So that wasn't actually related to the mine. I'm not aware of

1:24:33any other objections.

1:24:37To that. And I I personally listened to the Planning Commission meeting so I saw your presentation, the presentation. Um I know there was discussion of possibly moving the the vision road. Um is that still So no matter what we do here today, that's still a possibility of moving that road.

1:24:54Yes, there will likely be another amendment to this in the future. There's another piece of property that's owned by the same uh entity. Uh and it's just a little bit more complex. There's some opportunities to do some good things with that property, so we didn't want to bring that in now because that's gonna take a little bit of time. Uh right now we know that that LimeRock is in short supply. It's needed for all the different construction things that are going on. So we wanted to get this through as quickly as possible. Is this commission? I have a presentation now. I don't know if we need it. I I don't need it. We

1:25:24just said it all, I think.

1:25:25Commissioner Oakley, do you need a presentation? I don't need a presentation. Commissioner Weightman, you No, okay. All right. So is there anyone in the public that wishes to speak to this item?

1:25:36Yeah. And we have one, ma'am.

1:25:40Okay. Well I can't see her. So this is her this is your time.

1:25:45Oh yeah, the applicant we'll let you speak. I guess we'll let you speak.

1:25:53Yeah.

1:25:55Are we gonna put it on a map or something for you?

1:25:59Jack Mariano.

1:26:01Madam Chair, Clark Hobby, Hobby and Hobby, PA 109 North Brest Street, Tampa, Florida, have been sworn. I'm gonna just reserve the balance of my time so I can hear what our neighbor uh might have to say and then I'll chat with you all then. Okay.

1:26:15Ma'am, if you would come forward. Please give us your name and address for the record and spell your last name.

1:26:26Uh Pastor John Kerouac, [address removed]. Thank you for your time. I had some concerns about this as I went through it. I mean Um, you know, there is a concern that, you know, the the way that this would be transported, each of those roads are at max capacity, my opinion. I go there, I drive through that area every day. I don't know about anyone else, but I definitely

1:26:57drive through that area every day. Some of the things that stood out to me that were of concern with regards to the uh community meeting um You know, and just being honest, I've been, you know, doing research and at this for a couple years now and have learned a lot, but I think the reality of it is, is that this is, you know I mean, way far beyond my certainly my pay

1:27:27grade and beyond most of the neighbors, you know, understanding of what's gonna happen. And there are concerns with regards to the way that that the

1:27:41The sand, the limestone would be transported. In addition to that, as I was as I was looking at the community meeting um summary, it says after an extensive discussion, most attendees seem pleased. And then it says again, did not appear to object to the proposed conditional use permit, which isn't necessarily an absolute that everyone understood. And again, this is very confusing information. The other thing that I wanted

1:28:12to say, and and I brought this before, and my concern remains the same, is that when I Take a look. at um Florida State statute, those uh proposed ordinance or zoning changes that are ten contiguous anchors or more. That there shall be two advertised public hearing on the proposed ordinance or resolution. And in my experience, shall means must.

1:28:42It doesn't mean maybe. It doesn't mean if you feel like this isn't a

1:28:46county-initiated zoning. This is an application.

1:28:49It doesn't state that it has, it says other than county initiated. That's how the statute reads when I read it. Mm. Um and so and then again it states that it should not be in legal advertising space in the local newspaper, and it appears to be that that's where this was advertised. And again, my concern is is that and and Commissioner Mariano knows this to be true, that people reach out to

1:29:19me. uh because they're not able to attend and I do have the support Of my congregation and the people in the community that I am able to come and present their their concerns and this is a major concern. There is like all kinds of things going on on County Line Road. There's residential development on both sides of the road. Um and and then you know you put this as an expansion in the middle. And there are

1:29:49concerns that this just doesn't make sense. So I'm presenting what was brought to me, the things that I'm seeing. There is still a request of the community, at least the ones that have reached out to me, and I have a concern because there's other residents who have unfortunately, you know, placed their confidence. and the decisions that are made and there's a lot that comes forward. Um so I don't you know, minimize that there is a

1:30:19lot that comes forward, but the concern that you know the things that happen outside of this meeting, the things that are presented outside of this meeting. Um, you know, that end up not potentially being in their best interests. We had a situation recently close to the church on Krella Drive, and um there's a residential easement being used as a road for commercial dump trucks in this moment to support

1:30:49the development in the neighboring property, and so You know, that is where I would just ask that you certainly uh consider that when at a minimum there are ten or more acres that you would consider uh a meeting after five o'clock PM to the public. Thank

1:31:11you.

1:31:11Thank

1:31:11you. And our county attorneys check the statutes on that. Requirements for ten acres, Clark.

1:31:18I'll read it to the board. Ordinances and or resolutions initiated by other than the county that change the actual zoning map designation of a parcel or parcels of land shall be enacted pursuant to subsection two. If you go back to subsection two, it is the normal ordinance adoption process.

1:31:38Okay. So that that settles that one. Um rebut.

1:31:42Uh Madam Chair Clark Hobby again just for the record, this isn't even a zoning change, it's a conditional use permits. That it doesn't even apply the statutes he's reading. Just wanna Uh make sure the board understands and our community understands as well. This mine was approved in two thousand nine and we have only ever had one access out of the site. That's our paved access out onto an arterial roadway, County Line Road. And that's where our access has to be.

1:32:13The hall route is delineated on our mining plans and it's required in our conditional use permit conditions. We have not so much as offered to change that over time because we don't think it's appropriate to go to the south where our neighbors are. Um We did hold the community meeting in accordance with the land development code and I stand by my summary that I wrote of it. Uh and and for the record, if there were significant numbers of people uh objecting from the community meeting, you would assume

1:32:43they would be here and they are not. So they weren't at the Planning Commission. So I'm happy to answer any other questions, but I feel this mine has been in operation and and done a good job for many years now and this is a logical place to expand it.

1:32:57So Clark, um This Sand mine. We had some on our ranch back in the day. Um this goes to build roads.

1:33:05It does, and the limestone is used to build roads. Uh the county needs it. We're actually completely out of sand right now and that's part of the application is to increase the volume of sand to be extracted and the limestone.

1:33:19Yeah. So this is

1:33:20Commissioner Oakley may have a question.

1:33:22Go ahead, Commissioner Oakley. Um Clark, the fact of it is you're asking for this more material to come out of this mine because you're going deeper. Right. And you're gonna do that without blasting, you're gonna do it with a drag line.

1:33:34That's right.

1:33:35And the fact of it is you're not gonna double up the amount of trucks coming through here. You're still gonna keep basically the same number of trucks moving, but you got more material to move out of this mine.

1:33:46That's right. And it because of the way the term works. There really shouldn't be a significant increase in the truck traffic at the site. But we already built the turn lanes uh many years ago to serve the mine. So and our traffic analysis analysis shows that they're appropriate for what we're taking out. One last thing, I don't think I need to enter into the record, but uh just for the public to know, we did have geosonics come out and monitor our uh, we have a lot of the uh sound from the site uh within the last month and

1:34:16they've done that several times uh leading up to permit changes on the mine over time. And we don't even violate with our regular operating um equipment the nighttime regulations even without a berm. So we don't present any, you know, problems with noise. We have direct access to an arterial roadway. This is what you need to be doing when people meet, you know, the the community, meaning the government and the development community and and homeowners in general need more

1:34:46sand and they need more limestone. This is a logical way to do it.

1:34:49And maybe one day this will go to widen Shady Hills Road and County Line Road. So uh and the trucks won't have to travel very far. That's right. Commissioner Mariano.

1:35:00Um You know, in in these years I've had complaints over on forty one yeah with the Lime Rock mines there between blasting and everything else. I haven't heard hardly anything with this whatsoever. Um to do this expansion I think keeps the price down of materials, supply and demand. So the more supply we have, the more the better chance we have got better pricing to go build as we're trying to do Kylie Line Road as well and Shady Hills Road and any other road as well. So I'm gonna move to this to approve. Second.

1:35:27And under discussion, uh as I mentioned to Clark, um, wouldn't this be awesome if when they're done it can become a county park? 'Cause I doubt that Mr uh Kali wants to um Kali Khalil Khalil um wants to continue to Take care of it. When he's done it. Excavating. Um with that it's a roll call vote.

1:35:49District one, uh Commissioner Oakley. Aye. District two, Commissioner Weightman. District four, Commissioner Yeager. Aye. District five, Commissioner Mariano.

1:35:59Aye.

1:36:00District three, Chairman Starkey.

1:36:01Aye. Okay, um P ninety five.