Chairman Saddleburg TMA and homeless

1:32:51Okay. All right. Um I'll go to my home show. I've I've got one picture, I think. That's not it. So I was over to Saddleburg too with uh Commissioner Starkey and and I wanna tell you What they did in that uh bar area was a trim dramatic improvement. They freshened it up. They have big screen TV, separate location. It's welcoming when you get in there and um the food choices were awesome as well. That's Doug McLean who's now the Director of Promotion, so I got a picture with Doug, but it was a

1:33:21it was a great event. That's all I've got for pictures. Um I do want to talk quickly about the T MA as well, that meeting. Um What I learned as well was with the airport, let's talk specifically, is they have a meet a representative from the city and a representative from Hillsborough County. So it's pretty strongly represented from electeds. Um and I brought up the conversation at multiple MPOs how we should take a look at trying to possibly use

1:33:52that land at Ridge Road on the turnpike to make it a park and ride. asked Tony to try to try to set a meeting up. At one point Hart was like on the program as well. They were listed there as far as like this is someone should be involved with it. And I never got a meeting. And I uh

1:34:10uh concern is if you're not going to respond to me as an outside commissioner from a different county Um You know, what kind of response do I need for someone who's gonna be on that board? So They said they're gonna meet with us to talk about it. I'm excited about that. It could be a great benefit for them. And I even said it could even connect to the port. So hopefully we got a voice now that's gonna be heard as opposed to just being let go. But I think they'll listen to us better now, which I think will be helpful. Um

1:34:39Can I can I answer Yes go that um and I texted these to you but um well I have one copy here. Take a look at these percentages. One of the suggestions that we brought up and it was first voiced by um I think sh was it Saint Petersburg Councilwoman was that they consider if they're truly regional Then Pinellas and Pasco County maybe should be represented on their board. And so one of the thoughts

1:35:09was that maybe we rotate one on the port, one on the board. Um, you know, we have to talk to our legisl legislators about that because it their makeup is set by Tallahassee. Um, but when they come up here to talk to us that's something that I think we should bring up because if it's They're not funded by the city or the or the county. So Um If they're truly regional, well their representation is not regional. Unless

1:35:40one of the governor appointments is from Pasco or Penellus. But right now all three of their representatives are from Hillsborough County, on both of them that are governor appointed.

1:35:54So again, dialogue will go on, but um It was a good discussion. It was. It was. Um all right. As far as um we had a person from uh Hudson speaking today. She lives a little bit south of Sea Ranch in the uh Puffin Lane area with the with Del Mar right below Sea Ranch. And she talked about all the uh um RVs that are parked in areas that may not. And when we set that up Um JP and his team went out there and go and they went, I think, with code and they checked

1:36:24to make sure that every RV that was out there. was from a storm damage home which most of them were, but they also made sure that every one of them was hooked up to a system to collect their sewage. So I think we need to go back and do the follow up to that. And then as we go there, I think we should put some type of sticker or something on there that shows a name and a date as far as when it was looked at, when it was inspected, so people in the neighborhood will know that, okay, this is a legitimate thing, as opposed to others that

1:36:54it may have just dropped one off, brought one in there, et cetera. So I think that will be a a very helpful thing to do in the area. So I I'm comfortable with a sweep in that. I will say this, as far as I can I mean we had a little quick dialogue about sweeps themselves, I wanna be, and I'm I'm sure you guys may feel the same way, but I wanna hear. If if a commissioner wants to see a sweep or code wants to do a sweep in a commissioner's district, You should get the level of respect, I think, to get a presentation about what we want to do and why we want to go do it. Not just to go

1:37:25out there on their own to just go make it happen. I've got other issues that I've been talking about with homeless going up and down. Um, you know, fire up on sea pines. Don't know if it's a camp. But it was a camp that we talked about that is right in that local area. Fire with we had over in Leisure Beach. Camp. Homeless camp that was out in that area a few years back cost us 32 grand. I don't know what this last one cost us. But we continually have that problem. We can't rely on outside people to make it happen, but I think It is still the biggest thing I've got. I mean the other day

1:37:55I I I'm driving down. There's a person sleeping right in front of Walmart on the sidewalk. Um I see 'em continually. They've gone from even just Beacon Woods and and the Walmart. They run on C V S and Hudson. continually out there sitting in the parking lot with the red sign going in there. It's not good for the businesses that are there either. They deserve some help. Because if you got people that are out there that'd be in hassled by coming in. You're not gonna want to go there. If you've got people out there charging their phones on, you know, some businesses thing, it's gonna hurt that business. We've

1:38:25got to take care of our businesses too and not let this stuff go on. I saw one in front I see one continually in front of Wawa's, right on Little Rotorship Coming Down, sitting right out front. So this is something in my district, the biggest thing I've got is these homeless people that are out disrupting in causing s causing different issues. They're violating the law, which we've had our attorney show us is seven different violations. The lady defecating out there? Shouldn't be going on, but they go and go. The post office was cleared out very well, but There's still much more

1:38:55to be done. So as far as I'm gonna say with code enforcement and and getting in things done I wanna see what the focus of what what the people are being bothered by, rather than just having them just kinda decide to go do different things. It takes a lot of resources to do a sweep. It better be coordinated, better be set up, but If I've got only so much thing things that are gonna get done, I'm gonna tell you my my people are most concerned with the homeless population, destruction, trash, et cetera, that's being caused. I mean literally I'm doing a great the great American cleanup. The presentation was done by

1:39:26down at Old Dixie Highway in Old Dixie and while I'm there The lady who's giving the presentation, who I've known from Habitat from many from years ago, she says, so don't go by across from the the CVS store up on Hudson Avenue. There's a big homeless population, it's a dangerous still, don't go up there. Now, we if we know they're there, and everybody knows that they're we need to try to take care of that stuff.

1:39:49You hear find a storage here?

1:39:50Commissioner Weightman.

1:39:52So in the last week coming off cutoff, going south on forty one, we're gonna go on fifty f fifty four and forty one. Homeless guy had a hammock. set up and tied between two power poles. You seen it? Oh yeah, I saw Just chilling living his greatest life suntan

1:40:17And it was like the perfect definition of what we have going on. Um had his things, set up hammock, right on right of way, how many thousands of cars go through 54 and 41, and people are seeing that. It's right there in front of Tibbetts. It It just it was a picture that defined the overall problem. And I thought was pretty bold. Um But that was the first. That was a f the first seeing

1:40:47a uh a Hammock tied up between two power poles and he just sunglasses on. Just hanging out? Okay, so we're going to have to do that. Someone has we sent we we made a call and then of course they couldn't find him so he obviously moved on.

1:41:05continue. And and it's gonna take as as the person said, nine to five doesn't cut it. Because guess when they're gonna go work. And especially summertime's coming now. They're gonna be out from five to eight or five to dusk. Continually. I know we gotta protect them, but Those are the issues. The weekends? It's gonna keep on going on as well. So somehow, and I've talked about this years ago, when we're bringing the new hires in, we've got to kinda say, you may have to work some weekends if we're gonna have some situations to go forward. And I don't I don't know if we're doing that, but I think

1:41:35it's something that needs to be brought and looked at and I wanted to bring it out here.

1:41:39No, that's fine. I mean the so the challenge you have is we have a body of ordinances that require enforcement and and of course limited resources with which with which to do that. I know typically when we do sweeps, uh oftentimes they are at requests of community members. folks that are in there that are drawing complaints as well. And so this is this is a balancing act because I can't necessarily discriminate as to how and where we enforce your ordinances. I get homelessness is a problem and I know you

1:42:09know we've tackled that. You know Kathy's team and and code is intimately involved in that and so we're gonna we're gonna continue to press on that. And these these other these other code violations are they're they're they're problems, but we do take we do take uh input from the community as well. Um so it it it can be challenging. Uh so I uh David and I are actually gonna meet and talk a little bit more about this topic. Um but you know we we it's

1:42:40um it's very difficult to

1:42:45be the enforcement arm but but having to, you know, um, you know, enforce here or enforce there, we i it's it's tough for code to really figure that out. And so um You know, I get priorities and I think that that's important. We should have priorities because we have limited resources. And so how you use those resources matters as well. Um so I wanna try to balance that with the board, but but at the same time recognize that Well we we can't be Discriminatory against that as well.

1:43:12I mean there's If someone's got complaints, they file 'em file 'em, et cetera. They get they can get looked at, right? Every single one of them can be.

1:43:21for

1:43:21it to go out into a neighborhood. Okay. Again, that takes a lot of time. And the the warning you get them back, etcetera That takes a lot of time to coordinate, and I'm telling you just the day-to-day stuff I can't get done. Never mind these special projects that want to get done. And I was as we're elected from the people.

1:43:42continually and tell you when the fires at Leisure Beach are going on, it's a big problem. When you have all the homeless people in front of their businesses because now people don't want to go in because of that and it happens in front of a lot of other businesses I haven't even mentioned yet, but Those out there are affecting everything. So for code to go out and decide what they want to go do, when they want to go do it, without even consulting to say, hey, we're going to go do this, there's something wrong. Who's running the operation? It should be the Board of County Commissioners. And I'm telling you as a commissioner who's got a district and I've asked for this up

1:44:12and down. Give me a code portion for up and down nineteen, take it to the little road, and let me have one guy. Just go deal with this one issue. And I can't get that done because they have segmented stuff. It's not right, it's not what the people want. So I'm saying as an elected official As someone who knows what the problem is with the people, my priority should not be sweeps that they want to go do here and there. Like today was a legitimate one, and I back that. That needs to get done. That's water quality, it's safety, it's abusing the code. But if someone's not gonna put a thing, a complaint

1:44:42in to go to a specific property, that's what it takes. The state said that. The state said if we're gonna put a complaint, someone's gonna put a complaint in, They gotta register themselves to go do it. Now do I think that's right? No. But if I'm gonna go deal with my bigger issue issues, it's people sleeping on the sidewalk Defecating on a sidewalk in the neighborhood, causing that grief. That's a bigger problem to me than doing a sweep in a neighborhood because somebody wants to go to a sweep.

1:45:07Chair Chair Fami. Um Hear you 100%. I think I think the homelessness no the the homelessness piece is a challenge here in in Pasco County and and I think that working with Kathy and her team, you know, we're continuing to to work on partnerships and those types of things to be able to address that and and certainly we have a lot of work to do there. In in regards to the sweep itself, we did get requests from the community members themselves. And certainly we

1:45:37can brief the commissioners whenever we have plans for those sweeps within the communities just to get a better understanding of you know where it's originating from and what the plan is to do those sweeps.

1:45:51And again, the state said if you want to put a complaint in? Put the complaint in. What these people don't want to do is put a complaint in to put the name out there. And I respect that. But let them go work with the state that we can do these things where they can just go out there. That's where the law needs to change, not to go Without talking to a commissioner what's going on in the district. Because I'm gonna tell you, I get it all the time where the biggest problems are. So just 'cause you got a loud person they may want to talk to you about they want to sweep out there? It's not the way it should work.

1:46:22I think we have to be careful though on allowing Commissioner We to make the call. The the threat is is you know staff will come in and let you know we're gonna do a sweep and then feel the pressure to call off a sweep. We we need to be careful there with that.

1:46:35That's why we discussed it ahead of time. Let's go find out what's a priority in the community. And I'm gonna tell you right now, let's go have that conversation. Maybe set another meeting up and let's go see where the code enforcement officers are and let's go look at where the biggest problems I face are, because they're not getting handled. In code enforcement violations are code enforcement violations. And I can tell you where they are and just give us a lift of all these violations for all these camps. They are true violations just like the other ones.

1:47:01So I think I I do think that there is probably room in in you know if I look at the county as a giant house, I guess if you will, each district is a room of that house. We've got areas, we've got things that are problems in in various districts, but we've also got corridors and things that are commonalities. Is there is there room to have discussion uh with the board on yeah again it's becomes areas of focus. You know, got it. We we have homelessness in in in some of the areas in your district, Commissioner. Um, but there's also neighborhoods

1:47:31and maybe there's other areas that we that we should look at with code. And and you know, Denise, David, I I don't know if if there's room to have discussion on that, because again, the the the the the major issue that we have with code. code is trying to we we can't just be discriminating on how we enforce. And that's that is that's a problem. It it can be a problem. That can get us into legal trouble too because now we're picking and choosing. Um and we have to be careful about that.

1:47:59Commissioner Starkey.

1:48:00Um I'd I'd would love for the code enforcement head to come up. Um but it's my understanding that when I don't want to speak for you and how you uh operate, but it's my understanding that when we're doing a sweep it's because there's been a lot of calls in a certain area and that's what generates Um a sweep, which is a much more efficient use of our code enforcement time, because if they when they get called to one specific instance

1:48:32and then there's they can only look at a twenty f I think uh 360 radius of what they're touching to see if they see any other violations. So sweeps, they don't do them very often. I wish I wish they do more often, but I believe it's a very efficient use of the code enforcement time. I have worked very hard to clean up holiday in that area. We don't have as much homeless as we used to. Um I think we still

1:49:02have code violations but uh going on, but we have certainly cleaned up the area and I am very grateful to Code for going in there and working with me and Helping keep up people's property values and people don't want to live next door to someone who has uh moved trailers onto their property and opened up businesses illegally like happening up in some other districts or homes that weren't, you know, they built all kinds of stuff on their property that's not legal, but there's no

1:49:32code enforcement looking at it. I showed you the picture of someone who put a sign up next to Hudson High School that said, park your boats and RVs and all your stuff here in a residential community. So I think we I think they do a great job. I wish that the code enforcements were and complaints were anonymous. Um but I think it's a good use of time to do this week, so

1:49:57Uh Denise Anderson, Director of Co-Compliance. So when it comes to conducting sweeps, there are really two ways in which sweeps come onto our radar. One is officer-driven, they'll identify an area where they believe there is criteria that we evaluate that is really kind of in need of a sweep for a defined geographic area. And so an officer-initiated request, and then of course from the public. And so, regardless of how that request comes to us, we go out and evaluate the area. We identify the geography

1:50:28in which we believe a code sweep is warranted. We implemented new protocols last year. We're working with media relations and with public works. So we go out and get a variable message board or two, whatever we can get our hands on, and attempt to place those in a public area. Yeah. 10 days in advance or typically over the period of two weekends where the neighborhood has an opportunity to look around themselves and identify, self-identify issues that may be addressed in a code suite. We

1:50:58find that to be very effective, notifying them in advance that all code-identified issues will be addressed during the sweep when we give them the date on which that sweep will occur. Media Relations also sends out via social media targeted usually through next door to that neighborhood to let them know as well that the week will be coming through. And we do notify the commission office prior to that. Suite being conducted. And so those we have done those for the last year. That has been our protocol.

1:51:29There have been some limited exceptions where we haven't used the variable message board because we've been able it's a smaller area and we've gone out and door to door notified the neighborhood that we'll be coming through on a specific date. But typically there's two forms of communication that we have with the community that we'll be coming through.

1:51:49That's And I'll say, you know, years ago we had the head of code enforcement, east and west representatives. I get much better service talking to those people. They would go with me. We'd go talk to neighbors, et cetera. They would tell me what they wanted to do, we'd come up with ideas to s to solve things. When we put the panhandling sing things in first in place, we worked with it together. And I'm telling you now I continually say the same things over and over again. I've sent pictures, I've send details, and my people tell

1:52:19me. They're elected officials, that they're not happy with the homeless situation. They're not happy to have a big camp that caused a fire a couple of years ago that's still there. They're not happy with the one that we saw up in Hudson by Sea Pines. Don't know if that was caused by them, but a homeless camp that's right there causes another fire. I don't need to have my people in jeopardy. They don't need to be in in Worry about what's gonna go on in their area. Uh we cleaned up Leisure Beach, did a great job down there. What? Literally those spots are out there, they're known, and they haven't been acted on. And I'm gonna tell

1:52:49you continually Yeah. Keep everybody nine to five? But If you're not even taking care of what's going on during nine to five, it's gonna get worse and worse and it keeps on getting that way. And literally I should not have to see people in my district, defecating out there, no should the people. They should be laying on the side of the streets. It's happening all the time, up and down nineteen. And I'm gonna say the way you have the district set up, I'd be happy to sit down with you guys again. To go look at what we can do to change what's going on, because the representation my people tell

1:53:19me when I go talk to them is they're not getting the service they want. So you may think you're doing a good job with all your notification, etcetera. I'm telling you my people aren't happy.

1:53:30That was the sweeps as

1:53:30a piece. But on the homeless piece, let me Yeah, I I think on on the homeless piece, Commissioner Oakley issue, right? We've We've discussed panhandling, it'll happen at seven PM or during rush hour traffic. And and we'll sit down and try to figure out what the resource loading needs to be, if that's something that we we need to do in conjunction with Kathy's team to address this. Because you're right. I I I I see it on the weekends even in my own neighborhood. Um, you know, so things the problem is is is spurring out. And so So

1:54:01that that could be a resource-dependent issue, in which case we'll we'll come back to the board and talk to about it. And if it's a priority, it's part of our strategic plan. So I'm I'm good with having those discussions to put more resources into that if those extended hours are required. I mean Denise, anything to add?

1:54:20I would add but as it relates to panhandling specifically, we do not have the Legal authority to detain an individual or a driver. And so the responsibility for panhandling really does fall on our law enforcement agencies, not our code enforcement agencies, and we provide support to those agencies. agencies. Similarly, when it re um as it relates to homeless encampments, we cannot just enter property without a trespass agreement. There are certain limited circumstances with vacant, unimproved property where we may be able to enter. But

1:54:50those are very, very limited. And so that requires and we do coordinate with the sheriff's office to gain entry if a trespass agreement is on site. Again, we cannot enter that property without the escort of sheriff's death. So it is a very complex issue. It's one I'm very, very familiar with because of 12 years' experience navigating that with the city of Clearwater. But the authority does not lie within code compliance. We are we enforce on

1:55:20the land development code and homelessness, homeless encampments. As it relates to the land development code, it's strictly trash and junk and permitted use. violations. And so I cannot go on and remove um Assistant County Administrator Kathy Pearson described how we're utilizing our homeless initiative under James Walters to coordinate with partner agencies and we're a part of that. And so I think as that that outreach effort grows with

1:55:50partner agencies and fun of course funding is always a challenge. Those efforts will expand and grow and be more successful. And we're working with James on a campaign for panhandling to really encourage people to invest. To not give that money out the window, but rather give it to an organization that will take those direct funds, not take an administrative fee from that, I believe is the plan, and to invest that with organizations that are providing direct services. So panhandling

1:56:21for the driver on this on the street or those that are faced with those that um are being solicited. They either give out of fear or out of a sense of dopamine hit they're doing something good. We'd like to take that And redirect those funds to organizations that actually can do good. Take the incentive away, if you will, for those that are pan-handling because they won't be successful. That's the the goal. And so James and I are working with Media Relations and Communications to develop that program. And the fiduciary

1:56:51agent is United Way that will be handling it. I'm sure James will brief you further at an appropriate time.

1:56:58Um we should wait. Gotta set up source. Yeah.

1:57:04Mr. Walters is still a duly sworn licensed law enforcement officer, correct? Because it doesn't carry normal law enforcement tools on his hip.

1:57:20He has the ability to do more than a code enforcement officer, correct?

1:57:32I mean I believe he's still sworn, I believe the sheriff does hold his his Ellie cert. If I'm not mistaken.

1:57:40Yeah. I understand.

1:57:42We have the tools. We can develop the tools. We put the tools to work when it's necessary. And uh hearing some of the graphic details from a customer today and what Commissioner Mariano deals with. I mean we've seen similar things on uh State Road fifty two, personal on all fours at front of 4G Ranch. All fours, pants down, defecating, middle of the day. On fifty two. Brian Holmes and I on our way west. It's

1:58:13everywhere. Code enforcement can't handle it. There's ability to handle it. We have someone on staff who can, if given the opportunity, to enforce This. public health hazard. which is what it is, and a safety hazard to the taxpaying public. that are working their butts off in this tough economy, in this expensive environment that we're in to make a life here, and we have nerdy wells coming in destroying it, wasting the sheriff's

1:58:43office time, wasting code enforcement's time who can't do anything, as co enforcement spinning their tail, it's time to double down.

1:58:53Time to double down. And play hardball with this and eradicate it. There's no right answer. It's tough. You're gonna have people who are upset on each side of the pendulum. But our obligations to the taxpayer. And to provide for them and give them a good life. I say we trioz a situation with the folks who are doing these things, triage them, cleaning up. Give 'em a shower, ship 'em to their next akin. It's a familiar problem. It's not our taxpayers' problem. The long-term problem needs to go to their

1:59:23family, and it's not the obligation, the burden of this board, this board's budget, and the taxpayer who funds this budget every single day to take care of these people. It's a waste of time starting fires on with the fire department. I can tell you When I worked in the garbage business we did dozens and dozens and dozens of these cleanups and donated tens of thousands of dollars for cleanups. We'd put dumpsters on site for these folks to use. They didn't use 'em. Right next

1:59:53to them in their camp. What they would do, they would set the dumpsters on fire, or they would float them out into the Gulf because they're so hot. Sorry, Adam Clerk. And then the company who donated that asset has to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a barge to go get it back. Get their equipment back trying to help the problem. These people don't want help. Government can't be superhero, can't be all things to all people. We do the best we can Round them up, clean them up. And figure out and put them on their way.

2:00:24Because it's just going to be a distraction and a strain on the resources. And resources are limited. Our Sheriff's Office's resource, our code enforcement officers resources, this board's resources. So, Chairman, I agree with you. Let's lay the hammer down and Really address the problem, rip the band-aid off, quit playing patty cake with it, and just be bold. Just be bold and start cleaning up. That's the expectation of every citizen across this county. From

2:00:54the swamp to the coast. It's the same sentiment. The homeless problem east of 41 is greater than it's ever been. Commissioner Oakley and I are lifetime generational residents of East Pasco County, and we've never seen the level of homelessness that we have. In the city of Dade City when we go to work, they're getting pennies out of the fountain, they're defecating around the bushes of the historic courthouse. It's a beautiful place for the public to come. They charge their phones. There's enabling going on all over when there's internet and whatnot

2:01:24in the parks. However they're getting their phones and they're charging their They're things and they're laying on park benches. It's horrible. It hurts our businesses. It it discourages patrons from coming in to buying product from people. I've no love for this cohort. Their intentions aren't good. The enabling needs to stop. So I'm done. Thanks.

2:01:47Mr.

2:01:48Starkey.

2:01:48Um I am curious if the homeless camp By Green Key is gone because we have had people come in here many times talk about that one. And We had that homeless camp on US nineteen in my district right there on US 19 entering Pasco County. Tens of thousands of people passing it every day. And Our staff couldn't do anything because the garbage only went up to the sidewalk and the tents were on private

2:02:18property. And we had to subpoena. someone in Texas before we could go on there and evict 'em and clean 'em up. But It took us almost a year to clean up that homeless camp that didn't have there was no trees hiding these people. They were right there living there. Um but we did get it cleaned up and we we le we we forced that gentleman to sell. and someone else bought it and there's a fence around that property now we don't have that homeless problem there anymore. So

2:02:49I wanna know if that one that's on private property in his district is gone and can we use the same tools that we used to get rid of it in my district there.

2:03:00Still there.

2:03:01That's not okay. That's not okay. What's going on there? So

2:03:05Kathy Pearson, Assistant County Administrator of Public Services, I am proud to say that James Walters partnered with um Chief Gwyn and the Fire. These have made two visits in the last four or five days out to Green Key. Um there were no homeless, but there were signs of it. So two trips already. Um this is with part

2:03:28I I believe this was our the property that I'm I'm not positive. This was the property that Chief Gwen had gotten a whole bunch of maybe Joanne, do you know the proper the new the new um

2:03:40They got new state equipment and they were going to test it up.

2:03:45he has to give up his property. He can't have a homeless camp. Can't we go after the landowner?

2:03:51It's a I

2:03:52that would be

2:03:53it's uh it's uh the answer is complicated. If they have I mean if

2:03:57we need to change the law if we can't go after the homeowner.

2:03:59Pick

2:03:59it up. Just this week. I know but if it happens over and over again, it's a lot of resources that we're putting out that we shouldn't have to.

2:04:08They set up a station there.

2:04:14Sorry, Kat.

2:04:16Sorry

2:04:18Colleen Weaver, I'm with Commissioner Jack Mariano's office. Um they did clear that out. Actually we sent I sent pictures to Gina yesterday. and they're setting up a station there and they will be there on a w uh all week. for the next several weeks just to ensure that green key. And the reason I know is Wanda Chasnoff from that neighborhood that backs up onto that property called and let me know. So we it it's the first time she was thrilled. I

2:04:48it encouraged her to come this morning. To uh tell the board thank you for the hard work on that green key property, but that is private property.

2:04:57Who paid for this cleanup?

2:04:59Uh that I do not know.

2:05:01If this is if this is what I believe it is, Commissioner, this is a training exercise by our special um um Fire rescue. We received a equipment an equipment grant from the state uh for heavy rescue and uh our public works team is training our fire rescue staff on on the use and and management of that.

2:05:22So you got permission from the landowner to do that? Yes,

2:05:24uh presumably.

2:05:25Okay, but I I think that landowner, what do you guys think, needs to be on the on the hook if someone moves back on his property, he either has to fence it. Or sell it. Sell it to us, give it to or we take it, you know, eventually. I think that's what we were doing with the property of nineteen. We were taking that gentleman to court.

2:05:42Uh I'll work with Jason and Brantford 'cause we looked at this before about using for a stormwater area, 'cause you know that area floods like crazy. Uh they're willing to sell it. Uh we didn't want to pay the money, but I'll I'll bring that back up and I'll bring Brantford maybe let's bring an agenda item back up to the board with a full description and uh see what the board wants to do.

2:06:01But he can get fined per day for running a homeless camp on his property. No, he can't

2:06:07get fined for running a homeless camp. Okay.

2:06:16Forbidden.

2:06:17But it's a violation of your land development code. It's not your c your code does not make homelessness illegal.

2:06:27Okay, but the result is that They have to do something. So they

2:06:32they have been working with us to go through this. As a matter of fact, they gave us I think everything we need for paperwork. They gave us permission to go in there and clear it out so that the homeless can't hide in the woods. This is gonna clear it all out so all that brush Brazilian peppers go away. All the trash gets cleaned up and our team is getting experience which they need for the machine they're they're breaking down. This could this could be replicated elsewhere as well and I got another place for 'em too. But literally if you look at the trash that's on the ground, like the lower scene right there, try to imagine let's say s now a hurricane comes in, storm

2:07:02comes in. Where's that all all that plastic gonna go? So this type of thing it's why I'm saying I've got so many of these things in my district to get 'em done to get done. So now th now that we know that Mr. Walters is a sworn loan officer The reason of we can't do it because we have to coordinate with the sheriff does not bunk. Now we have

2:07:22necessarily sure that that's the right-of-way. Well if it is

2:07:24true,

2:07:25we now have something to work with. Yeah we'll report back on that on that status and how that can be leveraged. I appreciate it.

2:07:33All right. Anything else with the go to the board? All right. Thank you about WordJarns.

2:07:53A few more ago, a few more months.