Pasco Town Center MPUD PDD 227566 mixed-use development

49:09Good afternoon, Planning Commission members. Welcome back, Mr. Moody.

49:12Thank you.

49:15Tammy Snyder Planning and Development.

49:31Gracias. All right, here we have the Pasco Town Center M PUD, PDD 227566.

49:40Here's a location map that is State Road 52 running east to west on the north, and that is I 75 on the western boundary.

49:51Proposed as a rezoning request from an AC Agricultural and C2 General Commercial Zoning Districts to an MPUD to allow the development of four million square feet of industrial and support uses, 725,000 square feet of office, 400,000 square feet of retail, 300 hotel rooms, and 3,500 residential dwelling units on approximately 966.8%. Mm-hmm.

50:18The applicant is also seeking variations from the LDC, Section 907.1 on-site parking. They're requesting to reduce from the required 2.25 spaces to 1.9 spaces. And section 526.3.A.1, sale or consumption of alcoholic beverages, they are requesting a distance waiver for the portions of the site that are to be developed in a mixed-use pattern. A lot of uses will be allowed in close proximity, and some of them may sell alcohol for on-site and

50:48off-site consumption. So, therefore, a distance requirement for alcohol sales. Um

50:55Yes, would limit or restrict the types of uses that would be allowed in an urban style development.

51:03And staff has reviewed these proposed variations and recommends approval as this proposed it this is proposed to be a mixed-use urban class development with a compact multimodal design and access to many amenities within close proximity, which necessitates the requested variations.

51:21And here's their master plan.

51:26The subject site is currently vacant and it is in the South Market area and in the urban expansion area. There is an approved economic development agreement between the applicant and Pasco County, and a small portion of the site to the southern end retains its agricultural future land use and will be reserved for future development. The proposed request is consistent with the approved EDA, the Pasco County LDC Chapter 400 MPUDs, and with the applicables provisions of the Pasco

51:57County Comprehensive Plan. And with that, PDD recommends approval to the BCC with conditions.

52:06All right. So do we have any questions?

52:11Nothing? Okay. Applicant present.

52:22Good afternoon, Chairman Gray, uh ladies and gentlemen. Joel to Twin Associates, I represent the property owner which is the applicant. Uh I'm land use counsel and I have been sworn. I'm just gonna give a very brief overview uh to supplement uh what Tammy has told you. Um this is that Southeast quadrant of State Road 52 I-75. It's been designated by the county as a major employment center on the comprehensive plan for more than 15 years, perhaps 20 years. But

52:54never previously zoned. The property, I think, had several false starts with potential buyers. My client Actually closed upon the property in December and they own it. So they're the proud owners. And we spent the first six months of the year working with David Ingall, who's here for the Office of Economic Growth and the County Commission and the Administrator. And on June 7th, just last month, the County Commission approved

53:24the economic development agreement. Which is a public-private partnership to construct over 70 million, that's seven zero million dollars worth of roadway and utility infrastructure to kick off this employment center. uh my client will be front ending virtually all of that money uh and then getting future uh tax increment rebates uh for the value that they enhance. They will get a portion of that ultimately to reimburse over

53:54many years, likely 10 to 15 years. Some of that infrastructure costs. The county is coming out of pocket to help with some of the utilities for the master utility infrastructure. So it is a major economic development project, as you can tell from the magnitude of the employment entitlements. We're talking about thousands and thousands of jobs which Mr. Ingel can speak to. So the economic development agreement basically says that we are to implement an MPD zoning that is

54:24consistent with two things. One is the EC future land use, which of course we have to comply with, and secondly are the terms of the economic development agreement. So we believe staff agrees, and Mr. Ingall can speak for himself, but I believe he agrees that this proposed MPUD is entirely consistent with both the EC future land use requirements and also the economic development agreement requirements. Um if we could put back up the MPUD plan just very briefly, uh Denise, I don't know if you have that handy. Uh

54:55It was just up.

54:58It was just up on uh Tammy's presentation, that master plan she referred to about two or three slides from the end of her presentation.

55:10back probably one that's it. Thank you. So this is the conceptual MPD plan, and the reason I'm putting that up is uh we've worked out with the County Attorney's Office and PDD. There are specific land area allocations to guarantee the county that at the end of the day we allocate and use the land for those employment uses the way the comp plan requires, and simply stated. We must use at least 55% of the land. Now in this case, we're dealing with almost a thousand-acre

55:41projects, so we're talking about over 500 acres of land must be allocated and used for corporate business park, targeted business, or industrial use, the EC preferred use. We then must use at least 20% for residential uses, but they can't be single family detached. So everything has to be multifamily or townhomes to support the employment center. And then finally, we have to use at least 5% for support commercial uses

56:12for the employment center. Uh we are retaining, even though we're a standalone MPUD and we're not opting into connected city, we are retaining from the planning standpoint That urban center. If you look down in the southern third, you see the hashed area. It's on the north and south side of what will be the extension of Tendall Avenue. That square area was designated conceptually in Connecticut City as basically an urban town center. We're still

56:42going to plan that. So we will use some of these multifamily and office and resources. Retail uses to create this town center in the southern portion. virtually everything north of that will be those employment uses all the way up to 52. We are starting development obviously from State Route 52 in the north with that infrastructure coming in. We're working with DOT and the county now. The county's assisting greatly to be sure we've got good access at McKendry and our other primary entrance on 52.

57:14To the extent that we have the residential component, we have inserted the board's current uh monotony control and architectural standards, which you've been seeing for townhome products, the treescaping, the limitations on on-street parking, and the variation and building architecture, those are included. And then lastly, this one is a little easier than a lot of massive MPUDs. Normally you have to wrestle with the transportation mitigation. In this case, we did that first. In this

57:44case, the transportation mitigation was obviously the essence of the economic development agreement because that's a large chunk of that $70 million that we have to spend to build roadways. So the EDA already has all of the transportation and utility mitigation. The access management study was approved incident to that review. And so at this point it's really just implementing the MPD. itself. Uh the only other thing I was going to comment on, but I defer

58:14to Mr. Williams, do you want to you why don't you state your concern first and then I want to volunteer on the record what I promised you that we would tell you.

58:22Good. Thank you. So when I was reviewing it this morning, I noticed something and uh which concerned me, and I called Mr. Two about it. So back when this was came or was being conceptualized back in 2007, the residential entitlements here were about 1,750 units. And then I noticed in this now it's up to thirty five hundred units, which is a considerable impact to schools. And so so

58:52I expressed to Mr. Two my concern. Again, we are not sure. We're not saying we absolutely need a school. But that raises a concern 'cause that would generate probably at least a half an elementary school and Obviously some middle and we're not looking for a high school of course here, but You know, maybe uh elementary or K A might work, but again, we're not sure we need one. But then I called Mr. Two and said Here's my concern, the residential entitlements have doubled. I I at least wanna have some conversation, so And

59:23then Mr. Two was very uh helpful and so go ahead.

59:27And I I promised uh Mr. Williams that I would state on the record and I have conferred with my client, uh the owner. And uh for the record, we understand that concern. Uh I told Mr. Williams that we kind of got the cart ahead of the horse because it's very unusual, as you know, for the development agreement to actually precede the zone. But everybody was in a hurry to get these employment uses off the ground to get infrastructure going. So the short answer is that under the EC future land use, these commitments we've had

59:57to make for minimum land uses, if you add up the minimum percentages, they're 55% for employment, 20% for residential, 5% for support commercial. When you add those up, you're only at 80%. percent So the mandatory minimums under Employment Center only Um consume eighty percent of the land. So the good news, which is what I told Chris, is we have twenty percent of the land area. And again, in this case that's almost 200 acres because it's a

1:00:27a thousand acre project. So we have a lot of land that's not committed to those required employment uses. In particular, down in the urban center, and I discussed this with them, as we're doing in VOPH, the urban center. possibly would be a great location to integrate an urban campus setting, which the school district likes very much now. So one option is we're happy to work with him as we go forward. Once we get to the point of working on the urban center, seeing

1:00:58if he's interested in an urban either K through eight or elementary school site that we could integrate there. Uh and barring that, we also have the land, frankly, from that point southward. Uh everything at the southern end and sp and particularly the stuff down on McKindry there uh that's in brown, that is the current agricultural land that's not subject to EC. Uh a location there on McKendry might be a great place for an elementary or K-8 at the southern end. So

1:01:28we have plenty of land available. I've given him the direct contacts with my client whom I'm introducing to him today. And they're going to stay in touch. And I I told Chris that the client will commit that they're happy to work with the school district as they go forward planning. And if the school district decides they need a site in the southern part of this MPUD, uh we will do everything possible to accommodate and work out terms. uh for that school site. So it will not be an issue for the developer.

1:01:56Okay, thank you. Thank you and I appreciate that, Joel. All right.

1:02:02And we're happy to answer any questions. We're not going to belabor this. Our team is here, can answer any technical question. Mr. Ingle may want to make some comments before we go to public comment. And then if it's acceptable, I'll just reserve any response to public comment if you don't have questions. All right.

1:02:23Mr. Chair, I just I do want to mention for the record that that ex parte communication has been documented with the clerk's office. Okay. And the ex parte communication with other Planning Commission members through email as well.

1:02:36Very good, Brad.

1:02:37Yeah, I just wanted to uh reiterate, I appreciate uh the applicant being willing to look at the school site and and provide what's But the uh just to be clear the county hasn't reviewed the location of school Mm-hmm.

1:02:54Uh County hasn't reviewed the location of the school site as far as consistency with the connected city and other things like that. That wasn't included in our review. So we would need to look at that. We agree that a school is possible in this area somewhere. So we don't have any concerns with that. It's just I don't want to commit to it being in that urban core. right away. We would need to figure out where it works best.

1:03:13Alright. So noted? So noted. All right. So uh David, Ms. Dringle, would you like to speak?

1:03:25Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and Commission Members. David Engel, Office of Economic Growth. I'm the Economic Growth Director. Uh Mr. Two's correct the Board of County Commissioners on June 7th adopted and passed an economic development agreement for this project. It's vitally important for our economic future because it is the heart of the Employment Center area on the I-75 Route 52 employment node. This project will provide the infrastructure, the sp public spine

1:03:55roads and the master utility lines for this property's employment center area, as well as to the east on the other side of McHendry for the Abbey Crossing property. We wanted to make sure that the elements of the Economic Development Agreement were carried through to the MPUD level. And we were involved with your planning staff extensively over the last couple of weeks. And what we did was the following. We made sure that there's ample land to fulfill the four million square foot industrial requirement

1:04:26because it's the linchpin of the EDA. So there's ample land uh uh included on the westerly side of road A. But we did provide some additional optional property for industrial development contiguous on the easterly side in the event the FARs are such where we need additional land. We also made an adjustment to the loom chart, which is I think exhibit A in your package. That loom chart uh reflects the fact that they can't modify or use equivalency

1:04:57Alterations to the industrial area except for up to five hundred thousand square feet of corporate office. Thirdly, the employ the industrial area, the industrial business park, will comply with the provisions of industrial park in the Connected City Overlay Plan. So that is basically the nuts and bolts of the consistency with the EDA. If you have any questions about the project from an economic standpoint, I can answer them. All right. Any questions up here?

1:05:27Thank you, sir.

1:05:28Thank

1:05:28you.

1:05:30Mr. Chair, we do have some folks that have signed up to speak on the matter. The first person that signed up to speak is Lauren Levy.

1:05:37Okay, Ms. Levy, would you like to come forward?

1:05:46Welcome. If you could just say your name and address, please.

1:05:49Good afternoon. My name is Laura Levi, [address removed].

1:05:53Okay, and you've been sworn, right? Mm s levi.

1:05:57Oh.

1:05:57You've been sworn?

1:05:58Yes.

1:05:59Okay.

1:06:01Um good afternoon. Um my family home uh has been there for 50 years now. Uh they built it in 1972 and they built it with their own sweat and blood. Uh my mom did all the insulation, my aunt did all the stonework on the fireplace, my grandfather was the architect of the home. So this is our home. And this is a huge, huge build. And we really just want to make sure that we're protected.

1:06:32The reason I'm expressing all of this to you is to remind you that we are farmers and families who don't know anything else other than our small town. So to have a massive industrial building come in and the population it's going to generate is a huge change to our way of life. The noise pollution, the light pollution, the gas pollution, and as I can see on the map plans for Pasco County cities. The water pollution as well, since the planned mixed-use development is to cut down the cypress trees and build a new road. The reason I mention the cypress trees is because they're

1:07:02helping soak up flood waters, which is important considering we live in Florida, where there's an average of 53.7 inches of rain a year. The cypress is also preventing erosion, not to mention where the cypress trees are located as a water reservoir. which is going to poison our well water, which is our drinking water, our animals drinking water, our bathing water, etc. The Cypress mention might be covered under the Wetlands Preservation Law Executive Order 11990. I work in construction. I am all for growth in communities, but I am concerned for all

1:07:32the wildlife we have here. Gators walk across the property. We have around 50 turkeys that like to hang out for a few hours a day. We have multiple sandhill cranes that come to feed naturally on our property. Think about how a tunnel is being built under I-4 due to one single barrier trying to cross an interstate and how much money that is now costing. How can we equate that into this build? My family and I have done a lot for our communities. My father was a law enforcement officer for 30 years. My uncle was a major for Pasco County Sheriff's Office.

1:08:02My husband, God rest his soul, was a law enforcement officer for 15 years. So protection is ingrained in me. I'm worried. Currently, the law enforcement response time where we are located is a minimum of 40 minutes. How are you going to protect us? We're going are you going to give us camera systems? Are you gonna put an alarm system? But a six foot block wall fence around our property to protect us. No. In May twenty-first, twenty twenty two. Right at Brandon Mall, there was an active

1:08:33shooter. You can't tell me that it's not realistic to think that that situation might happen right across the street from me. So what are you gonna do to protect me? The 3,000 homes that will be built, they know what they are moving into. You are changing our way of life and I wanna know I'm going to be protected. I hope if you do make the decision to rezone you at least find a way to protect us from the criminals that are bound to Rome. Thank you.

1:09:02Can you show us on the map where your property is?

1:09:08Their property is right here.

1:09:10That entire s triangle there?

1:09:13A little triangle right there? And how big is that property?

1:09:18Twenty acres. Okay.

1:09:23Okay. But you did you have any suggestions on how they could Uh protect you? Are you making a suggestions or are you just a few years ago?

1:09:31Um I if they want to build a you know, like I said, a six-foot block wall fence around my twenty acres, you know, that would be great. I mean, there's people constantly hitting my fence as it is now. People are gonna be taking McKendry Road. I have I have to fix my fence every couple of months from someone hitting my fence. There's going to be thousands of people on these roads now and they're going to take McHenry Road just like we all take back roads as it is now to avoid traffic. They're gonna take McKendry Road

1:10:01and people are gonna constantly hit my fence. And like I said, the population it's gonna generate A any anywhere that becomes a heavily populated area, you now have criminals. You know, we don't have people just walking down the road. Now we're going to. I'm gonna have people looking at my house. You know, I It makes me feel very uncomfortable.

1:10:25I might be able to help with that. I'm Brad, by the way, we spoke. Yes. Um Rad typically playing and development. The actual something to consider here is that currently McHenry Road does come right along the front edge of this problem. The realignment for McHenry Road actually moves it over. So that when when this gets to be a more intense area of traffic. It's gonna be farther away from your house. It's not gonna be coming down to the existing liquidry right next to your house.

1:10:50But that would be if the Cypress are able to be cut down because like I said, I think it might be under the Wetlands Preservation Act.

1:11:02All right. Thank you, Brad. Uh all right, thanks very much. Appreciate that. Any other questions up here? I don't for her. No. Okay. All right, and uh was there someone else who wanted to speak to, Red Denise?

1:11:18Yes, the next person is Carol Roth.

1:11:21Okay.

1:11:27Yeah, so I'll take them in here.

1:11:29That's fine. Take your time.

1:11:34No,

1:11:34I can't

1:11:35say that again.

1:11:58Testing? If you want to have a seat and we you can use a handheld mic.

1:12:02I think I'm okay if I can hang on. Okay. I'll let you know if I'm gonna keep it close by. Yeah. Good afternoon. Hang close there, Brad. My name is Carol Roth. I'm the owner of [address removed].

1:12:18And where is that on the map?

1:12:20Where my granddaughter showed you.

1:12:22Oh, the same place, okay.

1:12:24Right. Uh

1:12:28When we came into this area It was beautiful and peaceful. It was serene. We've seen changes over the years, but we never lost the peacefulness and serenity. Now progress comes. And it has. But we're not going to be able to do Have changed with it. I feel it is the obligation of Pasco County government To protect me. And my land And

1:12:58my environment As you allow for growth. for business and other people.

1:13:05I've lived there over fifty years. I built that home. And I've enjoyed what I have. I've enjoyed its inherent beauty. I don't know if people around here are familiar with World Pasco. But it's a distinct beauty. I am reassured that I was not sure. That the FFWC has allowed for nesting habitats for the local species and are protecting the nesting areas

1:13:35for the kestrels, sand cranes, wading birds. I'm also encouraged that they're going to find and protect and relocate the gophers. But these are immediate needs. What's the county doing for long term protection for when our wildlife migrates? We have wildlife that comes south. that nests in that area. What have you done to protect them? Also, my property has a variance that allows

1:14:06for Power gliders. According to the uh v uh according to the zoning standards Aircraft and helicopter landing fields, subject to approval by the Federal Aviation Administration, and compliance with appropriate state and local laws provide that no aircraft landing field, or helicopter pad shall be located within a hundred feet from

1:14:36the closest property line of a school that provides a curriculum of elementary or secondary academy instruction, and middle or high schools. Also, no parachute drops. You mentioned, Commissioner, that you were concerned about education with this influx of children. Well they're gonna want education. What's gonna happen to my variants when they find out can't put the school there? 'Cause it's right in your own zoning code. So

1:15:07the I have many concerns. I don't want to bore you with all of them. But I feel like Quite frankly. that changing the Kendry Road to Boyette, however you want to do it. I own a business on that road. I'm a pr I'm a psychologist. I get m checks in the mail from insurance companies. I'm sorry, just let me continue a second. Go ahead. I get checks in the mail from insurance companies. I have no way

1:15:37of I even would have to change my Medicare standard. because of a change of address. There's federal law regarding that. This would be such a burden for me to go from [address removed] to [address removed]. It'd be impossible for me to Even notify everybody. So I I'm I'm questioning the need. to change that name. If you want to name something Boyette, Put it in the development.

1:16:08Why change the road I'm on? So in p in in conclusion, quite frankly. I'm asking you, how are you protecting me? What are you doing for the people that are there now? because we're gonna be the ones suffering the impact. I'm not against growth. I'm not against progress. Everybody has a right to move on. But I am against

1:16:36The impact Of this type of project without the Commission taking into consideration that yes it's gonna bring in taxes, yes it's gonna bring in jobs, yes you're gonna make a lot of money out of it. But what happens to the little people who own twenty acres? Right across the street. How are we gonna protect my house from crime? As my granddaughter said, my fence gets broken Every other I'd say four or

1:17:06five months apart. from speeders going down that road 'cause McKendry is a straight run. And then my house is the curve. So how are you gonna protect me? Are you gonna put up a wall there, so They don't hit me? I've been asking for years for the county's help on that. I've even asked them to put a buffer and they refused. So what are you gonna do? If since you haven't helped me in the past, how are you gonna help me now? That's

1:17:36my question.

1:17:38All right, thank you. Do you have any questions uh for this young lady? Questions? Thank you very much.

1:17:45You're welcome. Come Ziva this way. Come this way.

1:17:57Hi, uh Brad Tippen, uh Planning Development. Just wanted to speak a little bit to that. This is the same property uh that we spoke about before. Uh there is a zoning action on that property, uh, but that zoning action did take into consideration Connected City and the type of development that's expected in Connected City. Uh so the we we don't anticipate that there are going to be any conflicts with the issue as far as the landing field that they have based on what they have in in their uh it's conditional use I believe correct um so that that's been addressed

1:18:27already uh as far as the road uh as like I was mentioning before the actual road realigns so the bulk of the traffic will actually be going farther away from this property Uh so more of the through traffic that would be that faster traffic that she's speaking of would probably be offset from this property in the future. Um just Based on the the

1:18:51current and what about the renaming, Brad?

1:18:53Uh the renaming, David, would you like to speak to the renaming? Sure. He puts it much more succinctly than I can.

1:19:00Uh thank you, David Engel, Pasco County again. Uh we've had a request about the naming renaming from Boyette. and th the county administrator has directed that that road be concluded Yeah.

1:19:14from State Road fifty two south to O um Overpass Road so it won't be changed in this area. So she'll still have the McKendry address? Yes, sir. Thank you.

1:19:29Mr. Chairman Mariano. Yeah. I mean or Denise or Brad. I mean certainly as that develops there certainly are buffer buffer regulations for whether it be landscapes, et cetera, et cetera.

1:19:41Um maybe Mr. T could come up and talk about the buffering. And I think that's uh a critical part for as far as they're concerned. Yes

1:19:49sir. As as Mr. Williams just alluded to, well first of all As I said, we're going to start development from the north. This is probably a 10 to 15 year build-out. But as we get to the southern extreme in that flex area, we can't even say today what use would be there. I mean, we can all stand here and look at it and say most likely your residential is going to be in the southern part. So the odds are extremely high that we will have residential uses in the southern part. Part uh south of the

1:20:20urban center, which certainly will be compatible with surrounding residential uses. But but regardless of as we come in with site plan and preliminary plan review, the land development code will specify those setbacks, the buffers, you know, the landscaping, the distance, depending on our use. And obviously, we can't put an incompatible use next to them without buffering. that in accordance with the code. And most importantly, the best thing in my view that can happen to them if they really want to keep their 20

1:20:50acres and their enclave and stay there and not redevelop or self-redevelopment. If they just choose to stay there, the best thing for them is that the county's master roadway plan and the Connecticut Master Roadway plan, it dictates that alignment that we're showing for New McKinley. So the good news is it's actually going to get pushed completely away from their property. They will have land. Between that road and them to actually buffer them from the new roadway, and their part of that will essentially

1:21:20become. not a private road, but let's just say a secondary road that's only there to serve those existing properties. So I think the road realignment is a is a great help to them if they wish to just keep their their enclave. And yes, we will have to buffer in accordance with land development code depending on what use and Brad's team obviously will enforce that when we come in for site plans.

1:21:44Yeah. So what we're saying is that um Mm-hmm. That'd be a secondary opportunity for them to to review what you want to do there and have their input in terms of buffering.

1:21:55Absolutely. And well we know that use. I mean this developer obviously intends on being a good neighbor and we'll work with anyone that that stays there and is affected to to work on compatible uses and buffering and keep everyone happy. Um we're a long way from being to any site plant on the southern part of this property. I mean literally year years away.

1:22:15Like you said, probably ten or fifteen years from now.

1:22:18Yes, sir. And I do just note for the record, I understand that they have their enclave there, and I certainly respect that. But from the planning standpoint, again, the county put Employment Center future land use on this land 15-20 years ago. And only five years ago, the county adopted the Connected Cities Master Plan. And their property is in the Connected Cities Master Plan. property actually is designated as part of the business core. in the Connecticut

1:22:49Master Plan. So They don't have to develop You know, every the way that works is it's an opt-in plan. But if they do opt in, they can actually avail themselves of business core density in terms of future value if they ever decide to sell or develop. But they don't have to. But that plan dictates we we're only doing frankly what the ad adopted comp plan requires us to do at this point. But we'll do everything we can to buffer any of those inter m uses

1:23:19uh around us. We we understand and respect that.

1:23:22Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And I'm sure you'll be happy to share your business card with those people. Okay. Thank you, Joe.

1:23:30Mr. Chair, um the last person that is signed up, but you may want to call if there is any others, um, Kim Britt, or that's what it looks like it says here.

1:23:40Thank you. I am the daughter of the previous woman and the mother of Lauren Levi. [address removed] and I too have sworn in. So and I appreciate you taking the time to listen to the third family member of this home. And I had a prepared item. I did want to address the fact that regardless that the southern part of this property won't

1:24:10be developed. For 15 years, whatever is happening on the north part will still have an impact on us as far as traffic, construction, and so forth. So, but on the whole part, I do want to address The light pollution that's going to be created from what I can understand will be 55% industrial construction,

1:24:433,500 multi-purpose homes in 15 years, with 1.9 cars. I don't know how that works. So, but you can say approximately 4,500 cars in that neighborhood. Street lighting for the new roads, 300-room hotel, plus the other proposed additions. All this illumination will make us lose something as central as we lose access to the night sky. The sense of stillness

1:25:13and awe. Will have an in s a significant impact on the enjoyment of our property. I'll address noise pollution. Noise pollution is unwanted or disturbing sound in the environment that affects the health and well being of humans and other living organisms. They mentioned that they are going to buffer En en move the road. but it's still going to have a deep impact on the sound. Right now

1:25:44We hear the animals, you know, do not hear the traffic going up and down or in that area. the traffic on McKendry Road may right now is only like fifty cars, but they I apologize. They they say that they're gonna m move uh the road, so I can't even say that the traffic will have a big impact on us at this time. But uh and I

1:26:15don't know how where Boyette's gonna cut off and McKendry Road will start and how that's going to work. So I appreciate that we're gonna get a business card because I'd like to sit down and have them explain exactly all those drawings I've watched and seen on these properties. But I'd like to reiterate that the light noise pollution and the increased traffic generated will have an a profound

1:26:46impact on our property. And as growth increases and our daughter And I know from crime, uh, it's going to expose our property and something does need to be done to help us.

1:27:02Okay, any questions? Thank you. Comments. Okay. Well thank you very much for coming. Sharing. Mm-mm. Right. Does the applicant have any uh other comments to make? Okay, Mr. Ingle, anything? No sir. Okay. All right. So any further discussion up here, any motions?

1:27:30Well, that means I've lived in Pasco County for almost my entire life. Moved here at the age of six.

1:27:41And I understand. And out where you live was nowhere. And in some ways it's still nowhere. But unfortunately it's not going to be nowhere forever.

1:27:55Then we can't stop We can't stop Tampa from expanding northward.

1:28:03It's going to bring a lot of jobs.

1:28:07Probably desperately needed jobs.

1:28:11But I understand I live on property too. And I won't pay for the street lights to be on in my neighborhood because I like the night sky too. But I can't guarantee That the next hundred acre tract over. Well the one after that's not gonna get built on I don't own it.

1:28:31So I know it's tough and I you know Government has to make decisions sometimes too. They plan a new roadway. Sometimes it goes right through somebody's living room. Ruin somebody else's backyard. I look at what US nineteen was through Pinellas County years ago. And now it's this limited access highway with all these on and off ramps and all those businesses that were located alongside the road are now out of business because this road New

1:29:02road took 'em out.

1:29:05But I don't think there's anything we can do to stop that kind of growth. The population continues to grow. The people up north keep coming. And from the looks of things it looks like they're gonna keep coming.

1:29:20And at least in my mind

1:29:24Being located at the intersection of a major interstate highway. is a logical place for growth to be Expected.

1:29:35And I agree with mister Too, it's probably going to be a long time before it actually gets far enough south to affect your property directly. But inevitably it's coming. And I guess someday probably my own property will get affected too, but We have to move on. Joel, when's the first site plan? anticipated. You said maybe years before we get down to that end. Just curious of the timing. I saw some things

1:30:06in the agreement that had twenty twenty four deadlines on them?

1:30:11Uh correct, Mr. Moody Joel too, for the applicant. Uh under the EDA, we're actually obligated to proceed as soon as possible with design plans, engineering, and permitting. So I think the answer to that is as soon as they can get phase one plans and permits through Mr. Tippin's office. They certainly hope to start that northern end of the property coming off of 52 next year to start site work on the north end uh at the extreme north end. Reconfiguring

1:30:42the McKendry intersection with 52. We're working with DOT now and Flying J to reconfigure those access points just east of the interstate. Which are a little bit messed up right now even with the new construction. Uh so we're gonna try to we're trying to fix all that. So the short answer is next year we hope to get permits to at least start site infrastructure with uh the phase one roads and utilities ad we promised uh Mr. Ingall and the County Commission. But just just that northern

1:31:12third, let's say, is is kind of the swath of phase one is is roughly the northern third of that property.

1:31:21All right.

1:31:27I mean I'll I'll echo what John just said. I mean obviously you know growth is coming Um the fortunate part is it it's planned growth. It's growth that's give been given a lot of thought. There are things out there that, you know, obviously we talked about the relocation of the road. You also have all the environmental regulations, all the development regulations. We talked briefly about buffering Um Brad's office spends a lot of time giving developers and engineers a hard time with everything they want to do out there. Um So I I it's it's you know, again, growth's

1:31:57coming Um fortunately it's it's gonna be it's been planned for and it's been planned for for years. Um Just It's it's it's inevitable. So, at

1:32:07least at least at this Stage in time. We plan for the growth. When I came here as a child there was no plan for growth. And in some ways we suffer some of the consequences of not having any plan for growth. So We may not like some of the growth, but at least this is planned and is being done in an organized fashion. There's been thought put into roadways, utilities, and making sure that we have jobs

1:32:38to support all those rows of homes that we may see in the future.

1:32:46Anything else? Chris, any comment?

1:32:47Well, just ditto um what uh John and Jamie said. Uh I don't know that I beat Mr. Gray, but My family's been here for five generations in Pasco County, so Um That's a long time. Uh, my family's been here when there was literally hardly anybody here and so it's hard to see growth. I mean, I live in the Dade City area, my family's from there and It's hard to see it coming, but, you know, I can't dictate what My neighbor. um

1:33:18decides they want to do with the property. Now certainly we have input into how to you know, make sure it's compatible and things like that. And that's what that's what we as a body try to do. And try to do it to the best of our ability. But um Again, these are all difficult things, but again folks have a right to develop their property as as the market you know, dictates and one day my kids will probably sell the land I'm on for And and And uh Take that money

1:33:48and do something good for them. So anyway, very difficult. Necessary.

1:33:57Well thank you. I think I think these are all good good comments and obviously uh you know, everybody up here is concerned about the, you know, lifestyles of the people that have lived here for For many years. You know as Mr Williams alluded to I've lived here all my life and my father before me so and my grandfather before him. So Um, we're aware of keenly aware of growth and how it affects uh areas that we once thought were gonna be

1:34:27that way forever. And uh Unfortunately. Um It does uh just doesn't happen eventually. There's gonna be growth. I mean they I guess they thought the same thing when they uh uh when they developed Fort Brook, which is now Tampa. Um So um It's just something that we have to deal with, we have to plan for it. We have to try to protect the people as best we can with buffering and and the way we d design the roads and and all the things

1:34:57that have been considered and I think this has been well thought out by m you know, by this developer, Mr Ingle and in Pasco County. Um it's gonna be a lot of benefit. They th there's there's gonna be downside as far as you're concerned because of the because of the de g the growth, but the upside is at some stage you may want to sell that property and when you do It's gonna be worth a lot more money. Because of it. So uh Um

1:35:29So there's a light at the end of the tunnel. I know that That doesn't make you feel all warm and fuzzy, but Um, at least it is a positive. So um Anyway, with that being said, I think we're ready to make a motion. Are we?

1:35:47I'll make a motion for approval.

1:35:48Second. Okay, so we have a motion to approve. And we have a second, any further discussion of the motion. If not, all in favor signify by saying aye.

1:35:59Aye.

1:35:59Aye. Opposed, like sign. Okay, the motion carries. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Till. Thank you, David.

1:36:12Yes, ma'am.

1:36:12So I'm wondering if we should probably 'cause we do have a lot of folks in the Out here and I'm wondering if they're here for items that have already been discussed.

1:36:24Well, is there anybody here that planned to speak that hadn't and had an opportunity to speak about something that we've already talked about.

1:36:31So the only two items that are left on the agenda right now are auto dealers and the um the changes to the flood ordinance.

1:36:43Okay. I figured we you know we might lose a few people. Do you mind bringing my

1:36:58So if if there's anybody that plans to speak Should be the opportunity to come up front here where you can Get to the microphone.

1:37:09Oh, that's eight P M. I messed up.

1:37:12Okay.