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P50 Beacon West East PUD passive golf course uses

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Jack Mariano

Do we have proof?

Kathryn Starkey

We have proof of publication in the March thirteenth, twenty twenty four I'm sorry, correction, February seventh uh edition of the Tampa Bay Times. Okay.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

Good afternoon, Tammy Snyder, Planning and Economic Growth Department.

We have item P50, a zoning amendment for Beacon West East and P-U-D. PEG 247742. The zoning amendment from MPUD to MPUD to amend the master plan, excuse me, and conditions of approval to set forth passive uses that may occur in golf course areas. Um location is west central Pasco County, north of Five A Road and extending west of Little Road for approximately one and a half miles. And there is the location map.

Current zoning districts, future land use, context map. We have several schools, parks, hospitals.

Here's a revised master plan.

Um the conditions of approval were revised to include additional specific areas that may be allowed, specific uses that may be allowed in the golf course areas. Um neighborhood park, the entrance road, utilities, floodplain compensation, drainage, and the most recent change that occurred since the last BCC hearing is controlled plants, gardens, trees, palms, or silvicul silviculture. And with that we recommend approval with conditions.

Jack Mariano

Tim, would you explain the conditions as far as um the golf course properties that that's gonna be And have the opportunity to be given to the HOAs.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

Yes, golf course um areas will uh It should the H O A be able to and be amenable to accepting them. They will be gifted to them um for their use as parks and open space and drainage and all that good stuff. Um

Jack Mariano

And if they do accept the properties, they'll be able to then even ask the developer to come forward to take out trees that are in the stormwater pond.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

That will be up to the HOAs, yes. That that that is in the conditions of approval.

Jack Mariano

Okay. Very good. Any questions for staff?

Kathryn Starkey

Yep, I am good with this one. I'm sorry

Jack Mariano

they have to

Kathryn Starkey

wait so long.

Jack Mariano

All right. So I know we have some speakers here. Well

Unidentified speakerVoice B

applicant first, but

Barbara Wilhite

Good afternoon. Barbara Will Heights, [address removed]. I can't imagine what else could be said about this one. Um planning commission went very well. Everything's been very well received. I think we finally got all the solutions here to work for everybody. So I'm kind of proud of it and hopefully public comment will go well and you'll support uh staff's recommendation. Thank you.

Jack Mariano

Thank you.

Yeah, we're going to go from public hearing.

Kathryn Starkey

We have uh the first one signed up is Kieran Crow. That's fine.

Kieran Crow

Hello, Karen Crow, [address removed]. And I have them scorned. I'm here representing our HOA finally. I'd like to thank you for the time and flexibility from Commissioner Mariano and the entire board. It has taken a very long time for us to be able to get through our paperwork. Um and thanks to the county attorney Goldstein, we are now in the process of getting another opinion. To allow our residents to vote on acceptance

of this property. Until this time, we have not been able to do that. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Kathryn Starkey

Uh also signed up would be Jeff Baumgartner.

Jeff Baumgartner

Jeff Baumgartner, [address removed]. Thank you, Commissioner, for taking the time. You've been

Unidentified speakerVoice B

sworn, Mr. Baumegaard. You've been sworn.

Jeff Baumgartner

Yes, I've been sworn. Thank you. Thanks, Commissioner, for taking the time to look at this one more time. I just think uh after walk looking at the last proposal and everybody talking about the trees and the beauty of a new development. development where this already has a real nice buffer of pine trees around. Uh I've been noticing a lot more nature and birds and things like that. So I think you should take the uh the the advantage that we have

right now of already being put in place. And uh Thank you for your time.

Kathryn Starkey

Uh Jack Mariano. Bromet.

Jack Brummett

I have been duly sworn in. Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and fellow commissioners. And legal counsel as well. And and Jack, your address? My name is Jack Brummet. I'm sorry. And I live at [address removed]. I am the president of our local HOA for the estates and Uh reserve of Beacon Woods. And I represent four hundred and eighty homeowners. There's an old mot

motto that states, take things as you find them, but leave them not so. Our community has been trying to do this for five years. In n two thousand uh Excuse me, in two thousand nineteen Uh When the golf course closed Um We've been trying to get this to today. Uh for that for that amount of time. On january the twenty first, two thousand twenty three, our community voted. eighty seven

percent to accept the offer. of twenty five acres of the Oleaks golf course and a responsibility to remain maintain it. uh the said property. Uh because of those delays.

Uh in Jan in November first last year we signed a short term lease agreement with Mr. Loman to lease this property Uh so that we could take care of it. Um Accordingly, we have purchased the necessary liability insurance. We've also purchased a commercial lawnmower to take care of this property. Uh I say all this to let you know that we We have skin in this game. Uh we

have had countless hours of volunteer uh labor from our people. uh to t prep prepare the golf course for mowing. And uh Every time we have one of these sessions, the first thing they ask me at the end of it, when can we do this again? So our attitude the attitude of our people Or i I couldn't ask for more from them. Uh I would like to take this opportunity publicly to thank also the Loman family for their generosity and

Allowing this com uh this property to become our our property. Uh we look forward to Using this to enhance the value of our uh properties as well. In addition to the twenty five acres being gifted to us Old faraways one, two, three. Five, seven, eight, nine, ten, and eighteen. will be taken care of by the new HOA for the enclave of B at Beacon Woods. This is a uh green uh area

for th for them to take care of. And the people that live on those fairways look forward to that being taken care of equally. Uh today's vote will finalize the planning for this project. uh and has been waited for by our residents for many uh mu months now. Since the closing of the golf course in two thousand nineteen. This issue has been one that has divided us. And today it's one that unites us. Uh we are backed by the by

the people in our community and they're looking forward to having this property transferred. I'm here today to ask you to vote a positive for this amendment, uh planning commitment. And uh I hope that that vote will be unanimous among you. In closing, I would like to say although this process has been frustrating at times because it's taken so long. I respect the process. I do. And uh I

know that we Uh d I's have to be dotted, T's have to be crossed, and I'm I'm good with that. And I thank you for the service each of you render to the people of Pasco County. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

Kathryn Starkey

Uh Joe Sears.

Joe Sears

Honorable commissions. Commissioner, I have been confirmed. Happened a long time ago. It was also happened today. So my name is Joe Sears. I'm a property owner and live at [address removed]. This is in the reserve in the estates. It's adjacent to the development proposed by NVR Incorporated Ryan Holmes and referred to as the Enclave of Beacon Woods. Your approval and I hope is

unanimous approval today is key to the ski success of our community and home values, and we thank you for your collective vision in doing so. I'd like to also to thank Ben Wilson. uh of NVR Incorporated. for the time he has spent meeting with our community. the Pasco County also the Pasco County Planning Commission for their review. and approval last month and especially the Lohman family. whose

incredibly generous land gift to our community will impact our community today and for future families. It's been, as Jack mentioned, a five year journey since our community golf course ceased to operate. By golf post golf course standards it was marginal, but it was ours, and we spent many happy hours teaching children and grandchildren how to play. It was a course that supported the Hudson High golf team, and while we saw golf support

wane, We hoped it would always be there. It was no surprise, however, when Mr. Lohman offered memberships like many other small courses throughout Florida to keep the course alive. and even those who originally purchased homes on the fairways declined his offer. Indeed, five years ago I attended meetings with the then County Attorney, Enforcement Supervisor, and a member of this board promising mister Loman would be offered a choice to

keep the property mode, or he would face consequences. This was a to me a low point in our negotiations. we saw the fight between the county and landowner drag on. Despite this, mister Loman agreed to meet with a small group of us at our home for a brunch. One option proposed was a conservation easement. which uh we followed up on, which was considered in twenty twenty one. twenty

twenty one from the information provided through Kathryn Starkey's office, and we followed up with Bill Bibby of the Florida Land and Recreation Grant six section in Tennessee. I mention all this because this was not something that was a one and done for us. This has been going on and we have been working hard on this for five years. And looking for solutions. We outlined a plan which had required hundreds, if not thousands, of sweat equity person hours to keep

originally fairways two, three, and four cleaned up. They were the first, the first group that you when you drive down Hudson Avenue, you see that. And by the way, it was the homeowners that did this at this time with Mr. Mr. Loman's approval. That was also at no cost to county taxpayers. Um Unlike other golf course in the county, over 50,000 evergreen trees were planted on the property by the Loman family in

2020. This followed up by an additional 500 trees donated from the state and planted by property residents, including yours truly, in early 2021. the trees we nurtured like children, and we are proud to day of what we have, which is quieter, with owls, wild turkeys and singing birds, and yes, coyotes, which has always lived there. This results in an aesthetics and neighborhood morale boost. We

believe that our home values have improved in part due to the aesthetics of a well-maintained pine forest and serves as a vehicle traffic sound and sight barrier Hudson Avenue. When Ben and Matt offered 25 acres to our community, our HOA leaders asked homeowners to vote their preference, with 87 percent saying yes in January 2023. In closing I urge you to up approve this change. It'd be great to see it unanimous. because

it's been been for me personally a a long A long road. Um The road modification.

Is the best traffic option for safe access into and out of our new homes being built adjacent to our neighborhood and families? We welcome them.

Thank you again.

Kathryn Starkey

Thank you.

Jack Mariano

Anyone else to speak?

Kathryn Starkey

Uh that was the last person signed up.

Jack Mariano

I see someone in the audience, please come forward like to speak.

Alvarez

Good afternoon. My name is Alvarez, Iñaki Alvarez. [address removed] Yes, I was warning. Thank you and thank you for the time. Um Very quickly. I'm a homeowner. I'm not representing anybody else except other homeowners. So we're a group of hone homeowners. that want to see this project go forward. We look favorably upon it.

and agree with the presentations made by Jack and his group. Our neighbors.

The reason I'm speaking now is because

Uh pending on voting. And and um and one of the reasons why the voting has not occurred yet is because there was misinformation. given to the homeowners. And so I'm stating that I'm worried that if we don't approve this or somehow continue to move forward. And we wait on voting based on misinformation. that that will continue and the rest of the residents

will not get the right story.

So I'm not sure how that comes across to you. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be negative, but uh we've been dealing with this now for years. I I live on the golf course, it's my backyard. Um and I'd like to see that cleaned out and have nice walking space for our neighbors and so on. Thank you.

Jack Mariano

Thank you.

Is there anyone else in the public like to speak to this item? Is there anyone online? No sir. Okay. Back to the applicant. Applicant's good? I if I could I'd like to talk about this a little bit. And five years ago I was with the people from Um The whole development and it was a scary moment as far as what was gonna happen. A lot of things were talked about. We had staff there, attorney's office there to go through what could what could be done, what could be done. Um I wanna say the

leadership of Jack Brehmett was phenomenal. Uh brought his people together. Um push forward to try to make the best of the situation. Uh Karen. You're doing a great job with Fairway Oaks as well, bringing them together. And uh I appreciate your taking the time to do that. Listen and and and and I'm glad you asked for the advice of what our attorney would be able to take a look at it to get that because I think it's gonna help you guys take that step forward. Um when this first started Fairway Oak was kinda like left out but Um They

are now back in the mix to have the same options to get the property, just like the estates does. They'll have the same options in the stormwater ponds to take out the trees if they so choose that the developer will take out as well. So as much as the situation has changed dramatically for the folks, I think through the long run, through the work, uh Our staff I think did a great job working step by step by step. Uh I asked a lot of tough questions and we did a lot of digging to try to make things happen. Um I even looked to a point where in case Fairway

Oaks had trouble getting the property, actually have the county be able to do an MSPU to take it over, we cannot do that as guided by the attorney. So we've got the best situation we could possibly get to benefit all the people, to bring a positive project forward. Uh nice thing is the open space that's on our map H here. Uh that's all gonna be lots that'll be seventy feet large. Uh so they're not small homes either. It'll be a a good quality home like in is in the neighborhood.

Kathryn Starkey

I I'm for it. You don't have to sell me.

Jack Mariano

No, I'm just I want the I want the people to hear. Um so with with all that said it's been a long haul but I'm glad we're to this point to actually put this behind us and let life go on. Yeah.

Kathryn Starkey

Um So we've seen similar things happen around the county, like um in my neighborhood of Gulf Harbors, where we had a golf course go under. Um we didn't have an HOA. We had a voluntary civic association. So we had to to a neighborhood vote and um do an MSBU. Um it was contentious. It's You know, half the people hate me in there and uh half ha some of the people are grateful I think. It took us years

to get it, but we finally have Um our park. And um we're just getting ready to cut a ribbon on it. I think it took seven years and Eight years and six years of lawsuit or I d I don't know, long time. Um I just think you have the best possible resolution out there. I think it's wonderful. I Thank the landowner. And um And Barbara and your client for All working together. It's a great resolution. Um

And I think you'll all be very happy with it. I think this is always a risk when you belong to a golf course community where it's not an equity club. Um someone else owns it, someone else You can't force someone to lose money. Um, so this was a great resolution. So I don't know if you want to say anything or I would make a motion. I I make a motion to approve. Second.

Jack Mariano

Okay. Any further discussion?

Okay. Call the vote. All in favor say aye. Aye. Motion passes unanimously.

Thank you all for the people in the HOAs. Mr. Special.