PC4 PDD-23-0401 Crossings at Sun Lake future land use map

1:56:56Mr. Ch Mr. Chair, for this next item, PC four, do you want a full presentation on the matter or do you just want questions answered? Just questions answered. Okay. We do have um Amy Toll on the line to answer any questions. If you want a full presentation, Mr. Zodian is here to do that.

1:57:12Okay. So my only question I think Mr. Mooney may have others, but my only question was why What is the proposed use say light industrial flux?

1:57:23And I was informed that that was a typo. It should say whatever the zoning category would permit subject to the restrictions, the voluntary restrictions, the development.

1:57:34So the proposed use is commercial uses.

1:57:36Yes.

1:57:37C2 uses basically. Yes. Subject to the restrictions that that are outlined in the memo.

1:57:44Yeah, sir.

1:57:46Okay. So But if we make a motion to approve that, it would be would you change any agenda to put the descriptive uses there? Absolutely. Okay. That was my only question, Mr. Mini,

1:57:59because of

1:57:59the

1:57:59I don't have an objection to this case. I don't even actually have a question. I just have a comment because I'm seeing this come through on every commercial rezoning. There appears to be a blacklist. of C two uses. Standalone car washes, pre owned vehicle sales or leasing, cabinet, carpentry, plumbing, electrical, mechanical, welding, machines, sheet metal, or other similar trade shops, Warehousing and general storage, including mini warehouse self-storage, boat RV storage, vehicle or equipment

1:58:29garage, auto repair. I use every one of these things. People use every one of these things. And if we start blacklist blacklisting them everywhere, where are they to go? Every one of these things that comes through in Connected City has this same restriction in it. And how big is how many square miles is Connected City? That means people are going the whole idea of this is you're gonna live, work, and walk all over, and now you're actually forcing people to drive miles and miles and miles to get these services that they can't get because we've blacklisted

1:59:00them out of their neighborhood, because there's some perception that they might be overbuilt. And I'll acknowledge to you, I'm tired of seeing car washes on every vacant lot too. But that doesn't mean we're we're here planning for things twenty years in the future. It doesn't mean it's gonna be that way twenty years from now.

1:59:20I agree with you, and markets should dictate that as well, as to how many car washes there should be

1:59:25The number of car washes isn't a land use problem, it's a lending problem. Financing. It can

1:59:31be a land use problem as well, I think. Contemplate providing more stringent landscaping for those, they may begin to uh fade away.

1:59:41Oh. Well if that's the case they sh then the zoning code should be changed in my opinion.

1:59:48Okay. Well but I I don't I mean I tend to agree with you. I don't think it's necessarily an issue but

1:59:54I so it's I'm not against the case. I have no intention of voting no against this case. It's just a comment. I see this coming through on all of the rezoning and I think we need to be very careful. Whether we're gonna drive gas powered cars or we're gonna drive electric cars. There's still gonna be car dealerships that we need to go buy these things from and if we prohibit all car dealerships, where are we to get the cars?

2:00:19So Mr. Midy, I think Carvana

2:00:22Oh that's a vending machine.

2:00:23Yeah, to be fair, I think you may be painting too broad of a brush. I I'm not sure this particular case warrants this restriction, but Yeah. And some of the ones that you're seeing, they're coming in as with the sort of compact, walkable type commercial or mudderum type projects where Staff has determined these uses are not compact, walkable, retail uses. Now, that being said, I'm not sure this particular one. isn't a mudder room compact walkable community and it so

2:00:53but I don't know staff's reasoning for the restriction here, but My point is that I don't think you could say that all that all commercials the same. Um 'cause there is some commercial where it's It's coming in a certain form. to maybe to get certain incentives, maybe to you know meet a certain development style.

2:01:13I understand your your point.

2:01:15Okay.

2:01:15That was

2:01:16good.

2:01:16All right, is there anybody in the audience that's here to speak on this one?

2:01:23I see no one.

2:01:24And for the record there's no one signed up on WebEx. All right.

2:01:27So then do I hear have an emotion?

2:01:31What number is this? I'll make a motion to approve with the revision David noted.

2:01:36Second. Okay. Motion and second. Any further discussion on the motion? If not, uh all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye, like opposed, like, sign. Okay.