Starkey report landscaping signs fencing glitch bills

35:42And that is to move it to July ninth, if I'm not mistaken. July twenty four. Okay. I got a motion and second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Motion passed four zero. That ends our public hearing. Now we uh moved back to ordinary business and we left off with Ms. Starkey.

36:03Yes, all right.

36:04Who's gonna finish in a couple minutes?

36:08I am um so on that landscaping program, I just want you to know so far we've logged in, I think this is these are kind of old numbers actually. These are from June, so they've continued on. We have a month more, but Um 145 total cases, 67 are in compliance.

36:29are in uh have received a citation Um fifteen of those are working to come into compliance with the county attorney's office. Twenty-one were closed administratively, nine are currently in warning status, and nine are pending on receiving plants. Um and I think some of those ones that were closed have to be opened back up because the th they were an error on not citing um businesses who are cutting trees into little lollipops and little pyramids because

36:59they're supposed to be trees not little pyramids so they they've got to go back to those. Also we made it really easy for the businesses We said if you can't if you can't find your site plan And um you can instead of using the original landscape plan, you can just use the current one, um, which I think we've improved upon. So um So that that makes it easy for them and also we have landscaping grants available that are are matching grants. So I want to put that out there to

37:29industry. And uh business says that We are here to here to help you. Uh along that line I've been meeting with people in the sign industry. And um When a when when you have a strip center, say, and it's an old strip center, and w and we actually had this at the Holiday Mall. Uh MUG and 19 that Mark Goldbought. If you have a non-conforming sign And you have a tenant

38:00who wants to put a new wall sign on the building, they cannot put a sign up until they've taken down their non-conforming sign. Um so uh We want to make that a little easier for businesses. I still believe in that rule. We're getting we've gotten a lot of signs down. Um But but it does make a bit of a hardship for some of the businesses that have moved in and are reliant on the um land. the the property owner to get that done in a timely fashion. So Um

38:30this is language from the county attorney's office from my meeting with them and and and people in the side business yesterday. We want to request staff to consider making an amendment to the non-conforming sign provisions to allow signs on site. while the non-conforming sign is being taken down. So if if there is a plan to take the old non conforming sign down. We wanna and they've signed an agreement that it will be coming down. We want to let the businesses go

39:00ahead and get their wall site. So I it's very pro business, so I figured you guys would be okay with that. I also wanna

39:08bring back an amendment to the ordinance to the right-of-way. Yeah,

39:10they'll bring it back under one of those glitch deals. Um I I also wanna um publicize that we do also uh through our economic um development office have money available for companies who want help want or need help in changing those signs out that are on the street. So there are grants available we 'cause we we we Wanna encourage um that cleanup and so So uh People may not know that we're in the process of making

39:40a brochure. So that the uh companies know what resources are available to them.

39:47If Would you be opposed if If we're gonna kinda run a quote unquote glitch bill on signs Could we do that with fences? particularly around with chain linking the industrial properties that we've run in challenges with. kind of run those parallel with each other.

40:08What's what's the problem

40:10Uh Kabala, help me articulate this.

40:16I think the issue is some industrial folks have complained that ornamental fences aren't exactly pragmatic to their to their business. And that things like chain link provide added security, stability, and things like that for certain types of businesses.

40:29Well, uh chain link doesn't provide any security. You climb right over that.

40:33Yeah.

40:34More for visual.

40:35visual and it's sturdier, it doesn't blow in a rainstorm. and it's less of a expense. on the business. When we change the rules There's b there's several businesses and our office was contacted and we've run them through Um our bureaucracy On trying to figure out a way Uh fix it. And the fences were there before they were on the property but because the business changed use Those businesses got hemmed up

41:06in our new rules and they had to go through uh pre app site plan they had to hire land use attorneys Um and the cases that came to us chain link made perfect sense. instead of white PVC or or vinyl fence. And it was one of these issues where the one size fits all captured certain businesses where that type of of safety product, if you will, just didn't make sense. And

41:38You bring this up kind of brings back an opportunity if you'd be amenable to it. to open it back up and have staff take a look to try to be more flexible. With our finch rules there.

41:50So

41:51if we can run them together.

41:52Okay. Um How about if it's um if they if there's a special exception, so it's not everybody. That it's coded. And it doesn't have barbed wire on it. Because we don't want barbed wire.

42:03Yeah, bar barbed wire is not wasn't the can is was not the concern. They weren't want they were wanting the higher fence so they could see in potentially mess m have the fen like landscape they weren't necessarily even opposed to the landscape. No, they have to have landscape. It was the the the s the the quality of the fencing to protect What they have inside of there and then in a windstorm it doesn't blow away it could keep I mean these are work sites keeping whatever blowing away? No. No, no, there's there's several.

42:32I guess I'd be okay uh if uh they came in and asked because I don't want to just blanket. Um

42:37No it would be surgical, kind of like what you're doing here with your

42:40surgical.

42:42And maybe um you know Mm make sure we have very good landscaping. So we're going to be able to do that. So this is only on collector, arterial, and important roads in the county. It's not on every road. We're just trying to get away from Bob Wire and Chain Link on our main assets. So

43:02So we'd need the in the motion to run these kind of glitch bill scenarios in tandem?

43:07Yeah well one is the L D C and one is

43:11We normally run glitches together anyway. It's a package. If the if the board's direction is to to deal with that previous amendment defenses and refine it a little more for certain businesses. I think staff can do that.

43:32for my team mu more than Denise, but I think that I don't think that that's a problem.

43:37Denise here. Uh huh. But Pavala, you're familiar with the cases I've seen of we've talked about, right?

43:45Are they large parcels? Is that why they're objecting to the vertical metal fence? I missed that last part, Commissioner. Are they like larger parcels? Because we're not going to be able to do that.

43:55I mean what you're suggesting is a special exception and maybe we can work and craft. language that would provide relief to a

44:05Because it currently we don't have the flexibility whatsoever and there's mounting penalties from code enforcement and et cetera, and it's to to me it's a bit a bit much.

44:18Just you know I I'm look at I drive by that site on um Rowan. You might know it. Rowan and Pereen Ranch Road. all the time, chain length, bob wire, and now they, you know, it's supposed to be a visual barrier, so they've got that green fabric on it. That should never have been in that place at the begin at the first place, but it's at the entrance to nature's hideaway. And um it's very, very inappropriate to be out in front of a neighborhood on

44:48a major collector like that. So Um Under Would be selective. Um Certainly no bob wire. But I'll give into the coated and maybe some kind of extra landscaping.

45:01Yeah the the on

45:02larger parcels.

45:03Yeah, the sites that I'm referencing these businesses the this fencing has been there for

45:12Probably a decade or more. Uh uh. Uh because it was a change in use? they had they've been put through the the fencing ringer. Uh it's been a learning experience. So I figure it's a

45:24Is it on forty one? Okay, 'cause gos I hope we get that road cleaned up before while we're trying to woo international companies.

45:34So I'll I'll s I'll second Commissioner Starkey's amended motion. I guess you have to amend your motion to advances in for the

45:41Glenn's

45:42what's the emotion now?

45:45Well we'll see it in the glitch bill. Um Will you brief us before the language before? How does that work? What me what should the motion be? I don't I don't know if it's a motion. I think it's just board direction actually. Mm.

45:59We would we I think that I think we'd like a motion basically that staff uh that the board is authorizing staff to proceed with adding fencing and the limited issue on fencing and the limited issue on signs as the commissioners have described. to the next to the next round of glitch bills. Second. L D C. Thank you,

46:24Commissioner Starkey.

46:25Motion second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay, motion passed 4-0. Uh Denise is in. Oh.

46:34We're done. Were you done? Did you need us? Did we do okay?

46:41I I was talking to a customer, so if you if you told me what we were talking about, that would be great.

46:46Oh well we just added a little work for you. Oh no problem. On signs, a little glitch on the signs and a little glitch on fencing.

46:55Um

46:57I'm completely familiar with the glitch on the signs. What is a glitch on fencing?

47:05Oh no chain link? Electric and

47:08archirals.

47:09That there are certain exceptions that For

47:12with conditions. Um Coated, extra landscaping and not a big parcel.

47:20Yeah. What are you doing?

47:23Wow, we'll look into this meeting today.

47:28Were you there?

47:29I think so. I reserve my right to remember something. I reserve my right to

47:34remember something.