APC12 Finlay Commercial Center 21,000 square feet

1:39:45Mr. Chairman the next item is APC twelve. If we can get folks to please leave the auditorium.

1:40:15And Mr Brian Yunker will be presenting A P C twel.

1:40:25Brian?

1:40:27Hi. Good afternoon. Brian Jonker with Planning and Economic Growth Department.

1:40:35Okay.

1:40:46Good afternoon, Brian Junker, um Planning and Economic Growth Department. Here to present PEG twenty-four zero zero sixty-eight comprehensive plan amendment under the name of Finlay Commercial Center, C Pass twenty three nineteen.

1:41:05Oh yes. Okay. The proposal comprehensive plan amendment, the flu change is changing from REC 6, residential 6, to commercial. The purpose is to allow for 21,000 square feet of commercial on approximately 3.49 acres. The location is on the east side of US Highway 301, approximately 750 feet south of US 98. There

1:41:35will be an accompanying rezoning petition under the number of IC 7788 Russell K and Lin Finlay.

1:41:50The property is located on the East Market.

1:41:57Here is a site location location context map. The subject site is site on red.

1:42:09Here is a an aerial view of the site.

1:42:18Here we got the transportation network map with the different roads and trails that are around our subject site.

1:42:30I will need to mention for the record that we do have the Lacushi Dade City Trail Loop that is a twelve foot wide multi-use trail, fifteen point thirty-six mile long from Green Swamp Trail Loop to the Willacushi Still Trail and Hernando County. And the second one is the Mostown Trail, it's a 1.69 mile long, located within the right-of-way of the CSX line from County Road five seventy five two US three oh one.

1:43:02Here is the existing feature land use, is currently residential six.

1:43:10The proposed feature line use the proposed are is um to amend the flu to commercial com.

1:43:16Mm-hmm.

1:43:20The current zoning is A C are cultural

1:43:27The proposed amendment is consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies. We got policy flu 1.6.3, transitional land use, policy flu 1.6.4, neighborhood commercial uses, policy flu eight point one point four, east market area establishment, and policy flu 2.1.9, rural lighting standards.

1:43:50The recommendation comes to you. Recommend to find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommend approval to the Board of County Commissioners.

1:44:00Okay, thank you.

1:44:04And here if you have any questions.

1:44:06Any questions?

1:44:12Nothing? I guess you're all free, huh? Thank you. Okay, anything from the audience?

1:44:21Yes.

1:44:25Did you want to allow the applicant to speak first or

1:44:30applicant?

1:44:34Sorry. Sorry.

1:44:35Uh good good afternoon, Ann Pollock uh with Fletcher Fisher Law Firm representing the applicant. Um I just wanted to say uh a few things. I think the staff report, you know, really goes into uh the status of this property. Um it is uh consistent with the comprehensive plan in many different ways. Uh we're proposing a small commercial center on US 301 in an area. Area that is somewhat of a transition between the area

1:45:05to the south and the more commercial area just to the north. We are looking to create something that is also compatible with the general area. It's on 301, and there is a lot of commercial development in the general area. There's also some residential and some rural as well. Most of the commercial that's around is is old, it clearly wasn't regulated. It's a lot of recycling places and

1:45:35used car uh sales and truck repair and other things of that sort. And what we're looking to do is really bring in a transitional commercial use on a property that really is. is pretty much designed f well for that type of use. Uh the our traffic uh assessment determined that the proposed use would not um cause problems would there would be adequate capacity on 301. And in fact um the staff report

1:46:05notes that they are uh proposing widening 301 from 98, which is really just north, uh up to US 50, uh State Road 50. Um so close. Clearly this is an area that is considered for future development. And what we're hoping is this is also in the Lacouchi plan area, and I know the county is still working on finalizing that. But we have entered into or we will, as part of our zoning that we're going through, enter into a deed restriction that will

1:46:36require us to comply with the Lacucci uh design standards that are coming in. We are uh committing to um not have certain uses allowed, including what the county staff call dirty uses. Um and what are those? Um the uses specifically are

1:47:07Uh car washes, pre-owned vehicle sales and leasing, standalone warehousing and general storage, auto repair garages, lumber yards, standalone lawn mower sales, mortuaries, crematoriums, outdoor pottery sales, propane sales, septic tank sales, sod sales, shooting or archery ranges, self-storage, and freestanding uh RV storage and sales. and auto towing and uh uh Connected storage of vehicles. In

1:47:37addition, we're also having to commit to not building residential in order to meet the county's desires with regard to live local. We had a neighborhood meeting about a week and a half, two weeks ago, and we met with a couple of neighbors and one of which is behind the property and is here today and is going to speak. And our goal is to work with them to ensure that we impact them as little as possible. Most

1:48:08of what we're talking about in terms of site development changes are more appropriate at the zoning stage or even really the site development stage and not the comprehensive plan stage. So we would encourage you to recognize that we are trying to work. things out but ultimately this comes down to a decision about consistency and general compatibility in the area which we think both as staff has agreed is is appropriate here and uh we think based on the multitude

1:48:38of commercial uses in the area that this really is an appropriate place to have a uh commercial development that will meet all the new standards that Pasco County is implementing at this point. So I'm here for any questions and

1:48:52Okay,

1:48:52and

1:48:53questions?

1:48:53I I do have one ad for you in this step. I'm it's more of an observation, I'm not opposed to the project, but um I noticed that in the uh utility assessment for this um puddle water is right there, but wastewater is about forty three hundred feet to the northeast. Um which is kind of a heavy lift I think for a twenty-one thousand square foot commercial area. So I'm just pointing that pointing that out more as a

1:49:19and and I think what we had uh planned to do with that is our initial uh research into that suggested we m would not need to actually connect to sewer. So at this point as we move forward past this stage into zoning and site development, that's something that we're definitely going to be looking deeper at because our initial research indicated that we could put uh use septic on the site.

1:49:41Okay, that's contrary to what the agenda memo says though. Right. So

1:49:47at this point we it it is what it is and we will be complying with county requirements. So um to the extent that they require uh changes we'll have to do that, but

1:50:00All right.

1:50:01Thank you.

1:50:01Yeah, questions? Anyone else here in favor of the applicant that wants to speak?

1:50:09All right. Somebody with questions? I think you had

1:50:13I have Mr Thomas Gilroy Gilmore to speak on this item.

1:50:24Uh actually it's uh Mr. Yonker, uh his display. Yeah. And then the GIS of the

1:50:34Good afternoon, MSD Chairman Mariano.

1:50:38Um before I get started, I just maybe try to keep me on track because I'm very passionate about this land that that we bought in 2017. It's 14 acres and it's goes around the back side of that property that's um basically being uh uh for the change.

1:50:55Okay, Mr. Gilmore, we do we're gonna need your address.

1:50:58Okay, it's uh [address removed].

1:51:04Thank you. Um it would be the I think his fur uh maybe third slide.

1:51:12Uh maybe go one more. It would be the building capacity.

1:51:28Okay, right here. The purpose, um right here we've we've been notified twenty eight thousand square feet.

1:51:34Mm-hmm.

1:51:34And this one says twenty one thousand. This is

1:51:37the correct one.

1:51:38This is the correct one, twenty one thousand? Right,

1:51:40wouldn't it

1:51:41be?

1:51:41I I think so. I don't know.

1:51:43I I mean I have the I have the the layout that they the applicant provided.

1:51:51What what's the official one that we uh need to hold them to?

1:51:56Well it's

1:51:57gonna

1:51:58be based on the fifty percent FAR, or si s I'm sorry, sixty something percent FAR for the com flu.

1:52:08Yes, I'm I'm going to allow my colleague Brian Younger. I I know for the rezoning their timing and phasing was done on forty nine thousand five square feet for the rezoning. But I know that's not what we're doing today.

1:52:23I do apologise, may you please repeat the question?

1:52:27Well, you got two different numbers. You got twenty eight thousand square feet on the paper that he has and you got twenty one thousand on the easy. Are we

1:52:36coming up with the allowable square footage?

1:52:39And are they even limited to square footage by this other than the FAR or the traffic? Yeah,

1:52:46there's an FAR in the fluke.

1:52:51Yeah.

1:52:52So I'm happy to speak on this. Um originally when we submitted um the proposal that we had in mind was was twenty-one thousand, but that included um further space for uh loading and um perhaps more intense uses on the property. And so when we decided in order to be perhaps more compatible with the area and cut back on some of the the ability to maybe have more uh warehousing kinds of uses. Um we took away

1:53:22some of that loading area and it ended up creating additional square footage of building that could be used um instead of that loading space. That's where the change came. The concept plan that we've been working off of of course is just a that it's a concept plan and ultimately We believe we would be permitted to build what is possible under the code, under the FAR, that meets parking, stormwater, and all those standards. I don't

1:53:52think we have any plans to build anything more than somewhere in the low 20s to do that. She did mention the the traffic study for the zoning. Which again is is not um something that's been submitted for this project, but um when you submit for Euclidean zoning, which we're requesting C2, uh your traffic report has to be based on the worst case scenario. And under the basics of that, that that would be um uh forty-nine

1:54:23thousand square feet. But that's not I don't even know if that's

1:54:26no

1:54:26aerial photograph

1:54:27in our pattern. Package of this site. It looked to me like there might be a big lake on this thing.

1:54:33There's a proposal for a stormwater pond.

1:54:43Yeah. And and I'd also bring up the issue of the you know, normally when you build a building you're gonna have the square footage total, but these are ten I can see it. Mobile area that's different.

1:55:01Ten thirty-five by eighty-one

1:55:06I guess different buildings or same buildings? Uh and that's what brings my question is will that be in phases or like building out or is that

1:55:15all done? Again unless I misunderstand, this is only a comprehensive plan. So there's no site plan that's part of this approval. Okay. Um the site plan will be developed as part of the construction plan approval and will need to meet the requirements or what's the what they're allowed to do under the zoning and

1:55:31Yeah. Okay. And it and I just say this building's almost like same size as the football field. And it and it sits in front of our house. So when you when you look at the site plan it if it you know, if that's the max they can do, I mean, that's what we're looking at. And I just say if you Can blow that up a little bit and

1:55:58Go a little higher. That is the house I sit in every day. We have lunch, breakfast, dinner up on that porch, and that's exactly what I'll be looking at is a retention pond and a football sized building. Less than probably Not even Yeah, maybe four hundred feet away. With a hundred parking spots, what they had planned. Um it it just to me I I you say bring competent, you know, information

1:56:28to the I'm I'm just not sure how this building's gonna work in this area.

1:56:35Well this isn't the meeting to approve that building anyway. This is uh

1:56:40to improve the zoning.

1:56:41This this is not this isn't zoning. It's land is This is the there's two layers. One's one's called comprehensive plan, and that's set by the state of Florida. And then there's the zoning, that's set by the county. So w anytime the zoning is changed it has to match the flu the underlying state regulations. So that's what we're looking at now. We're looking at that part. And then they'd have to come back for the zoning and the site plan to

1:57:12get approved.

1:57:13Okay. Okay. I I you know, three weeks ago I had no idea what any site plan and it it I lost two days just looking at the letter saying competent You know, I mean on both sides it's it's gotta be I I know I I could tell ya I don't want that to be looking at a building that's right in front of my place where we s you know, purchased and you know basically but I I would say there is there is a commercial up and down this area. And if you

1:57:43move north to the other side of our property. And this is why I'd be so concerned with with what's going on in the Lakuchi area. Uh just go a little bit north. Yeah, just a little

1:57:59Okay. All right. If you can bring I usually these have light note right there. Come come back up just a little bit.

1:58:08Yeah uh right there, right there. This is AC property here. And it butts up to our property. And there's a lot of woods. Our our property's pretty much pasture. We we try to keep it clean and Maureen. If if you can bring that that see that A C right there?

1:58:25Mm-hmm.

1:58:26Can you and you go back to the other map?

1:58:32There you are.

1:58:33Uh no, no, I'm the

1:58:34right-of-way down at the bottom, toward toward the bottom.

1:58:37Right there. Can you see what happened up in the right corner?

1:58:41Yeah.

1:58:42That's why I'm very concerned about what's in the area. Uh can you roll up to that right corner of that property north? Yeah, right there. Right there. Um That's a problem. That's an environmental Hazard there. Um that property is zoned A C and it's got probably Seventy five trucks in it? And that's where I'm concerned about the property being rezoned in my front, that if they don't follow it then I I I I've

1:59:12got to actually deal with these situations.

1:59:15Right.

1:59:16Um If you can go back to the live shot. um to the property that uh well go go north. Go north, 'cause we're talking about commercial and redoing the Lakucci area. Just right across the street on Comer. These two areas right here, if you can go in and and click on what the property use is for. Nope. Right side of the road.

1:59:50Mm-hmm.

1:59:55Bring the live shot, the actual

2:00:01uh right above north of coma. Coma? Right there, yeah. And this would be considered uh vacant commercial But you can see there's probably Three to four hundred trucks. in this property. And and I want to bring this up because Once they rezoned, I mean, again I have to deal with these problems.

2:00:24Mm-hmm.

2:00:25Um and I think there's enough commercial to go through there and maybe build that building on I guess they do they call them material roads and collectors. Um this would be a good spot, but it's not being used properly.

2:00:39Mm-hmm.

2:00:40And I I think that there's other spots for this building, this football football size building to be erected and have as much thoroughfare as it needs. Um and I just say the first plan that came out was I I guess infuriated me 'cause they basically went across our easement. And it was a exit for that that property. We share a drive. They had asphalt on the other side of my

2:01:10drive, so when I come out of my only Exit. would be to go right on to their two exits. And and they actually went on to our property with asphalt. Like without even talking with us. And we we did we did get that Um Corrected.

2:01:30you know, y you think they would talk to the the neighbors and I think this whole how this whole project's come about. This pro this uh parcel was O Hundred and Twenty thousand. I I don't know if if it's able if you're able to, but uh If you buy it, get it rezoned, it's probably worth five, six hundred, maybe eight, hundred thousand. Um and and is this the intention? I don't I don't know. But we're like again, we have to deal with it.

2:02:00So it looks like this parcel here is zone C two currently and this one's zone C two as well. This one's zone A C like you mentioned.

2:02:10But the person that owns the The corner. If you go right on the south side of Coomer, Comer? He also owns the 17 acres.

2:02:22Yeah, the same owner here as well. So this I mean this spot right here might be a potential code violent.

2:02:29Oh it's uh it'll wi if there is a fire, it'll wipe out that whole neighborhood. 'Cause basically What I've seen they went in and cleared and put lime rock down. And they left the clearing to a berm around that area. And again, I'm not you know, I I know growth. I we lived on fifty four and Little Road. I went up to the f uh the planning and um division in 2017 and looked

2:02:59at there was nine new projects all the way down fifty four. And me and my wife went as far east in the county as we could go. And then all of a sudden I get a little bit of a little bit of a little a football sized building in my front yard. And I I understand they do but it's it's also residential, AC residential. one or two homes, I I I don't know, you know, and I I would share the drive with them. Right. But I'm gonna be looking at uh you know, ten different businesses. And then a pond, you

2:03:29know, retention probably seventy-five feet from my front door.

2:03:33So so for what it's worth, the this is zone C two and I think uh this is C two as well, this is AC uh agricultural. So it looks like this, you know, this may be a potential violation, but the applicant is looking for a um uh future land use change to come and then to potentially develop office space which would be a C one zone, is that correct? Yeah.

2:03:57But but he also stated So

2:03:59the C one wouldn't allow for uh something like that.

2:04:02Right. But he also had stated during the neighborhood meeting that he was eventually gonna take his business and take the whole The building. And I've seen that done down in the right-of-way. And uh I think I know what he's trying to do is down in uh fifty-four and almost s 7 Springs, there's a um a plumbing supply basically with five different businesses on each side. And uh it's near tractor supply. Um and

2:04:32I think that's what his intentions are, but I I i uh I'm afraid that it's gonna get to this point where It's gonna be a warehouse with overhead doors, trucks in the back and this is all you know This is what I'll be looking at. Mm-hmm. So I I just I worry about getting the zoning changed and I and I only bring up those other Companies because How did that happen?

2:04:58Well then you would in if this gets approved then you'd have to come back to the meeting when they apply for a zoning change.

2:05:06That's the more important meeting. Okay.

2:05:16Okay. And I and I didn't know the protocol. This basically we got these plans. Yeah. I wish I would have known that it was just the land that's trying to be approved now. Correct.

2:05:27This is just the future land use for this one. So that the big one would be the zoning, and that's where so they would most likely apply for for C one, which would allow the office space, but it wouldn't allow some of those heavier uses that you're talking about. So if they if they they relayed they said no, hey, we want to change it to C two or something like that, that's where you You could voice your objection to that. And you would

2:05:50be notice

2:05:50on

2:05:50that too. They they have obligation to notice you on that. So when when it goes his own he'll you'll receive notice.

2:05:56Yeah, I'm I'm kinda lost right now because this is what that I thought they were coming up to do today.

2:06:02No, we're not pro we're not approving that today.

2:06:04Right. And the other thing too you mentioned is you know, looking out your back door at the at the project. So that's where you could voice your concerns about that as well. Well and then that could potentially be rectified by buffering and things like that.

2:06:20And and I just say if you can pull into that And and I just say I want to get as much you know, I I'm passionate about the Lucuchi area and we live there that if if if you that click on that fourteen acres, it's just north of the property that's in question. No, just south of that.

2:06:42Right there. Okay, th this is m my property, mine and my wife's property. This is what we have. And we actually wrote a letter to the church that we would maintain that. And we have for the last s seven years. So That's why s we have the two homes right there. Now back to the parcel that's in question. um click on the parcel. Yeah.

2:07:14Yeah.

2:07:15That was that was about six months ago that actually burned towards our house. Um the the the owner, you know, when we went met in the neighborhood and I know he's here um asked me what I n what I wanted him to do. I I called him and said your place is on fire. He said the fire he called the fire department and said. They were already there. Okay. Well last night. It burnt just like that again. And and you know what I would tell 'em is

2:07:46maybe maybe brush hog your area or whatever. But that's what it looks like today. That was six months ago. So I'm just saying like he has really as I feel has no concern about Well uh or the neighborhood. So if if you're zoning this to inclusivy the surrounding area, I I mean I think, you know There's questions whether that's inducive to that area.

2:08:17Okay, well we always take the n take the neighborhood into consideration, so but as I say this isn't a zoning meeting. So we're we're just doing the underlying feature land use right now. So

2:08:31So I just have another question. If I want to zone mine fourteen acres, I I could do this. And I and what the board recommends to

2:08:41get the same opportunity, yeah.

2:08:43Okay.

2:08:45Yeah.

2:08:46Yeah you'd have to apply to change future land use.

2:08:52Just

2:08:52like

2:08:54residentials, uh you know, ag res so I could maybe add a house. And I think on the first question on the application that said make check with your neighbors. And I I The only time I talked to him when I called him to tell him his place was on fire, he he asked me about changing it. And I'm like, you know no. You're you're not even concerned about the the the the land or anything.

2:09:19Well, we'll try we try to take the personal stuff out of it. We just need to decide whether it's a whether it's a reasonable request or not. So

2:09:27And I just have to say one more thing, you coming right off ninety eight.

2:09:31This

2:09:31is ninety-eight and three oh one. There will be a traffic light at ninety-eight and three oh one. That's already proposed. That we had F D O T out, you know, taking pictures of our lane. Um and also to come into Pasco County and see a football sized building would be pretty much out of the ordinary. Mm-hmm. I mean that's the that would be the biggest building from that point all the way down to the the old likes building. And and I'm just saying like when you zone it and then y you let them

2:10:01take that building all the way out to the max, it's like there's too many other spots that can actually

2:10:09Okay, well we'll give you another bite at the apple when the zoning comes in. In the meantime, I've given you a lot more than three minutes, so I want to make sure that I'm sorry, I Well, there's only one person that had to speak, so I just let lett you have more time. So thank you for coming.

2:10:31Welcome back.

2:10:33Uh thank you. Uh Ann Pollack again for the applicant. Just wanted to um touch on some of the concerns that Mr. Gilmore raised. Um Uh in in terms of the uh surrounding uses, there is C2 zoning across the street as well, even though it's got I think Res 6 still uh future land use. Um so there is a lot of commercial around and and he's right there is a lot of ugly, inappropriate commercial around. Um and

2:11:03that is not what we're proposing here. Um and certainly the county staff. Have been very adamant about having appropriate uses come in, and that's why they are insisting that we um have a deed restriction, uh getting rid of pretty much all those uses that are in the nearby area so that we can't do that, including warehousing and all that. And the the other thing is going back to um we are required once the Lakucci Plan comes into effect. We're going to be required to comply

2:11:33with those design guidelines, which I think will not only benefit the community as a whole as they drive by 301 and see what's built there, but also the adjacent property owners because the the buffering and all those requirements will be stronger there.

2:11:54Ultimately we think this will be better in the future and certainly with regard to the fire and particularly I just found out today about the fire yesterday. Um we are looking to call the fire inspector, the arson inspector to kind of see what's going on because um I I believe they were planning to remo it next week, but it hadn't gotten to the point where they thought it needed, but nevertheless it seems something strange is going on so we're calling to kind of find that out because we don't want to and certainly once

2:12:25we get through this process and we build a building uh or buildings or whatever's appropriate for the site um the the the the owner will be there regularly. Um he owns a uh air conditioning uh repair and uh sales business and that's really what he's looking to have as one Of the tenants in this site, uh, but uh currently no plans to uh expand completely. Uh maybe perhaps in the future, but that is certainly um not

2:12:55something that he's currently looking to do. His wife is a realtor and maybe she puts a a real estate office in there and some some other kind of office uses. We are looking, I believe, at C2. Um Because uh for some of the the trades more trades uses there. But again that goes back to the fact that we have to have that deep restriction. Let me

2:13:15ask a quest a

2:13:16couple of

2:13:16questions about that. So first off, do you agree with the staff report?

2:13:23In in what manner?

2:13:25In how it's how your application is supported?

2:13:31I believe so. Staff

2:13:32sites policy flu one point six point four neighborhood commercial uses.

2:13:38Yes.

2:13:39Okay. And then it goes on to say the comprehensive plan defines small-scale neighborhood commercial uses as commercial uses that are four acres or less in size, with no more than twenty thousand square feet of gross leasable area. But yet the application here says twenty-one thousand and the gentleman testified that he thought there might be more.

2:14:01Well,

2:14:01I'm trying to figure out. And I'm confused and maybe we can ask Mr. Pitos this later and I even have clients that might be affected by this. How are we supporting Changing the land use to com based on neighborhood commercial and then the applicant comes in and says I'm gonna ask for C2 General Commercial Not to see one neighborhood commercial.

2:14:28I believe C two is a uh compatible zoning district with COM and it depends on the particular uses that are coming out. So how and to the extent that only twenty thousand will be allowed, that's what we would have to put.

2:14:45Because I we don't have the right to condition a comprehensive plan amendment on How many square feet they can build unless they want to put a voluntary deed restriction. I'm not suggesting you should, but I'm confused on how We're supporting this amendment based on a policy that would limit commercial to twenty thousand square feet. You're four acres is covered. You got three point four nine, I get it.

2:15:12Uh Niktar if I was planning it at all, planning the academic growth department. Um the next item on the agenda actually answers this question where that provision, that portion of the provision of the copyrights plan, uh in policy three one six four deletes or eliminates the twenty thousand square feet. Uh-huh. Okay. So th they're on the same agenda.

2:15:38Maybe we should have heard

2:15:38that one first.

2:15:43Yeah, I was gonna say it's it might have been something was discovered and uh needed to be fixed. That's good.

2:15:53I I I'm I think I've probably addressed everything. If you have any further questions, um I'm here to answer them. But I would respectfully request your uh support of this. Thank you.

2:16:16Okay.

2:16:17Comments? I don't have any comments. I move to approve. I think it's consistent with the comprehensive plan and Mr. thank you for Clarifying the question.

2:16:27Yeah, I mean we can get more into the details when it comes to the zoning application.

2:16:32We have a motion and a second for the discussion. All in favor of the motion? Hi. Hi. I was curious. All right. You'll be notified when the zoning comes up. Be notified when the zoning comes up.

2:16:50Okay. Yeah.

2:17:18We'll let some folks clear out and then we'll go move on to PC eleven.

2:17:54Okay, I think

2:17:55we're ready. Okay.