PC6 813 Towing conditional use discussion and vote

2:00:39All right. Jumping back to P6. Liam Divine Planning Development. Um I'm I'm gonna ask this again. Would you like another staff presentation to refresh our minds? Yeah, let's go.

2:00:54I'll make this one really quick then. Um PDD twenty-two-CU twenty, it is a a conditional use request in R R Sharp properties L L C 813 towing for towing services and storage of vehicles in C2 commercial district. The subject is located on the east side of Lando Lakes Boulevard, approximately 700 feet south of Cove Lake Place. Just as a look at the aerial view. This is a look at the surrounding future land use.

2:01:25This is a look at the surrounding zoning. The subject site is currently vacant on approximately 0.62 of an acre. The applicant is requesting a conditional use for towing services and storage of vehicles in C2 General Commercial District. The subject site has a future land use classification of ROR. The surrounding area is characterized by commercial and residential development consisting of single-family residential homes, access to the properties from Land O' Lakes Boulevard and F Dot maintained arterial roadway with approximately

2:01:55120 feet of right-of-way. This is a look at the applicant's conceptual plane. And this is coming with recommendation for approval with conditions as provided in your packet. Thank you, Liam.

2:02:10All right, and is the applicant present?

2:02:13Mm-hmm.

2:02:21Sorry you went to the wrong plot spot.

2:02:24Ray Gustafson, Gustafson Engineering, one five zero three zero Surrey Bend in Brooksville, and I have not been sworn.

2:02:31All right. Another honest man.

2:02:34Do you swear or from the testimony about the case of the case of what we got?

2:02:37I do.

2:02:40Okay, our client is proposing a towing facility. Um I'm sure everyone has seen in uh apartment complexes and along roadsides signs where they say that uh parking is by permit only or for residents only and violators will be towed. Well, the applicant is looking to provide that service in this area. He expects that he would be towing maybe uh I

2:03:10don't know, maybe thirty to forty vehicles a week that would um typically they go in to like uh an apartment complex late at later at night, ten, eleven o'clock after everybody's come and gone. And anyone that is violating that would they would then tow those uh vehicles to their lot where they could be picked up the next day after paying appropriate fees. And uh that is exactly What we're

2:03:40looking to do here. The uh office itself is open from 8 a.m. until 6 p.m. and any collection of vehicles uh is possible but has to be done by telephone and they have to contact the um driver on duty confirmed that again they do have the vehicle and that the person asking does have the registration to collect that vehicle and then they would just

2:04:11meet back at the site to allow that vehicle to be taken. So there's very little traffic generated by this, maybe five or six cars being picked up a day.

2:04:23Where are the cars stored?

2:04:25Uh in the back half of the the property. Pardon? Yeah, fenced off, definitely.

2:04:31Is it screened from public?

2:04:32Yeah. There is a s existing eight-foot block wall along the back, and we would be required to provide a fifteen-foot buffer, so we would be able to put in a fairly heavy landscape buffer along that wall to supplement it from the uh residential that is behind us. And north and south of us is commercial, so they would be unaffected.

2:04:54And you find all the recommended conditions by staff acceptable?

2:04:58Yes, we did.

2:05:00So there would be no s uh the my concern driving through that area pretty much daily and understanding it's a racetrack and south of Lake Haitians Road there is that's probably one of the worst intersections, one of them in the in the county. Um stacking on forty one, you're have adequate space to get the truck completely onto the property so that there's no backup or any

2:05:19right. Yeah. Yeah, there's again if we're doing five or six vehicles a day there's not going

2:05:25to

2:05:25be any stacking. So they're right or even in at a time. And yeah, they can get in, pull up to the the gate to the back where we show a security fence. Uh they'd be fully within the property. Could even get a second vehicle in there if they had to and then get them in through the fence for for storage to the next day. Okay.

2:05:43Yeah, because it peak traffic times in there and it doesn't sound like most of it may not But I think that's a good thing. Peak traffic times, it it is taking your life in your own hands to pull out on that road at times.

2:05:55And then during the day it would almost strictly be people picking up their cars. So a car coming in, dropping them off and leaving. Okay.

2:06:03And what are you gonna do about lighting there?

2:06:07Um they will have sufficient lighting to see the site, but we will be using cutoff fixtures to be sure that there is no bleed over to adjacent sites or to the right-of-way.

2:06:20When you pick up vehicles that have been involved in an auto accident,

2:06:24No, not typically.

2:06:27Not typically. Are they do you pick up repos?

2:06:31No.

2:06:33One other comment, it looks like there's inconsistency between the recommended condition and the site plan and the eastern buffer on your site plan says type B. It's actually type C is a recommended condition, I'm just pointing that out.

2:06:47Yeah, I can actually comment on that. So this is the site plane that was submitted with the application. During staff's review, we consulted with our site plane review team. So the depth of the buffer, we didn't have an issue with 15 feet. They would have been required to have a type B buffer. However, staff would like to have an increase of shrubbage and trees. So it is a type C type-C buffer that is actually shorter than what a type C buffer would be required. So type C requirements for landscaping and then the width is actually fifteen feet, which is five feet less

2:07:17than what the type C would require. However, the applicant is actually only required under current um code um to have a type B buffer. Okay.

2:07:28Okay.

2:07:29Any other questions? Um, I have another question. So and I may have missed it and may be in here, but you mentioned picking up um in the evening hour, so does that mean they're dro what time are they dropping vehicles off at this site?

2:07:44They're bringing vehicles in possibly after midnight, ten to two in the morning. Um again, five or six of them. Um There is uh nothing loud about the operation. They are they don't drop vehicles, they gotta be as ginger with them as they can.

2:08:05But is there like backup, you know, the beeps from a backup and those kind of things?

2:08:10Um really probably the the loudest thing that would be occurring would be uh we're intending to use a gravel lot in the rear and would be the vehicle turning on the gravel. And again, uh we will be buffering significantly. Uh I've already suggested we go with wax myrtles that will create a a thick vegetated wall in front of that block wall.

2:08:39Alright, anything else? Uh let's hear from the uh public. All right, and then we'll give you if you have to come up and answer anything they bring they bring up. Okay, who would like to come up and speak? You give me your name and address, please. And I think you've been sworn,

2:08:57right? I have. Um my name's John Miller. I live at uh [address removed]. Um that property uh my home is adjacent to this project. It's in the north northeast corner adjacent to the northeast corner of this property. So I'm obviously in uh in opposition of this project um I reviewed the zoning code and future land use, and uh it's my understanding that uh according to section 526.1

2:09:28The purpose of the C2 zoning is to provide for the orderly development of those uses to meet the community and regional needs of for general goods and services as well as as well of those of a social, cultural, and civic nature. and to exclude uses Not compatible. with such activities. Compatible here is a is a key word. I looked it up in the dictionary this morning, it says capable of existing together in harmony. Designed to work. another

2:09:59device or system without modification. In effect this conditional use is a modification of the zoning. So I think that's important to take into consideration. Um the applicant, uh they're calling it uh towing service and storage of vehicles. But it's a towing operations center and impound yard. Typically this is a predatory business. They go after cars that are parked illegally. Typically in that situation you

2:10:29have vehicle owners that are very irate that their car is getting Removed. And then they pile up in front of the wait till the next morning to pick up their car, angry waiting there, and a lot of times the the Sheriff's Department has to be called in that situation. This is a very intense use that's not compatible with the Swan Lake subdivision that I lived in right behind there. Swan Lake is comprised of fifty-four home sites. There are Um young

2:10:59families with young children that are playing in the backyard. Right behind this property, 85 feet away from this buffer, so less than 85 feet from the property line. There are people pla little kids playing in the yard and you're gonna ha and th they're proposing putting an impound center, impound yard, right behind these people's fence.

2:11:20Can you see an aerial photograph where we can get an idea where he lives?

2:11:25So this is a extremely intense hue. So The compatibility is my primary concern. and it's an increase of noise and commotion. It's a twenty four hours a day service. So while they're there from eight to five or eight to six, whatever the gentleman just mentioned, They're towing in cars. And I think that's a very conservative estimate at five cars a day. I I fully expect it to be more than that. It's a very lucrative business. They tow cars all the time. So

2:11:56people show up, they have to call the sheriff's department because they're waiting there. It's creating loitering, create potential problems along a very congested roadway at 7 o'clock in the morning. There's no signal in the vicinity of there. So I create I think it creates problems with transportation as well. Um but the primary primary concerns are the noise, the commotion. Safety issues and the fact that there are children nearby is just not a compatible use. Um And then the other

2:12:27issue is appearance. I went to this company's website. What I saw on that website is deplorable. This is a junkyard is basically what it is. And You know, what's happening along 41, it's it's an area that's in transition. Thank goodness. the properties along there are transitioning and buildings that are interim uses are getting torn down and something else is being built on them. 'Cause plenty of the properties that are there are eyesores, but it is in transition and

2:12:57there are Very nice, well-maintained properties that are along the road as well. So I I beg of you. So please take into consideration compatibility. And I ask you to not approve this proposed conditional use.

2:13:16We have the URL for the website.

2:13:20Thank you very much for coming in. Are there any questions of this person? Okay.

2:13:27Towing for Tampa dot com

2:13:40Hello gentlemen. My name is Thomas Larkins. We're trying to get this website

2:13:46up. I don't wanna I want you to get your full lot of time. They have a qua a pending question, let them finish that.

2:13:56I'm over here looking at Mr. Bule's shoulders. He's much

2:14:00up. Well, is there any way staff can just put it up there so everybody can see that? That's what I'm asking.

2:14:17Sparky.

2:14:27Can we ask the gentleman what particular page we should be looking at?

2:14:34Or not

2:14:34wanting to see, but could you I

2:14:36think

2:14:36I think

2:14:37that uh

2:14:37the better thing to do is

2:14:39Sir can you come up to the podium please?

2:14:45I did quite a bit of research on it actually. Um it may not be on this particular website, but if you go to Google Streets and Maps and you just go into it, it's in the Northeast University area of Tampa. There's a a a a property and and and you'll see it. It's not what you want in a residential neighborhood.

2:15:03If I could I have photos of the existing company if you guys would like to look at them.

2:15:08You'll get your chance here if there's a procedure we gotta follow. Wait till you get your turn up there.

2:15:16So if you can go on the to this to the street scene, if you click on that little map and right there. Um Should be a little guy. Um Trying to think here. Street view up there in the But you can see if you can get from the street you can see what I'm talking about.

2:15:43And you're saying this is the petitioner's property? That's not your property.

2:15:51What's the address?

2:15:54Eight one three towing.

2:15:58Um

2:15:59eleven twelve east 127.

2:16:02Okay.

2:16:29Right there. Click on that blue truck right there.

2:16:34Can you uh open up that photo there?

2:16:38And that's not what I want in front of my house. It's not what I think any of you want in front of your house. It's not what e I think any Pasco County wants in a residential area.

2:16:46So sir, can I ask you a question?

2:16:48Absolutely.

2:16:49Did you read condition staffs proposed condition four for this conditional use?

2:16:54I did.

2:16:55You did?

2:16:56The the

2:16:59Can you repeat for me what what it is, which which area

2:17:02you're talking about? It says all vehicle storage shall be adequately buffered from adjoining properties and the V shed of the adjacent street right away. The owner applicant shall provide a visual barrier in the form of an eight foot high opaque fence along the perimeter of the vehicle storage area. All stored vehicles should be located within the visual barrier area. And then there's another condition five that says vehicles stored on site should not be stacked or otherwise stored in a manner that would increase vehicle height to exceed the height of the visual barrier.

2:17:31I understand I

2:17:32understand that part. Uh the issue there is that the reason I asked the question is because I don't know if the site you're showing us is was developed under conditions such as four and five. Well Yeah

2:17:45Typically not. Yeah I think

2:17:46it's a lot of people.

2:17:46As you can see it's not. But typically zebras don't lose their sh stripes. And this is an example of what they do, how they operate, and I think it's a prime example of how this property would operate. Listen, they're not even putting in Pavement, they're putting a modular building. This is like rolling out your carpet and starting up business. This is not a permanent facility.

2:18:09Uh I understand, but I think if they built something similar to what we see on our screen, it would violate condition four and staff's proposed condition four and five. And

2:18:17then we would be in the situation where we would have to call into code enforcement to get that straightened out.

2:18:24If that happens they lose their conditional use. Right. Yeah. That's why it's a conditional use.

2:18:30Right. Now you raise some other concerns which I don't know the staff you know in terms of hours of operation and noise, which the conditions don't specifically address, but in terms of visual I guess I need an explanation from you about why If they comply with condition four and five that doesn't address your concern.

2:18:51Well, you're still going to have noise. You're still going to have

2:18:55I said I said that noise is a different I'm asking from a visual how it looks. Well

2:19:01from my house. it may not be visual directly from there. But if I'm driving to my house along forty one and I see that or if I go to try to sell my house And they see that, they will think that I'm going into the ghetto.

2:19:19Okay, but this says they have to protect it has to be a barrier not just from the adjoining properties, but also the adjacent street right away.

2:19:27The reason I know this is because I asked staff to add this condition. Because our board has raised concerns about the ability to see It's vehicle storage areas from the road right away. And I made a comment to staff that their buffer needs to include a buffer from the street right away as well, not just the adjoining properties.

2:19:47Well I understand a buffer, it's fifteen feet. Um but that doesn't protect the safety of the adjacent neighborhood. So visibility is one aspect of it, I understand. You cannot see it as clearly as an indirect visibility from my yard. If I had a two story house I'd be able to see it. I don't have a two-story house. But it is uh Uh a definitely a safety issue, a noise issue. People

2:20:18work. It's gonna be twenty four hours a day with that fence opening up. And

2:20:23there's angry people coming in there? My question was I wasn't asking about noise or hours of operation. I acknowledge that that may require additional conditions. My question since you're showing us a picture of what the other site looked like, my question is if they comply with conditions four and five, doesn't that prevent what you showed us on that picture? It

2:20:45depends on how high the fence is. Eight feet. No, it doesn't it wouldn't.

2:20:56What about a semi-tractor trailer?

2:20:59It says they can't be stacked or otherwise stored. Or otherwise stored that would increase the vehicle height to exceed the height of the visual barrier. So they the I'm reading five and Liam he told me if I'm reading it wrong. They can't have any vehicle that's over eight feet.

2:21:15Okay. That is correct. Is a semi tractor trailer over eight feet?

2:21:19If it was, it would violate condition five. How are they gonna get it in there? They wouldn't be able to. They w the way I'm reading condition five, they can't have a vehicle that's over eight feet in height.

2:21:31Okay, so basically we're gonna have to have cameras on the property to be able to see if they're violating the right-of-way.

2:21:38But in the

2:21:39middle of the night

2:21:39I won't be able to do that. Well, through the day they would. Well then they'll the code enforcement will accept photographs. If you have a photograph that shows that they got vehicles higher than the height of their fence Okay, I understand

2:21:53your point.

2:21:55Can can I ask you a quick question? There's a there's a structure or business or something just south of that piece of property they have. Yes. I see approximately five, six, seven boats out there?

2:22:05Yes. That is a marine uh retailer.

2:22:09And they don't cause the same kind of problem with noise when they

2:22:12work on

2:22:13engines

2:22:13or anything

2:22:14like that?

2:22:14No, that's a retail business.

2:22:15It's a retail business. They they don't do any Repair work there. No.

2:22:20Yes, they do repair work at CJ Marine, absolutely. Okay. But it's not a towing business.

2:22:28Topes in and out.

2:22:30Not with tow trucks.

2:22:34Not with violent people. Okay. That are angry because their car was towed.

2:22:39We can pay but on that point too.

2:22:41I'm

2:22:41sorry? I I've done asking questions.

2:22:46All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Um you want to give your uh name and address? Thomas Larkins.

2:22:51[address removed]. And you've been sworn. Um I'm sorry. You've been sworn? I have been. Yeah. Um if I could supply the motion to accept.

2:23:03These are some samples of the current business that is wanting to move into this location.

2:23:10We have a motion to receive and file. Second. Second. Yeah, seconded. Okay, all in favor? Aye.

2:23:17The only other point I would like to make is that according to the Laker Newspaper One of the pet projects that the Pasco County Commission has been on this past year is eliminating used car lots.

2:23:35that pop up due to the appearance and due to their business that it they do. And as you look at these pictures, that's exactly what this looks like.

2:23:51Yeah, I don't I don't know that I find that relevant because of the conditions. That have been placed on the property.

2:23:59It's also required to get site plan approval to be a car lot, so that would put 'em also in violation of the land development program. It's all in code.

2:24:09If you look at those pictures, that's what's coming.

2:24:12Not not based on the conditions that that are required.

2:24:20Right. I see no evidence that they impose conditions similar to what our staff is proposing for this site. I mean there's no opaque fence. All the cars are clearly visible from the adjacent property and probably the road right away.

2:24:36There's effectively no bufferings and your Mr. Moody's probably correct. It doesn't even look like it went through any kind of site plan for a bit. So

2:24:45I'm not sure if this is a legitimate comparison site to

2:24:50to what's before the Planning Commission today.

2:24:56That's how they do business now.

2:24:59Yeah.

2:25:00When you look at the location where they're gonna be p pulling cars in and out of, you're gonna be able to say them you're gonna be able to see them from the street.

2:25:07But the counter argument would be that staff saw how they were doing business in Hillsborough and decided to pose conditions to make sure they don't do business the same way here. I mean, you could argue, you could applaud staff for making sure that they didn't do that here. But saying that's a counter argument.

2:25:24So you would need more evidence that originally they were set up with conditions

2:25:28or not

2:25:28meeting.

2:25:38And all the equipment and

2:25:41Yeah, and I'm I'm sensitive to the other gentleman's statement about this area transitioning, he's absolutely correct. And you know, when I read these conditions, because I live generally in that area too. But I don't think that's a fair representation of the conditions that are that are being em enforced on the applicant in this in this particular case. So you're not gonna see cars from the road. It's all gonna be shielded. There is a buffer on the back, so I I don't know that that's a that's a fair comparison.

2:26:09So you what their application is they're going to be doing business differently than they do existing now in the location in Tampa?

2:26:17Based upon the conditions that are being required of staff, yes. If

2:26:22if they don't code enforcement will shut them down.

2:26:24Right.

2:26:24So they'll

2:26:25revoke the conditional. They'll use or yeah. They'll lose it.

2:26:30Not here to badger or argue with you. Just presented the pictures. I don't speak for all fifty-five homeowners in Swan Lake. I s I can speak for a majority of them. They don't find this compatible or appropriate on 41 in front of their neighborhood.

2:26:49C can you help me out uh with looking at the picture up there? I I I indicated about the vote.

2:26:57You see the property line that would be back of their property and the homes on the east side of that? Yeah. That's a fifty-five home neighborhood.

2:27:06What about the business that just saw which one's yours? Boat Sales Store or Boat Repair business.

2:27:13They're concerned about the overhead lighting that will go with the the uh the lot. They're concerned about the noise. No

2:27:20no no but can you help me out please? Sure. There's you see the the the photo of the the Boat sale store. There's a piece of property just to the south of it or just down, down one more block. Can you tell me what that business is?

2:27:35Which one you're trying to start?

2:27:36It's a real very thin narrow strip in there. It's CNC Marine.

2:27:43That's a place that uh they they sell bait. They uh what? They sell uh fishing bait. Okay. They um sell the trailers for uh either small boats or watercraft.

2:27:55Okay, thank you. What about the large round building there? What what is that business?

2:28:01Which one?

2:28:05an office.

2:28:07Commercial office.

2:28:10Professional office, is that what

2:28:12I heard. Where's the entrance to the neighborhood?

2:28:15Further south?

2:28:24Are you familiar with Sig and Spice Daycare? Right there it is.

2:28:30So you have a daycare center right there on the corner, correct?

2:28:34Correct.

2:28:34And then you move in. Okay. So basically one, two, three, I see four or five businesses already basically along your line there, uh property line.

2:28:47And they are quiet businesses. They don't none of them are open past six o'clock during the evening. None of them are having cars dumped off at all hours of the night.

2:29:00I understand. Thank you.

2:29:02Thank you.

2:29:03Mm-hmm.

2:29:09Okay, so one more?

2:29:11sir. Okay. I need to be sorted, and then I get sported from

2:29:17I'm testimony here after you can do someone.

2:29:20Yes, ma'am. Okay, so your name and address? My name's Mike Ford. Um I live in the subdivision, uh Swan Lake. Um Address is [address removed]. Um I heard a couple comments that I want to applaud you for. Um first of all, that is CNC Marine with the boat the boats that you're talking about, and they do store boats, they do work on boats, and he's generally closed by five, six o'clock. He's open for bait on the weekend. This gentleman over here obviously lives

2:29:50and drives up and down 41. So in the future, I do want to encourage Yeah. Yes, it's a mess. We've been left behind. I've been around since nineteen ninety nine. We watched the east side develop, watched the west side develop. You guys are in the middle of all those decisions. I watched 41 Three lanes wide, I watch the railroad stay, I watched Sanders, which I used to teach at go down and rebuilt. I watched swampland become neighborhoods. Lake Patience, I watch an accident Once

2:30:21a day if not three times a day, and eventually this group is gonna have to put a traffic light there. There's no way. So some of the concerns that have been raised Um with the commentary. Yeah. There's too much traffic on that road. We can't support it. That flyover should have been here twenty years ago. All of Conerton, none of it should have been developed until the flyover fifty four and forty one. Is most of the towing probably in this business gonna be at midnight,

2:30:51one o'clock, two o'clock? Yes. The gravel road probably does make a little bit more noise than it should. It sounds like you guys have consciously done your due diligence and provided the eight-foot bushes, the staff, looks like there's a frontage. Of a fence, hopefully with some kind of if it's chain link, some kind of visual that will make it more aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Or some kind of stock chain. It cannot

2:31:16be chain link. It's actually prohibited by no wood

2:31:19or chain link. Okay. I did I read it quickly, but I saw that there was a fence there. So I think anybody can agree going up down 41 from 54 all the way to 52, and we have more development coming, it needs to be cleaned up. It needs a good kick in the butt. Okay? So as these 1920 hotels go down and they get remodeled, and as things go. Now, again, the word temporary came out today. So I don't know. He might be in business for a year, might be in business for five years. the

2:31:49land use may change or whatever, but all I can say to you is I encourage you to continue to Let's improve forty one. The middle of the county has been left behind. Forty one has been left behind and there are things being built. Conerton can't keep increasing, fifty two can't be increasing. You get I heard earlier in the meeting a ridge Ridge road extension, you guys all know the fifty-six. We need to do something about 41. Okay. The

2:32:20end of the day the issue in front of you right now, yes, I have a few neighbors here that are opposing this. I am Not excited about it, okay, but I do appreciate the preliminary work that you've done to try to make it a little better situation. And again, I don't want this gentleman to think, hey, we're completely opposed to his business, but I hopefully consciously he's hearing enough today to understand. Look, we can't hear tow trucks beeping in the middle of the night. at two o'clock in the morning, you know, as someone's

2:32:50getting repoed and then, you know, someone's getting angry and coming after, okay? Um So and the other comment I will say and I know I'm out of time is yes, I agree with you. It's pretty sad that the employer I used to work with, which is a school board, and public's being this number two That's not good. Okay. So we are a suitcase community to the jobs which are south, except for everybody in the last two years that's working from their underwear from home. School board's number one. That's what I'm saying. But

2:33:21publics is number two, so what does that tell you? The hospitals are probably number three.

2:33:29You already approved it.

2:33:32Let's move on. Yeah, all right. Um Is there anyone else that's here to speak? All right. Would the applicant like to uh respond?

2:33:46Well I do have a question for the applicant.

2:33:52So sir

2:33:53uh you were sworn.

2:33:55Yeah, you you were sworn earlier, right? No. Oh then you need to swear.

2:34:00You swear or presently to use publication.

2:34:04Okay, so we just need your name and address. Christopher Grow, Owner, eight Win Three Towing Service, two eight five zero seven Linden Hurst Drive, Wesley Chapel.

2:34:13Okay, so I just wanna make sure you understand the conditions the staff imposed on you in terms of the

2:34:22the visual barrier. You do understand that that the way this is worded, you cannot have any vehicle that exceeds eight feet in height.

2:34:29Yes.

2:34:30I

2:34:30understand.

2:34:31You understand you have to comply with that?

2:34:32Yes.

2:34:34Okay. Um and then my second question for you is

2:34:41Are you in any way willing to limit your hours of operation? Um because one of the concerns they're raising is

2:34:51the towing the vehicles were very late hours of the night. Is there is there any anything you can offer them in terms of hours of operation that you would agree to?

2:35:01Well, we're required to be open for the Florida statute from eight AM to six P. M. our office hours. We're a 24-hour business on an on-call basis. So what we do uh as far as private property towing, we go into communities and by contract and they ask us to remove vehicles that don't belong there. uh i.e. without a permit, parked in the fire lane, parked in the road. In Pasco County, the c county ordinance is not you can't park in the street. So that's a major reason

2:35:32why Pasco County needs our service. So we're trying to expand into Pasco for that reason. As far as limiting the hours, there are a few things that are put into place to limit people from coming after hours. There is a $50 after hours release fee that's a deterrent for people to come at nighttime and pick up their vehicles. time it deters people from being a very good thing. uh, angry and the moment it gives them time to cool down, come back in the morning and pick up the vehicle and it's still

2:36:02cheaper. So that's an after hours. deterrent fee that's in imposed in the ordinance and the Florida statute. Are

2:36:12you one of the towing operators of the contracts with this Sheriff's Department or not?

2:36:16From where?

2:36:17Like sometimes the sheriff contracts with particular towing companies to no tow vehicles that are illegally parked or crashed or whatever.

2:36:26That'll be a rotation operator where private property, just private. So

2:36:31you don't tow accidents, you only tow Like somebody's parked illegally on private

2:36:36property? Yes, we don't tell accidents unless we get a private call for an accident, which is rare. Usually that's taken care of by the police department on scene. With their rotation list. So you're saying that sometimes

2:36:48you're towing for prior property at three o'clock in the morning?

2:36:51Uh, they they contract us usually from uh ten PM till about five in the morning. when people start getting up, you know, kids go to school so they don't want us in there after that. But they contract us during those times. to look around for uh vehicles that are parked in the road. Or double parts. Who

2:37:11you say they, whose contract?

2:37:12Uh HOA communities, HOAs, they contract us. Uh apartment communities, they contract us. Private apartments.

2:37:19So you don't have any contracts with the county or law enforcement in

2:37:22the way? None.

2:37:26Yeah.

2:37:29Do you does your operation typically comply with the applicable noise ordinances of the jurisdiction?

2:37:37Oh yeah. All our trucks are they're idle speed. They have a idle speed um duro coding on the interior of the motors. They're very quiet. and uh our clamps ho hook onto the wheels of vehicles. They have a a a rubber and bromin in between both of them when they snap back, it's buffered, the noise is buffered. Instead of a a clink, two metal sheets hitting, it it's a rubber in the middle that stops it from, you know, clinking.

2:38:05So I guess my comment to the Planning Commission is or my thought is it's gonna be difficult to regulate hours of operation on this without basically destroying his business. Right. So I'm not sure that is worth discussing. But you could we do have standard conditions that require compliance with the decibel levels in our noise ordinance that aren't currently in these conditions that you could add. Um the advantage of putting them in the conditions, I know you might ask, well if it's in the noise ordinance, why bother?

2:38:35The advantage of putting them in the conditions is that if they violate the noise ordinance, it could be a basis to revoke the conditional use. of violating digestible levels and the noise organs. But that's up to the Planning Commission. I'm not saying you can't impose, but you have the authority to impose impose hours of operation. Well from what I'm hearing from the applicant, it may be difficult for him to operate his business with that restriction. But it's up to the Planning Commission.

2:39:02Can I ask one question? So y you mentioned that your hours of operation are eight to six, but there's a fifty dollar after hour recovery. So is it eight to six or you accommodate people that are coming in to get their cars after six o'clock?

2:39:17If they wanna pick up let's say let's say they pick their car was towed at twelve PM just before lunchtime. And they didn't find out 'cause they were out of town. So they you know, they wanna they come into town at seven thirty PM, they find out their car's not there, wherever they parked it, without a permit. They say, hey my car got towed, I need you to come I need you to come and release it for me. The first thing we ask is Are you the registered owner? We have access to the D M V system so we know if they're the registered owner or not. So we verify that before they come, so they don't just show

2:39:47up and then it's a complete waste of time. So we also have to advise them that there's a fifty dollar after hours fee to pick up after from anywhere after six PM to eight AM. So that usually deters them. To come in a daytime.

2:40:09Did answer that right.

2:40:10Yeah, I I g I guess where I'm going with is I mean can't can't you just say drivers are operation or eight eight to six as far as recovery goes. I mean not the actual processing of vehicles and and the like and towing, but I think that'll speak to the gentleman's concern about potential safety issues and and law enforcement involvement if there is a I rate customer or something like that, you know, if you're in the daytime it's it's you know there's

2:40:32a generally speaking, one out of a hundred people come at night. They usually just come at daytime.

2:40:41or after hours. And also I wanted to speak on real quick the two vehicles that were outside of the yard in Tampa, that's a public right of way all the way down Let's see about A city block. There's no fencing or buffering in between that. So the two vehicles that were there, they were actually the the neighboring business's vehicles. that park there 'cause they're they have limited parking. It's a mechanic shop. So they weren't our vehicles.

2:41:10Will you be able to unload all of the cars on your site.

2:41:17Yes.

2:41:18Without being in the road.

2:41:20Yes. Okay. We have uh I did they did the measuring for the stacking stacking rights, the road review. We have to be I believe it's within seventy five feet which accommodates our

2:41:34No, but I mean once you once you you get in. I have a repo yard that's near the entrance to my neighborhood and I don't have any problems with light or noise from their operation. What I have a problem with is they have to load and unload essentially on a residential street and Block traffic all the time. Come in there and there's a tow truck unloading.

2:41:58So I would point out that there's staff did impose the condition number two, which says there shall be no parking, stacking, loading, or unloading of vehicles on any public right-of-way.

2:42:09If we could see the site plan again, I I'm I think that back watt you actually has a glue enough. Which should keep it from having to back up as well.

2:42:20It is. If you see the conceptual plan you'll see that the the buffering is there for the being within the property. And then there's a gate and then we unload inside of that gate.

2:42:52Any other questions?

2:42:57Mm-hmm.

2:43:00I listened to all three plus four. And to be honest with you, there's a program on TV that I watched called Hotel Records or something like this. Once you get old enough and you retire, you start to watch a lot of weird stuff. But they have brought up some important issues and

2:43:21The current concern I have are two. One is To your benefit, is they already have a lot of businesses to the to their east.

2:43:32So that's uh a a positive for you in some ways in my opinion. The other issue I have is is uh code enforcement. I don't know how aggressive they will be and correct me if I'm wrong David, but you have to now when you call and drop the dime on a business, you have to leave your name, phone number and address or at least something like that now. It's no more a silent college.

2:43:59That's

2:43:59an accurate statement. The only

2:44:00exception would be code enforcement themselves are out there Really. And they see it. I guess the code enforcement officer is not subject to that. I mean if they happen to be driving by and see A violation. But if you're calling to complain, yes, you have to give your there's no such thing as anonymous complaints anymore. That's a state law, right? That's a state law. The county did not Do that.

2:44:29I I understand the concern, you know, when uh you have cars Виоручный стрит Бэт А. Uh my intention is to take all the precautions to make sure, you know, it is it looks like a r reputable business.

2:44:42I I think it's only fair to be courteous and respectful to the people.

2:44:50Homes are back there. Uh that's the concern I would have for those of you like those. So I didn't want it to look like it, like the other photos we saw. If it starts looking like that, they have a, I think in my opinion, a legitimate complaint. And that that part of 50 41, I'm sorry, 41 there, I think somebody called it 1920 Hotels. I think back then they were called corps. didn't have hotels or motels or motor homes, yes. Yeah, courts. So

2:45:21How often do you pick up a car and then nobody claims it?

2:45:29Hillsboro County, that's more prominent. Pasco County it's because of the Yeah, the not parking in the road and not having enough space it's not very prominent. I would say

2:45:41fifteen, ten percent of the time.

2:45:44When that happens, how long do you have to hold on to that car?

2:45:48Uh the car would have to stay in our possession. We have to send a lien letter within the five days and thirty days after that. So it's in total of thirty five days. Then what happens? Then we relocated to either another holding yard in Tampa. We have a lot in Tampa, Zephyrhills, holiday either one or the other ones. It's not a big lot, so we need our space. Either that or it'd go to the junkyard. And get rid of it.

2:46:13To make space.

2:46:17So I'm a Pas I'm a Pasco resident, so I understand, you know, neighborhoods looking nice. I live in Wesley Chapel, it's not much. There's a lot of traffic going on now. But I understand you want your neighborhood and your property values to stay high. I totally get that. I'm a private person. You know, I'm gonna Make sure it's clean, operable, no oil on the ground. But the you know, landscape buffering, what everybody would like to see.

2:46:45Well I'd be the first person to stop and take a picture if you're not in compliance. So it's like I drive that road

2:46:50I drive that

2:46:51road constantly. So

2:46:52it's it's on the owner I'll be there.

2:46:54So fair fair warning.

2:46:56Okay.

2:46:59Okay. Anything else you'd like to bring to us? Okay.

2:47:04Thanks.

2:47:06So just by way of example, there was another application on earlier in the agenda that I continued that had a condition that says something to effect of Noise emanating from the operation shall not exceed sixty-six DBA between the hours of seven a.m. and seven PM on weekdays. It should not exceed 55 DBA between the hour of the strip at 7 PM and 7 a.m. on weekdays and all hours on weekends. Such noise levels shall be measured at the closest adjacent residentially zoned property line. I'm the saying

2:47:36it has to be that exact wording, but that's that's a example of one of our standard conditions that's attempting to address noise. Right. Not saying you have to impose that, I'm just saying if that's if you were Liam, does that sound like what we would do?

2:47:52That sounds like our standard condition. We we can certainly add that without um an issue because that's already

2:48:00unless they vote to do that, but I'm just giving you a flavor of what we have imposed in the past to be able to know it.

2:48:07That is also required by our code of ordinance, but I as you stated that it would be able to be enforced. Um I would also like to add there is a condition here about code enforcement being able to um be allowed onto the property to perform routine inspections. So if there is a code enforcement issue, code enforcement is not restricted on enforcing this conditional use.

2:48:33Okay. Um well do I have a motion and a second and then we can have a discussion.

2:48:42I'll move to approve item P6. I'll second that.

2:48:47The motion and a second and now for the discussion.

2:48:50Yeah, I I guess just first uh this one's difficult because we've we've talked about you know we've heard from everybody about compatibility, about hours of operation. We've heard about screening. Um But we've also heard and and a lot of people have talked about how The forty one corridors area in transition. Um I guess what I'm struggling the most with is is I don't know that the development of this parcel, the way it's being proposed to be developed, is transitioned

2:49:20in the correct way. Um I know there's requirements for screening. Um, the way I read the conditions that they could put up an eight foot tall vinyl fence. You know, I've had several discussions with staff about vinyl fence versus chain link fence and screened and one has one opinion that one's ugly and I have another opinion that another one's ugly. I mean I drive past final fences all the time that A third of the slats are missing. To me that's ugly. Um so I Uh personally I

2:49:50I have a problem with with the screening aspect, um, with the compatibility with the hours of operation and and I I just am not sure that this is the correct user for the site if we're trying to Transition the forty one corridor and the development of the forty one corridor in the right direction. So

2:50:10Yeah, well I mean I'll just throw my two cents in. I I think basically my my feeling is is that if we're trying to improve our major corridors, I'm not sure this does anything to improve it. Um I think it's a important, you know, important operation. Uh a lot of people need the need the service. I'm just not sure it needs to be fronting on US 41 where we're driving through and I think

2:50:40one of the people brought up the fact that we're trying to clean it up and bring in, you know, newer, more viable, more customer friendly operations and I'm not sure the the these residents don't have a a valid argument. I I have to look at it if I live there what I wanted there on the other side of the wall. I have to say no, I wouldn't. And uh So that doesn't mean it's not proper. I'm just it's just the way I feel. And

2:51:11uh I think that we've got The staff has done a great job of doing what they can do to protect the protect the neighborhood. But I still think, you know, when you drive by and you see a towing operation next to a A nice development, I think it tends to bring down the value of that development. So You know, I would support this in most locations, but I

2:51:41won't support it on in that location. So

2:51:49Anybody else have comments?

2:51:50So I forgot what the current motion was. The motion was

2:51:53to approve.

2:51:54Okay. As

2:51:54is. As is.

2:51:56Okay.

2:51:58Yeah I've got a second. Any further discussion?

2:52:03Okay, all in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Like sign?

2:52:09Nay.

2:52:10Nay. All right. Motion carries. You vote, Peter. I did.

2:52:16Can we just do a roll call just to make sure we get the vote count correct? Good idea.

2:52:21Jamie Gerardi?

2:52:23Nay.

2:52:24Donald Anderson?

2:52:25Yes.

2:52:27Christopher Bull.

2:52:28I

2:52:29Peter Hansel? Yes. Changer? Hi. Chris Williams?

2:52:34I did not vote. I don't think I vote on this one.

2:52:38So unless it was a tie. Right. Nay.

2:52:53So just for the audience's benefit, this on this matter the Planning Commission is a recommending body. The final decision will be made by the Board of County Commissioners. So please make sure you attend the appropriate Board of County Commissioners meeting. Hopefully they heard me. Hopefully they listened.

2:53:10Did you fellas hear hear us excuse me hear about the meeting?

2:53:13Wait. Wait. Guys. Wait. Gentlemen.

2:53:16Gentlemen, we were trying to tell you something.

2:53:19I'm trying to help you. I just said make sure that you attend the the Board of County Commissioners meeting because this is not the final decision.

2:53:29Okay. Liam, what is the date of the October sixth?

2:53:34Yes, that is correct, October sixth. It is going to the nine twenty as a continuance, but it is going to October sixth. Okay. Okay.

2:53:43Thank

2:53:43you.