Committee reports on housing, car washes, fences

1:31:07Okay. Make this for the afternoon public hearing. We covered all the items in the morning. So now we go to committee reports. Commissioner Oakley. Okay. I believe

1:31:18I have some pictures to show, I believe. Maybe. So

1:31:27Like I said earlier, I uh went out and visited different projects that had forty and fifty foot lots. Um Well there we go. We'll start off with that. So We had the uh fireman awards. Uh meeting there. And um Okay. I guess that's Land O' Lakes or Lutz? That address. Gets confusing along on along Fitch Four, but it was uh Well attended event,

1:31:57not only the people that are joining our firemen or EMS and Um drivers, I mean there was like twenty five new employees coming into the fire department. So but it was a great uh great event and uh the families were mu very much a part of it. I will say one thing with uh our firemen, they have a a brotherhood that reaches out to uh all of us that and you can tell that they are very much a family. So and we certainly appreciate

1:32:27everything they do to uh That protect us and do the right thing for us th throughout our county. So

1:32:37And this was uh last Friday we had this uh access to East Pasco County. Um there was quite a Um Board panel there that's a I was proud to be sitting there, so but It actually um everybody was talking about my district pretty much.

1:33:00So I kinda like that when they're talking about my district, so

1:33:03And

1:33:03and y'all gotta like it because they're le if they're talking about mine they're leaving yours alone. So Uh but no it was a a very good event. Uh I think we had a lot of good questions there. I think we gave a lot of a lot of good information for the folks there that were attending probably a hundred or plus People and there's uh uh Chamber of Commerce, Dade City Chamber of Commerce event. So But very well attended. So And went out to uh Persimmon which Um

1:33:36Marie has a hard time saying persimmon hill, but The first salmon gets her. I was in the fruit business, so I've learned that word from years ago. But we're not going to do that. this project and see the different architecture on the houses and just get a visit and and actually see the landscape in a Um They had quite a f quite a bit more landscaping than some projects in the county which I think we've all been uh talking about those projects

1:34:06that do not have much They have not you know in this project they have. Ron Oakley. Um Very nice project in our county. So I think they go on to next picture. Uh we went to Bexley Uh

1:34:28I think w well I don't this picture here's Del this is Dale Webb. Dell Webb has a very beautiful project. I mean there's forties and fifties in here, but I I can tell you with their landscaping and all. They do a great job of uh presenting those homes and I'll be honest with you, they don't look like forty and fifties. where I've seen that are not necessarily what we want in a county, but That is a very good project. I I believe they told me that and Palmetto Ridge which

1:34:59come to us later on. They they have a portion of that land in Penny Ridge is gonna be a Dale Web. So Very nice product. And Then we got uh this rental c community here. Um Bridge Haven. Um As you can see, very nice. Got some good landscape. I would I would say the houses are on bigger seem like they're all bigger lots. Is

1:35:27this the American homes American

1:35:28homes?

1:35:32No, this is off of um Chauncey Road. If you go down if you go down uh Mars Bridge and take a ride on Chauncey. goes back to the west and it's just down there on the left. But very nice product. Um The homes all look much bigger. to conform to what's nearby or the neighbors. So they did that. Um If I want to be critical about anything is and they had landscaping Um their amenity there.

1:36:02They had very good landscaping rent a lot. Uh they could use a little more round the houses I think, but they've done a good job and they look very nice and very clean.

1:36:16Yes. Um apparently this was platted before these guys came in. But that road is so wide. Um it's gonna be a racetrack. And I would I told them if they wanted

1:36:27you told them

1:36:27that. This main this road here is really wide. Yeah.

1:36:32This one inside the development?

1:36:34The street is wider than our normal requirements. So it I mean, I told I'm fine if they wanted to do on street parking in this neighborhood. This is a perfect example where It would slow the traffic down and keep everyone safer but Um that is a super wide street and d your engineers here will tell you you people will drive as fast as the conditions of the road are what's being

1:37:02and going and I didn't see anyone basically speeding.

1:37:06That is a known fact that People drive to the condition of the road, correct? Yeah, so that's gonna be a problem in here. So I'm all for on street parking.

1:37:16Well I'll pass that I'll pass that on to them and I'll talk to him. If you if you look at the top of the picture, from what I see, I get two cars. I don't know if they're parked or not. Looks like looks like it might be. There's room to park, so if they just allow that and have the wider street, it's much better than the narrow streets and they can't park. This is much better than where I was

1:37:32living in the States of Fort

1:37:33County, because

1:37:36there are much bigger than forty cents.

1:37:37And they the cars on both sides of the street it

1:37:42But this is an example where it'd be. Well this is

1:37:45a very nice this a nice product.

1:37:47Yeah, I

1:37:47agree. I think we have another one.

1:37:52Uh this is a vila. I walked in I believe it. Break it was just This one right here, walked in this apartment. That's how we're going to do that. concrete block construction.

1:38:05Oh, this is Next Metro.

1:38:07This this is one of the nicest products I've seen for rental. They're not now they're not affordable. They're twenty three, twenty four hundred a month. But inside that apartment you s it feels I was in one it was two bedroom but A thousand square feet. and you felt like you were because it has big windows and all in the family room and the kitchen area it really opens up and is a very nice product. So Um very If there's a storm you need to

1:38:37come here because it uh it's gonna be there. It's it's It's built that well. But

1:38:46All this was and they have private uh garages that you can rent. Some people rent them and put store use them for storage. have a real fancy car or something they want to put in a storage they can't. So But uh a very very nice product. I think I'd like s uh staff so if Terry Pitos maybe him and a couple of his members could go out and look. They had some areas where they um Ask for a bigger buffer.

1:39:17But when you go there and look at the What they asked for and what they got. It seems like there's some uh landscape and all that's really lost to it. It could have been Done a little a little differently. Even the manager said the He said the um some of this could be touched up and they could change some of it to where it have some sitting areas out. Um um these areas rather than just being solid plants and also but a very nice product.

1:39:46Can I comment on that?

1:39:46Commissioner Starkey.

1:39:48I agreed when I walked around with him, you know, they I don't know if they thought that these open spaces had to have all that landscaping. So they so they have a fair amount of open space but it's all plants so you can't use it.

1:40:00Yeah. Well that was part of it. They thought they could put some benches out there, a place to where you can go and sit.

1:40:06And

1:40:06they did have a trail a a sidewalk area that connected to the uh trail. And that you walk there. If you went out there, Ms. Darkey, and saw that behind those houses.

1:40:19I've been there tw a couple of times.

1:40:20Yeah, but that on the back side which backs up to another project?

1:40:24Yeah.

1:40:25That just wasn't quite right. It could have been done better. Yeah, I think staff needs to look at that and and they'll have ideas that when they see it, they'll understand it in the future. I

1:40:36think the housing product here is very good. I personally felt the feel of it was far too much concrete. Um driving around it. Has everyone been here? I was just there too, yes. I I think they they're gonna do better on the next one.

1:40:51They will. They have ideas, but they can go back and touch up some of this it'd be good real good I think.

1:40:58But the product is is

1:40:59The product's very good. Yeah that I tell you the financial terms over like you say, Commissioner Oakley is very str very strong.

1:41:06Mm-hmm.

1:41:07And I I got into the rental 'cause actually my daughter Amber actually looked down here about renting. And If you got a house that's coming up and you got like six months or eight months you want to be there Uh they'll let you out of your lease, but they charge you two months lease. Yeah. If you try to do a short term, they jack the number of

1:41:28I get it. That's just part of that product. So

1:41:30well and and again so it's when you when you look at you know what's gonna go where every bit of this residential that goes to a different component of where somebody can own it fee simple You're taking all this money here, it's gonna go to a corporation that looks every day to what's the maximum rent we think you can get. Right. And that's what they

1:41:46charge. But you can see here they have they have On site managers. The one I lived in had no on site managers. And you could not even if you call the number they told you to call. It'd be the wrong person every time. I mean you could never get a hold of anyone. Here they have on site personnel right there to answer you questions and help you through some of the issues you have in an apartment. So

1:42:13which

1:42:13way very nice.

1:42:14I'll wait until Commissioner Oakley. Go ahead and done.

1:42:17Are you are you done with the commit report or uh

1:42:21I'll wait till Commissioner

1:42:23Oakley.

1:42:27Yep, I think that's all of it. Yeah.

1:42:29Thank you, sir. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. And Mr. Wayman. Thank you, Chairman. Thank you, Commissioner Oakley, for showing All the different variations of rental. that we have in Pasco. That's what I get out of this. We have live local rental, we have your mixed use rental, we have our standard apartment box rental. We have the next Metro. We have our

1:42:51Well

1:42:51some

1:42:51of those were for sale.

1:42:52So the first pictures

1:42:53were for sale houses. We five hundred thousand.

1:42:56That type of rental. Then we have our Uh the American Homes for Rent style that or deconstructed apartments that are on platted. I just think as we as we move forward There's so many types of of variation of what is rental in our county. that I hope at least I am, my office is very critical of okay, is this rental, what type of rental, does it fit? Does this type of rental fit? in the area where they want to put it. Is it oversaturated? I mean There's

1:43:27so many different types of rental coming into our county it's almost hard to keep up with

1:43:31the last product you saw, uh vila. That was on fifteen acres and a hundred and fifty units. See like their theirs very nice.

1:43:42Yeah, those aren't vertically. Those aren't vertical rentals. I I horizontal. Yes. There Yeah. I think we need I my opinion is is I think we need the understand staff, Mike, all this different time of rental product And what kind of rental product do we want in this county?

1:44:02Okay.

1:44:03The

1:44:04attorney needs to speak up.

1:44:05Yeah, I agree we need it, but what's we make a collective decision, right? I just there's so many different types of rental. Right. That's what I'm saying.

1:44:13What the commissioner is is nudging me to do, and I was gonna I was gonna let you continue with your comments.

1:44:21Okay. So my point is there's a there's uh uh why make So many different variations of rental coming into our county and each one kinda has its own identity and its own makeup and its own market base, which I appreciate. I'm trying to figure out what type of rental works the best in Pasco and what we wanna see here. 'Cause we see some rental that we're not proud of and then there's some rentals like, hey, that's pretty good stuff, right?

1:44:45Like

1:44:45where he lived. I'll just leave it at that, let county attorney take over.

1:44:50Well what what? Commissioner Starkey wants me to say is which is true and I have said it from time to time. you can't regulate rental. When you're making a land use decision, it's a land use decision on single family or multifamily, it's a land use type. Not how the Not the form of ownership. That's not within your land use decision making

1:45:20capability. Now Having said that, There are ways from a land use perspective. and a design perspective if the legislature hasn't taken everything away from you all. That You can make the product Whether it's rental or whether it's single family Look. Like single family and have the landscaping and design characteristics

1:45:51of single family Whether the form of ownership is they're renting them out or not.

1:45:56I'm not necessarily My concern is that who owns it? Platted. If it's gonna be a single family style rental, I want the property platted. and eventually it can be sold. off as a single family home product. I'm a huge believer in home ownership. Yeah.

1:46:17So That's the type of rental I'd like I said on our built to rent. Platted. You can own as many as you want, whoever it is. But they need to be platted in case one day they sell off and They can they can

1:46:33I mean you you've even seen it in the multifamily

1:46:39Low rise market where in the last big boom they made a bunch of the rental multifamily condominiumized. And they sold them off. um what would be your traditional apartment complex. So At the point where the economic incentive is there the stuff that looks like single family is they're gonna It's gonna be Sold off at some point too. So if it's

1:47:09gonna be single family, I'm with you. I think a platted single family. that they can rent In the interim. is it that complies with all the other regulations that a single family a detached single family house would have to makes abundant sense long term.

1:47:28Uh but couldn't it be condoed? Couldn't it be condoed?

1:47:32Yes. There could they do a

1:47:35There are other avenues.

1:47:36They could do a land condo as as well, yes.

1:47:39Yes. Because how would Next Metro plot that?

1:47:43That's a completely different rental style. They're a completely different type of rental. What Commissioner Oakley showed he and he did a good job with the with the pictures were the different forms of rental in our county. You have

1:47:58what I showed you were from in Wiregrass area. that were single family homes. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm talking about that were priced at and believe it or not, they were forty foot lots. They were priced in the five hundred thousand range. Very expensive.

1:48:13I'm just saying that um but you can also condo them. So

1:48:20But I think the idea is we want some kind of perpetual guaranteed maintenance so that the community does go downhill. And become slummy.

1:48:32Well that should be

1:48:33That's that's what I'm looking for.

1:48:34That should be across the board.

1:48:36Which is kind of why I like these, um, m more than having someone buy one house on this street, one house on that street, one house on that street. And um this way they're under a management company and and they keep 'em up. I mean it's an interesting model.

1:48:52Uh if you plat 'em you can go that way, I think is a great idea. Um

1:48:59Is there a c change that we could make in our code? That would differentiate between Home ownership.

1:49:08I don't think so. I that it that's not it's a Okay. Ownership is is not one of those things that you can regulate through land use. Okay.

1:49:17Uh Commissioner Weightman? Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Oakley. Uh Commissioner Starkey.

1:49:23Um well I was going to talk about fences, but I can't. Excuse

1:49:25me, Chairman.

1:49:27Go ahead.

1:49:28I was

1:49:28talking about Commissioner Oakley's item.

1:49:30Oh go ahead.

1:49:30Oh, Dr. Well, I'll I'll your

1:49:32committee reports.

1:49:33I'm sorry. Okay, my committee reports. Hey. No, okay. I got even anyway, y'all are gonna just throw throw tomatoes. Anyway, I'll start off with uh Congrats on the Mariano family and First grandbaby, baby boy coming home today, so congrats to to all the Mariano's and the Davises and it's

1:49:57Other young people have kids and welcome to the club

1:50:00and so

1:50:02anyway, congratulations and uh next and rated And then thank you uh And Andy Taylor. Well I think Andy, you know. our sidewalk appropriation and and our legislative delegation, our team uh for getting that across the finish line and And Working to protect our kids and give our kids a safe way to get and their families get to and from school. Uh so that's just a great way to to kick off the week. Uh Advent Health Wesley Chapel. uh

1:50:33hospital rated one of the world's best hospitals in Newsweek magazine that came out last week and so it's pretty exciting as as Pasco is becoming a medical hub. Uh it was neat to see uh a picture of Advent Health Wesley Chapel on the on the front page, so congratulations to the team. It And advent health. Um we also visited uh the Wesley Chapel Lions Club and uh special thanks to Pete Casinelli and uh Tom Maver for inviting me and Uh Lions Club's still around,

1:51:03they're still working for For vision, uh helping helping folks uh improve eyes and diabetes care, and they're working working to grow their their club. So It's good to see see that group and uh meet and talk with them. And then we did, as Commissioner Oakley mentioned earlier, we had a chamber event. It's a great picture of Representative Magrand.

1:51:26Great event at uh

1:51:31The Chamber does a great job of bringing in we had a cabinet member there. The stars of the show were Commissioner Oakley and Commissioner Simpson. But if the other chambers took advantage in getting such A broad group of folks there and the other chambers kind of followed this formula throughout our county. I think it'd be fantastic 'cause then if the if the West Side Chamber did it and incorporate and then it gets gets folks who are working in their respective areas at different levels to come together. And

1:52:00Share what's what's going on in in the world in a more global way. So the the chambers on to something with this East Pasco access event. And uh the group there did a did a great job and Commissioner Oakley did a great job representing The board. Um

1:52:20Now more serious topic I want to bring up uh since the chair urged me last meeting. Car washes and storage facilities. You know, I think that's a good idea. But we approved a car wash last meeting and that was appropriate place for one. On the way here coming down Little Road on the east side of the road before you get to to Ridge. There's another car wash popping up. So at the urging of the chair, and and it's a lot of comment that we hear. I hear from folks, people come to the board

1:52:50meetings, you go to different various places and talk. What what's up with the car washes and storage facilities? How many jobs are these things creating? What's the give get to the county? What's the ret what's our return? Is it the appropriate business in the appropriate spot? 'Cause they're right on Made road frontage. So I kind of Listening to the chair's words last meeting, I wanna bring that up for for discussion. uh and get staff input. Attorney input on the right-of-way. You

1:53:21know, what's I know certain businesses are are tied into certain zonings but Comes a time when you're probably oversaturated. And I want to be deliberate in what Businesses are coming here. and creating jobs for our community, especially when we're at risk for losing our commercially zoned properties or other zoned properties. So I figure it'd be a good Hopefully a decent. Uh subject matter to bring up for discussion today.

1:53:53Well I think I think the county attorney's gonna tell you Um that we approve a zoning But I'm not sure how we can I guess we did something with the s the storage lots, storage facilities, but I'm not sh I don't know how you do that with the

1:54:11like today when you brought up about the project we approved, it's like hey it's not as you the Kentucky fried chickens or whatever, there's really no no no difference, right? Um And you're excited that we're gonna something better is gonna be there, a more unique style of business and opportunity.

1:54:28I just don't know how if we can legislate what goes in a C two, but I'll I'll listen to the

1:54:32County

1:54:33Attorney.

1:54:33County Attorney. Because everyone asks me, how can we have so many car washes?

1:54:38Well you if car wash is a permitted C2 use, no you can't.

1:54:44Yeah.

1:54:45Now You're the ones who determine what is a C2 use. So if you made Car wash is a conditional use or a special exception if there i if there if there was A legitimate

1:55:04Nexus to to make the to put higher higher Yeah. then you could do that through your land development code. Um

1:55:17Yeah, and there you can you can create gateway zoning areas or overlay districts that says that You know, the the fifty four, fifty two card or Is not an appropriate place for certain uses, whatever those uses, whatever the board determines those uses to be. Again, assuming the legislature doesn't take that use away that take that away from you. Um But Yeah

1:55:48You can do that through your land development code, um, but currently Where everything is a permitted use in C two, C three whatever, um no, you you you don't really have regulatory standards that you can say, no, a car wash can't go there.

1:56:08Well

1:56:09But the planning director may have some Some insight.

1:56:12And someone brought up to me, they may use a lot of water. I don't know if they do or not, but in the old

1:56:18days they were they w they used recycled they recycle had a pretty Yeah.

1:56:25Okay.

1:56:25Sophisticated system of recycling their water.

1:56:28You know, I'm I'm typically a free market kind of person. Um, but I don't understand how you can have one every two hundred yards and that they're gonna stay in business. I I don't understand it, but I think Terry's trying to come up and say something to us. So I understand your concern. I shouldn't know legislatively what we could do.

1:56:49Well I I would echo the county attorney's comments, uh so I won't repeat them. But um one way that um Addressing certain types of uh redevelopment opportunities would be one way to limit uh certain types of uses, like for example, a lot of communities try to limit the number of gas stations because of brown fields that could potentially occur in the future, right? Similarly, you can do the same with car washes, which do have some chemical

1:57:19associated with them. uh in the in the water treatment requirements that are associated that I believe the state typically regulates. Other communities, I'll put this out there since there was some discussion also about uh you know businesses like the fast food restaurants and whatever and the appearance of these along our major corridors. Other communities will will make certain uses, conditional uses, on the merits of their urban design. So on urban design merits. So for instance, if

1:57:50if a if a business has a drive-thru facility, they'll say please do a conditional use permit associated with it. Um if you are going to put it between the building and the street. For example. So you would rel relegate the auto orientation of a car wash or uh of a drive thru away from the public facing uh realm towards the street, for example.

1:58:20I would say

1:58:21different ways to to handle things.

1:58:24I think at this current time I think we've got enough car washers to last us probably another thirty years. Um and if you can bring something like that back to us, I think it that I think it's worth taking a look at.

1:58:35Well th there's uh there's a bunch of different stuff we could take a look at that and I

1:58:39think I think you hit it right in the head.

1:58:41Yeah, bring us some ideas. Would you add the fast food in your storage layout stuff? We took on storage facilities. But I think, but

1:58:50Well I there's one in fifty two just coming out of the ground that's Taking up a a great piece of real estate that could be really something special down the road and now it's Two stories high, three stories high, and yeah, there's nothing going on. So I I think let's go take a look at both of them.

1:59:05Where is that?

1:59:08Well we've got to give directions. So w do we want him to come back with ideas on fast food layouts? Um so we can control that a little more like I did with this MPUD and car washes. And Storage facilities?

1:59:23Well at least the car wash and the storage facilities. You get into the uh fast food you're gonna open up a whole can of worms.

1:59:28I don't know. Other places have done it.

1:59:31Yeah.

1:59:31No one not everyone's stripping out every road with fast food. Every fifty stay stay with fifty four.

1:59:38Well there are some areas uh it's It's now County Road P two coming through Santa. There's some areas there that We're not allowing fast food in that certain area in another

1:59:49area.

1:59:51It's the right thing to do.

1:59:54So consensus of the board, let's go take a look at those three? Okay.

1:59:59Yeah. So we'll we'll we'll go back, we'll kind of set expectations to let you know how long that's that's gonna take. Uh on the eleventh, we're gonna bring back to you the forties and fifties as a result of discussions. After that, we had planned to tackle horizontal apartments and some other things. So

2:00:13form based code, planning. Form based code, these are

2:00:16these are all lined up on the runway.

2:00:18As our land is all getting chewed up and we're not doing good design. I'll tell you, people come I've heard it from my son's company I've heard it from numerous people. Uh because we have some very high end People come into Pasco and I and I mean high end in the development world and they drive through what some of what we've done recently and they can't believe we've let that happen. So I think we could be doing a lot better.

2:00:43Yeah.

2:00:44Our code needs so much work. It's embarrassing.

2:00:48Yeah, and I think that's part of when we when we look at the comprehensive plan update that's that's going forward, we're trying to move that and then the L D C would typically typically follow. I I get the impatience with it, but these are

2:00:59gonna be low in a certain order to those. Yeah.

2:01:06He can't. Um and I've been here longer, I guess. Um if that's the direction the board wants to go, you need to stand behind that decision when the rubber meets the road.

2:01:21I'm here.

2:01:22So the so when Folks come in and they say But this is development, this is good development. if it doesn't meet the vision you've set for the county It doesn't matter whether it's good development or not, it's it it doesn't meet your vision. And that's the only way that you're gonna change

2:01:46What has happened in the last twenty years, let's say, just taking it uh from Boom to or from bust to Boom again. Um that It's gonna look any different.

2:02:01I think of all the retail that's come to Wesley Chapel and how much better that could have been if it was done differently. Um, it's very old school what we allowed out there. And n and um

2:02:14Uh Very car centric and not It's just it'll take a g generation before it gets fixed, but I think we could do better.

2:02:26I think so.

2:02:28Thank you. No, and that's thank you, board, for the first time. Sharing in these these thoughts and and conversation pieces. That's why it's so important like with New Port Corners coming in and what's going on in Odessa Town Center. Challenge to think bigger, do better. Let's Let's keep improving our identity and what we have here.

2:02:46Yeah.

2:02:47In trying to attract the best that's out there. to come dance with us, as Carbala would say. So thank you thank you board and Uh that's all I have.

2:02:58Okay. Mr. Starkey.

2:03:00Um well since Katie has to leave at four, um she's been doing a little bit of work on fences. And we're gonna come we wanna talk to you about fences. Here's some Um I have four here. So um we'll get one emailed to Commissioner Bradford. Sorry, Gary. Um unless you emailed one to him.

2:03:18I did not. I will.

2:03:20Okay. So um So there's commercial fences and residential fences. Um first Uh let's talk about what's going on in commercial fences.

2:03:32So permits are not required for either commercial or residential fences. And with the change in ordinance for the no-chain link, right now you just catch it through the planning phase. So if you have an existing commercial property and they want to put up a fence to keep trespassers or if they just decide they want to add a fence, it's up to them to do the research and educate themselves on what type of fence they could put in since there's no permit required. And so that's gonna run into some issues because unfortunately they're

2:04:02not doing that research and they're putting up the chain link fences still. And then when it goes to planning, if they have a line drawn that shows a fence, planning will then ask, well, what type of fence are you putting in to make sure they're not putting in a chain link fence? And that's how it gets stopped at the planning phase. But for the existing commercial there's no way to quote unquote regulate that right now.

2:04:24And for example that storage unit that just came in and Gun highway area. Um they didn't have to put a permit on pull permit for that fence. They put the fence up in the wrong place and now they have to take it down. And they have to move it. Because they have to have landscaping and so Um it's ca it'll cost businesses money. Um mo more money in the long run. If they go to the expense of putting up a fence it's not allowed because they d they didn't They didn't know. So um now

2:04:54on residential R residential is very interesting here in the county. You may or may not know this, but Because we d we don't require permits for fences, people go and put Fence is up. But we do have rules on fences. They just don't know them because we don't require a permit. So you can't put a fence inside out. Um you can't put a fence over six feet high if you're on a corner lot. And

2:05:24what's some other weird things that we have?

2:05:26Well the county right away is the biggest one.

2:05:29Well yeah, you can't put a fence in the county right away, which I have a constituent who put a fence in the county right away on a corner six.

2:05:39Could could have been. But uh so I this constituent drove around our neighborhood uh Uh with uh and you know She she found a gazillion fence violations, but if you've put in offense and no one has complained about it In a year it's grandfathered. So you g you got a rat on your neighbor. Which is what has happened to her. Someone has turned her in. And um And her her well, you can't put a fence in the right-of-way, but her fence

2:06:09company put it there, got a survey. I we don't know how that happened, but the county is taking her to court, right? Yes, she has a hearing on Friday. We tried to work with her, but She put her fence in the county right away. There's you just can't do that. So Um it costs our code uh a lot of time and a lot of money, but it really costs our citizens Um A lot of angst and I just think we need a fence permit. I don't think it needs to be much. I think they could get it online. But

2:06:40somehow People need to know what's allowed, what's not allowed. And this idea of um grandfather your grandfathered in on an illegal fence after a year. is weird. I uh the counties around us, what do they do?

2:06:54I don't have the time limps on the counties around us if they grandfather or not.

2:06:57I yeah, I don't know about that.

2:06:58The only time a permit is required for both commercial and residential is if you are putting up a concrete wall, footers, a mec a mechanical gate that requires a button to push in um to open. That's the only time a permit's required for either.

2:07:11Uh but Hernando County requires a fence permit, residential and do you remember all the counties in your research?

2:07:16I don't off the top of my head.

2:07:18Okay, well we can get that to you, but we're like Pretty much the only one that does require a fence permit. And

2:07:25I think it could be easy, but I think we need it.

2:07:28Well maybe permitting in the county attorney's office can look because if the county attorney spends an effort of three hours per citation. There's gotta be better things you can do with this time, such as car washes, storage units and things like that to work on creating So if there's if there's a better way to go, a streamlined way to go, and maybe just a simple online thing of a ch check the box. box to be an awareness thing, so be it. But let's see see when maybe we can take a look and do do better.

2:07:51Do you know what they do in your in Manatee?

2:07:56I don't any more. They they they did require fence permits from

2:08:11That you were gonna put stuff in. But I I can check with the building official down there.

2:08:17Okay, so uh did you want to speak? Not for ag. I

2:08:21just don't

2:08:22Yeah. Not for ag Yeah for

2:08:24ag and then uh we think just think about this. If we're gonna start if we're gonna go the direction with a fence permit and then Having to have property owners spend the money for a survey or that add to the cost of their property.

2:08:39The world's an expensive place right now. And the world's a difficult place right now, especially with government. So just Streamline is best I guess my my weight into this not not make it more difficult. or more expensive on the consumer than it needs to be, I guess. That's just my Comment.

2:09:00I agree but but when you put in a fence and and then it has to be taken out because you did it wrong or did an illegal one, it's very expensive. Well right. This just helps them do it right. Fire beware. Um what else?

2:09:14Well I guess I would just I would just ask, you know, overall is the board's concern with the aesthetics of the fence, the location of the fence. Locations would require surveys if we're going to do that kind of stuff. Aesthetics and type of fence could be a very easy, straightforward thing I would I would think. Um I'd I would just like a little guidance as to which issues with fences you really want the staff to focus on.

2:09:39think it this is about aesthetics other than the commercial chain link Bob wire on materials collectors and main roads. Um I think there's already some rules. I don't think we allow wooden fences.

2:09:52So enforce

2:09:53existing rules.

2:09:56Just make sure that our existing rules on the books are

2:10:00That people learn what the rules are. Before they go to the expense of putting in a fence.

2:10:06So maybe we can go to the

2:10:07I'm sorry, go ahead. I

2:10:08was going to say maybe we go to the Home Depots, the fence contractors and give them a list, some type of thing they can hand out to the people, maybe make them more aware of it and go. Because I I agree. We don't want to make the world any higher than it is.

2:10:19The picture that is up that is a fence, so she's gonna have to remove that entire fence because it's in county right away. So that is gonna be way more expensive than the permit would be.

2:10:28But that shame on her the contractor to put it in. I mean you you can't help that.

2:10:35You're gonna you're not gonna fix every situation.

2:10:36But here's the thing. Is she drove around and found Uh well the other problem is um where's Denise? Denise, what's the other issue with that fence? The fortress thing?

2:10:46The height.

2:10:47The height on a corner lot is it's there's a there's this fortress rule. Um if you don't mind explaining it, I learned something during all this.

2:10:57Definitely don't mind explaining, but I do want to say for the record, this is going to court on Friday. Oh I don't really want to discuss a specific case. But

2:11:06just talk about a fort the the

2:11:08fortress. On corner lots, uh the secondary so there's a pr uh primary front. And then there's a secondary front. So the primary front basically the six foot fence has to be behind the front door of the building. The secondary front they just have to make the front setback. So in this case, and at that place that could the fence could be six feet. So in this particular situation, there's two things going on again in the right of way and it and it's um over four feet in height.

2:11:35Commissioner Starkey, maybe if you could bring something back to us, the things you want to see changed or to br brought to our attention?

2:11:42Okay. Um I mean 'cause this is a beautiful fence. And but it's just got two things wrong with it. Wrong fence and

2:11:51wrong

2:11:51place. Wrong fence and wrong place. But the thing is is she went around uh the county and found tons of these because we don't have Uh There's no enforcement on the fences unless someone turns you in. And I'm saying that's a bad way to go about business is you can do whatever you want, and if you get away with it for a year, you're good to

2:12:14But

2:12:14what's up with the split rail fence?

2:12:17that is in the county right away. Right?

2:12:21Yes.

2:12:21And that is also Yeah.

2:12:22So can we change the rule that after a year that you can

2:12:25we

2:12:25can

2:12:25make you take it out? We should never we should not be grandfathering in any illegal fence. If it's

2:12:31in the right of way, there is no grandfathering.

2:12:33But anything

2:12:34outside of that setbacks and height, it doesn't matter. If you're there a year it's grandfathered in.

2:12:39There's no reason to grandfather in a fent uh something that's wrong with our c against our code. That's right. I don't know where that came

2:12:47from. That was a provision that was put in the code by a former board. And uh if that's not the desire of the board, it Can be taken out.

2:12:59Well I I don't I think it should be taken out. Okay, but we'll bring that back what that might look like. Let's do some

2:13:04more research. Okay. Anything else?

2:13:06Um yeah, I got more photos. Thank you. Um Thanks, Katie.

2:13:11Uh I'm gonna step outside for a second.

2:13:13Who?

2:13:14I'm gonna step outside.

2:13:16Um Um, this is my weekly or you know, bi monthly Landscape.

2:13:25on fifty four, what it looked like. And oh shoot, the date's cut off. I'm sorry. This is what it looks like now on the right. This is what it looked like when it had its buffer and its tr trees across the front. Okay, is another one? Um the Waffle House. This is what it looks like now on the right. This is what it used to look like on the left.

2:13:50That's that's not attractive. That's not okay. Okay, what else do we have up there, China? Um oh, so here we have a truist replacing their landscaping that's missing. This is what it looked like in the bottom left. Um and it was B B and T, you know, and they and they changed. But now now look what it looks like when they put the landscaping back in. Right? This is fifty-four and little. This is an important intersection. All right.

2:14:24I also drove around and went to Persimmon Place. Very nice 40 foot rear loaded product. Uh with some front loaded Um but mostly oh here okay if we're here's our own property and what it looks like right outside of the county building. This is our building inspections not complying with any landscaping. Um Eric, we've talked about this. Uh nothing in the parking lot, nothing

2:14:55no buffers in the front. We have three million dollars in our tree mitigation trust fund. And we could plant palm trees and stuff there tomorrow. There's another one, the sheriff's office over there. What's the other um picture from the Little. Sheriff's Office where. This is right in front of the county building. When you drive in here. These are our buildings with no landscape. Right right next door.

2:15:18That's gonna be flattened, I think. So

2:15:21Well we could put some palm cheese and something in there. It's it's embarrassing that we don't have we don't follow our own codes. Okay. Uh what else?

2:15:34And I did enjoy that firefighter award ceremony. Um this is the neighborhood that is right around from the um Americans for rent. community. I mentioned it I sent a text to you guys if you ha if you were out there I think you had already been if you get the opportunity come around drive around the corner and take a look at what's going on. So um

2:15:58that doesn't look like what we saw.

2:16:00This is uh this is River Landing. And And two rivers. This is brand new. Okay, f keep going. This is the River's Landing. Brand new and two rivers ranch. Mm.

2:16:22That's the forty foot

2:16:23the road.

2:16:24That's the l that's the the the little house. This is what our architecture code allows, I guess. Um This is what I object to, this kind of house. I really, really object to this. Um Okay, go to the townhouses. There's there's the townhouses in Rivers Landing that are under construction this today.

2:16:45Okay. Parking lot.

2:16:47Now they did put they did put palm trees in this one, unlike the one in Union Square. However, they put in the one that we've outlawed. And they're putting them in today. these these um queen palms. But look at look at that concrete. Uh do I have any more?

2:17:09Oh, uh this is Wells Fargo on Little Road. Uh and they put their um The landscaping back in. So very grateful for that one. Okay, is that it? Okay.

2:17:22Thank you. County Administrator. Oh no, actually Commissioner Bradford.

2:17:28Mm-hmm.

2:17:33I think we have a couple of things to say. First one. First of all I really have enjoyed uh Getting back listen to the discussion of all the fellow commissioners. I particularly want to emphasize Seth Weightman's comments about the future and we need to be a world-class county. We're doing this for our kids and our grandkids. I think that's very important. Uh

2:18:06Second. Get a lot of background. Second is Yeah, I don't do a lot of things at the county commission yet. But there's one thing that uh I will always do. And uh I wasn't able to attend the firefighters. uh ceremony uh Todd and Paul my my fellow teammates uh they're with me but to see those firefighters We used to call them Well

2:18:38I can't use those words anymore, but young people starting their their careers out The glow, the commitment on their face. They're not doing it for the money. They're duty for a calling. I think it's in I think it's incumbent upon every single member on this board never to forget our public safety factor, and I know we won't. The last thing I'll follow up with is

2:19:07I do appreciate Jeff's comments when he said when this board sets our vision. collectively on where we want to go as a board. And the winds start to blow that we have our county administrators back. Uh that is very, very important and we do not throw him under the bus. So with that I'll stop and it's great to be back and see you all. And uh I

2:19:38will see you soon.

2:19:39All right, Commissioner Bradford. Great to great to have you participate in the meeting. Um that means a great thing is that your health is getting better. And uh we're we're all praying for you, we're all hoping for you. So uh as you get better, we look forward to seeing you in person as well. But keep doing what you gotta do to make yourself as healthy as possible. Thank you.

2:19:55Thank you.