County administrator closing remarks and walk-on items

2:01:05Thank you. Uh first board I appreciate all the accolades towards the team here. I know it's it's certainly appreciated and they they know you support them, so I thank you for that. Three three really quick things. First, Commissioner Weightman, to your earlier points and your comments, I think it was very, very thoughtful conversation, and you're right, it is a sticky wicket when it comes to uh approved development and and those things on the books. However, I would just like to Remind the board too that we have the stormwater master plan that is underway. Mr. Mickle and I spoke extensively during the during the

2:01:35course of the storms about accelerating the pace of of that to try to get answers and projects on the books that hopefully we will be able to bond in the future to To make real real progress. But also I wonder, and I'm just I'm just kind of throwing this out to the board here, is that there are a number of stormwater regulations, Swift MUD regulates and things out there, if it would be good to perhaps use one of our workshop sessions to sit down and talk about stormwater regulations, what's out there and educate and and you

2:02:06know, learn because as times change and things evolve, you know, I'm I'm looking at living shorelines as examples of things that are resiliency projects, and you know, perhaps the new normal is shifting in terms of strength and severity of storms, and it's just an opportunity to have a conversation and education and and perhaps throw new ideas out there to talk about Because as you point out, Commissioner, I do think this is something that does take years to evolve, but and that evolution has to start somewhere. So perhaps that is something the board may be interested in, and if so, happy

2:02:36to try to facilitate that.

2:02:38Ms. Chairman Mariano.

2:02:40Yeah, I think I think

2:02:41it's a

2:02:41great idea.

2:02:41I I think and and when you talked and Commissioner Weightman, I'm glad you brought it 'cause This is a great time to get information like you'll never get again. And this may be the extreme of everything, but at least you know from the core you can look at. I mean I when I first started, every time we looked, it was after four 2004, I looked at every every zoning was coming in, I was looking at what flooded, what didn't. Every single time it came on then finally we I think it uh things got addressed fairly well. But I think it's really good to look at it because literally uh going out to that Krella Drive, I encourage all of you to go there. When I look at that site and

2:03:12I have this engineer telling me how this is okay and this can be protected. When they don't factor in any of the Uh purvus that can absorb the water and now that's gonna be gone and I'm gonna have a few hundred homes in there, creating more impervious. It's gonna come, it's gonna come quick on a rapid storm. I I I I don't buy the formula that they're gonna be okay. And for them to be able to raise the road on one side, go to the other side, it's something really we need to like pay attention like never before. Because I think I know we've all heard

2:03:42it. Yeah, heard about from probably people from Erin cut off. You know, too much going on, too much going on. We can make it all work. extreme events are gonna be blown up, but we at least we gotta make sure we're d making every event we can. to the minimal. And I'm just saying from what I saw what this engineer was telling me, he says he's justified. I'm gonna have my team look at it. Our team look at it. But I I requ I I suggest you guys look at it too. But I think it's a great idea, Mike.

2:04:06I appreciate what you're saying and and the fact is, and Mike knows this too, that GIS reports on on where we are right now with the waters and the floodwaters. Uh we're taking note of that and we've we're taking pictures to know where it's at. So that's gonna help us in the future. I think so. With a lot of things 'cause we haven't seen water at this height.

2:04:26Sorry. Okay. Thank you, sir. Uh the last last two items. I don't think I necessarily need a motion, but other than just maybe some tacit head nods on a letter, I'd like to send um work with Jeff's team to pen a letter to uh state Florida Department of In uh of Emergency Management, kind of just codifying our understanding of certain actions that we've taken with. with solid waste and debris management in terms of our contracts. We'd just like to pin it uh just to make sure we've we've kind of sent our our understanding forward to the state

2:04:56uh with regards to that, just have it signed by the chair. Unless there's something you think of the Yeah

2:05:00you you'd need a motion to authorize the chair to sign the letter to Right, Mr. Guthrie.

2:05:05In that case, I would I would seek a motion to have this letter that we've pinned and I'll get a copy of it to all of you to it's basically factual documentation of what we've understood through conversations with the state regarding some of our debris uh contracts. So

2:05:17moved pain a motion.

2:05:18So moved.

2:05:19Mr. Maryland. Yep. I got a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Motion pass 5-0. Next thing.

2:05:28Thank you, sir. And this the last one is is more of a walk-on agenda item. You have a copy of this there. It's it's file number C D 250023, delegation of authority to execute satisfaction of mortgages. So um On November 1st, we are slated to close on the CARES facility in Dade City. Right. The board recently approved that in August. You've also approved $1.3 million from the state, which will take over

2:05:58to complete construction of that. There are still a number of liens on the property that need to be cleared. So in order for CARES to clear those liens, they are selling another asset, their facility on Um So they have some liquidity to go ahead and and pay off those liens among other business debts. The county does hold sublines through some former C B D G um mortgages that are on the clock tower facility. Uh one for two hundred and sixty thousand, which dates back to two thousand

2:06:28six, a couple of recent ones for thirty thousand, but um those were those were federally donated dollars. I think the the the purpose of those mortgages has been satisfied and I'm I'm basically asking uh the authority be delegated to me to satisfy those mortgages. Uh that way those encumbrances can be released and we can move on with the closing.

2:06:47Mr. Chairman Mariano So I saw I saw that and I wanted to I'm glad we're discussing it because I I didn't I don't know if I'm really fully comfortable with just forgiving it as you're I think it's as you're saying. To wave it.

2:06:59I'm not even sure that's legal.

2:07:02So we go ahead, Kathy. All right. So what we're looking to do is on the mortgages for for the cares in in Clark Tower, though we're not looking to get paid on it? To forgive it?

2:07:12So we don't own the building at Clock Towers, but we do have these liens on it. And in order for us to close on the other property over in Dade City, They need to pay these liens off and so they're using some of the sale money to pay these liens off and therefore we are going to forgive these on them. So

2:07:34Wait, can can you not use they? Can you not use pronouns so I'm I'm clear?

2:07:38CARES.

2:07:39CARES, we're buying a building from CARES in Dade City.

2:07:43No, this is the this is the building that was That

2:07:47they didn't get that we got?

2:07:49That they transfer are going to be transferring to us to complete it for a senior center. Okay, which building has the mortgages on it? The clock tower has this particular C D B G mortgages on it.

2:08:01But the C D B whatever. Um My understanding from using though getting those grants is they have to be it has to be used in for the same purpose.

2:08:16Um I'm I'm not Marcy, maybe you can come to the other. I mean

2:08:20we have a C D B G grant on AMS Gilles and if we ever sell that building, it has to go to be used for the same purpose.

2:08:28This was I think we have eighteen years on it right now. So it isn't a full two sixty, I think. When you say

2:08:34we, do you mean the C D B G

2:08:36grant still has

2:08:37the county? Yes. The county. The C D B G County. Okay, and who and we're buying out that grant? on the clock tower? That's

2:08:46Mr. Mr. Chairman.

2:08:47It's not

2:08:47making sense. If I let me let me let me try.

2:08:51Okay.

2:08:52They ran into trouble in the senior center. The state asked us to take it over Dade City. In Dade City. Right. Take it over. Right. It is lean to the hilt. They are trying to sell clock tower to pay off those liens, otherwise those liens become yours.

2:09:10Okay, but to the with the C D B G grants, those have restrictions on them.

2:09:17That's true. That the the court

2:09:20so Mar Marcy can you can come up and explain, but she can waiver these with the Board of County Commissioners direction. We can waiver these. Otherwise we're gonna have to go through the court process.

2:09:30Oh I didn't not to release you can

2:09:32waive those.

2:09:32I haven't ever heard her say that. I thought that was a federal thing.

2:09:38Marcy Gesberg, Director of Community Development. So the mortgages that we put on any C D B G grant over a certain amount uh is part of the way we do business here in Pasco County. It is not a HUD requirement. We do it because uh that's the way our our office has been funded for years and we turn the money back into the community so that it could continue to be used for low and moderate income

2:10:08persons. So uh so the board has the right to forgive those. Uh so you know th so yes, the restrictions that are on the building in Clock Tower are just the same as you would have seen on the AMS. And so that's why this is coming to the board is because the then the board has the right to say, we'll forgive Okay. I never heard that we could forgive

2:10:37Mr. Chairman Mariano. Yes, sir. I mean I have a problem putting both of these together. So let's talk about just Dade City first. So Dade City We took over the building. Did we take over the liens too? We haven't

2:10:51taken it over at all.

2:10:57So we can take the building over on November 1st, free and clear.

2:11:02So let's talk about why we do these two separate transactions.

2:11:05So we are not so yet to answer your first question, we have not taken over yet. The board has agreed to the sale and purchase agreement. That was back in August to purchase or to take over the facility. That transfer comes with all of these liens. The state went through a special appropriation to provide one point three million to the county uh to complete the construction, essentially, of of the facility. And pay the liens? The liens are separate. No. The liens were not part of the calculus.

2:11:40So

2:11:44Yeah. And so, you know, if if they don't sell the clock tower facility, I will tell you this, they w again, they will likely end up in bankruptcy, that this was discussed previously. Uh if they end up in bankruptcy, then all assets become part of the bankruptcy proceedings in the court, and you probably won't see the CARES facility in Dade City. coming to us as well because they can do a I think a ninety day look back I think too. Right. So we'll we'll be stuck in this. The most expedient thing at this point is to forgive the liens, is to forgive the mortgages and move on

2:12:14so we can accomplish the the um Uh I don't like it. You don't have to like it, but it's it's quite honestly the most pragmatic thing to do under the circumstances. Yeah.

2:12:25Yeah, it's it's not something you have to do, but I would not advise closing on the senior center in Dade City. Unless those liens are Cleared. 'Cause you inherit more liability than you do Getting rid of that. So those

2:12:43getting

2:12:43rid

2:12:44of kind of a paper thing, right? So

2:12:46the pr so the cl the proceeds from the closing at CARES and Clock Tower is gonna pay off the liens over in Dade City.

2:12:53That's right. San Antonio Credit Union and the contractor will be paid will be made whole on the Senior Center. That title will come to us Free and clear. At least that's the way this transaction is set up. If we Don't take our two hundred and sixty thousand and and thirty thousand or whatever those numbers were. uh on clock tower because then they can use a hundred percent of the proceeds from that transaction

2:13:23to pay those two creditors off on date city.

2:13:27Right. Cares can be another conversation about what what what are they doing, what are they gonna do. 'Cause I don't want that money to disappear on either, so Some other thing.

2:13:37Clark Towers sold the building to a sober house living facility. We take over the Dade City building during closing November first and they have nothing to do with that senior center in Dade City anymore.

2:13:50We take over the the care of the seniors in the dates that

2:13:54You're because that that would have stayed with them forever and then eventually goes away. So I I I get it and I would move a problem.

2:14:02Yeah. I need I got a motion.

2:14:08I'll second it.

2:14:09We got a second. All those in favor say aye.

2:14:12Aye.

2:14:12Aye. Aye. Aye.

2:14:16Okay. Pass five zero. Is that everything, Mike? Yes, sir. Mr.

2:14:23Steinsteiner? To answer Commissioner Starkey's earlier question Um the ordinance was passed in two thousand and six.

2:14:35Uh Chapter 327.60 Local Regulations. State says That

2:14:48You can adopt a local ordinance, but you may not discriminate against airboats. For ordinance is adopted after July first, two thousand and six. And here's the caveat. unless adopted by two thirds vote of the governing body enacting such ordinance. So I recalled there was a preemption. The preemption can be overridden by two thirds vote. So you could act you Based on

2:15:18what I'm reading here, I think we could add that lake.

2:15:23I think a lake that's uh bordering a park Could be Airboat free. And most of that, I mean, and that that lake is in a bowl, so it must just reverberate like crazy in there. So

2:15:42there's a a in Buddy Lake there's a Cinco. sinkhole.

2:15:45Yeah, so

2:15:46took a lot of water out of that.

2:15:48That's not a water body I think should be having an airboat on it. So I would Like for us to suggest that

2:15:56Well I don't want to fight with my rural Our neighbors in East Pasco County because

2:16:02a lot

2:16:02of them have airboats.

2:16:06Mm. Is it no, I'm just talking about that one lake, not other lakes.

2:16:09There there's public access to that lake. There is public access for fishing in that lake.

2:16:15I don't care. I'm I'm fishing. I

2:16:17know

2:16:17you don't care if

2:16:18you're

2:16:18fishing in that uh an airboat.

2:16:21Well, there's there's a lot of people that legally have airboats

2:16:25and

2:16:25should be able to use them.

2:16:27That's gonna be one heck of a park out there.

2:16:29It's not gonna be in the park. So

2:16:32Gonna be abutting the park.

2:16:34Um can I just sh share it's two seconds. Go ahead. Um we cannot end this meeting without a big thank you to this guy who visited 911 and uh everybody in the emergency center. So uh he brought a lot of smiles and um I think he brought a lot of joy. So And he brought five pounds

2:16:56to everyone's waistline with ice cream on his birthday.

2:17:00Is he gonna have trading

2:17:01guards? And I believe he's the official county dog now. Um

2:17:05that reminds me, do we have an update on our

2:17:10Mr. Mariano, I believe you raised your hand.

2:17:12Uh I was just gonna ask that maybe it'd be good to s have that ordinance sent to all of us so we can take a look at it. Yeah, we we can all look at it.

2:17:21Or to see it. Just see it. it. Okay.

2:17:26Oh, just as

2:17:26it exists.

2:17:27You don't want me to draft one. No no no. No, no, no. Yeah,

2:17:31not not a problem.